/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

What do you do if you can't find a pose you're looking for, nor do you have anyone to pose for you? I don't have a camera, or the physique for the pose I want, nor am I talented enough to draw it from my imagination.

I need a shirtless, muscular dude with his arms tied above his head. Only pics I can find of people with their arms tied up like that are women, and I don't know how to translate the chest area well enough.

>>2947486
just find a shirtless dude with arms raised
also i'm pretty /fit/ but i wont pose for you you dirty fucking fujo

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>>2947487
I haven't had much luck with finding a guy with his arms over his head though.

I did a shitty quick sketch to show the kind of pose I'm hoping to find.

>>2947498
literally just google zyzz and you have a dozen

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>>2947498
Or gymnastics rings

>>2947498
Fyi learning some basic anatomy and proportion would save you a shitton of struggle. Reference can only help you so much. Also, youd be surprised how easy is to find exactly what youre looking for if you just literally Google what you need as spesificly as you can

How to draw old women rather than younger women

>>2947518
kawaii

>>2947572
Really old :
Hunched over a bit, bony, nose is larger, hair is very thin, tits are saggy, baggy loose long pants with high waste, wrinkles of course

>>2947572
Look up reference images of old women.

>>2947572
Just say you want to draw milfs you piece of shit

when do i get to the fun part

>>2947595
took me 2 years

>>2947595
No

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Everything I make looks weird and flat. Help?

Just fuck my shit up senpai

>>2947621
Use pink, green,purple and blue. To make mid tones.

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could use help on a lot of things, if anyone could give me tips on backgrounds, landscapes, painting, and coloring id really appreciate it!

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>>2947621
add highlights

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>>2947358
update, I got my tablet to work in photoshop.
I went into pen settings and enabled "support tablet PC" anyone using huion driver's know what the fuck that means?

also this popped up when I tried reinstalling the drivers, I just clicked ignore, should I be worried?
I always heard tablet drivers were a real bitch to deal with but I always thought but I always thought people were just exaggerating, turns out its true.

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Spent most the day turning hot women into deformed monsters and calling it studying. Tomorrow I should probably figure out how to study for real.

So is the whole "learning from photos is bad" meme true? Or is it just an oversimplification of a larger discussion?

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>>2947644
From what I understand the entire point is that learning from photos is worse than learning from real life, but if that's all you've got then... well, ya know, why not.

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a bunch of digital sketches I did later in the day.

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Could someone redline this?

>>2947663
Blog?

>>2947663
Comfort zone?

>>2947666
Yes satan, but my finished work is way worse than my practice sketches like these.

>>2947664
Dont have easy digital access atm. Drawing would read much better, feel much natural is the right hand were grabbing the door pole underhand. Extended from the body.

>>2947664
will you get the fuck out of the beg thread?
>>2947663
you fucking too.
>>2947621
and you

>>2947675
You're saying my stuff isn't beginner tier?? >>2947663

>>2947675
FakeBro

>>2947675
Why? None of the work you quoted doesnt belong here

>>2947632
>backgrounds, landscapes, painting, and coloring id really appreciate it!
those are not your problems, your construction is not proportioned. her head is huge for her body and looks like it was tapped onto her neck but I think those could be gills. one of her wrists is super thin and the torso over all looks flat.

>>2947684
yeah thats cause i didnt do any building for this. i just kind of went for it. but i do really need tips on the things ive pointed out. need to start working on backgrounds as well. im sick of just drawing flat character.

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crits?

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It's me, nothing but splatoon art here... I swear this is not all I draw

Pls tell me my artwork is shit and I'll never make it in the art industry <3

>>2947697
I love it

>>2947697
Gonna make it

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>>2947701
>>2947702
Hm? Why do you say that?

>>2947697
Lineart is wobly
kinda flat and small

Into the dark abyss I go

>>2947692
Looks alright to me.
I could be wrong tho.
here are some refs id it helps tho.
Always remember: Google [position, part of the body, subject, etc] + fisheye lens for foreshortening porn. You will always get some references.

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>>2947730
Ups, forgot to rotate. My bad.

>>2947663
You are pretty close to be good bruh, but you gotta get out your comfort zone.
Try drawabox to better your lineart, try diferent figure drawing books too.

>>2947663
Fuck you must have had alot of figure drawing classes. Why you here?

>>2947724
Yeah I need to work on my shading.. I haven't really messed with it so none of my drawings have it.

Oh, uh.. My only means of digital drawing is from my 3DS.. That might be why it seems tiny.. Eheh...

>>2947736
pls no ego stroking
Dont wanna stagnate the n00bs

retard question incoming
if you draw/practice on a tablet, will it feel somewhat similar drawing on paper?

>>2947746
Like the feeling of actual graphite to paper? no.

>>2947746
you could always try putting a sheet of paper over your tablet

>>2947754
doing this will wear down your nibs quicker, just a heads-up

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I posted this on the last thread but no response; How was my linework? How can i shade skin without making it just look scratchy? Am I just using bad paper? i'd appreciate feedback

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this is (not) spam

>>2947833
you're right, this is shit
no one wants to see your shitty drawings plastered everywhere, in every thread, fuck off you autistic dipshit

>>2947833
i feel like this is bait but i kinda like it anyways

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Been having art block bad and have some other linework that needs to be painted, so I said fuck it. Stayed up till 4:36 making this piece of shit. (started at around 3) had to relearn how to make black and forced myself to only use the travel pallet. I wanted to use my sketchbook but it is mixed media and things didn't lift. Fuck life. At least I made art for the first time in weeks.
(did a few other sketches tonight but they weren't worth a post)

>>2947830
You could develop the titties more.

>>2947676
>>2947677
>>2947681
fuck off with all your insecurities and go to your respective threads. people are scared to post because you're too good.

>>2947854
Post your scared people.

i want to die

>>2947854
where else does it belong then
is there even a regular drawthread up or should we just go to the alt style thread because it's all stylized anyway

>>2947863
No you don't you liar.

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Scaredbro posting

>>2947632
I like the look of her! I love merms so I ended up doing something similar. Mine is based on a freshwater electric eel while yours is more of a mythical sea one. For some tips on creating an environment for a character; it focuses a lot on the conceptual stage of work. While you are thinking up your character: think about where they are and what they are doing. For example, yours is a sea one, so you could include coral/ rocks ect. If its open sea, more color variation, and rays of light from the surface could help too. also adding particles in the water helps give a better feeling of the ocean.

Another thing to note is
>>2947684
is right. And, it's also the answer to your response
>>2947688
In helping build a better, more 3-dimensional character. A different pose would suit the character more, and add depth and dimension. strong construction ensures depth, while color and lighting enhance it. Try to think of your beginning sketch in more of a 3-D way, and box things in to make sure you move past flatness.

That being said, I would do a redline but I am not confident enough because I am a beginner myself. Best of luck!

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>>2947918
Forgot to post mine lol

Would anyone be willing to give me assistance on what needs to be touched up/ altered before Inking? I'm pretty sure there are flaws with her back/chest but I can't seem to get them right without some insight. Thanks /beg/!

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>>2946581
Of fucking course not, you fucking braindead retard.

This is the gayest fucking excuse for not wanting to make it and give up drawing I have ever witnessed on this godforsaken board, holy shit.

Drawing is just like learning what works and what doesn't work when darwing stuff you goddamn moron.

You can't seriously be this retarded. I bet you're one of those autistic furries or something. Either way consider kys.

>>2947937
Well, you certainly did a mistake of not resizing your image and posting it from mobile, i. e. auto-rotated.
But you do draw quite well for this thread. Better than most.

>>2947736
I just posted in the beginner thread, since last time I posted in stylization thread, and they told me I was shit, so I just posted here this time to be safe. Last time I posted to /ic/ was about a year ago though.

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crit my shit

>>2947960
cute, but I like wrists so fuck you

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>>2947449
I don't have any tablet or any money to buy it, so first I draw rough sketch by hand with pencil and eraser, then I scan it, then I edit it in Paint.NET, cause I am stupid russian who can't into photoshop.
This is something I've got at the end. Tell me if it's worth to continue drawing.

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Rate my Samurai Jack
How are my lines and how would you improve it?

>>2947962
Drawing is something you improve over time.
if you were 10 years old and drew shitty pictures and then decide that you won't ever get into arts because your drawings are shit, you should just fucking kys

You commit into doing it and you keep doing it until you're good. Just because you're shit now doesn't mean you can't improve any further.
Shut the fuck up, get a tablet and start drawing 5-10 hours every day. Come back after few years to thank me.

>>2947962
I like the comic book aesthetic having it on paper's given it

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>>2947967
You don't need to use so Many lines to get that tough, gritty look. Instead, use textures and a very quick and sharp strokes.

Also consider using dark, sharp shadows as well to add to that gritty atmosphere.

The rib cage looks (a bit) like it was drawn to short and wide but thats just me.

For a good example of a gritty style, please google Yoji Shinkawa art. His work is very textured but if you look closely, you'll see that it's painted very loosely with a range od sharp abstract shapes and subtle shading here and there.

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We're doing 15 minute portraits in class right now. Besides symbol drawing eyes, which I am doing more to quickly get the likeness in time since I'm bad at constructing quickly (and wanted to finish more than half the face in time), any advice?

>>2947962
Stick to pen and paper, no point in practicing digital with a mouse.

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>>2947982
i am sorry

>>2947987
glasses are asymmetrical

draw for another 8 years and then come back

>>2947987

cmon Donald already won the primaries, stop being salty

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>>2947983
That's one of my old drawings without digital then. Only paper, pencil and pen.

>>2947989
Yes, their lenses should be symmetrical. The rim, however, can be of any shape the author or wearer desires.

>>2947996
Having such fangs there is quite pointless if they aren't meant as a decoration. Are they?

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So how do I get as good as Jérémie Périn's anatomy on his Lastman cartoon?

I want something that looks that realistic, not that Loomis or whatever artstyle. Is drawing from photos the only way for this?

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>>2947967
Okay see I look at stuff like this and I have no idea how the artist would go about drawing it. Did they use gesture first? Did they use construction? Or did they just draw the outlines perfectly because they're just that fucking good?

>>2948024
>he doesn't just draw the outlines
>he messes up his paper with ugly sketches and other unnecessary stuff to get his forms

>>2948024
Blank canvas, start drawing shit from your head, mold it as time goes and see what looks best to you
I suck at trying to draw sketches and then draw something on top of it, I just do part by part and then end up with something

>>2947987
That's pretty good. You should become a police sketch artist.

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How can I get the proportions right when starting from a gesture? I always get the head too big like in pic related. My aim isn't to match the reference 1:1 but I want to at least get the proportions right.

Like in pic related, the head is way too wide. I tried to make the images the same size as possible but they're not exactly the same size. But in the photo the side of her head to the end of the shoulder is about 1 head width, in my drawing it's only 3/5th. But if I widen the arm then the arm just looks way too fat.

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>>2948062
That's amazing, I'm guessing you studied something like loomis or hampton right? Right anon?...

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I need pdf or videos about

Boxes to gesture thing. Can anybody help me? Tell me loomis its hard and meme.

Also drawing boxes or ovals which one is good?

>>2948096
by practising proportion
by practising at all
how many hours a day do you actually practise?

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>>2948102
*Don't tell me
I cant even speak english.

>>2948102
villpu on figures, hampton on figures
boxes for construction, gesture is separate. loomis' figures arent great, use him for heads
boxes

>>2948097
Akko best waifu

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>>2948106
hampton on figures looks like what i am looking for thank you here is your rare pepe

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I tried to copy a photo today, but it went very poorly; many restatements were made. I didn't do anything else

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>>2947449
Stopped fucking around and got down to doing gestures. Any tips would be appreciated.

how do i get a better understanding of my cheekbone and eyesocket?

>>2948225
Literally just draw skulls and close up references.

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cqan i get a crit please? i'm very new to digital art

>>2947644
>Or is it just an oversimplification of a larger discussion?

It's oversimplified because it's not bad, it's just not ideal. From life you have an entire scene in front of you -- that is, you can see the shape of the person's face in three dimensions, even if they don't move much. You can't look at a photo and then symbol-draw the shadows to create form (not quite symbol-draw, but you know what I mean -- drawing the shadows based on their shape in the photo rather than figuring out the form and applying them based on what you see.) You learn quicker from real life.

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I like the pixely look

>>2948364
your first step is to stop liking the things you do just because they are yours. learn only like what you can objectively see as good.

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Crit my wip

>>2947982

Anyone got any advice? Keep in mind these are drawn quickly while the other person is drawing you (this girl was pretty good in her portrait of me with everything but defining form.
The likeness was off but it was still cute)

>>2947676
>>2947663
nah it's the same as the "blog?!" meme. Your drawing's Not absolutely beginner tier but still beginner nonetheless. Chicken scratching everywhere (unless youre on paint) and improvising anatomy; that's not good. It's a problem im trying to fix also.

So /ic/ and places like DrawABox all tell me to draw quick, but smooth and precise lines. But when I see, say, Proko, drawing from life, they always do a series of strokes that make up a larger line.

is it possible to grind something so much that you actually get worse at it?

>>2948407
Hell, looking at Proko's video on line control he says to do the same thing DoB does, which is weird because he doesn't do it himself in any of his videos.

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Definitely could have kept improving this, but wanna do other faces. Learning to do values and colors is fucking hard. I definitely messed up in that regard. Also completely gave up wit the shirt and didn't even really try it.

Why the fuck are the approaches for figure drawing and regular life drawing so different? Why decide to use visual measuring, careful marking, and angle measurment for one, and just "lol spaghetti people then draw the rest of the fucking owl" for the other?

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The porn thread told me to fuck off here
so please critique my work
I already know that the face needs work as well as the left arm not looking right
anything else?

>>2948444
sticky

>>2948435
sticky

>>2948435
the cool tones and the size of the features on her face make her seem older

>>2948446
>>2948447
please fuck off

>>2948451
47 should fuck off but my post is fine

>>2948412
Yup.

>>2948451
cant tAKE CRTICISIM ALL I SEE IS A DISPROPORTIONATE MESS

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lads...

>>2948472
i know.

>>2948465
what was that faglord

>>2948472
It's fine! Keep going. Try some other subject matter if the current one isn't working. Draw two-point perspective boxes if the worst comes to the worst

>>2948472
anon had a rough life :(

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>>2948472
You're surely aging fast. Are you a clone too?

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This is one of my first attempts at photocopy

>>2948472
Keep your breath for now. It's going to be okay.

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new threads keep popping up and i'm always a day late with posting my shit. I feel as if the little sketch pad I got is too small for the way I draw and I end up making one eye bigger than the other.

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why does it keep flipping?

>>2948511
its symbol drawn and needs loomis

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>>2948511
There are no lines in nature. You have to start weening away from symbol drawing and start seeing things in blocks of value.

>>2948500
thats a pretty good first attempt even though its not finished. Her left eye is wider than the right and the nose looks blocky and the lips goes too far right

>>2948515>>2948514
what is symbol drawing and loomis? sorry, I've never taken any class before.

>>2948511
>>2948515
Also your measurements are beyond terrible. Take some time to read through all of Keys to Drawing and by the end you'll be more accurate (hopefully) when you're drawing from reference.

>>2948519
you don't need to take a class
read the sticky before you post on this board for fucks sake

>>2948519
reported for not reading the sticky

>>2948510
>>2948511
post ref

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>>2948511

>>2948526
fucking KEK

>>2948516
Thanks mate

Guess i'll have to watch my proportions and adjust the face features.

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done!

>>2948532
FYI, bears have five toes on their paws.

>>2948532
fun is wrong
the paint on the bear isnt finished
tjhere are some symbols such as the sword, the plushies, the belt, etc. nice figure though, the eyes are weird.

>>2948532
Annie?

>>2948535
why did i write "fun is wrong" i meant to say "done is wrong"? freudian slip? am i that far gone?

>>2948096
A little focus on construction will go a long way, frienderino. Also you can try tracing the image just so you understand the size of the head relative to the body (and other proportions). Then scrap the tracing and try drawing again

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need help with feet and hands. look like claws.

>>2947931
Are you sure you're /beg/ tier?

>>2947960
It's a bit hard to crit something when it's so stylized.

>>2948012
If you can draw loomis or whatever artstyle you will be able to draw as good or better than Jérémie Périn. You will be drawing from photos and life to achieve both, as you need a grasp of anatomy in order to simplify it aesthetically.

>>2948096
Stop looking at your drawing for so long while you draw it. You're drawing most of your image from memory, and your memory simplifies what it sees. Look back and forth between your drawing and your reference every 2-4 seconds as you are drawing.

>>2948364
You need Loomis. It doesn't matter if your end product is low-res pixels, your anatomy really could use work. Particularly the legs.

>>2948377
Are you going for a cartoon style on the face?
The lips and eyes just look like flat symbol drawing to me.

>>2948384
Aren't you meant to ask your teacher in class what the exercises are for?

>>2948444
If you have a look at the neck, you can see it's attached to the head at the very back like E.T.
..among other things.
But please at least use a reference image for this. The tits are facing the wrong direction, the arm shapes look like they were guessed, and your hands have no palms.
Also, sticky.

>>2948577
study feet and hands

>>2948580
solid advice honestly. i need to stop being so lazy.

>>2948475
OH NO GIVE ME BACK MY BONES

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I was working on a cartoony self portrait for my new user icon for tumblr/twitter, and realized that i have no idea how to cell-shade. Any tips? (also feel free to critque the draing itself)

>>2948605
be my gf plz

>>2948605
cute

>>2948605
The lineart on those glasses is pretty half-assed.

>>2948605
i bet you arent that attractive irl

>>2948605
LONDON?

>>2948613
true. I look a lot younger than my actual age, and I'm pretty short lol.

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next thread im saying im a girl for ez crits and (You)s

>>2948619
not if i do it first

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>> tfw whenever you try to draw a female face
C-comfort zone, m-may I stay o-one with you f-forever?

>>2948619
isnt /ic/ like 60% female anyways

>>2948447
My picture is not very good I'd rather someone else.

>>2948623
>eceleb threads
>drama
>muh feelings
>attention seeking
>getting defensive over crits
sounds about right

>>2948623
someone did a census for /ic/ a while back and a good percentage did say they were female. idk why dudes are always so surprised to find out they're talking to a girl on here. oh wait

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WIP. All critique appreciated before continuing

>>2948634
you rotated it but didnt resize it

>>2948635
Sorry, just hard to see the lighter lines when it's smaller on my monitor, just sure how it is for everyone else, so I just took the chance.

>>2947967
gesture, anatomy, etc, etc.

>>2948577
what did you do to practice gestures? Did you use a ref for this?

>>2948645
yeah used a ref side-by-side

>>2948656
Good feminine face, but you need to check the alignment of your facial elements. At the very least you have to reshape the chin.

So when I'm LOOMISing do I just copy what he's doing as I go through the book or am I supposed to be applying this creatively on some kind of outside assignment?

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>>2948664

>>2948664
You're supposed to do both, going from the former to the latter. Like with every textbook on any subject.

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Tried using charcoal for darker values in some places, had no idea how to use it and ended up almost ruining the whole thing and leaving random ass smudges all over the place

Also left most of the hair out because it was pure black and I didn't want to waste materials.

>>2948668

How much should I do per day?

>>2948679
Quite resembles that exemplary symbol drawing picture, desu. His mouth and his right cheek are definitely off, and his eyes and nose look cymbalish.

>>2948683
If you plan on getting to a professional level, it's pretty universally accepted that you do about 6-10 hours a day for a few years.

>>2948683
About how much you can do, and then some more.

how do people here practice gestures?

>>2948686
>>2948688

Fuck

RIP dreams

>>2948692
pussy

>>2948693

I got about 3 free hours in a day if I want to sleep

So it'll just take me twice as along. Not that I'm not going to try, but it's discouraging. Maybe if I can get into art school and live off of grants/loans I can dedicate that time.

>>2948692
If you want to draw consistently qt animoo girls with convincing anatomy whom many people fap to, you can achieve it in less than a year of drawing quite irregularly. You have to be Japanese, Chinese, or Russian though, since it requires a certain mindset.

>>2948685
Thanks for the critique anon, I agree about it being really off, I could tell I stretched his face when I was drawing it but by then it was too late to change it so I just kept going. I was trying not to symbol draw but I guess I failed, oh well. Maybe I'll do better next time.

>>2948618
i know you cant be my gf because the other guy asked first but ive been looking for a little sister for a while now

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I'm literally not going to make it. I always get 70% into something and leave it rough because something pops into my head and I start drawing that instead.

>>2948697
Why Japanese, Chinese or Russian? What mindset? wot

>>2948739
He's saying you need to be disciplined

>>2948697
Do these people also fap to their own art I wonder.
I really have a hard time even pretending to be thinking asian.

>>2948578
yea I'm /beg/ dude

>>2948739
It's a weird agreement formed in a discussion at a certain imageboard some time ago. Basically, harsh conditions which help form passion for art and a bit of weirdness make a good artist.

>tfw your art is so shitty nobody says anything

this next shot is for all my /no hope/ bros in this thread

>>2948747
Stop bitching.
Which one is yours?

YES I AM A BLACK PERSON BUT COMPARED TO THE REST IM A NOBLE

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>>2948754
Real kangs were green!

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>>2947449
gesture study

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Did some gesture study and tried to throw in some basic volumes. Mostly spheres.

>>2948801
why dont you resize it to the 1000x1000

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>>2947450
Reposting. Made the background lighter.

Just working on the same stuff, values, edges, and understanding the form. Feedback is appreciated as always.

>>2947595
it's right there in fun damentals

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I'm not gonna make it bros

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>>2948823

>>2948846
Thank you for doing that! That's really cool to see. That warping tho. It looks like I made some errors with measuring. My line drawing underneath it sucked, even though I tried to measure as best as I could it still came out that off. I gotta keep working on that.

>>2948551
yeah i traced the upper body and realized that the proportions were really bad but how do people get proportions mostly accurate in short gesture drawings though? Is it just something that only people who are already good can do?

>>2948578
>Stop looking at your drawing for so long while you draw it.

yeah you're right, I eventually just got frustrated and attempted to fix it by itself rather than referring back

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Where might I find clear perspective exercises (especially in video form)? I can read PME as suggested in the sticky/wiki, but I want clearer exercises that define clearly the organized method of perspective. Though, admittedly, I have not read the whole book. Should I just continue reading to find the skills I'm looking for?

I understand concepts like the horizon line and eye level, HWD, and relative distance sizing, but applying the understanding of these concepts is where I feel I am lacking. For instance, I tried to draw a simple head with a downward angle, but it came out seemingly direct to eye level.

>>2948845
Cute

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>>2947450
Maybe I just have to do something less difficult.

>>2948623
AND NONE OF THEM WANT TO BE MY GF D':

>>2948878
How about posting this drawing of yours?

>>2948929
Wrong. The more difficult tasks you give yourself, the faster you improve (due to overclocking your brain).
Although that might only work with certain kind of people, so use your grains of salt wisely.

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Sorry about the rough lines, It's a busy day.

How is it?

>>2948999
Her right shoulder is too narrow and she is anorexic. There's something that looks wrong about her face, but I don't draw faces well enough to give a definite answer. Let's just say it's very unattractive, and the visible arm is poorly done.
Chicken scratching isn't a good habit too, and you could really use some gestures.

Oh, btw, she totally looks underage (what's with that big head, small breasts, and thin body), so you might want to check your VPN if you're a poor Amurricunt.

>>2949009
And this is why you don't listen to criticism on the Internet from randos.

>Looks underage

Very thin, obviously drawn that way. Small breasts, also yes. Underage? Please stop giving criticism if you're just going to make things up.

>Visible arm is poorly done.

Also, giving criticism without solutions or even detailed solutions. You're bad at it, don't try again.

>>2949009
>you could really use some gestures

stop lol

>>2949016
Not sure if trolling, but okay, let's elaborate it on the arm.
Go up to the mirror topless, make the same pose and note how your arm is shaped. If you're not a skinny weakling, make some adjustments but define the bones and muscles.

"Obviously drawn that way," you say? She's so thin that I find it very hard to believe she has any internal space for organs, and giving birth would likely kill her. I say it again, she is clearly underdeveloped.

>>2949026
If one bends people like that, they wouldn't harm him.

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Recent shit

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2 hours.

>>2949050
I am really loving those gestures on the left. Are they from reference? How long to get that good?

>>2949071
why did this take two hours? their just basic shapes.

>>2949084
I didn't know how to blend the shadows when I started.
This is the first render I've tried this year.
A lot of time was just playing with brushes.

>>2949050
The squatting guy is missing some things, namely: a tracksuit, an oldschool cap, a lit cigarette, and a bottle of vodka. Other than that, me liek and lol'd at the bird that is in the man's hand.

>>2948626
really make u think

>>2948196
it looks like you did a contour study rather than a gesture; i think. Apparently "gestures" are quick sketches that captures a pose's gesture with a few lines; it cant be too detailed according to some.

But as a contour study its good.

study vilppu's gesture portion in his drawing manual

>>2948578
Cartoony yeh, will work on making things more round.

>>2948578
>Aren't you meant to ask your teacher in class what the exercises are for?

The exercises are to get confortable with constructing faces. I'm just asking how well I am constructing faces

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>>2948951
N-no...

>>2949252
>> 5312x2988
>> autorotated
>> the subject
Okay, there are many fuckers who can't read the OP, but you surpassed them all. Go die in an explosion.

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>>2949267

I picked from DCIM and not Studio by accident and didn't pick the cropped one. I'm familiar with the sticky just a fuckup. Just, cool it with the antisemitic remarks, ok?

>>2949275
Antisemitic? Wut?
Oh, I just meant that your picture (several dozen of loosely applied and uninteresting charcoal marks) has nothing of value to require viewing it in such detail.

>>2949275
>Just, cool it with the antisemitic remarks, ok?
what did he mean by this

>>2949282
I guess he thought that I was able to guess his nationality from those loose strokes and that's why I was salty about the subject.

>>2949282
>>2949281
>>2949291

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoRaYgqKMkg

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I'm trying to improve my linework digitally as I feel like Michael J Fox whenever I attempt it. I saw this video today and I thought the linework was pretty kickass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1MhaTipED8
I copied the settings they used for the pen when lining the mermaid but I don't really know what canvas size he's using. I tried copying the image into sai (pic related) to try and trace over it to see if my lines are along the same line, Pun not intended, but mine are much smaller. I'm confused. I'm not even sure if pic related was the size it was drawn in.

>>2949291
>loose strokes

well, how else am I going to finish a portrait in 10 minutes or less? Should I just not post them?

I still have no idea how to do lines.
Here's my problem: I don't know how to move my arm while drawing at all. Using my wrist feels way more controlled and comfortable, but leads to sketchy chickenscratch. If I use my shoulder like many guides say you should, I don't feel in control of my lines at all. It feels really uncomfortable nerve wracking to use my shoulder except for the biggest of lines, and I mean big.
What arm movements do I use when and why?

>>2949305
Chill, man. Tis' a question of likeness. It doesn't matter whether your lines are as loose as a 50 years old slut. If you want people to recognize the nationality of the portrayed being, hone your technique and put lines down wisely.

>>2949307
Wrist for details, arm for big lines. Try holding the pen between your ring finger, pinky, and thumb when you draw from your arm.

>>2949332

Not upset, no worries. But I am curious what you mean. Loose but wise? Doesn't loose imply that the lines aren't wise? And if so, why doesn't it matter?

I assume you mean loose in another sense than correctness?

>>2947450
jesus fuck for a sec there i got scared thinking you posted your own drawing

>>2949300
bls helb

>>2949347
I think the intended meaning in the last post is something like "rough and free (unbound by anything)." It is possible to draw a good looking picture roughly, just like it's possible to construct everything perfectly but fail to make it look good and interesting.

However, you seemingly lack skill necessary for drawing good looking rough pictures yet. Your lines are "loose" in the "sloppy" sense. And yes, you can master it by continuing to do what you do now, but you have to draw other subjects than yourself as well.

>>2949347
Try going slowly and don't be afraid to restate your lines. There is a BIG difference between making several long confident strokes and making one stroke made of several tiny less confident ones (chicken scratch)

>>2949357
>but you have to draw other subjects than yourself as well.

Thanks for the advice! It's actually the first self-portrait I've ever done because I have bad bdd, though. I like drawing faces a lot, however. Perhaps I should draw something else today.

>>2949360

I'll try that with my next few studies and see how it works out!

>>2947962

Horosho !.

Assume that I don't know anything and can't draw a straight line if my life were hanging in the balance, would it be better for me to take some mentor courses or can I manage through free online lessons?

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How did I do?

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Got a cheap tablet to try digital. This is my first test with it... From imagination, don't think I'll continue, mostly for practice.

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First time here. Observation practice.

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>>2948194
I then create a few more and finished the first. For whatever reason it took me a long time to observe something that I could translate into line in that reference; I ended up drawing symbols. I moved on and made some other photo studies, but I'm definitely stagnating

>>2949391
Quite deliciously, but you still need to work on your anatomy and foreshortening. The arm of the girl in the lower right corner looks wrong: the shoulder (dislocated) and the upper arm (the inner outline is too straight) are poorly executed, and the arm itself is too long (longer than the other).

>>2949421
Lol, so that post was yours (you're that British lad, right)? Didn't even recognize you. I thought that you left this thread.
Anyway, you gave the girl's hair too much volume. It would look fine if you stopped at that black line, but now it looks like she is secretly an alien. Other than that, I wouldn't say any of those look bad (at least without comparing them to the references). If you feel like you're stagnating, that's probably because you only do studies and don't draw from imagination, maybe?

>>2949431
Hm correct! I need to work on drawing from imagination a lot more than I currently am.

P.s Yes I'm the ugly British bong with the long hair

>>2947941
It would be nice to see some testimonies from people who started in their kid 20s and not since "I doodled a lot as a kid but only went serious as an adult!"

>>2949410
this is really good even though I don't know the reference image. what the hell is this doing in beginner?

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I'm a beginner and mines pretty garbage. How do people get angles and proportions right early game?

>>2949457

The face looks rather flat imo, good observation skills but newbie at construction

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>>2949300
Answer me you fags. Here's how my lines show up with the same settings.

>>2949431
Yeah, I totally messed up on that 4th chick. It's weird how the easiest poses seem to be the hardest sometimes.

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>> when you have to decide between two sets of breasts
This life is too cruel.

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How do I finish a drawing?

>>2949475
The right set has around a cup size of difference.
The left one has some minor differences in size, but is far better.

>>2949478
first you have to spend years grinding

>>2949459
Thank u and, I wasn't using any construction so I'll have to get right on that

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>>2949475
done with a mouse and a bit shit but you get the idea.

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>>2949457
Here's the reference

>>2949475
You draw such ugly malnourished bodies Yuukafag, try and think beyond the skeleton.

>>2949460
try messing around with the weight/preasure the pen has in the line-art.

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>>2949458
by pencil measuring

>>2949391
Gotta practice the faces

>>2949552
I really need to work on this, I always fuck up the measurement /angles even after doing this

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>>2948845

Why the FUCK isn't the Google doc in the actual sticky already? So fucking helpful.

>>2949583
Because /ic/'s mods are lazy.

>>2949550
Ohh, I'll give that a try. I thought that was just handled by "min size". What sort of messing around would you suggest?

>>2949585
idk what kind of software do you use but in corel you can change the thickness/weight at the ends and starts of the lineart. or the pressure of the brush, etc.try it all mane, nothing to lose and some knowledge of your software to gain.

>>2949602
also http://friendlyhand.deviantart.com/journal/Tips-for-smooth-clean-line-art-359879866

>>2949602
I'm using Sai, but I'll look into it.

>>2949583
11/03/13 - the last time /ic/'s mods were seen

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>>2949553
These are just practices for anatomy. I'm not drawing any faces, because my main goal is to draw, well furries.

>>2949645
So that justifies not learning how to wrap the features around the skull and expressions?

Furries have skulls too fleabag.

>>2949645
You gotta practice the faces. I'm >>2949553 and draw furry too. >>2944856
Always have problems when trying to make em look appealing.

Gotta do em senpai

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>>2949009
Thanks for your critique but let's not worry about the legal age of some digitaly drawn lines.

>>2949016
Please don't discourage people from offering critique without adding something constructive yourself, even if it was well intentioned, it's not helpfull.


Anyway I could use some crit on this picture.
This time hopefully without causeing arguments.

>>2949651
her shoulders are too square

>>2949552
thats something that I've never done before, I'll try it

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>>2949648
I'm been practicing faces for a lot longer then I'v been drawing full bodies. I know it's stupid to separate them like that, but I don't think I have that hard of a time drawing faces, so I left them blank.
Again, I realize this isn't the best way. I'm just trying to explain my reasoning behind it.

>>2949664
>this degenerate's faces are better than mine

>>2949664
Not that other Anon, but you should eventually move on to doing both at the same time so they flow and blend well together and it comes second nature to you.
I really like your art by the way, keep it up. I'll be looking forward to more.

I just started drawing last week, I feel like all I do is copy stuff without adding anything myself. I tried Loomis fun with a pencil and even copying it doesn't come out right. Is this where symbol drawing is coming in? Is it simply just grinding to beat it out of my system?

Can anyone give me some tips for constructing the body when it's facing the camera?

Like when you're looking at them from directly above, below or if they're lying down facing you?

I have issues constructing and taking foreshortening into account.

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How come when I use the color picker to grab her skintone and shade it looks horrid? It looks to be cell shaded so I don't get it.

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>>2949698
Pic is my own colors which I find look nice. I'm just curious where the picked colors fail.

>>2949700
gimme the full pic

>>2949706
ain't done yet

>>2949700
>>2949698
Skullgirls artstyle uses a somewhat watercolor coloring and the shading usually have an outer and inner layer to them. Your shading is pure flat shading. If you want an example, look at Filia's hand on the right (her left hand).

>>2949738
I see, so there's a bit of blending to it that makes the transition less jarring?

>>2949741
Yeah. It's a hard distinction yet the shading itself is very soft. If you look real closely (at a higher res pic perhaps) you can see that most of the coloring and shading isn't a single color.
It may look weird now because you only have flats at the moment.

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>>2947449
Practising heads from imagination again.

How wonky do they look? Do they look 3D? How do I make sure I keep trying different angles? A lot of the heads I drew look very similar in orientation. Please redline if you can.

>>2949787
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>>2949787
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>>2947449
I've been practicing Abstract Watercolor/Acrylic for the last year, my work is minimalistic and inspired by the likes of Lee Ufan, I use my philosophy of art degree to write short abstract poetic essays about each piece, my Insta has been slowly gaining followers and I've just started a blog to drip feed the essays and get an online portfolio going

Does anyone here work in a similar art style that could give critique? it would be greatly greatly appreciated