/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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trying a slightly different face style this time

>>2913048
Good god, Ryan was a good looking motherfucker.

>>2913114
Jesus christ

>>2913048
It's been months and I haven't seen OP's work. Is he /beg/ like us or what?

>>2913135
who is Ryan?

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>>2913183
most recent stuffs. you can decide. i've been told i'm in a weird middle place that isn't quite right for /beg/ or /draw/ so i just hang out here as to not overstep my bounds

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Does it suck?

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looking for a general critique of this insect mirroring exercise, very much appreciated

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I can only see whats wrong with my selfportraits after finishing a new one.
Why is this?

>>2913220
looks pretty good to me anon. could you link the exercises or whatever you learned this from/based this off of please?

>>2913251
You're learning. Keep it up and make sure to not make the same mistakes on the next one. Do this for three years and suddenly you have gotten gud.

>>2913114
Eye sore

That was a lot to take in anon, ditch the snoic desu eyes and `use better colors.

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>>2913053
>>2913054
>>2913055
Reminds me of my college art class. Makes me want to blow my brains out.

>>2913253
this is practicing the mirroring technique from Scott Robertson's book How to Draw.

This exercise was taken from FZD, you can find examples of this by googling "FZD insects" (which are so fucking clean btw, the students there work so hard)

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Someone posted this in a beginner thread some time ago, I did a study of it. Not tryna rip you off if you see this

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How are my boxes looking?

>>2913259
problem is i dont want to show them to anyone now.

Photoshop or Clip Studio Paint EX?

>>2913274
Jesus fucking Christ that spelling gave me an aneurism

>>2913282
tryingtoholdinlaughter.jpg

>>2913290
That's not very nice. Your boxes look good anon. Draw some grenades, it's good practice

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SHOOT ME DOOOWN

>>2913302
Draw thread is over there.

>>2913269
Why is that Anon?

>>2913114
Are you? It looks identical to your previous faces

>>2913202
Most definitely.

>>2913302
It's ok since there's no way to discern which parts are not supposed to be in his character.

Only thing is that backhead is a little big and neck is too small.

>>2913302
das pretty gud mane.

couple things. I'm sure there are more values you can add in there. since the face is too light, it's flat.

also left side of the face that's turning away is wider in proportion to the right side. it should be the opposite. you should see less of the left side as it turns away from view. same with the eyes.

>>2913286
One that allows you to rotate and flip your canvas instantaneously, however you want, and with no effects on the image itself. Then the one which has the best functionality and/or price for what it gives.

>>2913321
Please tell me why I want to improve sensei

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>>2913050

>>2913282
They look messy

[spoiler] Bump [/spoiler]

>>2913334
"Sensei" da to?! Iya-iya, "senpai" wa jūbun da yo. Sore de, senpai no o-henji wa:

Proportions. The eye is too big and the ear is too close to it. The angle of the lips is too big. I have never seen a moustache that grows on the cheek. Growing upwards is an even more rare case. Overall, he looks like an ancient human between a cro-magnon and a neanderthal, closer in evolution to the former. I'm pretty sure they didn't have cigarettes back then, and I don't think they smoked tobacco at all either. The lines are kinda messy too, but I like the way you do values.

>>2913327
already torrented photoshop for graphic design purposes, got CSPex & an wacom intous for Christmas.

Which one would be better for art overall?

>>2913366
Thanks I appreciate it. I will do better next time. Anyone else have trouble finishing a piece once you start it and ending up surrounded with a bunch of uncompleted pieces?

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>>2913366
And yeah my lines are messy but I consider it a part of muh style

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I'm going to keep doing these from time to time.

>>2913371
Idk. I'd say that I like CSP a lot more, but I'm using a pretty old version of Photoshop, CS 8.0. The big disadvantage of CSP is a grave lack of filters, so I have to use Photoshop as well if I want something like noise, rain, or wave texture done fast.

>>2913375
Oh yes, I do.

>>2913380
It's an even better exercise if you do it from life

>>2913380
Can I see your actual work and if it matches up to your studies

>>2913381
>> noise, rain,
Wait, disregard that. I forgot there are some tools in CSP that allow you to do this fast enough.

how big is a vagina in comparison to any other part of the body?

how do you measure it?

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>>2913392
It is usually about a middle finger in length... Have this picture as well.

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>>2913383
I do lots of life drawing, but only in lines.

>>2913384
pic related isn't actual work, just a study, but doing these practices helped a lot.

>>2913403
Oh you're THAT good

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>started drawing a lot
>everything looks like shit but I'm finally having fun for some reason

I hope I never leave this high but that's probably not possible.

Anyway I'm happy for now and hopefully we all make it.

>>2913407
I kind of wish everyone wasn't so hesitant to post their work. We all draw for the fun and high. Don't let mean people get to you. I just want to see what kind of stuff makes everyone so happy.

>>2913403
>I do lots of life drawing, but only in lines
That's good, but I meant more that you should set up still lifes on your desk instead of working from a photo of one.

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>>2913402
>a middle finger in length
thank you

yeah I'm using the same guide for this but I have never seen a vagina and haven't drawn many either

is pic related accurate enough?

>>2913412
I'd need to rig some lighting setups and things, too, it'll be fun. Thanks, anon.

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Work in progress

>>2913413
>never seen a vagina
I am so sorry

>>2913413
It seems to be misaligned with the body. There's something weird other than that, but I can't point it out.

>>2913377
bruh you keep posting this every week.

>Anyone else have trouble finishing a piece once you start it and ending up surrounded with a bunch of uncompleted pieces?

All the time, but it's not a problem if you just keep moving on and drawing. Don't cling on to each drawing so much, especially when you're still so early in the beginning stages. You'll have plenty of opportunity to fill up that sketchbook with much better sketches than the same ones you've been posting for weeks. Old sketches gonna be irrelevant when you have lots of new work incoming.

Also, at your beginner level, messy lines isn't a style. It's just a bad habit.

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Hi guys just got back into drawing recently. I wasn't never good but I figured I might as well get some pointers here

>>2913497
rotate and resize

Are there any computer programs for manipulating cubes and human models and other stuff to help with learning perspective? I figure you could probably do it with Blender, but is there something easier with models built in?

>>2913510
Go for Daz3d, built in figures and super easy to create, manipulate and light basic forms. Pretty good rendering as well.

fucking vaginas reee

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>>2913510
Try www.tinkercad.com
I used to use it for 3D printing, currently using it to verify my attempts at form intersections

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>>2913413
how about now?

i think it's too small

>>2913523
Looks okay to me now. The breasts don't, though.

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>>2913525
>The breasts don't, though.
Yeah I wasn't happy with them either but I just left them like that

Thanks for helping me senpai

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Another. Will do as an anon recommended soon with life drawing.

>>2913589
You should up the resolution to 1000 pixels wide so we can see all of your flaws.

>>2913591
I didn't realize how small I made the image until you mentioned it, thank you, will keep in mind for next time.

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do i get to be finished? i know i can clean up the stairs a bit but this is fucking fatiguing. also, thoughts on the patterns on the pillars? i didnt want to leave them blank but im not sure i like how i did them either

>>2913619
Nice one eric. Wondered if I'd see this one again or not

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can you tell she's looking down (slightly)? fug

>>2913630
thanks, believe it or not ive actually been drawing, practicing loomis heads, gestures, and such so this one got put on hold for a bit

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>>2913631
Move the irises down the eye along with pupils. That's all it takes.

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how is this sketch? doing something simple for a gouache landscape cause im not feeling the other thing i was going to do. maybe i should cut off some of the right side and make it more square?

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>>2913700

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Reposting my art from the last thread

>>2913732
blog?

i literally just started drawabox.com and did the "try to draw a straight line" exercise

it was cool bc im still bad at it (obviously) but my ability to draw a straight line consistently improved dramatically from beginning to end over just 2 pages

>>2913794
Don't have one

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>>2913740
>darks aren't dark enough
>lights aren't light enough
>no dark or light accents
>jaw slope
>neck is way too long
>ear is too long, end of ear lobe should line up with base of nose
>nose to jaw short
>eyebrow to hairline short
>ear placement

I recommend Steve Huston's head construction lesson on youtube and drill it or Reilly head abstractions like 10-50 times a day with simple constructions then look at Asaro heads after to study the planes. You have an idea of 3D forms so you're not doing too bad, but you really need those proportions. Pic related should give you a better idea of head structure, good luck, anon.

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>>2913055

>>2913810
>I got good at running by running!
Keep going, anon, it's really fun especially when you start drawing the tanks.

>>2913833
*eyebrow to hairline too tall

>>2913837

thx friend! some day i wanna make a comic and if i ever get there i'll make sure to credit the friendly anonymous person who encouraged me on day one

>>2913842
Day 1? Don't forget that the artist that brings the most tools to the table wins, using a ruler or any other means to make a straight line isn't cheating. None of it is ever cheating and make sure you learn how to take critiques and improve based on what better artists tell you and never take it personally, the faster you learn that, the faster you will progress.

>>2913849

yeah i figured the exercise was less about drawing a perfectly straight line and more about learning generally how to make lines go in the direction you want, but good advice, i'll make sure to remember it!

>>2913852
Screencap it, it'll still be relevant 10 years from now! It's what I wish I could tell myself on day one kek

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Posting some really quick sketches

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>>2913876

>>2913873
>>2913876
>>2913877
Way to go, keep drawing, and try to search new way to make your lines and shadows in comics and other artwork with drawing

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>>2913049
totally fuckd up on this one

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Do these proportions read as a teen?

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Just started Dodson. Here is my picture of feet. First picture I've drawn since art lessons in middle school which were seven years ago. What do you think?

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>>I can't draw woman anymore wtf brain

I tried to work with forms instead of just copying what I see to really construct the models ....Dunno if I succeeded but I tried...

>>2913906
Proportions are off but it's not that bad. Your lines seem pretty wobbly - like you have problems to force yourself not to chicken scratch or something. Try to calm your hand while drawing/draw slower.

>>2913920
Some wonky lines that resemble shoes - give us more, hardly anything to work with.

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>>2913943
thx anon-kun, I'll try that

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I only have understanding of shapes and masses, and somethings here and there, copied this from a berserk cover the other day, I don't really know how I can improve this other than putting more time and finer details.

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>>2913961
the cover I copied

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I'm back again; I made some 5-minute grinds of scenery and drew some more heads; I'm going to read a book on figure drawing and study some more plane-based heads as well as many photographs and environments

For now: this is what I have made today
(The large head has thick lines as I was referencing a marker pen drawing I made onto tissue paper the other day; it was just a warm-up, and these probably all are. I need to get back to work)

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I know somethings off but cant tell what

>>2913961
Learn to read and shrink the fucking picture down to 1k pixels and you might get help

>>2913973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg Watch this and git good.

No really I think it will help you. I like your outside sketches. Something about how you drew the trees is neat.

>>2913993
first off, you made her nose too small

>>2913993
Her mouth is to far on the right and the chin area - nose is too small. her eye expression is completely different from the photo

>>2914010
>>2914014
thank you!

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WHY CAN'T I DRAW STRAIGHT LINES REEEEEEE

I'm drawing from the elbow and my tablet's too small for me to be able to draw from the shoulder, yet my lines are still shite. If I connect the dots 1000s of times, will I get better?

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critique pls.

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>>2913049
Jesus Christ, just fucking kill me already.

>>2914019
It's tricky; you have to correctly draw a straight line more times consecutively than you've drawn lines that aren't straight so that your muscle memory is more inclined towards that mechanical function, right?

>>2914019
practice on paper famalamadingdong

>>2914019
Draw a box strongly recommends drawing on paper so why aren't you doing that?!

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Thoughts?

>>2914041
because he's part of the beginner group that's too impatient to learn their fundamentals traditionally

his type usually stops drawing in 1-2 months when they get frustrated - it's a shame, honestly

>>2913195
The model in the picture

>>2913910

Yeah but waist is too narrow and the shape of the right boob looks weird.

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>>2913732

>>2914077
duno why these lines appeared after resizing

>>2914077
>>2914078
Selection bugged up.
This is great, too dynamic for /beg/

>>2913973
The sketches are fairly well done, as usual. The big head is absolutely bad (uneven eyes, nose, mouth, and chin not aligned, ear too small and too close to the eye, eyes too far up, head outlines, etc), and the others are too small to tell anything. I'd say they're better than the previous ones, but I'd also like to ask: do you live in Mongolia or some other Asian country? There's always something Mongolic about many or most of your heads. Maybe I'm seeing things.

>>2914085
It's a copy after Frazetta. No one on /ic/ can come up with sort of dynamic shape design.

>>2914089
Except Firez

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>>2913050

>>2913833
just say he needs to draw/take into consideration the jaw bone as it connects to the ear. That should solve most of those problems easily.

>>2914074
That makes just two of many anatomy errors in his picture though.

>>2913202
has potential I'd say

>>2914054
Looks very good. Is that on the center a vein? If it is a bone then it is wrong, but if it is a vein, I guess it's ok.

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critique it give your full opinion

>>2914135
>RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
>#1)
>>screenshot the image and post that instead (I recommend ShareX)
>#2)
>>change camera capture settings to something smaller
>#3)
>>send to computer and resize in MSPaint

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>>2914138
thanks man

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>>2913049
Kinda looks like the reference today.

>>2914148
I don't know what this is, but I kinda like it. Very interesting style, but I can't critic it because it's so heavily stylist. Are the different eye sizes on purpose for example? Is it a robot or made out of stone?

>>2914175
the eyes ate different sizes because im not very good at turning heads around :(
I wanted it to be something kind of mechanical but also organic and maybe make him cute

>>2914175
how can i make him better? I liked him as j was making him but somewhere i fucked up and it got rlly bad

>>2914184
No clue - draw more of him - make a full design

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how it look like for 4 month old beginner?

>>2914148
this is cute

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is this sketch/outline OK or is it irredeemably bad?

i can't help but feel like there's something wrong with the crotch area.

>>2914203
Looks shitty, dude. But your understanding of values is halfway ok.

>>2914223
It is horrible, to be honest. Not only the crotch, but everything except the shape and size of the hands. Go learn anatomy. And then draw some gestures to understand body dynamics. After that, you may attempt to draw something like that again.

>>2914223
You should practice line confidence. Don't scratch your drawings out. This pose looks incredibly stiff and I'm not sure what your figure is even doing. The head is much too big for the shoulder width and the shoulders should be pushed back and spread out more. The waist just looks bizarre as well. As >>2914229 said, practice gesture drawings before trying to do something like this. It'll give more more line confidence and better understanding how the body moves.

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>>2914164
Hey that's a pretty good studo you did. I might say that you missed some angles though.

I used the liquify tool on PS to fix that jaw and ear placement. Added some bright spots and added some volume to her right eyebrow/eye. Refined the end of the smile and some hair angles. I'm using a mouse, so I couldn't paint over.

Keep going, ur doing gr8.

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Any critique on shading or hair?

>>2914203
This is pretty bad, please go back to the fundamentals before you teach yourself bullshit.

It's tough love but we just want to help you long term.

>>2914223
I don't get why you just drew the outlines, it looks a lot like a negative space drawing. Did you bade this on a underlying skeleton or some forms? Main problem is the single parts of the body don't fit together and it's really flat.

>>2914243
It's pretty bad. The colours you chose don't look human at all. And the anatomy is pretty bad. Look at the photos OP posted and draw them instead - you are not at the level to draw from imagination without references.

>>2914249
>>fundamentals
What is it?
Drawing a box?!

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2 min gestures, mostly from reference

>>2914256
Is this where you are? http://drawabox.com/lesson/8 I'd suggest looking for other resources and not only one when it comes to such complicated things like anatomy. Here's a lovely video for starters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6-ZvVXuEY

Besides that the anatomy part on drawabox looks really heavily stylized, look for something more neutral. I liked Hampton's book for example.

>>2914267
Looks good - clean lines and pretty good weight distribution.

>>2914069
Is he dead?

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>>2913048
p-please critique my drawing, I posted here before and got ripped to shreds but I think this drawing is better.

>>2914278
Man, no one wants to hurt you on purpose. But this is a bit bland, you hide behind your style, but there is no form, no motion and no dynamic in this picture. Even in such a heavy style, you can add so much depth and motion if you get forms and gestures. Linkes this to another dude already, watch it and generally invest time into gesture drawings and forms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc6-ZvVXuEY

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>>2914239
This one is better, sorry about the first one.

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>>2913048
Trying corel Painter and liking it a lot so far. Want feedback on believable values and edgework

>>2913963
>>2913961
S-s-symbol Drawing Desu

>>2914301
how can you tell just by a glance?

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>>2914278
Me again - decided to draw your character for practice - not really your style, but I hope it helps to bring my point across...

P.s.: Please size your uploads down to 1k resolution.

>>2914305
Because it's fucking obvious. Worst thing you can do is copy another artist, especially if they draw symbols and heavy stylized. If you want to really learn how to draw, draw from real life.

>>2914306
That's really cool. He looks... strange with muscle mass and tone. Thank you for showing me this, I'll try to remember to draw more circles inside next time.

how i fucking envy the guys drawing anime. one straight line for each fucking feature, no form or rendering required, they must be in heaven.

>go to draw self portrait
>cant stand the sight of my own reflection
jej, fucking end me

>>2914306
>rest arm by side
>sever artery in thigh

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First time trying to do clothing, need advice and critique

>>2914330
Tried to copy the original pose

>>2914338
its bad and it has poor flair but the idea is pretty neat
sticky

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comfort zone is fun

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newfag here

Been drawing for about 6 years now and I'm still shit.
I think I did a good job, if not for the potato hands and feet and the chicken scratching.

Here's the ref: http://keepitoff.org/media/documents/article/Jenny_Running.jpg

Show no mercy, thanks.

>>2914026
Way better than I can do, m8. Keep at it.

>>2914372
>I think I did a good job
you need to scrap your pride and start from scratch.

>>2914381
From scratch? What did I do wrong?

>>2914372
The body is great dynamic-wise, but the proportions are kinda fucked. The legs don't show the motion as well as the body (the movement isn't as natural), but not that bad either.
About the proportions/anatomy:
Her thighs are too short (thighs are usually longer than calves);
her arms are TOO long (she could scratch under her knee without bending, which is something only apes can do);
her derriere is a bit flat for a female;
the position of the left arm is dubious;
the right shoulder looks weird;
the head is simply unrealistic, but I wouldn't call it a bad-looking style. You absolutely have to fix the length and shape of the nose along with the upper lip, though.

If I compare the drawing with your reference:
Your head is noticeably taller in relation to the body.
I say it again, the arms are screwed.
The angle is different.

>>2914385
you thought you did a good job

So I keep hearing "draw from your shoulder". But does this apply for shorter lines as well? I usually draw from my elbow and I do way better than shoulder.

I draw mostly on copy paper for practice. Should I use my shoulder more?

>>2914402
>> But does this apply for shorter lines as well?
You may do it, but it is unnecessary for short lines. Still, it helps your getting accustomed to drawing from the shoulder.

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>>2914372
Though you've been drawing for so long it seems like you never delved into forms or construction, you copied the lines your mind created but not the forms of the woman. I'm still trying to get forms right myself - pic related.

I found this that mind help you: https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/think-with-forms-not-lines-take-your-drawing-to-the-next-level--cms-24486

This isn't about anatomy really, more about knowing where and how to put down lines.

>>2914413

Got it, I'll do a page of line practice with shoulder and another with shoulder. Unless someone else reading this thinks that's a bad idea?

I usually use use 3 pages of line practice a day before starting to draw.

>>2914416
Go do science for us Anon

>>2914416
If you do it daily until you get used to drawing from the shoulder and start using the technique in your pictures constantly, it's ok. But if you only plan on doing it once, you'll need many more sheets.

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Am I doing this whole 60 second figure study thing right? I get way too fixated on small details too early in figures and then the whole thing becomes unbalanced so I'm trying to force myself out of that habit. Hands in particular are hard for me to get the form and flow of in 60 seconds.

Don't ask what the fuck is happening on the far right because I'm not even sure.

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>>2914392
Sure anon-kun

>>2914389
I did a shit job at fixing it but thank you very much for your time!

>>2914414
Oh thank you anon! I'll check the link right now. And you are right, I never really practiced form or construction.

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>>2913411
Oh I'm gonna post it, it's just that I got no camera or scanner right now.

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Got bored after making the lips.

>>2914476
reported

>>2914454
Yup, that's better. Although I think the redline took away a bit of dynamic, but whatever.
(>>2914389)

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Decided to not be a little shit and finish it. All criticisms have no corresponding johns.

>>2914493
I trai anon <3

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>Go to sleep

>Have a dream
>I am in FZD School
>Studying under Feng Zhu
>It' just 2 students, a hot teacher and him
>Taking lessons in a decrepit, creepy old warehouse in city of eternal night
>I keep trying to do Constructions but I fail
>No matter how hard I try I fail
>Feng tries to help for a long time I just keep failing
>He starts to ran out of patience
>I can hear him talk with other teachers about me having to leave
>Everyone else is improving while I stay behind
>Own of my own deformed constructions tells me to quit

>Wake up

Fuck, senpai. I have not woke up this unmotivated to work in months.

>>2914528
stop masturbating

>>2914528
nice blog

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>>2913049
>>2913050
Nice
Nice

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>>2914298
More corel painter stuff, no ref this time

>>2914148
What do i do to draw shit like this, it looks so cool.

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>>2913114
dude I get on these thread almost every day and I just feel bad for you man, please get some help I want to see you make it, do some model drawings or gesture their fun I've done almost 50 of them and I feel great

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>all this practice and im still shit

I just want to know how to draw cute and/or sexy girls for my own satisfaction. Any tips on either of those specifically?

>>2914617
you have to git gud
become >>2914600 tier

when you realise that even loomis doesnt draw every line of the lips.

>>2914600
>all this shit and you still practice

>>2914654
what do you mean?

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>>2914663
even loomis stylises the lips to an extent. its not far away from pic

>have very little trouble drawing clean, even lines on paper
>digital drawings look like shaky wobbly ass

why

>>2914677
well, at some point it's a matter of detail. the drawing from this pic could be the base for a very realistic painting.
where is that pic from btw?

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hey guys lmao beginner here
havent read the sticky yet, couldnt be bothered :DDDD
heres my first ever work since i was 8 (2 months ago) ;X
pls rate lmao :D

>>2914686
Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade
yeah since its an animation, they have to make some efficiency decisions, i've never seen any animanga thing with lips. as i said even loomis himself omits some lines of the lips. im not sure any artist can consistently draw full lips without them looking dumb. can you cite any?

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>>2914338
Went over it again and tried to fix some stuff, it's still bad but I think it's a little better

>>2914708
left's facial expression is better in the first. balder is purer which fits the situation better

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Something is off other than the hands and feet.
Can someone point it out to me?

>>2914713
Yeah I wasn't sure if should have left her bald or not, on one hand it's purer but it also implies that she shaves which is kind of naughty and implies that she's sexually active. Agreed on the expression as well she looks a bit too dead in the new version

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>>2914690
if you don't read the sticky, you don't deserve any help. Sorry kid.

>>2914717
Tiny baby legs
Tits are flat like pancakes
Bad head and neck
Lack of anatomical knowledge is apparent

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>>2914697
>Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade
ah, so that's where the 'why are we attacking our own forces?' 4chan-banner is from, I always liked that one.

>can you cite any?
maybe Katsuya Terada, his girl portraits always have prominent lips I think.
>im not sure any artist can consistently draw full lips without them looking dumb
it has to fit with the rest of the drawing. there's usually a shadow where the lips meet and under the middle of the lower lip, so lines there will look fine, but the rest of the lips blends softly into the face.
>omits some lines of the lips
it's not like there are actual lines on the face. and for a successful drawing, it is as important to know what to leave out, as it is to know what to draw.

>>2914723
its actually a famous painting by professional, albert marquet

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>>2914741
Yeah, we understand that the point of your post was to get someone to say its shit, and then you get to say
>its actually a famous painting by professional, albert marquet
Do something better with your time.

>>2914717
>>2914724
Im drunk heres a redline
Learn to construct using boxes and forms

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>>2914724
>>2914753
Thanks. Those are starting to stand out a lot more now that they were pointed out.
I constructed with boxes. (loosely and pretty bad)
Thanks for the redline.

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It's going better than I thought, any major flaws im missing?

>>2914753
>that pelvis
Is it really that high?

>>2914775
You should really just draw a bunch of boxes since you dont seem to be able to construct them effortlessly yet
You're trying to create complex forms like hands without properly forming the simple shapes that they are made from

Just make sure youre not getting ahead of yourself, the basics are invaluable

>>2914780
No, the cone is more of a base i start with and then carve the pelvis out of, i shouldve erased to be more legible.
The important line is the curve crossing the mons pubis

>>2914782
Thanks, I need to be reminded of that more often.
I also need to be more patient,

>>2914441

you seem to be getting the gist, i guess the point of doing them is to understand form and 3D mass quicker, honestly i'd just suggest to do some gesture studies, work more on circular shapes and the "feel" of movement. >vilppu

>>2913048
i've wondered this for a while: when the hell did portrait studies get shilled so much in /beg/ threads? from the looks of it oftentimes 80% of these guys wouldn't even be able to render basic geometric forms, much less rudimentary still lives, to the degree necessary to do portrait value studies and be getting anything instructional from it. telling beginners they need to study more anatomy or loomis before they can even properly render (or even draw well) a white cylinder is a mistake.

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>want to go all in on an art career because I love it so much
>worried about what women who I date will think
>worried about if I can get a quality woman if I can barely support a family with the shitty artist's income/freelance work

Am I alone in this feel?

>>2914801
You misunderstand the point of portrait studies completely, they are a time-honored beginner's subject. You needn't have any knowledge of construction or anatomy in order to copy an image 1:1.
The entire point is to teach the absolute novice how to see "properly" and use their eyes to draw what is there and not what their untrained brain tells them is there. From there you move onto simple forms and values, and continue into complex forms and lighting

>>2914816
If she cares how much money you make and judges you for being an artist, shes not somebody you want to be with, much less start a family with.
Also, some artists are filthy rich so there's that

>>2914821
>ywn be as rich as Feng Zhu and be able to hire women

>>2914816
a woman who doesn't care about your passions ain't quality enough for ya mate

it helps to think about the fact that you're gonna die one day and this is your last chance to live your life how you want.

>>2914821
its not sensible to raise a family on low income

>>2914818
time-honored since when, 2010? no foundational book i've ever come across - not only the west but also the libraries of the chinese and russian teachers i've studied under - has ever recommended doing something so stupid. why can't you learn to "see properly" with geometric forms? like i said, a majority of people in /beg/ can't even replicate an ellipse in perspective, much less some arrangement of cubes and spheres on a table, without running to PS gimmicks.

>>2914816
>prioritizing what women care about
this is how you never make it in anything. your art career isn't going to wake up one morning and decide to get a divorce. your gains won't run off to another dude with a better salary.

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painting this thing for a personal project of mine. There's gonna be a boat on the right to balance out the composition, but I wanted to get some opinions on what I've got so far. I think it might be too saturated, and maybe overall too messy

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This is literally I can draw, everything I draw just seems so bad even shapes and shading or anything that a normal person can draw

>>2914864
Meant to say Literally all I can draw*

>>2914864
>>2914865
What's your point? You trying to say something? That we're better than you? Yes we are. Okay, now what do you want to draw?

>>2914866
I'm not really in the whole art career, but my life is really boring so I'd like to draw simple things without it looking like a 4 year old's shitty crayon drawing.

>>2913114
2002 called, it wants it's art back

>>2914875
>>2914591
>>2913320
>>2913268
>>2913143
>/ic/ is this full of it
ok I'm just going to assume you've haven't asked what software and tools this anon is using

that or...

>>2914880
>this anon
why are you pretending it isnt you

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>>2914883
because it's not
pic related is how bad I am

>>2914892
why are you even on a tablet at this point

>>2914894
b-because I am?

>>2914086
I actually live in Britain, but looking at some Mongolians I can see what you mean. Thanks for the critique; I always appreciate those

>>2914816
Don't worry Anon I 've supported my hubby for years now. I make decent money so I had him try to achieves his goals. Want to be a StarCraft2 pro? Fine but at least cook dinner while I'm at work. Want a higher education? Okay go to school again - but vacuum the house first.

As long as he keeps the household clean I don't care.

>>2914919
Is this post a cry for help

>>2914919
>tfw women these days don't understand like this anon
Why don't they get it?!

>>2914923
No it's a "Not all women care for money" explanation. As long as we are happy and things work out who cares who earns the money. Don't talk to redpillers Anon they'll mess with your brain.

Every time I post something positiv around here (I do sport everyday, I worked on my disciplin, I overcame my depression with therapy and my lovely husband) you depressing fucks call this bait and obvious lies cause no fucking person in the history of autism ever stuck to their principles and actually bettered themself.

Especially in /beg/ the cynism is strong.

>>2914924
Wtf does this even mean?

>>2914927
you might find a woman who doesnt care about money but i still feel its not correct to raise a family in poverty.

How do I cure symbol drawing? I've read the sticky and books but those make me completely mechanical and lost reason to draw, burn out in 2 min.

Otherwise, I symbol draw.

I'm severely depressed just so you know, to a point where my mind is numb like a dried lemon or something,
pretty much why I'm bothering with this.

Anyone else with depression kept trying and got better, or in the process of learning?

>>2914941
Im in college, bored out of my mind and I suffer from depression, I'm learning to draw by just drawing shapes and hopefully that develops into something.

It's soothing to distract myself with drawing random shit

>>2914927
>dont talk to redpillers theyll mess with your brain
>dont listen to the truth its scary and will mess up your cozy fantasy worldview

Good advice

>>2914946
>implying there are such a thing as truths
You probably think the earth is round too.

>>2914945
>I suffer from depression
fucking numale self diagnosed kike cancer kill your self

>>2914959
What the fuck did you eat today?

>>2914927
>no fucking person in the history of autism ever stuck to their principles and actually bettered themself.
yes

>>2914945
Then you don't want to be here. If you want more and want to get better come back but if it's just therapy seriously don't come here. Enjoy your doodles and relax.

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the mouth seems so hard

how to put teeth in perspective

>>2915026
i can't recall ever seeing a fully drawn set of teeth that didn't look off-putting. theres a reason most artists use a representation of what teeth look like.

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is everything on this reading okay? i think the clouds might be shit, but what about the cliffs, islands, waves etc

>>2915085
Right now I'm only looking at the highest contrast point which would be the sun on the very left side of the image. Then my eyes follow the rays and bash against the first dude an get stuck there or bounce out of the frame.

This is a terrible composition - guide my eye to the center damnit.

Does it matter (quality-wise) whether I draw in 72 dpi or 300 dpi?

>>2915085
I know almost nothing about the composition, but I think that something must be done about the mountains in the background. And it's a bit hard to tell the scale too. The rocks in the sea look the same as those... uh, beings on the beach. My first impression was "undead fishing trash in the sewers", thanks to your unnaturally smooth-looking cliffs.

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>>2913049
Well, I've tried.

>>2915096
fuck i see what you mean. maybe if darken the light area a bit it will even things out and your focus will naturally continue to the right?

>>2915097
im not sure about the mountains, maybe the dont fit in with the perspective? as for the scale, everything is supposed to be fuck huge, hence the little boats and small dock area in the middle. yeah i still have to push the detail on a lot of things like the cliffs, they are looking a lot better than they were before

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>>2913050
reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>2915120
Made a blogpost about this some time ago - maybe it helps, just take the 30 minutes out of your day to watch the videos:

Composition and framing:
A good video that shortly explains how to guide the eyes with composition and framing: youtu.be/1McYZX6KScg

We can additionally look at other art forms for more help on framing - movies and photos - in the end - also try to convey emotions to the viewer and try to guide their eyes. Here's a simple list of different shots we can apply to our drawings: www.mediacollege.com/video/cam…

Another amazing video on composition and framing: youtu.be/CvLQJReDhic

This fine man does a great job explaining contrast in a few minutes: youtu.be/l1kkU-sMwHM

General rule: We automatically look at the highest contrast point! So if you want to underline especially ( for example) the eyes in your drawing - shade the eyelashes/ pupil/ eyelids a tad bit darker than anything else in your painting. Combined with the white of the eye, the eyes will become the focal point of your drawings!

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What are the comfiest brushes to sketch with ?
I dicked around with PS stock waterbrush round and it felt good.

My anatomy is shit but that's another plate.

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does the head look right/attached to the body in pic related? I started with drawing the torso and previously I had trouble attaching the head without making it look weird. Since I didnt start with the head it took me a lot of erasing to get the proportions non awful too.

also general critique would be awesome

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2nd weekfag here. i rolled in the towergirl thread and got moth princess. is this worth playing with (shadow, color, etc.) or should i scrap it? i hate the way the tiara looks (i dont think i rounded it enough and its uneven) and i feel like the breasts are off somehow. theres a lot of little things that i dont think work that well. any more specific criticisms someone could give me?

>>2914118
Yeah, it's a vein. I needed something to give it a volume so I went the "extra mile" when rendering my vein there

>>2915185
i mean... you put time into it but anyone can tell you didn't really study, just threw together some ideas and shit. I mean for one that's not how shoulder blades work. The neck is whack but I don't know if that was intentional or not. Same with the head shape, it just doesn't look like a 3d form

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>>2915192
youre right of course and the whole thing needs to be completely reconstructed from better fundie principles. just for quick feedback- i adjusted the placement of the proboscus. does this help the shape of the face in your opinion?

>>2915182
Bro this is... sigh... The neck really isn't the problem here. Everything is. Try to look into the Houston video on heads for starters, then look into gesture drawings by Vlippu, then learn how to look at a picture and draw what you see. This is rubbish.

>>2915203
Is this bait? C'mon anon that's ridicilus - go in the fucking FAQ and start using some resources to learn! There is nothing to save in this picture!

>>2915203
not really, the problem with the head is that it's not a form, think like a 3d shape. Our heads are like spheres or football shaped. You have to think of it as drawing a combination of these. Go look at a cup, you don't draw it has a flat image, you think of it has a cylinder and you shape it as you see fit. See what i'm getting at?

Try to draw the head of your drawing as a standalone 3d shape and you'll see how silly it looks.

>>2915209
>>2915205
these replies are the reason why i almost never go here anymore, sure people have problems but this doesnt help at all. the guy who drew the fly lady thing has a shitty drawing yeah and he needs to read loomis yada yada but he tried at least

>>2915209
this is completely unhelpful

New to drawing. Hit the sticky, working on deliberately practicing one subskill at a time. I'm working on my construction - is there any exercises I ought to consider doing alongside still lifes? I was thinking about doing more sketching to learn how to do it more on the fly.

>>2915212
Thanks for the advice man. Ive been doing loomis and dodson, I just wanted to put an idea on paper before i go crazy drawing more old man heads and cubes.

>>2915226
i feel you and i would agree to balance it out with things you really wanna do and also proper studies.

ctrlpaint has good videos on constructing shapes and shit

>>2915212
I did all the redlines in this thread, I nicely commented to at least 10 people. I provided all the links to resources videos etc.. . seriously I don't get why ppl can't scroll up and come to he conclusion that these basic things are directed to them as well and they simply might start to use the fucking resources given. Maybe I was a bit too harsh in my latest replies but the ignorance is insane.

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>>2915233

>>2915234
Some anons in /beg/ can be pretty frustrating

This summer I start drawing for real and getting my shit together. I want to focus on line weight, and dynamic/dramatic figures. I think I need to be learning from comic book artists and one essential classic art book. What books do you recommend, I was thinking of getting Force and Fun with a Pencil.

>>2915245
Check the youtube channel of Alphons Dunn - if you like his style he hass a book with some techniques described. i bought it some time ago and though not perfect it helped me a lot to draw better lines and so on.

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>>2915233
Redline this as well pls

esp the figure on the right - I am incapable of making it look right

>>2915254
Can't I'm at work. The one on the left isn't too bad really - the character feels floaty - try to give him some weight. http://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-balanced-poses/

Besides that the hip of the person on the right is too small. And again weight distribution is a huge issue. That's why the character seemingly looks weird.

You could give him a bit more shoulder mass on the left shoulder. Try to work on your character's stance - think about the position of the feet relative to each other. The right leg on the right guy is much shorter than on the left leg.

>>2915234
I'm an autistic anon 10% and a helpful one the rest of the time. I allow myself this much retardiness.

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Critique please.

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>>2915099
I'm not a digital painter or anything but I made some corrections to your drawing to help you nail it down. You're very close, you just need to commit and create some depth with some line darkening and really look at the image to see the obvious defects, like the misaligned pupils and odd jaw line etc. etc.

I didn't fix the lips for you but I drew in red a better starting point for them.

Looks good so far, the beauty of working digitally is you can keep fixing it. So keep fixing it.

help me I think my drawing have not improved since years ago

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>>2915282
forgot pic

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>>2915182
A good tip would be to lower the opacity of your source image and lay your figure over it to compare the differences. I did it for you in red here, you can immediately see what you need to correct.

If you're a beginner, start with the head. but first learn the gesture, do a bunch of quick exercises to learn the form and proportions.

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>>2915259
More space for the hip, more mass on the left shoulder and I tried to adjust the right leg

Thanks for replying.

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>> draw ur idea
>> realize you'll never have a chance to hold hands with your beautiful 2D waifu like that
>> become so depressed that you're barely able to finish even the lineart

Shiiiiieeeeeeeet...

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dynamic posing.

>>2915320
Onnanoko kawaii desu /)°3°/) ~ desu desu

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>>2913049
wipp

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Stale and simple continuation from yesterday
(All imagination, so there wasn't any references; maybe a bit of inspiration from the people who were around me)
>>2913973
I don't expect people to give me feedback; I'm just posting daily

>>2914009
Also thank you for this; I will properly sit down to this and try to understand it sometime soon

>>2915320
Fundies, my dude.

>>2915363
I'll continue to give you feedback anyway, either until you learn to draw humans better than me or until I get fed up with this place.

Most of the frontal skull views look really good, but you keep repeating your mistakes when drawing 3/4 heads:
1) Uneven eyes;
2) The space between the eyes is too wide;
3) Even though the placement of the ear is alright, the back of the head goes too far back. I say it again, the back of the cranium goes behind the ear until you view it from an angle of more than 60 (relative to the front). The jaw is actually longer than you think, many beginners get caught in this trap.

Observe necks IRL as well. Their form, where the outlines are in different views, the location of the Adam's apple.

The skulls in views other than frontal look bad, unfortunately. Even so, your small heads look more human than before (not including the alien dude with the torso) due to properly done faces, but you have to seriously work on the shape of your craniums. Generally speaking, they have less length and height than a beginner might think.

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Like it?
Hate it?

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>>2914589

>>2915376
I'd say that the texture looks good, but there's not enough contrast to tell the parts apart and the neck doesn't look good at all, so... a mixed opinion.

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>>2913906
Here is what happens if you add value and tweak some of your symbol drawing into more of a representation of your source (I tried to keep it looking like something you could achieve right now by just taking a second go at it). You're almost there, you just have to start at the basics and look at examples of facial structure.

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How do you use guide lines in a sphere? I'm wondering if there are more variations or are they just ellipses starting from one end of the circle.

>>2915375
Thank you again; I'll try and push through these critical issues

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>>2915377
And the mans ass

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How's this

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>>2913055
>havent been able to sit down and draw properly since christmas
Feels bad man, I keep losing progress.

Anyways, this is a crap question but does anyone have any book recommendations for constructing humans?

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>>2914054
Made another drawing today, this time of an elephant figurine I have

>>2914831
then don't be a low income artist? Git gud

>>2915641
art isnt about money, if you make it about money then you'll lose something precious

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Do you sometimes fuck something up when trying to copy a reference photo and just run with it?

>>2915650
I give up and move on to the next reference

>>2915650
Run with it usually

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>>2915376

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What's a good way to measure better on the very first layer

>>2914590
find me on instagram @hembroger

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>>2913055
Am I cool yet?

>>2915299
ahh yeah i see.

isnt it hard to figure out proportions without some sort of guide? Like using the head. I experimented with starting with a gesture before but while the gesture was kind of OK, the proportions were totally wrong and I had to spend a lot of time correcting it

>>2915692
Reminds me of Lancer from Fate.

I dunno, I draw by my eye now, but one can use rulers or round brush sizes to check the proportions.

>>2915161
thanks for the lnks, ill definately watch them soon. ill probably just get rid of that opening all together and the whole sky area will be more cohesive

>>2915161
will review these tomorrow. thanks for sharing.