/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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applying what i learned from studies in an imagination thing

I'm new to this whole artfaggery bullshit and all so I gotta ask...

When I see those "draw it again" memes, does it really take 3 years to improve slightly? Or are they just retards?

>>2915784
In drawing, a person improves with each stroke to be honest. What you call "slightly" is really thousands of incremental improvements which is what we're doing all the time. Just very small increments to try and reach that giant goal. It's very subjective when looking at others because you can't tell what's going on in their mind. It makes more sense when you actually draw and realize just how many things you find out along the way and how books, people and just about every resource can't tell you a lot of stuff you learn.

>>2915784
everyone improves at their own pace

focus on putting in 100% effort every day and you'll get out of it what you put in

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>>2915787
>>2915788

I get what you're saying anon, and I'm serious here I'm new to this shit. But is this really 4 years worth of learning?

If you actually focus on this does it go faster? I don't think I wanna get into this if that's all I'm going to be able to put out after 4 years...

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>>2915790
It is for that person. It might not be for another. It's super subjective.

You improve at your own pace, worrying about speed will only slow you down.

It is true though, drawing is no joke. A lot of struggles and not for everyone. So figure out if you really want it or not.

>>2915790
they probably didnt take art seriously as you're thinking of taking it

but honestly if something like this is potentially off-putting then i dont think art would be a good fit for you anyway lmao

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I'm having lots of trouble with attaching the legs to the pelvis properly. Here's an example: her right leg is absolutely broken, but i can't figure out how to fix it. Mind sharing some advice?

>>2915802
B O X E S
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also your proportion is shit

>>2915796
>they probably didnt take art seriously as you're thinking of taking it
I'm a neet, I can put as much time as needed.

>>2915795
Jesus Christ that kid could draw better than 90% of deviantart when he was 11.

>>2915795
> 2008, inspired by Larry Elmore's paintings
> 2009, inspired by weaboo shits

Another kind soul lost to animu.

>>2915809
NEETs always think it's the time but really it's the effort. They wouldn't be a NEET in the first place had they put in the effort.

>>2915813
Fucking nailed it

>>2915813
>>2915816
All these psychiatrists in here. Here I thought being a NEET had more to do with social anxiety than being lazy.

>>2915818
It could be both. I'm a neet and I'm more lazy and """"""""""""""""social anxiety"""""""""""""""" is a myth.

>>2915818
People who are actively handling their social anxiety generally aren't neetcucks. Hence the effort part.

>>2915819
>""""""""""""""""social anxiety"""""""""""""""" is a myth
Yeah, we're done.

>>2915820
>People who are actively handling their social anxiety generally aren't neetcucks. Hence the effort part.
Yep, that's how it works.

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The hands are really really bad

>>2915831
The feet are worse.

>>2915806
Did go with boxes in the construction, it's when i go for the bone+flesh that i have trouble.

ofc proportions are fucked it's cartoony i tried to play with the correct proportions. Legs are off tho, way too long

>>2915833
I didn't even try. I don't know how to do it. I tried drawing, I tried painting first, I tried just scratching whatever and working around it but I can never do it at least recognizable

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>Try copying eyes from photos
>End up drawing eyes that are bigger than the actual thing

Also sometimes eyelashes seem to fuck up how i perceive a drawing. How can I get over that? Also drawing them too but that's the least of my concerns right now, just the eyes and eyelids.

I'm also drawing only with a pen since it's more punishing for mistakes and restating when necessary but I'm not sure if this is the best approach.

>>2915841
have you tried studying vanderpoel? that helped me a lot with eyes

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Showing off dynamic posing.

>>2915902
>actually taking advice and executing it
Impressive.

>>2915902
its cute and all but have you actually read the sticky?

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Alright I can't draw for shit I'll post this and be done with it.

>>2915912

No one ever reads the fucking sticky, especially when the links are kinda shit in general anyways.

>>2915923
we need to rework the sticky to be more like /fit/'s, its quite poor as it is now.

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Trying to apply to somthing fun, feedback so far on values? I think the construction was okay

>>2915928
saved

>>2915922
Anon, you're gonna make it.

Just as soon as you figure out how to post images without them being tilted 90 degrees.

>>2915924

Even /fit/'s could be improved a lot, simplified and made easily digestible even for a brain dead idiot.

The /ic/ sticky could be god-tier easily if we pooled out our knowledge together.

It could easily kick the ass of any art school curriculum program along with said art teachers, or college professors back to kingdom come.

It's a damn shame that /ic/ as a whole is rather jadded and broken, though that is what drives some to quicker improvements. Not so much /ic/ as a hug box coming together, but as a community to improve the board, threads and improvements.

>>2915936
>>2915902

>A lot of new artists believe they have “style” because they are drawing in a unique and special way. Stop it. You aren’t a special snowflake. There's a difference between a veteran having a style and a newbie having one: the veteran is aware of what he is stylizing and why, and you are just wasting paper. You need to understand the fundamentals to stylize properly.

It's in the sticky.

>>2915936
we need a dedicated effort to clean if up and not have it hosted on fucking google docs.

basic sections such as:
"im a complete beginner, what do i do for the first 2 months" that links you to, keys, drawabox, right side maybe and the other 3d space exercises.
"figure section" that has villpu, hampton, the relevant youtube vids etc
"heads/portraits" that is loomis and variants
then the different mediums like cntrl+paint for digital then rendering sutff for paint and pencil

at the beginning it has that video that tells you to draw 6 hours a day if you want to git gud.
i think in theory it should have very little original content save for a brief mention of concepts such as symbol drawing, 3d space, realism then style. it should mostly link to professionals talking about things rather than have fucking nosebro explain them.

opinion me

>>2915951
Nosebro didn't change the explanations for a lot of them. Most of them are /ic/ original.

>>2915952
>/ic/ original
not good enough imo, could be broscience, not relevant enough or poorly understood. better to have pros explain the ideas.

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>>2915945

LOL!

Regardless, the sticky is still absolute shit.

>>2915951

Agreed.

If a group of anon's dedicated their time to actual having a complete overhaul of it, it would be the shinning glory of /ic/.

I would also recommend sections regarding the basic of the most basic drawing and building up from there as well.

Draw-a-box does that well and then leading to Right Side and then moving onto something a little more in depth. Perhaps onto basic b/w values and how and where to apply them.

A good section on color theory and color application would be nice too.

>>2915945
>>2915960

Btw I am not the one who drew that.

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>>2915963

>>2915960
correct, proper physical form would be in the complete beginner section. colour theory, goes in too, after the very basics. values are in at about drawabox, in that topic we should pick the best lessons and maybe stop after animals.

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alright i ended up doing the opposite of what i said id do. i made the break in the clouds bigger and so theres even more contrast. then i made it go further past the middle so the eye is drawn there. now the opening in the sky plus the cliff face literally make an arrow pointing right. is this an improvement to the comp? (did this right after watching the FZ vid)

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didn't get any help in the drawthread so reposting here:

what can i improve on for the future? the lighting conditions changed slightly as i did this over a few sessions, so more obvious stuff like the different lengths of form shadow and highlight placement on the pomegranate, or the brightness of the pepper reflection i'm aware of.

this is about two months in of muh serious practice, dunno if this is reasonable progress. plan to do a couple more of these before trying portraits, figures, and acrylics.

a few q's: will painting color/value studies irl help with digital rendering? i feel like it should be easier going into digital.

also, how do you guys approach planning out values? any good books on this? how would you approach this: for example on the pomegranate there's a clear reflection of the cloth and the "reflection" of its own cast shadow... do you just approach it as if it were a matte surface first and only use halftones, and erase later?

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Character idea for a comic i might be doing soon...Figured I'd post it and try to get some advice?

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>>2915996

>>2915996
the pepper is a tad off. look at the top visible circle of it.

beyond that, choose more interesting subject matter and more detailed rendering. you are better than /beg/

>>2915960
I wanna talk about this more.

Draw-a-box into Right Side.
B/W values and how/where to apply them.
Color theory and application.

Then what? An intermediate section? What about digital art? Digital painting is an entirely different ballgame from canvas painting.

>>2916015
Aguri's Guide already covers the steps. Just take a look at it.

>>2916017
>Aguri's Guide

The what?

>>2916015
complete beginner section (forgot to mention add perspective rules)
then separate sections dedicated to certain more advanced topics, figures, heads, advanced perspective. to be tackled in any order.
then medium specific (digital/pencil/paint) such as cntrlpaint which handles digital painting.

i think

>>2916018
https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E06DB73ECC23E4EF!679&ithint=file%2codt&app=Word&authkey=!AD8ifQUs5NTi40Y

>>2916020
>one drive dot live
why is the world like this? why didnt you use mega? why do people like you exist?

>>2916015

I like i t.

I think digital art should come later on after traditional drawing practices and exercises, I believe heavily in the meme that starting on traditional works is better up to the point of b/w value. Learning color would be better suited towards digital painting, as irl can be messy, expensive and time consuming.

Thinking of this from an ergonomic, financial and practical viewpoint. Most people can grab a shitty ole' #2 pencil and some printer paper and begin immediately. Though even in today's world, not everyone has access to a personal computer or the resources for a Wacom immediately and I would recommend they grind the basics to see if they want to actually invest further in time and resources and effort into actual drawing.

>Bedrock foundations: Complete Beginner Section: (Basic of the most basic, lines, shapes, etc.)(Beginning of Draw-A-Box comes to mind and beyond that)
>

>>2916019

That doesn't sound too bad.

I think the medium specific should start off on pencil as I noted above.

There should also be links online straight to Amazon for certain needed books and basic tools.

>>2916023
i think those amazon links are unnecessary. you can just google the name of the book if you dont want to pirate, the best/cheapest tool to buy will change over time and is subjective, linking to amazon com only works for burgers.

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I'm glad we're having this discussion and all, but as a logical-minded person (and I'm sure most of you are as well) I don't tend to see art as some fancy fuckin' magical shit you "draw out of you" or "learn to tune into" or whatever other decorative language artfags use to describe their learning process.

I just want the cold hard skills required to draw well from a technical perspective. Some of us just want to draw for our jobs/vocations and don't want to create masterpieces in the fart world.

Maybe if you guys reorganize this sticky, you can put a little something for people that don't think with their vaginas??? I like all the art book recommendations but I just can't read past the first chapter when the author honestly believes he's tapping into some otherworldly power because he can draw.

>>2916031
the fuck?
no-one talked like that, we were all very reasonable and objective about it. seeing shadows where there are none.

>>2916031
ngmi

>>2916035
I'm not talking about you guys, which is why I said I'm sure most of you are logical-minded.

I'm talking about the books that are recommended. They're often full of that rhetoric about art being some mystic shit.

>>2916037
wut

>>2916038
just skip it if you dont like it.
skip right side because i've heard that is the worst for that kind of thing.

Does anyone have a ref with many different poses in one image? As in, it's a single model striking many different poses, collected into one large image.

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Made this for Kaede's birthday.

>>2916050
listen mate if you arent trying to improve your fundamentals then you shouldnt be posting here.

>>2916050
You work fast.

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>>2916048
Basically something like pic related. In fact if anyone knows what or where I can get collections of such images I'd be very grateful!

>>2916050
How does this guy never improve? Are you seriously just doing this to troll us?

>>2916055
If you have a problem with me come confront me on my tumblr, it's dreamlagoon.tumblr.com

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>>2916056
Guys I'm new, is this a troll?

Is he trolling me? Or is he serious?

>>2916058
Who gives a fuck if he doesn't want to improve or not? Some people don't want to and they don't make it. Focus on yourself.

>>2915996
The pepper should be casting a shadow and reflection on the pitcher. That part looks flat. The pitcher should have a cast shadow beneath it. It looks like it's floating.

Your values are too light compared to the reference. Since your subjects have reflective surfaces, you should increase the contrast to emphasize the brightness of the highlight and the darkness of the shadows. Your highlights should look like they're glowing in your drawing.

If you look at how your drawing reads from the thumbnail, it looks too light. Not enough contrast to make the objects pop more.

Other than that, the eggplant is looking great. Your rendering is nicely done. The blending is so so, there are some rough patches like on the pepper it looks very sketched out.

The issue with rendering reflectiveness is something you'll just have to play around with.

>pomegranate
That's definitely a tomato. lol

>>2916058
Some people just want to draw because it's fun and enjoyable.

>>2916062
neck yourself

>>2916062
>>2916065
That about sums it up. Also congrats on defending yourself by pretending to be someone elese.

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>>2916062
If he wants to draw because it's "fun and enjoyable" why is he in the beginner thread specifically designed to improve?????????

Answer me that Mr. Smartydick.

>>2916068
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2915902
this look better than your other stuff did you do the figure and gesture drawings I told you to?

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>>2916068
>>2916062

>>2916072
why are you even bothering to help someone who doesn't want to be helped

he's here for attention and is going to stay until he stops getting it

>>2916083
but it actually helped

>>2916084
Did it? He just drew the same shit he always draws but with a (very) slightly different pose.

>>2916062
Drawing is not fun and enjoyable judging from these replies?

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>>2916096

>>2916098
Nice Reddit image, ya fucking idiot.

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>>2916099

Fuck, dubs confirms it, but I got it from here though.

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>>2915831
reposting with the fat face which should go along it

I'm fairly good at drawing from life and reference now, but I still feel like it's just copying. Wat do?

does anyone remember that method of finding a certain number of equal intervals on a plane in perspective? i think it was loomis i read it in but i cant find it.

>>2916136
isnt that in scott robertson?

>>2916136
You mean the standard rectangle extension (as it is in most perspective guides) or something different?

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I've only been doing digital stuff for a little bit.

>>2916145
yeah, think its that one.
can you screenshot it and post or just explain if its simple enough. i cant remember what it was or find it again.

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I've been trying to draw hands based on Michael Hampton's book Design and Invention, but... I just don't get the shapes that he proposes.

When I look at references to practice I can't help but see a different, less-blocky shape from which the hand should be drawn from, and I feel that the way he teaches how to draw fingers is inefficient and makes them look too shapey.

Should I stick with it and keep the practice or should I just continue with the book and learn how to draw hands from another artist later? The part where Hampton teaches hands feels really rushed compared to other parts of the body in the book.

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>>2916149
Hampton's hand section is a shitty ripoff of Hogarth's hand lessons, so you can look to him instead to see it more clearly. The thing with hands though is that they're really difficult to draw and the nuances of them need to be super exaggerated in teachings in order for you to learn it. Then you once you know it you can apply the knowledge in a more subtle way. I like Bridgman for hands, but he also has a blocky approach. If you don't like that then maybe look at some asian artists and how they treat it, like 0033 for example (pic related).

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>>2916151
not the one i was looking for.
what im thinking of is:
you have pic related. you want to get 5 equally spaced separations making 6 segments of equal size. you want precisely 5 to fit onto that plane.

i know it exists, i read it somewhere before but cant remember or find it.

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>>2916156
I see, it was 2 further.

>>2916154
>Hogarth

Looking through the library I found his books, they kinda seems like a better version of Hampton's books, I'll probably read them once I'm finished with him, thanks for the recomendation, anon.

>>2916162
thanks lad

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>>2916083
it just make me sad every time I see his stuff,
it was funny at first but now it depressing, if he can improve just a little id feel like maybe we can all make it if we try

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>>2915695
morning warmup, quite shit

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I feel like I fucked this up Really badly. Mostly her eyes being totally fucking wonky, (pupils different directions etc) And the bottom most curve of her lips should line up with the crest of her upper lip/be wider.

The biggest two things I didn't highlight that I really want to get past are her Nose and Her jaw/chin.

Anyone have a better redline they could do?

(Note: this is not a finished thing, I was just doing this as a practice sketch for a watercolor painting I want to do of her this week. She is my gf so would like to not shit it up entirely.)

>>2916061
thanks a lot for the pointers.

about the eggplant - i feel like i cheated the form by emphasizing the 'turning' of the planes with hella dark halftones, if you get what im saying. this is something we're more or less supposed to do, right? i feel like if i had copied it exactly as it looks it'd be flatter.

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>>2916195

>>2916207
Common is it that bad? Also I left a lot of detail open because I am going to be painting it later. (And yes I fell for the eyelashes meme but common)

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Reviews, and whether it is worth continuing?
:/

>>2915693
absolute beginner question

how much is supposed to be from the shoulder? I'm supposed to have a locked wrist?

Are there physical exercises (eg hand strengthener) I can do for better control?

>>2916223
at this point since it's for your girlfriend, she'd probably love anything you'd do of any quality so it wouldn't matter

>>2916195

Grid might help since you don't have the skill to actually freehand sketch things.

>>2915790
>If you actually focus on this does it go faster? Yes it does.
I've done daily drawing for like 4 months and I was even worse than the 2011 drawing before I started. I've already surpassed this persons 2015 drawing.
The key is to learn fundamentals and then apply them to drawing from reference. Thus person probably only draws from imagination, and only draws once every 2 weeks, that's why their improvement is so awful.

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>>2916195

disclaimer - I'm a beg too so don't blame me if your gf dumps me

>>2916234
Your arm is a tool and there is no rules.

Draw from the shoulder when it makes sense, like when you're drawing big or want long somewhat straight line and is too lazy to get a ruler, experiment figure out what works for you.

For a exercise you can do a page or 4 with circles/ovals drawn for your shoulder.

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>>2916195

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>>2916280
fixed a bit

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>>2916286

>>2916286
still bad

>>2916050
you have to be 18 for using this site, underage.

>>2916288
did you look at the original picture?

>>2916301
not that i want to defend my 10min scribble but one eye is significantly bigger than the other

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Just Started, need tips

>>2915834
The proportions are shit no matter what style it is in. Her waist shouldnt be that thick if the hips are thst skinny. Also "its my style" isnt a valid rebuttal to someone saying proportions are fucked. Good proportions are universal.

>>2915764
Hey, good catch there with the eye direction! Bunnies don't like carrots themselves, but they love greens.

>>2916312
read sticky

>>2916195
If she is your girlfriend get her to pose for a proper portrait photo you can reference. Not that distorted selfie garbage.

>>2916315
Never said "it's my style", don't jump into conclusions. I just tried cartooning that did not end well.
Kinda disappointed that i had to trigger you to get an actual explanation on what exactly was shit on the proportions. "It's shit" alone doesn't help that much.

Still, thanks for the explanation i guess. Will work on it.

Is Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain worth working through? Was recommended by a friend, but he's pretty shit at art so...

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>>2916360

Start here. Understanding how to draw this will help you understand form and value at a basic level. From there you can move on to figures.

>>2916360
It's a good starting point for people who don't know shit about drawing. Alternatively, go for Keys to Drawing.

>>2916366
Shading would be much easier if light sources didn't exist and the entire universe was illuminated by an omnipresent ambient light.

>>2916368
>tfw those who suffer from Dunning-Kruger can't do DotRSoftB because they think they know it all

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>>2915697
My attempt. Too many dude refs here.

THREADLY REMINDER:

The great masters often copied other great master paintings for practice and inspiration. MANY of the most well known paintings in the world use poses that artists have taken from their contemporaries paintings. Don't feel bad when using an image to hone your skill or inspire a work of art.

>>2916384
>tfw people don't realize mercwip is posted so people can study it

>>2915790
From the looks of it he was a casual drawer who made 2011's pic and loved it, but wasn't trying to actively improve until some arbitrary point in the future and decided to redraw an old favorite to gauge his progress.

>>2916383
Oh hi there, WHfag. So you can write in uppercase too!
Still suffering from the same-face syndrome, I see.

>>2915809
Do at least one a day, even if you don't finish it start from scratch each day.
Also check out Neil Fontaine's Anatomy for Figure Drawing course, it's very good and grinding fundamentals will make you better.

>>2916254
>>2916386
Show me yours, anon.

>>2915999
What's the story going to be?

>>2916254
Daily reminder Michelangelo had already created both Pieta and David by age 26.

>>2916099
It's a meme ya dip

>>2916400
Michelangelo was also a genius so screw him.

>>2916393
Uh...who? What you talking about dude?

>>2916403
True, but I think a better way of putting it in perspective is Michelangelo was an artist during the most enlightened time in Florence; with Da Vinci, Raphael, etc. as his contemporaries.

>>2916396
I will when I get on my computer, but I regularly post on /beg/

>>2916407
And we are artists in a time where there are literally millions of reference images and high quality tutorials/mentoring a google search away, with digital tools that make getting into art easier than before should you decide to go that route.

>>2916407
>you live in a nearly dead age of art with /ic/ as your contemporaries

>>2916413
With the sheer number of human population and the existence of hosting platforms and places like Patreon make art more alive than ever before. These days there is an audience/peergroup for everything and they are easier to connect with than any other point in human history.

>>2916412
But the arts have shifted to digital media/entertainment, and the patronage once offered traditional artists has shifted to furryporn Patreons.

The era of entrusting commissions of huge, expensive slabs of marble to young artists is long since past. We live in an age of soulless manufactured art, yes, we have unlimited resources at our fingertips; but we also have the ever-present cloud of pessimism and doubt hanging over our heads.

Not making excuses, but can you honestly think of a modern painting/drawing that has inspired you as much as an old master work?

>>2916417
>but can you honestly think of a modern painting/drawing that has inspired you as much as an old master work?

Aren't like 90% of the people on this site inspired by anime?

>>2916407
So the best way to making great art is to have rivals and a whole depth of knowledge to draw from?

>>2916418
My point exactly.

>>2916421
In a way yes. But it would be disingenuous for you to try to link that approach to 4chan /beg/ threads.

>>2916425
Then what's the alternative approach?

>>2916423
But that's art, dickhead.

>>2916404
The author knows precisely what I'm talking about.

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>>2916417
>but we also have the ever-present cloud of pessimism and doubt hanging over our heads
>we

I think that's just you, anon.

>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>first assignment
>draw someone's portrait from memory
>realize that I don't actually know what anybody I know actually looks like

Fuck, I think I might be retarded

>>2916442

That's the point, bruh. You don't have the visual library built up to draw someone from memory. Now quit being a little bitch and do the assignment.

>>2916442
>anon doesn't know what Trump or Morgan Freeman looks like

>>2915693
Who is the girl in OPs picture? I've seen her on posespace and occasionally on 4chan, but no sauces

>>2916449
>Trump

Wait, I think I might be able to pull that one off. Funny that I can kind of visualize Trump but not my own parents. Must be something about seeing pictures versus real life.

>>2916441
>we
>thinks I'm talking about his precious 4chan and not society at large
>posts smug anime girl

>>2916436
>thinks daytime anime is art

I see now what's going on here.

>>2916465
>I see now what's going on here.
That you're retarded? I hope so. Usually the truly stupid people are the ones unable to see it.

Papé Satàn, papé Satàn aleppe

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>>2916449
>>2916456
Oh god, I am... so so sorry Mr. President. It wasn't meant to be this way.

I'm aware of how horrifically symbolic the drawing is and how bad my line work is, it's the first thing I've drawn since I was kid. I thought I knew how eyes and noses and mouths looked until I tried to draw them from memory...

At least I figured out how to operate my scanner sort of, although it didn't want to pick up pencil. That's progress I guess.

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>>2915693
What do I do about always getting this far and realzing either the idea is shit, or my execution is terrible or the amount of effort it would take to fix wouldn't be productive. I don't get burnt out because I just scrap the shit project and go back to studies or whatever.

>>2916508
Put in the amount of effort to fix it.

>>2916508
Make sure you're fucking sure the image is worth finishing before trying to finish it.

Nobody builds over wonky framework, spend a little more time on the rough sketch next time.

>>2916437
You think i'm WahaFagArt? That's the only thing i can figure.

>>2916475
I'll allow it. Tired of baiting, back to helping lol.

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>>2916511
quality post kiddo

>>2916253
I have actually never used a grid before I may give it a go.

>>2916255
This is pretty good.

>>2916286
Ty for the attempt.

>>2916334
I just thought she looked cute here. I have other pictures I could use. Anyway gotta go to work for now, but will do another attempt or pose soon.

Thanks for the help/critique folks!

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I feel like I have negative talent when it comes to drawing. I've been on the same page of Loomis' heads and hands for a few weeks now, started drawing 3 hours a day today hoping to get 15 hours in each week. I Still can't draw a single head that looks decent, and I think I've invested about 7 hours of solid practice. I do feel like I'm thinking about things differently, but I still just don't see any improvement in my work. I have a few questions:

1) Should I be focusing on one thing at a time (heads) or work on multiple things such as figure drawing, anatomy, perspective, etc?

2) How long did it take you guys to get decent?

3) I throw out everything that I draw once I finish -- should I be saving them? I don't really have much space for stuff like that.

Feeling really disheartened, turning 20 in a few months, really been kicking myself for not starting sooner. Hope I don't sound too bitchy, /ic/, just need to vent.

>>2916620
Obviously if you want to pump out a good head, you need to put in hundreds and thousands of hours. Keep at it.

>>2916620
Post something you're drawing maybe we can point you in the right direction.

>>2916620
I think some of the maintain impediments to progresses are not enjoying the process and not feeling pride in your accomplishments. Take it day by day, small improvements add up and eventually reach a tipping point where they begin to snowball. And as >>2916643
says posting your work for critique will help you stay on the right path.

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Triad
I'm back and this is what I did today. I need to be more prolific; I waste so much time

>>2916226
You should try to construct the image before giving it detail.
Also simbol drawing

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I drew a goblin with dick suckin' lips

>>2916699
I'm proud of you

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>>2916493
Didn't have a mirror or anything handy for a self portrait, so I did another portrait of Trump. Off a photo this time, not memory.

So, that's my second attempt at drawing anything...

>>2916724
dumb frogposter

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>>2916701
Thank you :) Here it is with some basic values

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>>2915694

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Help

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>>2916195
Thought I could learn something myself by trying to fix your initial drawing, kinda went a little out of hand...

>>2916755
Lol glad so many people wanted to tackle it. (I really wasn't expecting anyone to do a redraw so pretty surprised with that)

I feel like if this many people are giving it a go I definitely need to take a 2nd stab later tonight/tomorrow.

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>>2916205
> i feel like i cheated the form by emphasizing the 'turning' of the planes with hella dark halftones

Yeah that's how you do it. It will look flat if you just added value. You render by wrapping around the form.

You did capture exactly how dark the eggplant is suppose to be though. You could exaggerate the highlight but it looks fine on yours.

Everything else is somewhat washed out. The difference between your reference and drawing is the strong light source is not represented well because the contrast is lacking.

Could you people link some cool pictures to draw? not too complex ones, but im out of inspiration and i dont know what to draw.

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this is just something I'm fucking around with in between studies

no idea how to draw bushes orz, I figured I'd just block in the shape I want and then go in and draw the leaves but I'm pretty stuck on how to draw them. Also there's suppose to be a rose bush in the flower bed but I have no idea how to draw that either rip

>>2916812
I've been drawing trees lately and realized that you can just search up a certain plant's leaves and that by drawing a leave then a branch, you can understand how it looks as a whole bush. Try it out. Although, you would have to search rose bush and certain types of flowers.

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what am i supposed to do next?
not talking about the hair yet, but should i start to make background? how can i give it more depth?
just add darker spots and generally make it darker, then make some parts more lighter?

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WHY CANT I DRAW CIRCLES

DAMN YOU LOOMIS

>>2916831
>drawing on lined paper
>doesn't know a circle is perfectly round
>bet anon doesn't know math either

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>>2915694

How do digital artists measure body proportions?

I get stuck with zooming in and then drawing a particular feature too small which results in offset proportions

>>2916840
Im tryi g to draw them quickly for muscle memory

>>2916854
>quickly
>for muscle memory
Blackmanatapianotryingnottolaugh.gif
Just do them slowly and carefully you faggot
Maybe read some drawabox lesson 1

>>2916851
Don't zoom in until you have the composition finished. Only zoom in for details once the thumbnail reads well already.

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is this comp fine or is it too cluttered?

>>2916827

You don't need more than a simple background. There's not enough space.

Question:

Am I supposed to apply construction when drawing portraits or should I stick to eye measuring and just draw what I see?

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How far can I go if I just give all my charcters eye patches

>>2916054
Anyone?

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i swear i've read the lesson like ten times and looked over other people's submissions and the replies they've gotten and i still have no idea what the fuck i'm doing right or wrong. i had purpose initially, i tried different things to get different results. narrower circles imply flatter surface? tighter groups of/overlapping circles implies steeper angle towards/away from viewer? or do they? i don't even know anymore

i just keep drawing potatos and dicks with circles in them praying some kind of depth will appear, but it's only getting worse. i'm in tuber hell and i don't know how to escape

>>2916935
You got to feeeeeeel the form

>>2916831
use your shoulder anon.

Hold your wrist steady and make one quick circle stroke with your shoulder.

>>2916935

Think 3D. As, a potato for example, if you have a potato that's perpendicular to you, what happens if you cut it in two right at the centre? How much of the inside can you see? What if you cut it in 3 different pieces? The sections will be different, the circles narrow or wide depending on where you cut it, and from where you're looking at it.

Basically this.
>>2916938

>>2916935
I think part of the problem seems to be the fact that you're making all of the circles uniform in shape and only changing the size. Instead of just spamming circles, thing about the actual curve and form of the shape as you lay them down.

>>2916910
wow i like this, what pencils or tools did you use?

>>2916979
glad you like it, I just used a 2B pencil

>>2915795
This is fucking degenerate.

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>>2915886
I guess I should've added that I'm still doing Keys to Drawing (still in part one, geez) so I guess I'm trying to bite more than I can chew.

I'm trying to draw portraits while following what I'm reading in keys to drawing but I mess everything up.

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>>2916812
>>2916818

shoulda listened to you orz, I just scribbled and hoped for the best. I'll try to redo it later

>>2916907
not gonna get far with anything if you're still symbol drawing

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Going through Keys To Drawing. Beginner level. Trying to get rid of Symbol Drawing.

I tried drawing this lady since she looked interesting. I'm mostly having problems with eyes and lips and shading in general.

Thoughts?

Reference: >>2913050

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anything wrong with this so far?

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>>2917041
whoops forgot to scale, here is the sketch though

>>2917002
Fuck off

Should I start with KTD or draw a box? The stickies contradict each other and now I'm confused and scared.

>>2917058

Both teach different things. Do both.

>>2917042
considering the position of the horizon line, i think the bottom of the image should be trimmed off to make it seem more natural.

>>2917058
drawabox up until animals then ktd

I'm more retarded than I thought. I was breezing through the lessons until I decided to do the 250 box challenge.

The shit I'm making is terrible. I can't rotate the boxes in my head.

Do I need to go back to perspective practice?

>>2917107

The lesson has everything you need to understand and apply the knowledge needed to rotate boxes.

A common issue with people starting Draw a Box or anything, really, is that they feel they have to go as fast as possible because it's "beginner" stuff, and that's seen as something you need to get past quickly to get to the real stuff.

Take your time with lessons, reread and redo the entire lesson if you have to. This is knowledge you'll use during your entire journey, so take your time and enjoy the ride. Put some music and practice.

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>>2916935
does this look better?

i drew the middle 3 and felt like there was some improvement, then drew the bottom and top left, and seem to have unlearned everything i thought i had just learned

i honestly want to just grind, but as much as i try to visualize potatos and playdough snakes cut here and there, all the circles seem the same in my mind, and i just end up drawing them based on what seems right at the moment

how do i teach my brain to visualize things in 3d? is drugs the answer?

>>2917042
I may be wrong but, I think the perspective is too steep so every object is off in comparison to the room.

Objects in the background look too big. Objects in the foreground look too small.

>>2917128
they are all basically the same ellipse. do one that curves around so you get all the angles.

>>2917128

Ok, I'll try to explain but this is hard without visual representation.

There's two extremes for an ellipses: A line and a perfect circle.

Imagine an S shape pipe coming directly towards you. Alright? The end of the pipe, facing you, will be a perfect circle. The start of the pipe, while further away, will still be a perfect circle.
The parts of the S shaped pipe that are perfectly paralel to you will be straight lines, because perspective makes it so you can't see its planes.
The parts of the S shaped pipe that curve towards and away from you will be composed of ellipses, circles in perspective. Their angle depends if they're closer or away from you.

Try it out. I wish I could show you a drawing to represent this, but I'm on my phone.

>>2917128

I just thought of an easier way for you to get it.

Get a coin, and place it standing on a surface where you can't see any of the coin's head or tails. It'd only look like a straight line. Right? Now "walk" the coin towards you, turning it little by little and making it face you at the end of the "walk".

Did you notice how the face of the coin changed as you turned it towards you until it became a perfect circle? The coin was always a perfect circle, but the in-between from flat line to perfect circle is what you want to focus on. Ellipses, circles in perspective.

What are some good ways to simplify the figure to draw gestures and turn them properly into finished figures?

I've been trying the Loomis mannequin thing but I just get lost around the pelvis area and my legs never look right. My gestures look good but I can't construct anything over them

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>>2917128
The degree and size of your ellipses needs to change as the forms turn. Instead of trying to draw an ellipse within the form, imagine a plane slicing through the form and try to draw the outline of the slice. At eye level (not shown here) the ellipse that cuts through the trunk of this cactus would be a straight line. As you move up the ellipses get smaller and their degrees get larger. Think about how the ellipses change as the arms bend and get father away.

>>2917139
Have you gone through hampton?

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How can I make my drawings less FLAT.

Am I symbol drawing? I feel like when I draw nothing pops, it's all stiff and lifeless ESPECIALLY when drawing people.

I'd love some recommendations for things like gesture if you have any

>>2917173
>tfw this is good but anon probably can't even tell

>>2917173
Try rendering.

Things will always look flat if it's just lineart.

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>>2917175

Could I get a explanation on what rendering is?

Another picture of mine (though older)

>>2917168
not yet

what should I look for specifically?

>>2917139
Look at drawabox's figure drawing section. He teaches you to do a flat construction then bring it out into a tri-dimensional one.

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>>2917177
Basically observe where the light is hitting the subject and fill in the lights and shadows.

It's what makes an image feel 3D

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>>2917186
>it's easy, anon

>>2917191
>tfw it makes a lot more sense when you've been drawing for quite a bit

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>>2917113
While it's true that I feel like I need to go as fast as possible, I also don't find it enjoyable to draw shitty looking boxes over and over without any improvement.

I just can't seem to visualize a box being turned upward and to the side. Like 45 degrees up and then 45 degrees to the left.

When I see this pic, I can draw the box the way I want it.

But then from memory - Poof! Fuck you hand, figure it out on your own. -Brain

>>2917201
Yeah figure it out on your own. Stop relying on your brain.

>>2917205
but you are your brain, karl

>>2915693
Can someone post a link to download Keys to Drawing?? Thanks

>>2917223
what if it was in a sticky?

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any Glaring Issues so far chums

>>2917233
Why is she holding that flag like it has AIDS or somet-

Oh OK.

No.

>>2916910
Looks like Marion coilhard or whatever her name is.

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Someone tell me RIGHT FUCKING NOW IF MY IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA BEFORE I GO TO BED.
If I do 40 gesture drawings tonight before I sleep, and 20 figure drawings, will that be a good art exercise?
Also, is it better to do gesture drawings before moving into anatomy in depth? Thanks for reading.

Gonna repost some studies since nobody said anything about them last time.

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What do you think of my crow? Just started with illustrator and have been super /comfy/

>>2917241
Yes.

Just got one of these brush pens, they're fun to use. Kind of afraid it's going to burn through ink and not really be cost effective though.

>>2917268
Show me a comparison between the brush and the felt tip pen with your artwork, anon.

>>2917269
Give me another couple of years. All of my art is still embarrassing and I burn it upon completion so it won't come back to taint my name once I'm famous.

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>>2917278
It can't be worse than this >>2915902

>>2917278
Yeah, post it anon. We all have embarrassing work if shown in the public, but we're on /ic/. No one will know if you share it here.

>>2917247
not watermarked enough

>>2917286
I dont usually post on ic so I just did it to protect my artwork.

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hey, im trying to draw a more cartoonish version of a jojo character, how to improve?

>>2917292
what are you going for? simple and cartoony or realistic and anatomically accurate? pick one and stick to it, your styles are clashing. i see too many unnecessary lines that don't say anything.

>>2917293
yeah i should probably decide, i like cartoonish stuff but when i try to draw it i just NEED to add detail, if not it feels incomplete to me, like it feels lazy but my anatomy isnt good enough for going in a more realistic way

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just searching some critique on this scizor i made

>>2917298
it helps to look at art in the style you want to emulate and study how they simplify details, or if they omit them altogether and why.

do i need all this muscle definition on the neck? why or why not? should i describe a fold of clothing with a thick black line or will a strip of shadow be enough? why or why not? drawing in a cartoony style is all about making informed decisions.

>>2917307
I'm not at a level qualified to give you precise input, but holy shit that background has to go.

>>2917315
thanks! i will try to do so, im still a beginner so all feedback is aprecciated

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please advise

I'm unable to make my anatomy move in a 3D space, how do I cure that ?

>>2917360
Watch more movies and understand how people move.

Why did this retarded guy just came out of nowhere

>>2917364
It won't work at least try to find something that make fucking sense if you want to be this edgy

did someone get butthurt?

>>2917372
let me guess, you're nonwhite arent you?

is this what happens when you take too much loomis?

come on guys, get reporting

Why here of all places? Surely there are more deserving boards for this spam like /mlp/

>targets board
>only posts in /beg/inner thread
erm... okay?

>>2917413
link?

>>2917424
i doubt its /pol/, i doubt its even neogaf, its probably just one salty /beg/ going nuclear

>>2917426
So this is the power of telling-someone-that-they're "Not gonna make it"... not bad...

this board's already reached the bump limit so what even is the point...

Why are people spamming racist stuff on an art board?

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I want to buy my boyfriend a drawing tablet so he can stop drawing on his phone, but I don't know what to get. I don't have a lot of money, so can anyone recommend me a good, kinda cheapish option?

>surprised to find so many replies
>it's just /pol/ being /pol/
Oh alright

>>2917462
this thread is kill senpai

wait for a new one or ask in the question thread >>2912011

>>2917469
Ok, thanks!

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Drew my favorite Touhou.

>>2917526
how long do these take you?

>>2917462
At least he's not wearing a fedora and a trench coat.

in case anyone is still camping here
>>2917551
>>2917551
>>2917551

>>2917781
>new thread made 8 hours before old one hits bump limit

/beg/ - Beginners at drawing and using 4chan

>>2917817
i think this was at bump limit at one point until a shitposting troll got nuked

>>2916312
good grief

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stuck with hair. I tried everything but i just cant draw or imagine the right hairline for her. help

>>2915695
>>2916192

my warmup as well

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>>2918066
damn it

>>2916289
that wasn't me btw. Just noticed.

How do I make a face look feminine? When I draw faces they turn out manly, pls help

>>2918068
Why is her right leg so small?

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crit?

>>2918270
You might be gay

>>2916146

looking good anon, shading would improve it a lot though