Perspective

Yeah, good artists always use grids. They don't redraw them though.

Every single lesson over at www.drawabox.com

>>2903562
The only perspective lesson you'll ever need:

Draw a perspective grid if you need some guide lines. Size your objects relative to that grid.


I don't understand how this is a complicated thing that can take up an entire book? Especially in our day of age with 3D computer software which people are familiar with through entertainment.

>>2904406
post your work

>>2904407
why?

>>2904406
fuck off dipshit; perspective made easy barely scratches the surface

>>2904425
you should just give up now. If you need a book to help you with that then you got no talent for drawing. And probably not math either.

>>2904438
No, you need competition.

>>2904448
This is true, without competition, you will not get anywhere. Even if this is competition between your past self or your future self. Some people even dare challenge the Gods themselves as well as nature.

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>>2904438

It's obvious to anyone who knows what the fuck you're going you're just some lazy fag who can't bring himself to study Perspecive and wishes to drag everyone who tries down with him.

Fucking. Pathetic.

>>2904457
You, i like you.

>>2904457
You can learn to understand design and anatomy. Train your skill in lines. But something like perspective should come natural to you. You should not be surprised that a house far away is smaller than the same house up close. At no point should you be in a situation where you look at something not in perspective and wonder how to fix it. If your drawing is shit then there is likely something wrong with it besides perspective. Fix everything else and perspective comes naturally.

I'm honestly convinced that any books like that one in the OP is nothing but a scam. Sold to people too lazy to do proper studies and who is looking for a shortcut and buys the idea that perhaps what they were missing were complicating something fucking simple.

>>2904484
Some people aren't talented like us, anon. They were born stupid and unable to understand perspective and drawing 3D shapes for some reason.

>>2904484

>I'm honestly convinced that any books like that one in the OP is nothing but a scam.

Looks like it, but you're wrong. Seems to me like you just read the first 5 pages of book in the OP and decided you were too good for it.

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>>2904484
>>2904487


Post your work.

>>2904491
why?

>>2904484
I'm very wary of shitheads like you who sound convincing in writing but don't have the technical ability to back up your "art" of deceiving others. I've had run-ins from people like you in the past--probably the same guy who likes to trick people on this board on a daily basis.

Anyway I have a high enough IQ to know try and learn everything I can on subjects I'm interested in. Do a good enough job with notetaking and you can reteach the information for sheckles, a skill very few people have (hint).

>>2904494

I want to see what the work of someone with innate talent, who's got no need for studying perspective, looks like.

>>2904484
You could replace perspective with literally any other fundamental.

"You can learn to understand perspective and anatomy. Train your skill in aesthetics. But something like design should come natural to you."

You can learn anything without reading a book. You're full of shit and don't understand what you're spouting.

>>2904497
I'll pretend you are serious at the off chance that you are.

too bad we on 4chan and posting your work just invites shitposting. I don't even need to post my own but could put something flawless and if somebody here don't recognize it they would try to tear it apart.

If you really want somebody to post their work then you can post your own and I can see if it convince me that I'm wrong.


>>2904495
You seem a bit paranoid. Obviously you can earn money trying to teach this shit. The book in the OP is an example of that. But the thing about studying is that it's not a matter of quantity. If you keep pounding the wrong shit then you'll be stuck for years.

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>tfw too intelligent for perspective

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>>2904509

You're a psychopath, with no skills and no friends. Worse yet, you're so broken your only path in life now is to break others, and you're failing hard.


You're a disgrace to this board.

>>2904509
>You seem a bit paranoid.

You can never be too cautious. Especially on 4chan.
>But the thing about studying is that it's not a matter of quantity.
nigger what?
>If you keep pounding the wrong shit then you'll be stuck for years.
I see. You don't know how to study. This is a problem that you yourself needs to fix. Fortunately for me I don't have that problem.

>>2904497
>But something like perspective should come natural to you. You should not be surprised that a house far away is smaller than the same house up close. At no point should you be in a situation where you look at something not in perspective and wonder how to fix it. If your drawing is shit then there is likely something wrong with it besides perspective. Fix everything else and perspective comes naturally.
Did you not read the post at all?

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>>2904519

>I want to see what the work of someone with innate talent, who's got no need for studying perspective, looks like.

Did you not read the post at all?

>>2904515
At least you are not calling my mom names yet.

>>2904516
>>2904511

All this deliberately trying to misinterpretate just to have an argument

>>2904519

Wiping your ass should come natural to you. You don't need your parents to potty train you.

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>>2904525

You're not getting away with your bullshit, the truth is clear to see. I am off to grind fundamentals while you rot away on your own failures.

>>2904525
You don't have an argument. Your mission is to just deceive like you always do. It won't work this time, old friend.

>>2904525
>All this deliberately trying to misinterpretate just to have an argument
Right? These fuckers.

>>2904528
By all means. Go grind your perspectives. I'll just give you an "told you so" in advance for the road.

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>>2904484
>>2904438

I met someone like you once sometime ago. Stereotypical lazy borderline psycho with an ego up the roof and a victim complex, always lying, always trying to deceit with his good-two-shoes snake moves. I utterly loved watching his weak and fragile being break every time I succeeded academically, or socially despite how much he tries to smear me down.

Your words bring me joyful memories, and I thank you for it.

>>2904549
>I met someone like you once sometime ago. Stereotypical lazy borderline psycho with an ego up the roof and a victim complex, always lying, always trying to deceit with his good-two-shoes snake moves. I utterly loved watching his weak and fragile being break every time I succeeded academically, or socially despite how much he tries to smear me down.
That was you? You piece of shit. How did you do it? There's no way to describe it but luck.

>>2904515
>>2904549
You got to polish your samefagging skills. Perhaps you can get on that when you have given up on drawing in a few years.

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>>2904552

Roleplaying the dead, are you? Very appropriate, since you're clearly a brainless twat, the role of a zombie fits you just right.

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>>2904557
Don't you have some questionable porn you need to be jacking off to off sadpanda, my dear good old chap?

>>2904569
if you wasn't stuck on perspective then perhaps you would be able to make your own porn and have it end up there.

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>>2904577
Fighting words for someone who doesn't draw.

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>>2904577
>>2904582

Rekt.

Has he seriously held off on posting his work for this long?

>>2904597

He's got no work to post, he probably does not even draw. He just comes here to shit on people and try to make them quit.

>>2904597
That's some fallacy you got going there. Posting a flawless perspective drawing would prove nothing and nobody cares about your approval. Is your butt still sore even after this many hours? If you feel you need help with perspective to solve your problems then post your stuff and let us see if perspective is really the cause of your problem. But you will never do that. You know you are a complete armature considering you fell for the scam in the OP.

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>>2904639

>He thinks he taunt me into posting my work so he can shit on it dishonestly while never posting his


I got you all figured out, buddy.

>>2904641
Yes, don't let the sound logic get to you. It's all just a ruse to make you feel bad.

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>>2904644

post your work

>>2904650
but I don't have a perspective problem?

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>>2904656
Doesn't matter if you have perspective problems or not. Post it.

>>2904639
Are you Malayfag with better grammar? That would explain this tomfuckery.

>>2904657
stop shitposting and go grind your perspective.

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>>2904667

Post it, post it, post it!

>>2904669
no seriously. Go grind some perspective and then some day you might be able to do an architect drawing with a ruler and everything.

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>>2904671

Come on, coward. Face the truth, post your work.

>>2904671
>>2904667
omgosh thats really gud work u enver nver posted
can i hav link plox
sauce on this maginficanet maldraw artist
what is his name XDDDD

i agree with maldraw he clearly knows what hes doing XDD
i want to be liek him AND STUDY LE OLD MASTERS WHO DONT SCAM
but first loomis because all the bet artists draw rfom nature and loomis XDDDD hahahahaha
i just wish i had that supreiror malay blood cpoursing thru my veins THEN I WOULD BE SET FOR LE LIFE XDDD
at leats our kids will be as gud as him maybe
i prey to le ogod that NEVERM ENEVR ENVER NENE will the supoeriro maldraw dna be diliuted by some shitskin burger XDD
LELELELELEL gud job bossu XDD
he shoudl totes fugg off to LE GRAVEYRD
banish him already plox so we can live in NU WORLD
and then i can shit out ur babies in peace
piss piss XDDD
and then we repoloutae world with LE SUPEIRO MALAY ART RACE XDDD
fucking my twin sister
XDDDDDDD i dont think u understand LE EBIN IRONY
irony is best humeor LELELLELLEE XDD
u will NEBVRR ENVER be le GOOD COEMDY liek me XDD

>>2904679
wtf are you talking about? Go read the book in the OP. Then when you get to the parts you don't get you should come and make threads about shit like asking people to explain 3 point perspectives to you.

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>>2904686

Pathetic.

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HEH u just dont need persptetive were where going

>>2904689
Don't judge. Judging is bad. If he needs help with 3 point perspective then don't mock plz.

>>2904691
On the contrary. We need to write books about it so we can theory craft about 3d space.

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post patereon link pls XDDDDDDDDDDD
NOT MIKE THOUHG

>>2904699
It's funny how even someone like kaile is better at comics than m******nfag.

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>>2904697
Indeed. You know what gave it away? He never uses perspective, has instantly recognizable bad art, never has a response for shitposts, never moves past the accusatory stage of an argument, and accuses like a Jew.

>>2904707
>never moves past the accusatory stage of an argument

But non. You are the one accusing of all matter of fallacy shit just because you didn't like an opinion. Despite have been given rational arguments you haven't provided any yourself. Just your hurt feelings and crying. Go grind perspectives already.

a ded silnec falls on the thraed

>>2904716
Alright, I'll post my work, if you can post yours in response during your attempt to critique. Agreed?

>>2904721
Post your work if you want to, anon. You are still a crybaby who haven't provided any sound counter argument. Just whining.

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>>2904729
It's a work in progress, but you can't beat that, bitchboy.

>>2904736
why would a lonely anon like you be against letting friends in?

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>>2904729

>You are still a crybaby who haven't provided any sound counter argument


Your argument: There's no point in learning perspective, it should come to you naturally. All perspective book are scams.


Kek.

>>2904736
Fukken saved, do you do requests

>>2904751
I sure do, a man's gotta eat. You like Trump too?

>>2904748
>There's no point in learning perspective
Have never said that. That's how you build up all your crying on your own lie. I said that it's simple once you have the other stuff sorted out. So simple that you don't need a book dedicated to the subject. Odds are that your drawing suck for a lot of other reasons and your bodies are probably not even symmetrical beyond basic anatomy and that's why your perspective is off.

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>>2904756

>you should just give up now. If you need a book to help you with that then you got no talent for drawing. And probably not math either.

>>2904759
that doesn't contradict >>2904756 , dumbass. I honestly do think you sound stupid. Now you can get all hurt and get victim points again while ignoring the argument.

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>>2904756
http://vocaroo.com/i/s03ZFsSqY4OP

>>2904753
Fuck yeah how do i pay

>>2904763

Might not, but it shows the intention behind his argument. It was never about putting forwards a valuable opinion, but rather to shit down on others to make them quit.


Truth is, any proper art school will teach you Perspective from the very beginning, and will have you grinding grids till you fucking get it, because it is the core skill where all other fundamentals depend on for artwork to read properly. The only people who oppose the knowledge that has revolutionized art are those who are too ignorant, or too lazy to learn.

>>2904775
>but rather to shit down on others to make them quit.
oh please stop your shitty projecting

>>2904406
gave an opinion and then posed a question. One that has only been answered by meme shitposting and lonely attention whoring

>Truth is, any proper art school will teach you Perspective from the very beginning

That doesn't mean anything. Old paintings were symbolic in nature for a lot of reasons. Just because something got popular during the 14th century and standardized it doesn't mean that people are unable to figure it out on their own.

>>2904786
You're not very good at this, are you?

>>2904792
At making dumbasses think for themselves? I guess not.

>>2904795

That's what happens when you can't think yourself.

>>2904804
luckily for your options there's actually no truth to that.

>>2904509
>>2904671
>>2904667

Lots of words and few draw.
Lier...

>>2904484

>You should not be surprised that a house far away is smaller than the same house up close. At no point should you be in a situation where you look at something not in perspective and wonder how to fix it

I'm probably chewing bait, but perspective is way more than that. It's like claiming that math is easy because you learned what 2+2 equals. It has several techniques designed to tackle different issues with accuracy.

good god looking through the archive I wouldn't be surprised if this anon is the same person back from 2014 and we're literally having the same discussion

how time flies

>>2904882

And now that I think about it....I'm still not in the industry yet. That really is discouraging to see, and a wake up call.

>>2904886
How good are you now?

>>2904890

Let's see, I "found" /ic/ in mid 2013 when I discovered art is something I can do for a living. At that time there was no sticky (until later in the year) so I lurked for a while and someone named dropped cgpeers.

So I downloaded a bunch of tutorials yadayada but didn't know where to start until the sticky was made so I followed the sticky...for a while...2014 I was literal /beg/ tier besides crappy high school anime drawings.

And from looking in the archives we were arguing about perspective, apparently this was the time new masters academy had a perspective lesson out and I tried following it for a while.

In summary I was shit in 2013, 2014, 2015 I got progress 2016 I joined las and saw tremendous improvement and 2017 well...I just wish I tried harder is all. Too much time spent here.

>>2904896

>las

What's that?

>>2904901
this here >>2902708

the sites broken now and the stupid admin refuses to fix things so you might not be as motivated to keep up a streak if there is no system that shows your elimination

>>2904905

Thanks, good luck with your goals, Anon.

>>2904896
So what you are saying is that even after studying perspective for that long you are still stuck here looking at perspective threads?

>>2904911
>So what you are saying is that even after studying perspective for that long you are still stuck here talking to retards

something like that

>>2904914
What kind of advice would you give so that others don't fall onto your path?

>>2904918

put 4chan in your host files

>>2904914
Well either you have to stop samefagging or go back to studying perspectives then. I'm sure you will break the secret code any day now.

>>2904920

I'm not the same person, you've been talking to 2 people. I'm done with my perspective journey.

>>2904925
the thing about journeys is that they tend to end where you started. I hope for you that you can at least draw things in perspective without needing a perspective grid now.

>>2904928

The thing about grids is like they are cups. Unless you are a magician and can levitate juice into thin-air directly into your mouth, there is no harm setting up a quick grid. It doesn't have to be an accurate grid, but a cup doesn't have to be a plastic cup or a styrofoam cup or your moms mouth.

>>2904928

Not him, but even Feng Zhu uses perspective grids. They are tools that speed up your design process and it takes guessing out of the equation.

Only a fool would ignore them.

>>2904935
nobody have said anything about ignoring perspective. Only questioned the merits of benefiting an entire book to such a simple concept. You don't need a book like the OP to study perspective or understand the concept.

>>2904938
Your entire argument is that you don't like reading.

We can conclude this thread that you are:

1. Stupid
2. Amusing others like you are stupid

>>2904941
says the guy who can't even properly read a post that he has decided beforehand makes him mad.

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>>2904945

>>2904945

So you work at dreamworks, huh?

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>>2904736
Of course everyone knows that an object far away is smaller than an object in the foreground, you dont need to grind a perspective book for that. The thing is, there's more to it than that. How long exactly is that foreshortened arm gonna be? How much of an area do I see before things get distorted? I think it's a matter of talent to take the right guesses. But you cant guess every single line and how they interact to each other in every single scenario. Youve got to master perspective if you want to draw more complicated scenery. Dont grind those books if you think youre good enough. Sad thing is, you'll stay in your comfort zone forever, because you only draw what seems natural for you

>>2904528
That pic is the work of gods.

>>2905304
>tfw you will one day be as good as Krenz

>>2903562
>What is the best book on perspective to compliment pic related?

Can we actually get back on topic with this question?

>>2904756
Last sentence clearly reveals your poor understanding of perspective.

As for perspective in general, study moebius and the generations of artists his legacy has spawned, including terada, otomo and kim.

>>2903562
I started with Norling and it was ok but I didnt understand last chapter on plan drawing so I picked up Perspective - A Guide for Artists, Architects and Designers by Gwen White which picked up right at the planning and seems to follow more technical approach which I thin its good.
You need to know all kind of stuff.

In the meantime I torrented Marshal Vandruff's vids on perspective and while beginning was mostly stuff I knew with a few tricks, last few lessons cleared some stuff from Norlings book I didnt understand clearly and shown few ways to get spacing in distance in a way that wasnt mentioned in Norlings book and are plain awesome.

Now I plain to continue Gwen Whites book and pick up Perspective Drawing Handbook - By Joseph D'Amelio, those books are mostly pictures so its pretty much manga tier.
You can read manga and english is you native you gonna burst trough them fast.
Each book somewhere mentions things the other book omited or clears up some concept so I suggest read a few and might start in same order I did or even from Marshals vids.

>>2904736
I saw this shit months ago. what a fucking faggot. That's a STONE Luigi, you DIDN'T MAKE IT

>>2904412
Just don't want to take advice from someone if they have no idea what they are talking about

>>2904699
i love the fact that despite all his years of intense shilling, he's a still nobody lol