Questions & Answers Thread

>>2881895
Who is this Derek and is he a good artist? Where's his blog? His hand writing is really nice, that's for sure.

>>2881923

Don't worry about who I am (-:

I was too much of a spastic cunt around an artist I look up to, now he doesn't respect me anymore

How do i fix this

anyone have that image of which art books to read/what order to read them in?

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>>2881974

>>2881955

get ridiculously fucking good, smash his technical skills by a farcry, and force him to initiate the rekindling of friendship.

Guys where do you upload PSD files in Patreon?

>>2881895
Are commissioned critiques a common thing? And if so, what have you found the price range to be around?

>>2882158
10-15$ depends on who you're asking though. Some people will charge you intensively for their time.

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This is apparently two point perspective. Why are there three points? Also, what is that second point in the middle trying to show?

>>2882159
Suppose there are a lot of variables. Thanks for the reply.

>>2882164
Where did you find this?

It's quite easy to explain though. It is in 2 point perspective, the arrow you drew is where the 2nd point is. The VP in the middle is showcasing the division between the checkered patterns, it keeps them equal in perspective. I forgot what the technique is called, something like duplication. You basically split the face from corner to corner to find the center and then use that to continue on a perfect pattern.

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>>2882168
I think I get it now. Thanks. Is this the technique you're talking about?

>>2882171
Right, that technique.

>>2882171
oh cool. So its really just a way to create a pattern that is even and in perspective. Im glad I saw this, thanks!

how come /ic/ seems to be the only forum for amatuers?

>>2882226
It isn't, but anonymity is appealing for new artists who aren't confident in their work. That leads to more activity overall. More active, more people cycle in and out. Feedback loop, rinse repeat.

At least, imo.

I have come to the realization that I can't create things

I have been drawing since I was a kid but never made characters or OCs and even as an adult I can't create anything and just resort to doing studies or drawing fanart

what's wrong with my brain?

>>2882305
Have you tried creating things?

>>2882309
Yeah

I'll try to draw a person but the face will be blank in my head and I might know what features in general I want it to have when it comes to clothing and accessories but It's all vague and I can't translate it to the canvas

after all that I end with a mannequin that doesn't have any features and give up

would a 'victory' thread be against /ic/s rules? such as small accomplishments, and celebrations, etc

>>2882320
i made a good feels thread couple years ago - it was surprising how much of /ic/ feels good given how depressed it usually

the thread turned into a bit of a hug box and then the trolls came in, but it was good while it lasted

I want to get better at drawing more realistic people, what anatomy books does /ic/ recommend?

What are some good brush tools for drawing? Something that emulates manga studio pens with pressure sensitivity and shit.
Unfortunately I'm not good at searching them, thanks

>>2882475
http://frenden.com/post/39394983582/custom-photoshop-inking-and-pencilling-brushes

Something like this simple round, but I don't want to pay for it

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Why am I so good at drawing lewd stuff but so bad at everything else?

I don't think I have a problem with technical skill but my imagination runs dry when there is nothing lewd going on.

How do I stop this?
Or should I just succumb to my natural habits and do just lewd stuff?
But then again I don't want to have to tell people that I draw porn. And pretty extreme porn like beastilaty and loli at that. Also I am interested in furry art.

HELP

>>2882395
I bought the digital version of Jazzas (just search for Jazza on YT) Easy Anatomy book + reference pack.
Sure, it is not as detailed as some better anatomy books but I would say most artists don't need more detailed anatomy than what he describes in his books.
Its a nice read and you also got exercises plus you have digital references that you can use for reference if you do digital art.

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Should I learn the forearm anatomy in detail?

The muscles are so many and they are so close together that I'm overwhelmed at both remembering them and drawing/shading the forearm accurately. Any advice?

How I learn and improve in drawing from imagination? I'm getting better at copying but my drawings from imagination suck.

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>>2882497

I think you'd be better served abstracting them a little bit, most of the muscles aren't that distinctly visible even in a muscular arm.

Just try and internalize how the muscles work together and focus on the visible ones.

>>2882487
post work

>>2882499

You draw from imagination. I know it's not the answer you want, but it's how you do it.

Construction and gesture are good areas to focus in. You want to learn to simplify whatever it is you want to draw from imagination into basic shapes, and have a command of how to turn those shapes around in your head. When drawing from reference a good exercise is to simplify your subject (and then simplify it again, even simpler, and keep going as far as you can). It's easier to remember the simplified subject and 'move' it in your head. Once you can confidently place the basics down, there's nothing wrong with finding a reference for details. There's a reason you see lots of artists draw those mannekins, they're easy to remember and easy to move in your head.

It's gonna look bad when you start, it's a difficult skill. Just gotta stick with it.

>>2882510
>Just try and internalize how the muscles work together and focus on the visible ones.

I find that really difficult, the visible muscles seem to constantly change depending on the hand position. When I look at your picture the only thing I can identify with confidence is the ulna.

>>2882499

Go CGpeers and get ''Intro to Perspective'' and ''Dynamic Sketching 1 and 2 by Peter Han''


Get Scott Robertson's book How to Draw. Grind that.

how do you shade/draw clothing folds? There's so many details do you just learn a few fold symbols and then try to make it look realistic?

Is this just one of those things you spend hours on trying to get right if you're trying to draw realistic clothing folds?

>>2882538
Folds wrap around the object beneath it, on a cylinder like your torso or arm they would not go from top to bottom but around, emphasizing the form.

Take a cloth and throw it around basic shapes like spheres and cylinders and make a still life for training.

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>>2882538
What the anon above said.

Also consider how the light affects the type of clothing you draw. Pic related.

>>2882514
You are the first anon to reply me and to reply me seriously. Thank you very much. Have a wonderful weekend.

>>2882529
Thank you for replying but this isn't going to help me draw the figure. I'm not interested in learning to draw cars and bugs.

>>2882571
Can you properly draw a cylinder and cube in perspective? (cube like the head, cylinder like the arms and legs)

If not (and chances are that if you haven't read into perspective you cannot) it would really help you.

>>2882571

The principles for drawing the human figure are the same as the principles for drawing cars and bugs.

If you don't understand human anatomy/proportions, open an anatomy book. Basically any one will do. Otherwise, the stuff the guy suggested will still be of use to you, perspective and constructive drawing methods are applicable across the spectrum of subjects.

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anyone know if these books are worth a look?

Besides /ic/ is there any site worth joining? Like conceptart.org, crimson daggers or something else?

>>2882586
Check it out for us. It would be a nice favor.

>make a bunch of loomis heads every couple of days
>they always look generic and lifeless because of the thirds measurements and shit
>still not sure what the point of this is
>start drawing people using the block in method from that russian manual
>make tremendous progress with every drawing
>notice that no artist I've ever seen uses construction a la loomis

Why is the construction meme a thing?

>>2882783
You are just too stupid to understand how to use construction. Not gonna make it.

>>2882783
post manual?

>>2882646
reddit

>>2882785
Maybe I am stupid but at least I'm making progress without the construction approach (nonetheless I still spend roughly 50% of my time trying to figure out construction)

>>2882787
Search Fundamentals of Drawing by Mogilevtsev

>>2882571

There's no difference between constructing a car, spaceship, bug or alien penis. They are all shapes in space guided by laws that can be learned and applied, the same way our entire world is ruled by the laws of physics.

>>2882788
I'm sorry but I'll have to ask this: Are you serious?

>>2882646

If you're too used to how 4chan rolls then every community out there is going to look like shit because they're not 4chan.

>>2881895

Is having sex with horses a matter that concerns ethics, if so, why? Asking for a friend, lol.

Can you recommend me some books and references for portrait drawing? Aside from the obvious Loomis, of course.

>>2882931
Drawing on the right side of the brain
Keys to Drawing

>>2882937
drawing on the right side of the brain is basically a self-help book for completely demoralized/overwhelmed newbies.

it's good, but those with even a little experience can go to the big boy stuff.

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Why don't I still have faith in myself?

I started drawing a year ago and have made gains basically meeting my expectations of a year. But whenever I start something that isn't a study I'll put it off for an hour or two fearing that for some paranoid reason I'll regress to how I was a year ago, but when I finally just put pen to tablet and work on it for a while it comes fine and realize I had nothing to worrya bout. Ideally I'd like to get that hour back of doing nothing.

>>2883062
You tell me, anon. Tell me about yourself. Maybe that'll help you figure it out.

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>>2883066
I understand what you're saying. I'll go be introspective for a little while.

>>2881996
best advice tbqh

>>2882549
god tier ref thank u

>>2881895
Is that Glenn Vipplu torrent still around and alive?
and if it is, doesn anyone have a link to it?

>>2883116

What Glenn Vilppu torrent?

>>2882549
I wonder how long this took to do.

Am I the only one who experiences both a mood and cognitive lift late at night? I really don't want to go to sleep, it feels so nice, almost like a mental fog just lifted and I can see.

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>>2881895
>>2881895
I'm thinking about getting back into art again. I've never been a great artist (throughout school I've always been known as "the artist" but my art is shit desu). I'm really inspired by Yoji Shinkawa and any artist that takes up on a gritty style. pic related

I've been contemplating on buying a Pocket Brush Pen and going to town on some poor defenseless paper. Should I start with the pocket brush or just pencil in some shit? I'm not looking to become professional or anything, just wanted to do it for fun (and get good at the same time).

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>>2883214
I don't think shinkawa starts with a sketch, but he knows his anatomy and draws from that. If you want to draw like shinkawa then study from him, start by copying his works and after enough time (about 6-7 months if you're grinding hard) you might feel confident enough to add your own figures in his style to his works/your repros.
Don't get discouraged, either. Yoji has a natural gift, given to him by God almighty, which you will never be able to possess, but given enough time you will develop your own style that you can be proud of.
I would say start with the brush pen if that's what you want to be using, there's no sense in getting good with a pencil first if they're two wildly different tools.

>>2883220
I'm just afraid of doing a shit ton of stupid ass gay pictures that looks bad with the pocket brush and then running out of ink. Gotta start somewhere, I guess.

Also, how do Sharpies fair as a drawing utensil? I was also interested in taking those up

>>2883188
Yeah, I believe this is when the brain gets so tired, it's like fuck filtering anything anymore, but the problem is it's because you're tired that it happens, so you can't work long like that.

What's the fastest rendering techniques you guys know? I need that for a project requiring tons of drawings...

>>2883270
block in

>>2883122
There used to be a torent or maybe a download folder with the Glen Vipplu stuff.
cant seem to find it though
wondering if anyone here has a link to it or something.

>>2883272
Hmm hm, that's a nice tip, thanks.
Any other method as useful as this one?

>>2883326
Using the lasso tool to select specific areas that you want to touch

That's a dumb question but if I learn to draw body parts really well separately when I draw a full body they will look alright?

>>2883519
Should be fine so long as you study gesture drawing too

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I'm looking into buying S.H.Figuarts body kun/body chan models from AliExpress, apparently they have it going for $23 but i'm not sure if its the real thing or not. I would post the link but its a fucking long one so just search it up.

Does it look like the real deal or am I going to get some nasty ass shit?

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>>2883519
Put emphasis on slow drawing over speed as a beginner. Don't fall for the gesture drawing meme it will fuck you up. So yes, construction, draw in boxes, think in perspective then speed.

>>2883654
What is the gesture drawing meme?

>>2883664
Reread my post, my less intelligent anonymous friend.
>putting higher emphasis on gesture over construction
as do most american figurative artists do

>>2883672
sorry teachers*

>>2882487
>Why am I so good at X but not good at dawning Y?

Usually when people say this, 100% chance they are complete garbage. Off to the beginner thread with you.

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>>2883672
Thank you, oh ye of superior intellect, for gracing us with your enlightened faggotry.

Was genuinely interested in what you were saying; pity you acted like a cunt. Now you can cram that fortune cookie bullshit right back up your chink-hole.

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>>2883699
A pity you can't comprehend my grace, for I was merely saving you from a trap laid by modern masters to cull the competition. If I owned a time machine, the first person on my kill list would be Nicolaides for coining the term 'gesture' as a mandatory practice in life drawing in American schools.

>>2883643
bumping, hoping to order today if its good

>>2882487
Keep a sketchbook of shit and doodles. It can be porn, it can be whatever, and most importanrly you don't have to share it with anyone. Sometimes aimless doodles can break a streak of drawing constant themes.

>>2882523
So then don't focus on the details of the muscle, focus on the shape of the form of the muscle itself. Is the muscle a cylinder? A cube? A sphere? Etc. Once you get used to the general form you'll learn about the details later when stusying them.

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>>2882538
Just as a rule, clothing drapes and folds on to the forms underneath it, and along the line of action. Also there's like 7 types of general folds (maybe more?) They're all in the pic.

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How do you keep the same value while changing hue? Especially with traditional media

In pic related, the bottom side of the clouds make a gradient from pink to yellow but in the B&W version the value stay the same, for example, how do you do that?

Thanks

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>>2883735

What are the best and most realistic pencil brushes you can get in Photoshop? I didn't really like Frenden's ones

Just curious, what you guys think of Hogarth? Marko endorses his books greatly and he says his friends give him shit because he likes Hogarth books.

>>2883765

Kyles animator's pencil is the comfiest pencil brush I've ever used in Photoshop. It's free too

>>2883787
i'd sooner recommend so many other things than Hogarth. i mean, so many newbies wonder towards terrible sources because of Google algorithms + forum newbies (who were also unwittingly guided by Google + Youtube algorithms. and now you have the same 6 names being perpetually pushed by novices)

still, the popular bridgman and loomis books are actually quite good (still, i recommend perspective + developing good taste + personal training over staring at figure drawing books too closely)

I need that "get good in one year" file, anyone got a link?

>>2883807
Aguri Guide

>>2883643
bump

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How do you start gathering a following on social media if you have 0 followers? I don't wanna bug my family& friends to follow my art accounts

>>2883931
But that's how it begins, by your mom following your blog.

>>2883937
Can you follow me Derek

>>2883940
sure

>>2883931
Post your work places, such as here: >>2883744 , and shit like reddit (find subreddits appropriate to your content (they exist), or post in the generic art related boards), and imgur. Tumblr and deviantart both have ways of sharing your shit with strangers (though I don't know much about either). You could also post in places like drawcrowd and pinterest.

You have to reach out if you want people to follow you. If you actively promote your own work by posting it various places and you still don't get a following, it means that you're probably a shit artist, or your work doesn't interest anyone (which also means you're a shit artist).

Good luck.

>>2883643
You do know that there are terabytes worth of sex reference pictures out on the internet, right? Why are you going to spend 23 dollars on wooden barbie dolls when you can save that cash for paying the bills or something more important?

Reference the pose off the internet, guy. Save some cash.

>>2883971
>sex reference
I don't see the word "sex" in his post. Reference mannequins can be used for more than sex poses.

>>2883971

the image was meant to be a joke.

I wanted it for non sexual references more importantly, while I suppose your point still stands, I like the flexibility of not having to shuffle through files load of reference photos. I just want to know if anyone else has used one and if the quality of it is good.

What's a good book/video to learn to make better colors and values?

>>2884017
Nothing will help you make better colors and values except by doing it.

>>2884018
I mean just better at understanding the concept. I get values, but colors I don't get colors that well.

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How to I achieve this effect, I don't know how to explain it but there's some kind of glowing/vignette thing going on with the lineart.

>>2884236
Apply outer glow to the lineart layer with reduced opacity for the effect

>>2884236
>>2884241
or duplicate layer with lineart and add gaussian blur

>>2884245
yeah

I was not sure but I remember I used to do that a while ago when there was the trend with forum sig

But I don't remember how it differs

>>2884245
Thanks man

How the fuck do you use a fountain pen?

Who is that traditional (asian?) painter who had these gorgeous models pose for her in maid outfits or something.

At least that's all I can remember of him.

>>2884353
Misawa Hiroshi?

>>2884354
Maybe, but I feel like he was a more contemporary, younger artist. and the image I have in my head is much lewder.

>>2884351
What part of it are you having trouble with? ParkaBlogs has some good discussion about it though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpUmgOwlJfk

>>2884354
Jesus, I wonder how many times this guy had to fail before he reached this level.

>>2884371
Making the ink leave the pen

>>2884402
Well, you need to put the pen nib to the paper surface and move it around.

You need to elaborate some more. Like, is the ink skipping or is it not producing lines at all? Is the pen filled with the proper ink to help prevent clogging? Is it a new pen or a pen that has been laying around for months without use?

Why do I think my art is gud?

why is my art not gud when I post it on /ic?

>inb4 this is b8

>>2884404
It's new, I bought it today. Most of the time it doesn't draw, but when it does the ink skips. Am I holding it wrong or something?

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Dumb question

I've ran out of ports on my graphics card

Can I still use the HDMI output on my motherboard?

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>>2884414
In that beginner video from the earlier post, there are short demos of different fountain pens and how each one performs (2:55, 4:03, 5:45, 10:10). Hopefully the visuals can help guide you a bit better. Double check the converter/cartridge to make sure its inserted properly and is using FP-safe ink. A last resort is taking the pen fully apart to check for clogging or other internal issues within the feed. It's not the same as flushing a pen out if it needs to be cleaned between uses/switching to different inks. Because it's a last resort, you need to take care that you don't fuck up and accidentally damage the pen (even more than it might already be).

What brand & type of fountain pen are you using though? There are some really subpar brands around, and tons of fakes of more popular brands (this happens a lot with Lamy pens). Nothing will really help if you get a defective pen right from the get-go. I've had a few instances like this (Platinum Preppy fine nib & FranklinCovey medium nib) where the pens were pretty much busted at the start. Doing the above steps to try to remedy the problem did fuck all. The Preppy constantly skips and produces a solid line very rarely, while the FranklinCovey needs to be used upside-down to even get skipped lines. That one never produced a solid line for me.

These were more inexpensive pens (Platinum Preppy is usually under $10 USD; FranklinCovey was around $25), so not too huge of a loss compared to how it can potentially be with $100+ pens. However, I've had other fountain pens within those price ranges (medium nib Preppies, Platinum Carbon EF desk pen, Pilot Metropolitans, etc) rarely skip unless it runs out of ink. Shit happens.

>>2881895
How the fuck do faces work? These things piss me off because it's like everybody sees something I don't and I can't figure it out.

>>2884453
Yeah, you're seeing symbols, and not 3D forms.
Draw me a face right now.

How much would it cost to hire an artist to draw a 'manga' I have been writing for months?

>>2884481
A lot more than you can afford.

But to be honest, it really depends on what quality of art you desire. I've had a buddy who did like 50$ a page or something? Anyways, it was cheap enough that he had a few chapters for his manga. It was cool, it wasn't like Murata, but it was like I guess Semi-Togashi, not super refined Togashi, but not lazy Togashi.

>>2884487
Interesting. I could afford something like that easily.
>My shit comic will actually get made after all
Feels good man, thank you dude.

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Can someone help me with the head placement on the neck. I can draw the head first and then the neck, but I cant do visa versa. I use the loomis method

>>2884353
Are you talking about that one artist who painted a chubby maid but changed the skirt shot to defy physics?

How can I apply the loomis method to create a face in anime style?

>>2884602
It's quite simple in theory, difficult in execution.
Loomis makes the head in a way that it's more of an ellipse. Anime style heads are like round because of the cheeks, so you have to draw the chin and cheeks round basically. Easier said than done, but that's the basic concept. Eyes, mouth, nose, ears, hair are in the same place. Drawing the chin and cheeks are the most difficult part.

Is it useful to take the time to learn how to draw a straight line?

>>2884630
Yes.

Is it drawing though? No.

>>2884631
Will it help me in my later drawings?

>>2884632
Getting better at anything helps in the long run, but the short run and mid run tends to be more important for people who can't even see the path between here and the future.

>>2884634
I just like to see myself improve. I'll continue with my line practice. Thanks

>>2884636
No problem. Here's some advice for the future, when you stop seeing yourself improve, it means to get out of your comfort zone and try something you haven't before.

>>2884639
Aha, I doubt I'll be seeing no improvement for a while. My art is shit but i have all these great resources around me and load of time to fully divulge them. The only path to tread is up!

But I will internalize that piece of advice for the future, after I finally make it. :)

How do you study the figure more comprehensively? I've noticed that when I'm doing gestures, I feel so pressed for time that I don't even look at the pose when I'm drawing, I look at my page instead for a majority. This is really bugging me because after a session I just don't feel like I've internalized anything I just drew. Should I take my time and go for a more slower paced approach?

>>2884825

Yes absolutely. The secret to drawing fast later is drawing slow and deliberate now.

Just think of someone learning to play drums. They start off very slowly and have to think about each beat but after doing this for so long they can slowly get faster and develop muscle memory + rhythm. Same with drawing.

You can do 2 hours of 60 gestures and not remember anything or 2 hours of six 20-minute studies and clearly remember them the next day.

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How to make art like this? I mean what kind of software(Photoshop or Sketchbook pro?) brushes, techniques? I am mostly interesed how to draw skin like this

>>2884852
those are just tools, any of them can do it, you just need skill

>>2884865
Im asking about tools
geez...

>>2884852
No specific program is going to make it easier to make something like that. Photoshop is the industry standard for illustration, but other programs work just as well. You could achieve that skin using the default hard and soft round brushes, no problem. Get practicing.

>>2884868
Which is irrelevant. If you know how to draw and paint you can do this with any medium.

>>2883735
>>2883739
bump

I'm trying to get better at making poses and such, since every time I draw a character it feels stiff as fuck.
So the solution would be gesture drawing right? But I don't fucking get it. Do I just make a stickman of someone making a pose, trying to get the 'motion' down, and that's it?

>>2884941
If you want to get better at drawing poses it makes sense to draw poses, doesn't it?

What bridgman books I should get?

>>2884950
I didn't find bridgman useful. For learning anatomy it's in my opinion better to get a book for sculptors and 3d artists instead.

Are there any companies that make charcoal pencils that are the same thickness as normal graphite pencils?

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>>2884941
You should watch videos on how artists proceed

I personnally like to keep rough sketches of proficient artists because it's a pragmatic version of gesture, it's not as abstract as what you learn in the books, but it's still serves as a good basis to lay the pose and shapes

In the end, it's always that : just do things your way, by taking advice but not following them too strictly, better try and tweak things rather than stick to a method you don't fully understand

I uploaded a zip with a bunch of rough I downloaded here and there, you can understand a bit of the workflow by analyzing them (nothing amazing) https://u.nya.is/kceyeu.zip

Also this link is not too bad for a more concrete approach of the usually abstract description of what a gesture is

But I'm not an expert and also a beginner so you might want to wait for a better artist to tell you http://figuredrawingdotinfo.blogspot.com/search/label/Gesture

>>2884941
Try Hogarth. People can shit on him all they want but his drawings are... well, dynamic.

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>>2884979
>>2884941

there's a special hell for people recommending hogarth to poor newbie.

learn perspective + read anything on figure drawing that isn't hogarth + cultivate good taste, never stop looking for new artists + learn the importance of those words on the left, good tutos will cover it

Question for the pen and ink artists. More than half the time when I try to draw, the ink wont flow and instead get stuck on the nib (like a bubble full of it). Is it a problem with the ink? nib? paper?

>>2884987
maybe add some water to it

not to the full pot of course

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>>2884941
Use gesture as a way to organize forms, to make them more fluent and organic. Then, draw pulling muscles and pinching and stretching of flesh on top.

>>2885030
That looks like crap. Reminder why gesture for beginners is a meme.

>>2885035
>Everything I disagree with is a meme

>>2885035
It does, but I used the same procedure Vilppu or Rubens 400 years ago used. I tried to get the idea across, not to make a pretty drawing.

Possibly stupid question ahead
I've been struggling a while to draw eyes that I think look appealing. Are there any guidelines at all about how eyes 'should' look? For example the eye shape, placement and form of eyelashes, iris size etc

What are some must-read books? Not talking about absolute beginner stuff like Fun with a Pencil.

My biggest weakness is that I lack control. I can't draw nice circles or squares or anything.

What are some exercises to help with this?

>>2885210
Learn to draw the structure of them correctly first, then later you can stylize from a place of knowledge instead of random guessing:
http://www.proko.com/how-to-draw-eyes-structure/

Also of course if there are any specific artists who do eyes in a way that you really like, try to find as many of their images as possible and analyze what it is that makes them so appealing.

>>2885223
Just slow down and focus on the mark you are making. Some people spend time practicing drawing ellipses and straight lines, but personally I think this is a bit of a waste of time. Just draw things and as you draw them be conscious of how you are putting down each line. You can also do a very light sketch first for placement and then do a more confident sketch overtop of it. When dealing with difficult curves you can break them down into several straight lines first, then do the curve over that.

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How can I attain this style?

I'd describe it as something from an instruction booklet or patent file.

It has slight inefficiencies though that helps you understand its a human who drew it with a pen and nothing else.

Something like pic related

>>2885242
Looks like it was drawn in MS Paint to me.

In any case, that looks like something anyone off the street could produce with no training if they put in a little effort?

>>2882820
This. Every other community looks like a hugbox in comparison.

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>>2885242
I assume you mean, in a more advanced state, something like pic related. It's pretty much as easy as photobashing if you want the cheap and easy route which you probably don't.
You'd need to have a great comprehension of perspective on the basic shapes-- sphere, cube, pyramid, cone, cylinder, and tetrahedron-- an eye for construction of whatever the subject may be breaking it down into those basic shapes, and have great line efficiency, weight, and line economy in general.

Really, just grind fundamentals, effectively uses your lines, and avoid detail and rendering.

what do i give my kid (6)to learn? he says he wants to draw. would fun with a pencil be good?

>>2885345
You can tell this artist is really good by how cute the anime girl is.

Should I get an easel for drawing? Seems like it'd be better than hunching over a flat desk?

>>2885345
Thanks for the reply,

What books do you recommend?

I've just been following Proko mainly, and some videos but sometimes they get a little confusing.

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Where were you when /ic/ helped you realize how incompetent the body of work you've been building since your mid-teens is by being built upon cheap tricks and shortcuts that create gaping holes in your technique down the line?

How did you deal with the sudden lack of determination to improve or even work after that like a little pathetic faggot? And how did you regain that inspiration you lost and actually did shit instead of crooning for pity on an art board?

People like to push the meme that tracing manga pictures to get better works

But memes aside, does that actually work?

>>2885673
I hope you're joking. No one actually traces manga. I don't know a single person who does that. If you mean copying, then yeah, it works. Explaining the hows and why it works doesn't do you any good because you'll find a way to negate it. Just accept that drawing anything will get you better.

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>>2884017
If you mean get a good palette to work with, search for good photographies or illustrations on the subject/mood and start picking the colors.

>>2885793
Is this Japan? Nice.

>>2885610
No one cares. Whining isn't going to make you better. No one is gonna tell you some trick to turn your shit education into actual skill. Start from the beginning and learn the fundamentals, fucker.

>>2885799
You okay there, dude?

>>2885825
I'm just answering the question.

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>>2884017
I mean, just look at real life, it's the best example to get the colors.
>>2885795
Johannesburg, SA.

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>>2885795
That's what she says anyway.

How do most digital artists add in flats and general shading colors

Is it just lasso tool and bucket tool and then layer over shades and luminosity?

Embarrassing to ask but is it normal to have a fatigued arm after an hour of drawing? Brand new and I'm really skinny and weak.

I know you are supposed to draw from the shoulder except for fine detail, is your hand supposed to touch the paper at all? Any part of your arm resting on the table?

>>2886082
Yes. Drawing is very physically draining in the beginning, you get a lot of pains in the shoulders, the arm, the wrists, the hand, and the fingers.

There aren't really any rules in drawing such as drawing from the shoulder, it's helps with larger stuff, but don't sweat it too much and think it's absolute. You can let your hand touch the paper or your arm rest on the table. All that matters is if you can get your arm and hand into the right position to mark the kind of line you want. Sometimes you'll end up holding your pencil weird to do this, but hey if it works, there's no problem.

What exactly is form? Is it just understanding what things should look like on the sides you can't see?

>>2886092
That's sort of right. Form is referring to 3D just like how shapes refers to 2D. For instance, a cube is a 3D form while a square is a 2D shape. Hence it requires you to understand how something looks from the sides you don't to properly represent it in 3D.

>>2886089
Thanks for the quick reply!

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finishing up a muscle study poster for class, finished up all the labelling, wondering what to title it now, it's due tomorrow.

Was thinkin either "Musculature of a Toon" or maybe "Anatomy of a Barbera", something cute that plays on that I used barbera characters for the studies.

this assignment was kinda weird, specifically draw the muscles on top of a drawing somebody else did...

>>2886220
Is this real? Reverse search didn't find it anywhere.

Are you literally autistic? How can you misunderstand an assignment so much? Even if it's meant as a joke you totally mislabelled stuff and you would have been better off doing it properly.

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>>2886224
didn't get an assignment sheet or anything, my instructor just told me to copy the past assignments on the wall outside the class

sent the instructor my wips and he said it looked great, so idk what you'e gettin at friendo

>>2886228
The point of that exercise is to understand how artists treat anatomy, and how to recognize anatomical features and muscles. Placing them on a drawing as simplified as yogi bear is beyond pointless since his arms are just tubes. You've also misplaced most of the muscles slightly, but the biggest error by far is the brachioradialis which is TOTALLY in the wrong place on both arms. You somehow made it connect to the armpit on one arm and along the back of the other, and made it wrap the elbow area on both. In reality it originates just above the elbow on the lateral part of the arm and inserts down at the wrist on the radius.

Pick someone who paints more realistically or if you want to pick an animation then choose something with some defined anatomy like in the examples on the wall in that image.

I don't know why your instructor is telling you it is great. To be honest I would fail you if you handed that in. Sorry if it sounds harsh but it's the reality, and I hate to see you wasting time and money like this.

>>2886234
that's alright man, there's no problem tellin somebody how it is, it's important in this industry

i'll try to fix it up, gotta hand it in tomorrow but i should make it.

instructor said to copy any style and place the muscles on top of the drawing we picked, showed him the poses beforehand and he just said yeah go for it, he's a pretty vague guy.

probably just should've picked a glen keane picture or maybe space ghost or kronk from emperor's new groove

>>2886234
forgot to say thanks btw, that was really helpful

>>2886239
>>2886242
No problem, I'm happy it helped you. Sorry I was a douche in my first comment.

Here's an example of this exercise done by an actual anatomy teacher so you can see how it looks when done at a high level of precision (in this case on more realistic images than someone like Glenn Keane would do, but it still might help you a bit and show what the idea behind the exercise is):
http://www.reybustos.com/03ra/ra.html

>>2886253
>http://www.reybustos.com/03ra/ra.html
woah those are fantastic, thanks so much man

wish you were my instructor instead of this dip

last week he came in with a broken hand and a story about getting in a fight in a taco bell drive thru lmao

>>2886255
What on earth kind of school are you going to? It's a shame that good art education is so far and few between or is very expensive. At least online there are tons of good resources, you just need to put in the work on your own and be self critical in lieu of having someone else looking over your shoulder.

>>2886262
vancouver art institute, animation and art design program

it's been pretty good, been building up my portfolio and learning new techniques, met some cool people
this guy's a clownshoes though, I've had him twice for lifedrawing now and I'm kinda glad this'll be the last time, tomorrow's my last class.

>>2882164
>This is apparently two point perspective.
wtf. Sounds like some bullshit pseudo techtalk. Those two red circles are vanishing points. You can add as many of those as you want. You should always be able to look at a design and see if a lot of different vanishing points add up. It's not any more complicated than that. No need for teachers to pretend that kid's math is art science and trying to disguise it in fancy terms.

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How to deal with these fuckers? Photoshop

Any advice on where to put light sources in a setting to give it a more romantic atmosphere?

>>2886294
if youre trying to blend those transparent edges to make it all the same color, then youre wasting your time. learn how to actually use transparency. understand that your strokes will be transparent and learn how you can use that to you advantage.

>>2886294
With Krita, you could just set your brush's blending mode to "greater".

>>2886294
Blur them with the same brush

>>2886403
>blending modes
>>2886407
>blur

holy fuck just end it already

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What kind of perspective was used for this? especially the castle and houses in the back.

>>2886471
... i wish people would learn to use their brain.

>>2886471
3 point

What art schools are actually worth the investment?

Concept Design Academy is all that I've found.

>>2886582
Schoolism and SVS
Just use CDA

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I paid 10 euros to commission this. Do you think it was worth it?

The fact that the artist is from same country possibly means more to than it should. In the end it probably doesn't matter but I like the idea of money staying in my country.

In case it isn't clear, illustration features Oomukade from Monstergirl Encyclopedia.

>>2886709
If the piece is satisfying to you considering the price you paid, then it was worth it, simple as that.
I personally wouldn't have paid 10 euros for something of that quality, but that's a different question.

>>2886709
I mean it's amatuerish but you are paying utter shit so it's to be expected I guess. It looks like they put in a decent effort though, so if you are happy with it then it was worth it.

What's the best way to learn the stuff demonstrated in the Loomis books?

>>2886846
Read the text, copy his examples, try make your own drawings applying those principles. Repeat as necessary.

Is the purpose of block based construction to make bodies easier to place is perspective environments? If so could someone show some examples of complex uses of it? Thanks.

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>>2886860
Yes, and to have a consistent shape to draw upon since it's easier to fuck up proportions if you're drawing the actual shape of the body.

The more complex uses are basically just applying harder perspectives there's better methods to study other aspect of the figure. Rotating pictures like how pic related is a good way to analyze poses and improve your understanding of the figure.

Can i learn perspective with loomis books?

>>2886948
yes. not all of it though.

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Is it better to buy Promarkers or Brushmarkers?

>>2886951
Great! Which one is the best to learn perspective?

>>2886973
It's better to just go over the exercises in Perspective Made Easy if you're concerned with learning perspective. You'll pick up some of it from Loomis and straight up drawing, but it's way more efficient to buckle down and learn it. It makes learning everything else down the road a lot easier.

>>2886900
Thanks

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Anyone know where I can get a PDF for Gottfried Bammes "Complete Guide to Life Drawing"?

Any websites for good anatomy reference?

Best exercise to perform everyday?

>>2886994
https://human.biodigital.com/index.html (you need a google account)
http://funkymonkey1945.deviantart.com/gallery/53051270/TUTORIALS

>>2886997
The Loomis

>>2886999
will check these out. thanks!

What streaming sites besides twitch are out there? (Twitch doesn't seem to allow nudity of any sorts.)

>>2887012
fc2
picarto
youtube
ustream

I'm picking up drawing again after a couple years hiatus but I feel like I'm back at square one
What do to get back into the flow?

>>2887086
Ease into it and focus on consistency. So try to do 30 minutes each day to start and get into the habit of drawing again. Gradually you can increase the time to an hour or two or whatever you want. It might take a bit of time to get rid of rust, but just stick with it and develop good habits so you don't stop drawing again for another couple years.

>>2881895
For those who Loomis'd... Did you go through the whole book doing each exercise, start where you felt like you were at artistically, or just skip around in general? I'm not an absolute beginner and have been drawing for quite some time. I guess I just need to work on breaking things down and starting with solid shapes to understand what I'm looking at better. Ugh... honestly, I have no idea what to do.

>>2882783
I am drawing loomis head upon loomis head. Are you saying that the russian manual is top tier?

>>2887114
If you're this confused then you are probably more beginner than you think. Start from the beginning of the books and don't skip anything.

>>2887114
You are allowed to skip stuff, there's no art police arresting you. Don't be so autistic about it.

Whether that is a good idea or not, you're the only one who knows that. But be honest to yourself.

>>2887117
>>2887114
>If you're this confused then you are probably more beginner than you think.

This.

>>2882938

The big boy stuff being......?

>>2887120
The likelihood of me being autistic is quite high.

>>2887117
What I mean is, I'm confused as to whether I need to actually go through the whole book from beginning to end. You make a good point though. These beginning exercises are too easy, but I don't want to skip ahead of if I'm going to gain something I may not have had knowledge of in the beginning. I just answered my question.

>>2887114
I skipped around and went straight to figure drawing. I'm not a total beginner either so I didn't have problems with symbol drawing or anything like that.

But right now, I'm actually going back to Loomis since my figure drawing's hit a cap and I need to learn my anatomy and proportions to move forward.

There are very fundamental things you need to have a basic grasp of before moving on. Drawing 3d objects and indicating their form with values. Drawing those objects in perspective. Being able to draw what you see.

If you have a basic grasp of those, you should be able to tackle whatever you want to learn to draw. Then if you hit a wall, revisit the basics and see what you need to brush up on.

>>2882787
Try this, sweet pea.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/3x8albyng7pyxty/Fundamentals_Drawing_Mogilevtsev_English_%28c%29_print.pdf

>>2882787
Wait.... i dont think that download will work. lol

How does one "practice" his skills?
I've tried everything but it doesn't look like im improving.
What would anon draw on a regular day?

>>2887154
Cute anime girls.

>>2887141
woot thanks for the link

>>2887154
I'm practicing by going back to the beginning. So start by learning about simple shapes, learning tones and values, etc.

>>2887139
Thank you!!!!!! I think I'm just going to keep going from the beginning.

how old is dave rapoza?

>>2887154
>Finish a drawing.
>Figure out what sucks
>Figure out how improve what sucks and do studies so it doesn't happen again
>Rinse and repeat

You get better at what you do and suck at what you don't, basically.

>>2887154
Can you draw boxes in perspective, circles and ellipses? Straight lines? If not draw these daily.

Is there a FREE program with a brush that mimic real life pencil?

Can someone who uses Clip Studio Paint give me a rundown of the settings they use?

>>2887295
Krita. I don't find it as natural as sketchbook, but it's close. It's almost identical to photoshop in it's layout and even uses the same hotkeys and it's open source.

It has a few bugs still, though.

What do you guys do when you get tired from drawing and start being lazy and doing half-assed work?

Are mechanical pencils okay for sketching?

Where should your eyes be looking when you are drawing a straight line? I've heard at the pencil tip and at the end of where you want to draw but I can't really tell if it's helping me at all.

>>2887377
Learn something new.
If you're skilled then stylize or experiment a little bit.
If you're still a beginner then go do something easy like boxes or straight lines for a couple days, then come back to learning later. Better to spend days solidifying fundamentals than waste it trying to force a concept you don't want to learn.
Maybe draw exclusively what you want. 100 ft. lolis destroying a city, the anatomy of a frog, beautfiul landscapes, just do what you want to do and when you see the mistakes you make in the drawings then you know what to work on.

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How do you guys stay so focused and motivated while being so alone?

Whenever I start a project, I find myself getting distracted. But it's not just your regular ADHD, I realized that my distractions are actually me gravitating towards wherever there seems to be the presence of people. That includes 4chan, of course. And so I sat down with myself and tried to consciously just be alone, but I found that it was undeniably painful.

So is this just one of the things you get used to? any tips?

>>2887439
Pursuing art is a relatively solitary existence. Hours and days and years of studying and learning until you have enough skill so that people will be naturally drawn to you. I think if you want to learn how to be an artist, you must learn to appreciate your own company.

That's not to say you should isolate yourself, because you shouldn't. There are even times when people will join you on your journey, be it a life drawing class, a helpful paint over from a complete stranger, or the old words of a long-dead art instructor in the form of the books he left behind. You're never really alone, even if it feels like it.

>>2887438
Thanks man, this is good advice.

I've been drawing torso anatomy for a few hours today and within a few of them I was already slacking with my line work, shading, and all that.

I guess I can do other things in the mean time like perspective. I haven't studied that yet.

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>>2881895

Guys, is consuming D2 receptor agonists the key to creativity? It seems all drugs that wor partially or fully this Dopamine receptor are linked to states of mania and creative/artistic drive. Shit, I could easily get Cabergoline easily prescribed by a doc, and it seems nootropics such as Aniracetam, Acethylcholine and L-Devo all help increase the density of this receptor.


Anyone on a similar track? This is interesting as fuck

>>2887449
i'm starting to think that as i am not as alone as i believe, the opposite holds true. i am not as together with others as i think, and there also isnt any reason to feel as blissful as i do sometimes.

probably a dumb question and asked a million times before but ...

want to do digital illustration. is it better to learn technical skills with traditional tools or with a tablet? have experience with both

>>2887499
not at all a dumb question, hoping you get a response from someone experienced in the field.

>>2887499
For linework it's better to practice traditionally. For painting either is fine, though traditional skills transfer to digital better than the reverse. For something like trying out really experimental stuff like different weird palettes or major compositional changes digital is by far superior.

>>2886999
man the first one is dope! thanks for sharing it

>>2881895
if you knew you were going to have parkinson's disease in about 5-7 years time would you give a shit about painting anymore?

Because that's my future and I just can't paint right now. I open a new canvas and just think "Whats the fucking point".and just can't make a mark.

fucking life.

>>2887568
You have 5-7 years. You better paint your ass off anon. Do you know what you could produce in that time frame? DO IT!!!! I swear on everything, don't give up.

>>2887479
Can you revise like 100% of that?

>>2883188
That's pretty typical of people who tend to be artistically inclined. Even if I'm tired, I'll want to stay up.

>>2887579

What do you mean by ''Revise''?

>>2887579

I have been reading scientific studies on the topic of creativity and manic states, it seems that a particular receptor for the neurotransmitter dopamine in the stratum it heavily linked to idea generation and artistic drive. There's certain drugs that partially or fully active this receptor, meaning that it gets flooded with dopamine and this changes your behavior. These drugs I mentioned are called ''Agonists''. One of this drugs for example, is Cabergoline, which is prescribed to patients with Parkinson disease, and it seems there's many reported cases where people who get started on this Dopamine D2 receptor agonists start experiencing an increase drive for artistic expression and capacity for creativity, much like a manic genius.

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3369413/

I am considering asking my psychiatrist to prescribe these agonist to me. If anything, it'll make for fun times experimenting and finding out stuff.

Is there a moment where you can say to yourself "I am ready to stylize" or should you try to stylize some stuff while also studying fundamentals and shit?

>>2887661

According to Loomis, and some other random words of wisdom I keep hearing. One should never bother himself with style, one should focus on fundamentals and working on projects you enjoy, and the style will develop by itself.

Is posemaniac an okay site to study from or should I just stick to pictures of actual people?


>inb4 life drawing is better
I know.

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How do you accurately place tilted objects in perspective? Drawing boxes that are perfectly aligned towards the horizon line is fine and shown everywhere.

But tilted objects like the picture? What about anything that isnt perfectly aligned?

I'm looking for a theory book that I can read before sleeping.
I'll be away from pencils and pcs so I won't be able to do the exercises.
What pure theory books would you recommend?

>>2887699
Why didn't you use a box as a base to figure out the correct perspective??

>>2886983
I'm also interested. But let's wait until they create a new artbook thread to ask for it. Anons are more helpful there.

A list of websites to download resoursces, books, workshops, etc. Torrents maybe?

>>2887875
Art book thread

>>2887875
What >>2887876 and CGpeers.

>>2887876
Been there, not a lot about videos.
>>2887878
>CGpeers
Thanks, but one page tells me it's invite only and other that it opens some times.
Anything else?

>>2886997
Deadlift

Anyone know any good videos of artists drawing in real time? There's a lot of videos like that for digital art, but I'm interested in watching some examples of people drawing on physical media.

>>2888247
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB9berO64_friwLRsKQ9fag/videos

>>2887884
Register the 1st or 15th of any month.

Are there any mainstream stores in the US that sell art supplies, or should I just order stuff online? Obviously Target and shit carry basic stuff, but I want to get into studying seriously so I want to get some drawing and painting supplies and equipment.

>>2888448
Any major city should have several art stores. I don't know what the american ones are called, but there should be at least a couple of chain art stores, and you likely have one or two smaller mom-and-pop type thing too. They're worth checking out since you can see the materials first hand and feel them, which is important for things like paper. I'd check out prices of things online as well before buying because it might be cheaper for some items even with shipping.

Are there any guides to digital painting specifically with Clip Paint Studio? Every digital painting guide I see talks about Photoshop.

I know they are functionally similar, but it seems like PS has much more versatility and support when it comes to brushes. I don't know, maybe I'm just retarded and don't know how to use this program

>>2888541
Literally just experiment, jesus christ just how much hand holding do you faggots need? If you can't even solve this, don't even think about solving a fucking drawing. Not gonna fucking make it.

>>2888568
Oh wow, what a great idea. I guess all those billions of times I experimented and it came out shit, I just didn't experiment hard enough.

While we're at it, maybe I should just stop reading all those guides on drawing fundamentals and just EXPERIMENT all day

fuck off

>>2888586
This is why it's recommend that if you want to get into drawing anime you need >need< to lean Japanese. All the CSP and SAI guides are in runes.

Is there a cost effective way of getting into silverpoint?

>>2888586
Not that anon, but experiments don't need to be good. Look at Craig Mullins for example, a lot of the time his experiments are shit. You keep and store what works, discard stuff that doesn't work, and in the process you learn more about your software and yourself.

>>2888541
Just learn the basics of rendering. Ctrl+paint or whatever has it.

Hey guys, what's a good resource for learning perspective with figure drawing?

I have perspective made easy but I'm still not clear on how to apply that on figures.

>>2888715
I thought PMS covered how to draw figures in perspective. Loomis even does the same thing. But if you really really need an answer anon, it's meant to show you the planes of the body. Like the front and back of a cube is the front and back of a body.

Hi /ic/ im really bad at shading and i don't know what parts you should put the shade. Can anyone give me some advice on how to shade? or maybe link me to some tutorials?

>>2888765
Put the shade in the shadow brah, that's what shade comes from.

>>2888718
I will check Loomis, thanks

I have trouble being consistent or finding my own style. Every image that I draw is tragically different in style than the last one, and I think it's based on influence from media. How do I build up my own style?

>>2889164
Draw a lot more. Maybe tell me what you like.

>>2889166
I like anime/manga stuff, if that narrows it down I guess.

>>2889200
Yeah, it does.. Look at what you like and copy their styles. Eventually you'll see that what you like and what you like drawing and two different things.

Anyone else feel like they're having low sex-drive? Been drawing for 5 years now and hardly anything turns me on anymore unless I make a conscious effort to be. I'm so hooked on drawing and school that I unconsciously stopped watching porn and stopped masturbating to the point that I'm having nocturnal emissions fucking bi-weekly.

>>2881895
where can I find vilppu's videos? Everywhere I look has 0 seeds.

>>2881895
I want to draw comics (weebshit), should I focus more on creating as many comics as possible or should I devote more time to grinding the fundies?

Is it necessary to always have vanishing points when drawing a figure or is it okay to just draw lines parallel and not converging towards the vanishing point?

>>2890296
There will always be a VP, it's just sometimes so far out, that perspective isn't extreme enough to warrant actually being precise.

>>2890300
I see. okay thanks

Can you guys recommend me a good sketch/drawing app on Android? A good stylus specifically for drawing would help too. I'm using a nexus 6p.

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can someone tell me what program this is? I'm guessing it's photoshop...if so, how do I get it to look like this? having those swatches would be nice, and everything looks real convenient.

So I've been doing lots of figure drawing and I still don't feel confident about creating from imagination, like designing a character or something. I feel like even though I'm practicing figures, it's still not clicking for me.

There seems to be a gap from drawing figures from reference and being able to create them as you want. How did you guys manage to close that gap?

>>2890591
Draw from imagination more, less looking at references. You have to let yourself be free instead of limiting yourself.

>>2890597
Hm, alright I guess that's fair. I'll start doing that. Thanks.

What's the best way to construct a head? I try loomis's method but It doesn't work well on extreme angles.

Any books or tips on constructing scenes in perspective or just in general?

>>2890534

Looks like Paint Storm