/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

Cross posting my post from old thread:

>>2862551

tried registering to cg peers but I'm constantly getting same error. advice?

>>2862577
How about: the sticky.
For real, have you worked through Betty Edwards/Bert Dodson yet?

>>2862579
No, I did a yolo benchmark, I was hoping somebody could point out a substantial flaw and that would be a major area of focus.

File: Shitpolish.png (238KB, 807x615px) Image search: [Google]

238KB, 807x615px

Am I polishing a turd?

>>2862578
just keep trying different emails

gmail and firemail didnt work for me but yandex did

took me like 10 tries

File: 20170216_003219.jpg (3MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4032x3024px

Hit me, I can see it isn't good but im not the best at pinpointing it. Even if I could, I wouldn't know how to fix it.

>>2862586
You do appear to be drawing from observation, but because you aren't using construction or gesture techniques your drawing looks dis-jointed. Parts of it are out of proportion with other parts.
Keep up the observation drawing, it's good and will help, but if you want to improve, I recommend you split your time between drawing and reading about how to draw. Eg, the sticky, but google is also a friend.

File: 3ae6bb8cd9348b425b96df5cda8134a7.jpg (2MB, 1200x1409px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1200x1409px

>>2862595

somewhat but your refence is a turd so no b

try this instead

File: fug.jpg (41KB, 445x647px) Image search: [Google]

41KB, 445x647px

>>2862557

>>2862651
take your time (and try to do it on pencil and paper)

File: ic_hands.jpg (723KB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

723KB, 4032x3024px

>>2862620
I see two flaws. The hand seems to be too flat, and the fingers are too close to the same size. The fingers are pretty skinny to, but some people have skinny fingers, so whatever.
Also the definition on the thumb seems wrong.
Not much, but I did what I could.

>>2862659
>chicken scratching digitally
How does one justify this?

>>2862661

No confidence in themselves and their lines. Solved by drawing more and making it a point not to chicken scratch.

File: 1486566312685.jpg (87KB, 594x594px) Image search: [Google]

87KB, 594x594px

What would be the best way learn to sketch like pic related.

I've been going through 'keys to drawing' and I understand that the book is to hammer in good habbits so should I move to loomis once finished with Dodson.

>>2861444
This is a sketch I did from the other thread if that helps any

>>2862661

>Using Lazy Nezumi
>Using any kind of line correcting gadget


Chicken scratch is the new cool, kid.

>>2862645
What makes this reference good or the other one bad.

>>2862595
No, you look like you've just barely started man. You need more contrast. As in more darks and more lights.

File: 2017-02-15.jpg (79KB, 1000x701px) Image search: [Google]

79KB, 1000x701px

How am I suppose to render? I don't feel like I'm doing it the correct way.

>>2862561
Anyone got more lighting like this one? Really like it. Especially that part in the back with the light hitting the leaves at the top and you're able to see the long grass on the ground.

>>2862691
Looks fine to me, anon. You need more lights though. Keep at it, rendering is basically just creating form from shapes.

>>2862691
The easiest way to simplify it is to do background value>shadow values>midtones>lights

>>2862706
>easiest way
>simplify
There is no such thing. Stop lying between your teeth. It's all hard or not at all.

>>2862687
proportions on the first were pretty horrible, the second one is a master drawing. If you're gonna be copying flat images you're better off doing master copies than pictures anyway

>>2862709
This is so dumb, you don't even know.

>>2862708
I just described what they teach at basically every atelier in the world. It is way easier than fucking around until it looks right.

You do background value first to provide context for the shadows
then you get your shadow values to provide context for the midtones/lights
saying "you can't simplify" is the most retarded shit I've ever seen. Art is all about simplification, obviously you can't get 100% accuracy and even if you could then you'd just be a really shitty camera.

>>2862711
>>2862708
Stop baiting in the beginner thread

File: as.jpg (323KB, 3435x922px) Image search: [Google]

323KB, 3435x922px

>>2862161
someone asked how to draw hair in the last thread so here's my attempt

>>2862721
Nice, you make any more tutorials, anon?

>>2862723

uhh i can try? i watched the vilppu vids religiously in high school and i know anatomy pretty swell.

are there any tutorial requests you'd like me to try?

File: Screenshot_2017-02-16-00-52-44.png (251KB, 439x783px) Image search: [Google]

251KB, 439x783px

>>2862552
This is actually my first submission here, been lurking for like a week.
I'm trying to into portraits.
I obviously still suck at this, but I like to believe there's potential for improvement if I started considering it more than a hobby, but some of the scheduels that some anons here suggested sound really overwhelming. I hohontnestly dont know if I'm up for that kind of commitment.

>>2862725
Can you explain gestures, I just don't get it, anon. How do I see this energy, this flow, that resides within the human body? It's like artists see something else than normal people do.

>>2862727
What are you learning from?

>>2862727
You don't really have to commit to whatever schedule you see posted here, just draw whenever you can/want.
As long as you're studying smart you'll see improvements regardless of how long you study.
Leave demanding study schedules for when you decide to go on a profesional level, try to at least enjoy drawing while you're on the beginner stage and not burn out.

>>2862735
I never learned from anything in particular, I doodled my way through. I'm only now reading up on this loomis guy in the sticky

File: 7a0e6ab250920917644dba6adb3c37ea.jpg (81KB, 1600x1176px) Image search: [Google]

81KB, 1600x1176px

>>2862728

ok ill try but i think you have the wrong idea about gesture

the definition from google:

a movement of part of the body, especially a hand or the head, to express an idea or meaning.
"Alex made a gesture of apology"
synonyms: signal, sign, motion, indication, gesticulation; show
"a gesture of surrender"

so a gesture CONVEYS something greater than itself

if a make gesture of pointing my fingers like a gun at you, i am CONVEYING shooting you, something you yourself ascertain from a small gesture. nothing about pointing my fingers like a gun and saying BOOM is anything like a real gun, your intellect makes the jump and goes "oh GUN !"

in a gesture drawing you are trying to convey the final drawing before actually drawing it.

i'll make a tutorial real quick using posemaniacs so you better understand that actual process, and hopefully merit of doing gesture drawings (which to a beginner seem pointless, but that they are difficult, but simple, should clue you in to the fact that are worth learning)

So I downloaded both Dynamic Sketching 1 and 2 with Peter Han and I got to ask: is it better to go with his course or go with DrawABox, which is based on the former? I like the videos but DAB gives feedback on those lessons.

>>2862741
>this good from just doodling

>>2862743
DrawABox is more beginner friendly, Dynamic Sketching is for people who are dedicated and committed to pain and definitely want to improve.

>>2862745
been doodling since I was like 7, 19 now. I get bored alot in class. 12 years of doodling is alot I guess. Only recently started considering putting it to something useful (tryed to impress a girl and it worked).

>>2862748
Well I'd rather do Dynamic Sketching, just worried that ill stay too long on one lesson or end up doing it wrong all this time.

>>2862752
tried*
sorry.

>>2862736
Sounds like a plan.
Thanks anon.

>>2862754
>end up doing it wrong all the this time
Common beginner mindset. Get it out of your head. We make mistakes all the time and do it wrong all the time. What matters is that you don't stop and figure out how to not do it wrong and all on your own. No one is going to be your hand-held tutor unless you pay them some good bucks. Besides, each lesson is only a week,. You can do that. Dynamic Sketching 1 is really "easy". It starts off simple, but then it ups the curve at like week 8 where you actually start drawing. Dynamic Sketching 2 is Week 8+ but with different subjects

>>2862743
Do draw a box if you're paying for critique but you should keep some things in mind. First of all, the drawabox guy isn't great. He's professional, but not at a major studio, and it shows in his work. You should also learn a little bit about perspective because he doesn't cover it properly at all. A read through of Perspective made easy, or Loomis's book on perspective should teach you of some of the basics everyone should know.

>>2862759
Guess your right. I can try the weekly thing, using the previous week's lessons as warm ups before starting the current one. Thanks, anon.

File: lines n sheet.png (146KB, 859x504px) Image search: [Google]

146KB, 859x504px

I've been grinding out my exercises because my lines on a tablet are garbage but I've been doing this daily for months and it's doing nothing for me.

>>2862825
Maybe because you weren't meant to make it.

Anyways, maybe you're lying.

Or maybe it really doesn't do anything because your brain doesn't get it.

Whatever it is, drop it and go draw. What do you want to draw. Draw it.

File: 02.png (107KB, 426x508px) Image search: [Google]

107KB, 426x508px

>>2854399
Rendering is tough

File: 20170215_210513 - Copy.jpg (154KB, 601x1000px) Image search: [Google]

154KB, 601x1000px

More shit.

I threw away the time limit completely... Now I just work until I get stuck.

At first I was doing 20-minuters, then 40, now no limit.

Advice welcome.

Proportion / perspective / lighting / construction issues: I don't have a fucking clue.

Tool issues: I'm always at the limit of resolution on these damn pencils... I'm using 2B pencils and a conventional sharpener and the small detail lines are too thick. I spilled over on the eyes, i case it wasn't obvious, and I have no way to erase things that small without scrubbing entire feature (like the whole eye) and that just leaves graphite smudged EVERYWHERE and it's worse than before.

I want to go digital, but... Fuck...

>>2862857

...But that was a great way to do hand exercises!

I fit 5 hands into that one. Lol.

>>2862857
Damn, this is creative and better than anything I've done. You should go to digital.

>>2862861

Thanks. I wish there were better resources for people who don't know anything about it.

I travel for a living, so portability is paramount.

I thought about going the iPad Pro route, but I'm worried that it limits me to casual art only... All the good help out there seems aimed at PC/Photoshop, but the surface options seem insufficient for that.

>>2862863
The tablet is just a tool, it's not as different as you think it is. The only issue I can see is battery being a problem. But the tablets nowadays such as the surface and iPad Pro allow you to work to a very high level now unlike back then where detailing was a bit of a problem. It's not anymore. This means you just need the skill to do it, the tool isn't an issue.

File: ss+(2017-02-16+at+02.19.14).png (691KB, 956x537px) Image search: [Google]

691KB, 956x537px

>>2862828
You saw straight through my lie, yeah I haven't been doing this for months but I have been ashamed of my lines for years and any efforts I've made to improve it fall apart at the slightest hesitation.

It makes anything I draw look god awful but no matter how much I try to keep it simple but if at any point in the drawing I have trouble envisioning what I'm drawing I'll subconsciously revert back to using too many lines

>>2862721

How are you supposed to hold the stylus that way?

>>2862728

Have you checked Michael Hampton book and CGMA 8 week seminar? (you can torrent it). It goes into detail with it, friendo.

File: shotglasses.png (2MB, 1328x747px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1328x747px

Drew a Mickey Mouse shot glass using W&N ink (the Dragon one with a funky smell) and then Sumi Ink using the Hunt 102 nib.

>>2862893
Hampton is the specific book that got me confused about this whole gesture thing. Although, I do have that seminar, there's a ton of stuff so I haven't watched it all.

>>2862871
Don't worry about it. It's such a minor thing in the whole picture that it hardly matters. As you gain more experience, you'll eventually know where to put your lines down anyways. So keep drawing, keep learning, and keep improving.

What's the easiest website to get ass pats for my shitty drawings? I don't want critique since I know what I have to improve, I just like getting compliments.

>>2862902
Tumblr, you get a ton of followers for just shitty fan art, instagram too. DeviantArt if you're into talking with shitty artists who aspire to become great one day.

File: Hampon, Week 1 seminar.png (206KB, 1144x654px) Image search: [Google]

206KB, 1144x654px

>>2862895

I got confused by reading the book too, as it is not really explained in great detail. I just finished watching week 1, and not only does he give you examples of how he does it himself, but also shows how other famous artists like Rembrandt or Michelangelo used it too.

File: Screenshot_20170215-220119.png (1MB, 1080x1920px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1080x1920px

>>2862921
oops posted photo instead of screenshot

File: behind again.png (412KB, 1366x800px) Image search: [Google]

412KB, 1366x800px

>>2862897
I'm pushing myself as much as I can to keep going but ever since I started draw a box I feel like I've fallen down the stairs of drawing skill and now I'm trying to crawl back up with broken limbs.

I had to scrap this drawing when I realized that there were some glaring issues when I measured vertically.

It's really disheartening when I compare it to the one I did when I was purely observationally drawing sure it didn't fit on the page but it flows so much nicer and isn't horribly ridged.

File: kek.jpg (2MB, 9790x3033px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 9790x3033px

>>2862728

ok so what i learned in trying to teach gesture?

its fucking impossible.
You have to just DO IT. you learn by doing it.

consider this a meta introduction and analysis about gesture drawings, but also realize that even I must practice by doing them.

if you are intimidated by gesture drawings, try reading this, but then GO DO SOME.

there is no true tutorial on gesture drawings, its something you grasp by doing.

>>2862936
Much appreciations, anon. My favorite part of the whole tutorial was the page about the car analogy. It's the vehicle for the final product as in it's the base on which everything if built upon, so if this is really good, everything else will be (maybe) good. Should I practice construction as well as anatomy over the gestures I do?

>>2862743
where2download

>>2862958
cgpeers

>>2862953

i wouldn't suggest it, try to just focus on gestures separately. gestures are a beast in themselves already.

My supervisor saw me drawing at work and said she thought I had talent. Jokes on her, I actually referenced that drawing.

>>2862968
I've noticed lately that anyone who sees you even draw thinks you're special. It's kind of cool.

File: 31%2BC0iBZMFL._SX425_.jpg (11KB, 425x285px) Image search: [Google]

11KB, 425x285px

>>2862552
Hey dudebros,

I have an ancient Wacom Bamboo, the original MTE-450 model. I've had it for quite some time.

It's 5.8" x 3.7". I feel like it's cramping me a bit due to the small size mapping it to a decent size HD monitor. I end up just drawing with my wrist rather than from the shoulder.

Is it worth getting a larger tablet, or is that "newbie investing in tools thinking that will magically make them better"?

Thinking about the offbrand stuff, like Monoprice.

>>2862978
Why not just get one of the new small wacoms
They're cheap and good while not being too cramped.

>>2862552
Tech advice?

I'm trying to switch from GIMP to Krita, but Krita runs like a fat whore. Seriously, Witcher 3 on max settings runs fine, fucking GIMP runs great, but Krita a shit for performance. It stutters and there's some input lag that's driving me nuts.

Windows 7 64 bit. Doesn't help that Firefox even with only 1-2 tabs open eats nearly 2 gigs of ram idling.

>>2862978
You should probably try to invest in a larger tablet if it's too small to use your arm to draw with.

I would recommend a Huion tablet if you're not feeling like being jew'd buying a wacom.

I use a Huion h610 pro and it's lasted much longer than my old bamboo did and it's pretty big.

>>2862986
Krista is known for being pretty laggy even on specs that should run it fine. The downfalls of it being free, I suppose. I had problems with lag as well so I just said fuck it and pirated photoshop

>>2862986
Why not just use photoshop or sai
They're both free

>>2862981
OK, let me rephrase this:

Is a 5.8x3.7" drawing area "cramped" or am I just a little bitch?

I feel like none of this practice on the tablet will translate to attempting traditional art, just due to the difference in work area.

Traditional art is closer to the actual size of my monitor. This tablet is like training to draw in a 3" area.

>>2862992
>h610
>Literally 4x the area of the bamboo
Much better looking.

>>2862935
Often in drawing you get worse before you get better. It's just how it works, you have to grow a pair and push through it.

For the 250 box exercise should I draw a vanishing point to connect them?

>>2862998
The pressure sensitivity is around the same as tablets in much higher price ranges too, its quite a steal.

Regarding the drivers if you do end up going for it the latest drivers messed it up pretty badly, causing random stopping in my lines so I had to go back 2 versions to fix it but you should be fine with the packaged drivers.

>>2863007
The 250 box exercise is meant for each box to be done separately.

>>2863007
>pressure sensitivity
At what point is this a meme? Genuine curiosity. Same w/ the other stats.

All these tablets throw around numbers but I have no reference as to "good enough".

I have no major complaints w/ pressure sensitivity w/ my ancient Bamboo, since my own physical control is less than what it's capable of.

>>2863012
It's a meme until you're at pretty much expert level because a beginning artist won't know how to control their pressure anyways.

>>2862890
you ever heard of a pencil?

>>2863009
Well, I'm only 40 boxes in so I guess I can start again.

>>2863012
It's probably a meme but I'm quite autistic with number comparisons.

>>2863016
>It's a meme
>>2863014
>It's not a meme

God damn it guys. This is reminding me of /tg/ getting me to buy high-end Sable brushes. Four years of painting miniatures later I even get commissions, but I actually prefer Taklon which is way cheaper.

>>2863015

Of course, which is why I specifically ask about the stylus method. Smartass. McfuckingFuck yourself, moonmare.

Anyone know something that can help me learn to stop holding the stylus so hard?

When I really focus on my drawings I tend to really hold the stylus tightly and press down hard and it's getting to be a real pain.

It's also something that I have to keep my attention on or I'll forget, it's like trying to always start walking with your left foot.

>>2863116
Why does it matter? If it gets you results, then there's no problem.

>>2863117
It cramps my hand and is ruining my tablet and stylus.

>>2863122
Then I guess, you're just going to have to fix it with control and make it a habit.

File: SmokingSketch.jpg (140KB, 1478x1412px) Image search: [Google]

140KB, 1478x1412px

Anyone have tips for learning how to paint? I can sketch things but I don't have any knowledge on how to paint from imagination. Should I just start by doing studies of pictures? Pic is something I threw up awhile ago.

File: WebWCHatgirlanLinelady.jpg (373KB, 1000x565px) Image search: [Google]

373KB, 1000x565px

Yeah its nothing special but I feel like I am getting slowly better. (Yes it is stylized I know but I am taking a break from more realistic stuff for a week or so. Maintaining the passion for what you do is important.)

I am going to get back to realism soon though. I am also going to start a youtube channel themed around the average Jane getting better at art. (With the hopes to eventually sell prints or something)

>>2863137
Yep, quickest way to learn how to paint is to do a study. Any tips for learning how to sketch? I can paint but I'm not very good at sketching from imagination.

>>2863140
>that headphone
>that keyboard

>>2863137
Drawing from *imagination* is a meme. Drawing from a practiced mental visual library and then combining elements in an original way is not.

You can't draw anything from imagination you haven't done studies of all the various aspects/details of.

Get to it! Also use more value! Line art only goes so far. :( (I wish it went further haha)

>>2863145
Why does everyone chirp my gear.

File: shapestudy3.jpg (68KB, 984x554px) Image search: [Google]

68KB, 984x554px

>>2859684

Hey guys, just finished another object study. Any feedback is appreciated.

>>2863155
Who taught you to render, because whoever did, did it right.

>>2863158
Thanks man! I just copied the way this guy does it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfIokbcdaoY&t=1s

File: 1468090982449.jpg (85KB, 550x358px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 550x358px

>>2863137
You don't have a photographic memory, so until you have a solid vis. library of things you're going to need to use reference. Like, quite often. Obviously there's no shame at all but until you know a certain subject matter in-and-out and in a 3D space "imagination" will be a challenge. That isn't to say you shouldn't practice things solely from imagination - just that a strong base will help you go further rather than not knowing anything at all.

>>2863164
Did you find this video on your own or did someone give it to you?

>>2863168
just found it on my recommended

>>2863173
This anon found on their own. That's insane. You're going to make it. I haven't seen such a capable, self-driving person in forever. I almost forgot they existed! Tell me, anon, what's your end goal?

File: ffrazetta.jpg (289KB, 981x1300px) Image search: [Google]

289KB, 981x1300px

>>2863174
lol end goal is to paint stuff like this... someday

File: 02_48529FB2C7DE4.jpg (599KB, 1777x1200px) Image search: [Google]

599KB, 1777x1200px

>>2863208

File: 16790627_981811338617753_1045060719_n.jpg (44KB, 480x854px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 480x854px

>>2863208
Made some improvements

>>2863239
resize your image and post again

File: sketch 2017-02-16.png (2MB, 1181x986px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1181x986px

I'm a very, very new artist looking for some tips. I just sketched these out and I know they're atrocious but I'd like some advice what exactly I'm doing wrong.

>>2863249
>what exactly I'm doing wrong.
More things than I can list.

Follow the beginner guides in the OP, work on it for months/years. It's actually fairly comprehensive. Draw-a-Box is also a good resource.

Art isn't "fun". You have to grind studies/exercises like XP, then you can dick around with fewer people telling you to kill yourself.

>>2863262
>Art isn't "fun".

never going to make it

>>2863337
Art should be fun, but not all of it. The learning experience can be grueling so it's important to supplement learning with things that you actually want to draw before you burn out. A balance is what will help you make it.

>>2863337
>>2863339
art is a discipline and a meditation.

File: IMG_20170216_112528r.jpg (116KB, 750x1000px) Image search: [Google]

116KB, 750x1000px

some thumbnails

Hows my figures guys? Feels like i'm missing something but i don't know what it is.

File: sketchdump3.png (308KB, 1000x1083px) Image search: [Google]

308KB, 1000x1083px

>>2863405

Forgot my shit fuck

File: pepper.png (423KB, 1392x596px) Image search: [Google]

423KB, 1392x596px

I thought I'd try this out, now I'm surprised it looks like it's done by two different persons

>>2863406
i think its p good, i think you should ask in the drawthread for better advice

File: 1.png (466KB, 929x1200px) Image search: [Google]

466KB, 929x1200px

What do u do when your ideas are shit

File: IMG_20170216_132750.jpg (472KB, 1907x2175px) Image search: [Google]

472KB, 1907x2175px

thots

>>2863432
>Not keeping a folder named "Jelly" where you save all the cool stuff you see around and then """"homage"""" it when you are stuck with a project.

Also if you desperate to draw for the fuck of it i sometimes fulfill a request on a drawthread on another board

Anyone have a good reference collection for feet? I here a lot of bad shit about hands, but holy shit trying to find feet references is a chore.

>>2863442
https://www.quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed

>>2863442
https://www.google.ca/search?q=feet&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy2s2m35TSAhVBxoMKHWb-AKQQsAQIJw&biw=1364&bih=624

>>2863432
nofap
squats
rivers
mountains
oceans
jav actresses

>>2863434
keys to drawing

File: IMG_0345.jpg (2MB, 4032x3024px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4032x3024px

Just started trying to draw last month, started from shitty stick figures.

No reference used (aside from the direction hair goes)

Learned a lot on this one.

>>2863542
Great job. Keep it up.

File: angry toad noises.png (678KB, 2000x1000px) Image search: [Google]

678KB, 2000x1000px

>>2863542
>Learned a lot on this one.

>>2863546
Oh I know it isn't great, but I learned a lot about the nature of erasing and corrections, the importance of symmetry and line thickness, and the immediate jump in quality if you try your best to make straight, direct strokes.

>>2863548
if you thought you learned from that, just wait until you actually read the sticky. its going to blow your mind.

>>2863549
I'm working through Right Side of the Brain now, wish I got the exercise book instead because the babble is annoying to sift through.

This was just my first imagination drawing since starting instruction.

>>2863550
D R A W A B O X
R
A
W
A
B
O
X

File: asia_girl2.jpg (391KB, 1403x948px) Image search: [Google]

391KB, 1403x948px

>>2863211

File: faaaaaaaaaa.png (174KB, 425x735px) Image search: [Google]

174KB, 425x735px

Comments? Critiques? Should I Castrate Myself?

>>2862893
I tried looking for it but I can't find it. Where exactly can I get the CGMA 8 week sminar?

File: Loweresss.png (144KB, 483x736px) Image search: [Google]

144KB, 483x736px

>>2863581
I think I need to work in a higher resolution

>>2863608

3000x3600 px works fine for me

>>2863515
But how bad is it?

Go to CGpeers, and look for ''Analytical figure Drawing'' it should sized at 10GB. Uploaded by Godkills. Otherwise, you can go to The pirate bay and type ''CGMW Analytical figure drawing -Michael Hampton pt1'' this one should be sized at 912mb.

They are both the same seminar, as far as I know, but the second one seems to be better compressed. The quality is good too.

>>2863596
>>2863669

>>2863669
Thanks man, been searching for something like this for a while now.

>>2863713

No problem friend, enjoy. I am back to drawing the 100 gesture homework from week 1!

>>2863399
These are good! Would look kewl with a splash of watercolor or ink.

>>2863714
Only 100 gestures? That's like doable in a day or two.

>>2863743

Yep it is quite doable, I'll probably add a few hundreds more. Just remember, half of them gotta be from old masters work, the other half from real humans.

I am sure the torrent comes with an instruction txt so you can see what's asked for every week.

hows it going lads

>>2863775
step 1 is to not immediatly delete your posts when you ask for critiques

>>2863775
drawabox
sticky

>>2863744
>1 minute gesture
you can do it in 2 hours

>>2863744

Any suggestions on old master artists that would be good to focus on for studies?

>>2863795

I don't take 1 minute though, I take from 5 to 10 minutes to really analyze and think about the relationships between the lines of motion. Draw it a few times on the side, even more simplified. I am not that good to be doing it in just 1 minute, kek.

File: standing_nude.jpg (838KB, 600x1087px) Image search: [Google]

838KB, 600x1087px

>>2863802

Sure, if you watch the seminar Michael goes over some of them. I am going after some selected pieces from Michelangelo, Rembrandt, and Klimt Gustav.

I am not very savvy in art history, but if you type ''Old drawing masters name list'' you should be good to go. Pic related is one of Rembrandt's.

>do loomis heads from 3/4 angle over and over until you understand the form then start going for different angles.
>right from the start go into all the different angles
which?

>>2863930
Every single one obviously
Only by understanding all of them can you understand one of them

File: R3mbr4ndt Baby.jpg (147KB, 1068x670px) Image search: [Google]

147KB, 1068x670px

Damn, Rembrandt had a funny way of drawing baby's faces.

>>2862559
sauce? who's this??

>>2862561

Is this photo real? It looks so bizarre, almost like she doesn't belong there

File: IMG_20170216_120547r.jpg (142KB, 751x1000px) Image search: [Google]

142KB, 751x1000px

>>2863740
thanks! i already gave them some lazy values but i think i might try watercolour for the next batch

File: IMG_20170215_150950.jpg (85KB, 789x676px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 789x676px

How come I'm so much worse at smaller faces than big ones?

>>2864013
is that heidegger

>>2864092
have you considered thinking?

File: 1.jpg (29KB, 244x710px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 244x710px

>>2862559
kek

>>2864099
What do you mean?

>>2864103
its kinda like flexing your muscles but with your brain instead

>>2864103
why do you think that smaller faces are harder?

>>2864041
Hey, how did get these designs? Did you ref?

>>2864041

I really like those, how do we get to your level?

Is there a /ic/ highly recommended art exercises book? I need to map down basic art technique so I can do things quickly because before it's always been a lot of time with an eraser until it looks "right". wici has a lot of stuff but it's mainly explanations+example.

Something like "go through this book to help go from beginner to immediate level technique" would do.

>>2864130
>basic art technique
It's called drawing.

What do you wan to draw.

>>2864130
stop overthinking things and just put your pencil to the paper

File: 1950s-ad.jpg (64KB, 450x384px) Image search: [Google]

64KB, 450x384px

>>2863669
>Part 1
>15 seeders

>Part 2
>0 seeders

>>2864136
Damn, what artist is this? That's amazing.

>>2864131

I write books so I want to get better at quickly drawing concept art of characters and settings to support my planning. My drawing technique is behind the creativity in that regard.

>>2864151
Then why don't you draw characters

>>2864151
>I write books
Is that what they call it on fanfiction.net these days?

>>2864155
say that to me face m8 an not online m8 see what happens :^)

File: 1.png (99KB, 724x522px) Image search: [Google]

99KB, 724x522px

>>2862557
>>2862558
Am i doing gesture right?

>>2864160
Who can say? What separates a good gesture from a bad one? Proportions? Clean lines?

File: Clown~1000.png (148KB, 1000x903px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 1000x903px

Why are people so desperate to improve?
Just try to enjoy yourself and get messy~

Created this with a shitty mouse but it was fun as fuck LOL

>>2863772
underrated post

>>2864136

You can find part two in CGPeers, don't worry. It's called Analytical figure drawing 2

File: 1484302254684.png (612KB, 803x753px) Image search: [Google]

612KB, 803x753px

>>2864095
>heidegger

Jesus christ, you're right.

>>2864162

Well, I am sure you can determine a good gesture from a bad one by how well they can explain the sense of motion, weight and balance of a subject. It's an abstract concept, but not that abstract.

File: Michael Hampton GCMA seminar Week 1 Assigment, 50 Gesture drawings from Famous artists.png (902KB, 1400x1400px) Image search: [Google]

902KB, 1400x1400px

Is this looking right, guys?

File: ^E36F1E3DE9845AF5237EDC6B7079A646CEA6E5F231B910C11F^pimgpsh_fullsize_distr.jpg (172KB, 900x1200px) Image search: [Google]

172KB, 900x1200px

>>2863211
Five days into drawing. Came out like shit.

>>2864205
read keys to drawing and you'll be fine

>>2864206
I actually have that ordered and on the way funny enough.

>>2864205
You're gonna be shit for a while, but as long as you're committed you'll get better over time

>>2864174
nice bro you do you

>>2864205
>>2864207

Try some youtube tutorials and follow what the artist does

>>2864237
Any recommended channels anons?

File: 1485694259729.png (527KB, 513x732px) Image search: [Google]

527KB, 513x732px

>>2864013

Babies all look spastic in pre-photographic art, probably because you're not going to get a baby that'll sit still for hours on end as a model

>>2864247

Hey, sounds great to me. I think they look hilarious.

File: jej.jpg (46KB, 439x526px) Image search: [Google]

46KB, 439x526px

>>2864250

Here's another one

>>2862661
not him but what the fuck is the problem, seriously? he is already willingly trying to help and probably just made it very quickly, its not like its a final piece of art

goddamn faggots

>>2864247
I've always wondered how they managed to do it back in the day, we're all struggling now with endless resources and tutorials while they can't have had much at all to learn from.

Was their technique different from modern times?

>>2864258

The same way you learned anything back then, you apprenticed to a master and they taught you

>>2863249
try loomis fun with a pencil and then perspective made easy. both very light books and didn't feel like a chore getting through them.

fun with a pencil is very general, a bit of shadows, bit of human figures, bit of perspectives

the latter one is obviously on perspective, wich you need a LOT in order to draw cars.

while reading these books, keep drawing what you like for fun, regardless if its bad, thats actually how you get better, the books are just a help

>>2864253
the curious case of benjamin button

>>2864240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXjxNMTkocQ&list=LLMGND0WpVuO0f8ymsbguoLQ&index=1

This one helped me a lot

File: 81457-679-480.jpg (36KB, 679x480px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 679x480px

>>2864253

Jesus christ, looks like E.T. Thanks for the kek, Anon.

File: IMG_4458.jpg (78KB, 1097x973px) Image search: [Google]

78KB, 1097x973px

fuck open mouths

>>2864300

Can't fuck 'em when they're closed.

>>2864300

Is it supposed to be Spyro?

Why have you given him such a massive jaw

File: 2ADE45B4-11BA-4A8F-8956-FDDFF241D3BD-5347-00000324435CB7C4_tmp.jpg (102KB, 722x349px) Image search: [Google]

102KB, 722x349px

>>2864306
>Is it supposed to be Spyro?
Yes

>Why have you given him such a massive jaw
idk, now that i'm looking at it more it does look pretty weird

>Some DA fellow with a substantial number of followers has added a picture I traced to practise rendering to his "Art I'm going to review on my Youtube channel" collection

Reeeee what the fuck I even stated it was a trace in the desc.

I hope this is just some scam he does to get beginners to watch his videos

>>2864309
I would do more draw-a-box exercises and pick up loomis's fun-with-pencil. That sketch is a jumble of perspective issues mixing profile view with 3/4.

File: nikesamothrace.jpg (430KB, 750x1255px) Image search: [Google]

430KB, 750x1255px

>>2864258
>they can't have had much at all to learn from
excuse you, pic related
old masters studied even older masters.
and what the other anon said, they apprenticed in workshops to learn all about their craft and later they had the academies.
>endless resources and tutorials
just because there's a lot of it, doesn't mean it's of high quality and an abundance of information really doesn't make filtering and using it any easier, rather the opposite.

I found this http://arthistoryresources.net/renaissance-art-theory-2012/renaissance-artist.html
When you scroll down there's a paragraph with the caption 'Artistic Training', it's at about the lower fifth of the page.

>>2864255
Thanks for the defense. I've come to agree that having clean lines is better, cause you can draw things once and have them read well, but it's a matter of building motor control for line control, and I don't have it yet.
(Though sometimes scribbles are fun for conveying emotion, but that's another thing entirely.)
>>2864300
Psst... think about how jaw bones work.

>>2864319
It's just practice anon

>>2863581
focus on hair, proportions and not chicken scratching

>>2864407
How did you get so good?

>>2864409
Draw and study art a lot? I don't know, is it really that good?

>>2864407

The cloth looks great, whirlwind looks a bit amateur in comparison to how you've represented the other elements

>>2864418
Yeah I thought so, a regular cyclone probably would've sufficed.

>>2864407
your hands are fucked, put at least 10 minutes more into drawing them. Neck looks still and is too short, though i get your trying to angle the head down, but youve done it wrong. knees get too skinny and abs are too long. lot of shading issues too but thats not your focus right now

>>2864409
its really not, you need to get good.

>>2864418
the clothes still look stiff, and the elements each have issues with them. rock > water > whirlwind > fire.

>>2864435
They're stiff because they're heavy m8

>>2864439
keep making excuses but you havent draped the dress thing properly. the boots and bra make sense somewhat though

>>2864435

The way he's done the cloth gives it some weight, yeah its stiff but I think it's supposed to be a stiff material. I thought the whirlwind looked the worst because I don't feel the movement, it looks more like a cotton party hat.

>>2864435
Thanks for the input. I wanted the hands to be "dynamic" looking but yeah, I should study hands independently first. I struggle hard with shading, never really know how different contours react with the direction of the light.

File: 20170214_081918.jpg (118KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

118KB, 1000x562px

Didn't post the past 5 days but still trying

File: 20170214_082130.jpg (136KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 1000x562px

Can't draw hands even in my life depended on it

File: 20170214_082155.jpg (122KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 1000x562px

Fooling around between two robo bean studies

File: 20170214_202831.jpg (173KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

173KB, 1000x562px

Not so unhappy about the woman on the right even if far from perfect

File: 20170217_061208.jpg (105KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

105KB, 1000x562px

Ref from this thread

File: 20170217_061104.jpg (167KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

167KB, 1000x562px

And currently trying to learn body construction with robo bean like another anon advised me last time i posted figures.
I think i made at least 40 pages of this, things getting a bit no fun, but well. Think the no-fun part come from the fact i seem to don't understand 50% of time how to tilt the boxes

File: 20170217_061126.jpg (125KB, 1000x562px) Image search: [Google]

125KB, 1000x562px

And last one from me, at least i think i'm getting better to draw limbs (better is different from "i draw them well" but still) so there's that to be happy at least !

>>2862651
I'm immature and found this to be way funnier that i should have.

File: Nef62vc.jpg (257KB, 960x960px) Image search: [Google]

257KB, 960x960px

If I try to apply the things I learned to fun drawing, will I improve? I mean doing blind contours, taking measurements, and using negative space on silly drawings like pic related.

Is gesture one of the biggest hurdles for beginning artists?

I've seen so many different videos covering the subject and I still can't consistently see gesture in models, especially if they're standing straight and facing the camera.

I keep getting different interpretations of what the gestures is ranging from contours to just drawing where the bone would be to just drawing one side of the form to just wavy lines where the masses are and just drawing an arrow through the form in the direction it's moving.

I keep getting it accidentally and can't keep it.

>>2864492
yes, why draw at all if not for fun?

File: mad youmu.png (43KB, 712x528px) Image search: [Google]

43KB, 712x528px

I do a good job?

File: mad youmu 2.png (18KB, 712x528px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 712x528px

>>2864500
and clean version

>>2864500
What do you fucking think?

Weird question but is it safe to experiment with shitty art sites like Furaffinity that are more under the radar but still has a sizable anime crowd during the early stages?

My end goal is just selling lewds and I want to get some experience gathering followers, mingling with deviants and pandering for views for if I ever actually make it.

Will this damage future opportunities or will I be able to separate myself later by just ditching the account and setting up shop elsewhere?

>>2864112
not really, no. I've looked at a lot of old photos though and incorporated some ideas and elements from them.
>>2864128
i did drawabox part I+II and im currently working through How to draw. Additionally some lectures about environments and a lot of studies from cool photos and landscapes.

>>2864519
>end goal
>selling yourself out
Not gonna make it. Getting into art for money is probably the dumbest decision ever. Worse than STEM meme.

File: 0216172328-1-1026x779.jpg (197KB, 1026x779px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 1026x779px

almost done with this. just need to work on the water a bit more. im not sure how to approach the lighting in the clouds or if i even shoud since itll probably end looking like someone took a piss all over it. any tips? ref innext pic

File: FreeGreatPicture.com-20683-high-resolution-landscapes.jpg (342KB, 1800x1125px) Image search: [Google]

342KB, 1800x1125px

>>2864576

>>2864576
I think the light only works if you up the contrast everywhere else. It's practically white.

>>2864579
are you saying to go through and making everything around the central lit area darker? i dont really have a problem trying stuff out if you think it'll improve it

>>2864581
Pretty much. The left side for one is really bright right now. It looks like you made the right side a bit darker similar to the ref but it's not exactly dark enough, but it already shows the contrast working.

>>2864584
ah okay. well likes a got a bit of work to do. i just splashed a bit of prussian blue and black on the right side of the water and im staring to notice a different. ill worry about the rest when i get there. thanks

File: mad youmu 4.png (22KB, 712x528px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 712x528px

>>2864517
That's why I'm asking YOU.

>>2864597
It's cute and works as a reaction image. Though it's devoid in the technical sense and really isn't fit for criticism.

>>2864576
you should repaint it in different seasons like that last one you did a long time ago

File: figure1.jpg (89KB, 935x526px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 935x526px

>>2863155

Here's some figure drawing I did today. It took me a lot longer expected, about 2 hours. I'm still getting used to shading.

>>2864602
You're gonna make it!

>>2864603
i hope so man

>>2864597
Looks like you spent 5 minutes in paint after finding out what touhou was

>>2864602
everything here rocks aside from the feet!!!

File: Ep59X4.png (907KB, 1913x1068px) Image search: [Google]

907KB, 1913x1068px

Have done way too many sketches and never finished drawings. Now I want to get into painting. Where can I learn about painting digitally?
I wanted to try something with really saturated colors so that i could have a larger range of saturation to play with.

>>2864519
if you want to do that why not add something to your art that is "muh style" and then when you wanna change persona just ditch that style.

>>2864614
thanks! yeah I gave up on the feet

>>2864618
The just do it
You act like you need to actually know what you're doing

>>2864622
I mean i can keep trying to do it like I am know but honestly I think my process is retarded af. I dono if you can see in my pic but i sketched then painted over it but as i was painting i noticed so many things wrong with my pose and it ended up being way diff than my sketch. I see other people have a much easier time going from sketch to painting. and also what's better painting on your sketch painting under? painting over it? there so many things I just dont wanna be doing it in a complicated way for no reason.

>>2864623
Doing it in a complicated way is the best way to learn how to make it simpler. Just take the time and do it, anon. It only seems like a waste of time because you know it will take a long time.

File: 1456960774794.png (248KB, 417x417px) Image search: [Google]

248KB, 417x417px

>Been gesture drawing naked models for so long that I can't draw clothes without them looking unnatural.

I can't be doing with this.

>>2864646
You just suck at clothes senpai

>>2864647
Obviously.

I never considered them in my practice and now there is a huge gap between them.

>>2864650
You could only had focus on one thing anyways. Now you can do gestures easily and focus on clothes.

>>2864646

It's "I can't be dealing with this"

>>2864657
Weird, that's what I thought when I was writing it but I wrote doing instead.

Sometimes I don't know if it's me typing or my brain.

>>2864661
It's both.

>>2864646
How does one into gestures

File: 0217170201_HDR-1-1024x751.jpg (269KB, 1024x751px) Image search: [Google]

269KB, 1024x751px

well heres what i got. i darkened the areas around the brightened middle area with prussina blue and black. it look a bit in the pic than in person. now im scared to do the light beams

>>2864601
good idea, ill probably just have to paint frozen over like the last one since its so barren you wont be able to notice the seasonal changes

>>2864628
I never thought of it that way...

Thank you for opening my eyes to that outcome. I think you right that just doing it is better. Thanks anon!

>>2864711
meant to say it looks brighter in the pic than in person

>>2864198
I really worry about the colors you choose to sketch with.

>>2864255
not him but what the fuck is the problem, seriously? he is already willingly pointing out his weakspot and just threw in some sass, it's not like hes his art mentor

goddamn faggots

Is using liquify in photoshop considered cheating?

>>2864776
Nothing is cheating. *Nothing*.
However, for every shortcut you take there is a skill you are not developing. Sometimes that's fine. Other times it hurts you in the long run.
I have no idea what liquify in photoshop is, nor about your goals.

File: Untitled-1.png (1MB, 1236x1623px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1236x1623px

pride to the nation

>>2864755

Why senpai? I find dark backgrounds with saturated colours relaxing. Then again I don't know anything about color theory.

Are drawing tablets bad for learning? I have a Wacom tablet and it definitely feels harder to draw accurately on that than paper.

>>2864948

That's always the case friend, tablets always felt a bit more disconnected than traditional mediums, it gets better the more you practice. Fundamentals are fundamentals no matter what medium you are using, so don't worry, using a tablet is not stopping you from anything.


I recommend spending a good hour a day just drawing ellipses, straight lines and curves with the tablet, while paying close attention at how you do them. That helped me a lot when I began using my intous.

>>2864966
That's pretty much what I've been doing. My ellipses on my tablet are awful. I can do straight lines okay, but I overshoot a lot. I think it's the difference in proportion between the screen and the tablet that's really messing up my hand eye coordination. Guess it's just something I'll have to get used to.

>>2864982

Not sure what brand you're using, but imagine you're aware you can play around the monitor to tablet screen proportions in the Wacom tablet properties menu? More mileage should solve the issue regardless, though.

File: 1455761866259.jpg (84KB, 500x628px) Image search: [Google]

84KB, 500x628px

Is it me, or are subtle gestures way harder than highly exaggerated ones? The boundary between dynamic and stiffness gets so close I find it hard to be accurate

>2011+6
>not training yourself to be able to draw with both hands in case you accidentally lose one

ISHYGDDT

I first started out drawing the stravinsky upside down, and analyzed that a bit.

Then I began drawabox, and the beginning is so fucking dull with all the repeating lines. I am forcing myself through it, as I ultimately know it'll help me not do any spastic movements while drawing.

How far into drawabox should I go before jumping to something else? I bought Loomis' Figure Drawing and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and got those prepped.

File: Cherries Altaya.png (1MB, 1000x621px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1000x621px

Critique me

File: 20170217_193205.jpg (3MB, 3264x1835px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 3264x1835px

Another one from me

>>2865103
Resize your fucking images.

>>2865092
Pretty nice i think

>>2865083
You can start drawing on the right side on the brain now. Ignore the first 40 or so pages of pseudoscience rambling to save time.

>>2865126
Alright. I'll go back and forth between that and the dull as shit drawabox stuff then to avoid slowing down.

Can somebody help me out an explain to me how I am supposed to use Gesture with poses that are in a hard perspective?
Should i even bother, and just start with 3d objects?

>>2865150

Can you post an example of a hard perspective? or the one that's giving you trouble

File: Imaginary gestures.png (204KB, 612x840px) Image search: [Google]

204KB, 612x840px

I tried to do some gestures from imagination, do they read out well the action?

>>2865163
You are fucking furry? And yes.

>>2865196

>And yes.

Got it, does the gesture number seven (counting from top to bottom) bug you? I tried to show it running but I feel it lacks tension?

>You are fucking furry?

I worry I might be, I try not to think about it much.

File: figure2.jpg (63KB, 554x908px) Image search: [Google]

63KB, 554x908px

>>2864602

Starting another figure. I messed up the gesture so now she looks off balanced. I think I can fix it by correcting the shins. Not sure about the proportions also. Any tips?

>>2865256

Share reference? Lacking balance is not always an issue, if you drew some wings, it would look like she's flying. For proportions, try changing the size of the head and see how ''it feels'' to you. Righ now it looks fine to me, imo.

File: digitalizar0005.jpg (236KB, 900x928px) Image search: [Google]

236KB, 900x928px

tried to focus on the action of the pitch

>>2865418
Hello fellow Phillylad.

File: ref2.png (727KB, 829x1015px) Image search: [Google]

727KB, 829x1015px

>>2865325
here is the reference. yeah, the balance may not be an issue. The head size does seem off but I'll go ahead and render it and post when I finish.

>>2865163
>this is gestures
???

>>2865438

I can see what you meant with being off balance now, always check your vertical and horizontal lines I guess. You could fix it, or go with it and see if you could use your knowledge of rendering to adapted in a believable way.

Your call.

File: d64.png (150KB, 598x642px) Image search: [Google]

150KB, 598x642px

>>2865436
hello, friend

Anyone want me to make a tutorial on something?

I kinda had fun doing the last two >>2862721
>>2862936
and it clarified the concepts for myself as well

File: Imaginary and references gestures mixed.png (274KB, 1096x805px) Image search: [Google]

274KB, 1096x805px

>>2865440

Sorry, I am not sure what you mean. Do don't think those are gestures drawings?

>>2865473
>can read all of these gestures and what kind of poses they are
What is this black magic?

>>2865475

That's what a gesture drawing is, Anon. The essence, action or ''soul'' of the figure that one lies down before delving into anatomy/rendering. I am still uncertain whether you just think those are good or you're just new to the concept of gesture drawing!

But regardless, I recommend you watch Glenn's Vilppu and Michael's Hamptons seminars on figure drawing and read their books on the topic, it's what I am doing now.

>>2863669

That comment shows you where to get the content I speak off.

File: 20170217_192119[1].jpg (746KB, 2560x1440px) Image search: [Google]

746KB, 2560x1440px

>>2862552
I'm here from [s4s] and I'm practicing to become a drawfig. What should I be doing to fix my technique?

>>2865583
Draw bigger, used un-lined paper.

>>2865588
K, I will buy a sketchbook when I have the money but I am a poor collegefag.

>>2865597
Do you not have blank paper, just how poor are you how the hell do you print essays?

>>2865598
I don't own any blank paper, though I suppose I could print a blank page from my school's printers... but they only let you print so many pages.

>>2865588
buy a massive stack of like a thousand A3 sheets for a tenner from amazon.

new bread

>>2865665
>>2865665
>>2865665

>>2865665
>>2865665
>>2865665

>>2865665
>>2865665
>>2865665

>>2865665
>>2865665
>>2865665