/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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Kreygasm

>>2865667
his dick is so big, gross mongrol

>>2865670
how do you faggots even manage to get on this site

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This weeks sketches, I tried to put last week's advice on line confidence but every time I got into the zone I'd relapse back into chicken scratching, I've been doing those exercises where you repeatedly go over your lines to increase control and try to make it a habit. I also took the specific critique on a doodle especially from

>>2851221

Which I hopefully put to good use

Dumping 1/7

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2/7

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3/7

Bottom is a master study, I grabbed the ref from the renaissance thread

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>>2865700

*top not bottom

5/7

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6/7

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7/7

>>2865696
you can put these in an imgur album and link it next time

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here's what i did today 1/3

gestures are shit but they're one of the Keys to Drawing exercises, just doin as I'm told

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>>2865714
2/3
tonal bar exercise. started the ink hatching one but decided to try that later.

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>>2865715
3/3
values exercise with photo in the book.

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>>2865716
ref

Any good resources for how to use photoshop?

Specifically, shit like layer modes and brush modes. For brushes I mainly stick to normal and multiply, bit I feel like theres a lot im missing.

>>2865725
ctrlpaint.com/library

>>2865670
>dat nipple

UNNFF time to study

>>2865727
Thank you very much, anon.

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>>2865667
dicc

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here's a painting i made '
what do you guys think?
[spoiler]i know its shit[/spoiler]

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>>2865256
>>2865438

Alright, here it is.

I made some corrections like the angle of the shin, the width of the chest. One main thing I notice is that I made her head huge, maybe it's the forehead.

I feel like I'm still drawing it flat. I do try to think about the 3d shape and planes but mostly I just get lost in the shading. Let me know what you guys think.

>>2865781
tiny ass legs lol

>>2865782
yeah!! lol I should've made them longer

>>2865781
How are you so good

is CGpeers down for you guys?

>>2865806
thanks. am I though? :/ I have some experience drawing photos and stuff before, but I'm basically a beginner with figure drawing.

does anyone know wtf causes that weird thing where when hold you left click button on the stylus and pan left and right for zoom in/out it does that stupid box thing and only zooms in. i know to fix it but its starting to happen after months long streak of it not happening

On average, how long will it take for me to draw sexy anime girls of decent quality?

I have about a 1% skill right now.

>>2865884
If you can post work and how hard you work each day/week, then I can tell you. Otherwise, it's too vague of an answer. I achieved it after a month, but that's excluding everything else I did.

>>2865882
kek should probably mention im talking about photoshop

>>2865886
I've stopped drawing for a while now since I moved states.
Before that I was doing "Keys to Drawing" exercises to try to learn the skill of looking at things. Overall I still feel I'm trash and /ic/ says my lines are shit.
>a month
That's superb, what did you do/read/practice?

>>2865886
Post one of your anime girls

>>2865892
Drawing anime girls isn't my actual goal, though it would be nice. As such I haven't drawn any or have any to show.
I drew this earlier though.
http://is2.4chan.org/vp/1487395324862.png

>>2865890
I didn't do anything set, I just drew a lot and studied a lot and eventually when I went back to draw what I wanted, my skill level had raised. About five hours per day, sometimes more, since I did project based work and had deadlines to meet.

But if I had to say, I did a lot of drawing from life and references. I sought out to understand the world. I have read Keys to drawing and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain without having done the exercises, however, there's no doubt what I did would be what those books tell you. Such as negative space and iteration.

Although, I didn't draw many pieces to be honest. I focused many hours onto a single piece and erased many times to make sure I got it right. Proportions was one of those things that really take forever to get right. In addition to that, I did a lot of rendering with pencil and in digital. This helped me understand form as it turns in response to light and shadow.

In the end, I guess you say that by building up your basic skills of just drawing and seeing, you become able to draw the things you have always wanted to. It's quite an odd feeling and surprise. I've gotten so much better that I can't even say that I will ever be as bad as I was before. There is one more thing though and it's that you will only become good at the things you draw. This is important. If you never practice drawing sexy anime girls, you never get good at them which is how I'm feeling right now. They're getting better with each day, but even after that month, I could tell it was going to take some work and that's kind of how drawing goes. If you want to get better at something, you work up your basic skills as well as drawing the thing you want to.

Maybe, one very last thing and that's to always give your best. I did that and it got me here. I always strive for perfection even if I don't reach it and I'm sometimes unsatisfied, but to see your end result be something that you've never achieved before is still amazing.

>>2865898
Thank you anon, I know what to do now lol.
Thanks for the motivation friend, and I wish you a prosperous future.

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I do the DrawABox exercises and I feel like I'm accomplishing something, then I go to draw for fun, and I just get frustrated with it because it doesn't match my mental image. I dunno. What should I do next. Right Side of the Brain? Loomis?
Also, why can I use the shoulder for some lines and it looks okay, but for the more precise ones if I use my shoulder it looks like poop?

>>2865971
>tfw anon draws anime better than you even though you've done more meme books
God damn you anon

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i posted this last week as part of a figure drawing but the figure was complete shit. how does this face look though? paintable?

>>2865978
Reminds me of Facade

>>2865981
shit. thats the second time ive been told my faces are in the style of some low graphic video game.

>>2865978
too much symbol drawing.

>>2865978

Full of symbols as the other anon said

>>2865978
Are you the same guy who did the ripped off woman's head a couple months ago? How has your art not changed at all since then? What have you been studying?

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>>2865988
>>2865987
is this any better

>>2865994
>ripped off woman's head
this doesnt sound familiar but i dont study portrait or figure that often. ive trying to grind gesture lately and i did that fish, and those cats, and the gouache landscape in the op and i just started another 'real' painting

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>>2865973
Thanks I guess, I just like to draw anime girls in my free time, but I think I'm still quite shit at it. Any suggestions on where I should go from DrawABox?

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>>2865978
ERIC! WHY ARE ALL OF THE EYELASHES SO EQUIDISTANT? The nose is pretty good. Use a soft edge for the top of the upper lip because the contrast between it and the bridge is not great enough for it to warrant a hard edge

>>2866001
>EQUIDISTANT
i dont know what you mean even after looking that up but i see what you mean with the nose, ill keep that in mind if i even get to the point where i can actually draw something worth painting

is this one better?>>2865996

oh snap i get it now. like they need to be not the same length. i guess its just my crap symbol drawing

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>>2865915
You're back! Hurrah!
>>2861702
I'm going to go back to Loomis, because I can't execute construction from all angles, especially extreme angles, which means I don't understand it with much proficiency at all

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This is what comes out when I try to draw straight lines, (vertically, horizontally, diagonally) and half circles / circles. and I'm kinda shocked at how terrible they are and that I genuinly seem unable to draw a straight line.

Is this going to get better or is all hope lost?

>>2866009
Drawabox lesson 1 would do you good. Grab a pen and do it on paper.

>>2866011
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
This one right? Paper is kinda difficult for me, as I'm kind of afraid of leaving the house and would have to order it, Is it really that terrible if I do the exercises on the tablet I have?

>>2866016
The reason Uncomfortable wants you to do it on paper with pen is so that you can't erase your mistakes. If you use a 100% opacity brush and never use an eraser tool: you maybe could use digital media

>>2866006
ive literally not gotten a substantial crit (on things that i put effort in) for 2 or 3 months so i don't even know why i try

>>2866016
>afraid of leaving the house
Man up.

>>2866022
dont worry i post my stuff too and ask questions on how to improve and literally never get answers

>>2866003
I don't know; I like what you've done with the eyebrows, but that left pupil looks slightly warped. I'd say you don't need to use that many lines, as it does make them look slightly older. Just consider if an area of the face is dark enough to warrant a line

>>2866021
I can work digitialy without erasing, sure. I did that with the "lines and circles" pic I uploaded, thought it would be best to show what comes out after a couple of tries each instead of just deleting until it looks as perfect as I can get it.

>>2866023
>Man up.
it's not that easy.

>>2866033
Make multiple passes over each circle at first. Stop drawing with your wrist. Follow drawabox even though you do it on a tablet.

>>2866041
I'm reading the "Drawabox" introduction right now. And yes, following them like I would on paper was my plan for it.

I remember when I was a teenager and used to doodle in my notebooks, I used to make a whole bunch of very short and very fast lines over each other and slowly advance in whatever direction I needed because that was the only way I could draw a line that was not ass.

>>2866031
ah thanks. i was trying to imply the 'bulge' you get around your eyelids but i guess i mad her an old gam gam. ill have to fix that

>>2866058
>bulge
OwO

>>2866052
Dang, drawing from the shoulder is difficult, I can do from elbow fine, bit from the shoulder somehow is weird to me and I don't feel like I'm getting a good movement out of it. Could it have to do with my surface being rather small, making elbow movement more "effective" than shoulder?

>>2866061
like
>>2865673
the bottom eyelid curves around the eye was whati was trying to imply. that was a problem i had with the others

>>2865673
This isn't a Photoshop? I've never seen someone with this many freckles

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I made this some time ago...what do you think?

>>2866063
How big is your drawing tablet, and how is your position while drawing?

>>2866090
I'm guessing skin cancer.

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just kill me now

>>2866095
7 by 5.5 inches activare area (I think, It's a bamboo CTL-470)
What exactly do you mean by position?

>>2865994
>How has your art not changed at all since then?
thats just eric. he doesnt take advice and has a terrible mindset. i've told him before but he doesnt listen

>>2866112
>position
Is your tablet flat on the table, or at an angle? Sitting with it at an angle may help with the shoulder movement.

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I've started with the sticky but i've noticed that i'm only "cross-hatching" instead of drawing normally is this a mistake should i stop this?

Also is "The new drawing on the right side of the brain" the same as "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain: The Definitive, 4th Edition" that is mentioned on the sticky?

>>2866159
Hi anon, as first, that doesn't look bad at all proportionwise, but don't just crosshatach like that, it kinda looks bad and doesn't work with the lines you have either, draw the guy with lines only, draw the shadowshapes with lines, and then you can hatch or crosshatch or whatever you want after, I like pulling vertical lines and having them darker where there is more shadow.

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>>2866159
>>2866167
I went over it with digital just to show what I mean, it's not perfect I've only spent a minute on it but it might help.

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Tell me how to not suck.

Don't bother with the hair/ears, the face is the only thing I gave a shit about.

>>2866141
It's flat on the table. Don't really have anything to angle it up.

Went to my local community college and asked the art teacher about what he thought the best way to start out was, and he lent me his copy of Drawing From Observation by Brian Curtis. Has anyone here read it and if so would you also recommend it?

>>2866249
>trusting your (((community college)))

>>2866090
Yeah, it's just the Blue channel what makes skin and freckles look really dark and detailed.

>>2866253
So are you saying you wouldn't recommend it?

>>2866267
what do i know, im just /beg/. it probably cant hurt to read it. give it a go and think critically about which parts are good and which are bad.

>>2866188
Anybody? Id really appreciate it.

my male faces always end up looking like apes or bogdanoffs

what do

>>2866278
>>2866188
did you use a reference?

>>2866282
No. I'm guessing that shows, haha.

>>2866279
Do some Studys of male faces.

>>2866291
but thats all im doing

>>2866284
yaeh, it definitely does.what are you aiming for?
>tell me how to not suck
if you mean getting better at drawing realistically but also from imagination...
i would say you should work on drawing faces from life. fundamentals like line, value, perspective, form...goddammit read the sticky.
pick a beginner book and work through it (i.e., read it and do the exercises)

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>>2866294
Mate, I recognize that that dude's face is shit, but I dont think I'm 'start from scratch' tier.

I'll just use a reference next time, thought it was at least redeemable to get a 'work specifically on X, retard'.

>>2866296
>le so nonchalant random humorous additions
kys

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>>2866296
>'start from scratch' tier
i don't really see why this is a bad thing. it looks like you should be starting from scratch with lines.

if these are supposed to show you have some understanding of anything needed to draw hands realistically, they don't. i'm not just trying to shit on you, i'm trying to be honest.

maybe some other anons can weigh in here, but i don't think i'm wrong.

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>>2866302
Jesus, didn't know I was that bad. Thought it'd show I understand basic form n' shite.

>>2866301
Having fun while drawing is vital!

>>2866305
>fun
get out

>>2866307
Please instruct me on how to stop having fun. It's a horrible habit of mine.

lets say youre /beg/ and you decide to start a piece and youre following some artist and the recent post a piece that has some VERY specific features in it that you want to use but applied fairly different. is this a no no or go ahead. if it matters, said features could be appropriately substituted

>>2866337
>/beg/
>start a piece
nope. practice practice practise.

>>2866342
okay inbetween /beg/ and /draw/, like applying stuff from studies and youre in 'stuck in /beg/ for two years' tier

>>2866344
Don't worry and go ahead. You are allowed to copy everything and everyone. You just can't make profit from it, unless you make enough differences.

>>2866361
alrighty then i will

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Halp

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I'm trying out the box exercise on Draw a Box anons, what am I doing wrong here.

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Crits pls

>>2866382
... Deberías mirar texturas ya existentes e intentar copiarlas.

>>2865676
>dick is so big
Oh you poor soul

>>2866006
Its decent but simplistic, try drawing more advanced figures to git gud at anatomy and structuring

>>2866371
All of the boxes don't go to the same vanishing points. When you rotate a box the parallels point to new vanishing points.

>>2866370
Ears are pretty shit and the head is shaped a bit rectangular

>>2866446
shit, sorry didn't realize it was that big.

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Keys to Drawing exercise 3-A, focuses on starting to learn proportion w/ midpoint

would appreciate a bit of crit.

>>2866371

Treat the center point as a vanishing point for 1 point perspective. Treat the other points as vanishing points for 2 point perspective.

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>>2866382
>>2866387
Just released I posted the wrong thing

>>2865668
OP stop tempting me to draw with these cute butts

You can't have trannies and homos in your thread without them reminding you how much they like cock. On one cares, fucking faggot.

Get back to drawing before I call Mike Fix-a-fag Pence

>>2866477
So this is what /beg/inner rendering looks like.

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just end me /ic/ ;_;

landscape is my shit but I suck at it

are there any book/methods to learn to:
>fill the sky, trees and grass spaces
>draw landscapes with depth using only a pen/pencil without being fuzzy/messy

following the sticky, currently on perspective made easy, but is there any recs specifically to landscapes?

my drawings always end up very messy and fuzzy, like, you can barely understand whats going on or how far/close things are...

critique heavily, please

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More of my Art?

>>2866499
I'm a grill though
And I'll get back to it senpai

>>2866572

Yeah, get back to making me a sandwich you fucking whore. Don't respond to me until you've drawn 100 gesture drawings.


Chop chop.

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>>2865669

>>2866579
Why so much scratching?

>>2866530
""""""""""""art""""""""""""""

>>2866625
Gotta feel that form.

>>2866665
The straight hatching on her legs implies you're feeling the form of cardboard.

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I feel like my fur is kinda off, any opinions before I try more dissections on another form?

>>2866686
Looks like fur, just not very rough fur or a lot of it.

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Rate

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>>2866402
You're right about that. Thank you; I'll look for different things after Loomis.

However: right now I'm cycling through "Drawing the Head and Hands" and drawing exponential amounts of plates until I reach the end, because I neglected this from the outset and nothing is solidified. Trying to draw something with more enrichment than this at the moment would break my brain

>>2866736
impressive likeness

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How do I into render

>>2866793
Look at ref, color pick, learn what values are used and then copy.

>>2866793
its not time for you to render
sticky, drawabox and then grind vehicles

>>2866801
>implying Noah doesn't instantly tell you to do value studies the first week and then you realize it actually works and you got gud

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>>2866530
>>2866803
>>2866801

More of my art??

>>2866807
More like heh heh more like....like

Fart!

ha ha

>>2866807
why did you randomly quote posts

nobody cares about your jumbled mess of shit, go to tumblr if you want attention

>>2866803

Who the fuck is Noah?

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Hey guys, here are some gesture drawings. Any critiques/feedback are welcome.

5 pages here: http://imgur.com/a/r0w3i

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>>2866800
>>2866801

Prugress, am I headed in the right direction? Seems a bit better now

Also, buck draw a box, the key is in the pudding

>>2866856
You need to define your edges m8 also clean up the darkness around it

>>2866858
Got it, I'll be back in a bit senpai. Thanks

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>>2865669
Got lazy towards the end and didn't feel like finishing the legs. Oh well.

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>>2866839
>>2866814

You need me

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>>2866899

Scooby?

taking tutorial requests

what ch'all need halps with

>>2866906
post your work

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>>2866906

Teach me good brush techniques for rendering like Scott Robertson

>>2866906
Can you teach how to draw arms and foreshortening. If you have time legs would be nice too.

>>2866906
teach me how to get a gf

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Posted in last thread. Old is on the left and new is on the right. What is better/worse?

>>2866977
Left is much better

>>2866905
Fucking kek

>>2866977
new (right) is definitely better

>>2866947
Kinda second this, I need to learn how to foreshorten legs better and I struggle with arm that are facing straight.

>>2866167
>>2866183
I think i get what you mean, cross-hatching should be a complement unless i'm working with ink right? i'm saving this post for the future anyway.

>>2866856
That is kind of a silly way to have photoshop set up, too much space wasted in what could be a bigger canvas and even stuff you don't actually need.

>>2867024
What's it matter as long as the painting gets done

>>2867026
I wasn't talking about the product at all, i was saying that he could have a more efficient way to move around and get to the product.

>>2867030

Hey, I am open to ideas. I am pretty new to Photoshop. If you got an example of how I could set it up, I am all eyes.

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constructive criticism would be appreciated

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>>2867055

>>2866977
Nice! I think the right has better proportions. The left has huge shoulders and thin waist. I like the flow of the left better. You lost some of the gesture in the right one and it looks stiff in comparison.

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The mark of an expert artist of having a unique, interesting style.

The mark of a master artist of having several.

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Doing some gesture drawing, not sure if I'm doing a good job at them.

>>2867089
>tfw every beginner here has no style

>>2867096
that is not gesture

re-read vilppu

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>when the pre-blend already looks better

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I need help drawing this pose, I can't get the gesture right.

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>>2865670

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ARRRGGHH

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>>2867172

Can you show us your current failed gesture? I tried drawing it too, not sure if this will help you.

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>>2867189
Thanks, it's the legs that bother me the most, but also everything else.

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I get that all of the vertical lines have to go in the same direction but how do I make sure I place them the right distance from the original one?

I've had a few cubes look weird because of this.

>>2867197
I'm not understanding what you're asking.

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it is one of those nights. I need to start a painting shortly. But all my warmups are total shit. Not having it at all.

>>2867199
Why did you switch from music to art

>>2867200
That's spooky how do you know I use to be into music. . . I used to Dj and tried producing. I still have my synths, and play guitar now and then.


I have actually always gone back and forth with both.

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>>2867196

See if this helps, I see too much contour in your gestures, try to follow the curves and feel the weight of the subject

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Actually forget that last one, I feel like I've missed a step here.

How am I supposed to draw a cube with only one vanishing point? Unless I'm supposed to do it like normal but imagine the second one off screen.

>>2867207
Literally just connect the corners and dots after drawing a square somewhere on the page.

>>2867207

What do you mean? If you want a cube (symmetrical square) then you need to draw an ellipse, then you draw the square on it

>>2867214
Scott please.

>>2867220

I wish, my rendering sucks balls. Do you know what that other Anon is about though? I don't think I understand what he is having trouble with.

>>2867234
To put it simply, he doesn't understand one point and thinks you need two points to draw a box.

>>2867236

Oh shit, alright.

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Ok here's iteration #3. My fucking hand hurts...been drawing on this for hours.

>>2867272
Looks good now, get to rendering.

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what's this 'notice the line is sideways' stuff about? I don't understand. Why does that matter? what difference at this point does it make?

>>2867285
Oh
What book is this from? Haha holy shit
Is this why I've been drawing wheels wrong? I guess I really should have read those books

>>2867286
Why, what difference does drawing it sideways make?

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How is this

>>2867290
It puts the wheel correctly into perspective. Can't you see that? The straight ellipse is the right shape but it's doing some weird shit.

>>2867285
It's an indication of the "long axis" in other words it shows in what direction the circle is stretched to form the ellipse. If the circle was facing you there would be no long axis since the radius would be equal in all directions.

>>2867296
>>2867297
I think I get it, it's like a little egg. The book is Ernest R. Norling - Perspective made easy

It's for complete beginners. I've seen people here criticise it and call it shit, but I've not really had any problems with it. That said, I'm a complete beginner so maybe that's why I don't understand why it's shit. I don't know.

I could find you the download link if you like. (If it's still up)

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>>2867285
>>2867286
>>2867290
You have to understand that there is no up and down in the laws of perspective, it applies here on Earth just as much as if you're an astronaut floating around in space.
The ellipse is always perpendicular to its cylinder's axis.

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>>2866905
>>2866899

I'm back.
Here is my new work.
More?

>>2867378
imagine the actual practice you could be doing to improve yourself instead of wasting time with this

to each their own

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Hi, can some one criticize an help me with this?

>What do you think?
>What should i put in the background?
>Do you have something similar to take as a reference?
>Do you see something weir with the anatomy?
>What do you think she is doing?
Sorry for my bad English.

>>2866512
I recommend you to watch Alphonso Dunn's videos about how to draw landscapes.

Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pr67Dfi-N0&list=PLhBKkQX9XSgeALUlhjOdRwMaq7ucc6t6c

If you are not interested in drawing with PEN then watch it anyways, he explains a lot of things that are very useful even if you only draw with pencil.

Sorry for my bad English :P

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>>2867272
Ok i colored it for a while. I may change the color scheme a bit. But i'll have to work on it later after my hand stops bleeding.

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>>2867386
Maybe this helps

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it's my first try as vaporwave creator, made in GIMP, images from the Internet, what do u all think?

>>2867407
how long have you been drawing? I'm jealoooouuusssssss

>>2867488
Get the fuck out of here.

>>2867488
>>>/gd/

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does anything from this image stand out as inaccurate? Or just comments in general would be appreciated.

Drawn from references, although I'm pretty sure the reference where I got the tits from were photoshoped/bolt ons

If I have access to both paper+materials and a drawing tablet, which would be better for starting out? Tablet seems more convenient, but paper seems... more intuitive I guess?

>>2867590
Paper and pen. Being able to undo mistakes keeps you from improving line quality and devalues how you perceive line placement.

>>2865667
>>2865668
>gay shit always
Were on to (((You)))

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I got a graphgear and decided to break it in with a Sierpinski triangle. The right hand is the same triangle cleaned up a bit and inked down to the 6th layer. Was a bit too tedious to ink all the way down to the 7th layer.

>>2866090
I actually think that it's shot in infrared. Freckles and other skin blemishes that are less-visible in the regular spectrum seriously pop when shown in infrared.

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How am I doing?

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How do I stop chicken scratching? I feel like my drawings won't get past the stage of looking like a child drew them if I can't get better quality lines.

>>2867778

That's something that develops with practice. Line control develops from working the muscles until they are precise. Drawing more often will help that. You also can develop line confidence by making yourself work fast or with a pen. By not being able to spend forever on a drawing and not being able to fix mistakes, you make yourself learn faster. Frame by frame animation is good for this because you draw a lot and you have to work quickly and trust your hand.

You can also deliberately work on it by doing draftsmanship exercises, see links below

http://le-mec.tumblr.com/post/89998719774/deluxe-draughtsmanship-exercise-cheetsheettm

http://darrencalvert.tumblr.com/post/141933666794/people-often-say-to-me-you-draw-like-some-kind

>>2867585
The shoulders are lifted up too high, they feel really tense

Breasts don't form spheres, they connect to the armpit like the pectoral muscle

Not really getting a sense of the 3D of the ribcage either

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started with drawabox today. was actually kind of fun doing this while listening to music. i need to work on getting rid of overshooting, but i guess on day 1 it is kinda expected

should i do more than 1 part of a lesson each day?

>>2867407
great rendering. it kind of clashes with the cartoony thick outlines though.
>>2867585
sticky
>>2867756
pretty good, didnt do the striations though
>>2867813
nice, keep at it

>>2867407
Why are her areolas lighter than the surrounding skin?

Also, the outlining of her waist looks strange. The rendering implies a lot more roundness and musculature and volume than the linework does.

>>2867879
Maybe he likes bleached areolas...

>>2867727
My dad has more freckles than that. His skin is practically brown, you can barely see his original skin tone.

But he does work outside every day with no sunblock.

>>2867879
Addendum to my waist comment: I think it looked better in the earlier linework

>>2867726
nice work, great torso

head isn't as good as the rest though.

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>>2867055
The contour under the eyes is too strong. Weaken it! Use a lighter line under the eye, particularly as the left eye gets nearer towards the nose and the right eye goes away. More curvature on that bevel past the left iris, a thicker line for the left eyebrow, narrower in the middle and offset to the left slightly, rotate the lips counter-clockwise at a slant. You've got to spend more time at it, and whenever you feel frustrated: try and pinpoint where you went wrong and restate it. Do not erase, put the new line next to the old line, or else it isn't very informative.

You might not want to take advice from me,
because I'm a hack.

,>>2866736

Do you guys think meditating 1 hour a day, trying to visualize or construct 3D grids out of images from memory in your head would help internalize Linear perspective?

>>2867940
No, 3D grids are useless. You need to be able to visualize something clearly from all angles. Just visualizing something clearly from one angle is hard enough for most people to the point people believe it's a talent to think in 3D. You must be able to visualize the lines that make up the object as if you were drawing them with your mind's eye, because if you can do that, you can also draw them with your hands. But can you really remember something from memory and visualize clearly? Likely not, you don't have the talent. Unless you're up for the challenge.

>start training heads
>slowly start to see gestures and figures degrade as a result.
does this change over time?

>>2867951
>worrying about degradation
Is this a /beg/inner thing? I've never once worried about it.

>>2867954
worried about it or experienced it?

>>2867585
The scratchy lines make it look disjointed overall and it masks your mistakes. Try redrawing a cleaner contour over it and then repost.

I'd say just from eyeing it that the breasts don't match. The pose looks stiff, it kinda looks like she's shrugging her shoulders, especially the left. She's also slouched, and with a head that dis-proportionally big it looks like it's weighing down on her short neck.

When you draw a pose like this, think of the character as standing tall. That means that the head is held up high and chin tucks into the neck, the chest slightly curved outward, the neck is naturally elongated and erect, and the shoulders drop down to create a triangular shape from the neck down. The collar bones then are pulled by the shoulders and flatten.

Lastly, the hair is looks stiff. That can be prevented by using long flowing lines to draw it rather than the scratchy lines.

>>2867944
>But can you really remember something from memory and visualize clearly?

Sometimes, the more tired I get the easier it becomes but they tend to be very short lived unless I am on drugs. I find that it also becomes easier if I spent time studying the object before hand.


Why do you say 3D grids are useless? Unless I have the wrong idea of what they are, it seems like they are just exactly what you need to be thinking about to see and understand an object from all possible angles.

>>2867940
have u tried drawing instead

>>2867967
3D grids are useless because there is no set 3D grid. A grid is the way it is because of your camera, which is just your mind's eye. If you understand framing, then you can adapt to any kind of "grid".

>>2867951
I was practicing brick walls and after a while my gestures improved a lot too.

>>2867970

I didn't mean to construct or visualize predetermined 3D grids, but rather to attempt to overlay one on top of the images you can remember from memory. Aka try to visualize a tower you've seen before IRL and then draw a grid on it and see where the vanishing point is, where the ellipses that make up the cylindrical shape of the tower would look like etc.
>>2867970

I do that everyday

>>2867977
You should try practicing stairs. You'll see exponential gains.

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I wish I could draw porn

>>2867879
The areolas are lighter so i can set them apart from the rest of the boob. It gives them their own slightly raised shape. Also i haven't colored them yet i was just doing the values.

For the thick lines i was probably going to try coloring the lines to match the adjacent skin color then merge the line layer with the skin layer where i can then paint her body edge a bit more.

>>2867987
>tfw anon draws better butts than you do
If you're good at faces, it's the perfect combination.

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>>2867987

>>2867991
Do you just happen to have this on hand at all times, anon? I bet you even got a whole folder?

>>2867993
yes and yes

>loomis says not to use a cube to draw heads in
>/ic/ says otherwise
???

>>2867997
trust loomis

>>2867951
I've learned there's a difference between thinking that something you've drawn is good and it actually being objectively good. What you perceive as degradation is only your mind coming to realize that you're not as good as you previously thought you were...and at the same time your learning new things. It's a mind fuck and it's messed with me for a long time. The only thing you can do is keep pushing to learn new things. Once you've gotten to a place that you think something is "good" like head, hands, feet, etc....switch to another. Do this over and over and over. Cover every single body part and then do it again and again.

>>2867997
>/ic/ is one person

>>2868000
i've noticed this too however im also sure its a bit of both.

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i'm really bad with proportion

>>2868024
It's like you didn't even read loomis.

Does anyone know how to turn off anti-aliasing in photoshop I am going insane ad google is fucking useless.

>>2868024
"i haven't read keys to drawing"

>>2867294
>Guts gets Casca's potato disease.jpg

>>2867294
Nice style, but it can't hide the flaws in this image. The face is very off when it comes to the eyes, and the left arm is noticeably longer than the right one.

>>2867951
You're not degrading. You're just improving in other places and starting to see the flaws in your current work. It's stayed the same while other stuff has progressed, so it feels like degradation, because what once was equal is now worse comparatively.

>>2868032
What version do you have?

>>2868032
photoshop draws in pixels, not vectors. if thats what you mean.

if you want to see the actual pixels then you have to zoom in far enough. your monitor probably isnt high res enough to see them without zooming.

What is your approach to start a drawing?

I can't seem to find a reliable/confortable way to start my drawings and it frustrates the fuck out of me. Sometimes it goes smootly and others I just can't seem to get it, not only measures, but the whole thing just does not "flow".

Any tips? Should I just restart the same drawing until I get it right? Or maybe move on?

>>2868032
use the pencil tool or turn the brush mode to Dissolve

>>2868087
Find a ref of something I want to draw
And get drawing

>>2868032
Photoshop is awful for actually drawing. It's great for image manipulation and changing contrast/hue/levels. I tried it. It was like i had palsy. I couldn't make a smooth stroke to save my life. I don't know why it's so clunky...why i cant just choose a color without having to bring up the color picker and THEN hitting OK after i pick a color. Why can't i dock the color picker or have a smaller one. Why is the blending brush shit? Why is there no stroke stabilizer?

>>2868088
You can also find specific brushes that are aliased.

Two other imperfect methods:
Select tool - Select an area and paint inside it, or draw with an aliased brush slightly too thick, select with wand, and then modify the selection size to trim off the outer 1px. You can also select something that is already painted and go over it once more with an opaque brush, or smudge it to cover any antialiasing.

Duplication - Copy a layer over and over, merge, then copy over and over again until even the faintest opacity sections are opaque. It is now aliased.

These two are really only good for something that you've already done with antialiasing.

>>2868087
depends on your goal and the subject. you can try drawing quick thumbnails of your reference to see what shapes work best for you. for figure drawing, you learn gesture

>>2868101
How long does it take to "get" gesture?

>>2868102

It takes as long as it takes you to get it

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I've been drawing for two months now and I'm still embarrassingly bad. I read the sticky and gone through enough of the books that I shouldn't still be so shit. I hate myself for not improving. I should give up, right? Drawing isn't for everyone, apparently not for me.

>>2868150
aaaaaaand another one bites the dust

grats on being a statistic rather than having some discipline

>>2868151
I don't know if I want to quit. I've put in so much time trying to get not horrible, but progress is so slow it's demotivating. If someone tells me, "yes you're not improving fast enough, give up," I will give up. If someone tells me this is normal, it's possible for me to get better, I will stick with it. Drawing is causing me so much sadness and frustration that I'd rather leave it up to someone else to choose whether I stick with it.

>>2868087

I tear my hair out before I even begin.

And every night I do it again and reflect that my life is nothing and that I am still terrible and without merit as long as my art remains to be shit.

It keeps my blood pressure up.

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>>2868154
1. As long as you're putting in 100% genuine, hard-working effort, don't let anybody tell you that you're "not improving fast enough."

2. You're putting graphite lines onto paper. This should not cause "so much sadness and frustration."

3. If someone tells you to jump off of a cliff, would you do it?

You don't strike me as a very independent person. Are you a neet? Do you live at home? At this point if you have this sort of attitude towards art (and I'll take a guess and say a lot of things in your life) and you find it difficult you probably will still be frustrated for a long time. I really don't like telling anybody that they won't make it because everybody can - it's more of an issue if they have the willpower. But you need an immaculate attitude change if you want to be anywhere anytime soon.

>>2868154
>two months
>put in so much time
also you obviously didnt read the sticky properly since you didnt use any techniques mentioned in it. read it again and dont be a dindu about it this time.

>>2868154
>not pushing past the frustration phase
its worth it, keep drawing

>>2868171
No, I read the sticky. I'm measuring, using negative spaces, and trying my best not to symbol draw. I'm just fucking retarded and hopeless.

>>2868178
>didnt use any 3d construction or even any construction at all

"i read keys to drawing" is not "i read the sticky"
keys doesnt cover being able to draw full figures perfectly.

>>2868179
>keys doesnt cover being able to draw full figures perfectly.
>implying the sticky does

>>2868180
ok, get the fuck out. there are plenty of things in the sticky that cover that. loomis, villpu, hampton, shit even proko.

i shouldnt have even fed you that information you subhuman fucking swine. get the fuck off of my board and never come back.

>>2868154

If you want to be good at it, you're going to keep trying.

I've been doing this for decades and I'm still shit. Been thinking of jumping off a bridge or under the wheels of a bus.

But, really, there will be some kind of benefit otherwise you wouldn't have been interested.

And you literally might not give as much of a shit as you think. I don't know what your intentions are behind learning. Could be anything.

Anyway. Let's say you are using every thing you've learned from the sticky's resources. I'm pretty sure you aren't because it takes a lot of time to use them properly. You "know" them but you can't use them.

The process dead ass takes time. That's the end of it. No one knows how long it's supposed to take each individual person. For me? I'm authentically stupid and it's taken my whole life and I still can't do anything.

Because I did things wrong.

But you've got a good chance to do things right and to take your time. Don't worry about this stuff. It's frustrating and hopeless and empty, but it isn't impossible.

Sometimes it's even fun.

>>2868189
Are you me

>>2868192

I wish. Then I wouldn't have to have been alive at all.

>>2868193
stop masturbating

>>2868180
>>implying the sticky does
You really didn't read the sticky, did you? Even then, I don't know why you wouldn't even attempt to search up construction and figure drawing.
Also, your line quality is shit. Are you not drawing from your shoulder?-- Have you never tried any drawabox line practices?

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didn't do much today. just Keys to Drawing exercise 3-B, learning more proportion stuff

really liked the pose in the ref i used

criticism appreciated

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>>2868204
reference

>>2868206
Damn this is some strong ass lighting, you can't honestly expect someone to draw in those conditions can you?

>>2868204
I don't get how people can do lines like this, especially around the feet and shoulders.

My lines always feel so stiff and thick.

>>2868275
Draw some squigglies to loosen up, and make sure you're drawing from your shoulder

>>2867997
where does he say this?

>>2865715
Good job with the other drawings, I love the gesture drawings!

Tone bar is good, but I unfortunately a cross hatching bar doesn't work that way. What I suggest to make it simpler is fill the bar completely crooked hatch marks, then the opposite direction to go darker, then another direction, and repeat. I wish there was a way to explain it easier, hopefully you understand

Good job, keep going!

>>2865781
This is rendered well, I think the main issue is the chest and shoulder area. The hips are pretty small too, but with some correction of the wideness of the chest, and maybe making the hips a bit wider, she may look proportionate.

Nice work!

I want to get into oil painting but I'm pretty stupid when it comes to guides and not that knowledgeable at art,any really basic guides would be appreciated

>>2868340
Private message a guy name bricom40 on Instagram
He'll help you out

>>2866093
This is pretty cool, wish you have set more of a scene though, the style is really awesome, but without a setting we're stuck only looking at the figure and wondering their context. Maybe try redoing this drawing, set the figure into a space and see what happens!

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>>2865665

Not fininshed yet, I am thinking of adding a Beret. I'd be a good excuse to do some research on how the USAF berets work and also add some imaginary stuff

>>2868150
What?? 2 months of work and you're whining? Some of us have been drawing since we could hold a pencil. Imagine my surprise when after all those years, I realized how little I knew about drawing. Even though I was pretty good at being a copy machine, I decided to basically start over and learn everything I can.

Yeah, it's not for you if you decide that after 2 months you're done. Drawing is laborious and painstaking. There is no shortcut. You have to be able to draw everything you want to see on that paper. It takes a lot of time and tedious effort to hone that skill.

Believe it or not, some of us actually enjoy that process of making mistakes, learning, and improving.

Ask yourself why you want to draw. If you decide to stop, you'll never learn. Simple as that. Then see if you want to keep trying.

Looking at that drawing of yours, I really don't think you've put enough effort into it. People are telling you to read the sticky because it looks like you didn't apply any of what's taught there.

For a beginner, you're drawing is actually not that bad. You've only put in 2 months. Imagine what you could do with a lot more time. Don't think of it as a race either. But remember that if you work hard, study, given time you will be much better than where you are now. You can't help but improve if you really try.

There's nothing stopping you from continuing to practice.

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How do I render?

>>2868367
Understand value. Know what's your darkest and your lightest. Use ref to render accordingly.

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>>2868351
Looks like someone sharted all over this chicks face holy shit!

>>2867572
thanks for advice

>>2867795
i usually struggle with making things look 3d so I try to draw it more box like to imply it. Is there anything you could suggest to make it more 3d? Would shading help?

>>2867965
yeah you're right about the scratchy lines part, I try not to but my tablet has a really smooth surface so it's hard to control. I think I get what you mean, as in the shoulder is flat at best and if they are raised above that the person is standing stiff or intentionally raising them.

thanks for the feedback guys

>>2867590
as a beginner i recommend paper. Rough paper is a lot easier to control your lines with and you don't have the temptation/luxury to digitally edit mistakes, like undo button or fixing stuff with photoshop.

That doesn't mean ignore digital though, just discipline yourself not to "cheat", so to speak.

>>2868403

Yeah, maybe she's into scat. So pretty, yet such a shitty fetish.

>>2867199
>(902) 492-1271
did you goof? I think you goofed

>>2867585
your line work is too scratchy and you use too many straight/perpendicular lines. Box it out with some perspective, the chest juts out and isn't face on. The face isn't straight up and down, fix the center line. Linework is too scratchy, also the head looks like it's drifting off the neck, the neck is off center to the body and the person's right shoulder is too big.

>>2868150
Don't be a whiny bitch, draw some references until you get used to the shapes and can spot when you're fucking up. his left leg is too skinny and straight, left shoulder too long and looks raised too high for his left arm. Right arm too skinny and long by the staff. face seems too big but I might be wrong, you're drawing too much of what you think should be there, not what you see; dem foots, dat skipping on leg day, those fingers. None of that bollocks with not being cut out for it, git gud fagit

>>2868204
Her right knee looks like it's not facing the viewer, should also have a harder line on the torso showing start of the twisting hips, left arm is curving outward in your pick, opposite to reference. The face looks squished into the head a little like you started the shadows too far to the right. The right hand is a mess but I doubt it matters. your toes curve down more than the ref. and the right foot should point more towards the left. The crease where the thigh meets the hip should curve on the body a little more. The left shoulder should have more well-defined shadows and might be slightly too thick. Over all not too shabby, I'm a nitpicking whore if you couldn't tell.

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Heelllpp!!! How big should the eyeball be inside the socket, and where should the placement be. And how much area should the eyelids take up. Each time I draw eyes they look anime