/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

I have two free hours, should I try drawing slowly and kinda sloppy or less slow and very sloppy?

>>2816808
what are you trying to accomplish in either scenario

>>2816808
You should draw very slowly and clean.

>>2816809
trying to better eye/hand coordination and line confidence so I'm not always this sloppy

>>2816810
My hands are shaky and I'm apparently not good at seeing things properly so it probably won't turn out clean

>>2816812
Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean you shouldn't try.

>>2816760
I've been trying to count how many heads high she is, but I don't get consistent results when measuring from the top down or bottom up. Measuring top down I get 5 and 2/3 heads high, but bottom up it's 5 and 1/2 heads high. Am I allowed to use a ruler at any point or do I just wing it?

>>2816853
I think that means you're not measuring with the same points. Also, it's not winging, it's called relative measurement. You're measuring in comparison to other parts of the body. Unless you want to do it sight-size.

>>2816854
Sorry, by wing it I meant just do my best guess between 5 and 2/3 and 5 and 1/2. I use the top of the head to the bottom of the chin, the points should be the same.

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>spend an hour putting down measuring lines, no copying of the actual drawing
>cheat by using a ruler to check and see if they're evenly spaced
>they're not

I-it's not like I wanted to make it anyway

>>2816951
>tfw too incompetent to use a ruler
It's alright I guess.

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gestures

1/2

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>>2816987
2/2

those are backwards. the first one is the more recent gestures

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just started istebrak's 14 day challenge; here's day one. symmetry is the bane of my existence (looking at u, cheek highlights)

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I've been struggling with putting the coloring onto this all day, yes I know it sucks. Does anyone feel like helping me out with where the shadows could be? I am having a lot of trouble with the legs and torso.

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Help /ic/

Here are my questions, I suck with fundamentals

1. How do you draw to heads when you're drawing dynamic or flat poses (i.e upper body tilted), I literally just use references and guess, I'd like to do it from imagination - can you draw the heads on this image? Assuming 8

2. What's wrong on this image, can someone draw construction lines? To me the left breast seems angled incorrectly

I'm practicing figures now

>>2816951
Bargue.

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i tried

>>2817079
Barely. Where's the rest?

How do I apply the principles of gesture drawing to construction from scratch?

Is gestures more of a life drawing thing?

>>2817093
If you do it long enough your gesture just becomes a process of sketching loosely while keeping in mind of animating a person rather than a life drawing exercise.

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literally the only i learned about choosing skins colors from this study was fucking choosing skin colors

>>2817107
oops meant to say "fuck choosing skin colors" as in it sucks assballs

>>2817107
The neck is too thick , plus something is always wrong with the way you render. Watch CTRL-Paint videos about it, and get a hard round brush and set it to flow : 50,

>>2817113
>The neck is too thick
wrongo on that, looking at the overylay now.
> plus something is always wrong with the way you render
welp now what did i do? like specifics

a few of the colors are off but not by much

and i always playing with opacity/flow. my settings are almost never the same for a given area i work on. i skip around.

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wip

>>2817107
all your edges are hard, that's your render problem

>>2817153
youre right ill fix those up tomorrow

My arms are too shaky and my eyes are bad and I'm retarded, every time I try to do relative measurements with my thumb and a pencil the measurements are different. Do I even bother trying to draw the subject when I can't even figure out if the subject's foot is exactly as tall as her head, or how many heads tall she is precisely?

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>>2816751

Screwed up the glasses and their shadow.

when i do gesture i feel like im just doing a shit figure. how to fix?

I got a problem guys. I'm taking a drawing class but we have to draw at an easel. I lose the tiny bit of skill I have drawing vertically as I'm used to drawing on a flat surface. How do I overcome this?

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>>2817050
From the book "amazing crayon"

Try applying these on your drawing

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>>2816753

>>2817239
READ THE FUCKING OP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2817239
>>2817253
my bad, i thought it was for the reference pictures for some reason

>>2816987
>>2816988
loosen up and dont be afraid to use lines that dont follow a contour, like one that follows the spine. Keep them at least under 2 minutes. Also do some quick studies of individual body parts and some long studies of finished poses.

>>2817079
the original piece didnt use that many lines if I remember correctly..

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I just can't get a good construction going for drawing the figure and when I do I can't work it out to a finished drawing. Am I not trying? Is there something I'm doing that is really wrong? Am I still not at a level where I should be doing this? Have I still not drawn enough bodies from reference?

Any help/guidance would be really appreciated.

>>2817292
>and when I do I can't work it out to a finished drawing
That's your problem
Do you fear it'll end up looking like shit or something?

>>2817292
your shapes arent great, that might be part of the reason. clean lines too. draw through stuff. use pencil i think is best.

im /beg/ so dont take what i say as objective. i think try doing cylinders for limbs and boxes for the pelvis/ribcage. work on that for a bit then see if you improve. dont add muscles and detail for now. try contouring it all with rings.

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critique

>>2817301
reference?

>>2817296
No, not in that sense, but more as in that once I start to work on the construction it just starts to feel flat and in no way looks right. But that would mean that the construction itself never was correct I think? I feel like Im just a bit stuck right now and I don't know what the problem is.

>>2817314
once I start to work with the construction trying to finish it*

>>2817314
Maybe you should try using references.
Like if you want to draw a specific position, use reference of some legs and some other photo in the position of those arms, and hands and etc. like a collage of references.

try it.

>>2817156
you really should

I have no idea of why you insist on doing it this way, nevertheless, soft edges are very important for skin, hence why your environment devoid of them from before looked somewhat better than all your figures

>>2817198
Anybody have any advice for this?

>>2817333
From what I remember
-Use your entire arm
-Try to loose your grip a little, compared to what you do in a normal position

Do lines and circled while doing that to get used to it

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>>2817308
Well I started using this but at some point got carried away and fucked it up. Not even close to the reference I know but still wanted some feedback.

>>2817346
pretty bad.
Practice more references.
Try doing a pen and ink book to better your rendering.

>>2817351
Do you recommend any book in particular?

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>>2817353
Susan E. Meyer, Martin Avillez

How to Draw in Pen and Ink

vkDOTcomSLASHdoc4043932_344849711?hash=7cb26af65ce1935b22&dl=94474a1708388cb035

I can't find my pencil sharpener and it's too cold to go out and buy another one today. Do I keep drawing with a dull pencil or should I just read?

>>2817374
>CURENT YEAR
>Not being a mechanical pencil mustard
You need to ketchup with the times old man

>>2817374
Use a knife.

>>2817374
>>2817380
better, use blood

So what video tutorials/online course would you suggest to start? Should I try jumping into anatomy or should I do something else first?
(I already did Drawabox and I'm currently doing Peter Han's course)

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>>2817410
try bert dodson keys to drawing if you don't mind the book format

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>>2816760
>measure over 10 times how many heads wide she is with thumb and pencil
>slightly less than 2 heads
>measure with ms paint
>slightly more than 2 heads

what is going on

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>>2817413
There are already quite a lot of guide about books so I wanted to know something about video tutorials. They all seem quite specific. I need something that would teah me the fundamentals

>>2817417
define fundamentals
are you talking about anatomy, perspective fundamentals, rendering and/or line art fundamentals...
what?

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>>2817421
I don't know, I need a starting point. As I said th sticky and some other guides on /ic/ explain well what path to follow with books. I need something similar with video tutorials/online courses.
This is more or less my shitty level, left is my first attempt at Huston heard and right is a figure from immagination

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>>2817424
Have fun:
http://pastebin.com/p4HLZazk

>>2817438
anon...

>>2817206
the fuck
>no hard and lost edges
>reflected light where light cannot reach
>wrong hue shift in the shadow area
Do yourself a favor and throw that book away, anon.

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>>2816760
Took a long time on this. I think this is the first time I've seriously tried figure drawing. Sorry for the chicken scratching, I need to work on my line confidence.

>>2817206
>tfw crayon can actually look good
Really makes you think

I've noticed while watching people drawing on picarto that sometimes they draw, "undo", and then re-draw a line up to 5 or so times before moving on.

Is that a normal workflow for most tablet users? It seems completely counter to drawing with physical media where you obviously have to get the line right first time, with ink or something.

>>2817545
If you have the option to erase, you probably will erase. Doesn't that make sense? In physical media, you could use graphite and erase. Digital however is a medium in which anything can be altered, so it's completely out of this world in comparison to physical media. Also, it may be because most people use a tablet that isn't a cintiq or something, so it really is different from drawing traditionally and are therefore prone to mistakes.

>>2817545
idk what picarto is like but maybe most there are beginners and doing incorrect things

>>2817548

It does make sense, yes, but it seemed like it was almost a stochastic process for the person I was watching, he'd just keep drawing and undoing until the line came out right, which almost feels like a lack of control over what he actually wanted to do.

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>>2816756

fuck this, I cant. its too hard :(
im redrawind everything 20 times and it still doesnt resemble her

>>2817573
I like it. It doesn't look ugly to me, at least. But I'm very beginner so what do I know?

>>2817573
LEAVE, leave this place while you can, get all the books and resources if you want but please practice alone or seek critique from more friendly communities unless you want to lose your hope

>>2817573
>no shading to indicate bone structure
>it doesnt resemble her
no shit

>>2817578
hugboxes are the path to stagnation

stagnation is the path to regret

>>2817578
>t. ngmi

>>2817581
you will regret it harder when you give up after 2 weeks of >>2817580

>>2817583
You act like that's the only type of critique ever given on this board. Learning how to filter critique is a useful skill as well, but if you want him to end up as a potential subject in the cringe threads then he can follow your advice.

>>2817580
but I cant quite get the very defined face profile in the picture, no time for shades yet

can someone with a more advanced brain pinpoint what angle/size is wrong :(

>>2817604
>>2817588
the profile outline looks fine. but the rest has no form which is why it doesnt look like her.

>>2817583
if you give up after a few posts of abrasive but relevant critique then it wasnt meant to be anyway.

>>2817614
most if not all critique in this thread is given by beginners, this and the fact that "you fucking suck" people don't get punished can take a toll on... absolute beginners

you are on 4chan after all though, if you think this is the correct place to get good at something then go ahead

>>2817645
>punished
for fucking words? where do you want this to be? what punishment do you want for these people?
mindset critique is important too. "ur a faget" works in motivating people to take things more seriously like you for some reason dont want them to be. "hey /fit/ i want to get toned for summer but i dont want to like get all sweaty and stuff what do i do lol :DDD" gets ridiculed and rightly it should.

i think you should leave this place and any place where people seriously pursue something. autistic childrens therapy might be a good place to start.

>>2817645
The fact that this place is so harsh is what has helped me improve the most though. I don't even wanna imagine what would have happened if I tried learning with any other website since everywhere else is a fucking hugbox.

>>2816756
Is it just the lighting or does she have a prominent brow ridge? Is this a trap

>>2817645
There are some good people who give good advice in a good way and there are some people who give good advice like asshole.

Then you have those who say shit to make others feel like shit because they're not progressing.

It's 4chan. People give you shit you take what you want and ignore the rest.

>>2817655
It's like a bird's nest.

>>2817650
>Only constructive criticism will be accepted. >Rude or offensive comments will result in a ban.
"ur a faget" makes most people that have been drawing for 30 minutes in years feel like this isn't the right hobby

>>2817655
I have nothing against the two first kinds of people you mentioned, other beginners giving advice like assholes or >>2817650 are the flaw of this thread
>it's 4chan
it doesn't have to be /b/ though.

>The school's fundamental model is "draw what is really there, not just what you see."
What did they mean by this?

>>2817658
>"ur a faget" makes most people that have been drawing for 30 minutes in years feel like this isn't the right hobby
it doesnt, you projected your on insecurity onto everyone else. it is constructive, desu lots of people need to hear that.

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>>2816751
Too tired to finish. Any feedback please?

>>2817669
Did you mean to post this in the draw thread?

>>2817669
dont cut off the top of his head
the next step is more finite rendering
the glasses arent perfect
its all pretty good though

>>2817670
if you are >>2817658 please fuck off.

>>2817665
I think it means understanding the subject shapes and form in 3D space. You see a ball as circle but it's actually a sphere and when you get closer there's details that consist of different shapes/colors etc..

Try to understand your subject and ask yourself the right question.

Why does the light react that way on that spot? Well it's because the form is like this etc...

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alrright hows this :/

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bout month and half now of getting into drawing.
was looking at the wiki so i thought i'd add a dino. does the anatomy on the body look correct?
about to start practicing arms/hands and feet/knees and gonna start reading loomis.
no reference on this, just want to see if anyone has anything to say about where im at with drawing from imagination now (takes about 5ish min on body), will post more bodies if i sketch up anymore

>>2817758
>this good after a month and a half
That's the shit man. That's what I want.

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>>2816750
Plos roast me
Does it look better than >>2816060 ?
Be honest

>>2817767
>drawing on watercolor paper
Isn't that expensive?

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ref from a couple threads ago

>>2817761
Yeah, it looks a lot better.

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>>2817774
Are you sure?

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>>2817771
sorry file was a bit large, gonna repost.
its not super costy ones, just really any paper thats more gritty. feels nice

>>2817780
And now the cracks start to show...
It seems that it suffers from escoliosis, and you seem to have trouble understanding breast physics.

>about to start practicing arms/hands and feet/knees and gonna start reading loomis.
Go for it, even for something as mediocre as that you show a lot of potential.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM&t=4m18s

OK, I measured out 4 and a bit heads on >>2816757 but when I get to the point like in the video where I'm supposed to draw a rough outline of the head, those simple lines don't turn out right. The proportions are already off barely after starting. What do I do?

>>2817802
Redraw them until they turn out right.

>>2817064
you have to use references until you memorize how the human body works, then you can stop.
you gain nothing from not using references, you just have to use all you can to make your drawing good
its too difficult to tell you what's wrong with your drawing other than the fact that the contruction of the body is fucked
the torso looks flat, the pelvis is sliding away from the rest of the body, the shoulders and neck area is a cluster fuckery

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>>2817784
there you go!
are the breasts any better on this? i know they're meant to not be perky but mostly hang off, the wolf does really kinda ignore breast anything and they just howl along with it.
what do you mean by escoliosis btw?

>>2817841
>are the breasts any better on this?
not really

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>>2817845
arghh keep messing up the resizing of file.
any tips for breasts? i can see the left one being off pretty clearly now that i think about it. else ill just go look at some tits

>>2817841
you have to use shading to make the boobies look real

>>2816757

Well this was a stupid waste of time. I thought it might be good practice but apparently I don't even know enough to try.

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>>2817890
Sorry, meant to resize.

>>2817890
Drawing is all about failing, just try again until you get it right. But you won't ever get it right because you suck, so just move on and do better the next time. Good luck.

>>2817892
Be honest, did you read any of the recommended starter books in the sticky (KTD/Right Side)?

>>2817327
doing it what way? but youre right, im not really paying attention to edge control. im trying to study skin color

>>2817896
I got as far as the measurements chapter in KTD and the hand-through-viewfinder exercise in Right Side. I think that should be enough to teach me how to do better, but I feel I'm coming up short.

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>>2817761
How about this one?
I think I'm starting to grasp the fur and hair concept.
Is supposed to look wet btw, But I just added the first few steps.

>>2817899
>doing it what way

>not paying attention to edge
>studying skin color
You need to lay the foundation first, value, edge control, form and such come before color because they will make you understand it better.
You can alternate while studying them, or paint the studies if you like color as much.

>>2817410
>(I already did Drawabox and I'm currently doing Peter Han's course)

if you did drawabox and peter hans course you're not starting out. You're supposed to take those two things really slowly, spend weeks on them and also on observational drawing. If you just started out, you shouldn't even think about anathomy right now. That's my advice, but if you still wanna do anatomy, go ahead and do anatomy.

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trying to get good at colors w/o using the color picker
also if anyone has any advice on brush economy/getting good brush strokes hit me up, obviously I'm garbage at it

>>2817892

I critiqued some of your stuff earlier, how long does it usually take you to draw these if I might ask.

I am not trying to be an ass, just trying to gauge the amount of initial time you spend on these, since I have an idea to help you out quicker.

Your learning, so don't worry.

>>2817937

Completely different anon replying and adding to this anon's post.

If you are drawing Draw-A-Box and drawing on paper in general, use a pen, usually a medium or 0.3, 0.5, or 0.7 felt tip pen.

And draw from the shoulder as much as you can.

>>2817974
I lose track of time. Sometimes I'll put on my timer for 15 minute intervals and it goes by so fast. I also get distracted a lot and waste time that way. If it had to guess, >>2817892 took about an hour (mostly going back and forth with my pencil and thumb measuring stuff) and >>2817530 took at least two

I'm interested in your idea tho

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can anyone tell me what should i fix with this bottle? Ignore the shape.

>>2817982

First, post the reference please.

>>2817984
there is no reference

>>2817982
Use a reference next time
There is no reflection

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>>2816751
I kinda screwed the proportions, especially with the eyes. glasses are messed up too.

>>2817982
Everything
It doesn't even look like a bottle anon, practice forms before you start colors

>>2817987
not bad

>>2817989
I was counting on overpaints or something of that kind, if anyone can do that i would be very grateful

>>2816750
>mfw started drawing as of 4 days ago
Dunno if I should post anything.

>>2818004
The response will be the same. Read the sticky, read Keys to Drawing, etc. and give 110% on getting better at measuring.

>>2817981

So, here are three things atm that I think will help you.

>1: Learning the human proportions in relation to other body parts.

Understand that the human body can be broken up into it's own limbs to measure it's self out.

Such as using the head length (and sometimes width) to measure the height (and sometimes the width) of the body.

Skim over this, you can read it, but just take a glance at the simply breakdown of the human body into basically ovals or ellipses and copy those images.

>https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/human-anatomy-fundamentals-basic-body-proportions--vector-18254

The idea behind drawing from life is using measurements, visual measurements, which I think you understand or grasp, but cannot implement well at this point.

>2: Grinding through timed continuous, gesture and normal contour drawings

I think at this point it would benefit you greatly with skipping working on longer pieces and grinding through timed drawings.

Usually averaged between 3 (gesture) to 5 (gesture, contour, and continuous) to 15 (contour and continuous) minute drawings.

Read up the difference between each of the three drawing exercises below in the link.

>http://www.studentartguide.com/articles/line-drawings

>Contour: fancy-pants art speak for a clean basic line drawing (nothing special)

>Gesture: Gesture drawings capture basic forms and proportions – the emotion and essence of a subject – without focusing on detail. (I ripped that quote straight out of the above link)

>Continuous Contour: drawing an image without lifting your pencil off the page until the image is done, you CANNOT lift the pencil off and draw in another section, you must either retrace your lines back to the point and draw or find a middle way to get through the drawing using the available reference.

I highly suggest doing these all timed.

Cont.

>>2817892
listen.
you're never gonna make anything that looks good this way. you're not even drawing.
take your pencil, draw loose lines, draw circles and bend them to hearts desire and make them as loose and fun as possible.
from circles draw out more lines and shapes, round them, twist them, turn them.
you want to actually get a feeling for moving the pencil, and when you do, start sketching body parts, try doing a body part at a time. a hand, a leg, a foot.

your drawings are so shy and forced. looking at this is like talking to a socially awkward person who instead of replying with body language and chatter replies with a stiff "yes" and then just stands there for 3 minutes and leaves with an awkward "bye".

loosen up, dont draw bodies, draw shapes for the beginning, round shapes, when you get a feeling for that, you'll start improving and working on your own. what you are doing now is reading a book, but you're not going to be able to apply any of that. the problem with books is that people read them and follow them too strictly. you can get advice in art, you can learn from others in art, but in the end it just remains as expression, and your drawings are a complete lack of everything.

learn to draw a sketch in 3 minutes and then throw it away and try again, that's what you need to aim for right now if you ever plan on improving.
go to quickposes or any other pose website, set timer to 3 minutes, sketch the body as fast as you can in those 3 minutes, if that doesn't work, just sketch a stickman for it and gradually add more and more. a circle for a head, a shape for the ribs, a shape for the hips.

when you get stuck on certain parts of it, learn how to draw that body part. that's when you start actually reading books and learning anatomy.

you're focusing on the wrong thing right now and that's fine. people here might come off as strict and you might get the wrong idea. start from the basics. you're not meant to do "correct" drawings yet.

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>>2818014
cont.
ironically, from a book.

>>2818013

Cont.

Draw 15 gesture drawings, 5 out of the 15, time yourself for 30 seconds; 5 out of the other 15, time yourself for 1 minute; 5 out of the 15 remaining drawings, time yourself for 3 minutes.

Draw 15 continuous contour drawings, all of them drawn for 15 minutes each.

Draw 15 normal line/contour drawings; 5 out of the 15, time yourself for 10 minutes; 5 out of the 15, time yourself for 15 minutes; 5 out of the remaining 15, draw for 20 minutes on each piece.

>3: Drawing everything, not just human bodies

Draw a pile of shoes, a couple of mugs arranged in a pile, draw a pile of clothes or a pile of your bed sheets, or your room or a landscape.

Expand your visual training.

>>2817892
you really need to study more of the fundamentals, read more of the books in the sticky.

your drawing is really flat, study form. Your lines are really scratchy, too, try to draw from the shoulder and get them down in one stroke. you're measuring to an extent, but you need to study all of the fundamentals more.

>>2818008
Been reading it, and yeah, I've been checking out the wiki everyday since.

>>2818004

Post it, not all of us will bash you with "read the sticky" or "read the book".

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>>2818027
Shit my bad.
>>2817913
Does it look like wet fur?

>>2818030

Don't guess

>Look up wet otter (no don't look on e621)

>Study wet otter

>Attempt to work and copy wet otter

>Then post (with reference would be nice)

Wet otters and hair/fur is condensed when it gets wet and becomes heavy and usually lies flatter and more stream line, if I remember from not looking at an otter forever, when they are wet, their fur is not puffed up like that.

Don't guess, study, and show references.

>>2818017
even more measuring and even more study will not only make him more flat and confused but slow him down even more. this guy needs to learn to not measure but just experiment for a bit and draw round full shapes before he tries to draw humans

>>2818037
Sorry, I got my words mixed up a bit. I wasn't trying to say he should be focusing more on the reference or measuring right now, but that he needs to be studying the fundamentals.

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>>2818036
I didn't guess.
I just failed :(

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>>2818021
Thats true.

Pic related was me just trying to draw from my imagination just about 20 minutes ago.

>notebook paper
I know, I'm sorry.

>>2818030
>>2818045
>>2818036
Does it look like a wet otter tho?
I don't mean realistic, but something that would look like that if you didn't google it.
Is it convincing that it may look like that or you don't buy it. That's more important to me.

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>>2816753
how do i improve lads

>>2818053
stop drawing faces when you cant even draw 3 squares to properly represent proportions.
BASICS.
B A S I C S

>>2817206

Thanks!

>>2818061
are you >>2817050 ?
Show the result when you finish please, I'm curious.

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>>2818045

I would suggest using an actual picture of a wet otter or wolf, not pre/post-paintings/works of animals.

I can tell you are understanding the process, but drawing and painting as close as you can to and from life is best.

>>2818046

If you have printer paper, draw on that if you can.

Honestly, it could be better, do you have any actual studies to show your current level atm?

>>2818052

I'll be honest, no, not really, since it's just a random looking tuft of fur. (not to be an ass)

>>2818053

Face is too wide, bring it in, and that bottom right jaw line is way too high and the it should partially resemble the left bottom jawline.

The neck should be angled towards the vertical center of the middle of the figure, not going outwards.

The eyes need to be moved closer together, and the right eye should be brought down more.

The mouth is close, but the nose needs to be brought up, the bottom of the ears should line up with the bottom of the nose.

The ears should be better shaped, and the ears should taper off and reconnect horizontally with the eyebrows.

>>2818067
>just a random looking tuft of fur
But is it a convincing tuft of fur?

>>2818069

No, but it's getting there.

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>>2818073

>>2818073
what is lacking?, what's the biggest problem?

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>>2818075

Don't worry, you will make it, we will all make it if we put the work in.

>>2818013
I'll do my best to follow your instruction.

I'll try to copy those anatomy images, but I can tell you now it'll be embarrassing since my ellipses game is so weak.

>>2818075
Irony or not that is not a fucking canary

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>>2818013
thanks for the help, I think I understand proportions much better now.

>>2818059
People use squares to represent proportions?

>>2818121

Np.

Here's one that goes a little more in depth.

>http://www.thedrawingsource.com/figure-drawing-proportions.html

I can't find the one where it uses palms, and eyes for facial measurements, especially the eye one.

I'm practicing sketching on my tablet instead of a pen and paper

What software shall I use, what resolution?

If I'm on a big canvas it'll look fine if I'm zoomed out but instantly looks like shit when I zoom in because of chicken scratch

Also is using a stabiliser a sin while sketching

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>>2817915
i overlooked edges cause i have painted a figure (beside the shitters from imagination that i do) in forever but i played around with the edge some more, mostly around the arm, torso, neck, upper leg. not sure if i softened them enough but i think it looks a bit better.

>>2817279
ill try, it seems like theres no solid exact format for how these can be done so i just copied prokos. these are about a min. def not under 1 min but def not over 1.5 min.
>Also do some quick studies of individual body parts and some long studies of finished poses.
i do need to study individual body parts specifically but im not sure what you mean by "long studies of finished poses" is that just a fancy way of saying to study figure? like my pic related?

going to do so some more skin studies and gestures after this if it checks out

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Absolute beginner. Watching Proko's stuff. Is this even remotely alright?

>>2816750

So I have 25 sketches with the references.

How or where should I post them on here?

Should I just compile them into one large image, or post them 5 clusters, with 5 sketches and references for each?

>>2818183
yeah.
Looks pretty alright to me
keep doing whatever you are doing

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>>2818216

eww that file size

How important is the tilt feature on an Intuos Pro? They're much more expensive than a regular Intuos and that's the only significant difference I know of.

>>2818220
Not that important

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>>2818016
I watched a video tutorial on how to do them, but I still have no idea what I'm doing with gesture. This feels very wrong.

>>2818284
Damn anon, those are some good gestures!

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It's been a few weeks /beg/. How are my heads looking?

>>2818286
I'm sorry :(

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>>2816753
Fucked a lot of shit up...

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15 min. each sketch dump, basic line drawing.

1/6

Crit. would be helpful.

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NOTICE ME SENPAI

>>2818303
Good job, keep trying, hand on the left looks pretty good though.

>>2818302
So this is the power of construction.
You got a blog I can follow, anon?

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>>2818304
I just feel like shit that I cannot do it without reference. Hands are my bane and there aren't enough hands in the world to draw to make me good.

>>2817982
why is there condom on a kiwi

>>2818302
I need to do more timed drawings as well

>>2818170
>what resolution?
idk, experiment. i use something between 2-4k
>what software?
doesn't matter too much. photoshop, clip studio, sai, krita
>chicken scratch
draw-a-box lesson 1. do the exercises as a 10 minute warm-up daily. you can skip them every once in a while when your lines start improving.
>stabilizer
unless you can draw decent lines/curves on your own i wouldn't use it until then. you'd just be using a crutch at that point. feel free to use them when you get better though.

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>>2818302

These are in order of them being made.

2/6

>>2818307

Not sure if you are baiting me and making fun of me or what, spent too much being shitposted on, you really interested?

>>2818004
Not until you finish ether 'keys' or 'right side' then not yet. Until then work through the books. Just be patient, the first time in the symbol books are NOT perfect.

>>2818314
this actually looks like a filled condom. Thanks for the insight

>>2818314
This is the first time /ic/ has ever made me laugh in a year.

>>2818320
>tfw it takes hundreds of hours to perfect the stuff in those books
What /ic/ doesn't tell you

>>2818316
thank you very much anon

Can someone post their full resolution figure sketches without resizing? I'd like to see what it looks like zoomed in

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Rip me a new one, please

>>2818317
Of course, I'm super super serious, anon! I really like them! What resources did you use to learn how to draw like that?

>>2818324
Sadly yes. But you need to draw faces/poses perfectly before you begin loomis.

It's just a fact of the craft. Even if you do this for a Hobby or want to be a Profession the fundamentals are still the fundamentals and you have to grind them.

>>2818333
>But you need to draw faces/poses perfectly before you begin loomis.
What did anon mean by this

>tfw too stupid and untalented to grind even the fundamentals properly

>>2818302
Great construction all around. Number 5 stands out to me, the chest and stomach area are very well proportioned. One thing I'd say is watch out for negative space though. You do this well in #2. the space between the head, right shoulder and leg are well positioned. There are parts in 3, like the space between the legs and the space between right arm and the head.

>>2818325
sketches or full painted? ill post my full res of >>2818178
at 3k x 4.5k if you want

>>2818340
>>2818302
Oops, I meant to say that the spaces i mentioned in 3 should be looked at. The space between the legs looks a bit close.

>>2818339
It's alright, you see, the world is pretty cool in that you can actually learn to do stuff, so you don't always have to be stupid. The fundamentals are no joke though, it may be the basics, but it's not easy. People underestimate them. They take time, but I believe you can do it.

sketches please

>>2818346
meant to quote >>2818341

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>>2818346
>>2818348
i have shitty lines

>>2818183
you're focusing on contour a little too much, but it looks well enough for an "absolute beginner"

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Working in clip studio/manga studio here. Any tips for learning to use longer strokes for lineart? I tend to use very short, sketchy strokes of the pen when making lines instead of continuous, long strokes. I'm even worse about it when working digitally.

Tear me a new one. Can post a slightly larger version if needed.

>>2818369
If you're not gonna make it, I'm definitely not gonna make it. You're miles ahead of me.

>>2818371
whoops, my stupid ass forgot to turn down the opacity on the background sketch layer before exporting. sorry it's a little messy as a result.

>>2818369
I know these are quick sketches, but try to be more purposeful with your lines. Quick is good, but try to put more confidence in your lines. It'll make the forms more convincing. I suggest taking one of those references and doing a longer study and compare that to the sketch you did. That might help you get a better handle on what you need to work on.

>>2818302
>>2818317

I regret posting these now... damn. Should have deleted them faster.

>>2818365
>there's people this good >>2818317 in the beginner thread and also absolute beginners
Why is the difference so big? It just isn't fair.

>>2818380
the learning curve in art is cruel as fuck

>>2818331

Thanks. I will try and post them somewhere, I usually don't post online, used to.

>>2818377

Yeah, I tried to do some of the later ones which were in my dump with trying to reduce the chicken scratch, which I think I will try tackling next. Just drawing without the shakey, un-confident lines.

>>2818380

I still consider myself a beginner.

All the artists i admire learned by loomis. I'm understand how his head construction work. But i cant wrap my head in his figure drawing book. In other words i can draw faces like his i cant draw bodies.

Please dont suggest other artist. I want to learn from the same source all artists i admire learned from. Thanks in advance, have a good week.

>>2818389
Draw more figures until you are able to see how it relates to Loomis's book. When in doubt, draw.

>>2818389
there's nothing wrong with taking inspiration/instruction from multiple sources. In fact, that's probably recommended. You want to be your own unique blend of all of your inspirations, not just a copy of someone else's style/process.

>>2817670
I like doing the exercises here. If I go on the draw thread I'll be told to go back to /beg/ lol

>>2817671
Cheers! Basically just finish it off then. Not sure what you mean by not cutting the top of the head off in this context? (it's not there in the ref) but thanks for the feedback mate

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>>2816750
Got told to fuck off for shitposting in /i/ and for making a new thread, so I'm going to post three referred drawings, and all I want is the specifics on what's wrong with them
None of that
>UR SHIT SUX
Give me a reason for it to suck

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>>2818518
The second

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>>2818518
The last one, for fun, still requires critisism
Got told in a previous thread it looks like clipart, didn't understand the statement, the guy was probably referring to the image resolution

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>>2818357
random sketch.png

here's what mine looks like zoomed in

is this normal? my lines look straight to me when I'm not zoomed

>>2818518
>>2818519
>>2818522
Basically >>2818477

>>2818524
Holy cow, this is /beg/ level? Got a blog?

>>2818526
stop trolling

>>2818522
>>2818519
>>2818518
Since I wasn't being specific enough
The artstyle is intentional, so artstyle isn't a problem here
It's supposed to be cartoony
What I'm looking for is critiquing shading and other aspects of the drawing
The anatomy, however cartoonist it may be, may have inherently large mistakes like head size in relation to other areas
Not necessarily shape, just proportions and whatnot

>>2818528
The last pic has slender man arms. Other than that there is not a lot to critique. Try doing a portrait or still life drawing, or something that requires more skill, so it's easier to crack down on what abilities you lack.
Go read the sticky or something.

>>2818371
any critique here?

>>2818550
The line art is fucking atrocious

>>2818553
that's exactly what I asked about. How would you improve it?

>>2818554
http://friendlyhand.deviantart.com/journal/Tips-for-smooth-clean-line-art-359879866

>>2818371
Those toes look normal

>>2818560
jokes?

>>2818563
look at them yourself

>>2818524
help, how do I stop symbol drawing

Hey guys, quick question. I'm practicing digital with gimp and is there a way to make the program to not distinguish my mouse from my tablet? Right now if I select a tool with my mouse then get back to the tablet the program will reselect whatever tool I was using at that time.

>>2818584
>Right now if I select a tool with my mouse
uh why not select the tool with the stylus?

>>2818575
Draw from life.

>>2818575
Read the sticky, answer is there.

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more gestures. got really lazy with the bottom ones. so do i 'understand' gestures now? like can i start doing them from imagination so i can get back to trying to learn figure from imagination?

>>2818641
do villpu style gestures for a bit
should help you.
download his basic figure drawing

>>2818643
ill try those out. i suck at curved lines so "a bit" will probably end up being "super fucking long"

>>2818648
its fine. like anything, do it until you feel you could be improving better on something else.

>>2818609
The book or actually going outside

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quick critic plz, lads

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>>2818655

>>2818641
no, i don't think you should do them from imagination yet. when you observe gestures you aren't only looking for the proportions you're looking for the movement and weight/volumes. your line work lacks energy and you're chicken scratching rather than making complete "thoughts" like other anon said, please look into vilpu style gestures, force: dynamic life drawing for animators is a good book to look into as well

>>2818654
going outside, aka best teacher than Loomis (triggered people incoming)
You can draw in the bus, the metro, a bar, the streets,at home

>>2818655
This >>2818657
And you could learn to draw hair

>>2818524
one day i'll draw stuff like this

i think her left breast is way too big. its tough to tell since its a close up. consider the eye level and that the shoulder line will go down to it and the bottom of the breast line will go up to it.

>>2818658
nice tips. my line sucks cause im in the security car hopefully these are a bit better in terms of line

>>2818649
are these what you mean by vilppu gestures? i looked at the manual but he changes the amount of detail he puts in a lot

i got a little sloppy on some of these, im sorta bored with them today

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>>2818670

what book should I use to learn gesture and figures

I want 1 book, not a dozen
Villup or Loomis, I'll do the exercises in them too. I hate reading and just want to do drawing exercises while reading from 1 book

>>2818671
you arent really doing it right but at the same time i cant point out any lines that are wrong for the format.

my suggestion is to try and gain an understanding of what gesture is before continuing. read peoples writings on it, they all use wanky abstract metaphors like "flow" and "rhythm" but one of them might click it for you. failing that, look up as many different styles of gesture as you can and try and spot similarities between them. remember the purpose is to describe the pose more than to draw the figure.

>>2818298
your entire drawing is lacking volume, - hair, mouth, pls define ears, one eyelid is completely different than the other one, eye whites usually arent the brightest things on the page either and also the eye shiny things are in different spots ,indicating light direction coming in weirdly, stop smudging so much and instead use brush strokes, and learn about value relationships more (is specific shadow supposed to be darker or lighter than other shadow?)

>>2818371
tip for longer strokes: use a longer stroke, theres nothing to it other than practice. practice drawing straight lines/elipses/curve lines by hand over and over until u get it. theres video exercises telling you how to do it somewhere: example exercise put two dots and intersect them and draw over the same line a bunch of times, also hovering ur pen over where u want it to go. just ctrl+ z until u get it right for digital but the basis comes from having control in real life,
also it looks like you don't know perspective because the trees in the back have more definition than the ones in the front, you have lots of annoying tangents that are flattening the image, your characters lack volume and believablity, for example, do you really think the left wizards twig ankles wouldn't break from him standing up? u can have the ankles be thin but it's too thin here. the shoulder on the left wizard is dislocated, the sack pole hes holding breaks where he holds it. for the right wizard u need to draw the guys legs underneath, so u can figure out where the drapery will go. also fix your gestures, they can be pushed much further. but anyway, once you figure out how to not chicken scratch your work will be better and you can think about shapes. ps. composition is also not good and shadows are in the wrong place

>>2818673
shit are you saying i little know nothing of gesture after all this? like you literally look at all of those and have no idea what the pose would actually look like? or im just not doing vilppus gestures right?

>>2818678
im just /beg/ too. but you arent doing it very well i think. work on understanding. i assume you've done the other beginner stuff like 3d and construction?

>>2818679
>im just /beg/ too
wtf.

this is me
>>2818178

>>2818680
>its fucking eric
oh fuck off mate i thought you were a proper poster. take your mental blocks somewhere else please.

>>2818678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y watch prokos videos on gesture, and see how he does it, basically you are drawing too many disconnected lines and the contour rather than it being simpler continuous motions

>>2818681
>take your mental blocks
eat balls im literally following advice and doing all the shit everyone tells me to do in these convos

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>>2818317
here's my 7 min attempt.
wanted to reply and say i really love how you make your sketches sort of blocky, feels like an actual object not just an outline, good for learning.

only critique i can give you is, you are trying to actually stay within the same proportion as the drawing (idk if you're using a ruler or so)
however, you end up making the body a lot thicker yet overall within the same bounds (note 6's, 10's body, especially try measuring both their bellies).
this results in the actual horizontal shapes being squished in, like 6's stubby legs.
to say, you zoom in on the body and then get confused when you drew the legs, whilst trying to maintain bounds.

im also a beginner (note guy who posted animal headhumans earlier) so do correct me if someone thinks im wrong.

good luck on your drawing!

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>>2818682
i already did a bunch of proko style gestures hence the posts above
>>2816987
>>2816988
>>2818641
plus gestures posted in other threads

the other anon said to download vilppus manual and try that style so im assuming its something like these

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>>2818685
(my chest was a bit off i think)

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Rate

>>2818691
draw the arm now

>>2818693
she looks like a horse/20

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>>2818693
fixed scan

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>>2818695
b-b-but anon the bounds of the page throwing me off

>>2818328
blog?

fix jaw

>>2818307
>>2818340
hes using negative space not construction.

>>2818702
sometimes you just have to redraw it with a light table, or a window, or add more pages like a patchwork

>>2818713
oh yeah i guess i could just put a new piece of paper over there.
i won't bother right now though, gonna practice perspective for a while before i get into hands, i seem to be really poor at that

>>2818721
or you could just plan your drawings better

>>2818733
That's not the point

>>2818518
>>2818519
>>2818522
Unappealing and boring.

>>2818702
what should i draw for you anons?

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>>2818763
give me 10 of these in different poses

Do I need to do the viewvinder crap in Keys to Drawing? Does that actually help?

>>2818776

Why didn't Proko draw something like that when he tried to draw on the livestream? it's like he forgot his own material.

>>2818776
drawing some of these right now.
im having very bad problems drawing from below or above in perspective, however not from other angles.
maybe i should buy a mannequin

>>2818701
10/10

>>2818813
do stacked boxes with a wiggly line between to help.

>>2818819
ty, ill practice on that for now

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>>2816758
What do you think guys?

>>2818287
I instantly recognized them from pixelovely. So you got that going

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>>2818837
A better one.

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My scanner isn't very good.

>>2818852
is this a troll ?

>>2818852
A better scanner would not have saved this.

>>2818685

Nice stuff, I saw those earlier, they were awesome.

And thanks. No though, I wasn't using a ruler, just using visuals to draw.

>im also a beginner (note guy who posted animal headhumans earlier) so do correct me if someone thinks im wrong.

I actually thought those animal headhumans were cool, btw.

>good luck on your drawing!

Thanks, you as well!

>>2818837
>>2818847

Reference?

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Hello I'm a newbie I have been drawing for 3 years and I want to improve.
I've never really gotten critique for my work and I want to know were to improve.
This was a recent piece of fan art I made.
I want to know what things I need to improve on please.

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>>2818885
Another newer piece that's mostly original and not fan art. if fan art is not something put up on here I'm not sure.
Either way I would love a critique

ok realtalk. is it actually possible for someone who isnt a pro to do 30 sec gestures without them looking like complete shit? im very reticent to just go full stick figure but every time i do any 3d form at all i just run out of time half way through.

>>2818852
Your drawing isn't very good

>>2818885
>greentext insults

>>2818894

I think I know who you are from earlier, try to draw them as a quick full figure, don't draw them as stick people, that is not the exercise/assignment.

It doesn't matter if they look atrocious. Just grind through those exercises, we were all at your stage at one time or another.

They should look like these anon's works.

>>2816987
>>2816988

Post what you have so far if you are struggling.

>>2818922
>They should look like these anon's works.
are you sure? are you redline anon? im very dubious of that claim.

>>2818925
given the ellipse practice on the side, i'm sure you noticed, but your cylinders have incorrectly drawn ellipses. they shouldn't come to a point.

>>2818885
>>2818889
leave here and never retern such ATROCITIES should not exist die MODS MODS BAN HIM

>>2818961
>they shouldn't come to a point.
What do you mean

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>>2818977
Some of your ellipses have football-like shapes, they should curve just a little more around the major axis.

the top part of this image is what I mean.

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Hey guys!
Im here to seek advice.
Atm I am drawing with pencil on paper until I am not total garbage anymore so I can't really show my shitty stuff.
I am here because I face a major problem all the time I draw something from life.
I mess up proportions/realtions realations all the time.
I usually start out with something that is done alright (shed) but once I switch objects something becomes to large/small or isnt in the exactly right place which screws up the placement of all other things.
The red cirles are there to indicate how things would be moved to another spot and the whole picture (no matter the quality) would look like something very different from what I see/intend.
Is there a way to fix this? Any advice?

Sorry that there is no actual example again
I hope the picture gets my point across
thanks in advance

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>>2816751
Well

>>2818988
>>2818961
Yeah need to practise hitting ellipses when drawing things. Thank you for the feedback my man.

>>2816750

How do I improve my digital drawn line quality and general line quality work?

>>2819053
have you tried practise

>>2818996
try to learn measuring and proportion. I think some of the books in the sticky should cover that.

>>2819015
You scrunched up the facial proportions a little bit. the glasses are a bit too small, along with the ears, and the mouth is a bit too high. the forehead is made a little too large and flat due to less shading on the brow and sides of the head. the eyes are also unshaded. It's not a bad start, but you might want to work a bit more on it. what kind of pencil are you using for those shadows? they seem like they should be a little darker.

>>2818885
>>2818889
These are fucking grotesque.

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Hi, first time posting here. I started practicing drawing some months ago without putting any real effort, but only recently managed to stick to a good schedule (i'm currently doing 4 hours a day almost everyday).
About half an hour of gestures and then Keys to drawing, Proko and anatomy books from your sticky.
I'd like some advice on how to be more decisive with my lines: most of my stuff looks like this, very dirty and not really line-economic. I'm struggling to be concise AND precise, that's why i pass on the same line way too many times. What's your secret /ic/?
This one i did randomly trying to go without references, i'd also like some anatomy/posing critiques.

>>2818879
This here >>2816758

>>2819073
Also, how do you experts deal with foreshortening?I'm really having a hard time finding a technique to make mine, everything seems to work fine when copying but then i struggle to apply it

>>2819082
all but a few of us are very far from being experts.
i dont think you really need a "technique" to foreshorten. just draw things smaller or larger. exaggerate it at the beginning until you get it.

also your style is shit.

>>2819089
hehe yeah, went a bit too much for the cutesy one with her. I just find it a bit more intuitive to go full tumblr, although i don't really like it that much either.