/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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alright im honestly dumping veronica for the next like year lmao

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I felt as if I had something okayish going for me when I started on this.

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>>2819136
--and then I finished it.

FML

Getting the right lines on the ball and plane is really tough at the moment. I'll have to do it more, but I also need to know what I'm doing wrong so I don't keep making the same mistake.

>>2819120
put her up for torrent lad. the rest of it too if you have it.

I like drawing for the rewarding feeling I get when I've done something decently, at least for a moment for I realize it's horribly wrong. Other than that, I find drawing frustrating since I know that only happens with great luck. Anon said my drawings are shy and forced, and he's right. If I wasn't doing this, trying to learn how to draw, I'd just be playing video games or browsing the internet or something else unproductive. So it's not like my time wouldn't be wasted anyway. I don't know what I'm trying to say, I just wanted to vent. Sorry for the blog. And I know, ngmi.

So what is some good program to learn anatomy? I know about Loomis and all, but starting figure drawing all I see are pictures with proportions. What should I do, copy them until I somewhat memorize the proportions or just use it as general guidelines whenever I draw?

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From the other thread.

>>2816758

>>2818837

>>2818847

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>>2819159

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>>2819136
>>2819137

Reference?

Also, that left cheek could be reduced a bit. The left eye should not be that low, bring it up a smidgen.

>>2819159
>That head
AAAYYYY

>>2819137
Still salvageable dude. Just shave a bit off of the cheek on the left. I think it would be better to just try a (relatively) straight line.

>>2819160
T H I C C
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>>2819139
cgpeers

>>2819180
private trackers are a pain.

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>>2819161
Got the Fun With A Pencil Loomis book as a Christmas present this year and just got to this page. The drawing I uploaded was my attempt at the lefthand image.

I realize what I did wrong, though the biggest issue is that I messed up in the initial structure building parts. I finished with a pen so I can't really fix my mistake, but I'll be trying once again when I get to the library and get the necessary space to draw in.

Thanks for the feedback.
>>2819164
Thanks! Straight lines are easier for sure, should probably try a few from photo reference like that so I get my bearings.

>>2819116
is this 3/4 view?

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>>2819116
Did no justice whatsoever to this handsome fella

>>2819149
Stop crying about it and use that energy in your drawings. Try studying different aspects of drawing every day.Shading one day, gestures another, anatomy the next etc. Its a lot funer and youll see more improvement.

>>2819202
What would your reasoning be for it to not be 3/4?

>>2819226
Just making sure anon

>>2819249
No, I want to hear your reasoning behind your doubt. I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything. Being analytical and able to understand why things are the way they are is critical in art.

>>2819223
Asking for [harsh] critiques, of course

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2nd try feels like my best work for this line practice i did today. Any recommendations on how to get better?

>>2819259
I thought it was closer to full view than 3/4. I suppose I've seen "a lot" of extreme three quarter views... that's why I'm here after all

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>practicing on quickposes
>shit like this comes up

How do I acquire the will to go on

This is TOO INTENSE

>>2819291
Simplify things as much as you can without losing too much form. Don't be intimidated because it's a complex pose. A human body is still a human body.

>>2819285

Damn good, were these timed?

>>2819307
No. I'm going slow to understand the process better. Trying to figure out the brush sizes to use. The one I labeled 2nd i took a good amount of time for.

>>2819285
stop tracing

>>2819285

>>2819337

Reference?

>>2819337
>>2819347
It's not tracing. I'm using prokos reference images

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r8

>>2819390
sticky, 3d forms, planes of the face, loomis, sticky, draw what you see, hair/facial hair is not 2d, sticky, etc.

also decide whether you're doing lineart or values when you're doing a study, and if you're doing lineart look up "lost and found lines".

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How do i learn to draw fingers?

>>2819417
you don't

>>2819223
Overestimated the width of the bridge of the nose by a colossal amount. You have more bridge than side in your drawing by a huge margin, when it's the other way around in the reference (and for most people you'll see about even amounts side-bridge-side even if you're facing dead on, let alone at an angle).

Eyes need more study of the form and they're too round. His left/our right eye is touching the nose from our point of view but you have it touching the side of the face. His right/our left eye isn't tilted to match the line across his face, is too round, and like I said - study the form of eyes in general. It's like two prisms kind of blanketed around a sphere, and then all of that is set inside the eye socket under the brow.

Angles and proportions on the nostrils are all fucked up, study the form of the underside of the nose.

Chin's too small, and you overcompensated on the outline of his left/our right cheek.

Lips are off-angle slightly.

His neck is too thin, in ref it ends mid-chin but you have it all the way to his right/our left of the chin.

More 3d form study.

>>2819417
by drawing fingers

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>>2819115
not really pleased with this one. I had a lot of trouble drawing the heads and I kept tilting my head to get a better look at the face, and that doesn't seem like something I should be doing.

>>2819424
Thank you for your time anon!

By "more 3D form study" do you mean the basic shapes in this case?

>>2819443
More specifically, how they apply to the face. What the basic 3d shapes of the face look like without the detailed stuff like the shape of the nostrils, the creases in the skin, etc.

>>2819477
he got a lot of shit on his mind

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>>2819417
Keep drawing them,try to understand why they are like that (anatomy etc.) and (You) should analyse reference and learn from it I guess.

>>2819513
The shrimp reference one is better to be honest.

>>2819443
here it comes...

>>2819521
Now that's edgy

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>>2819160
Challenged myself to do this in an hour and thirty.

>>2819517
Not sure of what in particular, but apparently nothing came

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>>2819548
Some retarded "guide" that someone made that apparently tells people how to think in 3D. The problem with it is that it doesn't explain shit (and to top it off some /beg/inner made it so it's not a mystery as to why it's garbage)

What's even worse is shitters will still follow it because they'll follow any tutorial and will only end up hurting their progress

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>>2819525
You should use all the tools you're given if you decide to go digital, otherwise it makes no sense to do so.

>>2819571
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks anon.

>>2819390
this would have been good if you were drawing someon else

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Practicing rendering basic forms, how am I doing?

>>2819628
awful, how about you do more than microsoft clip art looking spheres? step out of your comfort zone into a cube or cone you lazy fuck

>>2819636
Sometimes I think /ic/ watches too many movies about harsh teachers.

>>2819640
I enjoyed whiplash.

>>2819628
It seems that /beg/ is not too knowledgeable about edge control. Soft(er) in shadow, hard(er) in light (and moreso in direct light). Some of the cast shadow does not follow the light direction.

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Critique pls :)

>>2819640
>xdd he's trying to be like the movies
I think you watch too many movies you retard. Your lazy renderings are trash, fuck off

>>2819647
Reference? The eyes and lips are alright, but the jaw is huge.

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Drew a cartoony Asian woman's face.

>>2819660
Loomis?

>>2819636
I was getting to those, I practice all the basic forms in pencil frequently, but it's trickier for me in digital.

>microsoft clip art

kek

>>2819646
Thank you, but I don't understand how to use that information yet. I get what you're saying like for example male portraits are in harsher light to have harder edges while female portraits are usually in soft light for softness, right? But I don't know how to control edges.

>>2819650
That wasn't me, you stupid gay nigger. Thank you for the tips though, I'll keep going at it.

>>2819664
No, Wu.

>>2819677
I mean the construction of the head, not the tranny developer or whatever.

>>2819417
How do you fail at that
the reference is your fucking hand

>>2819285
Fucken nice line-art m8

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>>2819653
Thnx for pointing it out :) here's the ref

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>>2819670
The ideas do not apply to just portraits. To anything.

>>2819702
>>2819670
Fuck it, you shouldn't be trying to render from imagination if you can't do it from reference yet. Just try doing more still lives at this point.

>>2819701
alright, your original drawing doesn't really illustrate that it's up from a higher angle, it's all sorts of distorted. try to focus on getting things properly proportioned and aligned. try comparing the two side by side.

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>>2819647
>>2819701
You don't know how to measure a drawing, don't you?

>>2819706
What kind of dumb ass measurements are those

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wtf does 'use the h.l. as a hinge and double down' mean

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>>2819709
The ones that let you draw.
If you had gone trough at least one of the firsts books in the sticky you would know that

>>2819712
Thinking about it, I remember this was in KtD, but I just eye it and don't lay down my plumb lines.

>>2819712
>>2819715
The trick is basically finding points that Align and making one of those "link the dots" pics

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>>2819114
R8 this pic outta ten

>>2819722
The rendering of the hair is fucking awful
the positions feel stiff
too blurry
4/10- No anatomy, perspective or dynamism applied.
Uninteresting to look at
the selection of colors is meh and the little shading there is, is bad.

>>2819702
>>2819703
Thank you so much, anon, I appreciate your help a lot. Will practice this and look out for edges from now on.

>>2819706
Holy cow thanks dude!!!!!!!! This is gonna change how I draw forever thanks !!!!!! but not in a gay way

>try to draw slow and clean
>get told its shy and forced looking
>try to draw fast and loose
>get told its too shit looking

I want to practice drawing something, but I'm afraid it won't help me improve, or I'll pick up bad habits and get worse. Different anons tell me different things. How do I figure out who to listen to?

>>2819726
To be fair, I only started drawing as more than a hobby a few months ago, and bought a drawing tablet in December
I've been getting used to it, as well as the brushes in certain applications
As for anatomy, all my other friends who draw (literally just one) has been badgering me to learn anatomy at every opportunity, so I have
Could you be a little more clear on what you mean by dynamics though?

>>2819744
You don't listen to any of them, you listen to yourself. If you're this gullible, it's no wonder you're afraid. Drawing is simple, don't over think. When in doubt, draw.

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Stravinsky you ugly bastard

>>2819702
>>2819703
>>2819730
I've got a question, am I supposed to see the edges or am I supposed to organize them the way you showed me? Like, do I try to mimic the edges exactly off of a study, or is the way the edges are organized a rule that I'm supposed to follow even if I'm pretty blind to the edges? Thank you in advance

>>2819756
To reword it better: should I try to recognize edge types and organize them the way you showed me, or should I be trying to just organize them that way even if I can't see them?

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>>2817761
>>2818030
MORE FUR !!!one
Do you like it?

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>>2819748

Not expecting critique, only giving context.
I'm reading Keys.
I ruler in margins based on the lowest,highest,leftes,rightest points. Then I start somewhere and begin the outline using my eyes. If I make a mistake I move further ahead and try to land something else correctly and then work my way back to the original error and usually draw over it. Is this a valid approach? Am I being too careless about mistakes? I feel a lot less drained this way and I can start drawing faster and draw more.

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>>2819782

>>2819782
Don't worry about that. If you feel it works for you then go for it. Going through that book you'll probably discover better and faster ways of doing it. Don't worry too much and get stuck m8. as long as you are not tracing and feeling like is a good drawing, then you are good to go.

>>2819525
>>2819571
see >>2819706
>>2819712
>>2819721

>tfw these threads go up so fast they're daily at this point

>>2819824
I guess a new year brings a lot of /beg/inners who want to git gud.

>>2819706
>>2819712
This is something you aim to do in your head, right? As opposed to endless ruler measurements and marginal notches and notes.

>>2819840
yeah.
I don't think I know a single person that uses ruler while drawing, other than for doing lines, but no measurements.

>>2819843
what about using a ruler for laying down evenly spaced lines for measuring that I'd do with my pencil and thumb?

>>2819846
well, if it works for you.

>>2819850
great, that puts me in a zone where I feel really comfy

>>2819824
op sez: FUCK all of u in this thread

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>tfw you trying to learn how to draw by doing keys
>get chapter 3
>already feel like dying

>>2819983
It's a great feeling right? Really makes you feel alive.

>>2819985
it just motivates me more to get it done so i can avoid giving up and feeling even worse. but god damn the struggle hurts.

>>2819995
just give up

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>>2819116
Going through Right Side, KtD next. Just trying to practice more, also if anyone has tips for hair would be much appreciated

>>2819995
Just make sure not to take too much pain, it makes you lose sanity. Take breaks from time to time.

>>2820002
>taking breaks
NGMI

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this is like the cleanest gesture ive vever drawn

>>2820062
Reads so well.

>>2820062
now can you finish it?

>>2820062
>1 gesture
Congratulations

>>2820114
after thousands of shitty gestures let me have my single fleeting momenyt

>>2820121
>thousands to get to this point
Shit, I haven't even done five hundred yet.

>>2820121
it's over now

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Sorry for not ridimensioning it but im on phone

>>2820191
It's a doodle you did on the back of your homework. I don't know what critique you're looking for.

What should I post to get critique on the most things? what would be the subject that shows the most skill?

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>>2819116

fuk

>>2820191

You can change the size by taking a photo and then screenshotting the photo.

>>2820191
>>2820233
furthermore, you can email the screenshot to yourself and download the pic, open it in photoview program, zoom out so its really small, then take a pic of the pic on your monitor and there ya go pic is already on your phone in the proper size ready to be posted on 4chan.

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Comments on composition

>>2820229
your construction is completely fucked. that side oval isnt just for finding the browline. the oval is supposed to measure 2/3 of the height of the circle and the 'inner' side of the circle is supposed to come the where the temple/eyebrow curves back to represent how far the head is turned horizontally. the lines of the top and bottoms of the oval show the hairline and bottom of nose from there you should have two equal parts that you can measure another line below the nose line that give you your chin line

go watch prokos videos about drawing heads

>>2819722
Change your face shapes, the females can't be just a big V.

>>2820268
For some reason, I see so many penises in this. Rorschach would probably have an opinion on me.

>>2820316
read op

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Why does this look so weird? I can't put my finger on how the proportions are off.

>>2820328
It's a bit difficult to tell. Especially without a reference. From my beginners eye it feels like the left leg looks a little shorter than it should be, though that may be an illusion because a knee is bending.

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>>2820340
The left leg is still lacking a foot, but yes, even with that in mind you might still be onto something, actually.

>>2820328
Perspective lines are going wrong way.
Also torso is misplaced.

>>2820229
It's sad looking through these beginner threads, sites like deviantart, and even forums where despite all the hard work people put in( hell even when they study their fundamentals) they make very little progress over the years. Yes the more you draw the better you will get, yes studying Loomis will help you make gains but the fact of the matter is if you aren't you will NEVER reach a professional level. You think most professional artists studied loomis for decades before they "git gud" ? No, it only takes a few years. My point is simple, if you been practicing for more than 3 years and you're still shit, then chances are you'll be shit forever, quit wasting your time.

>>2820356
how the fuck do you know he's even been here for three years?

>>2820363
Don't take the bait, yo

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>>2820363

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i can do gestures if i want to

>>2820368

Yes, but can you keep a woman satisfied?

>>2820370
47 min

>>2820368
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLwGfoybuPw

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>>2820375
damn that bird is way cooler than my bird

>>2820378
did you colourpick? if not, those colours are pretty good.

>>2820380
i did not. pretty surprising considering how shit i am i at everything else. i think it spent like hours on it though

>>2820382
i think it might be best to leave in your construction lines next time. or put them in a separate image. so people can see what you did.

>>2820383
i lost the .psd for that by being an idiot. but i usually end up deleting them because 2 extra layers makes my brain hurt and confused trying to find all the layers. i really should start though.

>grinding gesture
>shit at gesture
CANT WAKE UP

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This is my first digital drawing that isn't a sprite. How is it?

>>2820393
Apply them to your imaginative artwork

>>2820396
i dont do that yet. i only train things and practise

>>2820395
It's nothing special. Colors may be a bit saturated, the pose is stiff. Seems like the character design could work out as something cool, but as it is it's pretty boring and unimpressive.

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>>2819116
It doesn't look like him at all for some reason. I need to measure more carefully next time.

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>>2819116
crit please

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>>2819137
Couple of new attempts. I do feel I'm getting more of a sense for "structure" but I really need to wrap my head around drawing specific structures.

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Alright I tried drawing some gestures, they're kinda hit-and-miss.
Can I get some feedback please?

1/3

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2/3

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3/3

>>2819159
Huuuum...guys, would anyone here give me some feedback?

>>2820455
When I get home, I'll post a better version!

>>2820455
why does no-one show their construction? show it next time.

its not great but there is nothing too wrong with it. do 100 more.

I'm doing keys to drawing. And while I can at least draw what I see, I find fucking impossible to decently draw without looking at my paper.

>>2820437
Look at the slant of the right of his face in the photo and on your drawing. Start with a well-constructed face based on the angles of the reference, then proceed. You tried to draw the features like in the reference without giving it the right perspective.
Keep it up!

>>2820423
Your head is sort of swimming. Amateur myself, but I would recommend practicing construction, and even construction of basic forms in perspective and their light/shadows (cube, sphere, cylinder, cone) and doing them until you can solidly place them based on a given light source angle.

>>2820466
That hallway is pretty nice desu.

>>2820467
yeah i just notice it when compare side by side. thanks anon.

>>2820473
Thank you, my man. I feel the door looks a bit odd, most likely because I skipped scaling it and just guessed its size.

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>>2819116
harsh crit please

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>>2820525
Forgot to resize

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>>2819119
last draw for today, critique please.

>>2820466

What are you using to study with?

>>2820561
I am working through Eric Olson's perspective series.

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>>2820341
>>2820328
Is this better? I can't even tell if I'm drawing a human anymore.

>>2820466
I've been seeing this for a while. What's your end goal? Do you apply any of what you learn? Like painting or drawing using that knowledge?

I've seen people who practice like you for years and when it comes to actually applying it to real work they suck. I hope you're not one of them.

>>2820580
It's not as bad as you think, you're just not used to drawing from life
Keep grinding out figure studies and skim over some skeleton studies

>>2819998
Mods ban this tardo

>>2820001
The shadow on the neck looks weird to me

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The first (and last) digital painting I made something like a year ago

>>2820380
what does colorpicking mean and why is it bad?

>>2820604
>>2820604
Animation is my end goal.

What do you mean with applying it? These drawings where made from life, using the methods I have learned from the lessons.

I have also posted drawings from imagination and photos, where I use the things Olson has taught me.

>>2820642
Are you proud of it? Why have you not made anything since then? Are you afraid that the next thing you make will not be better than that? If so, don't be. You're going to make shit, but as long as you keep making HONEST attempts at making good stuff some of it is going to turn out good as well. Best time to start getting better is right now.

>>2820643
It's when you use a tool in Photoshop or other painting programs to easily detect the colour of the reference. It's bad because this way you take the easy way instead of practicing your colour vision

How do street sketchers draw portraits in 10-15 minutes? Is it just grinding till you get gud? Or are there specific techniques for speed drawing portraits?

>>2820650
It may just be grinding. Quickposes has a face feature where you can set yourself to draw a new face every few minutes.

>>2820648
>Are you afraid that the next thing you make will not be better than that?
yes
I also prefer using pencil and paper only until I'm good with traditional drawing, but I don't draw very often. It changed since a few days and I hope I'll continue to draw at least a few hours per day and get better

>>2820643
Using color picker tool in photoshop to pick colors from the reference image.

It's pretty much just like tracing. You don't think you just copy.

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>>2820449
It's the same problem as >>2820368. You're not seeing direction curves in a pose. You need to quite literally "feel" it. This however (in my experience) comes with mileage. I went through whole sketchbooks of "wrong" gestures until something clicked. What may also help you is to gather what multiple teachers express about gesture and try to find common ground and incorporate it when you try to draw them next time.

Do I need to learn anatomy and the mannequin thing before jumping into gesture?

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crit?

>>2820772
that rendering is pretty bad m8

>>2820773
ok but do you have any advice on to get better other than grind?

>>2820775
Watch out for soft,firm and sharp edges. Look for ctrlpaint rendering video on youtube.

>>2820775
read the sticky
watch ctrl paint
do simple shapes

>>2820775
how about choose better values and blend properly you lazy fuck?

would male gestures generally have a different "flow" to female gestures?

>>2820781
I'm blurring my eyes and they seem good (even in the thumbnail), what's wrong with his values?

>>2820783
>even in the thumbnail
The thumbnail always looks better because you see less details so your mind fills in the gaps, what does the "even" mean here retard? If the values were good the thing wouldn't look like a muddy mess. Look at the bottom right, that is barely coherent. Looks like he worked from the top down and just thought "fuck it, I want to post it now, this looks close enough".

>>2820792
I guess I'm mushing the quality of value with the quality of the rendering. Thanks for clearing that up!

>>2820782

No, because men are basically women without tits.

Been reading the sticky. Do you lads think it would be a good idea to do both Keys and Right Side?

Would this ground fundamentals better?

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>>2813377

Fixed here and there stuff.

Is it better?

Also hair. Help me.

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>>2814256
Post-Drawing on the Right Side practice. Not gonna scale up from the reference in the future, it takes way too much time for me. Would people advise doing Keys as well, like these anons? >>2820001 >>2820833

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study

>>2819114
Hello /beg/

I'm wanting to draw exclusively digitally, but I'm having a lot of trouble using a tablet. The lines just won't come out where I want them to, and I'm having to resort to "Chicken scratching". I've seen a lot of digital art with smooth, clean lines that almost looks like it's drawn by a machine. How do I achieve this with a tablet? Is it something you pickup just with repetition, so should I draw and just not worry about it?

>>2820925
trace

>>2820899
Shit i'm in the same book as you. Just about to get to The Gestalt chapter. Which I assume is the human head chapter.

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Beginner and first time posting on this board. Looking for tips.

>>2820937
>this good
>beginner

>>2820928

I just mean solid lines, like on this fucked up hand here >>2819417 Ignoring the anatomy, see how nice those lines are? How do I into this

>>2819417
Bad anatomy, good lines.

Keep at it.

>>2820925
Don't worry about it, it's a meme. As you get better and more confident, it goes away by itself.

>>2820938
Well not exactly beginner. I used to draw a lot in primary school and now about 12 years later I went back into it (I tried every couple of years but would always end up drawing like one pic and giving up). Now I came back to doing for about a month. First it was also about 2-3 drawings a week but I motivated myself by drawing my own versions of anime/cartoon game girls which made me ending up with drawings of about 20 characters in a few days.

>>2820937
The issue here is that you obviously have ideas, but the execution is not there. Your drawings are flat, there's no anatomy knowledge and most of all you're symbol drawing. The next step from here (if you're genuinely serious about getting better) is to read the sticky.

>>2820959
I agree with this anon. If you read the sticky and practice fundamentals, you'll get a lot better.

>>2820960
This, if you need any more help, just ask. There's now a difference if you want to draw from life or to draw from imagination, so we'll tell you which resources you need for which.

>>2820930
Good choice anon, it took me to what I posted from practically nothing in a few months. My best was stick figures and very crude trees; I'm mostly interested in mathematics and always have been.

That chapter is the last one, it contains a few exercises ending with a self-portrait which came out nicely for me. For one of them you have to copy a really dark shadowed portrait...don't spend too much time on it, I didn't have a decent eraser or any toned paper and it came out terrible, but it's no big deal. She advises you to do all this preparation for her exercises, but it's just annoying and you should do them with paper and pencil. And don't read the rambling if you're there to learn; I read most of it because I found it interesting and enjoy her writing style, but if you want to draw better you should just draw.

>>2820965
I have the 4ED of her book, so I'm assuming the last 2 chapters are a 'nice fucking job you did it' after this one.

Anyhow, last night I stayed up until 3 am just reading the measurements on the head and looking at myself in the mirror. I'm just about to do the warm up drawing with the sideways head here in a little bit then the sideways profile drawing. I'm kinda excited.

But I never understood why she gets so much flack. She has psuedo science yes, but her book is dead on with it's teachings. Maybe a project of /ic/s this year should be to trim it up so theres no BS in it.

Doing steve huston head gesture. 30 seconds. I was flustered at first but got a little bit comfortable towards the end. Good way to loose up. Going to do a few more pages before work.

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>>2820963
It's hard for me to say. I'd want to draw from imagination, because I don't want to aim for realism (I like animation, comic book etc.) but I feel like when I draw I don't really have much style which is kind of required for that (besides the eyes maybe). On the other hand I have no idea how to really "find one".

Another thing is that I often have this odd problem that I can't replicate my own drawings. As I mentioned before there's a specific way I like to draw eyes. All the pic related girls where have to have the same type but while it worked with the ones on the top somehow I completely got it off with the ones on the bottom even though I would correct them several times.

>>2817987
>>2819433
anon who made these study here, I'd really like some feedback/criticism on these.

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>>2820995
resized

>>2820996
It's good that you're not just trying to copypaste generic anime style, finding a style usually involves learning fundamentals and realism, and them exaggerating or downplaying aspects of the art, so it's important to become knowledgeable in the basics. you say you like to draw eyes a certain way, and I used to do the same thing, but it's best to stop that and try to learn how the eye is actually drawn.

If you have trouble copying your own drawings and want to learn how to do drawing from imagination, you definitely need to learn construction. Andrew Loomis's "Fun With a Pencil" is a great start for that, but i'd suggest you also do Keys to Drawing and Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. You seem to be symbol drawing a whole fucking bunch, and that's a habit you gotta break.

The Picasso Stravinsky exercise in Right Side of the Brain is entirely replicating another drawing, so that will help you out.

And remember, even if you're drawing from imagination, it's always good to draw from real life.

>>2820981
I used that one too. The actual final chapter is a 5-page pat on the back, yes, but the one before it is just straight-up idealistic babble. I got by reading over her words in the drawing chapters by interpreting "right side" as "the part of the brain responsible for breaking down problems into components" (and not the physical right side), but that chapter was just too ridiculous to dedicate my time to.

She mentions some of the example drawings being from her students who took a week-long course with her; I feel like that's the better way to absorb her teachings. A week of straight work is about as long as it should take if you only did the ~20 exercises that are provided. Good luck anon, you're almost there!

>>2821012
I think the most impressive thing about that book is how it only took a 5-day workshop to teach someone all the basics to look out for. /ic/ takes like a few months to teach someone that. The improvement from the first day and the last day are like worlds apart, a beginner here would never reach that within a week.

>>2821008
Thanks a lot, do you suggest I go with the sticky or jump staight into the books you mentioned?

Also, could you point out some specifics on this:
>You seem to be symbol drawing a whole fucking bunch
Obviously not everywhere but just a few ones on specific drawings.

>>2820867

Keep at it and you'll make it.

I am not good at rendering myself, though I know it is incomplete, it still looks damn good so far.

>>2821018
I'd read some of the sticky first, I think it recommends those toward the start anyway.

as far as symbol drawing goes, if you don't know what it is, it's drawing what you think you see instead of the actual forms. the sticky goes more into detail on it, so my description might be shit.

if you look at all your eyes, noses, and lips, they're all drawn nearly the same way. sometimes there's a small amount of variance, such as different eyelashes or pupils, but if you look at the second drawing you posted, all of their faces are drawn head-on, they have spheres for breasts, and very similar heads.

The way you draw suggests you copied and used reference from other drawings, rather than studied reality and then stylized.

hope this shines some light on the issue, I'm not the best at explaining things.

>>2820531
Your top lip is bigger than the bottom
Need to show more shadow contrast for realism
Left eyebrow isn't a straight line, it's a straight line then it breaks at a slight angle
Right eye should be lower
The bottom of the nose is too narrow
He has a heavier jawline in the photo

Overall- construction & shading

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Decided to do a redraw of the thing I posted yesterday but this time using the advice I got
Critique pls again :)

>>2820904
Damn son where'd u learn this

The cast shadow of the Apple seems a little off to me though btw

When trying to copy an image, is it better to have it appear large on my 60" TV or should it be the size I want to draw it on my 10" tablet screen?

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hello i just bought a tablet and drew this thing on sai and kinda tried coloring it

wanted to ask for resources on digital painting

>>2821073
CTRL+PAINT

>>2821074
Ok ty

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Here are more attempts from me at gesture drawing.

Critic? Am I doing it right?

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>>2819116
I feel like I've done the worst out of everyone else so far, but once I got into it I had fun, so I don't think I was wasting my time. That's a step up from feeling frustrated and depressed at least.

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some concepty stuff if Off was reimagined

>>2821094

How long are these taking you on average?

>>2821128
Why are you in this thread?
How do I git gud?
How long have you been drawing?

>>2821129
Each? Like a minute.

Why?

>>2821131
im the op dude im never fucking leaving this retard thread

idk ask /draw/

since april of last year

>>2821135
You only started drawing less than a year ago? Do you mean that's when you started "for real", and you did it plenty beforehand, or did you actually START then?
What the tits is /draw/?
You're the OP? Thanks for making these threads.

>>2821141
yeah the only things i ever drew before then was stupid doodles on the back of homework a couple times; i feel extremely lucky to have started taking drawing serious and finding /ic/ at the same time as to set myself on "the right path"

/draw/ is the drawthread (aka where the gud go)

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>>2819116

I tried.

>>2821148

How old are you?

>>2821167
i'm 20

>>2821173
Give me your blog so I can train hard and beat you sen~pai.

>>2821173
Also thanks for spoiling one of the endings

>>2821164
dont stop with the reference

go on

draw the rest of the body!

>>2821148
As someone who is currently and literally in the EXACT position you were in (only ever drew a few stupid doodles on homework, just turned 19, just found /ic/ and want to take drawing seriously), do you have any advice?
Because that's some insane progress you posted. How you went from zero to THAT in under a year is crazy- I didn't even know that was possible.
How much do you draw?
How do you know what to learn and when?
When did you move to digital?
How early did you start working on anatomy?
When did you start working on fake things instead of just still lifes?

If this is annoying, I'll piss off. And yeah, I know about the sticky- I'm just asking you since, holy fuck, that's some killer progress. I would stab a man to death to be able to draw like that by the end of 2017.

>>2821180

I don't follow?

So just draw the entire body from imagination (what I know anatomically so far)

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>when you comeback a few hours later and hide the line layer

>>2821191
hide the entire thing. in fact never draw again

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>>2821182
I'm flattered that you find me as an inspiration but really I'm just doing what I need to do (and usually what /ic/ will tell you). Don't ever catch yourself slacking and get out of your comfort zone on a regular basis.

I draw every day. Like I personally think this is non-negotiable if you wanna see results at a good pace.
You need to "learn" everything but obviously people gravitate towards what their "specialty" is. in my case I preferred to do more design and figure based things.
I only got a tablet 5 or 6 months ago (which is absolutely going against everything /ic/ says about beginners and digital art)
I started working on "fake things" (lmao) instead of only studies when I realized I forgot why I started drawing in the first place - to create. So I've been doing a lot of stuff from imagination recently to apply what I've learned and it's very fulfilling to do what you couldn't do many months ago. Although I'm nowhere near where I want to be the progress is motivating.

As long as you're honest with yourself about what you need to do you will make it.

>wonder if I've improved at all in the two weeks I've been practicing
>try to redraw a picture I did at the beginning

Someone please kill me. I'm just as, if not more shitty than at that time. Goddammit.

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>>2821191

Jesus Christ I am laughing so hard.

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>>2821197
forgot pic

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>>2821200
ref

>>2821201

Fuck, she''s got a freaky fuckin' head.

>>2821200
2 weeks won't be enough unless you're doing some pretty focused practice. You should either get keys to drawing like the sticky tells you, or you should get a copy of charles bargue drawing course and start doing some bargue plates. Do the first if you're in this for fun, do he second if you really want to hate everything you make. The problem with you're drawings is that you aren't seeing shapes or proportions, you're just finding contours and following them. Copying even the construct of a bargue plate will help you immensely in terms of seeing proportion and shapes

>>2821196
Thank you so so much for the answers thus far. I really hope I'm gonna make it. If you've got the chance, I've some more questions, if not, I totally understand:

How do you not over-analyze everything? Maybe that's a silly question, but it just seems like there is so much to learn, where do you even start- or, how do you know what you'll practice that day, y'know? It's not like maths where you learn addition, then subtraction, and so on and so forth.
How much everyday do you draw?
Do you have any specific book/tutorial/et cetera recommendations? I downloaded a digital class, and picked up a couple books, but perhaps I've gotten the wrong things.
So sometimes it's okay to not listen to /ic/, like you did with the tablet? What's wrong with getting a tablet 6 months into drawing? What kind of tablet did you get?
So you started on fictional stuff pretty recently then- do you still work off references and that?

Thanks again. Your progress is incredibly inspiring, even if my brain does tell me you were probably never as bad as I currently am.

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>>2821209
You really just need to start. Remind yourself that getting anywhere is literally better than getting nowhere and that planning your study time (for too long) can be a waste. Just do it.
I usually wake up at 9-10, play a game of Battlefield, eat, and from 1 to 6 is an art-focused time. Break for dinner and another game of Battlefield then from 8 to 1 AM is back to art. from 1-3 is dumb youtube shit or useless video game

It doesn't matter. Different books work for different people. The only thing I "recommend" is "Force" by Michael Mattesi because it helped my breakthrough in gesture lol. also cgpeers is your friend

/ic/ is a good place to go but is not always right. (this holds true especially in this fucking thread) You need to analyze things at an honest angle and make your own informed decision instead of blindly following what everyone says. This I think is the most invested way to get better. The reason us beginners shouldn't use tablets is just that a pencil/paper will give you the base dexterity and motor skills (that will be harder to develop on a tablet) needed that will transfer onto digital. my tablet is the wacom intuos art some shitty small $90 thing

When you draw from imagination, I always use references. Whether it be for a certain pose/orientation of limbs or vehicles or creatures or whatever the fuck. Once you draw a certain subject enough you can incorporate it into your visual library well enough that you don't need to use a ref anymore!

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>>2821180


I am the OP of this >>2821164

Okay, here is it, I guess. Not very good. Drew it off the top of my head.

>>2821184

I did it from imagination.

>>2821224
Thanks for being a Helpful Howard. Thanks for the inspiration, the answers, the book recommendations, and all the rest. I have one final question if you've got the time, but you've already helped me so much, I get it if you don't wanna:

How long did it take you to get into that rhythm, that work ethic? That's literally ten hours of drawing a day. How do you do it? And how do you not just piss away your time with internet garbage? You're a goddamn worker bee to be able to self-motivate like that. How did you develop that kind of tenacity?

Thanks again.

>>2821247
I've only been doing that groove since I got a tablet. And I will admit the time spent on art fluctuates, so instead of 10 hours it's like 6-7. It's not gonna be the answer you're looking for but since I'm neet i literally have nothing else to do with my time, and having that combined with seeing great artists like Ian Mcque or Cedric Peyravernay it was in an instant that I knew I needed to put time in to get good. Once you start getting into a routine it feels weird to not do it. I guess that's how I've been able to draw every day for almost a year.

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>>2821253

Not that anon who's been replying, but if I may ask... are you a neet from family wealth or gubber'ment munnies.

I work almost full time and I can only get a fraction of the time that you put in usually.

Not trying to bash you or anything, just genuinely interested.

>>2821253
And you got a tablet, what, 6 months in?

>>2821253
Well I suppose if you're doing that much, I don't have any excuse either, since I'm taking the semester off to sort myself out. It's late as all hell, but I hope this drive lasts when I wake up.

Thank you, really. Wish me luck. 2017 here we go.

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>>2819119
>tfw fat

>>2821255
Living with parents. Once I get kicked out is probably when I hit the streets and be known as the homeless guy who draws in his sketchbook all day.

It sucks knowing I spent a lot of my neet time not art-focused. I could have been so much better than I am now but that only reminds me to not procrastinate anymore.

>>2821268
like 4-5, i honestly forgot. i'd check the properties of my oldest files but i deleted some of my first couple tablet drawings

>>2821253
>tfw work part time
>tfw go to school full time
I know know this is not a blog, but I hate being an adult. I want to draw all day but I have responsibility.

>>2821277
Don't feel bad dude I've spent so much time on playing video games it's not even funny I play on Steam and I can see all the hours I pissed away playing stupid games.

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>>2821224

Guys guys guy ...
Ok... if you want to make it ...

STOP THE VIDYAs

specially the online games guys... fine if you limit yourself to an hour of video games a day. But seriously don't do more than an hour and a half.

Online gaming is addictive and useless. Do something better than that for your own good. Become a better person...
Instead of wasting playing online games that doesn't get you anything at the end...

I made a radical change in my life in 2017 and it was to quit online gaming. And to this day it's one of the best decisions I've made in my life. I draw much more and I am much more productive with day to day life .

Rock on guys... Remember. Do something useful. Be addicted to practicing and drawing rather than online games or drugs !

>>2821281
My problem isn't games. I used to love games but I got burned out and barely can motivate myself to even launch a game anymore. I can't motivate myself to do anything but the bare essentials of what i have to do to not die. Other than that, I just waste away looking at crap that doesn't even really interest me on the internet. Another dumb video, another 4chan thread.

So I think it's less about games and more about whatever your particular vice is.

>>2821285
This, /ic/ is too addicting.

>>2821286
this board is slow as fuck, what are you even doing?

>>2821281
That's exactly what I did. Quit WoW but instead of going cold turkey on other things (which will lead to a "relapse") I cut it down to like an hour a day max. Those Battlefield operations take like 20 mins tops. This way I can still enjoy one game and be productive with art stuff.

>>2821287
Who do you think keeps the board alive and going?

>>2821128
Noice.... blog?

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from prev thread

any advice?

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welp i think my line confidence/quality is increasing at least

What do you guys think is a better method of learning from references?

A. Making a single detailed study of the reference picture to the best of your ability

B. Making multiple quicker sketches which are less refined but focus just on the key features

I'm going through a few anatomy books and I almost always do A. I don't like half-assing pictures if I can help it, so I end up drawing everything in as much detail as I can reasonably do, and I'm not sure if I'm using my time poorly because of this.

>>2821338
C. Do both. You can now handle both skills which work off each other.

In any case, as long as you are drawing, you are getting better. There's no doubt about it. The more time you spend, the more you're learning. So just keep it up, doubting yourself is the number one way to not making it.

>>2821338
I like to do both.

Do a few quick sketches first. You'll see how bad you suck and where you're failing. Then do the detailed study. Afterwards do a few quick sketches again from memory. Try to imagine additional angles not in the reference, too. You should've learned something.

>>2821182
you do any color stuff? or just line art?

>>2821023
Thanks a lot, I'll go ahead and try.

>>2821334
Why are they 500x500

>>2821395
i use a 5k x 5k canvas so when i open in paint i just drop a 0 to resize so its 500 x 500

What's the difference between Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain? Which do I read?

>>2821399
it literally doesnt matter

>>2821400
Ok, then do I do this or Keys to drawing first?

>>2821412
Yes

>>2821412
Get drawing on the right side of the brain workbook and do exercises (or just skip the text and do the exercises if you have the normal book). Then get keys to drawing , read it and do the exercises.

>>2821460
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>>2821460
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>>2819116
Am I even close?