/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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doing vilppu

ching dong mieu cucks

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r8, h8

>>2802885
gr8, m8!

>>2802872
going to make it

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Sorry if I sound autistic or some shit, but, I've challenged myself to draw a full page in my notebook every night before I go to bed as NY resolution. Can you rate a few entries? I've been doodling on and off for like five years and I finally thought it was a good time to start learning.
1/?

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>>2802937
Bit more serious doodle

>>2802937
>doodling

That's all that they are. Doodles. If you seriously take the time to work on something and invest time into it with the best of your artistic ability, critique for that will be better than any critique you get for this (in addition to being flamed for mindlessly scribbling in a notebook and not rotating/resizing).

If drawing is something to be taken seriously (I assume), there are better ways to spend your time.

>>2802944
Yeah I did feel like I was treating the whole "fill a page everyday" thing wrong but I didn't look further into what that really meant. I do appreciate you looking at it! I'm going to start doing the "draw a box" thing I've heard around sometime tomorrow to actually get better.

>>2802948
Don't take it the wrong way. Whatever it takes for you to draw and enjoy it, then do it. I'm just saying that you'd need a balance of fun/study ratio.

>>2802949
I appreciate the advice very much anon

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Fix me

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this is fun

>>2802984
Anon get your symmetry right, also why are your lines so squiggly

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Just bought a kneaded eraser and I have a super serious question here: why would you ever use the "normal" kind of eraser?

>It doesn't leave crumbs everywhere
>It's malleable
>Doesn't smudge/get dirty
>It's way firmer than I thought, can erase just about as well as a normal eraser can
>WAY better at erasing color pencils
>It's fucking cheap
>Looks like it'll last me for ages since it never leaves material behind

No, seriously; other erasers: BTFO.

>>2803068
if you sit on it and dont notice you ruin your pants

>>2803068
Yeah it's way better! I still use hard eraser though, for removing darker marks that won't go away with the soft eraser when rendering. But I make a sharp point with it to do that

Even after doing all the drawabox exercises and continuing them my hand control is still shit. Should I do something else? How much should I continue? I don't want to spend a year drawing lines.

Also considering that my aim is becoming a digital artist can I do them on my tablet? (I used to do them on paper)

>>2803124
paper or tablet is fine. how's your muscle tone in your shoulder/arm? if you're frail start working out those areas.

>>2803130
Stopped going to gym years ago, so really shitty, could that really be the problem?

>>2803133
i wouldn't say it's the whole problem but it could definitely be part of it. just keep doing the exercises though, it's going to take a while. I hadn't drawn in years and recently started again and have been doing those exercises for a few weeks now and my lines are still shit.

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>>2802863
here's a gesture drawing i did of this
is this how your supposed to go about it?

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Tried to make some concept art kinda thing...

Is 60$ for 4 classes (each one hour and a half) worth it? I want to get into drawing but I need a more structured environment. My house is too noisy.

>>2803208
get some headphones

>>2803068
Well I can't imagine using a kneaded eraser for
>erasing marks when writing
>erasing he entire pencil under drawing of something that I've inked
>carrying one around when sketching when the portable vinyl eraser I have at the tip of my pencil does just fine
And that's just my own use cases that come to mind. They're good for working with charcoal and pencil drawings, but as with most things they're a tool for certain jobs, not every job.

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>>2803000
going to call this finished. im pleased with my first gouache landscape

>>2803225
This. A good, solid pencil eraser is pretty great for certain things. I do love me my kneaded eraser for colored pencil and charcoal though.

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>>2803225
>>2803298
>owning pencils with an eraser
>inb4 palomeme-o memewing

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I made this thing the other day. How do I improve? Does anyone have any tips for coloring?

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>>2802863
What do I need to work on?

>>2803331
Not fucking a good half hour after my trip ends and i'm literally was seeing that.

>>2803344
Uh, you replying to the right post?

>>2803196
It's really stiff. The idea of gesture drawings is that you can crank out hundreds of them in a short amount of time. Doing just one and asking if it looks good completely defeats the purpose. Fill a page and compare it to what the pros look like and improve. It's harder than it looks so don't get discouraged

>>2803348
i see thanks.
just wanted to see if i had the right idea

>>2803362
his problem is that he hasnt watched/read or understood the gesture guides on the internet. prokos is the best i think.

>>2803390
I've watched a few of prokos videos and it's feels like it's literally "Step 1: draw circles. Step 2: Draw the fucking owl" tier even though it's nothing but lines.

>>2803394
watch his gesture vid.
you arent really doing it properly. do the C and S shapes. dont draw ovals.

>>2803203
are you sure you are /beg/ the design isnt bad beyond the weapon which is dumb.

Just started drawing yesterday for the first time in my life

Im absolute trash so I know its a long road ahead , im following the sticky and learning to use the right side of my brain so that I actually draw whats there rather than breaking things down to shitty symbols

Anybody else who's done this experience headaches afterwards? Not sure why but after an hour of drawing my head starts to ache and im wondering if its just a part of getting used to looking in a different way, maybe im straining my eyes too much?

>>2803453
That's normal for right side.

Welcome to drawing lad.

>>2803453
First off stop reading that garbage pseudoscience book and use 'Keys to Drawing' instead

Secondly I think you might be tensed up while drawing, perhaps due to stressing over how it looks? It's certainly not normal. Are you grinding your teeth or just feeling tense?

>>2803459
I mean as long as he ignores the psudeo science and understands the exercise then he should be good.

Since he's never drawn before maybe he needs that bit of codling from DRTSTB. It tends to work better for complete new fags.

>>2803331
proportions. measuring.

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I've been getting into drawing for a few months now, any pointers what to work on?

>>2803465
Thanks!

>Drawing on the Right Side says it's just your eye that's unable to see
>tfw feel as if it's more I can't move my hand the way I want it
So is it right?

>>2803505
both probably

>>2803505
Yeah they dont mention all that well but there will be a gap in your ability to actually draw straight lines/get correct measurements and what you can see but the books more about preparing yourself for more in depth lessons because without being able to see things correctly you'll pretty much never develop

So keep at it and dont worry all that much for that book, if your following the sticky the more technical stuff comes later and by the time you get to it you should be much more prepared than if you didnt go through Right Side

>>2803471
Anatomy! (Possibly read some Loomis aswell)
Proportions are messed up and it's very flat looking

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Had a really hard time focusing today. Felt really lazy and unmotivated.

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I have a quick value study I though I'd share. As a beginner I've been advised to do a lot of these, but how to establish the inate tones that govern how dark certain areas will turn in relation to other areas is proving to be a problem. How important is value for life studies?

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Haven't been drawing everyday and haven't drawn in almost a week. Ironically I feel like I am improving more the less I draw.

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Is there something wrong with the colors I picked (right) ?

Or is my drawing?

It is only the sketch though, trying to make the thumbnail

>>2803543
What's the mood you're going for?

>Doing gesture sketches
>Think I'm improving
>Suddenly dogshit again
Are some gestures just intuitively easier to get down or something?

Also, using a tablet while learning to draw sucks. Feels like I try to draw in an oil slick.

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>>2803547
I want it to be a foggy swamp, oppressive. I am using pic as reference but I think the colors or values look pretty bad, and I don't want to spend many hours on details before I know its good.

>>2803548
I quit drawing on a computer, I sketch on pencil and photograph the drawing

>>2803554
Well I don't plan on ever doing any non-digital art so I thought I might as well learn using a tablet to begin with.

>>2803527
Thanks

>>2803556
I see a lot of top digital artists who make their sketches and drawings on paper and scan them before working digitally

Tablets are good for rendering but a pain in the ass for drawing

>>2803549
Just take a look at movie screencaps or other artist work. Or are you against it for some reason?

>>2803548
No experience start with pencil and paper. Once you know how to draw shit then go on tablet.

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>>2803565
Why? I already have reference, but there is something about the sketch that looks bad for some reason

>>2803532
Are you using a ruler for some of those?

I'm going through Scott Robertson atm, I like how technical he is. Wish I could do good free hand ellipses like he does but I'll get there one day.

Is it a bad idea that while teaching myself the fundamentals, to play around and try to learn coloring? I want to be using markers, comics or a binary touch, but should that wait till later down the line?

What makes Values look muddy?

>>2803573
Yes. I wanted to try out the common vp pairs that he talks about in page 25, so I did the 3 drawings on far right, but I wanted to be 100 % that I hit the VP's, so I used a ruler.

I also like doing one page with a ruler,when ever I get into a new technique/lesson, so I understand the method of doing what be teaches.

Draw a page of ellipses a day, and you will improve on them fast.

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How much am I able to learn from scribbling like this?
Or should I get straight to through and through studies..
recommendations?

>>2803601
If you are a beginner and you are not using reference, you are fucking it up, study anatomy and then try to move the skeleton like you want it to, start with simple forms like cylinders, cubes, spheres...

>>2803538
right.

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I've been reading Jack Hamm's scenery seascapes and landscapes and these exercises are from pages 8 and 9. Is this a good way to practice composition?

>>2803615
I mean it's true. It is still bad but its better than the stuff I was drawing when I was drawing everyday.

>>2803641
go to the drawthread

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ignore the edgy meme please
>>2800125
It's done with a dried out Pigma Micron 01 on A4 (suprisignly, it's easier to handle it this way). I messed the earlobe up, and the values are not quite there yet. Does it look like chicken scratch, or are the lines more appealing this way? I find it much easier to sketch like that, it's faster and far more reliant on auto-drawing/intuition.

>>2803722
It looks like shit, don't do that and stop making excuses for it looking like shit and not knowing how to make it not look like shit.

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I suck
how the fuck do you draw heads

>>2803722
Posting your pens in your picture doesn't make it look any better.

>>2803751
your nose is a symbol
practise it all more
you're on the right track.

>>2803767
what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Send help.

I don't think I'm looking at this exercise right. While it's looking MUCH better than the previous two attempts, I still think I'm either thinking too much or too little about proportions and stuff. I know the exercise tells us to sacrifice proportions in order to work as fast as we thought the artist to work, but between the "gotta go fast, or the lion will go away" stream of thought, there's always that "he must've at least had SOME time to pay attention to proportions and shit, right?" And then I stop and start and stop and it feels really inconsistent, not to mention the restatements of the artists restatements, since the exercise urges us to try and mimic the artists strokes. It's a mix of feeling like I'm not taking time enough with something and feeling like I'm taking too much time with something.

Am I taking things too literally here? Any tips on how to approach this correctly?

>>2803767
I like this guy

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>>2802872
did some more today

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digital software cc welcome as im very new to it

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so I'm trying to practice perspective, during the time I was drawing this I had a few lines signifying perspective measurement, and want to know if I'm on the right track.

pic related.

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>>2802859

>>2803471

Learn about the human body, not just muscles or skeleton, you need to know where the masses of the body are and you need to depict those properly
learn the limitations of the human body and memorize proportions as well; they're completely fucked in your drawing, the girl looks like a stick insect
You need to learn how to depict forms and mass as well, everything looks super flat

>>2803892
Looks like you put an effect over photo and drew some lines to make it look like you didnt.

>>2803909
thanks! I'm flattered it came out so clean that you'd think that :)

>>2803892
work on your personality. you have shit taste and you signed your image on /beg/.

>>2803896
Is that supposed to be a sexy muppet?

>>2803903
Whats a good way to study and memorize anatomy and make it 3D? Im struggling to figure it out.

>>2803910
It's not a compliment

>>2803914
Is that it? Anything I should work on?

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>>2803915

>>2803913
personality? can you expand? this was from reference obviously

>>2803918
lol obviously. but that's what it told me about my piece so thank you!

>>2803920
This is pretty fucking bad, desu. Ugly line quality, it shows that you're drawing over multiple times to find your line.

>>2803956
this isnt mine. its a tutorial that a pro made.
it also in response to the anons question.

>>2803914
What did he mean by this?

>>2803962
it means you didnt put any effort in. read the sticky then practise for 30 hours then post again

>>2803966
I already read the sticky before, but whatever.

>>2803962
More importantly, what was his endgame?

>>2803971
Im very confused by that statement, endgame?

>>2803973
who is he working for?

>>2803976
Wtf are you talking about?

>>2803976
For you.

>>2803976
Jim Hensen's estranged son most likely

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>>2803919
Literally everything. The proportions, he perspective, the lines, that nose. You just need a lot more practice. Focus on leaning to draw from life.

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did some loomis - have to say it looks better than old stuff

>trying to prove to people that you don't need talent to be good at drawing
>can't draw for shit though
Really makes you think

>>2804024
>you don't need talent to be good at drawing
???

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>>2803852
and an attempt to do something fun after a day of struggling with construction, of course wound up getting frustrated about not getting the colors right, anyway gave him a fun eye color and calling it a day, will try to render it again tomorrow
its supposed to be
>>2802859

Anyone have any tutorials for drawing figures from a side angle? I've mostly been working from the front and I don't want to stagnate.

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>>2804052
i was just about to go to sleep you fucker

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Started doing the beginning exercises in Fun with a Pencil by Andrew Loomis. If I feel comfortable with my progress, can I move on to the next lesson or should I draw everything that's in that particular section I'm on?

>>2804008
Not bad! Though I'm getting the impression that you arn't focusing very much on the underlying forms.

Do another where you dont look at the lines/the surface of the skin. Just make the shapes out of various volumes and post it. Then in another post refine the shapes and add some detail to them.

>>2804064
I'm under the impression that these were copied directly from the book, being that you're in this thread (they look too good for a beginner). you should try making up your own little faces.

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>>2804066

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>>2802859
I tried my best. I know, symbol drawing. I'll get around to reading the books at some point.

>>2804154
looks like you gave him an extra chromosome

>>2803130
>if you aren't /fit/ you can't art

Arm and shoulder tone are completely irrelevant. It's like saying your car has a puncture so you do an oil change to fix the problem.

>>2804154
Why did you draw his right eye in the second pic when it's not in the reference? In order to draw successfully you must pay attention to the details

>>2804101
Is that a nose or a dick.
Work on your understanding of facial bones and muscles.
It's not that good but you have a lot of potential!

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this is starting to piss me off. how do i get large color blocks to go dry uniformly without showing all these gross brushstrokes? also it okay to have pencil showing throw with gouache?

>>2804186
>tfw was working on 18 x 24 paper and arm started to get tired
It's completely true, you need to be /fit/ to do art for long periods of time. I can't even draw straight lines because I'm too weak apparently and have no muscle control.

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>>2803989
>>2803987
I was going to do that, I legitimately was going to fork some money and try to actually buy all those books, then it hit me, after the four or five years I've been drawing on my Adesso Cyber Tablet Z8, is that I really can not improve. And at this point, trying even more to practice and learn is just going to be a waste of time.

I've tried so hard to get like those artists that can do 3dimensional perfect perspective and anatomy, I read Loomis with fundamentals, I've practiced as hard as I could.

Still nothing to behold.

Whats the point if you never get anywhere honestly, I'm just so exhausted trying for nothing and I wasted my time utterly.

Life is a lie, I was better off doing fuck all than trying to make this primitive mind an artist.

>>2804251
No one care bruh...

>>2804180
I don't think it'll take long for you to break the symbol. Better start now...

>>2804255
Thanks for proving my point.

Literally, art is for the lucky ones.

my oh my ic has gotten so nasty lately

>>2803330
I think your bigger problems are still proportions and measuring the cats arm is too long, and the back joints are confusing.

Im not real great on coloring myself, but this scribbly thing your doing isn't good. It depends on what kind of medium you're using, I guess Photoshop? what you can do is just make the bush size bigger and reduce opacity and flow. that will make it look more like traditional brush strokes and you can use it in the same way.

>>2804251
Certainly doesn't look like you read Loomis considering that you didn't apply a single tjing he teaches.

>>2803543
the colors look really warm
why are you using these light yellows

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>>2804154
why is he balancing hohos on his head

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>>2802860
looking for help

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>>2804310

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>>2802860

>>2804251
ladies and gentleman: why beginners shouldn't use tablets

>>2803956
Isn't that from Vilppu? lmao

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>>2803956

I seriously can't tell anymore with this board.

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Okay so how the fuck do lips work?

I tried to shade them into existence, it kind of worked on the bottom lip at first, but it quickly turned into a shitshow and it just looks like babbys first symbol drawing.

The rest of the picture isn't really worth talking about as I messed up the construction at the start, so nothing is symmetrical or the right size.

>>2804411
Your whole drawing looks like babbys first symbol drawing desu, go back to learning your fundamentals before trying to add detail.

>>2804415
I don't really see any better way to try and draw faces than to actually attempt to draw them. I understand your suggestion, and pic related isn't the only thing I do, but just telling me to go and "do fundamentals" isn't very constructive or helpful. It's not that I don't know how it's supposed to look, it's just that I don't know how to draw it.

Regardless, thank you for your (limited) feedback.

>>2803291
That was one of my favorite Halo PC maps.

>>2804420
not the other anon but I had a similar issue a while ago , I'm still a beginner. I suggest you read some art books (like loomis fun with a pencil,check the sticky) so you don't just draw what you think a face is but instead construct it in a proper way, makes it look a lot better and less flat. Anatomy might help aswell.

>>2803956
>it shows that you're drawing over multiple times to find your line
Everybody does this you inbred fucking whale

Take your shit bait somewhere else

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One day, one post

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>>2804411
Really grind out some construction work. Check out different construction resources/ techniques.

You should be spending extra time on construction when you first start, before trying to add detail like >>2804415 said. Draw, see what's wrong, rub it out and try again.

Some issues:
>Eyes too close together (should be roughly one eye's width apart)
>Ears too short (should reach roughly from eyebrow to bottom of the nose)
>Uniquely short face and large eyes
>The lower half of the face is just squashed up

Hope you don't mind, did a quick overlay and redraw. You can draw five eyes to judge the distance you need between each eye and the sides of the face.

>>2804445
Half the cranium is missing, add more to the top and back of the head. Also, the back of the neck connects to the back of the head. Eye is huge.

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>>2804429
Yeah, I just find myself wanting to finish whatever it is I'm working on which makes every drawing take way too long.

>>2804450

Thanks for the redline, it's highlighting issues I suspected were there (such as the eyes being too big for starters and the ears being too small).

I tried to make a longer face at first, but that just made her look like an ayy lmao instead. I usually draw dudes where I have a bit more leeway with face proportions and can make things too big or exaggerated.


I'll go work on construction and try to actually just stick to getting the proportions right before I try to add the detail.

>>2804415
Thanks to you too, the others' explanations made me understand what you meant.

Here's an angry bear for your troubles.

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>>2804468
Thanks for the feedback, here is a rework (not enough place to make the top of the head)

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>>2804476
Real difference, thanks again!

>>2804421
what thats in michigan are you saying halo takes place in michigan

>>2803921
ITS TRACED. <------- NOT A COMPLIMENT.

So I have a decent graphic monitor. My aim is becoming a digital artist, should I do all my exercises on it? Otherwise how much should I do on paper and what on digital? When can I switch?

>>2804529
I'd really suggest using pencil and paper at first. Learn how to work decently with them before learning to use the monitor.

So I've gotten so used to try to draw poorly mimic Dragon Ball art style that now I can't seem to come up with a style of my own.

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Right, so I tried this again, it still looks off, but it's better than my initial try.

My lines are very fuzzy though, I think it's because I use a very thin brush, but I have a feeling the program I use isn't the very best at drawing either (Corel Painter).

>>2804450
I tried to not copy too much, but mine turned out very similar in the end.

I'll just keep trying, I can see several faults in this one as well, but I'm not perfect.

>>2804528
What pencil / pen?

>>2804251
>I read loomis

No you didn't you aren't even applying the first concept Loomis teaches in his book aimed at people who can barely hold a pencil.

>>2804538
And when should I switch more or less?

>>2804208
It's a cartoon you retard.

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>>2804544
I use pigma micron fineliners. I used 05 for the perspective exercises and 08 for the bus drawings. Normally I use 03-05 for bus drawings, but my current pen is so used up, that the ink does not flow smoot enough.

>>2804311
DON'T DRAW INDIVIDUAL TEETH THAT'S FUCKING HORRIFYING

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Finding my way with lines slowly but surely. Changing the firmness helped a lot.

Reminder. Cuberush made a great gesture drawing app for only 15 dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdPQd9g4Dkw&t

You can use your own reference files and practice daily.

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>didn't manage to finish the gesture in 5 minutes
How the fuck am I suppose to get faster?

>>2804581

You weren't drawing the gesture in the first place if you couldn't finish it.

Gesture is capturing pose, movement. Not contour. The more time you're allowed on a gesture the more time you have to refine the information you're pulling in or adding to or whatever.

But the main, 100% point is nailing what the body is doing and how it's doing it. The details and refinement you're allowed in the remaining time come over the initial information has been gathered.

What you're apparently attempting to do is speed drawing or something with a name more fitting. It's certainly not gesture.

>>2804540
It's a huge improvement though! Try sketching with a larger brush for the initial sketch + construction and working your way done to smaller brushes for details.

A few fixes:
>Jawlines typically end at the line of the mouth (high jawline) or lower (low/square jaw)
>The eyes are looking in too different directions. Just double check for cross-eyes when sketching.
> Make sure to flip your image to check for symmetry and issues. Her face is a little wonky on one side (which is the problem I had with the redline here >>2804450 so I flipped it and fixed it in the blueline) Flipping the image will also make problems just her cross-eyes show more

A few handy little tutorials:
https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/320459329713374077/
https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/472737292106878836/
http://mistytang.deviantart.com/art/Let-s-draw-some-hair-359761320?q=Drawing-Tutorials%2F32371739&qo=29 (since the hair is a little stiff)

Still a good improvement so keep it up m8

>>2804581
Do it more. Repetition gives you speed.

>>2804589
I though those exercices were for learning gesture but also doing them fast.

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>>2804479
another one

>>2804611
Post reference

I looked at the previous one for the entire face (made with drawing features I found in a book and put them all together)
>>2804476

And for the haircut, just some random image on google (can't find it anymore)

>>2804601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB_SW4ry4DM

it took like 120 attempts at eyes but I finally clicked with constructing them, my line quality still sucks dongs on my tablet but they're starting to actually resemble eyes instead of almonds with circles drawn onto them

>>2804670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyFQVZ2h0V8

>tfw doing portraits
>have to see value through texture and color
H-how

>>2804670
show your work

>>2804251
the first 2/3 months you should've realise that you're not improving and stop. Figure out what went wrong and try another way of learning.

4 years... WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

You know what I did in the past 2 months? I downloaded gigs of videos I grinded shit ton of books even the one that people say stay away from. I constantly analyze the lesson even during MY FUCKING SLEEP!

I try EVERYTHING that I could. And guess what? I fucking Improved. Motherfucker! 4 YEARS! 4 FUCKING YEARS! If there's one thing so precious you're never getting is time.

I hope you're young enough to give it another shot and be smart this time or fucking find another thing to do.

>>2803896
>>2804251
FUCKYOUMANG?

ACTINFUTILITY?

>>2804679
i didnt save any of it, it doesnt seem worth saving

>>2804688
Ya fucking dingus! You are supposed to save everything so you can look back on that struggle.

>>2804691
o-oh

sorry

>>2804615
see
>>2804628
and of course don't hesitate to tell me what's wrong

>>2804692
The idea is that you can look back on your artistic journey and see if you have improved or not, it also motivates you to get better.
It also works as a reminder that you have done your work and you can do it again if need be, so save your shittiest of pictures hide them if you must but keep tag on when you drew it.

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>>2804702
ok anon ill save my work from now on

>>2804251
>ignores the last 5000 years of progression of art
>expects to be good after only 4
read the sticky, dont start from caveman.

>>2804601

Oh. Well. You were wrong.

Not that it matters. What matters is knowing you're approaching things from the wrong path and finding the right way.

If you're really good at gesture and anatomy, like some people are, you will be able to do quick life drawings. But it isn't the point.

It would be counter intuitive to tell beginners to speed draw life drawings when they can't even lay down a decent pose or have a solid base of anatomy.

Baby steps. Start small, start smart, and be consistent. Do more the next time, but don't try doing everything at all times every time.

>>2804517
Nah, it just looks similar to one of the maps. It was a joke, senpai.

>>2804450
Not that anon but what is "construction" work?

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what do you think, anon?

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>day 5

I'M NOT GONNA MAKE IT ;_;

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>>2802859

>>2804883
You need to measure better anon, all your proportions are off

Ok ic. I have a question.

After DOTRSOTB is doing Draw a Box before loomis a good idea? I've been told a long time ago this was a good gap between real life and construction.

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My shoulder hurts.

>tfw I just learned I do better straight lines if I draw them towards me instead of away from me

whats krita like compared to photoshop

>>2804891
Draw a Box for the line and box exercises, to make your lines confident and it's very important that you understand the perspective of the boxes when you're drawing them. Don't just mindlessly do boxes, think of them as 3d objects in a 3d enviroment. When you get to the boxes exercises it's a good moment to get some knowledge on perspective.
I'd recommend Perspective - The Science of Art, a video series that teaches you all the perspective you'll need as an artist. (imo)

>>2804895
Soon you'll learn that you need to be able to do it both ways anyways.

>>2804891
drawabox is best up until animals. then do other fundamental stuff like loomis.

Does anyone have any old studies of the loomis head or any sort of sheet of examples? I can't seem to wrap my head around drawing them.

>>2804944
Ahh thank you. I'll do the line exercises then loomis. After that I'll get to perspective made easy!

I'M GONNA FUCKING MAKE IT.

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where the fuck do i place my big weaboo eyes?
i cant find the right position for the fucking life of me.

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>>2804963
You would know if you read Loomis.

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>>2803601
so I did something with refferance for once

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Here's todays work; tomorrow will be something different

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>>2804969
>>2804963

>>2804985
head needs to be tilted more

>>2804985
torso looks too long

>>2804985
>>2804998

sticky

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can someone recommend me ways to draw eyes lips and noses? also thoughts on some of my doodles? I posted before and someone said "there is nothing really wrong, just draw more because they were all mediocre" which was not very helpful. ctenb.tumblr.com I draw as a hobby. Also im colourblind so any advice is appreciated.

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Pretty proud with this one.

>>2803902
Your lip is a tad upside down, and that right eye's a tad bit too to the right.
Other than that, it looks pretty nice.

>>2802858
I've been working through Betty Edwards book and I just now learned from reading a few past questions/beginner threads that her book is shite. Should I stop Right Side and pick up Keys instead? Or would I waste more of my time doing this?

>>2805043
>
looking through that tumblr i think you need to be more ambitious if you want to advance out of mediocrity. work on aesthetics and fundamentals. give perspective a go over again. imo use thinner lines too.

>>2805048
keys is good
some people dislike right side
make an informed decision having seen both. dont wait for some random anon to tell you what to think.

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I know the composition is boring, but is it at least sound? should I continue on this one or go back to making more thumbs

>>2805076
Well I've made progress with Right Side so I think i'm gonna stick with it.

I understand the lessons and know how to read in between the pseudoscience. So I'm gonna keep going. Thank you for the answer.

>>2805078
Composition is quite fine but definitely needs some darker darks at least towards the bottom of the canvas

>>2805081
sounds like you'll do fine

>>2805084
Thank you.

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>>2804101
Drew more faces from the book and drew my own from imagination.

>>2805083
cool, thank you senpai

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Is this a normal area to be at after about six months?

>>2805124
>tfw can do that and only been drawing for two days
Maybe for a /beg/inner

>>2805124
yes if you havent read loomis or any of the sticky
if you have, then you should be beyond this after the first two weeks.

>>2805124
you haven't been applying yourself so yes

i feel like my unclean lines are really starting to hinder me.

i do the shoulder drawing technique but only for large lines, smaller ones i find its inaccurate to do. is it objectively correct for all lines to be done with the shoulder?

everything with construction as it should be just looks like a cluttered mess. advice for me?

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aand another day of vilppu, finished the anatomy part of the book tho
no more way to procrastinate starting How to draw

>>2805149
yeah, save your wrist/fingers for smaller lines and detail. as for advice do the exercises in "How to Draw"(I believe its in ch1) and draw-a-box. if you really suck at the exercises spend maybe 30 min on them for a while and when you get decent just use them as a quick warm-up before you draw.

>>2805153
>this good already
Is this what you call talent?

>>2805157
nah mate i've been drawing for quite a while

>>2805153
I'm jealous of your skill and dedication. My lazy ass struggles to do a couple shitty faces a day.

>>2805155
i do the Drawabox line exercises every day for my warmup. they are still pretty messy though.

which howtodraw did you mean? who wrote it?

>>2805163
Not him but you have to make it enjoyable. If you find drawing a struggle (but still want to draw for some reason) get a good drink or put on your favorite music. It's mostly about association (at least for me)

>>2805173
scott robertson, see >>2781135
some of the exercises are pretty much the same but i don't think draw a box mentions the drawing curves one.

>>2805180
yeah, i havent been ghosting. thanks for that.

>>2805173

Scott Robertson.

>>2805178
I have a hard time drawing with any noise distractions. I find it very frustrating but I feel that if I can get decent then it'll be a rewarding experience.

>Doing naked female model study.
>All this intense observation eventually makes me wanna go fap.

How do I control my caveman urges?

>>2805203
dont fap, it kills your energy. use it like a reward system
2 hours of good work? take a fap break. etc

>>2804207
It is though, it's just shaded and I didn't do values.

anyone got that eyeball infographic?

>>2805206
https://youtu.be/OiFaM_ZhlhA?t=62

>>2805211
exactly what i was thinking of. nice catch.

>>2805210
bump

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>>2805260
this one? i have a ton

>>2805264
not the exact one i had in mind but it will do. thanks

>>2804828
Construction is using shapes and guidelines in order to make sure the image is more proportional, which is helpful when still learning to obverse. The tutorials in my last post >>2804592 included facial construction. Beginning with a rough circle, using lines to mark the features, etc = construction.

This video helps explain it. How you start with it then start using shortcuts when you get more confortable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_bNfPm_VU
"I learned all this stuff and practiced it and practiced it till I internalize it, and then just as you go you leave of parts you no longer need."

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I haven't given up yet!

>>2805281
its not bad for no construction but it is bad in general

use construction you dolt.

>>2804771
>>2804421
I really liked the opening to that level, and the fight with hunters too was really great

but I think the snow level holds a better place in my heart

>>2805264
actually mate do you mind posting those other ones you had?

>>2805264
This >>2805286
I would like to see more too. I need help with this kind of stuff. Especially noses and lips too.

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>>2805283
(｡>﹏<｡) I try!
you're right about that one though I didnt construct most of it

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I did some feet tonight.

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Something wrong with this? apart from the terrible line work.

>>2805402
Generally its pretty good, the right shoulder is a bit small and i think those arms are a bit long, but i cant be certain of it because the dude is hunched over a bit.
I would recommend you do a clean line on top of that, you can't see most of the mistakes when you have fifty different lines.

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am I going to make it?

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can i get good just drawing naked models? cause honestly im never going to ready those fucking books i just want to draw

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no comment.

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Posted this in the last thread as well but it seemed to be dying. Just started sketching mechs. How am I doing so far?

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is this figure okay?

>>2805276
Ah thank you. Iv only been starting and havent really faced it yet in keys to drawing except for center lines and such.

Although this isnt the questions thread, what books would be about construction and suitable for a newbie who cant draw well?

>>2805206
>dont fap, it kills your energy.

Hm I feel the exact opposite. Maybe it's different for everyone though, I fap once every few days.

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>>2805516
kek just saw how uncomfortable that looks. how does this one look?

>>2805501
This is a really cool study and it IS imaginative, but try using value to show how far each part is from one another and it's curvature as a machine.

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i played around a little more and got this but i think its as awkward as the first. so do either of these look okay >>2805545

>>2804969

What Book Is That From?

>>2805440
Keep going and trust me. The hardest exercise is the negative space. Do the exercises over and over and read the book. It will help you understand what she is saying.

Hey I've been doing the negative space exercise and we'll they came out looking meh.

Should I do it over and over again until it looks good? Or shounder I push through?

oh boy day 3 time to spend 2 hours drawing eyes again!!!

i started doing the ellipses and line exercises that Peter Han shows in his course demo and it actually helped my lines and shit a little better but it feels a lot easier to go over my lines on paper than it does digitally.

>>2805813
On paper, your lines leave shallow tracks in the paper which you can follow unless you draw very lightly. Tablet offers no such assistance.

>>2805827
i feel its also because i can clearly see the relationship between the line itself and my pen but on my tablet my eyes are on the monitor and the only indicator is a little dot

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My work often suffers from inconsistent lighting.
Hopefully relearning how to render, starting with simple geometric forms, will fix that.

>>2805798

If you're the same guy that's been posting exercises here. I think you need to take time to do a serious drawing/painting. Something that requires the knowledge from those lessons. It doesn't matter if you do thousands of perspective lesson if you fail to apply to your artwork.

It doesn't matter if it's shit. You need to know where you're at. Those little doodles of characters doesn't count. Also save those shitty drawings. A year from now when you're in a rut look through it.

>>2805501
That's pretty cool on the thumbnail. Do you have a lightbox or a tablet and scanner? You need to clean those lines. At this point my eyes just got lost in those sketchy scribbles.

>>2805455
Yes.By studying it. Constantly analyze and asking yourself the right question. The form, proportion, how light react on the surface...etc.

By blindly copying it as it is you'll get nothing. You're just a copy machine. And it'll be impossible to retain enough knowledge to actually create something form imagination.

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>>2804998 here. It turned out today was the same sort of studies; I'm drawing scenery from life daily, and then drawing figures and heads from imagination

>>2805034 I have read the sticky, I understand what it means to not symbol draw, yet the adversity is that I'm not accurate, and my brain still devises symbols for objects. Bert Dodson's book is helping, but sometimes a beginner as terrible as me might not arrive at the acceptable level for quite some time

>>2805938
Keep doing keys' exercise every now and then. Draw a person's face and post it for critique.

If you need a gap between Keys/Right Side draw a box's exercises help ground fundamentals.

how do i into mech drawing?

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>>2802860
Tell me, /beg/.
Am I going to make it someday?
Also, where do I need to improve?
Besides hair and teeth, I ended up noticing those as I took the photo.

How long should it take me if I am practising for at least half an hour, nearly every day to go through a single sketchbook?

A few weeks? a month?

Did anyone here actually finish the Erik Olsen Perspective videos? Just calculated and found that the whole series is 90+ hours.

Is it worth it?

>>2805873
Whoa, this is cool. The rendering feels super well done to me too.

>>2805938
I've been there. What helps me is to understand the form. For a face I study every features and try to understand the 3d form of it. I also watch multiple videos explaining the anatomy to know what's going on underneath.

After a while before I know it I started drawing what I see. And it doesn't only apply to face. I draw everything as I see. It might looks like shit because of my motor skill but it's not symbol.

Again this is just me. it might or might not help you. Everyone learn at a different pace and in a different ways. But it doesn't hurt to try.

>>2805989
>It might looks like shit because of my motor skill
How do you overcome this barrier?

>>2805990
you draw more?

>>2805873
Looks good bruh.

Do you watch istebrak? She keep insisting on people doing form study. Similar to what you're doing. She also have a community on G+ you can post this over there to get some critique. Unlike this place you will get critique for exercise like this. Everyone over there is doing it.

Just search istebrak on youtube the community link is on every video description.

>>2805990
Drawabox lesson one.

>>2805987
>>2805999
Thanks for encouragement, guys.

>istebrak
It's first time I heard about her; I'll check that community out, thanks!

>>2805912
Hey anon, I try to do something always after a lesson. For example today, after the "1 point perspective looking up and scaling" I did the the buildings going up into 1 vp in the sky from imagination. I also scaled the height of the buildings and the height of the windows, is this not applying what I am learning? Would you have any suggestions? I was thinking about drawing some furniture using the this method. Thank you for the feedback my man.

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Tried drawing faces from different angles...didn't go so well. Any advice for drawing out that under-jaw/chin area? be as harsh as you need to be.

>>2805785
I really started to ask myself if this book was worth continuing.
Apparently it is, thanks for this nice answer.

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Studying the hand and its basic features by drawing mine (don't mind the unfinished shading)

>>2806047
>>2806047
>>2806047

>>2806047
>>2806047
>>2806047

>>2804985
ok you have the basic shape of the pose. the next step for you on this is to go back and measure everything to make sure that everything is in the same proportion in the ref and your piece. once you are happy with the proportions then move on to mapping out the shadows.

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>>2802863

>>2805999
>istebrak
Damn, that bitch is annoying.