/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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The exact oposite of what I usualy draw.
I hope its not that messed up, I'm realy not sure.

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From the old thread (last image was too big) I still need to work on the values.

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Eye

I'll read some more Keys to Drawing but I thought I'd put my values and assimilated visual library to the test

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>>2792728
Ran out of room on this one.

>>2792749
Just something I noticed: that's an abnormally large jaw. It works as a caricature for sure

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obviously wip but i dont know how to achieve better rendering. I am playing with values and it still looks like shit. I am trying to hold them very tight.

>>2792865
You need to squint your eyes and block in the noticeable shapes of value first instead. It looks like a jumbled mess now. If colors are still blending together when you squint your eyes you may need a better ref with less blown-out colors (professionally lit photography is usually bad since it "hides" important planes of the face with harsh lighting, itry to make the reference photos for this thread as wide range of values as possible for this reason)

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This gave me headache...

Could someone show me a good example of 30 or 60 second gesture drawings?
I've done hundreds of them, but they still look like shit.

I like to crochet and make physical things out of fabrics, foam, resins, what ever. However I'd like to be able to sketch out designs long before I start working on something. It would really save me time. What sort of things should I study?

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>>2792726
JUST

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I wanna draw birds. What's up with this big lump on the front of this bird, in between it's shoulders?
Is it a patch of fat, protecting it's chest, or does the ribcage really just... do that?

>>2793018
loomis

>>2793054
I'm starting with "Keys to drawing" then I will go to Loomis.

>>2793061
Good lad. You'll make it

:)

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Draw a Box
Keys to Drawing - Bert Dodson
Youtube Perspective Video - Erik Olson

what else bros? I'm a total beginner, starting tomorrow

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How do you keep the "life" in your drawings/finished works when you go over them with color and clean lines? I much prefer the raw/almost gritty look in a rough sketch but I'm starting to finish them lately and everything looks so formulaic and dead.

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eh

Does anyone have any resources on coloring stuff digitally? Especially photoshop. Or can I just grab the brush tool and go from there?

I typically just draw black and white so I've never really thought about coloring my stuff

>>2793076
dont overwhelm yourself, pick one of them and work slowly through it.

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>>2792865
>>2792883
better?

is it possible to use watercolor pencils and make a nice looking piece with them?

>>2793078
Post work

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>>2793122
unffinished obviouslty

>>2793078
>I much prefer the raw/almost gritty look in a rough sketch
Same, adding colors ruin it for me. Though if you are good at coloring you can make your art a ton better.

>>2793210
I think it's just that we're bad at color.

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>>2793097

>>2793248
Stop trying to finish each eye separately. Build up your values all over the canvas, not in just one "facebook like" spot

>>2793028
It's called a crop, basically a pouch to hold the food before it gets digested. My family used to breed all kinds of exotic birds so I saw this first hand, a full crop was significantly larger than an empty one

>>2793334
Not him but is there a reason to this? I got told this before but other than a sense of "wholeness" I don't see why we have to do it.

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I used Loomis but this face still looks very weird. Can anyone point out what I did wrong? For some reason, I cannot draw faces from imagination even when looking at Loomis' book.

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>>2793248
>>2793334
I am focusing on one tiny part of the face because I am experimenting with rendering and values and it would take a lot more work if I had to correct everything every time.

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Anything to be said?

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>>2793350

>>2793370
It looks like a costume laying on the ground. Sticky.

>>2793375
I know. I am past the symbol drawing stage nd I want to learn to draw faces from imagination as suggested in the sticky.

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>>2793378
You are not, unfortunately. Eyes are not perfect almonds, eyebrows are not shotgun silhouettes, and ears are not UFOs.

If you really are past symbol drawing, feel free to post a face study.

This is usually the most frustrating stage for a beginner and one of the hardest to break out of. It all boils down to truly drawing what you see, measuring twice, and above all, taking time.

My Wacom Intuos Pro Medium freezes every once in a while when I'm making brush strokes. This started happening when I updated to the 6.3.19-3 drivers.

Is Wacom going to fix this soon or should I revert to an earlier version? If I need to revert, which version should I be using?

>>2793370
End your miserable life

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alright it's super late.
I've never done "sexualized" art before, but I have nothing else to do and I haven't drawn women in months.
SO, is there anything god awful that needs immediate fixing? something about the left foot looks screwy, but I don't know

ALSO, I totally copied this post from another thread

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>>2793370
Drew this

>>2793376
>>2793375
Looked at this, really helped.

Pic related.

>>2792812
My values suck

>>2793450
Just read some Loomis. You can go to the /draw/ thread at this level

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Still working on Keys to Drawing, haven't started any construction yet if that explains my most obvious errors.

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Speaking of symbol drawing

Am I still drawing with symbols? I tried to get the shape of the eyelids and the eyeball in there but it's tricky. I'm also aware that the proportions aren't entirely right, but I'm still working on it.

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>>2793350
Your eyes are still symbols, notice how the eyes on my figure (sorry it's a little rough still) show the eyelids? Also the eyebrows aren't so symmetrical. You need to work on your lines too, think about it before putting some down, Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching is great

>>2793501
Alright

>>2793076
Total beginner? You could try Loomis Fun with a pencil first.

I'm on the rendering part of drawing the head and hands by Loomis and I just can't seem to get it right. Any pointers or advice that helped you guys render stuff like Loomis? Obv. I have to practice a lot and put the hours in but besides that.

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how 2 draw coral

>>2793378
where the fuck did you read that you don't double check before posting?

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>>2793571
My advice would be to think of the structure of coral. It's porous and organic, a bit like tubes. Use that to get the look right. Also research different kinds of coral and incorporate it into the drawing. Right now it looks like you just drew flattened tentacles on there, although that is still a work in progress I guess

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Need some feedback,
The left arm and hand feels wonky and I need to redo the right hand

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How's this looking? I have no idea where to go with it now.

>>2793018
Although it looks really really dumb I actualy like it.

>>2793497
Looks pretty good, liking the nose.

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>>2793498
Something that helps me when practicing eyes is starting with spheres and then drawing the eyelids and all the lines and shading around it. Your eyes seem like big ovals rather than having an underlying eyeball.
The oval part should be the eye socket. So basically you're looking at a sphere inside a deeper oval shape. You just need a bit more time learning anatomy and you'll be fine.
Look at how the eye sits in the socket and how the eyelid and the area next to it bend around it.

can anyone give me a refference photo i've been lookong 2 days already and can't find it and i am not good enough to draw without one.
pale skin
dark hair
blue or light brown eyes
she also must have sickly looking face, baggy eyes, cold expression.
i am going crazy and am really tired right now, fucking hate girls all of them didnt sleep for two noghts i am amazed how i cam't find anyone that will feat the description you know. And fucking crows keep coming at my window COW COW COW. just fuck off.

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>>2793383
>You are not, unfortunately. Eyes are not perfect almonds, eyebrows are not shotgun silhouettes, and ears are not UFOs.

MY FUCKING SIDES

>>2793642
Water

>>2793586
how long have you been at this?
whats your routine etc?

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>>2793383
>This is usually the most frustrating stage for a beginner and one of the hardest to break out of. It all boils down to truly drawing what you see, measuring twice, and above all, taking time.

I blame the internet for this, and I'm not joking.

There is a strong focus in general on digital painting and drawing from imagination that stunts beginners from sitting down with a pencil and drawing what is in front of them. The internet makes difficult things look easy and confuses the shit out of people.

>>2793378

Anon, it's clear you haven't taken enough time to draw and block a real face that's in front of you.

At this stage, you shouldn't be drawing from imagination.

See picture to get you started.

>>2792955
this is nice anon. source?

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Are my arrows fine?

In need of ideas.
Whats your routine bros? How long do you go for, what do you start with etc?

>>2793843
Very clean and surgical; you're doing what Draw A Box wants you to do, so that's venerable! Consider moving on after creating a few more arrows

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>>2793837
Thanks anon. Not even close to the ref though...

>>2793848
for "routine" stuff this and drawabox exercises are good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHefdroQdDo

anyone knows a good book to get into charcoal? I just received a charcoal set as a gift

>>2793832
Literally four days, as is very apparent if you look at the grill on the left.

I am going through Loomis, and I just draw whatever I feel like outside of that. The picture you replied to was made as a joke.

>>2793076
Do Daeshbox lessons 1 and 2, then go through all of Keys to Drawing without doing anything else.

>>2793876
ditto, I've been working with charcoal for a couple of months now, but all I can find online in terms of guides are really shitty/poorly rendered drawings of objects

from what I can tell, you just use it like really soft graphite

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>>2793491
what the fricc is this?

>>2793515
fuck that book who has fun drawing that kind of stupid faces

>>2793885
>fun
>>/deviant art/

>>2793878
there are parts that show a greater understanding than what i have atm. fuck.

>>2793884
I saw that and I thought i'd be a humorous little snipe if I told them they'd be able to go back there by my judgement, so that the pseudoscience of the situation assumes that of a game of ping-pong where the Artist is flung between both threads

>>2793895
I get that, thanks

and that's not what pseudoscience means

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:(

>>2793900
:(

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>>2793906
:)

I just discovered an indelible and undulating song full of ataraxic vibes that might be nice for beginners to listen to whilst going through the grind. Here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Gs8Azj4fiY&list=PLhm9T1kzIsfrx-gMovepzma4GWNOpyRlR&index=26

hey guys you probably havent heard of it but heres my music taste XDDDDDD

oh god im such a nerd i cant even XDDD :DDD

>>2793979
Sorry; I promise not to post music on the beginner thread again

>>2793994
im making fun of you to alleviate the stress of being a beginner. the music sounds great. you can post some more kind things in the future if you like.

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>>2792726
That doesn't look like him at all.

>>2793853
Thanks, guess I'll do what you said then.

>>2793997
Ah alright; I can understand that psychology. Thank you if I find anything particularly tremendous I'll post that also

>>2793998
>DAMAGED

>>2794003
MOMS

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>>2794003
Mom's gonna freak.

>>2793375
>>2793835
Both helpful, thanks

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>>2793970
I like trash that gets me in the mood for making dosh off autismals.

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I just dont get how i can render a body, or anatomy.
I can like render forms and such. And i know about most of the muscles yet i can't seem to apply those thing into drawing bodys.

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>>2792727
I added color to the hair this time!
#improvement

>>2794196
Why are you not even making an attempt at measuring at all?

>>2794202
I thought I had it under control until it was too late.I erased so many times, I ended up saying "fuck it" and just focused on finishing it. Not sure how to measure though, searched it up and I just see people holding up a pencil and closing their eyes?

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Just a quick drawing, I think I lost the likeness but she Asian so I dunno

>>2794215
You need to measure much more.

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Explorations of a landscape

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Total beginner, been working on the Edwards workbook a couple weeks, just have a couple questions.

Would it be a good idea to do the exercises several times each for practice, or perhaps do the Dodson book as well afterwards? Or would it be more beneficial to just move on to draw a box or Loomis next?

Also, I'm not sure if I'm starting to overdo it with measuring. I'm basically using my thumb and pencil to gauge just about every distance and angle possible, because otherwise I fuck up and draw shit too big, even with a basic unit. Will I become over reliant on measuring by doing that, or will it eventually get to where I won't need to do it anymore?

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>>2794082
Increase your value range a bit (brighter whites and darker blacks) and focus on edges (soft vs. hard). Keep studying anatomy- it's not enough to know "most of the muscles;" you have to know how to represent them believably.
Pic is a very rough idea of the direction you should be heading in.

>>2794227
I actually didn't measure at all I wanna learn that sight size thing or whatever it's called

>>2794241
Please read Bert Dodson; he's amazing

>>2794243
Vetyr?

>>2794207
I really don't mean to shill this any more but this is going to help.

http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

It's free.

>>2794249
Yep

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>>2794251
There's three biscuits that I put in my pocket four hours ago and I totally forgot about them

Have a biscuit because good work on the paint overs

>>2794232
I like it. There's a book called Van Gogh: Master Draughtsman I think you'd really like/learn from. You can see how he grows from beginner to amazing and copying his drawings (especially his use of short lines for volume) will give you some tools you can adapt in your own landscape drawing. Just keep practicing, you definitely have a good start.

>>2794259
Bless you for the goodwill; I will occupy myself with getting a copy of that book in the near future

>>2794255
thank you for your appreciation, biscuit anon

>>2794250
Alright thanks! Hopefully I learn a ton and I will apply it to my next drawing.

>>2794283
Can't wait for it. It'll really open your eyes.

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I hope it's somewhat passable now

>>2792724
holy shit
>just did the contour drawing from Drawing on the Right Side of the brain
>the hand comes out looking like AN ACTUAL HAND
I mean it has it's problems. The fingers are a wayy off but it looks like a hand none the less.

Is this what it's like to learn something new in drawing? Holy shit I'm in love.

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I'm looking for some brushes I hope you guys can help me.
I use Clip Studio Paint in its latest version and I'm looking for shading brushes to achieve something similiar to Mizutani's shading and coloring style.

>>2794330
I think we all know that feeling. Keep doing it over and over again until it becomes boring :)

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>>2794301
>I think I know this girl.

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>>2792726
Give it to me straight /ic/, how bad is my symbol drawing?

>>2794335
What exactly is the difference between a regular default brush compared to what he's doing?

It just looks like blended colors.

>>2794348
I actually don't know.
If anything, instead of the exact tool, I might as well use a tutorial to learn to shade or color like that.

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>>2794339
This is a ref.

>>2794341
Bad but not the worse ever.
Keys to Drawing or Drawing on The Right side.

alright, so i'm having an issue.

I'm looking at keys to drawing and drawing on the right side of the brain
should i just stick to one and which one?

also another question i have is, i'm a VERY visual learner, so if anyone has some kind of videos i could watch while doing this too would be lovely!
my main issue at the moment is figure drawing
i can't seem to figure anything out and it always looks awful.
i know it's not supposed to look good but i just feel like i'm doing it wrong.

>>2794335
Also, where else can I ask for this?
I don't know too many art boards or forums.

>>2794366
should i just stick to one and which one?
Keys

>figure drawing
vilppu

>>2794358
if her eyes are already far apart and loish draws her, does it end up looking like an ayy?

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I have been painting this but I feel like I have fucked up and do not know what to add. How do I make the orchards more realistic? Any advice would be appreciated.

>tfw cannot stop symbol drawing
>tfw cant get proportions or accuracy right

fml famalam

>>2794471
>can do basic 3D shapes in perspective/foreshortened no problem
>brain fucks up the instant I try to turn those cylinders and spheres into an arm
>can't draw it in perspective/foreshortened
fml famalam

>>2794471
You aren't taking enough time would be my best guess. When I was symbol drawing I tended to rush when in reality I needed to be careful and mindful of my strokes and truly draw what it was that I was seeing.

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i cant tell if my fountain design is really fuckiing neato or really fucking retarded

>>2794484
This, every time I hear these whores bitching about not being able to do something I immediately think "They're rushing their shit" or "They think they can git gud in 2 hours"

>>2794507
Looks Egyptian.

>>2794510
good eye that wasnt intentional but i see it now

Do you guys find it much easier to copy other people's sketches than actual still life or photographs?

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>>2792724
Heres a good tip: learning to draw animals is much for fun than drawing humans, you don't feel nearly as bad for not being 100% accurate.

>>2794412
Use ref anon...

I've heard loomis is a meme, is this just a meme or not?

what do you guys think of this?
http://miaoqizhu.com/resources/Force_Dynamic_Life_Drawing_for_Animators.pdf

>>2794566
Loomis is a meme, read the /beg/ sticky for recommended readings.

>>2794566
In my experience as a beginner artist, his stuff really is essential. It's not going to make you a better artist overnight, and I personally have personally found that things like Keys to Drawing and Scott Robertson are just as important, but he is essential nonetheless.

>>2794566
kind of, when someone asks for help, someone will tell them to look up Loomis, the joke is, he's supposed to be a master artist, and if we all just do what he does, we'll all be great.

but really, his techniques are only good for drawing the most generic human beings possible ie
5 ft 11''
8/10 healthy
white men
with squarish heads

>>2794570
Mattesi has been recommended here often. It's a pretty good book.

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>>2794574
You're a funny guy. Loomis teaches you "construction" which is a technique for drawing anything. You're not supposed to use his books like a "How to Draw Manga Girls" sort of way. You do Loomis so you can consolidate what the hell you're looking at when you want to draw something from imagination or from reference.

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>>2794582
really?

When it comes to digital painting. What brushes should I use? I've just been using a default one on Krita. Is there something else I can be using, or a combination of brushes?

>>2794588
Default

>>2794574
Yeah he can only draw 1950s comic book style people. He draws men and women with the same pelvises which should tell you enough about his anatomy.
I really like how he teaches perspective though. Has some good chapters on design too.

>>2794598
well put

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>>2794598
>>2794600

>He draws men and women with the same pelvises which should tell you enough about his anatomy.

>well put

kill self

>>2794574
That's what I like. It gives you a baseline and good understanding of a default body type. You can stretch/squash/lengthen/shorten/etc from there.

>>2794605
I think you might be gay anon because that is a male skeleton. Sorry.

>>2794605
that ACTUALLY just looks like a skinny man

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>>2794609
I think you might be a porn-fried incel retard anon.

>>2794576
thank you! i will give it a try!

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>>2794609
>>2794612
Sorry but most women aren't these glistening sexual creatures with huge tits and asses as much as I'd personally like them to be. Loomis isn't teaching you how to draw anthro pony porn so his female anatomy will be similar to that of his male anatomy, representative of a generic fit specimen. It's up to you to take the knowledge of what he gives you and change it in the way you see fit. You shouldn't need anyone to tell you that you dumbass.

>>2794624
kek, quit making excuses. It's not that it isn't secksual enough, they just look like men

also, just noticed, he gave those women 0 crotch room, you know, like a man

>>2794628
>>2794626

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>>2794628
>>2794629
>they look like men

You're saying they look like men because he isn't emphasizing their sexual dimorphism like your favorite porno artists and photographers do, and I'm saying you're a dumbass virgin.

Women have:

>"inverted"-appearing obliques
>relatively wider hips
>relatively narrower shoulders
>pussies

That's pretty much it and that's what he gives you. You can run with that however you want when it comes to art, but you'll find that most girls don't have huge gaping thigh gaps with pelvic extremities that extend beyond their shoulders, bubble buts and c-cup tits. There's a difference between romanticized, idealistic and realistic anatomy. If you need to be spoon fed that sort of thing like a subhuman retard you are definitely not going to make it.

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>>2794598
>>2794600
>>2794609
>>2794612
>if only Loomis drew SEXAY women like Michael Hampton

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>>2794638
...or how about Bridgman!

>>2794637
you still dont't get it, they-look-like-men
I don't give a fricc about sexual romanticism

almost all those things you said women have, those drawings do not.
>the fucc do you mean "inverted obliques" if you meant "more vertical" the drawings still have lower obliques similar to a male
>quite possibly the only thing feminin in these drawings are the wider hips, but isn't that just "sexualizing"
>the shoulder to head ratio is that of a male
>he left no space for a "pussy" to exist

even in the picture you posted, THERE IS A GAP IN THE CROTCH, it is for birthing children.
it has nothing to do with sexualizing things, that's just what women look like

>>2794642
This is why women never come to 4chan

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>>2794647
what do you mean?

>>2794647
who cares faggot

>>2794535
Drawing humans is a double edged sword, its easy to improve because its easy to see your fuck ups, but is frustrating because its easy to see your fuck ups

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>>2794642
>the fucc do you mean "inverted obliques"

Men owe their "less curvy" or more "rectangular" body shape to the fact that their oblique muscles are more developed. I don't know where the hell you got "more vertical" from out of that lmao.

>the shoulder to head ratio is that of a male

Not really, it's just not the shoulder to head ratio of an anime character.

>he left no space for a "pussy" to exist

You are fucking stupid kid. A prominent thigh gap isn't ubiquitous even among healthy females, and this is obviously a hastily thrown together plate to begin with.

>>2794647
This isn't some SJW shit, this is the house that Loomis built. Women can come or go as they please, but the truth is yeah, the more exaggerated a female's sexual dimorphism (to a point) the more appealing we find it. The fact that some particularly porn fried basement dwellers think that a featureless stock female created for the sole purpose of a brief description of gender differences looks like a man because it's not drawn like a Shane Glines pinup is patently ridiculous.

>>2794656
Wait are you arguing that loomis draws women correctly? Because your picture just proves you wrong.

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>>2794661
blow it out your ass dickbrain

>>2794665
Jessica Rabbit looks like an alien

>>2794670
And strangely phallic

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>>2794656

again, in this picture of an arguably overweight woman, who (by theory) should not have a gap in the crotch, she has a gap in her crotch, trying to degrade my point by calling me kid is not helping you, it's making you look upset

also, why is your argument based around you thinking I only look at anime and porn?

>>2794665
>"you're a stupid fucking kid"
>uses terms like "dick brain" and "blow it out your ass"

>>2794673
>>2794656
its time to stop posting lads

>>2794683
You need to call 1-800-fuckingkillyourself now!

>>2793970
>music
Just one more suggestion before I go back to drawing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVGnTE5N1U8

>>2794680
because its 2:40 in the morning, and I'm arguing about drawing women with strangers?

>>2794683
just checked it, weak memes

>>2794688
Because there's no point in the discussion. Leave it be and go draw instead.

Hey /beg/, do you have a mega link to Color and Light by James Gurney? Thanks in advance if you do so.

>>2794729
>>2781135

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so i said FUCK it man

>>2794243
Thanks a lot man ! Love you!

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>>2792726
How did it go?

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>>2793635
feedback?
I guess now the waist is too small

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>>2794784
smaller version

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>>2794786
reference

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Does a smaller head on a woman makes her look more mature? I'm struggling a lot when it comes to proportions especially since the body types don't turn out the way i wanted? take pic related i wanted to make her older, but her body somehow looks loli??? is it because her limbs feel too short? argh i don't get it anymore. i can never control the right proportions i want when drawing from imagination.

>>2794809
is it too hard to erase the wrong lines?

>>2794809
It's chicken scratch city in here!

Loomis goes on about the sort of thing you are asking about in either fun with a pencil or his figure drawing book. He has lots of good diagrams and explanations.

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>>2794786
_tried_ to fix it

>>2794817
I don't know what I'm doing. I fail at making things in my hands look like things in my head. I don't have a good grip on my fundamentals yet and like to draw for fun sometimes. but it fails a lot.

>>2794822
thanks, it's been a long while since I've checked up Loomis. gotta revisit him (I'm always surprised how much essential informations come from him every time I inquire something)

>>2794809
to make her look older, slightly longer limbs, slightly wider shoulders, slightly more muscle, smaller head, smaller eyes, eyes higher up a tad longer trunk. etc. read the h-gal book for more on this stuff.

>>2794822
chicken scratch is different. his lines are long but there are many. anon should really erase his bad lines. there is no excuse when doing digital.

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What is a good set of photoshop brushes for a begginer?

>>2794848
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/s/Basic_3.abr

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/dp101-2/

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>>2794835
ok i did my best. someone critique please

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>>2794335
Bumping my question for brushes or a tutorial to shade and color like this.

>>2794848
ctrl paint + default is plenty

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>>2794780
are the legs too short?

is >>2794884 symbol drawing?

>>2794908
Hard to tell with the low detail and the fact that it's a cartoon.

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>>2794787
Okay, what the shit ?

>>2794951
That old man is destroying everyone lol

>>2794908
Not so much symbol drawing as just a really weak understanding of 3d form.

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>tfw drawing animals is more relaxing than drawing humans

I should probably try and study their actual anatomy instead of doing stuff like this though.

>>2794985
hes coming too?

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>>2792730
Is this correct?

>>2795004
its about correct for a man sure.
its a woman in the reference though.

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>>2795004
Isn't it great we have all these useful digital tools at our disposal?

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How do you actually go through Loomis books? Should you autistically draw every single drawing there is inside the book?

Just started drawing today.

What I'm currently working on is precision. I have unsteady hands and have a hard time putting the line where I want it to go. Right now I am drawing a shape and making myself trace over it again and again. Will this help? Any tips?

>>2795026
Try lesson 1 of Draw A Box.
Especially the part on ghosting lines.

>>2795025
Read the text inside, that's what books are about.

>>2795025
Read the text and it'll tell you what to do...

>>2795025
Put the book under your pillow at night and absorb the information through dream osmosis. That's why piratefags never improve unless they read it on a tablet.

>>2795040
So that's why I suck at drawing. It's all because I'm a piratefag!
I bet my pirated Photoshop has a brush destabilizer built in.

>>2795040
Loomis books are copyfree or copyleft whatever.

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>>2793843
damn thats clean

>>2794852
>>2794882
Really nothing else? how about intermediate brushes?

>tfw still shit
hold me lads

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>>2794809
>>2794837
Don't get so frustrated, anon, it's just a few drawings. Making a shit drawing sucks, but it's not a total waste if you learn from it. The best advice you could take is to give draw real people, and draw a bunch of different body types to get a feel for how they work and how they look. Older people tend to be drawn taller, and have longer, sharper and more pronounced features. Older women usually have more pronounced curves, so it's not enough to just draw them thicker, you need to add curves in the right places to get the idea across.
I think the main thing you should be focusing on is how flat she looks. It doesn't look like your thinking about the forms that make her up. Keep your diagonals consistant and try to emphasize form over contours to get a fuller look. It will also help you visualize your shading once you get to it, so it's good to keep in mind while you draw. The redlines is half assed, but I hope it helps

>>2795082
thighs are liquidous right?

how do i know what my mistakes are before i fix them?

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Did this just to test some brushes.

Saw some videos on ctrlpaint about the principles of design, tomorrow will se the videos about drawing from reference, I hope to finish the traditional drawing videos before the end of the year and really start delving on digital.

My objective for the next year is to fully complete at least some of Loomis' books and my books about sketching Manga.

>>2795097
What were your mistakes on your last drawing?

>>2794673
>what is a pelvis.

you literally fucked up.

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Sorry fellas, a bit of a dump today.

>>2794953
But can i get some critique on it ?

>>2795121
i for the life of me cannot draw ellipses in perspective. whats your secret?

>>2795144
do the drawabox exercises
and draw squares or plot the axis around them.

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Here's 12 60-second angry faces generated from line-of-action.com. Feels exhausting because a) it's more natural for me to exercise figure drawing on paper and b) I'm not quite used to drawing poses and expressions so quickly

>>2795149
Don't you need to have really good understanding of face before doing this? Especially for 60 seconds practice.

>>2795144
I have to admit, I do not feel very confident about drawing ellipses neither.I learned the method to draw them from Eric Olson`s perspective course and after learning the method its just practice.

>>2795150
I'd like to say I have an okay idea of where parts of the face lie and how they measure up, but you could be right. I'm just mainly pushing myself to hopefully gain something out of it. Last time I did half an hour of 60-second faces on paper, next time I'll probably go for longer intervals

>>2795112
My advice would be not to rely on one source for learning. I know a lot of people here keep screaming loomis but there are other teachers out there, other method that might suit you better and speed up your learning. I'm at the point where I kinda combine multiple methods and it's working.

Relying on just loomis might frustrate you later on and slow down your process.

We live in time where information is free. Youtube is packed with tutorials videos and drawing/painting demos by professional. It's a privileged and you should exploit it. You don't have to rely only on books.

Read and watch everything you can then take what you want and mix it up with what you've already learn.

>>2795155
What other materials do you suggest anon?

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How do I tell the difference between good practise in drawing from imagination and excessive turd polishing?

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Could someone explain to me what legs are supposed to do?

>>2794864
The lips give me a clown vibe, also, I'm nitpicking, but the visible eye seems incorrect to me. Maybe too small?

>>2794951
good good, kill him

>>2795192
The knee isn't at half way point in on the legs. You should have put it lower down.

>>2795201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBbGmkMGyok

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>>2795205
Is this down enough? I MSPainted it

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>>2794301
its pretty exhausting tbqh senpai

>>2795216
Also that cannot be the only mistake I made

>>2795216
Looks about right but the other glaring issue is the lack of anatomy. Go practice that and proportions, for that go to the books in the sticky.

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>>2794361
Am I the worst ever?

Please say no please say no please say no please say no

>>2795170

Just look for it man. It's not hard. Here I'll give you videos I found useful.


https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo/videos

Head Construction Demo
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGqLd8aLnAfFdTKsJsdN2Le4uJZQf5ihl

Basic proportions
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLntQHDbCBWnx3Aw-UDlHC2CyoeR48b5Q9

Look for others yourself. Also there's CGP.

Feed your brain all these and when you find a much more comfortable or method that you find more efficient practice that. You'll find yourself mixing all these when you're drawing/painting.

Don't get stuck watching it without doing it and don't stop reading the books either. Feed your brain as much as you can and practice it as much as you can.

>>2795218
The more you do it the better your understanding is and the faster you'll get.

>>2795250
You need to measure a lot more, instead of just going right into doing the construction.

>>2795126
whats your name?

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>>2794285
So I learned a few things but ultimately I felt like it was more geared towards Tablet users. I still picked some stuff up, I used>>2792728
spent I think 4 hours doing this. I feel tired now, but I think I made a slight improvement.

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>>2792726
oh Christ this is the first time I've touched /ic/ in months and this poor unfinished study is just sitting there to haunt me.

>>2795274
Why do you ask?

>>2795288
if i make it i'd like to remember you.
also if you make it i'd like you to remember me but thats not really viable since i dont post much.

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>>2795286
This is my most recent. I should really get back into formal practice.

>>2795291
I guess Jeremias is my online moniker, not that I post anywhere except here and Las, well at least for now. You should post more work, getting critique is always good. Show work, then I will remember you.

>>2795293
fine caricature for your level but its best not to draw from fiction
especially not uncute fiction.

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>Have 19
>Drawed during all my life to now.

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>>2795314
Thanks man, I'll keep that in mind. I wanna be able to draw the cute girl some day.

Does drawing from straight reference help you draw from imagination much? I've been doing whiteboard dailies for a few months now and I've definitely improved my ability to copy images, but my work from imagination has stagnated.

I assume I need to hit the books before I start making strides in that department.

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Help me /ic/

>>2795324
good english you slav yes?

>>2795324
The correct term is "doodled."

Read the sticky and you'll be set. This is the first day of the rest of your life. Good luck.

>>2795324
There's potential, keep at it.

>>2795330
Thanks, i spanish from c:|

>>2795333
Sorry dude, i cant speak english properly... Im from Spain

>>2795341
I will sleep happy today

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Just did another funny man.

When will I get to real people and stuff?

Also when you people tell others to study Loomis, do you have a specific book in mind? I like drawing funny man, this must be my 20th, but will funny man get me anywhere?

>>2795349
Te esta diciendo que leas el sticky(El primer post en este tablón) y ve a la guía de principiantes

>>2795250
what is ref please?

>>2795355
I was apologizing anyway, I should not have written anything
Im on mobile and its uncomfortable for me to use a translator

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>>2795324
One more c:

>>2795349
It was a joke in that you haven't actually studied or applied anything yet in terms of learning. Language barrier BrokeBack

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>>2795352
Was drawing a baby but he was too boring, so decided to turn him into a zombie.

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>>2795373
I've never been to any drawing course or anything like that
My parents say that will only make me work drawing caricatures at the street c:

>>2795381
My point is to get better (if that's your goal, which I'm assuming it is) is to study - not just draw what you want to draw. That comes when you've acquired more knowledge. Hombre.

>>2795218
You are very good shading and creating textures
>>2795216
And you're on the right track with the proportions and things like that ^^

>>2795383
That "hombre" at the end jajajajajajaja, I'm trying lately.
Gracias hombre ^^

>2 sketches
>no replies
Guess I'm too mediocre to get shit on.

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>>2795378
Another baby.

Any critique?

What are some practices I should do to get used to drawing digitally?

>>2795413
Rotate and flip canvas. Saving often.

>>2795403
Which one are yours?

If you can give one key piece of advice to yourself back when you started to learn, what would it be?

>>2795437
Artbooks and sticky then fuck off of /ic/. It's like /fit/ but retarded.

>>2795403
You're in that weird zone where you're not /absolutebeg/ but not good enough for /draw/. This is where I'd like to think you really learn how to think critically and honestly and not be reliant on outsider critique since you aren't getting any. It's a great skill.

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I'm reeeeally bad at painting noses and ears. Anyone got any advice or resources? Feel free to be as harsh as you need.

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>>2795539
I-Is... is th-this the fabled tumblr nose?

>>2795539
Is she a giraffe crossbreed?

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I thought I might as well post here to. First digital in 4 yrs, and before that only did little anime doodles. I want to be more serious with my art and get better. Please critique these were only a warm up though.

Somewhat related

Was doing one drawing when my Photoshop crashed. No files in the Autorecover folder nor while reopening after the crash.

The joke programs that people suggest on the official forums are beyond retarded. Is there any chance of recovering files like this?

PS says it is not a valid document. Illustrator opens it blank.

Fuck

>>2795553
I don't use tumblr. It was more due to influence from artists like Sachin Teng. Is it bad? I'd like it if you elaborated.
>>2795554
So is her neck too long? Too skinny? I would've phrased it differently, but hey, I appreciate the critique.

>>2795447
I don't mind it, I only come for the references because everything else is cancer and not getting replies means I'm doing something right.

Is it possible to just "doodle" and get better progressively by trial and error? Or would my time be best spent going through the fundamentals most of the time?

>>2795593
Deliberate practice is the fastest way to get better, hands down. You can "doodle" all you want but don't be upset when in three years the hard-working person who started drawing at the same time as you has gains that are almost impossible for you to catch up to.

In short, yeah, you're gonna have to do a lot of things you don't want to do but are necessary for getting better.

>>2795600
>>2795600
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>>2795600
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>>2792724
Anyone have a PDF for Keys to Drawing?

>>2795593
You can doodle of course but its definitely not an efficient way to learn, and if you're aimlessly doodling without implementing any study of fundamentals at all you could end up just spinning your wheels.

I do study-freedraw/paint-study-freedraw/paint. I think its definitely important to make sure you're not just grinding fundamentals, thats boring as fuck and a good way to burn yourself out and enjoy neither life nor art. Plus, if you freedraw every other day, you have a chance to implement stuff you've been studying in more relevant ways.

>>2795148
i tried draw box but he doesn't really cover the how to. he just says to draw them.

>>2795616
>>2781135

>>2794985
Furries are scum and so are you.

>>2795190
If you have to ask you know the answer friend.

>>2795286
You squished his face from top to bottom

>>2793900
>>2793895
>"soo-DOSH-ints"