/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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*screams externaly

>>2782146
How often do you draw from life?

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i was mainly trying to get this done right after that i really messed it up more

>>2782150
not at all

>>2782157
Can you post the reference picture? I want to draw it but that resolution is a little small.

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>>2782167
sorry my internet is extremely slow so I have to give you this compressed version

>>2782157
You should. Do whatever you want to do but it's vital to learning.

>16 posts
>5 posters

nice samefagging shitlords

>>2782177
lets subtract the references and then you only have 2 posts per poster

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>>2782111
I fucked up the legs

>>2782182
The left boobie looks wreid

>>2782100
>try to draw a nude female
>get too horny and have to stop to fap
>lose interest

Why am I like this?

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Critique, would be appreciated.

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>>2782275

A good start, there's some parts where the forms are hard to read.

I see you corrected some of the placement of the features. If you did it after you finished and you noticided by yourself I guess that's ok, it means you did see your own errors. But if you placed your drawing on top of the ref and corrected it to have a prettier drawig for the thread then that's a no no, we need to see the mistakes


Anyways, this is some death grips shit I did yesterday for fun, ref is mostly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHhLDCJ57E

>>2782279
I didn't put it on the ref, i can tell you that much, but thanks for the critique.

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a study from the ref thread + a hand

i give up, wacom small tablets are just too small to properly draw on

>>2782323
Kidding? I have the small one and its great..You just need to get used to it.

>>2782323
I used small for years and was fine, get over yourself

Starting on digital is generally considered a no no right?

>>2782373
Doesn't really matter what you start on as long as you start, and you practice properly and don't use the digital medium as a crutch to hide your mistakes.

>>2782182
>those tits
Are you blind or just shit

>>2782373
generally yes

>>2782373
you can but its just not a good idea

>>2782373
it really doesn't matter, fuck those elitists who think pen and paper are the one and only medium for drawing.

>>2782430
do you ever wonder why people dont agree with you often?

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>>2782104

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>>2782464
here is another pic of burroughs for you senpai, he looks pretty lame in that hat

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My first attempt at anything beyond a symbol drawing doodle.

Proportions are fucking hard... Am I gonna make it?

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>>2782111

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>>2782111

>>2782476
Any advice? Do you like my draw?

>>2782433
t. elitist

>>2782464
I have a great video set of a guy that explained measuring and all perfectly and how to start of a potrait, can't find it right now but will post it when i found it.

>>2782490
>elitism is bad
cuck

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>>2782475
We're all gonna make it mate, that's the first step. I finished my first 70 sheet sketch pad today.

>>2782515
Thanks bro, lookin cool! Good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish!

>>2782496
Why would anyone want to prefer pen and paper over digital, unless your some pretentious art kiddie who just graduated, there is no reason to use pen and paper like ever.

>>2782530
Pen and Paper will always beat drawing tablets for line work. Digital is best for rendering, and while you can do line work on digital it is a handicap unless you want to put down a grand on a great tablet.

>>2782476
Why nobody reply to my work?
If i'm doing something wrong pls help me

>>2782530
Computerized perfection is less visually appealing.

>>2782547
this is a slower board, you gotta have patience

>>2782547

This is a /beg/ thread and I have less skill than you so all I can do is stay in silence and pick something from what someone with skills says to you

>>2782547
its one of those drawings that isnt bad enough to to have a central flaw but isnt good enough that only a few flaws can be addressed, so its bothersome to critique.

I would recommend you look at the negative space and fix it yourself ( bottom right negative space for legs especially or the arms muscles)

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Am I doing this right?

>>2782563
of course you are
did you use a ruler?, in that case do not use it
anyway, jump to the next lesson

>>2782566
No ruler except for axes (but I think that's okay).

I'll move to the next lesson then, thanks.

>>2782563
no, only flat anime eyes are allowed in this thread

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I draw Rem from Re:Zero
Please appreciate

>>2782293
critten ples?

>>2782604
L O O M I S
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>>2782530
I like the smell of graphite

I see that a lot of people here post their works on digital even if they are beginners, my goal as well is doing digital art, so should I jump doing my studies on my tablet or should I stick with paper and then move on later?

>>2782563
Man, your lines are perfect. But did you do the exercise copying the reference picture or you just saw it once and then reproduced it from your mind?

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Would this be the correct muscle mass from a perfect portrait angle?

Halp me

>>2782614
Based on the work that appears in the Draw thread: I'm quite confident you can go there now, and that they won't send you back to this trash hole.

You've got a knack for visual appeal, I think

>>2782642
No matter how many times you tell them, they don't want to use pencil/paper for some reason, so I've stopped trying. I think they're addicted to the conviniences that digital gives them - in which case I hope their crutches don't hurt them too severely in the future.

I feel like I'm crying. I'm not gonna make it.

>>2782653
Needs more Loomis.

>>2782653
Just Remember that all Artist started bad, as long as you remeber this and keep striving to be the best you will make it.
You just gotta put in the effort.

>>2782100
Somebody tell me, what book should i read first?
Drawing with the right side or fun with the pencil?

>>2782673
the holy bible

it's the only one you'll ever need

>>2782673
before any book, do drawabox lessons
Then Loomis

>>2782673
Right Side, then Keys to Drawing.

>>2782373

It depends on your end goal.

If the things you're aiming all done on digital then yes. Just do pencil and paper on traditional for the occasional sketch like head construction/anatomy/gesture when you're not on the computer. But spend more time on digital and focus on learning the digital tools.

Unless you're already trained in traditional and are just transitioning into digital don't waste time getting really good at traditional before jumping into digital.

I'll tell you this even though the fundamentals and understanding works for all medium the motor skill required for drawing on digital tools are harder than traditional. Especially for those who uses the small tablet.

That's why we rely the tools! Of course with mileage you'll eventually ditch it. IF you stick to it.

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how do I into angle shots/composition

do I just study a bunch of pictures with good composition?

>>2782642
Digital is fine as long as you avoid doing Ctrl+Z on literally every line. (Drivers shouldn't be an issue) Try doing some of the exercises on paper though.

For example, for the lines, I practised a few weeks on both paper and digital, so I guess it paid off. I only looked at the reference a few times, then did what my mind felt would look correct.

>>2782651
Digital is fine as long as you don't rely excessively on the crutch that is Ctrl+Z. I haven't completely given up on traditional yet, I do some of those exercises on paper. Digital is just cleaner to post here because my scanner is shit.

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are you a bad enough dude to try and draw THIS and post it in the thread?

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post inspiration

>>2782642
Using digital or pen/paper is literally the same.
If you practiced alot on digital, you are going to draw awful when you go back to pen/paper. Same goes for pen/paper. However your skill is still going to be there, just pick whatever you find more comfy to use. It doesn't matter at all, (I mean like who draws with pen and paper nowadays lol)

>>2782647
Omg those arms
Best way is to start drawing with circles, cilinders, rectangles. Thats what I have been doing so far, no more focusing on that animeface you're trying to paste on there

>>2782667
>>2782654
Can these fucking memes just fucking die.
No, not everyone is born with a natural talent like u faggots, That means that even at our best we will never be good at it ever, you people are fucking priviliged for saying we need more mileage or some other fuckin garbage shits

>>2782819
>tfw you will never draw like this

>>2782475
Not bad.

Just remember. This is the biggest thing. The first time you do every exercise in DROTRSOTB it's not gonna be perfect. This is what energizes and also what kinda makes beginners wanna quit. The first couple of times you copy upside down until you finish the book.

Keep at it. When you can do photo realistic portraits then it's time for loomis.

>>2782820
Worse for practice, a lot of technical crutches, the end result looks worse. I'm gonna assume this is a troll.

>>2782836
Not gonna make it

>>2782853
Should I strive to perfect each lesson one by one or just move on after 1 attempt and then restart to hone myself/

>>2782875
I wouldn't do more upside down drawings if I were you, waste of time that could easiliy have been used into understanding what human anatomy is

Anybody know where I can download large folders of high-quality references by category? I'm looking for a bunch of HD animals but don't want to go around downloading a bunch of items individually and would be happier with a whole bunch.

>>2782880
Thank you!

Does anyone have a video or a good read for drawing faces? I've been gesture drawing for a few days now and want to proceed to heads but they always turn out awful

>>2782921
L O O M I S
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>>2782935
I've been reading up the first few pages of "Drawing the head and hands" and it seems kind of self-explanatory. Like eyes on same line as ears and stuff. Should I continue on reading though? I don't really wanna waste my time that I could have spent in something else if the entire book is going to be filled with general knowledge like that. (Cause its a meme on this board I'm not sure you were joking around)

>>2782948
if you are wanting to draw heads/faces then loomis takes you all the way out of /beg/ territory. if you are wanting to draw facial expressions then download the reference book and start practising them.

They're like noodles aren't they

I have been using boxes; the reason the legs look better is likely because I constructed them using cylinders...

Your advice is solid, though. I ought to backtrack to basic forms once again

why is it so common?

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is this good practice?

>>2783026
Apply it to humans and practice that, all the time. Just sketching these things won't get you anywhere if you're not using them for your drawings

>>2783031
all in good time friend, fundamentals from the skeleton up.

all of these are from reference

>>2782476
You seem to have some understanding of form and gesture, or you're just a good copier. I suggest breaking the image down into a basic pose by identifying the dynamic lines. I would show you but i have no digital software atm. I also suggest studying the torso anatomy especially the way the shoulders and trapezus connect and attach to the torso. I hope this helps

>>2782530
you sound retarded.

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critique my tentacle Composition

>>2782836
>talent
Nobody here achieves anything considerable without a necessary amount of practice and hard work. I'd hate to perpetuate this ongoing meme, but you will never make it. Especially if you devolve into slinging your own crap in a fit a of rage because you can't handle internet words. fuck off.

>>2783131
needs more volume, especially in the tenticles, Trying making them connected cylinders to really define them.

>>2783148
Thank you, I now realize how flat they look T_T but i don't really understand how something as dynamic as tentacles (in the context of their position/posing) can be expressed with something as concrete as a cylinder? Or perhaps you meant a -curved- cylinder?

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is trees being green with snow around them in the winter plausible or am i just being fucking retarded

>>2783155
Use ref

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>do an observational drawing of a building amd surrounding area for 2 hours
>scan it, through it into photoshop, overlap it with reference with low opacity to compare
>see an error I did early on that threw the whole drawing off

pic related

>>2782819
I'd love to see that guy's reference pic.

>>2783155
have you ever taken calculus if so you should no that a curved graph is a connection of several rectangles that have been extrapolated between each other. So what im saying is if you cut up a tentacle several hundred times, you can see that it is made up of very thin cylinders. make sense?

>>2783183
It does now. Basically contour lines from what I'm getting. I guess I should have drawn those in the first place to better define the form

>>2782836
Art is a skill, not a talent. The only difference between any artist here and you is that you're bitching about you thinking you've hit a plateau. Stop posting here and spend more time developing your skill, or stop posting here. It's not a meme, you fucknugget. It's the reality of the craft. Once you wake up and smell the coffee, go back to drawing.

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>>2782111

Is it possible to do art good on a computer using just a keyboard and mouse?

>>2783378
Yes, but it's tedious

>>2783378
It's possible to do good art with your shit and the floor.

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>>2783131
Cylinders are an okay way to do it. Personally I'd end up drawing really stiff that way. You just need a good understanding of how the underside is placed in relation to the rest.

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>>2782169
Tried to apply all the stuff from Keys to Drawing but I'm no good with thickness to height ratio or just width in general.

>>2783424
I think if you used head heights you would make it the correct height

>>2782820
>>2782651
>>2782820
Well, fact is that I'm more comfortable drawing on my monitor, the reason is a bit autistic, but I'm quite a messy person and my desktop is always full of shit, I have to clean it every time, also I usually find "annoying" the act of taking out the materials, I know it's really stupid but man I find harder to set up my work instead of just working.
The monitor on the other hand is always in front of me, it doesn't require any waste of paper, any material, any space etc.

Anyway I see that my work looks wat better on paper even if I'm a beginner. Sorry for my drama

>trying to draw foliage
>all the stems confusing me
>the texture also confusing me
>not sure whether or not to render them or use lines for them
>be off even once
>it's messed up for the rest of the time so rendering is impossible if proportions aren't kept
How are you supposed to draw foliage? It's especially even more difficult when there's a pack of them like in trees.

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>>2783449

>>2783436
I was going to say that I was going to wait to use heads as a unit of measurement until I started figure drawing stuff and finished Keys but you actually got me to go out and look stuff up. I'm watching the Proko measurement video and it made me realize that my biggest fear (that using heads for measurement is only good for drawing people and it won't help me get better overall like sticking to the other types of measuring will) was stupid and I should be comparing as many things to each other as possible when drawing. Thank you for helping me realize how silly I was being.

>>2783462
lots of people here say that REAL artists never use head measurements for proportions though, but I dont really understand what they mean by that

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i did that in 10 hours, is it too much? Most of it (8 hours) went to measuring

>>2783465
im impressed

>>2783465
So tell me, what did you learn? Did you actually improve from doing this?

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>>2783469
It's more for developing the eye I assume than cramming something like anatomy. 10 hour bargues give more for a beginner than 20 hours of what they normally do because it helps them see better.

>>2783465
I hope my red line makes sense. The shadow below the lip isn't that far off, it just feels off because of that brush stroke making it feel more rounded than angular. Also, I'm disappointed that you measured for 8 hours and missed that the right side is mostly a straight line. Other than that though, good job getting a lot of stuff close.

>>2783467
thanks, although i am not particularly impressed with it
>>2783469
i am not used to drawing for so long, because as i mentioned i was drawing for 8 hours, then 2 for painting. So I had to be patient and continue my work until its somewhat acceptable. I know its not 100% true to the ref because I was only measuring when I was drawing, with painting I took a lot of freedom, i wanted to be relaxing in a way.

tldr i improved my patience and my eye overall. Thats a good exercise for that

Anybooks about foreshortening and perspective?

>>2782641
I actually like this

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Is this correct?

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hmm Im going to stop digital
I drew some hands on paper and my digital ones are way more garbage for some reason

but even though all my digital ones are worse I think I improved from doing them

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>>2783544
for comparison ;_:

>>2783545
Are you drawing really tiny?

When working digitally, you can blow your canvas up to a huge size. Work in at least double the resolution your final image is going to be, zoom in and draw big, at least until you learn what you're doing.

>>2783182
me every time i draw from reference. overlaying it in photoshop does help to see where you're lacking though

>>2783575
its really awkward mostly because im drawing on a screen perpendicular to me lol

>>2783582
It's better to do the line-work on pen and paper and then switch to digital for rendering. I used to be one of those guys who thought it would be better to do everything digital but that disconnect you mentioned will always be a handicap.

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Anatomy is kinda screwed up.

>>2783712
Fix lower back, ass and arms, delete face and only start with contour lines for stuff like brows/eyes/mouth, then proceed from there to make a face.

>>2783712
Pull her jaw and brow out forward. Think in your z-axis more.

>>2783712
Your hands are too small, it's a big one for me too. Focus on the size of the hands, they're pretty fucking big.

I lack creativity. Is there a way to practice creativity or is it inherent only?

>>2783731
You draw, grow a library of items you've drawn in your head and then put some of them together. Creativity in many fields is something that can only be done by veterans. Don't worry about it.

answer this please >>2783026

>>2783731
solitude

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>tfw you get so into copying that you completely fail the point of the exercise

Also >>2782109

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>>2783712
I don't like how the head turned up but oh well...

>>2783163
it's really unlikely unless it's a really early snowfall or an unusual weather event. Deciduous trees normally drop their leaves long before the first snowfall or at least their leaves change colour

>>2783305
not bad. the boob next to the wall is a tad bit high and the perspective of the weight bearing foot is a little off but everything else seems aight. keep at it

>>2783534
well... the proportions are adequate but everything else could use some work. The figure is off balance and is gonna fall over to the left- try drawing a straight central line to help with weight distribution. the figure's hip box is drawn as a trapezoid which might be a personal thing but if you draw it as a rectangle (male) or an ellipse (female) it will help you with anatomy when you get to that stage. your neck is odd - the neck part of the spine should not be a straight line, it's curved. try reducing your scratchy lines.

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>>2782100
I'm trying double cel-shading for my next comic, but I feel like something's wrong.

answer this please >>2783026

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What do you think? The musculature is exaggerated for study purposes.

>>2783852
Chest insertions are too high

I have a question about rendering/blending...


I've gotten pretty good at blocking in colors, the shapes/colors are close to the ref, everything is great. When I try to 'finish' a piece though, it goes to hell. The shapes are lost, the colors get all muddy/shitty, the values get fucked. I've tried going slowly, using different brushes, etc, but no matter what it gets fucked. This does not happen when I do greyscale studies, so I'm lead to believe I'm missing some big thing about color/light. I have read the color and light book everyone posts here, but it hasn't solved my issue.


Are there some basics about blending color I'mi probably missing? Should I not add highlight until the end? Maybe I'm blending too many shadow/light colors together?

>>2783779
It's not -completely- bad - at least you're focusing on negative space. If anything work on your values and edge control when it comes to it.

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I tried posting it here >>2783895
but this seems like a better place.

Basically I'm working on a tattoo design my boyfriend asked for but I don't know shit about tattoos. Please help. Thanks

>>2783846
A lot of the shading here feels flat because it follows the outlines more or less exactly.

The panel with Frisk is the closest to what you probably want. The rest of the shadows tend to stay pretty close to the edge and the result is boring. Think harder about how shadows would hit them if they were 3d objects.

Also try to keep in mind where you're imagining the light source is. You're pretty consistent with this for the most part, but in the last panel the shadows are on the bottom on one leaf and the top on the other, which doesn't really make sense.

The second to last panel looks pretty nice though. I like the use of multiple shades of the shadows.

>>2783896
I pretty much have the same problem as you, but all i can recommend you is watching the vIDEOS CTRL-Paint did about rendering.

>>2783920
I have watched that, and every other tutorial/process video I can get my hands on. I can't figure it out lol. I have a feeling I'm doing something fundamentally wrong, I don't have this problem when I use traditional paints either. Hm.

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>>2782111
A critique would be good, thanks.

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There isn't much more I can do with this so I'll call it done. I would really like to develop a more painterly style because this airbrush look isn't doing it for me.
Please tear it a new one. I really want to improve.

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I attempted to darken all values to the point of total non-discrimination as they absconded yet further away from the vanishing point and intersected the most outward point of the camera's perception.

But that neck! Something about the human in general, and the poor value control bothers me. I need to go back to basics, but first I'm going to finish this

It is terrible, but you might find it convenient to have an introduction?

His existence is pain and all that

>>2783896
post work maybe

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>>2783919
Trying to make objects that are already flat seem three-dimensional is quite the task but I made an effort.

answer this please >>2783026

>>2783741
>>2783849
>>2784042

I'm pretty sure >>2783031 was your answer.

>>2784045
thats not really a great answer. of course im doing it with humans in mind, they are from reference after all.

is this a helpful thing to be doing?

>>2784047
I think you're misunderstanding that anon's answer. It's only helpful if you apply these to your drawings of humans and work on actually incorporating these shapes into your work. Just imagining the rest of the figure won't cut it.

>>2784057
are you telling me to move on from this?

Would anyone be interesting in a sort of beginner partnership? Someone to help keep you motivated and vice versa. I've always been able to accomplish things better when I team up with someone.

Basically all we'd do is share our work, progress. You can't be any worse than me, I'm just starting right now and I feel like me and someone else can't accomplish more if we keep each other in check. Anyone interested?

>>2784071
no, if you need someone watching you to stay motivated then you probably wont make it

also reddit r/artbuddy

>>2784075
You think so? Shit, now I'm even more unmotivated. I guess I gotta go it alone.

>also reddit r/artbuddy
N-no thanks.

>>2784077
>N-no thanks.
its not any worse than what you were planning desu. you think an anon from /beg/ is going to be better than a user from reddit?

>>2784081
Well you got me there. Maybe I'll try after all.

>>2784082
dont

>>2782100
>spheres in perspective
guides please

>>2784083
Why?

>>2784084
its just a circle lmao
>>2784085
I guess I gotta go it alone. was the correct answer

>>2784087
>I guess I gotta go it alone. was the correct answer
Alright, I'm gonna do it. Ironically this winded up motivating me a bit. Thanks man.

>Can only draw when I'm in the exact mood to practice
>this doesn't happen often
>many times I get frustrated with my drawings and don't complete them or scrap them completely

I've never committed to anything and it's why i'm miserable, how do you guys do it?

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>>2784087
sure it is mayte

>>2784089
reported

>>2784089
You just do it anyway. Repetition > commitment. That's a general rule of life

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>>2784064
can you be self-critical once in a while

it's a necessary skill in art and if you ask someone to hold your hand through every single process you unironically will not make it

>>2784133
desu mate i was going to anyway but its good to check back on /beg/ to see if you are doing anything drastically wrong before moving on.

how about not being a massive fucking bellend, why not consider that?

>>2784154
I wasn't intending to be aggressive, but if you wanted a hugbox the url is tumblr.com

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my 90segs poses
any advice?

>>2784172
dont draw with flux on

>human figure reference site
>everyone just does the same poses over and over.
fuck sake

>>2784186
What?

>>2784186
that looks like it was scanned in not made digital, sometimes scanners don't pick up pencils too well unless you make the lines extra thick.

>>2784172
go practice hands and ankles and feet. gestures are suppose to supplement your figure construction once you know how to do that to make them less tiff, they don't serve much purpose on their own. not bad for 90 secs tho but try to tone down the chicken scratching, make it cleaner

>>2784216
oh i see... it was scanned thats why, its a 6B pencil
>go practice hands and ankles and feet. gestures are suppose to supplement your figure construction once you know how to do that to make them less tiff, they don't serve much purpose on their own. not bad for 90 secs tho but try to tone down the chicken scratching, make it cleaner
got it, thanks anon :P

>>2782820
The only thing with doing digital is that it auto corrects your lines to make your marks more crips compared to hard work when trying to do it traditionally, I do both but, I do traditional more than digital. Also when you do the traditional method as opposed to digital you learn different methods of holding your tool, how to control it as well. Focusing on the point as well. But hey if you prefer digital go with it but I feel traditional can be way more rewarding in the long run.>>2784133

>>2784222
Auto correct lines? There's such thing? I had to control my strokes on my small intuos and refine the drawing in 2 to 3 layers just to get a clean line art. I draw better on paper even though I hardly touch it.

>>2783398
anon you need to work on your cylinders.

who /notgonnamakeit/ here?

>>2783712
symbol drawing

>>2783993
adequate values, but what is going on in the collar bone area???

>>2784089
always expect to be dissapointed and any increase in skill will fill you with goodness ya?

How important are the viewfinders in learning how to draw? I fucked up and bought cardboard that is too thick.

>>2784250
literally not at all
whoever told you about that was lying or misled.

>>2784234
It's hard to tell but I believe you know it happens when you start off by drawing a wobbly line horizontal or vertical the program will touch it up for you. layering and retouching on the other hand is different from what I'm referring to. Why do you draw better on paper as opposed to digital? Also why don't you use the traditional method more often?

>>2784259
i dont think that happens in any software

>>2784250
can you find the half of a space vertically then horizontally? that's all it does, helps you frame shit and helps you draw from observation by separating shit into 4 quadrants so you know what goes where for the most part.

>>2784286
when people say loomis head construction i think they largely mean his actual head placement thing. his proportion stuff isnt as amazing.

>>2784259
I lower the opacity and refine my line drawing by actually drawing over my shit lines. Similar to how you use light box. I don't think photoshop have that magic line function.

>>2783448
I don't think that is terribly uncommon. That's what I like about watercolors with a water brush. There literally no setup or cleanup.

>>2783464
Shitposting. Master-tier artists may have a sense of human proportion ingrained, but only because they studied and drew accurately so much it became intimately familiar to them, and to draw it accurately without that intimacy required some kind of learning tool, head measurements and otherwise.

Should i finish keys to drawing or draw a box first?

>>2784473
neither
kys

>>2784473
Warm up with Dab and focuse more on Keys to drawing.

>>2784473
Do both at the same time. They both work together. It may not seem obvious yet, but apply the concepts from one to the other and you'll understand.

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>>2782111

>>2783805
Thanks

>>2784484
hand on her hip not even close in the correct position. too far away from her ribs, and for gods sake finish the hand on her head. more of the elbow jutting out can be defined (at least with simple lines) to illustrate that it's at an angle and not facing directly sideways in relation to the camera (look at her right arm and elbow more closely)

other than that i like this and the fairly smooth lines; there is definitely a more refined gesture process you have compared to the rest in this thread, would love to see a finished figure by you

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>>2784572
some studies i've been doing trying to learn to paint and render, thoughts and tips please

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Still need to add fur/values.

>>2784572
Considering that highlight, the cast shadow is so obviously in the wrong direction (at least that's how I look at it) DO you have the ref?

A cast shadow in that direction wouldn't show the harshest highlight

>>2784572
Could use a bit more blending, especially in the highlight.

>>2784574
the colors look great, could use a bit more texture though

Is my anatomy correct?

>>2784572
You could also stand to know how to use soft and hard edges in painting.

http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/51913-Rendering-Discussion-quot-Edges-quot-Tips-and-Tricks

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>>2784582
Fuck, forgot pic.

>>2784583
hmm yeah thats a good point, ive been doing these with only one brush and having some variation might help

>>2784584
no, do you have ref?

>>2784484
Is this your entire sketch? It looks extremely clean compared to mine. How do you draw like this? Been reading Loomis but seems hard to see proportions and drawing them right without making it messy.

>>2784584
big head, tiny arms, tiny upperbody, weird legs
your proportions look really wrong

>>2784589
No, tried from imagination.

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>>2784603
legs too short head too big, quick fix with PS

>>2784624
>filename
Kek and thanks.

>>2784634
forgot 4chan shows file names lol,


yeah the legs should be as tall as the torso and head, also the knees should be lower than in my transformation but you get the idea.

good knowledge of anatomy just the proportions are a bit off, keep it up

>>2784572
4.5 outta 5 Floopsies

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I drew this with MSpaint with a drawing tablet I borrowed from a classmate. Those things are fun.

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>>2782108
An effort was made.

Post some hand refs pls lads

>>2784720
You have two, pick one and draw with the other.

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>>2784720
http://anatoref.tumblr.com/post/130653454426/hands-row-1-2-row-3-row-4-row-5-6-row-7

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>>2784576
Done

>>2784740
Why arent you paying attention to the reference? Everything is so wrong with your work, the angles, just everything. I dont get the point of doing something so wrong.

>>2784742
What the hell is this comment? No one sets out to do a bad drawing or to do something wrong. You make it sound like the dude said to himself "you know, I could draw this perfectly, but I'm just not going to."

>>2784009
because of the tilt, her right ear should be lower than her left ear. also I feel you went a BIT too dark overall on the left side of her face, even with dramatic lighting the contrast shouldn't be that strong between the light and dark side of her face. pretty good though.

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2nd ever draving in Photoshop

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>>2784815
and the 3rd

>>2784788
He didn't say 'why is it bad'
He said 'why aren't you paying attention? it is bad'

very different things

>>2784740

Measure measure measure!

>>2784788
That's what happens when a beginner try to critique another beginner.

>>2784734
I don't have good lighting tho

>>2784818
>Everything is so wrong with your work, the angles, just everything. I dont get the point of doing something so wrong.
---

>Everything is so wrong with your work, the angles, just everything.

>I dont get the point of doing something so wrong.

>>2784710
Take your time measuring anon! Look up videos on various measuring technique. The first time might seems slow but you'll get faster and better the more you do it.

Be patient. and measure.

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>>2782111

>>2784824
shut the fuck up, i wont waste time on doing a critique for someone who doesnt even give a fuck. Angles are fucking wrong, thats the first thing. The rest is so bad there's no need to say anything.

Anyone has references of skulls?

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What am I doing wrong?

>>2784875
I think the eyes are not alligned.
Mind to share the reference?

>>2784885
I tried doing it from imagination.

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Please rip me a new one, /ic/

>>2784893
it would look nicer without the black outline

>>2784895
I agree completely. What's the best way to go about painting over it? I'm a total newbie to this, so my process is pretty wacked out, and I need guidance

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>>2784875
I tried to do something with it instead of explaining everything

>>2784897
here's one way I approach it: lighten the line art layer until you can barely see it, set it to multiply then paint your values/colours underneath it while using the lines as a guide for your edges and construction. When your forms are moderately defined, turn off your line art layer and do further refinements from there.
Another way is to adjust the colour of the lines layer to something less contrasting than black and paint over them but i feel like this takes more effort

>>2784902
Yes! I see what you mean,
Thank you!

>>2784903
I'll try that. Thanks, anon!

>>2782100
I kind of draw quite at an "okay" level for now when I copy from references. What comes next? I can't draw for shit from imagination and can't do different positions for characters from mind. Hope someone shares a good book,video or comes with some advice. (I alrdy went through most literature from the thread on frontpage)

>>2784959
Literally theres not really a Book or something you can go through to learn to draw from imagination.
If you wanna draw poses from all position, do a shit ton of life drawing. And then just try to draw once whit out reference.
If you wanna do faces from imagination, just draw a Shit ton of faces.

>>2784842
Work on your face.

>>2784981
I'll try, thanks for the advice ;)

>>2782111
whom?

>>2784973
How many days would it normally take to become good at it? I only want to draw manga with "close to realistic bodies" , do I really have to life draw for this? Can't I just draw from manga artists I like?

>>2785023
A lifetime

>>2785024
If you're not helpful please don't reply in this thread, beginners r being bullied enuf in /ic/ with shit comments like that as it is

>>2784842
Only good one here.

Your eyes are too big on it but the body is great. Just need to do some face work in general.

You're gonna make it.

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>>2785023
To become -good- probably two or three years. Four if you're doing it casually. Maybe one and a half if you're NEET and draw for 8 hours a day unironically (but we all know that isn't happening). Focus less on the time it takes to get good because just like in your pieces, if you're concerned with the end result instead of the process, you're not going to make it.

>>2784815
What the hell?

>>2784816
This looks great, you should push the values more though.

>>2785031

Thanks! ;)
You are right, I think the head is a little bigger, and need more detail to work at. I will practice more on faces.

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what the leg looks like from this angle (with this body type)

>>2785061
thank

pencil keeps scratching my desk underneath the paper. whats a good, cheap, flat drawing surface i can buy?

>>2785082
A wooden plank

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>>2785044
Thanks

>>2785089
soft, not perfectly flat, dents, scratches, warps with humidity and temperature
shit tier answer desu mate

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how's this coming along?

>>2785094
I saw in Ikea the other day these large plastic desk covers.

>>2785094
How fucking hard do you push your pencil? I've been using a compressed wooden plank for years and there's barely any scratches on it, you savage.
Like the humidity and temperature of your plank is going to affect your drawing quality.

>>2785082
this surface
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio/overview

realistically though, an artist tote board or glass panel should be good enough

>>2785102
i like the face and the neck thing, but the pose is as stiff-looking as that axe handle; the inner elbow crease is too deep and down-curving; the knee is supposed to offset the line of the fibula and the femur in the leg, but does not appear to do so in the drawing; the suit's design appears mostly uninteresting and i can't tell what it's made of; and i can't tell what's going on at her shoes, the mask thing in front of her face, and on the flat surface of the axe head in particular.

>>2785102
oh and look at some ears

>>2785031
>Only good one here.
>Beginner thread

>???

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>>2785166
>being this jelly because no one called your picture good.

Kek

Anyone have any tips on getting better at values and blending with charcoal or pencil? I always end up with a muddy dark mess eventually even with erasers and stumps

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>>2785206
>not posting anything constructive and attempting to elevate himself by making putdowns on a beginner thread, instead of posting there himself

why are you even here

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>>2785236
I honestly feel bad for you that you are that insecure about your art work that one good drawing in a beginner thread has triggered you so badly.

Kek.

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>>2785241
whoa damn sorry forgot i was on 4chan, where shittalking and copypasta crits apparently makes you better at art

>>2785260
i will have you know that I, a bystander, support the other man in this dispute.

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>>2785277
looks like we all made our points
suppose we all learned something about ourselves today

>>2785294
>>2785260
>>2785236
All we learned is that you're a retarded fag who saves a bunch of pics of Kanye West.

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So right when I was about to sleep I mess around and did this. Is this a real technique? Like is there a book about it. This was done in 10 minutes with the doodling just take a minute or two.

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>>2785297
>you're a retarded fag

lmao

>>2782836
If the scatman can do it, so can you

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>>2785236
>>2785241
>>2785260
>>2785277

/beg/ isn't the place to cry like fucking children. Save it for /draw/ or especially /aasg/.

>>2785311
If you watch certain Youtube artists (first one that comes to mind is Ahmed Aldoori) they get their ideas out through a rough, blocky sketch then draw details on top of it. It's usually done for conceptual artwork -compared to what you did here, it's not entirely necessary because you're drawing from ref but I guess it works since your preliminary scribbles gets your proportions somewhat in.

>>2785312
What's so funny? I don't understand.

>>2785323
whats /aasg/ anon?

>>2785347
Angry ass suckers general

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Looking for some eyes and crits on this before I go in with values! If you're looking to roast me, please do so gently tho

>>2785363
It's decent

>>2785366
Any outstanding suggestions on how I can make it better?

Anon 2785366 you are clear to roast

>>2785371
The hat looks more like you drew a hat you think they look rather than what a hat would really look like. The backwards bill looks off I guess.

>>2785371
the haqt beak is out for the way most hats are, the collar of his clothes looks a tad off.

these are all nitpicks though, go ahead and finish it, for a /beg/ user its great.

>>2785390
>>2785390
>>2785390

>>2785390
>>2785390
>>2785390

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>>2782101
Any advice other than a hefty dosage of Loomis?

>tfw too scared for bullying to post my own work in this thread :(