/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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send help

>>2778244
>couldn't be bothered to draw face nor hands nor feet
help yourself first lazy fuck

>>2778251
I did but its too embarrassing so I covered them up

>>2778244
draw a lot more

>>2778244
why'd you block out the face?
If i were you, I would work more on the form before deciding colors. Also wheres your light source?

>>2778257
it looked like the source had two or three different lights

How accurate was my upside down drawing of Picasso's Igor Stravinsky supposed to be?
I'm doing the exercises on Betty Edward's book. Granted this is my second time doing it. I feel so insecure about it especially my grasp of the "frame "

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Posting this reference because someone mentioned Einstein last thread.

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babby's first loomis

hopefully i never get any worse than this

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Dear god I need help.

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>>2778343
You need some motherfucking gesture and you need to learn to fucking use your eyes and do visual measuring. Stop focusing so much on details when you can't get basic form and proportions down faggot.

>>2778275
Look stop stressing and feeling insecure. It should be as accurate as possible, so that when you flip it right-side up it looks the same as the ref. However you shouldn't waste your time trying to get that one drawing perfect upside down.

That exercise is just to teach you not to do symbol drawing, instead just to draw what you see.

>>2778344
That's what I need. Thanks mate, I'll restudy it now with the two Glens.

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>>2778289
Where's Einstein going?

>slowly learn how to draw
>one day get a bad flu
>cant draw anymore

what the fuck
was I cursed or something?

>>2778367
Maybe. Just draw every day. Use it or lose it.

>>2778370
I stopped drawing for half a day aaaaaaa

>>2778343
Longer strokes too. That sketch would look so much better if the line work was solid.

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>>2778372
A bit like this? I'm also practising transforming the reference a little. (camera in this case.)

>>2778367
sometimes you just have really shit days or even weeks. I've been drawing every day for the entire year but there are still days where I just can't get any thing out the way I want. Just gotta push passed it my family man.

>>2778367
plz be week 1

>>2778462
years of experience ...... GONE

>>2778464
be thankful for the cleansing. you learn so many bad habits over the years. rise from the ashes.

Anyone know if this is worth
http://www.bobross.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BS02

>>2778539
probably not

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crit?

>>2778811

Pay more attention to your accuracy, everything is off. Slow down and make sure every line, angle and shape is dead on. Ease up on the scribbles, it looks like you're trying to get some value, but it just looks messy like that. Practice getting an even tone with your pencil, and study hatching as well.

>>2778811
Looks like symbol drawing.

Im on loomis' head and hands, whats the best tip to help me memorize the face planes in plate 9?

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>>2778223
critten ples

>>2778343
focus on the form...also learn to gesture while you're at it. Don't just jump to the shadows....

>>2778374
what are proportions

>>2778811
draw several of each then ask for a critique.

I'm reading Figure Drawing by Loomis but I feel like I'm totally wasting my time. I need exercises to get good, to improve my manual skills, reading that the man is 8 heads tall or copying the plate is really going to improve my drawing ability?
I need a routine of exercises to get good

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Not feeling it today.

>>2778870
I would recommend reading Keys to drawing and/or Drawing on the right side of the brain at this point anon.

>>2778869
I would recommend, that you don't just read the book and copy the plates, but go to figure drawing class/night, draw people in public cafes/bus/whatever, look at drawings from the old masters and copy them, use photos, etc. the book is there to help you to draw a figure, but its only a supplement to drawing from life/imagination/photos, not a replacement.

>>2778847
The best system for learning for me is, to repeat it until I feel confident that I know what I am doing, then I apply it to something. You could copy it a couple of times then do a drawing from life (preferred) or a photo using what you learned from it. You could also try to re-draw it from memory.

>>2778947
Sorry thought a screenshot would Help with the size

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And the final one

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reference:
>>2777983

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does this look like anything to you lads?

i showed my mum but she said she just saw a bunch of shapes that didn't look like they make up anything

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>>2779020
ah shit sorry for the image size

I find it much harder to draw thing in photoshop with a tablet than i do on paper.

>>2779026
I'd recommend looking at Loomis' facial construction, it'll definetly help you out alot.

>>2778952
You're symbol drawing. You draw the eyes too big because you place extra importance on them (everyone in the beginning does this). You need to spend more time looking at your reference and less at your paper. Observe, measure accurately, and place your lines. Be patient with them, and if you haven't read KtD, I recommend it.

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>>2779026
The first thing you should work on is basic perspective. It is really subtle, and you won't see it in a person's face unless you measure just because of the way the mind works when looking at faces. Her face is in 3/4 perspective, so the features on the right side of her face HAVE to be bigger because the right side of her face is closer than the left side. Pretty simple right?

You should draw still life for a few hours before attempting another portrait. It will help a lot.

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>>2779026
also Anon, Just cause the back of her head is hidden by a hat in the source, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Drew this yesterday, thoughts?

>>2778859
Application is nice, but it looks he has two noses or it's melting off his face.

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>>2778231
1.5 hours and it still looks like shit.

I guess I have to practice more.

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Same reference as this guy >>2779020
Why do I suck so much and how do I improve?

>>2779072
Focus less on blending, more on getting forms down. Whew lawd too shiny.

Hmm, compare the right eye with your reference, you'll see the error there yourself. Chin is too long. Do you work zoomed all the way up into small details? If you're having trouble it's always good to zoom out A LOT to see your errors. Right cheek isn't out enough.

It looks like you're pretty swell at picking out values though, and you're definitely well on your way to where you need to be to produce decent portraits. Focus less on the time (and blending). Best wishes.

>>2779060
legs are too short. the crotch should be at the halfway point of the entire figure.

>>2779080
maybe the legs are the right size and the rest of the body is too long?

>>2779080
asians have those proportions

>>2779080
noted. she seemed a little to thick to me to. guess it was stubby legs

>>2779078
>Focus less on blending, more on getting forms down.
Thanks! I really needed someone to tell me that.

>>2779077
please?

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>>2779077
>>2779095
Your main problems are:
-inaccurate drawing (which is solved by doing exercises from "Keys to Drawing"; especially from chapter about measuring and negative space)
-inaccurate values (which is solved by practicing drawing from life and drawing value scales, like on pic related; make sure that you have some soft pencils or charcoal available).

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>>2779094
I'm really bad at telling if people are being sarcastic around here, but regardless, I hope you keep at it! It's exciting seeing people get close to producing nice things.

>>2779077
The time you're spending whining could be spent, y'know, drawing more. So shut up, you're off to a good start. The eyes are off, the perspective on the eyes are off... it looks like you did a little bit of a structural underdrawing but didn't really heed to your guidelines or weren't sure where to place them. Muck around the internet to find resources on facial proportions and draw more faces until they become a little more familiar to you.

>>2779097
>>2779108
thank you guys

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day 1 r8 I call it Antarctica

>>2779112
calling it garbage is more apt

>>2779112
0/10

>>2779113
>>2779114
well I draw for fun ok

>>2779123
no fun aloud on /ic/

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>>2779123
tastiest bait /beg/ has ever seen

>>2779127
it's not bait I'm teaching myself...

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>>2779113

>>2779135
>I'm teaching myself...
LOL
give up kid

>>2779135
Just a tip: Nobody is going to take you seriously or give serious critique with a drawing like that (in addition to admitting you do this "for fun."). /ic/ is autistically elitist. Do a concrete exercise or something that you didn't mindlessly doodle for three minutes on and maybe people will give their input.

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>>2779077
same ref as this guy's that guy

How?? Should I fix my approach to taking down proportions?? I didn't render this out at all either but I want to fix my approach for taking down the... framework or whatever first I guess

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spent about 5 minutes on it

>>2779157
shows improvement though

that should make it worth it

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Took way too long...

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How is it?
Any mistakes, suggestions for improvment?

A little note for the beginners in the thread; Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the brain are the cure to symbol drawing.

Work through one or both. Another thing is to ignore Betty Edwards pseudoscience. Her methods work but the science that she describes in her book are BS.

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>>2779166
I really like how the face's expression was handled - but I would improve the rendering of the hands as they look a little too sausage-y for my tastes. Maybe try to break up the hands into parts to avoid that? (pic included by @skwndcjfTm on twitter)?

I also would pay attention to how the fat of the buttocks/thighs falls, as it looks a bit odd in this version, but I think further rendering the pose might improve it?? Just some suggestions!!

>>2778345
>Being this retarded

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>>2779162
I think you replied to my deleted post. (forgot tor resize) if not just ignore this post.

Definitely there's improvement. Everytime I look at my earliest sketch and compare to my latest. It feels good.

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Havent drawn in my sketch book in a while

anyone have a guide or link to any good tutorials on starting with traditional from digital? I want to get into pen, pencil maybe watercolor or marker basics, start a sketchbook, etc. I am poor also.

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do you think im capturing the pose?
those legs are titties are distraction desu

>>2779174
Thank you!
The interlocking fingers gave me quite some trouble, even with multiple reference images.
When it comes to the thighs, the messy lines might make them look a bit weird, otherwise I can't see whats off about them.

I actualy never do any shading, rendering, painting etc.
So I'm basicly done with this picture.

>>2779214
no

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>Started to doodle now after a long ass break
> every face is in same angle
> can't bother to think for a minute and draw something else

>>2779228
That's what's called the "comfort zone." Stay in it too long and you won't make it.

>>2779232
yeah, i want to stay away from drawing humans for a while and focus on perspective and some basics for some time now, but animu comfort zone is so nice as a warm up to get the hand going without thinking

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not feeling it anymore

>>2779261
lol dafaq

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keep at it anons

>>2779307
if you want to motivate me dont post a picture of the man the ruined europe

>>2779332
the only thing that ruined europe was jewish scapegoats and false flags enabled by the germans.

>>2779336
what the fuck

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>>2779332
Take this instead

How am I doing?

>>2779377
great keep at it

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>>2779377
fuck it didn't include the picture

>>2779377
very minimalist aesthetic, I like whre youre going with this

>>2779379
Too big, try to do it 3 times smaller, I recommend reading the op

>>2779228
Use reference with different angles, what's the big deal?

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>>2779381
Sorry ^^;

>>2779389
are you sure those eyes are 50% of the way down the skull?

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>>2779392
I see what you mean. I was going for a look with the jawline, and I definitely over extended it. Is this better?

>>2779411
the jawline connects just behind the ear and its cartoony to show that connection with a line. not sure if you want to do that or not.

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>>2779418
Something more like this?

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anyone here read (Ernest R. Norling) Perspective Made Easy.pdf ?

I'm reading it now and I'm not sure if I'm learning much.

>>2779438
>>2779411
>>2779389
Different renditions of a leonardo difaggio with down syndrome, great.

>>2779430
A potato with a wig and what appears to be autism. Just fantastic.

>>2779441
Gee I dunno have you tried using your fucking brain?

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My last tackle at these upside down exercises before moving onto the next chapter of "Drawing with the Right Side of the Brain."
I got frustrated with the knight's foot, fucked up the positioning of the other shapes to assemble it right.
I need more tips....am I doing "symbol drawing"?

>>2779447
see a doctor immediately, there is something wrong with your wrist, these are classic symptoms
have you been doing regular stretching exercises during and after drawing?

>>2779450
>have you been doing regular stretching exercises during and after drawing?
I have. Been giving my willy the old wonka for a couple of hours.

Any suggestions on getting a better grasp on defining light sources from imagination?

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Tried doing something from imagination to figure out what to study next. can i get some advice/critique?

>>2779451
it will only get worse if you dont see a professional
I have seen many peoples drawing careers destroyed by such

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This thread is just a whole bunch of questions with no answers.

>inb4 surpised anime girl faces aren't art
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Though I don't tend to like this modern style of anime face.

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>>2779478
Forgot image

why do you think its so common for people to accidentally not attach pictures in the /beg/ thread
is it because they are so excited to share their images?

>>2779477
/draw/ doesn't want anything to do with us

we have to fend for ourselves

I haven't drawn in over a month. I'd like to draw right now, but literally nothing comes to mind. I really don't want to do another study.

>>2779500
Draw a shark for me? Please?

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In this one I'm experimenting with styles, as well as practicing my toads. I like how the 90s girl on the left turned out, but when I tried doing ut without the image I got the one on the bottom. I also like my toad, especially the upper left one. Gonna have to keep practicing.

>>2779489
If you're referring to the post above you, it's cause my initial photo rotated in clover so I took another but it still roatated so I just said, fuck it.

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>>2779520
Experiment with animeshit all you want, it's still gonna look flat and unappealing until you understand form to a good extent.

>>2779520
>too stupid to rotate
>try again
>still too stupid
>muh style
>"experimenting"
>only symbol drew features
trash, unironically end yourself

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>>2779513
Here is your shark.

>>2779520
Your post is literally cancer, huge size, shit art, didn't read the sticky, horizontal camera, please don't come back

>>2779550
not bad, even got some contour lines. pat yourself on the back for getting back in the game

>>2779550
This is super nice, damn. Better than I anticipated honestly. Please draw more, looks like you have a good set. Maybe try the 30 Day Head challenge around here? From imagination?

>>2779557
>From imagination?
More or less. I initially started with a gesture and some lines to position the shark the way I wanted. Then I looked at references for anatomy and refining some shapes.

>>2779447
Am I on the right track then?
Any tips for getting my sizing on the lines right?

>>2779570
next time rotate it. it's one thing to see a well drawn figure or actual photo upside down, it's another to see this incoherent poorly constructed (if at all) mess.

>>2779577
I apologize. I'll remember this for next time.

How can I avoid incoherent poorly constructed messes?

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I feel that portraits are too complex for me to draw without me reverting to symbol drawing, should I just stick to doing the exercises in DOTRSOTB?

I'm
>>2779430

Reference is pic.

>>2779605
this is a really good drawing

>>2779580
Anyone?

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yea

Remember when these threads werent so shitty?
When people actually gave Criticism and useful images people to study?

>>2779670
fuck you

>>2779670
quit crying that nobody crit your "study" that you worked for 5 minutes on

>>2779650
Try drawing any of the portrait ref above so we can evaluate better.

>>2779675
Nigger I dont even post here
I'd have better luck asking people at a McDonalds

>>2779676
I'll have it done by tomorrow. Thank you anonymous.

>>2779670
These threads are shit for 2 reasons.
1. Because of le so edgy faggots like this guy >>2779442
2. Only beginners come here so the only people that actually get good advice are people who are even below beginner tier, I.E. they're drawing boxes or symbol drawing. After you get passed that stage you either get vague suggestions, wrong advice (like saying symbol drawing even when it's clearly not, or "pillow shading"). And if you're at an okay level for a beginner, 9 times out of 10 people will just berate you and pass it off as advice or you'll get ignored and no one will help you.

I don't know if these threads used to be better but I've been browsing on and off for almost 2ish years now and they've always been kinda weak. The only way to improve them would be if some higher level guys took the time to come help out the beginners but that rarely happens and sometimes when it does happen the beginners are unperceptive and just bitch out.

/end of autistic rant

>>2779686
What even is symbol drawing?

>>2779689
basically it can mean two things imo. When someone is drawing from ref and they aren't able to see things in shapes so they end up drawing what they think something looks like. I.E. an almond shape for the eyes instead of maybe a triangular shape or w/e it actually looks like. The other is when people are drawing from imagination. I think symbol drawing then is when you aren't constructing things properly and putting them in the correct perspective. So someone could draw a head looking straight at us but the nose would be in side view.

>>2779686
then what's the point of these threads anyway if it's useless or potentially incorrect advice

why is anyone here if it's such a steep climb

>>2779697
You gotta have some where to keep all the beginners. If there was no beginner thread than they'd spill over to the draw thread or the alt thread and people would just get fed up. They're basically just a containment thread imo.

Is it possible to learn how to draw by miself? I mean, without attending to classes, just by reading books and practicing, being really focused on it. I'm not talking about fast improvement, just if it is possible to git gud without someone to teach you directly

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Did another one.

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>>2778228
>>2778233
>>2778235

>>2779826
There are plenty of people who've done that.

What makes you think it wouldn't be possible? Are you trying to look for an excuse?

>>2779166
the head seems a little small

>>2779261
I love this

>>2779848
The breast look like normal sized breast but only scaled down

>>2779862
really good in a quiet beginner way, you've got the spark imo

daily reminder not to listen to /beg/ when it comes to anything other than absolute fundamentals.

Zeuhl makes you better at art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY7UfIq2L_k

>>2780038
>noiseshit thats only listened to for the sole purpose of looking edgy

>>2780041
Look at them, it's the opposite of edgy. Post your supreme taste.

>>2780051
its pure edgy,
>post your supreme taste
buckle up fucko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fcmjDW9pws

>>2780057
Wow, all that generic fucking nothing. You sure showed me. Takes me to a place where I want to draw expressionless animu girls staring off into space.

>>2780066
confirmed non-sentient

>>2780057
Hipster nutrash, off yourself

Why does /ic/ have such shitty taste in music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtLHiou7anE&list=RDdtLHiou7anE

>>2780107
>le solitude is bad meme
HEY GUISE LOOK HOW LONELY I AM FEEL SORRY FOR ME
I HAVE SUCH LOW ENERGY SYMPATHY PLEASE

>>2780113
>I don't enjoy comfy music whilst i'm painting and prefer to listen to shit instead.
Wew lad.

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>>2780113
holy shit

>>2779862

Keep it up.

I don't know if you're just lazy but use layers. You're working in digital use the tools. Do your construction stuff in one layers then draw on another layer or if you want make a new layer and refine it again.

It's like drawing on light box with infinite pen/pencil and papers.

>>2779848
I think your proportions and understanding of anatomy are actually quite nice minus the legs, they look a bit off to me(might just be the lack of tone). I think you did a good job with the upper body, just the upper arm on the left(viewers perspective) might need fixing, the meeting between the lats/bicep seems off, it looks like they're just squished against each other rather than subtly overlapping like it seems like they should from this angle.

Your lines are hairy, be more confident with your strokes. Use single, smooth, confident strokes. If you fuck up just ctrl+z until you get it right. If you have a shitty tablet think about getting lazy nezumi, depending on your opinion of it as a crutch/necessary tool if even your most fluid strokes are shaky.


Overall its nice in a humble, digital way(that's a genuine compliment, sorry its so vague).


When you want to move forward I would strongly advise stop using white backgrounds, it will greatly hinder you from understanding value.

>>2780041

>calling that noise

Oh boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHUc6zy73W0

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any crit?

>>2779862
If you spent more time measuring and looking at your ref more carefully the eyes wouldn't be as symbol drawn

So uh, how the hell do you even know what to draw?

You guys are always talking about drawing for like 6 hours a day but I don't even know what to draw for like 10 minutes a day.

>>2779526
>>2779527
>>2779551
>Taking the bait

>>2780317

Okay. Well. Consider what you want to draw as a goal and what you can't draw in achieving that goal. What you're fucking up that gets in your way towards being able to create the things you'd like to make.

Literally make a list of those things if you have to. If you generally don't draw well, you're missing fundamental understanding of what goes into creating art. Study the fundamentals. Can't make coherent shapes? Draw shapes. Can't draw what you're looking at? Work on sight drawing.

Alright. So you can draw bodies. Kind of. The legs look funny, the arms dangle and are differing sizes, the face looks weird. What is it?

Start studying generals. Then start narrowing down your problem areas as begin to become more and more competent.

When you sit down to draw, you aim to draw the things you desired to draw. Doodle shit if you can't come up with an idea.

But if you cannot, cannot, cannot draw those things you want to be drawing and something is blocking you from doing it well: that's what you zero in on and study.

Out of ideas and don't want to doodle? Find a book or a lesson plan or a lecture video series and /learn/. Spend your time wisely. You'll become better supposing the day comes when you get that idea you want to draw. Don't procrastinate until you feel like learning or drawing freely. Do both.

>>2780327
Alright, I'll try and do that. I have ADHD so I find it difficult to sit down and do something for a long time but once I actually sit down and draw I tend to stay for a few hours without thinking about taking a break.

>>2780330

Also, I am not sure if I mentioned it (I rambled A LOT, god damn) but make a list of goals if you need to.

I feel silly as shit making to do lists and stuff, but it really does keep it in your head as something you can move through and mark off.

It's like having a story idea that breaks down when you put it on paper. That's a good thing. You need to put things out of your head to begin fixing them. However you got to, you have to pull it out, put it out so you can see its flaws and what you can't do, and get right to patching it up.

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He's stabbed

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>>2780347
My eyes hurt

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>>2780350
Some imaginary thumbnails

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>>2780352
House

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>>2780354
These are a few outputs; I need to reproduce this effort in one day, and now that I haven't any college in the way of my studies I'll go out tomorrow and do a ton of life studies at my favourite place.

You hate captchas on slow PCs as well, don't you?

>>2780363
I'm not worth five posts; I'm sorry

Have some funny music that makes you avoid transmogrifying your will to become the obsolete human of Earth and thereof the most consumptive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CQ86KMAYBk

Also ban me from /ic/

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is there a level of construction between the loomis one with like 3 shapes and drawing an actual skelleton with bones and muscles

>>2780312
Try using brushes that don't create sporadic water droplets; I like the hard brushes you have used, but why is the light source declining in value as it travels up the legs? Is the person a black hole?

Very visually interesting, though. I like it

>Monday: I should draw today
>Grab pencil and paper
>Open Keys To Drawing
>Put on some relaxing music
>What am I doing it would take too long for me to be good anyway
>Lay in bed rest of the day being sad
>Tuesday: I should draw today
I've been stuck in this cycle for months.

>>2780385
I hear having a pen your ass is really good for motivation

>>2780385
This is me

>>2780385
This is me

>>2780385
This is me

>>2780385
either do it or dont,
dont come here to shit up the thread with your infantile low-test complaining

>>2780393
Clearly not relaxing enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b0F0sHjUpI

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>>2779127
Hey /beg/ how's it going.

>>2780350
That's excellent shading but perhaps sharpen your pencil to give clear definition to the shapes. The pencil in particular is very blurry.

Also check your perspective, if the pencil is going away from you the top of it should be getting thinner and you should see much less of the rubber at the end. Great shading though.

>>2780352
great perspective

>>2780354
Unless intended, using a single colour for the line work when it is not black looks a little odd. It's okay for a doodle though.

>>2780452
Thanks very much anon; that's a nice Kermit the Frog as well

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>>2780452
Okay I'm retarded.

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>>2780385
Well. Time's gonna pass anyway. Might as well do something with it.

>>2780107

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZnEqeS0MY

>>2779453
Proportionally sound, but i'd wager it looks a bit on the blobby side.

Try studying John Asaro's Asaro head. It will quickly get you ahead in your imaginative studies after you have innate comprehension of those shapes

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Reference was >>2778237
I would especially appreciate crit on whatever the hell i did to his face. I redrew it a couple times but still can't stop mutating this poor man

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>>2780478
You squished it up a bit, and make it more fat.

I hate endorsing the ruler, but try to get your pencil, hold it so that it covers part of the features, put your thumb where the distance between the nib and your thumb measures the distance between the two features, like so shown in pic related. In that picture: i measure the distance between two nails in my shelf using pencil technique.

Do so for the chin and the distance of the eyes, too. That's likely where this went wrong.

Don't take the traditional proportional model as gospel; just don't stray to far from it, I'd say

Watch also the shape of the eyes; the left eye looks closer to the reference because it's slightly elliptical; eyes cannot contain a perfectly square shape and look accurate, because the basic shape of the eye is a sphere.

Beware of the shape and size of the lip; the top of the lip looks too big here, as if it had been puckered. Curve the lips around the jawline; lips are also 3d

On the other hand: I like the confident lines, and you are breaking out of symbol drawing. Now it's just the accurate measurements and analysis of shapes

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>>2780464

>>2780478
The body is well structures with a good amount of lines to show anatomy. Impressive hands and arms.

The head is very wide, it should be much thinner and slanted on the chin; the model's jawline has two lines at almost exactly 45 degrees each. The mouth is too large but a good shape, make it smaller. The nose is fine but erase that vertical line to the left.

as for the eyes, they are too squarish. Round them out like lemons.

Really the only major issues to do with the face are the mouth and chin. Be sure to place your finger over the mouth and chin on the picture on the screen, you will see what I mean.

>>2780486
Please keep making these

>>2780490
It's late in the UK and I am going to bed to lurk for a while, perhaps more tomorrow morning.

Glad you like them.

>>2778253
>Wants to improve
>Blocks out what needs to be improved upon

>>2780499
I spent some time working on hands after

>>2780483
>>2780486
Thanks for the good crit lads, and the pencil measuring thing as well, helpful asf

>>2780178
I never expected to get such a detailed and constructive critique, thank you so much!

I will try to focus more on the arms and legs, still a bit insecure about those.

When it comes to clean lines, i have to draw those realy fast to make them apear smooth, otherwhise they always look shaky.

>>2780018
Funny how big heads used to be one of my most common mistakes, i will keep it im mind tho.

>drawing through 3d shape
>refresh eyes
>optical illusion
>cant see it as going in the direction its supposed to be in
>drawing ruined
every time

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>>2778235

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hmm

>>2780580
Don't give up, i love you

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Hi,anyone tell me if I'm on the right path.
I'm having a real problem with the nose,also any advice or feedback would help a lot

>>2780582
thanks anon ;-;

>>2779214
Yes, looks good, fix some angles if you're going for accuracy

>>2779478
>>2779480
Atrocious bait

>>2779653
You symbol drew the eye on the hat
RRRRREEEEEEEEEE

>>2779447
It's fine, the first go around of her book it will not be perfect the first time you copy it. The German night always seems to stump people from what I have seen.

Keep working through the book, do this kind of exercise and the others no matter how useless you may find them to get better.

Once you nail real life drawing then onto loomis.

Good luck.

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hey /beg/, are there any books that show you how to make a scene from scratch? The process is a little bit mysterious to me

>>2780674
I want to say something like framed ink or skillful huntsman, but I sort of just skimmed them and wing it. Play with composition and value in thumbnails.

Anyone have some dynamic horse or similar animal poses? I'm trying to practice animal anatomy

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Am I doing it

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It's my 3rd time actually putting effort into to drawing. What do you guys think?

>>2780385
>start learning to draw so I can draw cute anime grills
>today I will finally do it
>start worrying if I'm stylizing stuff too soon without good fundamentals
>draw fifty boxes in perspective
>go to bed
>repeat

>>2780827
Meh, sticky. Go to Keys to Drawing or Drawing on The Right Side of the brain.

You'll need some stuff for the second book (viewfinders mainly is the big thing.) And you can ignore Betty's pseudoscience. But the book is great.

Do these get gud at Photo realistic drawing and you will be on your way to the top.

Good luck anon.

>>2780146
I kept the construction in to show my work
You know, like if my construction was mad fucked up someone could be like "Yo thats not how you measure a head"

>>2780839
Hmm Alright Yeah, I wasn't looking for photo realistic if that helps

>>2780865
If the end result looks decent that means it work. Even pro's mix up their head construction some even have their own method.

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>>2778235
T H I C C

seems it's back to plates for me

>>2780872
He's giving you generic advice because this is primarily an illustration board that (mainly) deals with things that don't look like a third grader's art project. Don't worry about it.

>>2780919
Well, I guess I shouldn't really bother being here then thanks for the heads up

>>2780929
Feel free to post what you want, but it's hard to give directed critique over something not as ingrained in the fundamentals like a cutout flower.

>>2780933
So what you're saying is draw something random as opposed to generic?

>>2780937
I'm saying look at the thread and the atmosphere of what's posted. Figures. Perspective-oriented exercises. Drawing portraits. Not a lot of people posting crafts.

>>2780938
I did look through the thread and see that but there was also some different posts that didn't deal with perspective plus I mean when I saw beginner i generalized it as pretty much everything. Either way sorry if I posted a "craft" if I could delete my post I would

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I've slowly been working my way through the first loomis book after reading the sticky and I got to the page where you need start drawing serious stuff but everything I draw has a cartoony feel to it.
Why does it look so cartoony?

Ears are difficult as hell. Mine look like slabs of cauliflower stapled to the side of a head.

I'd like prevent myself from establishing bad habits I will have to consciously get rid of later.

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Sketch sketch and sketch

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No clothes yet

>>2781119
i like this a lot for what it is.

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im trying to draw a yeti but im having a hard time capturing the likeness

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aand im going to call this finished. im not really at the skill level i need to be to push too much more detail without sinking lots of time into it

>>2778223

I like this character I made, but I can't replicate her—none of my other sketches match the proportions. Who relates?

>>2781172
Guilty

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>>2778233
I draw since a month, what do you think?

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Any points on this?

I at first thought that her leg in the air was too short compared to the other one, but then I realized that the reference has her foot bending BACKWARDS slightly, which shortens the foot making it look weird on the reference too.

How does this translate to you?

side note, is the shading too muddy? It's like it has too much grey in it

>>2781277
The lower leg looks shorter than it should be, maybe that's why it seems off to you. Her left arm looks longer than the right arm as well. When you're drawing things that are farther away it's generally better to err on it being smaller than it should be rather than larger, that way you can at least play off it going back in perspective.
Your problem with the shadows aren't necessarily how grey they are but how splotchy they are and how they relate to the local color of the skin. Grey shadows wouldn't stand out as much if it wasn't so pink. The shadows on the left arm don't seem to make much sense, and the limbs are bending in weird ways. If you're unsure of the anatomy, rather than trying to translate it it would have been better to exaggerate the gesture and make the forms more fluid. Look at how John Asaro paints his dancers, for example.

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Just realized I still symbol draw, damn. Back to basics.

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Sorry a bit of dump. I forgot to post yesterday, so heres yesterday + today`s stuff.

>>2781225
keep going...

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>>2781322
You're emphasizing details that either aren't there or are barely visible in your reference. Work in simpler shapes and omit what's not important, rather than trying to construct everything. And clean up your shit anon, your construction looks really messy.

>>2781353
How bad It is?

>>2781379
Thanks! Yeah, my initial process is really messy.

>You're emphasizing details that either aren't there or are barely visible in your reference. Work in simpler shapes and omit what's not important, rather than trying to construct everything.

Will do, will do! Thanks again.

I want to take a university course next year relating to digital character design or graphic design, however I'm still pretty /beg/.
Do university courses teach you anything to make you better or is it all coursework where I'm distinct to struggle?
Should i take a year off and improve myself or go now with friends?

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Can you help me please with this i cant find a nose+mouth that go with this style (im beg)

>>2781414
In the small chance that this isnt bait, stop drawing Anime and go read the sticky.

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Critique?

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>>2781414
Try this

>>2780584
The eyes doesn't get that small unless it's REALLY far away or the person have some sort of condition. Look at mirror then slow turn your head sideways. Observe and analyze.

I also suggest you work on your head construction, features placement and anatomy. I recommend Proko.

>https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJ5qWb7oJygtdFZ_tydfRRUXM78hoVD_u

>>2781414
oh boy here we go

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Values

>>2781603
Symbols

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>>2780347

I dropped the ball again

Blatantly: I need to go back to a zone where my anatomy and likeness skills can be refined; but a critical analysis of where I went wrong from another person may aid my direction

It's not supposed to be Twilight but it reminds me of it and it scares me

How the fuck do you draw something in perspective that isn't perfectly aligned to a grid? Everytime I see a tutorial on perspective it always deals with these boxes or city blocks that are perfectly aligned with each other. Do you just kind of wing it? I've struggled with this for an embarrassingly long period of time and I'm about to tear my hair out

>>2781162
Donald trump has heavy eye contours due to eyelashes. Eyelashes are so small and thus usually neglected by beginners, but they are such a staple. A person without eyelashes looks terrifying

>>2781644
This isn't Dreanseay, by the way; it's Sovenric

>>2779442
>Gee I dunno have you tried using your fucking brain?
How is that supposed to work?

Starting off to do faces, is it better to just edit the image and turn them to b&w for values or eye the values from the actual color and lighting?

>>2781693
B&W is good for starting out so you have one "dimension" to worry about getting accurately (just values instead of values and color)

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How do I not symbol draw

>>2781715
By taking your time to measure. That's how I cured mine, anyway.

Also your values are too weak. Need darker darks especially on all of the shirt and the hardest shadows on the face.

>>2780945
The whole point of this thread is to take people who can draw stick figures and make them do perfect pencil drawings of anything in real life.

The cool stuff is in the drawing thread. In order to become good at drawing you have to master IRL drawing before hand(IE this thread).

I know the flower you drew was cool, but most of the people here are beginners working through Loomis or the symbol drawing books.

keep at it lad.

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>>2778231

>>2781729
What did you learn?

>>2781719
>Taking your time to measure
Explain please

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>>2781771
Keys to Drawing has a few chapters on measuring, after understanding that, most of it comes down to

>pic related (observation)

>>2781651
not sure what all that has to do with trump but good call on the eyelashes

what part of RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS: do people not understand?

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ughh i suck at fast sketches

>>2781869
Speed is not your goal, /beg/gar. Accuracy is. Once you get good, you'll get faster naturally.

>>2781895
i know, i just mean that the ones at the middle which where done with like 60 second constrain are really bad. the other two were given more time. I still need to improve a lot this is just my progress and am open to critique that can help me improve in the right direction

>>2781901
Did you intend the ones in the middle to be gesture? Because you're already going to know what I'm going to say.

>>2781869
shadows on the far left are what
maybe draw the model on a 3d grid to give yourself a better idea of the depth or draw models and grid them before adding shadows

>>2778223
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
I think you fine people will appreciate this website. Maybe put it in the next /BEG/ OP post?

Everybodies drawing figures and shit and i'm just over here drawing lines circles and boxes......

>>2782020
you wont improve doing autistic shit like that

>>2782020
You're not alone
Basic shapes are all I have the courage to draw

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>>2782027
>>2782020
>courage

What the fuck is wrong with you two? Do you not go to the gym because you're intimidated by the big guys there who will notice you? (they don't give a shit btw)

You need to accept that your figures aren't gonna be perfect. But going through the shit is what's going to make you good when you learn and apply what you learn. Otherwise, have fun with your boxes in perspective. Look at all the /beg/ in this thread - they draw even though it's not the best but what's important is they learn from it.

At least this is the vibe you're giving me.

>>2782020
>>2782027
ngmi's

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ahhh

>>2782032
I'm >>2780831 and >>2782027
I want to draw qt animu grills but in order to do that I need to get good at real anatomy from my imagination before I stylize
but in order to do that I need to get good at drawing real people from reference
but in order to do that I need to get good at perspective, foreshortening and construction
and finally in order to do that, I need to get good at drawing basic shapes in perspective.
I've done like fifty boxes in perspective a night for a month straight.

>>2782100
>>2782100
>>2782100

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>>2782100
>>2782100

>>2779155
>spends 5 minutes making shitty drawing
>expect criticism

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>>2780792
You just inspired me to sketch a bunch of animals. Thank you anon

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I just don't understand how to paint eyes...