/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2753416
wow, nosebro made it into the op image! so proud :)

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What is the art style called in these images?

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Why it looks decent on lines but bad without lines?

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>>2753544

>>2753546
Wonky edges and not enough gradience in color

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finally did the eyes from chapter 1 keys. i understand why you guys wanted me to go through this book now in terms of symbol drawing my portraits

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>>2753652
and the tonal matching exercise

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>>2753654
and the freehand/controlled drawing exersice. thats all i got for now

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>>2753654
fug i realized i have a better version

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my first full bargue drawing ever, is it complete garbage or can i move on? i plan to do more of these of course

>>2753684
Go back and fix the top lip.

>>2753691
i know there are few mistakes here and there but ive been doing it for three days now, i just want to move on

>>2753544
>>2753546
It looks bad either way.
But it looks even worse because the gray of the edges kind of blend with the background

>>2753684
dude i think you need to improve your knowledge of lips first and work on sight/size method (look up dorian iten "accuracy" gumroad, it's free)

>>2753546
because you have no occlusion shadows, and your lines are mimicking the missing occlusion.

go read Gurney or Scott Robertson "rendering" pls!

there's also a lot of other issues with anatomy/form/structure but ya.

>>2753652

the eye is a sphere, stop drawing eyes so flat

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>>2753416
Has anyone done this? I have Clip Studio Paint so would this still apply?

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been playinh too much battlefield 1

>>2753684
Which one is the ref?

>>2753652
because it's hard not to symbol draw?

>>2753652
Great!

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>>2753896
I literally cant even
:^)

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How is this?
Can someone give some crit please?

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My scanner always messes up my ink, but you get the idea. Suggestions and feedback, please.

>>2753911
Mirror your image. The mouth is slightly askew and it's hard to tell but she may be missing a chunk of her cranium

>>2753917
How often do you do draw from life? If you learned more about how the body works by doing studies, in two or three weeks you will accumulate your noob gains and your anatomy knowledge will get exponentially better.

>>2753918
I draw probably every second picture from at least a reference nowadays. It's just kind of hard to find pictures of naked young girls, you know?
Is there something in particular (apart from her face) which is bugging you, anatomy wise?

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>>2753921
>hard to find pictures of naked young girls

Not trying hard enough.

>>2753918
could you red line the area's please?

>>2753924
nigga I aint goin back to prison

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>>2753928
I'm a beginner, so take it with a grain of salt. Observation: if you moved her hair away, what would her head look like? It is too low. Also she's got a Jay Leno chin but I'm sure you intended that.

>>2753932
Thanks man

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Need help?

>>2753921
> pictures of naked young girls
fucking pedo kys
Also doing generally more studies, like, without symbol drawing, would be of great benefit to you. Even of older girls.

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>>2753957
I believe the correct term is "hebephile"
Look at this non-stylised adult woman, not nearly as cute.

>>2753960
>implying that isn't cuter
Also, do you really intent to make those huge eyes? Like, I feel like the eyes are the thing that makes most of those earlier works so nightmare fuelish.

>>2753917
It's like you don't know how anime you want the drawing to be.

>>2753963
>>2753965
I only just got back into drawing recently. I'm gonna just do studies and try doing random styles and experiments until I land on something that works. Until then you get studies and awkward semi-anime works in these threads. I was definitely thinking about smaller eyes though. Thanks for the input.

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getting back into the swing of things after not doing shit for a few months.
I felt really shaky on everything so I went back to drawabox, but I'm still doing figure studies. I painted this without ref to see how far I'd get, I'm not exactly pleased with it - but it feels good to shake the rust.

>>2753979
I dont get that top lip.

>>2753983
I need to study lips lmao, thanks for pointing that out.

Really need some crits for direction

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Critique please.

>>2754004
Bad. Go practice more. Re-read draw a box.

>>2754004
which way it goes? #trippy

>>2753917
this is some damn creep drawing pham

>>2753539

Etching, broski

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Are these boxes good?

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drew this a bit back, opinions?

>>2754189
they are fucking boxes drawn with vanishing points and a ruler, this isnt practise, you might as well plot a graph.

also your vanishing points are too close, it looks warped.

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A recent page of mine. Practicing shading with a 01 technical pen mostly

Help an idiot please,

I fucked up. My first submission on Deviantart somehow is repeated twice in it's category for the public browsing. Literally same submission, appears twice. Feel like an ass.

How the fuck do I undo this.

>>2753896
gettingthere.png

>>2753896
betterthanme.png

>>2754232
Neat training.

>>2754232
learn to gradient. but i like,what youre doing so far

>>2754234
>public browsing
itll be hopeless buried in both categories in like an hour so i wouldnt worry about it

>>2754250
Fuck it. So embarrassed by my first submission it's going into my scraps. 16 views and 3 likes in 12 hours, which I think is OK for a first-ever submission with no followers, but I can't stop spotting technical errors.

I want to not look like an ass pinging my art back to the top of the "new" feed, but I don't know if re-uploading the image on the submission and/or moving back from scraps will put it back there.

Will it?

>>2754243
Thank you, I only hope its not for waste. Using the book Pen and Ink: a Simple guide for all this.

>>2754249
Thanks as well. I do practice gradation as well. I find the 01 point ideal for shading, while using an 005 or a 003 point to smooth out the transition of gray.

>>2754232
As you can see on the thumbnail your gradients are not top notch. A good remedy is to squint your eyes while drawing. Nice exercise.

>>2754262
what are you talking about? there aren't even any examples of gradients in the picture.

>>2754254
post blog

>>2754254
Unless you are some da famous artist, like fucking sakimichan, nobody will care.

>>2754254
dont use deviantnart, it will just demotivate you, use a place where people are generally more skilled and the community has a focus on high quality and improvement.

>>2754224
Just wanted to know if I was doing the exercise correctly. They ask you to do it with a ruler by the way. I'll do the vanishing points further apart next time then.
Thanks, I guess.

>>2753835
whatever, i will get better eventually

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>>2753416
wow my pic is in the OP is that good or bad?

>>2754234
what's your username?

>>2754303
bad but its ok we are here to improve

>>2754004
blog?

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Same anon as >>2754232

>>2754249
>>2754262
Did some gradation practice with crosshatching. Top one with 01 while the second with different widths.

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>>2753416
Anyone have Leg Anatomy References?

>>2753440
Thats not me though

which one is correct?
they are perfect spheres with circles along them.
also goes for the vertical too but i didnt draw that

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>>2754369

>>2754346
did you do this in ms paint?

>>2754346
>156x252

>>2754372
>>2754376
Yes, I like paint.

>>2754382
at least draw bigger, shit
also dont tell me you are using your mouse.

>>2754384
I'm not, and the drawing itself was bigger but I find it easier working in lower resolutions.

How do you do value studies? You take a colored picture and then what? I work in Photoshop

>>2754390
study the values

>>2754397
what i meant is how do you make a picture black and white for a value study

>>2754400
dont use colors

>>2754400
image - mod - greyscale

>>2754403
thanks

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Alternating free/controlled hands exercise, is it clear which is which?

>make mistake
>use eraser
>fucking huge black smudges across the entire area, obscuring everything
millions of years of creating art and we still dont have a good solution. consciousness was a mistake.

I watch a bunch of different artists on picarto and twitch and I notice that 90% of them draw pretty good line work zoomed out to 16% ~ 33% with a small ass brush. But when I try it I can barely see the damn brush icon and my lines are awful. I literally have to zoom in to like 200% or more to have barely passing lines. I use the Giano and I hate the nib that presses into the damn pen.

>>2754413
Ctrl+Z is the only good solution.

>>2754303
>>2754311
it's not bad, it's hard to choose "what the /beg/ thread is about" in terms of choosing the image and now pick anything with color because all of u FUCKS do shit in b/w or lineart (but i dont blame so)

how many times should I repeat the exercises in Keys to Drawing?

>>2754413
use a kneaded eraser?

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>>2754449
infinite amount of times hahha RAAAWR


UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAGHHRHRHR

>>2754456
no...noo!!!

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Didn't touch a pencil in decades.

can someone take random pictures of shit around their room im running out of shit to draw around my room.Even people and faces would work

>>2754271
>blog
Probably a good idea, but I also like DA's features.
>>2754274
>famous
Don't care myself, I just worry about netiquette
>>2754276
>dont use deviantnart
What would you suggest?

Trying to do anthro really limits me for where I can post, eg not even here.
At the same time, nobody on furry sites actually visits to critique. Looking at the frequency of their replies to critique requests, I'm better off just not posting at all.

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>>2754501
I got you fampai.

>>2754508
thanks my dude

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>>2754322
update on this before heading out with the family. Did some general gradation with different tools besides technical pens. Liking the feel of the ballpoint to be honest.

>>2754503
>netiquette
fucking looooooool

>>2754382
>>2754387
>>2754346
pls tell me you are at least using 2016 paint?

>>2754346
moar

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I'm having trouble with the tree's textures
What is wrong and how can I fix it?

>>2754536
Nien
200Nien to be exact. I've used PS, Krita, Corel, Sai, and mypaint and recently I found just plain old MSPaint my favorite.

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>>2754572
>>2754625
And one more in color.

The pelvis is about roughly half the height of the ribcage right or am I being retarded

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Are these considered Gestures?

If so what one looks best?

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Studying Loomis, keep getting carried away
Should be focused on getting the proportions and properly setting up the construction before this shit

>>2754713
you're drawing stickmen

people who aren't beginners can sort of muhstyle their gestures because they understand the underlying themes and reasons why they style it, but if beginners don't understand the powerful curves of the body in a pose, your things will come out stiff and weak

try vilppu

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Confused in terms of direction

Hey guys I need to buy a decent monitor.

If I buy an IPS like people recommend, is it good to go out of the box, or do I need to tweak it?

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i heard vilppu is good for people struggling with gesture can someone link me a pdf of a book of his? pic related, im struggling.

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>>2754606
pls respond

>>2754606
Stop dicking around and pull up a reference. It's not a flat texture.

>I want to make something beautiful and touching
>know i'll never possess the skill to do so

sorry for blogpost

>>2754939
Not with that attitude, you won't.

>>2754941
I'm literally starting from 0 at 23.

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>>2754939
>>2754942
>he's using his age as the excuse

don't take up a bump limit and leave the thread to people who want to improve and do what you don't have the discipline for

>>2754942
yeah same here, except 24. In one month I've completely blown myself away with how much I've been able to improve (from shit to slightly less shit) and how much my view of pretty much everything is starting to change. That book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is blowing my mind with every chapter, pick it up. Don't make excuses.

>>2754948
> Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
link?

>>2754938
I do have a reference.
What makes it look flat?

>>2754951
I bought a physical copy, but it should be easy to find just by googling it. It's one of the most popular starting books. Betty Edwards is the author, if that helps.

>>2754499
Bowie's lips are not that big

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>>2754927

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mydjmthwmtn/Vilppu+-+Figure+Drawing.pdf

>>2754953
Lack of irregular value shifts throughout the object to indicate form change.

>>2754322
looks good, you went a bit heavy on the darks for the bottom gradient but thats probably because you were playing with different pens

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>>2754833
How does one define a gesture?

What makes a gesture different than a construction? I'm trying to learn the differences as I was told my previous 'gestures' were not 'gestures' but more along the lines of construction.

I'm trying not to 'construct' just yet. I watched some proko and tried a few references for 'gesture' are these better?

When I construct my art comes out too rigid. I'm trying to understand the concept of 'gesture' for fluidity an motion.

Hey guys is drawing on the right side of the brain a good book?

>>2754987
Those are already better than the previous ones you posted. What separates gesture from construction is gesture is the feel, and construction is more geared towards refinement. Just keep working on your gestures and your figures will feel more lifelike.

>>2754990
Post something you've drawn and we'll tell you.

>>2754987
i've asked this question many times before and everyone is fucking useless in explaining it. they will all use wanky words like "feel, flow, energy" and other bollocks which precisely means nothing.

its impossible to get a straight answer out of anyone.

>>2755008
A gesture drawing is a contour sketch, normally of a figure in motion, or emulating motion.

Good gestural drawing is considered to have exaggerated form and movement while still being naturalistic.

Since the art of simulating movement using soft transitions in value has been ignored for a while, good gesture is also considered to be in its prime when it has little to no rendering.

And yes, most artists have very, very poor articulation about their processes.

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I was told to come here from another thread. Said I lacked fundamentals. What did I do wrong with this one? Criticism welcome! (Also, this is not a human, its strigoi from the Strain novels)

>>2755048
Oops, forgot to mention, the bit in the middle is an older version of the piece, because I revisited it.

>>2755008
I had the exact same mindset and frustration as you for three whole months of incorrect gestures.

It'll take time and it'll click.

>>2754987
I'm no expert, but I understand gesture as movement towards a point(s). For instance, recoiling and lunging are two different gestures because all the action of the figure is going forward and backwards, respectively.

>>2754675
Thank you anon. Could you upgrade the size?

>>2754346
>>2754675
bad

>>2755086
nah its aight, he just has some stupid habits like low res and paint.

>>2754346
>>2754675
I don't know why, but these have some weird charm I really like. Some fundamental practises on paper and pen could probably help you do shit better though.

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guys, how did I do?

>>2755094
terrible you belong here

>>2755094
whats that on the right?

>>2755094
10/10 perspective son, you're gonna go far.

>>2755101
I got bored half way through drawing and played naughts and crosses against myself

>>2755094
What am I looking at? I think you're trolling.

>>2755105
Art.

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I need some critique

>>2755104
kys

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when doing loomis head construction. is there a way to know this blue line or do i have to do it by eye?

>>2755112
Fuck off, it's his interpretation of art.

>>2755115
fuck off, I'll have you know I'm an art critic IRL and I will find where you live and draw a shitty perspective image on your garage

This thread is degenerating. Please someone post something worth discussing.

>>2755116
Fuck off you macaroni painting kike fondler

>>2755117
>>2755114

>>2755117
see >>2755111

>>2755120
>>2755117
>>2755114

samefagging this hard

>>2755117
>>2755094

>>2755122
2/3
almost

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>>2755117
How do I improve this?

>>2755120
Turn your lines into heads and faces, this is too basic a query to give direction too. You have to learn from experience. draw a lot of heads and faces.
>>2755121
It's off-centre, it's basic. What is there to critique?

>>2755127
Add a neck, unless this is an Xman with levitation powers then that's inspiration!

>>2755128
that wasnt what i was asking. i asked if there was a way to know that line or whether it has to simply be drawn by guess.

Fuck I'm having a giggle now. You guys are aids. You guys are vermin. You need to go back from whichever board you spawned from.

>>2755130
just do what I said, you'll learn jesus

>>2755131
but how to improve the quality of linework in my shitpost?

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>>2755129
does this fix it?

>>2755136
yes, submit to tate

>>2755135
woah there, isnt that a bit harsh? what did he do?

>>2755136
Vast improvement, I see you are challenging yourself to mix you brights and darks. Just add a little more mass to the neck and you are gonna make it.

>>2755138
thanks for the vote of confidence, send me your paypal and I'll pay you for it you're obviously an art collector

>>2755136
Better than 1000% of /beg/

reminder to report shitposts

>>2755136
no, but this is the thread for you, so lurk more

>>2755141
sent ;)

>>2754969
thanks anon

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What happened to the thread guys

>>2755173
Bitterness and depression

Is this where i post spongebob memes?

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>>2753421
Need some crit please

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>>2753421

>>2755195
You need to measure better. Compare your drawing and the ref: head too tilted to the left, nose too low, and downright wrong angles all along the cheek.

http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

Go through that. Anon linked it in >>2753704 and it was crazy helpful. Your next drawing from ref will be a whole lot better.

>>2755196
>>2755195
or you could just go through KTD again

>>2755189
Honestly, work in traditional.

Keep in mind that line conveys value, and value conveys form, so your lines are currently conveying a whole lot that isn't there.

Spend way, way, way more time in the construction phase. Measure twice, cut once, after all, and your preliminaries were off from the get go (just look at the head tilt, or lack thereof).

Also read keys to drawing and loomis or whatever the fuck. Read something.

>>2755196
thanks for the tip. I will try that

>>2755199
Thanks I will try

>>2755183
no fuck off

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how is this figure? ive been struggling with figure from imagination so i tried to do a a basic pose but of a man because i never draw those.

>>2754889
her nips are pointed outwards as they should. she is looking down and to her left. her left leg is pointing slightly to her right. she herself is actually stationary so theres no direction there. hope that clears things up

>>2755223
needs a meatier dick

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Can someone redline please? /alt/ thread says its disgusting.

>>2754521
i could be wrong about this so hopefully another anon chimes in, but i thnk youre going a bit heavy on the darks on some of these. like in the thumbnail its just a black bar with a little bit of grey and white and the end on the bottom gradient. other than that start working on shading the forms (cube, cylinder, etc)

>>2755257
is that it? ill be sure to make it extra big for you when i start painting, also do you want veins?

>>2755258
I can already tell you the hand giving the letter is fucked.

>>2755223
>using heads
>not craniums
One job Anon

>>2755309
wut the almighty loomis uses heads.

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help...

Sorry for the shitty photo...

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>>2755258

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Require guidance

>>2753425
i think i did ok on the face, but i fucked up pretty much everywhere else, esp the hand. my main question is: how would i go about shading this? the tones look even for the most part, just the local color changes

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>>2755567
oops

>>2755558
Can you be more specific ?

>>2755570
What needs work
What exercises or books do you recommend
Do I keep studying from images
Do I kms

>>2755573
Can you link your reference?
Your model seem to have very smooth variations in the light and in the dark, it is not good for value study. If you want to work on your value, try a sculpture with a large panel of greys.
If you prefere to work on drawing, take a model in this thread, put a 3*3 grid on your reference, do the same on your canvas. Use only line, no shading. You win when your lines match the reference. Enjoy.

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>>2755258
The end of the sleeve of her arm holding the letter kills the foreshortening, that circle at the end and the wrinkles of the sleeve is suggesting that her arm is flexing down rather than in front of her. Change them so the sleeve looks like the arm is aiming at the front rather than under her.

Tip for foreshortening and hands. Has someone played a prank like "did you that if your hand is bigger than your face means you have cancer (then proceeded you slap your face with your hand in it)"?. Well it turns out that our hands are almost the same size as our face (kids and babies are the only exception). That right hand looks like an anorexic baby hand. And as for the foreshortened hands when in front position they are always almost the same size as our entire head (rather than just our face).

Both arms have fucked up wrists. When foreshortening a hand, the palm still sticks out because of the curvature. The other wrist is to thin you can probably break it just by touching it. The wrist size is almost always the same size as our hand grip (try graving your wrist with one of your hands or with one of your fingers and your thumb).

Her torso is fucked up. A torso is usually 4 heads tall, in the fourth head is supposed to go the ass and genitalia.

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>>2753421

>>2755196

It was kinda useful, I wasn't expecting miracles anyway, but I guess it's better

requests for a mediocre artist?

>>2755197
>>2755195
>>2755197

or you could just use your fucking eyes

>>2755631

... To reread KTD?

What the fuck are Bargue plates? What is the purpose? How do I do them?

>>2755610
It's already better. Your accuracy skills will shape up in just a few weeks. Just remember that it's a grind and to keep up the momentum.

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>>2755584
heres ref
idk how to get the correct facial structure

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I hope the trees look rounded now
What do you think?

>>2755655
Doing something like that in grayscale would be smarter I think

>>2755655
is this for a fluffy abuse comic or something?

Most helpful comprehensive video series over many topics that isn't very complicated and overly in-depth? So far I have proko videos and paint.net videos on my list, but are there any others I should not miss while trying to learn everything properly? No books or reading materials I am not interested in those, only videos.

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>>2755653
Difficult values confirmed.
Accuracy training : Try with pic related, no value just lines?

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any tip ic?

How do I get out of the phase of drawing everything flat? I try to draw shapes in perspective but I suck ass at it. No matter how in perspective I try to draw things everything still looks flat. This is by far the biggest hurdle for me so far. Faces, limbs, everything looks flat. I can add value to make it less bad, but things are still pretty flat looking in the end. The worst part is that I don't notice it until about a week after I finish the art and look back at it. Everything looks acceptable until then. Yes I flip the canvas a million times.

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>>2755730
That grin is scary.
The mouth length is proportional to the separation of your pupils

>>2755730
I like it, but you should mind some minor rules like, the eyes should start after the line of the nose's max width and one of the eyes is larger than the other.
I'd also argue about the mouth being too wide, but that seems more like a deliberate choice of yours.
Keep up, anon. And don't forget to take regular breaks.

>>2755752
if you showed something that you drew it'd be easier to pinpoint exact errors or things you leave out

When drawing a still life, should you take into mind the construction/perspective or just copy what you see in correct proportion and contrast?

>>2755760
I thought that might be the case, alright I'll make something digital and post it later, thanks!

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>>2755765
Also crit

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>>2755723

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>>2754824
Haven't done gestures in a month
Feel like I've lost all the progress I made
kill me

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>>2755793
Nice start, you see contours but you have to be more accurate. Now, try to figure out volumes. To do so, add a new layer and try to draw what is under the skin and decompose in facets. It will help you to refine your drawing. Pic to help you.
Oh, and talk when you post.

>>2755657
Why? Does my piece need more contrast?

>>2755809
Does this look right?

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>>2755834
forgot image

>>2755812
replied to wrong person also
>>2755834
>>2755838
It's late, forgive me

>Reading through KtD
>Most excercises state that you should draw life size or bigger.
>Only own a 20x20 cm notebook to draw.

Can I kinda just ignore that instruction or should I spend my money on a decently sized white paper notebook?

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>tell myself I'm going to practice for an hour
>ten minutes in, get frustrated and stop entirely
>every single time
How do I stop myself from doing this?

>>2755861
By having some fucking discipline in your life.

>>2755855
No. If you don't follow every single art book's instructions 100% perfectly without any exceptions then you and everyone else in a 31.5 mile radius (excluding families of mixed Nordic/Mongolian descent) will never make it.

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How do I fix the hair and mouth and improve in general?

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>>2755885
fixed it with chromatic abberation :^)

>>2755885
You read the sticky, seriously.
You lack a lot of fundamentals, go read a rendering and head book

>>2755885
You're symbol drawing but you're not at the point where your understanding of how a real head works is enough for you to stylize

>>2753546
paint over your black lines, not under them.

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>>2755898
>>2755888
how about now, can i start my patreon

>>2755813
Cause you can't into colour yet
Start with grayscale and work your way up

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>>2755904
ADDING ON SHIT AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT

>>2755907
what's wrong with my colors?

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Some Zelda characters i've been doing using loomis. Feedback would be nice.

>>2755917
Go back to fun with a pencil
You obviously still struggle to grasp forms.

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>>2755885

>>2755919
I am currently using fun with a pencil. So yeah i have a lot of practice to do.

>>2755920
This anon is a nice anon

>>2755923
Remember, perspective on a rounded shape isn't just a variation of size

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>>2755920
thanks friend, this is excellent

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Stupid question, but even when it's just quick scribbles with the intent of getting better at drawing figures or whatever. Is it help? Is it better than doing nothing at all for a day?
I haven't drawn a 'finished' picture in days and this is the only thing keeping me from slipping into a full on art block

i'm having a rough time getting started. i understand that drawing what I see is the important thing. Like, using the keys to drawing, not symbol drawing, and drawing from the shoulder are important habits. but I can't stop myself from getting paranoid that I'm going to spend 3 months reinforcing shitty technique and not actually improving. I mean, I get I can't get gud without practicing, but I don't want to practice poorly.

I crave a structure that I want to put together (Loomis, Keys, Robinson, Proko) but I just don't know how or if I should piece something together.

I'm already discouraged and I've barely started :(

>>2755929
Thanks bro, i'll have that in mind.

>>2755946
>only thing keeping me from slipping into a full on art block

You don't seem like you have much enthusiasm for drawing. Why do it? What is your goal?

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>>2755956
I have enthusiasm, but for some reason drawing decently has been difficult for some reason and it's bumming me tf out
As far as goals go I want to get paid for drawing, and just like attention for my art in general.
I think what's getting to me is doing this for years and still consulting beginner threads

>>2755948
You're thinking too hard. You'll make mistakes, but that's part of the journey. Have fun doing art.

This quote by Jennifer Egan is what finally got me started (She's a writer but it works with any type of practice in my opinion). It's so simple yet so true.

"You can only draw regularly if you’re willing to draw badly. Accept bad drawing as a way of priming the pump, a warm-up exercise that allows you to draw well"

>>2755915

That's where /ic/ argumentation usually ends. There's nothing necessairly wrong, you should rather think about edges of color, due to the way you paint transitions are too sharp.

His advice about going grayscale is kinda good because it just means that it's easier to see value there. Proper values is what usually makes a drawing and creates a sense of depth, human eye tends to make 3D with value not with color.

>>2755966
Years and that is your work? I'm clueless as to your work ethic, where you started, and what you learned but it looks to me as though you spent more time on things you wanted to draw compared to things you need to draw - studies and such.

>>2755974
I know right, it's pissing me off that I'm realizing that now.
Well, I guess all I can do is go back to the basics. I drew that few days ago but the rest of that sketch book is just gesture drawings and anatomy practice.

>>2755983
It'd be easier to post one of those instead so a non-subjective critique could be applied.

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>>2755987
Like this?

are there any good "follow along" videos to learn about colors? I just can't read all the shit in the sticky it's too much.

>>2755910
dont use the Burn tool, you can make a layer with multiply and a base color like purple o brown

>>2756091
is there an equivalent to that? What makes this technique so much easier than just picking the right colors? I know it IS easier but could I apply the multiply logic in my head in some way?

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Pleated skirts very fun to Draw

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>>2755992
Is this from reference? Already I can tell you may be rushing things. Maybe pick up Peter Han's warmups into your routine to help eliminate the chickenscratch (at least that's what helped with me)

>>2756131
it's always the asians with the loli

can i use ref pics for the figure/portraits exercises instead of models in keys?

breh's can symbol drawing afflict you when you're doing perspective drawings of boxes and other basic forms? I'm going through perspective made easy and when I try to draw a city type little scene it gets a little weird looking

>>2755861
I agree with him discipline helps>>2755863

another thing that can help you is having concrete goals to work towards. to use soccer as an example, "today I will spend 30 minutes practicing my shooting skills". when you have a defined goal like that it won't matter if you miss all your shots because that was never the goal. the goal was simply to take shots and learn something

>>2756177
it happens when you dont (((know))) the object, since your horizon and points tell you where all the edges are its pretty easy to (((know))) it. so i think its not common.

>>2756131
breddy gud. do better poses though.

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Alright I'm going to ask a stupid question but how the fuck do I go about learning from the artbooks? I read the sticky and about how I can skip the pseudo-science and such but I'm still a bit confused. Obviously for a below amatuer "Artist" like myself, I'm on Keys to Drawing.

Again, It's a stupid question. I don't care if you guys call me a tard, I just want to get better.

>>2756187
find what you want to grind and grind it.
try not to run out of things to grind.

>>2755765
>>2755772

som1 ; _ ;

>>2756229
Well that depends, are you training to do shit from imagination or are you observational through and through, old school style? For the former, fucking yes. Simplify as much as you fucking can else you don't have a chance in hell of replicating it.

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Am I gonna make it? Did this in ArtRage SP, I couldn't get a good brush going to do the light effects properly, gonna do the next one in Krita.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how is the rendering in general?

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>>2755653

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>>2755223
here's this. im not to worried about the head/face or even the hands. just the proportions/anatomy/muscles. how do they look?

>>2756322
pretty good, draw something in a more normal scenario, underwater is foreign so its tough to instinctual tell whether its right. good dark underbelly though. also where its eyes at.

>>2756325
ok listen up you. STOP colouring your figures until you can simply draw them properly. STOP posting here every thread whilst ignoring every bit of advice we give you. FUCKING do drawabox and train your 3d skils. do figure drawing by loomis too. i dont want to see you post here again until you've done those things, and not a shitty "i've skimmed through this once now i can go back to /beg/ and post my shitty drawings again" fucking practise the drills until you can do it. then try again. then come back.

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>>2756327
Thanks. I chose the whale because I wanted something with an easily identifiable color palette. I think I'll do some black and white stuff to improve my values. The eyes are in front and below the white spots, but it wasn't visible in the reference so I left it out as well. It's tiny, dark and below the terminator.

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>>2756329
wut i got two responses and one said it needs a bigger dick and other said im supposed to measure with the cranium instead of the head which is wrong. according to this overlay my anatomy is acceptable so that leaves me with my anatomical knowledge. i GUESS i could show that through a drawing but no one bothered addressing that. i feel like i was able to notice more features than usual and i used references to help with some. i dont get why youre so salty about me posting so much. youre more than welcome to ignore my posts.

>>2756338
Do you not see that your torso is too long? And not wasting your time rendering an ill constructed sketch is good advice regardless.

>>2756341
i did just notice that but i know id be off somewhere so i said acceptable, not perfect. anyways are the muscles okay? i got bored with keys and decided to test myself

will draw a box be more willing to put up with my shit than you guys are if i do the $3 patreon

>>2756350
yeah, you can send your stuff in. proko does that too. but here is also fine.

>>2756128
pretty good, approaching time to move on from /beg/. make her cuter if thats what you want to do. i'd recommend it.

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>>2755920
I tried again with your tips and it went better I think. What I envy the most from you is your lines. How do you get such confident, beautifully smooth and curvy lines? Am I supposed to use my elbow or my wrist? Slower gestures or quick, large strokes?

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So I tried to do this, did some good things, and some terrible things, then went over and literally traced over it to try and understand. Why does it look like absolute shit even when traced over?

>>2756435
Because you have no confident lines. Look at it, you scribbled all over the place, skipped details even. Grab a stabilized brush and try again. To get the right curves, it helps to start a line earlier and finish it later and then erase what you don't need. And make them thin.
Also, it's just a sketch - flat as fuck. Add values with hatching or render it.

>>2756435
why does she have a nipple on her arm

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Leg Exercises, Gonna link the ref I used for one of them because It was really helpful
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>>2756435
Just some stuff I noticed but it wasn't even traced properly, Itried to show the areas I noticed that are differnt in red.

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Alright, rate my plant studies. Ignore how fucked up it looks in terms of cosmetics, I had to do levels shenanigans because of my shit printer. Tell me about the quality of my constructions my famalamdam

>>2756541
>>2756541
>>2756541

>>2756541
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been on and off on this thing but feel like i need more consistency.....

>>2757135
what are you trying to practice with it?