/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

How shitty is it to do one and two point perspective practise from photos? The weather's pretty shitty outside and I live in a cramped box.

so to summaries:
circles on squares in perspective
tall cylinders in perspective
filling in of arbitrary outlines with rings
applying upturned pins to drawn shapes
drawing rings through donut shapes
line practise
shapes on shapes


anything im missing?

What's a good way to get better at determining and applying value? Just keep drawing and it'll come naturally or is there a good exercise I can use?

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>>2750855
Try to break what are you trying to apply value to into planes, it will be easier to determine where is ligher or darker.
Pic related.

I'm learning form intersections from Drawabox, and it feels like they haven't made it clear when it comes to combining rounded forms together (like merging one 3D sphere with another).

Is there a part that I have missed, or is there a better way for me to understand form construction somewhere else?

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ah yes hmmmm...

very interesting....

jk i understand nothing

>>2750949

Just diagrams of mapping people in perspective. This is why most of the suggestions are to start Keys-Perspective-Loomis.

What you see is much more complex looking than it actually is.

Anyway. Loomis covers this a bit in Fun With A Pencil, I believe.

>>2750956
this book is literally by loomis tho, it's his figure drawing one

>>2750961

Yes. I know. Figure Drawing For All Its Worth.

The one I reference is another one he made: Fun With A Pencil. It's about using shapes for construction.

>>2750949
Perspective is easy as fuck m8, did you not do 2-point and 3-point perspective in Art at school?

I can draw decently on paper but I'm really shit at drawing on a tablet. How can I fix this?

>>2751015
By drawing more on a tablet.

>>2750778
Someone pleace answer this. Can I do point-perspective practise from photos?

>>2750778
>>2751018
Sure, so long as it's level and you can judge the horizon line.

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Trying to learn how to draw feet better; I spent a minute on each of these to try and get a feel for the form but I'm still struggling on certain angles, particularly when the foot is tilted so that the sole is visible.

Can anyone give me any pointers that might help? I've already watched/read several guides but could use a more experienced eye to identify problems...

>>2751095
that's 53 feet. do 500 more and you won't have that problem anymore. i know cause i did the same shit with hands.

>>2751137

Not that anon.

But I am also having trouble with hands and feet. The quantity part I understand fully, so I'm not looking for a shortcut. However, I don't want to be drawing 1000 hands doing it incorrectly the whole time.

Where I should start studying hand/foot construction?

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Is this any good for a start? Should I continue?

>>2751151
dicksout/5

>>2751144

The idea I'm going with is learning the basic construction, doing quick minute-long sketches to focus on the overall form instead of details, then isolating what doesn't look right to gradually refine my knowledge.

>>2751137

Will try!

>>2751151
That's a good skill level to start learning the basics and their application. Read the thread op sticky pastebin and keep practising!

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>read scott robertson for a week
>watch proko's head video again
>actually understand what he's saying

a-am I learning, guys? is this what it feels like to get good?

>>2751224

Addictive once it gets going.

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My first time trying some construction in 3 point, also trying digital and freehand. Can I get some critique, please?

>>2751169
I read the sticky. I'm just resting from drawing boxes.

>>2751228
I know you can draw that box better.

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>>2751250
Maybe you are right, however I don't think it's that bad. A little wobbly, I suppose I have to keep practicing freehand.

Right now I just want to stay away from the 3D grids you can create with Photoshop.

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>>2750747
Welp I tried

>>2751261
You really didn't. You didn't even try to structure that portrait.

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does this look anything like Barron Trump?? want to nail his face before finished sketching, maybe make the cheeks rosy? idk

>>2751263
I thought when doing drawings of real things you were supposed to draw the lines you see not use construction?
At least that's what I took from keys to drawing.

Anything else you can tell me?

>>2751264
With symbol drawing like that, it could look like anybody.

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>>2751261
I definitely find it easier to copy 2d images but even here it was a bit off (the head on the left is taller than it should be and not wide enough).
Any advice on either pic is appreciated.
>>2751263
I would like if you could be more specific.

>>2751283
probably because you're symbol drawing since you can't see the shapes and forms of 3d object unless someone has simplified them for you to understand them.

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>>2751264
LOOMIS

>>2751283
Too much symbol drawing. The reason why the left pic looks more 3D is because the artist already has a grasp on how to build figures by combining forms.

>>2751290
>>2751296
Alright so more Loomis then?
I just thought that when drawing from observation you were supposed to draw the lines as you see then rather than construct.

>>2751307
You gonna understand what lines are suppose to represent, people are not made from lines so it does not work if you just "draw the lines".
Drawing from real life might help you understand it more.

>>2751307
It's much better to draw real objects and people from observation, not drawings that have been stylized like those characters.

>>2751312
>>2751314
Okay thanks.
That first pic was my first attempt at drawing a real person so I guess I'll just do that more.

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Help plz

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rate my mugs

>>2751290
>>2751312
This is why no one reads the sticky.

>>2751307
Just follow the exercises in Keys to Drawing. Work on your mistakes as you spot them, then repeat as you draw more.

>>2751340
They wouldn't read the sticky anyway, people like these just post without reading anything.

so to summarise:
circles on squares in perspective
tall cylinders in perspective
filling in of arbitrary outlines with rings
applying upturned pins to drawn shapes
drawing rings through donut shapes
line practise
shapes on shapes


anything im missing?

>>2751342
I did read the sticky though, I am reading the books, but this is a beginner thread which I assumed was specifically for these sorts of questions.

>>2751342
we need a /fit/ style banner in bold and red saying "STOP, READ THE STICKY BEFORE POSTING FOR THE FIRST TIME" or similar. also the sticky needs to be a tad more concise so new visitors get the information they need quickly.

maybe its done in the image we have if not in text.

>>>/fit/17018018

>>2751366
When you say "read the sticky" or do you mean read every single book in the sticky to completion?

>>2751376
the most important ones. this is why i say it needs to be more concise.

drawabox
loomis funwithapencil
maybe keystodrawing
all the fundamental exercises that this man is trying to list >>2751358
something that shows the base most useful things a beginner should practice

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I know its shit, but I have no idea how to fix it.

>>2751381
>drawabox
It could literally take months or even a year to finish draw a box that's an awfuly long time just for someone to post don't you think?

>>2751383
loomis head construction

>>2751385
doing the first bits up to animal drawing takes a few days

>>2751330
heeeeeeelp

>>2751395
pay attention to your fucking surroundings look at all of the last few posts

>>2751395
what do you think of the people who don't get any crit at all for threads on straight? they don't bitch about it, and instead they look at their work critically and analytically without having to rely on other beginners to point out what's obvious

t. me

>>2751330
You're symbol drawing.
Stop it.

>>2751333
Are those the peanuts?

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thoughts on facial anatomy/lighting? are the colours too much?

Doing the excercises on Perspective Made Easy and using a book as reference for drawing boxes, I've got a few questions.

Whenever I try to draw the book or whatever real life box the proportions are always slightly off, or it will always be slightly rotated differently. How do I fix this? Or is this something more like keep grinding until you eventually learn how to always get it right kind of thing?

How do you deal with vanishing points that are outside the paper? Most of the time the vanishing points aren't there in the paper for me to just ghost a line from them to the object and it will likely fuck my shit up.

Basically, my question is. Should I be studying from another source to learn how to deal with this stuff or just keep grinding away til I get it?

>>2751458
The eye on the right is kinda buggy, I don't think that's how it works. the curly bit on the side of the top lip isn't quite right. The colours and lighting are pretty good. You capture well the tired eyes of a sex addict.

How do i turn a mindless study into an actual study?
How do i learn from studying photographs or other artwork by copying the image with simple shapes?

>>2751471
Thanks!!

>>2751458
is that filthyfrank?
pretty good btw
consider paying more attention to the collarbone

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What should I do to improve line confidence?

>>2751488
Be confident.

>>2751488
go digital
draw bigger
dedicate yourself to only using one line per line

>>2751485
Thanks and yeah it is, wasn't really sure how the lighting should work on the collarbone though

>>2751473
By actually paying attention.

By actually thinking and not asking dumb questions on /ic/.

>>2751495
show it to him

>>2751492
thanks, I feel more confident already

>>2751497
Ahaha, doubt that he'd notice me

>>2751510
nah, man. the piece is bright and eye catching, and who is a tad flattered when someone draws them?

>>2751513
especially like that you saucy dog

>>2751488

>>2751493
>go digital

No. He wants to have more confidence in his lines, you're suggesting a medium which tends to create compulsing Ctrl+Z fags, which derives in carelesnes. In any case what the anon should try is ink, you fuck up then sorry, scratch that shitty drawing and move on to the next, but this time be a man and don't screw up your lines.

My advice is do gestures, 1'30" and 1 min ones. Watch how other artist do their gestures, imitate them, then slowly find your own way. Draw lightly, learn to accentuate only the parts that need to be. FUCKING PRACTICE

>>2751522
>tfw gestures got you actually being more loose and messy
Doesn't work for everyone I guess.

>>2751513
Aw dude you're too nice, maybe I'll tweet it to him

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>>2751383
Are you the guy from the sticky?

I see your shading has improved.

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Is this actually how this is supposed to be? He seems to color-code the muscles but never actually uses the colors anywhere. Where can I find good resources for legs?

>>2751540
your local gym, they can be glorious sometimes

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>>2751540

>>2751467
I have not read that book, but Scott Robertson will answer your questions.

>>2751546
Can Scott Robertson be applied to drawing people?

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>>2751543

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hey guys check out my drawing XDDDD
pls critique :DD

>>2751261
https://youtu.be/7B-E5CNTYss

This might help you learn more about structure and thing about how lines begin and end and the space the take up.
your also drawing very flat you need to think in 3d. I will see if i can find a video to better explain cuz i understand just telling u to think in 3d isnt gonna to make sense or make you better.

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>>2751458
nice joji

>>2751587
Is that Fat Bastard

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>>2751591
might as well be

>>2751587
>>2751594
There's just something about these that make them seem amateurish even though they're good. What is it?

>>2751595
cause i suky diky

troll is fucked anatomically
and fat bastard isnt finished

>>2751595
There's very little value work.

>>2751595
The symbol drawing?

>>2751595
>>2751587


Well, he's a begginer you know?

But memes aside, I think the hair looks pretty good, obviously a good amount of work went into that, but the the face lacks volume as there are hardly any values, so it ends up looking like the features are just floating in empty space.
Also the quality of the picture is bad.

Still better than 90% of BEG thread

>>2751540

I thought it was a shitty arm at first. Damn it Hampton

>>2751602
>>2751603
>>2751604
thank you for criticism

what about this one>>2751582

>>2751582
The hair is very impressive but the face is completely drawn using symbols.

>>2751611
I will practice more and refrain from symbol drawing

thank you, again for the critique

>>2751151

I think that comp is too complicated for a beginner. Just do the gorilla. Forget the background or just do the background. Don't try to do all of it or you'll get FUCKED.

>>2751261

Don't draw on notebook paper. Ever. Just get a proper white sheet of paper and work on that mm-kay.

>>2751383

Study actual heads. Get away from which ever cartoony style that you're probably copying. Do that shit first and when you feel comfortable enough with real shit you do that cartoony shit. All of those amazing stylized artists that you admire probably have the ability to draw real shit so you should too. Doing cartoony shit after that is gonna be much easier.

>>2751268
Artists train themselves to view surroundings and subjects in simple shapes - When doing studies, try to think of the underlying structure and form. Otherwise, you're just drawing contour lines and not learning anything.

People who only ever copy photos turn into photocopy machines, try asking them to draw from imagination and there's a huge difference in drawing ability.

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>>2750747
I have questions about digital painting since I just got Clip Studio.

What's a good way of coloring efficiently?

Is there a video course on digital painting?

Lastly, how do I color like pic related?


[spoiler]Is this cel-shading?
[/spoiler]

>>2751556
he does not teach you how to draw people. he will tell you how to make drawing people and anything else much easier to learn. you will know how to draw at various angles and distances and where to place people in environments. you just won't learn any anatomy.

>>2751629
Look like vector work.

Not raster, no digital painting involved. I don't know if Clip does vector.

Whatever just work on your fundementals and you'll be able to do whatever the hell you like.

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First shot at digital art, random object I usually have at my desk.

It's metal but I think this image makes it look ceramic. How do I give it a more metallic feel?

Should I improve on this or move onto the next object?

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similar to >>2751657
But way more worn

>>2751657
You need to get your values to transition better.

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>>2751513
>>2751526
never gona make it

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How could I go into making this "feel" more like a 3D shape?

I know blending and coloring it would be a thing, but saying we were only using lines, how could go about it, it looks really bland and the sketch of it looks way more like a real shape.

>>2751687
draw it using construction lines. horizon, vanishing points, squares around the wheels etc.

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>>2751696
Like this? The book I'm reading did say that keeping some of the sketch lines could help but I feel like my sketching phase is too messy.

>>2751699
you did plot the horizon and vanishing points right?

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>>2751702
after practicing many cubes you kinda get good at it.

Also Erik Olson is an amazing teacher, he has a couple of videos where he explains diminishing guides, a little hard to wrap your head around but after a couple of weeks of practice they start to become a little more normal, pic related.

>>2751708
>diminishing guides
What?

>>2751699
ok so a few things. do the full construction, it will help i think.

look at the tires, most long vehicles have more than 2 pairs. if it takes an abrupt stop it will tip forward since they are too close to the centre. also you didnt use the technique to plot them equally, the back one is too close to the center. also the actual wheels arent in line properly because you didnt plot their square to the vanishing point. stuff like that. just focus.

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>>2751709
Basically when the VPs are too far away from the picture planes you make guides to help you see where to make lines. It's hard to get but it works, if you double in half the picture plane and whatever you want to draw, you've got yourself a guide, then you double that and so on.

At first they are really confusing but after a while you kinda just see them without drawing them, that's how you get good at estimating when going to the VPs.

Do yourself a favor and go watch Olson's stuff.

>>2751712
Yeah I'll admit that I just guessed where the tires would be, I'm a little tired. I should probably start using real life references for things like tires too, I completively forgot that busses have 4 or 6 pairs of wheels. Thanks for the feedback.

>>2751718
i would actually encourage you to not use a reference in an instance like this. just focus more and train your mind to see realism and viability from imagination.

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Something is seriously wrong with the leg but I don't know how to fix them

>>2751753
Blog? This is fucking cool as shit.

>>2751755
Thanks for the compliment
http://vutiendung.deviantart.com/
https://www.artstation.com/artist/vutiendung912

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I'll post my most recent exercise because I haven't posted my progress on 4chan for a while; brutal critique is absolutely fine and appreciated.

Sorry for the bad image quality; my camera recognized one of these as a face. Is my camera stupid?

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What do y'all think

>>2751753
It looks like the right leg is bended instead of coming straight from the body. I don't know, try looking for an image of any big animal from a similiar angle.

>>2751753
Based on your other work I suggest you to study lighting on various materials and how they work.

>>2751261
Values

>>2751095
Easy just draw spheres for knuckles tubes for fingers and remember that the tom and bottom planes have a different shape you just gotta look at an in depth anatomy book that has a hands section and memorise all the caveats.

Why don't people resize their fucking shit?

>>2751765
reference?

>>2751778
>>2751765
>>2751781
Are you people doing this on purpose?
How hard is it to turn the picture rightside up before you post?

>>2751769
I wanted to but the brush setting from Paint Tool Sai is too limited and Photoshop is really complicated

>>2751791
I'm pretty sure that people are using sai with better results.

>>2751793
Yeah, I guess I'm just Lazy and most of speedpaint tutorial on youtube is all fury shit and not that helpful

>>2751795
Look at real materials and mimic those, not just how some geek does it on youtube.

>>2751796
Alright, man. I will try that then

>>2751784
Because they're too dumb to download this.
http://www.bricelam.net/ImageResizer/

Lets you right-click a file and resize it instantly. 900kb download.
Get it, ye noobs.

Are there any books or videos that explain anatomy for drawing but actually explain why certain things are like so in that particular pose? Not just showing an image of a twisted pose and drawing it but explaining why this bone or muscle is sticking out this way.

>>2751807
Why would you need it? I feel like it would be impractical since, in your example, noses vary from person to person. Maybe I'm just not understanding your quesiton.

>>2751755
If you think this is cool you have a really shit taste

>>2751827
Most beginners do. Over time, it'll refine.

>>2751807

"Anatomy for sculptors" is kinda like that I guess. Check it out

>>2751863
i have god tier taste i'll have you know

>>2751496
Thanks for your intensive intervention
I've always wondered whether it was just professional artists that give this sort of helpful advice

>>2751889
Then what do you think about this? >>2751753

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>>2750748
>>2750750
>>2750754


Why is nobody giving any love to the referenes posted? There's actually some good shit there this time

Thoughs?

>>2751900
a tad unoriginal but kind of cool i suppose and its ok for what it is.

>>2751904
>unoriginal
>Its a fire cyborg Cerberus made up of Bull, Rhino and Ram

>>2751905
pretty sure its a mid boss from like 7 different squaresoft games but ok

>>2751906
Give me an Example

>>2751909
you know that one where one of the heads buffs the rest, one heals, and the other does strong AOE so you have to kill of the head that heals first.

and stuff like that.

>>2751916
There isn't one that I know of

>>2751922
its like all of them
git cultured skrub

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I got this far before I saw >>2751618
Should I keep going? Any tips? I'm not sure how to continue besides adding detail.

>>2751925
You obviously never even play a Final Fantasy game or even a Squaresoft game

>>2751940
nice post

>>2751946
At least its nicer than calling someone a "skurb"

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>>2751949
OHOHOHOHOH I BET YOU FEEL BAD ABOUT THAT TYPO BOYO BUT TOUGH SHIT BECAUSE I SAW IT ALL BUD IN ALL ITS GLORY

>>2751950
You do realize, nobody give a fuck, right?

>>2751951
>claims not to give a fuck
>responds to the post

dont respond to this one

>>2751952
You're missing the point, no one care about a typo.

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Trying to shake that ctrl-z habit by drawing on paper more but all it tells me is how shit I am whodathunkit

>>2751903
Nice, I like how delicate the shading on the profile is.

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>>2750753

>>2752007
Nice

>>2752007

I like it

>reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
>look at reference to draw what is there
>try to draw it
>hand tries but doesn't look right cause i'm not keeping track of what I draw on the paper
>if I look at what I'm drawing I can't draw what is actually there cause I don't fucking see it
What do I do? I try to glance at the reference and then draw it, but it doesn't feel like my brain simply 'gets it', it feels like I'm guessing it at the best of my ability. Did I just not understand how to R-mode?

>>2751903
>that face on the right
why are you even in the beginner's thread

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>>2752094
You don't seem to have quite grasped the circle inside the square in perspective. The ellipse shouldn't be hitting the edge of the square in the true middle, but rather in the middle of the skewed shape. Pic related.

>>2752162
Explain

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>>2750747
how do i go from here to a more fleshed out drawing D:

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>>2752163
Look at attached pic. You can see that when you (the bottom point) look at the square from the side, the widest point of circle from your view is not at the center of the square. In reality it is, but you're not drawing an absolute representation of reality, you're drawing a skewed representation of it.
I'd recommend looking into some material on perspective. Scott robertson, erik olson, and marshall vandruff all have very good alternatives.

>>2751245
stop drawing boxes dumbass

>>2751657
>>2751660
>>2751662
Is there a 101 for digital art somewhere?
I literally know nothing about it, like why do you have a scale of different colors on the side of the page?

>>2751779
What?

>>2752200
to show the range of values

>>2752200
ctrlpaint you lazy nigger

My boy Matt has a nice voice too so give him some money.

I haven't done dedicated practice for drawing in ages. Could someone tell me something to work on for the next week?

>>2752207
drawing

>>2752219
Nicely memed my man

>>2752007
>>2751995
>>2751903
>>2751781
>>2751778
>>2751765
>>2751764
>>2751587
>>2751582
>>2751543
>>2751458
stop wasting your talent drawing real people.

>>2752207
sticky

>>2752232
>practicing fundies
>"wasting"

>>2752170
kys you're nevre gona mkake it

>>2752232
B-but I drew a fictive person without reference; all I had was a paragraph describing him and then I visualized it

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>>2751764
I really need some sort of direction; could someone merely say if this looks natural or not, and then point out which part of it looks the most idiosyncratic of humans? These are figures I drew on the computer; the one drawn from the back annoys me particularly

>>2752292
G'day mate!
What do you want ?
Why do you amputate them ?
Chicken scratch is not necessary.
Draw from inside instead of outlining.
A bit of anatomy and perspective could be nice too.
Good star overall.

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Im doing the draw-a-box lessons and im on the dissection segment, could someone just give a wee bit of advice on how to apply "if you look deep enough you'll find a rhythm or pattern to anything" Please? .for example i chose snek scales as the pattern. how would i do this?

>>2752323
DaB's texture tutorial is literally "drawn the rest of the fucking owl tier.", start working on keys to drawing instead instead.

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dont know, i think there is something wrong with this. can someone help me pls?

>>2752333
Are you using some sort of construction or are you just winging it

>>2752330
>I want to be hand held the post

>>2752337
Do you have to learn construction before observational drawing?

>>2752341
Eh not really but it can certainly help in my shitty opinion

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>>2752337
i do a fast sketch and then fix the body with something like this. but cant tell if is wrong or not, always critique and advice help.

>>2752338
sorry.

>>2752353
what if i went off, tired to apply it, and then come back for advice?

>>2752354
You have to try longer. Like at least a week.

>>2752357
Alright, be back in a week then.

>>2752180
is this from a site with a bunch of these to practice from?

>>2750747
Could somebody direct me to a definition for values in an artistic sense?
I keep seeing the term thrown around but with little explanation, I get from context that it refers to some quality of a drawing but that's about it sorry for the stupid question.

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>>2750754
I try my best for putting correct values, also how can I see values but with colors?
Any advice?

>>2752386
>what is the sticky for $500 bob

>>2752386
how light or dark something is, is it's value.

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>>2750747
how do i improve and polish this, photobashing? it's very important.

I'm thinking of tackling the first two lessons on DrawABox, then moving on to different books. This a sound plan or should I stick to the site or don't do it at all?

>>2752465
You should not plan and just fucking do it. You don't improve by planning, just fucking draw already. Beginners need not concern themselves with complex plans when they haven't even put in 300 hours yet.

>>2752464
if it's for a girl and you haven't already fucked her you will never fuck her


> inb4 b-b-b-ut she said

kys

>>2752480
Don't be mean to anon
Atleast he's trying to get laid
He could do better though

>>2752484
>>2752480
Somewhere in between these two levels of autism Anon, the quality of the drawing will have no bearing on whether she sleeps with you or not. Best of luck.

>>2752491
>assuming he's doing it just to get laid
What makes you think it wasn't done only as a nice gesture?

>>2752498
Artists never do things as a nice gesture.

>>2752501
I assume you hold the persona of everyone who's drawn in their life under your own possession, yes?

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>>2750747

I am sick with the flu and my hands feel very weak when I grab a pencil, it's very hard to work like this. Any advice so I can continue drawing

>>2752507

Don't have the flu.

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>>2752509

Thanks, Anon. I'll try.

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Quick sketch

Opinions?

>>2752527
once you start drawing heads in other positions you'll better realize how facial features work (in any position)

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im gay and bad at drawing

>>2752449
Okay then because I've seen some people use it in other contexts in these threads and it was confusing.

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Erm, hi there. I have a certain problem with this. Quality aside, the painting was going pretty okay until i lost my patience and started throwing brushes all over and hoping it would turn out ok.

Is there some way to keep this situation from happening or some certain process to follow so things like these won't occur?

>>2752577

Chill out.

>>2752507
Flu sucks. Take a panadol, if your throat is sore mix lemon and honey with hot water and drink that, drink lots of water in general, and take a hot shower. If you don't feel well enough to draw after that, just try and sleep it off, rest will help you heal and you might get some cool inspiration from the wacky flu dreams.

>>2752232
But drawing real people helps me improve my imaginative stuff. Any actual advice? (I'm >>2751995)

>>2752588

Yeah, I think I'll do that. I am shivering and the lines are getting more jaggy than usual..Thanks Anon, good night /ic/.

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I started this year, any comment, what should i improve

>>2752615
i'd just quit homie, you don't have the spark at all.

>>2752615
jesus, that's nice

I'd suggest practicing drawing more one subject pictures of men, women and children

That treeman is dope

shit camera

>>2752624
>>2752630
thank you both

i wanna draw but i'm consumed by reading about drawing

someone call me a faggot and tell me to just put the pen to the paper and draw from the shoulder or some shit

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am i polishing turd? i'm newfag at photoshop painting looks ugly

>>2752681
You're polishing an image you haven't even blocked in yet.

>>2752681
>those jowls

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Why is digital painting so exhausting? I can game for 8 hours straight thinking of clever ways to make shit work in factorio but painting slays me after 30 minutes.

Tried to do some kr0npr1nce style loli shit. Turned out ok. My colors are less awful than they used to be but I always go too light. The thing that sucks is that once everything's too light, I'm afraid to go too dark cause the good darks now look way darker comapred to the current colors.

>>2752690
>I can game for 8 hours straight thinking of clever ways to make shit work in factorio

Gaming is one of the least mentally demanding things you can do, it's up there with watching tv. I don't know why you would even mention that.

>>2752691
>he's never played dota for hours
>he never went into hardcore heart racing sweat mode

Fucking casuals

>>2752691
depends what kind of game man

>>2752693
>Dota

You're the casual here, bud

>>2752695
I just chose a random game that autistic people play to make a point.

>>2752693
>He's never stayed up for three days straight fueled by nothing but bitter hatred while losing hundreds of MMR
Never gonna make it.

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Some shitty ass legs

>>2752691

This isn't actually true at all. Gaming is one of the more mentally demanding things you can do in your spare time. The reason time flies so fast is because it floods you with adrenaline. It is far more mentally demanding than drawing, due to a much higher level of decisions per minute.

In other news, kill yourself :)

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Started digital drawing, since I've had this small intuos for a while. The disconnect of having the drawing be done on one area and appearing on another is confusing me and discouraging me. Any tips?

>>2752725
You could stand to vary your lineweight just a bit. Maybe try a sketch with size by pressure turned on.

How many actually draw here? I feel like these threads are filled with depressed and angry robots who have never even touched a pen.

>>2752480
we're dating, she loves it as it is, i just wanted to make it better because i know it's shit

>>2752491
i know thanks

>>2752498
i'm doing it only to get laid

>>2752484
thanks man, i've never been to art school so that is the best i could do with a mouse

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sketchy stuff with new tablet

>>2752821
there are people on /fit/ who dont lift but i dont think there are people on here who dont practice drawing.

>>2752852
Nice. Puch them.

>>2752854
I hope that's the case.

2752821
Not a lot if non-practioners, because the second you state something it's pyw time, if you fail to deliver (or cop out and meme it) then you're a fucking liar and everything you said doesn't matter.

It strikes a nice balance between anonymity and weeding out bullshit.

>>2752862
this is america, speak american.

>>2752865
If you talk big, you better nut up or shut up.

>>2752868
u wanna fuckn go cunto

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I just started keys to drawing, but I want to solely start learning via a digital medium as I never intend to draw on paper. They expect me to use shading, and I'm somewhat lost because there's so many options on how to go about this with sai and clip art studio. Obviously the correct answer is to use paper and pencil, but should I mess around with the applications to find what I like to get the job done, or look up a guide for simple digital shading?

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moar

>>2752883
I know where you're coming from. You think you're gonna get ahead of the curve by not doing traditional at all. The truth of the matter that I and a lot of other people in this thread have learned is that traditional (even for a couple months since you seem stubborn) gives you the coordination and dexterity that will make learning the fundamentals so much more easier than doing it digital, as well as having an easier transition into using a tablet.

But be my guest and keep using your tablet. When the going gets tough, hopefully you'll put the pieces together.

By the way, KTD is meant to be done with a pencil and paper.

>>2752887
A lot of your faces are moonfaced, as in round towards the front as it goes into the chin/jaw. Not sure if that's a muh style thing or?

>>2752887
bigger eyes, smaller nose, eyes lower down, fuller tits, less mouth, thinner eyebrows, more cute. desu it looks fucking gross

as for technical stuff, show construction, stop chicken scratching, add detail.

>>2752890
>>2752891
righto, cheers

>>2752890
A graphics tablet should be about the same for coordination right? I got it for free basically, and it gave me the push to learn, as I've always been interested in art, but have just grown somewhat older and gave up on it in the past. A beginner with a cintiq sounds retarded, but it's my situation. I probably have "oh I got this shiny thing I have to use it" syndrome honestly. If you think even then pencil and paper is a better starting point I'll go ahead and do it.

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better or nah.
>>2752890
could you redline the moon face thing i'm doing?

>>2752906
better
the boobs are slightly wrong though
neck looks strange? too big? too far forward?
the outline near the hip should be adjusted to show the abdominal muscles in the area
the hair sits strange but that might be style
hamstring adjust maybe?
im struggling to find things, looks pretty good.

>>2750747
I'm going to my local convention and KRENZ is going there. I really want to give him something but what should I give to artists in general? I'm still learning so my art is nothing compared to his.

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>>2752908
alright cheers, you've given me some direction to go in. off to draw some heads

How do I apply all this stuff I've learned about perspective into drawings? I understand the eye-level horizon line, I understand how boxes look up/down the horizon line and rotated around, I understand that parallel lines converge at vanishing points, but how will this help in an actual drawing? Like in figure drawing. I don't know how I'd apply my knowledge of how boxes work to people; people aren't made up of boxes.

>>2752917
you use perspective to line up forms, like nipples, angle of head vs ribcage, helping to imagine how a form turns though space, there's 100 subtle ways it will help you. Draw 10 cars and error check as you go with perspective and you will get it.

>>2752911
give him space

>>2752911
just say
i respect you and your work
then leave
dont shit up his day with some cringey gift or drawing.

>>2752941
this

>>2751095
Looking at this stuff, I think the problem you find with the soles is actually your toes. The alignment of them is a wee bit too horizontal when looking at the feet drawn from directly beneath. Angle from the big toe down a little bit more. That being said, the toe length is a little long and the width is a little thin. Altogether these tiny details make the foot look somewhat flatter and fat-ish. Otherwise, you're awesome at this stuff.

Is it worth subbing to newmastersacademy as a beginner?

>>2752824
No, i meant you could do better in terms of a better girl

>>2752960
Sure, but you can get all the info and resources you need for free. Unless you want access to their model references* or think their lessons will teach you more than the books you can get in the artbook thread for free, go ahead.

*But they also have timed figure drawing videos on YT for free and there are so many other photo reference websites that are also for free. I don't see the point in paying for it, unless you want pictures of a specific model.

>>2751458
That's one spicy joji! Only thing i suggest is lighting on the neck and you connected the neck muscles wrong I believe. Otherwise very very very good!

>>2751753
I'm lookin' at the back legs, and they seem like they're angled too far back. My suggestion is, well, if you look at a bull's hind legs you'll see they have a joint similar to a reverse knee? I don't know what it's called, but the design for this badass shit right here looks like it would benefit greatly from something like that.

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should I give up?

>>2752994
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Mind your step.

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What would you change to make it better?

>>2753012
what am i even looking at

Are there any tutorial on rendering?

>>2753029
no

>>2753029
Read the sticky

we need a reminder the sticky exists at the top of the thread.

>>2753041
>implying beginners even read the top of the thread
They only read the last post
Some don't even read and just make their own thread

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>>2753042
like this but less shit

>>2752385
It's from the Proko site.
I'm going to assume the packages are available on cgpeers, though.

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>>2753042
>They only read the last post
MENTIONED

CHECK MY LATEST MASTERPIECE I DID IT IN GIMP WITH MY MOUSE

>>2753070
This is a nice shrimp with Joost Swarte head

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I did this manipulation of facial features in MSPaint to try and find something more natural; Edit 4 being the most recent: I felt that the jaw was too high in many of them, and so lowered it slightly

Yet it struck me that, perhaps, that wasn't the detail that gave the most deterioration of my normal conception of a human. It was probably the nose, but because I moved the nose down I also had to move the mouth, because there is a certain distance before the teeth where there isn't nostrils. The problem is: if I were to maintain this rule, I would have to either compress the whole face into smaller distances between each key feature, understood in thirds, or make an anatomically indecent image

I still don't think the attachment of the chin isn't a bit wonky; is there anyone who would be able to point of flaws in the shape of the chin? I hate chins

>>2753099
By the way: I'm trying to make it look as realistic as possible, so please point out if I'm stealing from any stylized design-philosophies

Or not or not or not; I'm - I can appreciate that some people want to get payed for writing critiques, but I could really do with a free, brutal critique now

>>2753047
This needs to become the new standard op image.

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practice sketch from album image
>song length is the time limit

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>>2753139

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>>2753141

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>>2753143
Last

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Please critique, I'm not very good at lines

>>2753139
>>2753141
>>2753143
>>2753144
>>2753154
Stop that

>>2753139
>>2753141
>>2753143
>>2753144
Are you even serious?

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Thoughts?

>>2753160
The last one is from me, the four above are not mine.

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How the fuck do I avoid the brush stroke overlapping in Photoshop CS6? I've already tried with 100% opacity and flow and have been going through the brush preset options trying to find the issue but nothing seems to work.

>>2753182
How many layers do you have active?

>>2753170
Painfully assiduous, challenging and terrifying.

>>2753185
that's just on the background, but doesnt matter if they are on the same layer or not, I keep having the same issue.

>>2753160
>>2753161
Yes I am. I don't have any fancy program to work with.

>>2753214
just pirate photoshop
if for some dumb reason you dont want to do that, use gimp

>>2753214
Try pen and paper

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>>2752162
>>2752181

Did not know that anon, thanks. I have Robertsons book and, was thing of doing Olsons course after I finish Perspective made easy. Thanks for the feedback, my man.

>>2753214
download sai/ps cs6/clip studio or something bro.

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I have no real knowledge or values
I tried copying from reference without a base
roast

>>2753329
Your darkest needs to be darker.

>>2753416
>>2753416
>>2753416

>>2753416
>>2753416
>>2753416

>>2753172
i know, that was a mistake