/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2748303
hell of a reference!
More pics of that?
For education purposes ofcourse.

>>2748301
I don't understand this.
It's so easy to fore-shorten such a thing.

Beginners shouldn't be concerning themselves with drawing the human body.

They're better off studying from life than worrying about a drawing such as this.

>>2748308
https://imgur.com/a/vH4U4

>>2748313
Nice beginner advice, beginner.

>>2748313
then don't worry aobut it

>>2748264
Forth Eorlingas!!!

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More crap

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still having trouble. i dont feel like drawing though

here is the model i'm using.
https://sketchfab.com/models/e5150a0f052447e0bff1fc588af6b6da

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From life, I want to clean it up and ink it.

>>2748369
>feminist gf
kys

is there a big mega list of fundie exercises?

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>>2748393
Fucking lol
It's my sister. She's alright.

Adding some primary ink.

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I did the sketch with a mouse and rendered it with my pen tablet

opinions welcome
also yes I know it's not remotely 60% accurate to the actual picture

>>2748416
you should know whats wrong with this.
develop your self evaluation skills

>>2748416
What the fuck is the point of you drawing with the mouse.

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Can autism prevent you from capturing/expressing emotions in drawings?

>>2748420
Only if it is self diagnosed.

>>2748422
How do I draw cute anime girls?

>>2748426
By drawing cute anime girls.

>>2748430
Thats deep, anon.

>>2748420
no
source: kjg

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trying to develop my own art style and started with facial features. though this is just a quickly drawn example, is something like this alright?

In the last thread i was told to work on my lighting as well, so hopefully that has improved.

>>2748465
You learn how to draw (fundementals), then experiment with art styles.

Not the other way around.

>>2748465
Don't go deliberately getting style - you're shooting yourself in the foot. Just flirt around for now.>>2748465

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finished my face. the tree, grass and cloud were for practice cause i was bored but those are wip until i look up some guides. am i braking out of symbol drawing with the face?

>>2748492
Have you actually tried to apply anything we've been telling you for the past couple of weeks?

>am i braking out of symbol drawing

you have a long, long way to go

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>>2748499
what exactly is the difference between the two "longs". how do you even measure that

>>2748496
not really since my last update. besides 'study more' no i didnt because im busy but i did watch some proko vids and applied that to this one (for example the sides of the mouth and lip construction is improved on this) and the philtrum is drawn a bit better. its hard to tell cause the file size but theres more detail in the eyes than before. i think its an improvement from this one

>>2748511
I can understand being busy and shit, but I honestly think you should do keys to drawing before you do anything else. It's sure to improve your stuff a lot if you actually do it. You are missing fundamentals that it can teach you.

>>2748514
i downloaded it. might as well start now. should i go through the whole book or are there certain parts that i should work on? can i do it digital?
also

>You are missing fundamentals
which ones?

and surely thats a noticeable improvement?

>>2748519
Go through the whole book. You probably should use your own judgement wether it's practical to do an exercise in digital or not.

>>2748522
will do. would you say the op i posted is an improvement over the second i posted?

>>2748528
Both are equally grotesque.

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tips tricks and any crits

>>2748416
The left hand looks out of place.
I think you overbulked the upper body and now some thing just don't fit and the metal on the boots should not reflect that much light.
>>2748511
Continuing symbol drawing won't make you better. I think you should study then try again.

Is my shoulder supposed to start to burn after grinding lines?

>>2748338
better than 75% of /beg/ no real critique though, keep it up.

>>2748531
The lightning on her face seems off, but I get the feeling that if you fix it the image will lose too much focus.

>>2748353
That 3d model looks kinda fucked - use a different ref (imo)

>>2748530
no way theres discernably less symbol in the first.

>>2748532
should i study from refs when i do portraits?

>>2748540
Definitely, and go slow, observe the reference well.

>>2748416
were you trying to do an exact copy or attempt drawing that from a slightly different angle? the major forms dont match the ref

>>2748492
>>2748511
ok stop this - work on forms and shapes, not color and rendering. You need to understand basics before spending time on backgrounds and details.

>>2748545
i know there stuff i need to work on but forms and shapes arent it. the background was just practice for fun and i already said that was wip

>>2748543
okay ill give it a go after key to drawing fixes me, i think my weakness lie in not understanding how the features are affected by value

>>2748531
actually Ive spent enough time on this and its not working, I'm going to start something new. >>2748535
Yeah theres a lot of junk wrong that im seeing now that I uploaded and I havent the slightest idea on how to even begin coloring it. Fuck it. Its done.

>>2748546
>i know there stuff i need to work on but forms and shapes arent it
Yes they are man, you really need to wake up. I'm just being honest and trying to help even as a WIP they should be scrapped as practice.

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>>2748285

>>2748560
are you talking about the background or portrait cause someone would have said something about the "forms and shapes" waay sooner

>>2748564
The forms and shapes of the portrait are fucked, that's for sure.

>>2748564
When people talk about cymbal drawing they generally refer to forms and shapes.
You're drawing it how you think it looks not how it actually looks.

>>2748575
>>2748571
well okay then. so the construction is bad too

>>2748578
It's all about perception. You gotta look at it gud to git gud.
>>2748535
You could go drastic and change the direction of the head, that way it can still be lit up and retain focus.

>>2748578
Honestly, you are very much a beginner. You have some familiarity with drawing stuff, but are missing a lot of things. Keys to drawing is pretty much desinged for a person like you.

>>2748531
Add a massive specular/reflexion on the blade to justify girl's face lighting? Add more canva on the right? Move the coat rack closer ?

>>2748587
how long have i been drawing/painting
>>2748585
keys to drawing will give me gud perception

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here's the hand exercise. i have to skip the foot one for now cause im in a car doing this so its not practical and it seems like i should be doing that one traditional anyways. took like 5 min

>>2748641
Break it down to basic shapes to get a better feel for the spacing.

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>>2748264
I'm painting over here. also reading alla prima.

>>2748644
im going to try another one but ill keep that in mind

>>2748641
I'm guessing you are >>2748511 ?
Good job. Try to focus even more on the stuff in the way you see them.
You can do it.

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yes thats me and this is try too. i feel like i went backward with this one

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>>2748273
tried
but what should I do next time

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Here's my shitty Baron of hell

>>2748661
Resize your images. Also, better than 50% of /beg/.

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how bad am i? ans what should I seriously work on?

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>>2748649
Looking better to me.

>>2748661
On short term you should push your values and mind the form more. I see you used wrapping lines that indicate form on some areas and it works decently, while you ignored it on others (or where uncertain about the underlying masses). Also mind line economy - areas closer to the light source should have thinner or even hinted lines, while areas away from the light source have thicker lines. You also only have smooth value changes - have harder edges on abrupt plane changes and mind the core shadows.

On long term I would recommend studying figure, starting with gesture. The creature is unbalanced and stiff. Hampton would be a good source. Once you understand gesture and basic forms, you can move on to anatomy.

Concept wise your "baron of hell" is a bit cliché. Try to work more with references and thumbnail designs until you find something interesting. Try to work with basic shapes and a readable silhouette.

To say something positive about your art. Your lines seem confident for most part and you seem to had fun with this drawing. Keep it up!

>>2748664
Keys to drawing. More values. Drawabox.

>>2748669
>more values
He works in black and white, there are only 2 values, dumbass. Stick your memes up your ass, faggot.

>drawabox
Shitty advice. I'd recommend watching Peter Han's videos and reading into his Dynamic Bible or looking into Robertson's How to Draw. Drawabox is just a watered down version of those exercises and the creator sadly lacks a lot of skill, especially in the later lessons.
Drawabox is okay for having an additional source in case you have troubles understanding Han, but shouldn't be taken for itself. Also don't fall into the trap of only doing drawabox exercises for studying or thinking you will be good after doing the minimal amount of suggested practice. Think of it more as warmup exercises.

>Keys to drawing.
Valid suggestion considering anon's current skill level.

>>2748664
Your biggest concern right now should be your milage when it comes to the technical aspect of drawing. If I where you I would step back a little and do line exercises traditionally. Remember to draw from your shoulder, not your wrist. Keep practicing forms like you do right now.

I would recommend starting with a field of drawing that interests you. Is there anything you particularily like to learn or have interest in?
I could name you a bunch of books like the other anon, but I believe practicing art is very personal and shouldn't be treated as grinding the fundamentals. You can attain your fundies while having fun.

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hi /beg/

long time lurker to /ic/ first time poster

I am trying to pick up where I left art like... 10 years ago as it's my only talent I realized I have ever had and being a 25yo NEET means I might as well do something.

I bought a tablet a few months ago but haven't really touched it til this week. I torrented photoshop cc 2015 and have just been fucking around with it thus far, trying to figure out what the fuck to do with a tablet and how the fuck PS works. I am obviously garbage but I'm sick of scribbling shit just testing out the brushes & pens and am looking for brush that I can start beginning immediately for line work so I can start actually drawing.
I genuinely don't understand why some brushes have the tip degrade. I don't understand the fucking maple leaf brush. Do I need to download some brushes, possibly?

Are there any good starting points for using a tablet/this program? It's really a lot to take in, especially considering I still need to work on hand to eye, fundamentals, etc etc.

Thank you for reading and suggesting. I hope I'll be able to actually start posting my progress soon. Pic is what I attempted before posting this.

>>2748679
oh opps I actually must've deleted that line but I just wanted to be clear I am reading guides from /ic/, read them bit by bit every day but if I have missed something about digital work in them please tell me to fuck off to "x" guide thanks

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>>2748273
One, two. One, two. Test.
>>2748654
Your picture is named "quicke", maybe you should just take your time. And don't forget the big nose and hamster cheeks.

>>2748667
thanks. for the pepper exercise i can just use any piece of fruit right?

>>2748685
pretty much, I wouldn't use anything too "perfect" though. Something with shapes and shit.

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Well this took a fair amount of time. Feedback please.
I'll just go and draw boxes for a while.

>>2748689
It seems you've catched the expression. Fix the nose and move to your next painting.

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Can't seem to make my lineart look appealing, I feel like I lose all sense of form trying to clean up an initial sketch :/ any suggestions?

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Why is measuring so hard?

>>2748264
question, are there any practice videos online, not like lessons but more like work along practice?
i used to buy these tapes that helped when i was learning to play the bass, kind of broke the monotony

>>2748772

You mean demonstrations, as in a teacher just drawing a piece from scratch? Because is it is that then there is actually.

>>2748790
not really
more like exercise tapes
like lesson + demonstration with tips and stuff + work along like telling you to do x and then explaining it and common mistakes

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Do I keep doing the shading business? I just feel like it will end up as a grey lumpy mess.

>>2748798
You have to figure out the values.
This isn't going to an art gallery so you might as well continue.

>>2748746
Anyone wanna comment what's the biggest problem in the piece?

>>2748798

yes, a common error is to leave too much of the white of the paper, wich makes all the values seem wrong in comparison. Look at your reference and search for the lightest part, that's gonna be your "white", all the rest is pretty much grey and darker.

Also, try not to scratch too much, rendering takes time, building tone its a slow process

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Do you guys think I'll make it?
Give your most honest opinion

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>>2748883

>>2748883
Looks like it's lacking features. Try adding an eye.

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>>2748798
well fuck it started looking like a grey mess. I went in too dark on some places, then tried erasing it but I couldn't. I think I need to learn to graduate the shading more subtly so I can build it up like that, maybe get a new pencil or two. I guess I'll go look up some videos about shading and finish it later.

>>2748883
You already made m8

Beginner here who really needs some advice, I was wondering if should start out with pencil and paper or a tablet. I wanna eventually get good enough with my artwork to start working with animation, but I am finding it very difficult to know where exactly I should start from.

>>2748948
From someone in similar place, I recomend to start in paper, once you've got perspective down, maybe some basic figure I would recomend moving to digital.

Otherwise learning how to use software and struggling to use it will take more time of your time than drawing, once you have some idea of how to draw move to Sai and learn photoshop in your free time.

>>2748970
Gotcha thanks a lot I'll just stick with my books and continue to learn the fundamentals

>>2748641
use pencil and paper

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>>2748883
just keep drawing, use reference and learn from it and slowly add your own flares in here and there.
You still got a long way to go but dont get discouraged it just takes dedication.
(I'm not the artist btw just an example of weeb starting point over a 7-8? year period)

>>2748864
The biggest problem is lack of skill and theory. You've clearly tried and that's good already. I advise you to start reading Keys to Drawing to understand how artist's vision works and it will help you a lot. Godspeed and and all that.

>>2749010
By "Artists vision" you mean how to stop cymbal drawing, right?

How do I git gud at drawing?

>>2749014
L O O M I S
O
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M
I
S

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";gesture"

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Feedback on this Mei picture please.
I posted last thread but got no replies (i think) but worked on it a little more.

>>2749074
the face looks a tad cymbally but beyond that its pretty good.

>>2749084
Cymbally? Like the instrument? lol.
I don't understand.
Thanks for taking the time to feedback though

>>2749100
say it out loud

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>>2749100
Cymbal drawing.

>>2748681
did you use light reference very interesting skill

>>2749101
ah, thank

>>2748531
Her right shoulder looks like it's bent too far back for the angle she's at. It should be almost fully in view. Her left arm also looks a bit too short, especially the upper arm.

Perspective seems a bit off and the horizon looks too high.

Composition-wise, you might also want to make the sword point towards the vanishing point. You might also want the deer to be directly over the vanishing point to draw the eye. Those are just suggestions though.

I need help and I don't know what to do, I've been trying to practice properly for almost a year now and I'm not budging, Every day I open PS and try and draw figures or heads or try and imitate an artist I like and it just falls flat and I get extremely frustrated and stop, how do I get out of this?

>>2749137
understand that your still learning and that being frustrated is just apart of learning anything new. It sucks but hey if you wanna git gud thats the process your going to go through. No one said drawing is easy.

>>2749137
post example

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>>2749074
Colours added

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did the pepper excerise ill do it again with a more interesting object

>>2748669
thanks

>>2748677
is the Peter Han's vidoe the one where he tells us to draw over lines and ellipses to build our arm muscle? if so I have been doing that for a while.
and is the "keys to drawing" book written by Dobson?

I try to do my line practice every day it takes me about 40 min to do one set (line,curves,waves and ellipses) how long should I practice for? and by form you mean cubes and 3d shapes?

I started to draw because I wanted to draw cute anime girls but now I just want to get good at drawing.
I've also been doing the exercises on cntrl+paint for a while.

thanks

>>2749223
not 40 about 20 min acutally

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i feel i drew them better from imagination that i did from life

>>2749030

very nice

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presenting: the most aesthetic tank of nazi germany

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>>2748420
No.
I know a professionally diagnosed autistic dude that is better at conveying emotion than I'll ever be. Everything he does is very clear and concise. There's no middle ground where I'm not really sure what he's trying to express. His art is terrible, but his emotions are probably the best thing about it. That's where he really has to think about what he wants.

Personally, I've been diagnosed with Aspergers, and I have a hard time visualizing emotions, but even I have work arounds to get what I want (pretend i'm in the picture and capture the pressure in my face, etc).

You're simply excusing yourself. It's not a face; it's a machine.

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Does anyone know what would be the best way to aproach this book?

I already understand basic perspective and form drawing but I feel this book is unclear about how should I practice the concepts in it.

Should I draw after every chapter? or should I read it all and then draw? If anyone has read it I would appreciate some guidence on how to practice for it.

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and the mechanical object. im not skipping the feet and eyes exercise i just dont have the means to do them right now

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>>2743150

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>>2748267
>>2748285
how do i improve

>>2749283
by reading keys to drawing

>>2749283
read the sticky
i can tell you didnt because you didnt resize your image.

>>2749295
look mom i shilled it again!

>>2749296
i did but it looked like too much work to resize it

>>2749302
never come back

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Trying my rendering. How can I improve? I'm a poorfag so I literally draw on printer paper, will I notice a change if I were to get better materials? Any book that you reccomend on rendering?

>>2749334
your darks are too dark

>>2749334
don't listen to >>2749335 your tones are just fine. It look pretty good so far, try taking photos in better lighting or use a scanner though

>>2749342
Thanks m8. Scanner is kill, so yeah I had to screw with the camera to get most of the tones, next time i'll get some more light in here, might even open a blind for a change

>>2749307
I like these a lot.

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forgot about the tinted bottle exercise. so here it it. will do the eyes and feet during the week.

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How did I do?

>>2748730
Is this a literal asscat?

>>2748999
>2008 I
>8

I?

>>2749358
I would strive for more accuracy

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Question:
How would one go by on making something with this style?

If you could mention the steps, program used and also each tool(brush tool, pen tool) that would be great.

>>2749463
An understanding of fundamentals and how to manipulate them in such a way that is appealing yet still doesn't necessarily break the underlying rules of anatomy, lighting, form, and perspective.

As per tools, it looks like Photoshop.

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>>2749417
youre right the proportions were off. i did another. for some reason the angle didnt really make for interesting value patterns

>>2749465
Thanks, but I was more curious on the technicals like how to achieve clean yet varied lines

Was this all done with the brush tool?
How would you have done it to get this style?

>>2749470
A hard round brush could make it with pressure variation.
On the other hand, you could also do it in Illustrator, since the you can vary the line weight manually.

>>2749472
oh, alright I see. so it's the pen pressure that makes it
What's a good way to learn line weight?

>>2749381
Yeah, it's for a friend

>>2749475
Line weight can be achieved when you have good control over your lines, either digitally or traditionally.
I mean, in the end it's all about how well you can control the pressure you're exerting on your pen fast enough to not get squiggly lines, but not too fast to make inaccurate lines.
The drawabox exercises help with that.

>>2749480
Oh wow, drawabox looks great. Thanks for the resource :]

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rate my CHICKENSCRATCH senpaitachi

>>2749499
nice

>>2749263
work in more layers to be able to clean up edges easier

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>>2748402
Finally got around to touching it up. Fire away.

does anyone have any tips on how to keep drawings consistent. (what i mean by this is that i find tremendous difficulty in replicating an image that i have drawn once before)

>>2749537
Lay in the basic shapes at the start don't go small until you are sure you have the shapes down right.

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why is faces so hard for me? i've drawn many sketches like this one were i get an idea but then when i get to the face i hit a brick wall, its the most frustrating thing ever and i was wondering if there was any advice on how to get past this?

>>2749543
oh Christ the resolution fucked up my b

>>2749543
Well your proportions are not good, so I would suggest working on that first.

Basically, learn how to draw from scratch. Look up anatomy guides and facial anatomy guides, then practice lots, then post something worth critiquing.

>>2749543
Aside from what >>2749548 said on the basic stuff, I recommend you to lay in all the basic stuff before commiting to details as you did in your pic.

>>2749532
I think the one before looks a bit better.
Why I think that is because your shading is coming of as heavy and rough, for the type of drawings you're doing.
I'd recommend you to drop the values a bit.
Use lighter grays.
If you're using india ink wash, put more water on it. I usually fill 75% of a brush pen cartridge with water and drop only a few drops of ink. It may get too light, but you can control it with layers of strokes.

>>2749557
Thanks for that. My problem with the earlier one is that the shading seems at odds with the linework, makes it look flat and boring. When the values go darker, I think there's a lot more depth. I do think the face should have much softer shading though. Maybe I'll give up on linework and just focus on values from now.

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>>2749557
Also, about the diluting the ink, I do that. But I guess it's hard to tell when to stop applying more layers.

While we're at it, does this suffer the same problem? I've posted it before but never got any feedback.The reason I took my values darker in the first place was in response to a critique on an earlier version.

>>2749368
Stop with chicken scratches, be more confident with your lines.
Do draw-a-box to help with this.
Also don't be afraid to post the whole image

>>2749561
The ) and ( on either side of her mouth don't look right.

>>2749607
Digitalfags will never understand the pain of these irreversible mistakes.

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I just made the wtf monster, what do you think of it ?
I would like to have an honest opinion on it !

>>2749620
How about you draw some boxes instead?

>>2749620
Wait so the background isn't yours?

>>2749627
>boxes i
What do you mean by "boxes" ?

>>2749629
No I just draw the monster, i'm a beginner, I can't paint such a backgroud for the moment.
But I like it that way.

>>2749620
>>2749631
>>2749632
I'm not sure if he's trolling or just being stupid.

>>2749632
Cmon man that's not right just sticking your doodles on top of other peoples' art. As for the monster itself, the lighting is so-so and the monster is really just too much of a clusterfuck to even critique. Like, cool, you can chuck some random shit together to make a form.
If you want to get better you have to study real life, THEN you can take this knowledge and skill and do something creative.

>>2749636
I like doing it so there is nothing wrong with it I think.
But thanks for your review.

>>2749645
Return in 3 years.

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I've got this one too, what do you think of it ?

>>2749610
It looks more intended that a mistake

>>2749650
That's some highly combustible nightmare fuel, that's for sure

>>2749650
Okay so this one is a lot better. You actually have some modicum of technique here. Again, ditch the background. It's immoral and unnecessary, especially to post here.

It's messy, it's very visibly lopsided, but it's also oddly endearing, in a way. Colours are nice, shading is okay, bit inaccurate. I love watercolours tho.

Please ditch these damn backgrounds.

>>2749658
I understand why you say it's immoral, but I realy dont care about that. I like doing it and I can. It's all that matter for me.
But, yeah it can be awful !
Thaks for the review.
I just saw a tutorial on painting, So today just colorised some of my drawing, but I did not take it seriously enough. I have to work on

>>2749674
Wouldn't it be far more satisfying to create your own backgrounds? How can you be happy with work which is not totally your own?

I would never settle for such a thing.

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>>2749681
It depends.
Of course some day I would draw my own background, and I can't waint this moment.But I just started to draw and I only learnt basics shits about drawing faces and body parts.
I like to see something I draw on a background, even if it's a picture or a painting.

>>2749695
tumblr fags would pay thousands for this crap and I'm here unable to determine if this guy is trollinig or 9.

>>2749724
Don't worry, your life will not always be shitty !

Does anyone have that image of "Learning Art Fundamentals In A Year" that has Scott Robertson and Erik Olson" as starting points?

I lost it in a browser crash and I can't find it again.

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o council of sages, how do I master the arting of thicc

What have you anons found to be the most useful to your progress, following exercises from a book or simply drawing from reference and attempting to correct your problems over and over?

>>2749868
Stop drawing egg-shaped boobs.
Buy some plain paper.

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Is there any consumer appeal for shitty lines?
Or is straight and mechanical the best for bg's

>>2749889
Rough lines allow for acceptable inconsistency, like the tops of those pillars. Only because it looks more like a draft rather than a final piece. They're fine to use on natural subjects too.

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>>2749893
Is it acceptable to smudge the foundation as well?

For me personally I love the backrounds of ed, edd, eddy because they look purposely kind of shitty and cartoonish, but I feel for most people it would just look shitty without no redeeming appeal

>>2749902
If that's your style then go for it. If people want a perfect line drawing then they can take a photograph and put a photoshop filter on it, or make it in google sketchup or some shit. The way you choose to draw something adds character to it; you can draw pristine new buildings with clean, perfect lines, and draw rundown buildings with rough lines, to invoke connotations to the scene you're creating.

I like Ed, Edd and Eddy backgrounds because they kind of feel like a cheap set with shitty lighting. That image looks like it has a single light source coming from off-screen, for example.

>>2749868
First of all stop using the word "thicc" and then get the whole "thicc" concept out of your head you nigger

>>2749868
>boob doesn't attach to anything.
>neck floating in air.
Nigga wut

Guys, when doing a Potrait, how do you start..
I just dont know where to start.

>>2749993
Draw a circle and then draw the fucking portrait

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>wake up
>wew time to draw
>watch a few youtube videos
>end up watching an 1.5 hour video of some guy doing a portrait
>wew that's enough drawing for today

>>2749998
you're gonna make it

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Is it worth it to take a schoolism course?

>>2749998

Someone in the "Last Artist Standing" thread said that knowledge or seeking it out is an insecurity. Like you're bundling yourself up against the brunt of potential failure by trying (or pretending to try) to soak up knowledge by watching others or reading books.

End of the day, it really comes down to you drawing shit and you absolutely need to.

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>>2749998
Why do you even do this if you're not going to draw?

I'm not trying to flame. I'm genuinely curious.

>>2750031

>Someone in the "Last Artist Standing" thread said that knowledge or seeking it out is an insecurity.

Post that someone's work

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After years of no drawing I decided to go at it again. Girlfriend received a watercolor box a while ago, never done it before so I tried. It's way out of my confort zone, used to mostly chickenscratch with pencils. I like it but I think I already reached my limitations.

Any advice ? I take anything:

-material suggestions
-techniques
-color knowledge
etc...

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>>2750083
And the only other one... These are from pictures but I don't want it to become a habit. Just practicing.

>>2749194
Heres something I doodled an hour ago. My sketches never seem to progress much further than this because when I do I just get frustrated that my faces look like they have downs syndrome.

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>>2750090
forgot pic

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what is wrong with my draw?

Hey /ic/, I'm a beginner and I have a kinda retarded schedule, so sometimes I have like 30 minutes to spare to draw and I just wanna grind out some practice of my fundamentals.


What sorta exercises would be useful to do in that sorta time? Thanks. <3

>>2750099
she's missing one arm wtf

>>2750099
Because you don't even know that you don't know how to draw.

Read the sticky, please.

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Had the ref on another monitor. Any critiques? I've already noticed a few like the right shoulder being too small.

>>2750108
>adding tits
>head too big
>weird ass eyebrows
and other things but I can't be arsed to analyze this masterpiece better

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Noob here I need pointers

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>>2750108

>>2750119
Read stock and don't do anime until you have the fundamentals down. Anime drawing keeps you locked in really bad habits and ultimately hinders your ability to draw. I'm >implying
That your new, but in case you are: don't fall for the Loomis right away meme, do it after you've got perspective and lines. Also, seafood what most people on this board say, drawing isn't grinding fundies for 18 hours a day. Keep a balance between staying what you want to and practicing for improvement.

READ THE FUCKING STICKY READ IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING UNOBSERVANT SHITS READ IT FUCCCCCK

>>2750114
>>2750121
Okay so I made the head way too big and the body too small. I added breast cause I felt like it. Appreciate it guys.

>>2748645
good job, keep improving!

>>2749940

are you sure about that

consider how thicc some girls can be

>>2748667
Shouldn't that left eye (His right eye) be placed a little bit over to the right?.

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r8 me h8 me

>>2750102
just trace anime

How do you guys balance learning fundamentals, drawing for fun, and challenging yourself?

I'm learning perspective and it kills my drive to doodle for fun. I guess it's the whole technical language that the perspective lessons throw at you.

>>2750375
Drawing for fun is whatever. Fundamentals is challenging myself because it's doing something that I haven't done before. It's usually not easy nor fun, but you learn something from it. Although the time in and value taken out seems small, it's better to think of it in the long run.
>tfw take 20 hours just to understand two point perspective

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now heres the foot exercise. now onto the master copies since i did the rest of chp 1 exercise. ill do the eyes tomorros

>>2750393
>drawing in lined paper
I know you can afford the better paper.

>>2750395
i know but im at work. i couldnt find my fucking sketchbooks so i have to use the back of these blank reports

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I should probably add some more people, no?

>>2750283
Not only do you need to resize, but you need to learn how to draw a circle before doing anything too complex like that.

>>2750417
draw people under them grabbing the people you already have drawn by the pussy

>>2750419
That's a good idea, maybe not the pussy part.

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the first master copy. i used 2b then went over with a 6b on the parts that are supposed to really dark. ill probably push the background values a bit darker

I'm having a mid-20s crisis. I'm 26 and just starting to learn. Am I too old? Will I be able to draw well before my 30s?

>>2750425
do it subtley and see if anyone notices

>>2750425
Deny it. If they keep pressing you, tell them they're Wrong.

>>2750375

Right now, I personally have to draw much better in a quicker way, so I've gone full fundy-research and perspective-fun drawing last.

Not that it's helped. Ha ha.

>>2750443
that's four years, dingus. of course you can make it

I picked up the Keys to Drawing based on the recommendations from the BIG STICKY and I eyeball the lessons it gives but honestly the lines in this book are really harsh.

Should I just suck it up? Like, should I be learning from a resource where I don't really like the style it gives?'

>>2750461
This isn't style, this is fundamentals.

>>2750463
I guess I just should read into it further.

Do I do this concurrently with Drawabox / Perspective Made Easy?

>>2750469
You should, but that's too much for some people, so just do one at a time.

>>2750441
This is just lazy. Do shading that doesn't look like a bunch of zigzags. Compared to this issue, pencil specs are completely unimportant.

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Kill me.

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>>2750504
Then there's that. I just stared Tablet shit. Probably better on paper.

>>2750495
wat, he literally does zig zags in the book. maybe i should post the updated one. ill do that when i finsh the crosshatch copy

>>2750031
Sounds about right. I spend more time watching videos or thinking about drawing than actually doing it

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>>2750555
and heres the updated one

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First post here. I haven't drawn since I was like 10, but I want to learn. Picked up Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and just finished the first "real" drawing of the book. I know it's shit, but god damn it's the first thing I've ever drawn that I'm actually pretty happy about.

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>>2750556
wtf i hate hatching. oh well ill use a pen for the next exercise and maybe itll look better

>>2750518
can you post the example you're talking about? I find it hard to believe his shading looks like yours.

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>>2750594
ill try, i cant figure how to print screen on this laptop, for now heres a banana

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another shitty copy of other artist...
nothing to say

>>2750604
what are you gaining from this

>>2750606
training eye, getting parts,etc...
i think copy is one of basic study when artist is shit

Wannabe artist checking in.

Is furshit (clean) OK to post here?
Anywhere for furshit as fast as chan for feedback?

Wanted to post some WIP stuff and ask if I should keep at what I'm doing, or figure it's a waste of time. Trying to do higher quality non-stereotypical furshit. Fur that's actually rendered and not symbolic, anatomy that is actually both hybrid and plausible, anthros that aren't tryhard-vixens nor halfhassed but "average" looking. Etc.

Feel like I'm nearly "there" but also that this is all a deadend, and I should just take up furshit drawing methods instead.

>>2750610
Global rule 3: Furry not allowed outside of /b/, but this is the place that mods don't check. Also you're gonna be shit on for drawing furshit but who cares.

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>>2750610
>>2750614
Fuck it, here's an upper forearm. It just happens to have fur.

Trial fur rendering from shoulder to elbow crook. Should have discernible bicep, tricep, etc.

Stereotypical furshit is shaded skin with some symbolic hints of fur thrown on. I'm thinking form should be denoted by directional flow of hair as much as lighting if it's of any length at all.

Is my monitor color calibrated correctly? On my drawing monitor: the background is greyfog tinted green and the fur highlights have a golden hint. Yet on my browser monitor: It's foggy-blue and hit by a magenta light like an 80's movie set downtown. The fuck is going on with my two monitor's color calibration.

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>>2750594
here's the thing that says its scribbly

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>>2750594
and heres the example. the point of the study is to study different 'handwritings'

>>2749993
Larger shapes to smaller shapes.
Never ever start from doing a detailed part.

>>2749018
Regarding Loomis, would his methods of construction (blook ball, doohinkus skeletons) be considered a form of "symbol drawing"?
I mean technically when you use them you always start drawing the same way (start drawing the head as a ball and work you way down) rather than drawing things as they are, this is probably a stupid observation but isn't that the same as symbol drawing where you draw what you think something should look like rather than what is actually there?

>>2750630
This is why people don't understand artists. They see something and think it's something else. It may look the same on the outside, but in your mind, it has different intentions. Construction is to help guide you. Symbol drawing, forget it. It's something just to scare beginners so that they stop fucking around.

>>2750617
>Is my monitor color calibrated correctly?

Is it a desktop monitor? Is it IPS? Is it Technicolor certified?
If "Yes" to all three, then reset to technicolor factory defaults. If "No", then buy a fucking IPS and get with the times.

Is it a laptop screen?
You're fucked. I've never gotten one properly calibrated. You'd need this special handheld tool that sees and reports color, they're not cheap. Online calibration aides don't really work.

>>2750637
>Is it a laptop screen?
Wait, even on macs?

>>2750630
>Is construction actually symbol drawing?
Yes, but it's not the final product.

Volume, you need to understand volume. Try speed-sketching still life around the house or even people without defining the outlines. Loosely scribble to fill in volumes, orient/style the scribbles to describe the volume.

Brains find edges of objects to be very important, but they aren't stored perfectly in your mind. You need a "feel" of the space the mass actually occupies, not just the characteristics of it's outline, if you want to stop symbol drawing.

Construction is just when you've got no direct reference, but to fully utilize it you need to fundamentally understand the volume of what you're putting on the construction. Otherwise you'll just end up drawing a higher detail symbol over your construction framework.

>>2750600
Do you do all of your drawing in a car/at work/etc. ???

>>2750638
>Wait, even on macs?

1) If it's not an IPS panel, it's already fucked. Just having the lid at the wrong angle will throw everything off. LCD screens have always had shit viewing angles until IPS.

2) If it's a laptop, the brightness will manually or even dynamically adjust. This will throw off any manual calibration you've done, it's only is accurate to the backlight setting you calibrated it at. Even still, manual calibration isn't very accurate.

3) You need either:
Factory-certified to an international standard default settings you can reset to.
Or: Handheld color-reading gizmo which isn't cheap.

Until somewhat recently, you either had to seriously research your LCD monitor before buying and generally had to go high end, or just buy a CRT which had superior image for nearly a decade after they were phased out.

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Some advice and opinions?

>>2750642
nah, i try to avoid drawing in here because its literally hard to draw (small penand touch literally in the seat next to my leg). so i just paint here, hence the finished symbol portraits. im just plowing through keys right now cause you guys say to and i happen to be at work

>>2750650
Now, I have no idea what your work is, and I kinda don't wanna judge, but, shouldn't you be, you know, working?

>>2750646
Drew from a reference? Just overlay and see how accurate the anatomy was.

Your pencil shading is pretty rough. Try charcoals, or smudging.

Overall: Highschool art.

Contrast is something you need to conquer. Eg, consider the white band of reflected light on the hair.
1) Is the light reflection band through the hair really that white compared to..... it's immediate surroundings? Like the much darker hair?
2) Is the light reflection band through the hair really that white compared to..... something somewhere else like the well lit area of the chest? Or maybe the highlights on the knee?

Beginner shading tends to have problems with contrast both in local areas and across the whole piece.
Amateur shading tends to have contrast errors in the shading between distant regions since the artist's perception shifts going across a piece.
Skilled artists will still have trouble but develop a feel for it.

>>2750651
If people got paid overtime when there was nothing for them to be doing at work at a particular moment, we would have the ~20 hour workweeks the 21st century was supposed to.

~30% of the time I'm waiting on other people or things, or done with everything which can be done in that day, or done with everything which needs to be done in any one day. Then I'm just looking busy or intentionally stretching work out to fill time.
Most people are paid to fill a seat more often than not.
Technology has significantly shortened the actual hours most jobs require compared to when the "40 hour full time" standard was implemented.

Not him. Different anon here.

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>>2749109
There was a post in the previous /draw/ depicting Abraham Lincoln head with various lightings.
Pic almost related

>>2750651
i literally am. im living the dream and work security, i just have to drive and make my rounds regularly (every 10-20min). owners literally told me i could do whatever i want (i think they actually want me doing art though and i think that has something to do with me getting the job in the first place)

>>2750662
the fuck is your job

>>2750662
Anyways, I know you want to get trough keys fast, but it wouldn't hurt putting some extra time in the exercises. Strive for better accuracy.

>>2750662
It's a glorious feel.

>"things are slow, mate, why don't you go set up out the back and paint for a spell?"

>>2750655
thanks :)
btw just had B6 in that moment xd

>>2750669
>btw just had B6 in that moment xd
I have no idea what you just said.

Anyway, the brightest area of what you're trying to draw should be the only pure-white thing. The darkest area should be the only pure-black thing. Both of these will actually be pretty small areas or not much for most stuff, naked people included. Utilize the full range of contrast.

Try using a greyscale swatch gradient on hand or on your drawing to compare stuff.

Otherwise, it wasn't bad excepting the actual figuredrawing.

>>2750667
youre right i could be more accurate, keys allows for accuracy and portions to slip on those master copies specifically

>>2750664
security except i dont work for an actual security company, i just work for a family owned company that happens to have a security position so theyre more lienient

>>2750668
oh i know. i literally feel like i dont actually have a job

>>2750641
>Construction is just when you've got no direct reference, but to fully utilize it you need to fundamentally understand the volume of what you're putting on the construction. Otherwise you'll just end up drawing a higher detail symbol over your construction framework.
So you're saying that when using construction I should draw the features that are on the subject before I draw the outlines or am I misreading your post?

>>2748925
I'd Say its headed in an Ok direction

>>2750280
>>2748689

>>2750083
i loved it

>>2750417
I really like this

i used to be quite good at drawing (people said it) but i stopped drawing for a few years because i got bored of it and now i have no hobbies haha lads JUST

>>2750709
Pick up keys to drawing and start learning again. Also, plebs will call a very average drawing to be very good.

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dumping more keys. 6, 1 min gestures. i havent done these in a while so they suck

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>>2750740
2 min continuous line, i misunderstood and didnt realize it was supposed to be for figures so i did a truck

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>>2750741
five min burn. turns out my landscape studies style already matches this

>>2750741
A truck is fine too.

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>>2750742
yeah i messed the top bar up oh well

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>>2750743
what a relief. ill probably end up working on this a bit more but these conclude my efforts for the day and ill get those eyes done soon

>>2750747
>>2750747
>>2750747

>>2750747
>>2750747
>>2750747

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>>2748303

How do I apply all this stuff I've learned about perspective into drawings? I understand the eye-level horizon line, I understand how boxes look up/down the horizon line and rotated around, I understand that parallel lines converge at vanishing points, but how will this help in an actual drawing? Like in figure drawing. I don't know how I'd apply my knowledge of how boxes work to people; people aren't made up of boxes.

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This is the 2 point perspective exercise on Draw A Box.

What's wrong with panel 2? It looks weird and I don't know why.

>>2748533
Post arm muscles

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How is this?
Could someone critisize me please.

>>2752992
ugly kill yourself faggot xD