/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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decided to move on from drawing female figures since i've come to the conclusion that i am getting nowhere. want some advice here so i have something to think about while im doing other things.

what am i doing wrong here?

>>2745149
try gestures then fill in the gestures with a construction. remember the gesture isn't the contours

>>2745149
well... think. what does appear to be the officer problem? If something doesn't feel right, then it's probably not. Try to pinpoint why it feels weird and correct those areas. However I think, in your case, either make the top of the figure bigger or the bottom smaller. Make it more of a hourglass figure, or a cylinder- like, but not conical.

>>2745064
critique pls

>>2745161
never really understood gestures desu, whenever people try and explain it they use meaningless words like "flow" and "feel". idk what they actually consist of.

>>2745176
i once read that the hip is wider than the shoulders so i tried to emphasise it. i get what you mean though, its too much.

anything else you can tell me?

>>2745197
It's a fairly abstract concept. What you want to do is capture the energy in whatever you're depicting.

Put simply, you're trying to draw not the body, but the way the body is being effected by gravity and motion. You're not drawing a static piece, but rather the action that is happening.

>>2745197
yeah one more thing. Don't listen to me, I don't know ANYTHING about form or proportion, hell i barely even draw. your sketches honestly look better than my full pieces.

>>2745197
About gestures. What you probably want to do is make it look natural, the way the body would actually behave. You have to think and imagine in your head, if a part of the body is in that position, what would it actually look like.

>>2745197
>anything else you can tell me?

Do 1 Figure on large paper and measure proportions. Take like 2 h or so without shading just to get proportions correct and learn to measure. Start with marking where which landmark is supposed to be and after that draw the figure.

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>>2745132

>>2745197
Gesture to me is the form of the body, that creates the overall shape. I found that this can be created by shadows, occasionally seeing people not drawing all the limbs and shading them in to show the gesture.

Also You might want to do it using thumbnails so you get less focused on the details.

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As I see it, my biggest problems are lineart and rendering.

I want to focus on fixing my lineart first - any tips how to do that?

Should I keep trying with brush tool, or learn about pen tool?
Any book recommendations? (the ones that I found focused on using traditional tools; I want to do it digitally)
Am I overthinking it? Should I just draw more and it will "click" for me?

>>2745241

Lineart is mainly increased traditionally, because when you do something in ink you can't undo that shit. So you concentrate more on doing it clean the first time. Digitally the undo button hurts in getting clean lineart.

>>2745241
Completely forget lineart, its totally unnecessary unless you are doing black and white. Just actually paint in your edges, that always looks way better then a solid black edge no matter how good the lineart is.

>>2745241
the tools are fine. Your linework looks confused, like you don't really know where to put it.

You use lines on the general outline of the figure as well as wherever the form turns and when the forms overlap and lastly wherever there is occlusion(4 things). For example if you stretch out your leg you can see your knees overlap/taper over your lower leg and your outer ankle overlaps a small part of your foot. If you're fat you can hunch over and look at how your belly fat presses together and creates occlusion. You could use carefully placed lines to define that in a drawing.

When you're rendering you want to keep in mind what type of lightsource you are using. Is it hard or soft? is it warm our cool? The shadows will follow accordingly.

It looks like you are using a hard light on the face because the nose is casting a pretty solid shadow onto the cheek but on the body it's soft light because none of the shadows are clearly defines. You're gonna want to pick one of the two and redo it.

>>2745249
I also think he is confusing construction with contours. Construction lines are what you use to build and define the form in 3d for your benefit and aren't supposed to show up in the final product. Contours have no purpose but to show the edges of he forms.

>>2745247

>Just actually paint in your edges, that always looks way better then a solid black edge no matter how good the lineart is.

I prefer a painterly approach as well but that's still wrong. There's plenty of phenomenal lineart out there that benefits by virtue of having good lineart.

>>2745243
Thanks!
I guess I discarded traditional art too quickly; I'll go back to my sketchbooks for a while.

>>2745247
Sounds cool; I'll definitely experiment with this approach. Thank you.

>>2745249
>>2745254
Oh, I see! So, for example, the vertical line that crosses the navel was unnecessary, because none of those 4 things occur, right?
I guess I really was mistaking construction lines with lineart.

And thanks for rendering tips - I'll keep them in mind for later.

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Pan sketch

>>2745282
tank looks cool. Face needs more loomis

>>2745203
>capture the energy

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I could've made the image colorless but I'm trying to train myself to guess values from color

I've read both Gurney books & Hornungs, am I ready enough start using color?

>>2745306
Well you've got some drawing errors in it like the size of the features, the size of the shoulder, the structure of some things especially around the eyes, the neck is too wide etc. You also are not going dark enough so it's really washed out looking.

That said, just start using colour as well. I think your value sense will improve when you think in colour rather than trying to translate colour to value.

>>2745310
Alright, I will do thanks

>>2745306
It's pretty good. There are only a feeew proportion issues, mainly with the face, but it's nothing important.

Yeah, I think you are good to go

>>2745306
likes like your fundies are ok.
now time to practise more.

>trying to draw and erase while blowing the eraser bits off
>accidentally spit on my paper
ffffffffffffffffffffffuck

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I don't really know what I was trying to do here, just felt like sharing my baby progress.

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>>2745149
Your pelvis "bucket" shape seems to be placed arbitrarily, and coincidentally always faces the same direction as the ribcage.

Find challenging poses and focus on the placement of the ribcage & pelvis, and their relationship. Use boney references and pay attention to the landmarks (iliac crest, pubis, sternum).

Proko's "robo-bean" lesson covers this in more detail

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>>2745464
Looks like you're still symbol drawing. Try turning your reference upsidedown before drawing it.
Read "drawing on the right side of the brain" for more exercises like this.

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>>2745518
This is my result trying that one excercise out but don't know what to make of it.

Currently going through Loomis, but I'm not really sure what book I should prioritize between Perspective made easy, Loomis and Drawing on the right side of the brain. Any recommendation?

Started studying PME but everyone keeps recommending starting with Loomis so I kinda just went there.

>>2745539
Low tier satan worship

Just be glad those idiots aren't doing child sacrifices

>>2745494
thanks, will try next time i start doing figures.

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can anyone explain to me why the ellipses are tilted? why arent they straight up? and why do they tilt in at the closer points and out at the further points?

>>2745527
They're all fine starting points
DotRSofB is mainly for observation. If you can recreate what you're looking at (and other people agree), then you can move on. If you post some studies/still-lifes and ask "am I symbol drawing?" Most of /ic/ will be able to tell.

Between Loomis & PME, just go with what you enjoy more -- you're gonna end up reading both anyway. Personally I prefer PME.

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Sketched this fantasy orckish dude just now. Does this board have a thread for character concept?

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Someone explain what I'm doing wrong. I cannot get the female body down. Not from the front at least, since I can't find any decent front facing references in the pose I want. Can someone please help me out and explain how hips and the space between them and the ribcage work?

>>2745572
>Does this board have a thread for character concept?
No, but you can feel free to make one.

>>2745573
>I can't find any decent front facing references in the pose I want
Nude females are probably the easiest ref in the world to find.

In any case, get some books on anatomy and/or figure drawing. Bridgman, Peck, Hampton, Vilppu, all these guys have good books on it.

>>2745572
the clothes are symbol drawn but everything else is pretty good.

you are on the brink of not belonging on /beg/

>>2745580
Does this look any particularly bad?

>>2745596
Well it looks like you don't know what you are doing really. The rib cage is misplaced, the lines aren't showing the anatomy properly, the silhouette is wrong. You need to learn what the pelvis looks like, what the proportions of it compared the ribcage are, how the rectus abdominus and external obliques connect them and attach etc.

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>>2745572
Draw bigger.
If it's a concept piece then you want to convey plenty of information -- especially that full body drawing. You can't do this with small sketches

>>2745560
need answer

stay safe lads, were all going to make it.

>>2745598
For shading, block in the halftones first. The right half of the face is noticeably darker than the left; but this is lost in the drawing, which looks flat as a result. Be clear from the beginning what's in direct light vs what isn't.

For hair, try to simplify into blocks of shape, again with clear light and shadow. Rendering the texture is secondary.

Check the alignment of landmarks against each other. The right side of her head goes past her ear, which is also too low; the right collar lines up with her nose instead of the edge of her mouth etc. Visualise imaginary lines like this.

>>2745560
>>2745612
It's unclear what you're asking

>>2745600
m-mind redlining?

>>2745620
i saw someone draw that in a guide. they said that in a cylindrical circular tube, those ellipses you see are tilted. i think they should be upright but im wrong since it was an experienced person who did the tutorial. why am i wrong?

>>2745624
The longest axis of every eclipse should be parallel. It does not tilt unless you add a vanishing point (not really necessary for the point of this exercise)

>>2745217
shieeeeeet mang....

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Someday this is going to be how I doodle people, and not how I draw them.
Some God-damned day.

>>2745681
cruz missle incoming

Looking through some old sketchbooks I noticed that I used to do a lot more creative shit back then than now, and even though it was horrible I still finished mostofmy drawings. Now whenever I wanna draw something I quickly realize that my drawings fucking suck and I just wanna go back to doing studies and shit instead of finishing a blatantly ugly turd.
Has anyone else felt this? Am I not gonna make it?

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>>2745740
boom

>>2745619
Not that guy but is there somewhere good to learn on shading? I have the same I problems you mentioned.

As a beginner how important are finished portraits?
Usually when I'm trying to draw without grid I get the first few lines down and then when it starts getting more complicated my proportions are all messed up and I lose motivation.
Right now I just draw small things like my hand and those are still shitty, but not as shitty as a full on portrait. I just want to draw pretty girls.

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>>2745134

>>2745789
If that's you goal, don't just give up and avoid anime/manga styles, so much talent is wasted that way.
Keep trying with at least one of the face pictures in each thread, you'll get somewhere

>>2745789

In face drawing keeping proportions is crucial, so mark really accurate reference points and lines (both vertical and horizontal) before drawing.

Some examples: Vertical from corner of the mouth to the end of brow, vertical from chin to the bottom of the nose, horizontal distance between the two etc.

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muh process

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>>2745831
Now you can do two separate illustrations.

>>2745306
Right looks like donna from suits

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>>2745573
your problem is that you are drawing what you imagine a female torso to look like based on cartoons and caricatures rather than how a human body looks.

i can't redline because i'm at work, honestly i would scrap what you have and try to draw from a reference. if you really want that extremely tiny waist, please look at references of women in corsets because that does not exist in nature.

>>2745831
>>2745841
I think this does look better as two separate illustrations, i think that to make it work as one as it is, you would need to scoot the desk and the man further to the right and partially obscure the woman's feet and flip flops.

>>2745960
ruler fag detected

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Wasted almost 2 hours on this, I think its time to move on

>>2745560
If you're still here, the minor axis of the ellipses should be parallel to the major axis of the torus.
Imagine making a circle using only the minor axis line of a series of ellipses. In that case, the minor axis of each ellipse would follow the circle, and the major axes of all the ellipses would be pointing toward the middle of the circle.
Same applies when you tilt a circle in space (an ellipse).

>>2745977
torus?
can you visually illustrate?
is it because we are looking down on it? if it were parallel to eye level would they all be vertical?

>>2745124
Is there any website that offers drawing lessons in a manner similar to duolingo, or codeacademy? in other words a comprehensive series of lessons going over the basics and building you up from there?

Also I have heard some people say there are alternatives to loomis that go over the same material in greater detail what would those be?

>>2745993
drawabox

>>2745996
Merci beaucoup!

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>>2745980
Basically yes. In this image, the red line represents both the major axis of the torus, as well as the minor axes of the ellipses that make up the torus. When drawing a torus in perspective, the red line would just be an ellipse, and you just have to make sure that the minor axes of the smaller ellipses are parallel to it, which means you have to tilt them.

>>2746007
If it's hard to wrap your head around exactly why this is, I'd recommend watching this series of videos on perspective. It isn't free, but it's very good at demystifying perspective.
http://www.marshallart.com/other/shop/videos/index.php

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>>2746007
>It isn't free
lmao
what you are talking about with the cross section. is it like this?

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>>2746021
Yes, when you add the ellipses you can see that it makes sense.

>>2745619
Thanks for the tips anon! I've been having trouble with shading and the hair so I'll look into halftones.

>>2745770
Seconding this

>>2745560
>>2746007
>>2746021
>>2746048
whoa, mind mildly blown

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>>2745135
Thoughts?

>>2746096
resize

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>>2746106

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Someone please fix me

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>>2746138
Rotated

>>2746146
resize it

no one is going to critique a doodle

why do you think someone is going to give a shit about something you did in three minutes

>>2745841
>>2745908
just curious, why do you think it'll look better as two separate pictures? i tried to line up the end of the desk with the start of the curtain to better illustrate the dichotomy of the two

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Help pls.

>>2746185
sort out your light source mate

>>2746188
That's it. More valuable words have not been said. Thanks.

>>2746189
actually on second thoughts its probably fine.

>>2746192
Nah it's all screwed up from all directions. You got anything else?

I want to draw eyes like Kanel (pic related), what steps should I take to get there? Willing to do any exercise, just need to be pointed in the right direction.

>learn from vilppu
>practice my gestures, anatomy, using organic shapes and soft forms etc
>think im hot shit
>suddenly
>"anon it looks like your drawings have absolutely no structure at all, it all looks like garbage"
>"arent you using geometric shapes?"
>realize my drawings are utter garbage
>i should have been using boxes to construct my figures instead of "gestures" or ovals, the bean etc.
>now drawing makes me sick.
fuck im ready to kill myself, all that wasted time. fuck you vilppu.

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>>2746048
this is the case if you are drawing things along the edge of the tube but what about a circle through (perpendicular to) it?

tough to explain so see illustration

>>2746204
oh i see nevermind. its the same cross section both. this is pretty tough huh.

>>2746197

Wasted? That's shit worth knowing. Gesture especially. It's the backbone of constructed figures. Otherwise you'd have been told you geometrically constructed figures are stiff and lifeless, and that you should study soft forms and gesture construction.

Just start doing geometrics along with perspective. Then you'll also know that stuff and the two will blend together.

You're just frustrated. That's what happens with this nonsense.

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>>2746196
Forgot to attach picture

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>>2746221

>>2746223
*Deep inhale*
That's fucking it? All I needed was three lines, and my eyes wouldn't look so bad?
Excuse me, taking a Jewish style shower

(Please tell me there's more to it than this)

>>2746237
>Please tell me there's more to it than this
yeah, skill
git gud

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>>2746185
I did a thing.
How can I improve it?

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>>2746221
b-bl-blog?

>>2746237
won't do you shit if you don't think in 3d, which is what half of this thread's problem is

>>2746242
>>2746246
Enlighten me then(Especially you 246), what skill would i need to develop, and how do I think in 3d? Any books/studies on this?

>>2746245
Not my work, I just said it was Kanel's and its in the pic, AND you could've done a reverse image.
(Excuse my samefagging)

>>2746262
read the fucking sticky

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>>2746221
im working in something related yo yordles, trying to ad dinamism. need advice.

>>2746272
Doesn't look bad, and I love Yordles, but I'm afraid I cant help you. I didn't draw the picture I posted, and I'm not any better than you.

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Haven't drawn in a couple years. Currently grinding anatomy and fundies. Gimme some tips boys.

Just in case, they don't have their mouths open, that's my attempt at doing lips.

Any tips for using charcoal?

>>2746275
symbols, sticky, noses are off, etc

>>2746197
They're equally important -- the human body is made up of both solid structures AND squishy mailable parts.

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>>2746272
head/face is really good. shoulders look like symbols, hip is off, i think the torso/trunk should be bigger qand the limbs smaller (not sure about this though).

if you want her to be cute (loli-esque), draw her thin with a bit of chub around the tummy and thighs, stickthin arms but again with some fat layering the trunk. minimal muscle. bottom heavy (thighs larger than shoulders)

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>mfw purposely giving bad advice so I have less competition

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downloaded daub brush and it's really shit brush what the fug

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I made this. What do you think? And if possible, how much would you pay for a commission like this?

>>2746314
Loomis.

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>>2745133
Not sure if I made her look angry enough

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>>2746286
thanks for the advice, dont know why i add anothers 2 body shapes for no reason,

>>2746314
fix the head/face

>>2746314
Cheesey hentai lines/10

>>2746323
i think you shouldnt listen to me too much. i think you are drawing something different to what i know about.

when a hip is seen at an angle. the widest point stops being the edge of the bone and starts being the flesh of the ass. so the widest point is higher on the side where you can see the glutes more. you have the widest point of the hip being at the same level on both sides which i think is wrong.

>>2746244
Your shadow color should be cooler, not warmer.

>>2746197
Don't be a faggot, you need to know both

>doing nofap
>time to draw female figures
oh boy cant wait for my constant throbbing stiffy all day

>>2746323
i think your breasts should start a little bit lower bud

>>2746383
Why aren't you focusing directly on drawing? Why let your mind wander?

>>2746109
don't use lined paper it looks middle school level

>>2746404
Problem with suppressing your natural human urges is that you cant pick and choose. Turn off your urge to reproduce, and all of a sudden you stop breathing
/s

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heres me trying

at least im better than i was last year. ill leave this thread one day

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I concede, can any of you guys recommend good videos about shapes and forms? I've just been sketching over reference photos with only a bit of construction. If it's any use to know I primarily use a drawing app on my phone.

>>2746329
>>2746393
thanks, ill fix that tomorrow.

>start drawing 14 hours a day
>quit
>it has already been a year
time to get back at it then

sketched a cyberpunk style feminine boy in late 2015 (left) and i decided to redraw it today digitally (right)

i dont regularly practice at all, and i draw something about once a month just on a whim. trying to get back into the hobby.

by no means is it entirely finished, but can i get some critique on my redraw? im open to any advice

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>>2746456

the picture

>>2746437
try 8 hours this time

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>>2746457
- You should consider doing studies of the eye and brow area. There are a lot of fat pockets and little muscles that bring a drawing to life and I don't see any attempt at drawing them in your picture.
- The 3/4ness of the portrait looks okay, but I can't tell from one drawing if you have just memorized a symbol for 3/4 lips, 3/4 nose, etc like a lot of beginners do.
- I know it is WIP, but your shading does nothing to communicate that this object exists in 3d space. I think you should take the time to learn about occlusions shadows, core shadows, how light reflects off surfaces etc.
- I think you should work in grey scale before moving onto colours. colours add an extra layer of complexity that may not be helpful for learners

Overall it is very flat. I don't think you would be able to draw this character's head from multiple angles. You should do still life studies to get your mind thinking and 3d, then work on individual studies of each feature of the face (eye, nose, mouth etc), then finally move on to full portraits from imagination.

>>2746512
Thank you very much for your detailed advice. I'll follow your instruction and see where it takes me.

>>2745619
>>2745770
Thirding this. I can never get that smooth gradient that others do so it ends up looking like stripes

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Based on all you guys see in my work what do you think I need to work on the most apart from anatomy that's a given.

>>2746587
can you draw circles on squares?

>>2746613
Yes, I can draw circles on squares.

>>2746616
can you draw upturned pins on those squiggle shapes you have there?

>>2746617
I would have to say no since I haven't tried that before. That's added to the list of things I must learn. Anything else I could work on ?

>>2746619
try it now real quick, you might have it already

can you do this >>2746095 ?

>>2746319
When angry, pupils tends to be more retracted. The mouth looks like she is disgusted. Close the mouth, contract the jaw, show teeth grinding, add tension on the neck. You have a lot of possibilities

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>>2746621
Not really know what you mean by pins. Like a tumb tack pushed into the squiggly shapes. As for the torus I need to work on that but the straight line circles I can do, need to work on circle quality though. if you can do a quick poorly drawn example I can see what you mean.

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>>2746643
this sitting with the point upwards. stuck to the faces of your squiggle shape.

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>>2746651
I want to say yes but they didn't come out perfect so I say its more of a work in progress, Fun exercise though. First time doing. Adding it to my routine. Also learned that I am shit with proper proportion and sense of space.

>>2746314
The chest waist area looks kinda shit. Maybe study clothing/clothing shadows? Also study some real faces, the current face has it's proportions/eyes/fucking everything all over the place. I don't even mind it's full anime, it's still kinda all over the place.

>>2746664
most of those are pretty good, practise it more though, its the kind of thing you dont want to only get 99%.

also simplify it, its not actually a pin. its just a circle and a line.

>>2746670
Yup will do and also I am tired so sorry for all the full stops when they aren't needed. Do you have anything else I could use to better my art ?

>>2746673
im working on the donuts myself, its real fucking tough so consider that one more. you also reminded me to scale the size of my pins so thanks. also you are drawing circles on squares in perspective right? because thats like the best one.

anyway godspeed mate, we're both gonna make it.

>>2746651
I don't know how big that pin is, but if it was large enough it'd make a great urethral plug.

Just saying.

>>2746675
Now draw it as one.

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promiscuous figure cocking a gun. dyanmic enough?

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>>2745130
I screwed up the proportions and noticed later

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Anyone else digital drawing?
I never had an artist side but I thought to try my hand at a new hobby, something that can be shown to people, that I can see progress. Anyway I can;t seem to get out of this "style" of mine. Pic related.

The lines always look the same no mater how thin I draw them, coloring is just SHIT, which I think is the main reason for the poor quality of what I draw, there's basically no shadowing.

I don't know what else to do, how to improve. Do I absolutely need a 4k tablet to ever do something worthwhile? How do I actually improve?
I mainly need to know more about shading and colouring because I feel my stuff could get a lot better if I knew even the basics.

pic related of course.

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>>2746729
Coloring and "style" is the least of your worries. Everything is symbol drawn. Read the sticky; judging by your deviantart it looks like you've been symbol drawing for a long time.

>>2746734
yes, so how do I actually improve? Do I need to take real life drawing classes? Give it to me straight doc, I really want to actually draw good stuff.

>>2746729
>>2746736
Read the fucking thread OP and pastebin.
Download keys to drawing and do it.

>>2746737
Will do, thanks.

>>2746736
find out what a study is and do them.

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i did it anyway

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Supposed to be semirealistic practice. Searching for own style

>>2746780
hahahahaha, nigga you gotta search for some lessons.

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>>2746780
Here is your own style.
:^)

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>>2745962
Yeah your right anon,I do use the ruler way too much. I`ll do the finished lines without a ruler from now on, thanks for the call out bruh.

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>>2746329
search some references and now i understand what u say,

change the face for something more "on-model" cuz the other one look like tristana instead of poppy. think the body is too tall for a yordle, dont know. critique, advice?

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guys which book will be good for me if i need to learn perfect proportiobs of human body? relationships between eyes and nose for example. i want them to be in harmony like old masters' works. my eyes are always different and out of harmony see pic related

don't know if this is the right thread but might aswell ask
how do I unlearn everything to start fresh? I used to draw a lot when I was a child and all the things I did back then are still in my system. Every time I try anything I go back to shitty blocks and sticks and everything looks like shit. I'm having trouble introducing amything new because I just fall back to the habbit of straight lines for legs because that's how I always did them

>>2746870
Work slower and much more deliberate. Work painfully slow, if you have to.

>>2746870
smoke weed and contemplate the objects around you
trust me

>>2746870
For yourself to practice the basics again.
First learn to draw the cube, practice free hand straight lines and curves, circles and triangles.

After all of that for a good while move on to gesture drawing and then manniquinization then to putting in the details. Just try with all your might to do basics until you have it down also do what >>2746873 said. Its not gonna happen over night.


Some books that you can read that may help you.

- Scott Robinson how to draw and how to render.
- Villpu drawing manual
- Michael Hampton- Figure Drawing - Design and Invention
- Some proko on youtube for anatomy
- Anatomy for sculptors.

If you don't mind pirating try cgpeers, go do some research on gumroad, patreon tutorials the likes and what you like download them and practice them and take it slow no need to rush. You can try some of the challenges on draw a box as well some of them are pretty fun to do.

>>2746870
Download keys to drawing, don't even think about your earlies hit, just focus on the thing you are doing now. You shouldn't be trying to unlearn the previous, you just start learning completely new things.

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Are these ellipses good enough? Would like to move to the next part, I've been on Lesson 1 of drawabox for weeks.

>>2746927
Dude, these are all good. These drills are for absolute beginners for line control and hand-eye coordination. Just go to the next part already, you can use this drill as a short warmup in the future.

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>>2745126
quick sketch of the body

>>2746927
Did the same you are doing and to be honest, a couple days of perspective made easy has taught me a lot more than doing weeks of lesson 1+2 of DaB, the only thing I would say draw a box is good for is learning to make clean lines and controlling your strokes. And it seems you're good enough at that, at least for a beginner.

>>2746931
>>2746943
Thanks, I'll do the next part then.
I'll check out Perspective Made Easy, it looks great.

>>2746651

Just an aside, but what is the idea behind snapping pin shapes to your organics? Perspective?

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To the people who are in the figure drawing phase and were really put off by Loomis/Hampton's approach.

I HIGHLY FUCKING RECOMMEND THIS BOOK INSTEAD.

YOU WON'T REGRET IT.

>>2746995
o-okay

>>2746997
Expect to put in a lot of work when you jump in though.

I'm talking about 6 hours a day for week on the first part of chapter 1.

I will guarantee that you will understand what "feeling the gesture" means.

>>2746995
Anything wrong with Hampton's work?

I'm about to get finished with perspective and was thinking on picking his books up.

>>2746968
just helps you train your 3d visualisation

>>2747003
I just think both Loomis/Hampton's books are absolute garbage if you're new to figure drawing.

They're good books AFTER you've learned about figure drawing. If that makes sense.

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Trying to get my head around hands.

i still dont understand how to construct fingertips

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>>2745126
>>2746935
and here goes the face. Gimme some feedback please

>>2747022
looks like the mural art in dragon age 2

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I feel like I've been having a lot of issues with the pelvis/hip bones lately, especially when putting them in certain perspectives like this:

I KNOW something's off, but I can't put my finger on what it is.

I've been trying a lot of different methods to try and understand the pelvis as a 3d object/shape, but something still isn't feeling right.

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some perspective shit, any suggestions?

>>2747058

It doesn't look like your figures have any volume in their pelvis. It just looks like two legs stuck on a torso like a manniquin. Try drawing the pelvis and buttocks as a simplified box shape.

>>2747022
Measure twice, cut once.

>>2747076
Keep watching.

I'm having some trouble trying to find how to practice painting from observation, even the scott robertson book talks about imaginary objects and light sources. Where should I begin? I want to be able to render any shit I see.

>>2746860
In official league art yordle's heads are a little more than one third of their total height.

>>2745693
pretty good

I feel I've been symbol drawing a lot, and I'm fairly sure its hurting me. Is gesture drawing good for me, and what's the best book on breaking away from this?

>>2747173
start with the greeks

but really, any of the ones in the sticky will help you. just not a cartooning book. bert dodson is a solid choice. but anyone who talks about 'learning how to see' will probably help you.

>>2746995
How to draw kaugummi (with no life inside). Certainly the teen best choice award.

>>2747175
Sweet, thanks. Are upside-down gestures, like Igor good too?

>>2747022
Slenderman needed a wife

>>2747173
>what's the best book on breaking away from this
There isnt one, its all practice and mileage. Drawing from life instead of photos makes a big difference, and drawing the same object from multiple angles.

>>2747091
care to explain better?

>>2747235
Your construction and measurement is off, if not there at all. You see the ref and subconsciously think "huge tits, long neck, long legs" and symbol drawing comes into place.

The saying comes from carpentry or whatever where if you cut off too much of something since you measured wrong, you're fucked and have to buy another piece. If the foundation of whatever you're doing is not right (gesture, proportion, w/e) you'll be polishing a turd.

>>2747076
Try free-handing your lines
Practice two things at the same time.

>>2746881
>Figure Drawing
Should I bother with that if I'm not interested in people/anatomy?

>>2746197
b-but in vilppu's drawing manual theres an entire chapter on constructing figure?

>>2746317
Care to elaborate?
I'm just learning and I'm trying to teach myself to spot mistakes.
Is it because the cranium is too round and not flattened at the sides and the eyes and ears too low making the forehead look huge?
Also the nose seems misaligned and the jaw seems unproportional.
I think this is what he did wrong but I'm not sure.

>>2747326
The head is pure symbol drawing with no regards to construction or anatomy whatsoever, it's one of those things where literally everything is wrong to an extent so trying to pinpoint flaws is pointless.
At least that's my opinion I'm not a pro either desu

this is actually really tough isnt it

>Finish linework/sketch
It looks awesome! I'm an awesome artist!
>Add value or form, looks like shit/wonky
Just fuck my shit up!

what are the steps between, for example, >>2745149 and >>2744576 ?

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Feedback on this please?

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Will someone please give me pointers on making sprite hands? I seem to be awful at it so far..

>>2747261
Yes.

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hey /beg/, any tips for this merm?

I understand "symbol drawing" by definition, but I don't understand it in practice. How can I tell if I'm symbol drawing or not?

>>2747508
Face looks a little scrunched up for some reason and imo unless your rendering is complete shit you're ready to get out of beg

How do I go about studying anatomy? Do I just copy from anatomy books?

>>2747526
It is, that and I generally have a lot of other flaws in my work. Thank you, though!

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Work in progress...

>>2745124
If I want to get in to digital art what program should I use?
Do I have to use photoshop or are other programs decent?

>>2747588
Clip studio paint

>>2747508
manjaw but supposed to be female?

>>2747570
I hope this is some autism comfort activity

>>2747530
do studies of refs

refer to anatomy books for constructional information when observational drawing fails

>>2747601
no but keeps the suicidal thoughts away.

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I tried to emulate a picture from the b&w inspiration thread, but my first coat of ink was already too dark. Does it still work though?

>>2747655
Your strokes look kinda dry and end up giving a rough texture not wanted on a drawing like that.
I'd add more water to your wash.

>>2747670
Thanks for the feedback. Do you know any good resources for watercolour techniques? I didn't do a wash at all for that picture, if that helps you gauge how much I know.

>>2747243
Thank you

>>2747681
Youtube has plenty good beginner tips on watercolour.
But from what I see there, you might want to get your stuff wetter and leave the highlights in pure white. It'll work better for delicate looking drawings.

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>>2745135
I messed up on the height of the eyes...

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>>2745135

>>2747710
the nose is also too long and facing the wrong direction, take a moment to watch and correct your mistakes before you start painting your piece. Also the right eye is a bit larger than the left one and they both look like symbols

>>2747570
>>2747603
jesus christ, I'd be suicidal as well if I had to draw this.

>>2747710
>>2747712
It concord with the rest of the drawing whichis a good point. To go further you certainly want to construct or deconstruct more, for now it's a bit shy.

>>2747712
The reference is in profile, but many of the features are facing forward. Study facial features from many different angles and draw them as 3d objects that rotate with the face.

Also the value difference between light & shadow is very minimal and the skin tone needs more warmth

>>2747710
>>2747712
Why is that forehead going to the right?

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>>2747733
>>2747735
Thanks for the crit! I'll make sure to incorporate it into my new drawings! Right now I am trying to focus on the planes of the face and how light falls over them.

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God damn it, cymbal drawing.

>>2747763
chuckle/5

where can i find good references for value studies for fucks sake

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>>2747770
I did this for value. But there's a lot of other things to fix.

>>2747785
he looks black

>>2747787
In terms of value or face-shape?

>>2747787
WE WUZ

>>2747792
Return of the kangz

>>2747793
N' SHIEET

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Nah it's good. Disregard my total lack of coloring skills.

>>2747804
Brown people beard and nose.

>>2747810
Yeah that's true. The beard looks like that cause I haven't gone into detail but I just can't seem to nail the nose or his facial expression.

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>>2745134
Exams are over and I can finally get back to drawing regularly. I'm so happy!

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>>2747804
>>2747813
Half paintover for you.
Make more plans and keep it simple until shapes are all correct.

>>2747851
Thanks. The nose is great. That expression tho is really elusive. But yeah thanks for the tip. Do you think I should start out with colors or gray-scale like this. Does it even matter?

>>2747863
Up to you. Grayscale is a good option. It's easier to build plans, mass. You will also have a better understanding of textures. Since the light in this picture is not really strong it will force you to be subtle.
Concerning the expression it's all about detail around the eyes and i think you must show the corner of the lips.

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Can I have some input on figure studies I did? Gestures and longer studies.

>>2747882
why are you even here

I'm just wondering if anybody else had this feeling when you start linking lines of your sketch and it just looks wrong somehow and it feel like the sketch looks better.

I always trash multiple line layer wasting hours because of this.

>>2747882
Only problem I'm seeing in your studies is that the head size seems a bit inconsistent.

I miss you too anon

>>2747882
BETTER THAN EVERY FUCKING /BEG/INNER IN THIS THREAD.

GEt OUT.

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Templar WIP

>>2747882
H-how did you learn that?

You used reference, right? Where did you get them?

>>2747882

I mean. What input would you want? Confirmation that you are well aware of what you're doing?

>>2747886
>>2747932
>>2747950

I'm sorry anons, I'm not really confident in what I do. In my defense, there was a lot of good studies in a previous thread, so I assumed I would fit there.

>>2747946

http://www.artmodeltips.com/poses/
and Steve Huson / Michael Hampton Books for construction

>>2747873
Thanks anon, you're the best. This is my first time on this board and I really like it. You guys are very constructive.

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should i put more time into making more accurate drawings when doing value studies?

basically quantity or quality?

could I have some feedback on >>2746109 please?

>>2747973
Do both. Do the occasional long slow accurate study, but also do quicker ones for mileage.

Also I would work on your edges right now you made everything too blurry.

>>2747977
okay, thanks

>>2747976
Looks like you're drawing cymbals. Check the sticky.

>>2747973
>basically quantity or quality?

Quantity will improve your intuition, while quality will improve your execution. You need a bit of both.

Quality might also improve your edgework a little, which is important when it comes to values. Part of the problem is probably your choice of brush.

>>2748071
thanks. what exactly do you think look like symbol drawing?

>>2748102
The main facial features. You think you know how these features look like so you just try to improvise. Try to look really hard at your reference and copy it. Some things are more cymbal than others but everything feels a bit distorted.

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>>2748102
Half assed paint attempt.
But it's basically that. People who symbol draw don't exactly understand what makes an eye look like an eye or how a nose looks like a nose, so they do the most basic they can to represent it.
The problem with it, is that you'll be unable to draw stuff in different situations. The eye, for example, wouldn't look like that on a profile view, but symbol drawers still represent them like that.

>>2747804
Eyes aren't aligned
Looks like he's got downs my dude

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>>2747882
This is amazing. Awesome stuff man

Update on the merm. I was out for a lot of the day, so here is some adjustments, especially with the face. Just want to nail the underdrawing before coloring

>>2748136
Aw crap. How the hell am I gonna fix that. Thanks for the spot.

>>2748145
liquify (or whatever equivalent) tool in photoshop

hope you have decent ram

>>2748147
rip

>>2748148
what resolution do you even work at?

>>2748166
This one is 2700x1500

>>2748147
>not having 128 GB of Corsair XxX420_Dominator_XXX ram that runs at 4200 MHZ

Plebs

>>2748141
Face says i'm from africa.
Rib cage says i survived auschwitz (concord with the first point).
Hips says i'm a simplified english (error!).
Choose one path.

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PALÄSTINALIED

>>2748235
Hello Rapoza!

Bumplimit reached, time to shitpost!

I have a question. I tried to follow the sticky and draw Picasso's sketch of Igor upside down. I didn't expect much, but it barely looks like what it was supposed to represent.

Should I just practice this drawing EVERY day until I hopefully eventually nails it, or should I draw random objects I frequently interact with and return when I feel confident enough?

>>2748257
The idea of the igor exercise is to train you to draw what you see, not what you think is there. That's why the image is upside down as it's harder to visualise.
Just focus on drawing the lines, their angles and length.

>>2748279
I know, I got that from the sticky, but what I was wondering is if I have to repeat this exercise until my mind snaps and simply gets it? Or is this the point where I should start reading one of those books to cement the idea inside my head.

I may just be barking retarded and making this more advanced and troublesome for myself than it really is, but I feel I'm getting some conflicting informations from the sticky.

Thanks for clarifying the meaning of the exercise by the way.

>>2748279
i thought that was the opposite of what we were supposed to be doing

>>2748264
>>2748264
>>2748264

>>2748264
>>2748264
>>2748264

>>2747804
looks like the guy from goonies.