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Post your nsfw artwork, critique work and so on.
Furry is not allowed. This thread is dedicated to helping anons improve their erotic drawings and paintings.
Do not start flame wars.
Do not reply to shitposting.
No lolis
Stay on topic.
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>>2704341
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>>2704341
LOLI IS NOT ALLOWED
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>>2704361
never mind I see you did the bare minimum to convey that kek
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>>2704341
Finally, goddamn took you guys a while eh?

>>2704361
>>>/out/
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>>2704371
>>>2704361
>>>>/out/
kys tardo
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Thank God I managed to save OP pic of the last thread, shame they didn't leave a blog link
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>>2704394
Nice underage meme kid
must feel good waking every morning up with the taste of bitter Mod sperm in your mouth
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>>2704371
>>2704394
have fun being banned. mods don't fuck around with that stuff
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i feel like something is very wrong but dunno what
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>>2704561
looks good to me
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>>2704565
idk man, that face looks pretty loli to me
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>>2704650
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>>2704561
>>2704565
>>2704650
>>2704696
and here we go again with this assblasted samefag.
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>>2704739
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>>2704768
best proof you are assblasted. you go out of your way to prove things to try covering the fact you are assblasted.
gtfo with your loli, captain autismo.
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>>2704786
>getting this triggered over a joke edit
do you even know how a loli looks like?
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>>2704739
>maximum projecting
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its called transformation mom
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>>2704943

Keeping eye on this.
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>>2704824
if you don't know what I'm talking about, please just stop posting. seriously.
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>beginner fag
>only draws porn
>going to art club in a few weeks

Will dump more if I polish them before 405
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>>2704943
It's really getting abysmal when shit like this is more skillfully drawn then 100% of the other shit that gets posted on here that aren't by vets like BBC.
With that said, nice construction and style. I don't even like shit like this, but I'll take good drawings then the fucking assblasted cuntbucket lolifaggot spergs out.
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>>2705176
this
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>>2705330
>>2703144
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Anyone has experience with selling comics online?

What's the best service?

Many sell on Gumroad but they seem to be icky on porn so it might be a time bomb.

Or what about this site?

http://www.curiousfactory.com/distribution/register.html
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>>2705361
Looking at Doxy's site, he sells with http://www.e-junkie.com/

But apparently they use Paypal? And paypal bans you if they find that you sell porn...
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I got a great critique a while ago, mainly to work on my lines and hands.

Any crits on this one? or advise for my future stuff.
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>>2705450
Very small shoulders and hands. The palm size should be quite similar with the face size.
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on the subject of no loli Im trying to make this face look older while still retaining cute features. Aside from the smaller eyes/ bigger nose kind of stuff you would associate with an older face Im pretty sure something has to be done with the chin and cheekbones, but it all comes out looking like shit when I try to change it
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>>2704943
do you have a blog?
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>>2705464
Sorry, I can't answer your question, but do you happen to have a site or something that you upload your work to?
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>>2705459
This.

Also heads feel too large, but it might look better if you increase size on what anon said.
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"trigger warning", gay furry buttsex.

http://i.imgur.com/R19s3fr.jpg

Anyways, critique away.
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>>2705532

woops. Actually fixed a good bit so update I suppose.

http://i.imgur.com/CVQuufR.jpg
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what makes a figure arousing to the viewer?

I've been analyzing my favorite porn material but I'm too dense to grasp completely what I should try to convey in my drawings to make it pleasing for the viewer. The thing that has been more prominent is how the artists manage to put as many anatomical information as possible in subtle lines while still keeping the simplified elements of their drawings
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>>2704561
The belly dude. The belly is wrong. It's too pot belly ish compared to her upper torsos angle.
Also her asshole (?)
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>>2705464
sorry for this being stylized to hell and back but hopefully it helps!
http://imgur.com/a/yaRqk
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>>2705642
not the original author, just wanted to say that's a great redline.
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>>2705641
everything is wrong.
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>>2705567
i like it..besides the gay furry shit, its pretty damn good.blog?
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>>2704561
Her left tit makes it look like she doesn't have a ribcage. Tits that big will show the curve of the ribcage under them.b I'd redline but I'm on mobile, and also shit at drawing
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>>2704561
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Why ban furry from a porn thread when furry stuff is arguably the most profitable???
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Ayy
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>>2706103
good art is profitable. being good at art is what makes you marketable. stop being a fucking scrub and you won't have to draw bad furry art to survive.
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>>2706158
>makes me wish I had three hands
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what's up with the /aco/ commission thread?

it's full of people drawing for $10 and people treating the artists like whores

is this normal, or just bottom-of-the-barrel retardation?
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>>2706055
I think, a change of angle might help
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>>2706409
nope, it didn't
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>>2706409
Blog?
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>>2706409
>...and then she farts!
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>>2706430
fugg
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>>2705361
>>2705368
Please respond.
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>>2706409
You got a blog? This is really sexy.
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>>2704943
If this is gaben then you've come a long way, I'm proud of ya
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I've never done lewd before. I hope it's just a phase.
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>>2705642
Holly shit thanks man, that's really helpful. I was not expecting such an in depth redline
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>>2705464
What's your blog? Contact info.
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rate my Futaraka selffuck!
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>>2706103
It's not the content, its the people who push the content. It's pretty much an empirical fact that furries bring drama and that's not something /ic/ or any other board really wants to deal with.
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>>2706687
If furries bring drama, then they are such a tiny problem I could never make them out between all the other shit on /ic/. People who do go mad over furries do manage to be a pain in the ass much more.

But then, furries seem to be happier on /trash/ anyway.
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First time be kind
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>>2706158
Not my fetish but the drawing looks nice. Blog?
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>>2706687
Furry used to be allowed and where was the fucking drama?
There FUCKING wasn't
The only people making drama around furries are the fags who wanted it banned because "muh triggered feelings"
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>>2706409
Hand over the blog and nobody gets hurt
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http://i.imgur.com/ei54bCP.jpg

Finished this, leg looks flat but I feel I need to move on.


>>2706687

I'll have to disagree. Reply strings and reactions ruin threads and this has not been an issue I've seen in /ic/. It's a generally civil board. Then again I'm a giant mr.gay so this comment probably loses a bit of gravitas but I rather like posting on /ic/ as it's one of the few places I can get some harsh feedback (trash does not have this). This would be made a bit easier if I could actually post my shit in file without worry of b&. Then again I could just get gabe's enormous balls and just post it anyways.

Really if you're posting porn of ANY kind in a blue-board, especially without spoilers, you should be banned. If the rule was exterminated the biggest effect, past an initial shit storm, would probably be furry threads in /h/ /y/ /d/ etc, but I don't really support or not support this. I just think /ic/ should be exempt since it's a place for artist to post and get feedback on their work, not spam or shit post, and it honestly moves too slowly for either.
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>>2706409
BLOG?
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>>2706772
wow you're good! reminds me of early nullghost a bit
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>>2704342
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>>2706409
blog?
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>>2706409
blog please
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>>2706437
>>2706488
>>2706531
>>2706805
>>2706972
>>2706984
dickbrains detected.
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>>2707070
take your meme, build a rocket, and then fly off the edge of my dick, thanks
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>>2707263
He doesn't need one, walking right over is enough for you.
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>try to draw two people """dancing"""
>this doesn't look right
>place black bar over their heads
>suddenly it's sexual assault
You learn things about yourself when you try to draw unfamiliar things without reference.
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>>2706488
>a pregnant woman with disgusting tits is sexy

Fucking preggofags I swer
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>>2707864
there's all sorts of dickbrains. you can't expect all people to have artistic taste.
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>>2706968
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>>2707070
What's the matter, anon? Are you upset nobody cares about your pictures of naked ladies?
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>>2707908
>there's all sorts of dickbrains. you can't expect all people to have artistic taste.
>my fetish is good taste, urs is bad, dickbrains!
Fuck off with this shit meme, if you have to use it, use when people ask the blog of a shit artist. And noo, doesn't matter if you think that artist is shit, that pic is better than most beginner work you get to see on the porn threads.
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posted this to /aasg/ but i was wondering if yall find this sexually appealing
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>>2707958
sexually? nah
visually? yea
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Just started this sketch, any critiques so far ?
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>>2706437
>>2706488
>>2706749
>>2706805
>>2706972
>>2706984
Can we ban blogposting? Seriously, I don't know if people are just trolling or if they're actually this retarded, but /ic/ has turned into a board where no one gives critique but just asks for blogs, no matter what the quality of the art is.
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>>2708006
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>>2708007
>>2708030
BLOG? XDDDDDDD


On serious note, I think her groin & legs are not well aligned with the ribcage; but it might be a willing exaggeration. Good job.
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>>2708040
>>2708030
Thank you !
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>>2707937
never posted my art in this thread.
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>>2707943
he's beginner tier mediocre at best. not saying he's shit, but he's nothing special.
and no, I'm not criticizing personal tastes here. I'm generally criticizing people that come here seeking for porn instead of critiquing or posting their art, a.k.a. dickbrains.
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>>2708007
fucking this.
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not really a porn drawer but I did this for a friend and had some fun. I'm always open to crit
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>>2706437
>>2706488
>>2706749
>>2706805
>>2706972
>>2706984
Artist is Heikatsu on pixiv, he mostly draws lolis though.
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Anyone have a good cartoon dick tutorial?

Something with like veiny juicy dicks
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Lolibro if you're here are you erojiji
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>>2708599
gtfo dickbrain
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>>2708599
who?
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>>2708611
>porn thread
>not a dickbrain

>>2708613
lolibro, a nickname of a guy who posted drawings on porn and alternative style threads

often lolis but not only and he apparently doesn't like much this nick but it's his own fault for not having a blog

and erojiji is another name seemingly unrelated but the styles match and in the archive there's a post that links to this pic >>2708599
(erojiji) saying "i'm the so called loli guy"

who cares (i care)
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>>2708209
lopsided face + vaginas dont leave the body to meet the dick dude
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>>2708082
Then fuck off
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>>2708625
>>2708599
>Source: /vg/
It's him but that's change nothing. His profile is dead for six years. It's more like he's "Lolibro" now, not erojiji. And "Utilizator" is not him 200%
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Do people even care about these mascots? I really like their design, but I'm not sure if I can catch the pokeymon deadGOem hypetrain
>>2704943
sick linework as usual, eternally jelly
>>2705464
digging the idea. If you wanna age things down - try to elongate the face, stronger cheekbones, unpuff the cheeks, smaller forehead.
>>2708030
Time to upgrade your pelvic bone knowledge, m8. Her hips are too wooshy right now. Lots of cool boney landmarks there, and you're not taking advantage of them.
>>2708241
interesting concept. You need to give areas of high contrast more love, aside from tweaking the anatomy. Also, you got no occlusion and the ground shadow's way too light, and no greens reflect on her skin.
>>2708599
cute. Why don't you show the lower eyelid's form here? it's not a blank line, really flattens the eyes.
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>>2708761
Not mine but you often see that

It's a delicate balance, which often results in too much rather than better

When I do it at least but I'm shit

>>2708756
Thanks for your input, yeah I just wanted to know if erojiji was "lolibro", I'd never seen "clean" art of him. I love >>2708625


Why mention Utilizator? I don't think I posted art from him.
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>>2708763
memes aside I think the hackprinz does the "3-d" eyelid thing really well. Like, the only black line in the eye only occurs due to heavy eyelashes, and they don't start growing immediately out of your eyeball.
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>>2708766
that's still very simplified though
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>>2708625
this is an art critique board. of course the people that come here are supposed to be different than you and other art hunting people that think with their dicks. as I said GTFO.
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>>2708702
I'm here to critique/help people that show some potential to be good smut artists.
so yeah, essentially, you GTFO tardo.
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>>2708835
well, critique the art i posted then, fucker
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>>2708880
why would I critique something that is not yours? stop posting other people's art to get their attention and most of all stop feeling entitled, you fucking scumbag piece of shit.
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>>2708007
Maybe because not everyone in the porn threads gives critique due to not being that skilled themselves, but still ask for an artist's blog if they like their work? There is nothing wrong with asking for a blog
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well, its not very hot and the context is confusing, but it was fun to color
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>>2706748
I don't even like furry, but this.
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>>2708924
background/rocks really flatten the img
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>>2708910
It does when it pointlessly bumps thread limit.
This is /ic/, not /d/, /h/, /aco/, ect. It's a CRITIQUE thread first and foremost. Fap to your hugbox circle of shit artists elsewhere.
Also, if you're going to shill your shit work, there's already an appropriate thread for that; >>2704025
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Polished it a bit. It's always a tough ride when you gotta fuck with their anatomy/perspective in order to get all the juicy bits visible.
>>2708910
please, do not argue with shitposters.
>>2708924
dragonbro's starting to hollow finally?
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>>2708945
forgot pick
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>>2707958
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>>2706687
t. newfag.

Tell me more how you are not new to /ic/ and how this board should work.

There was furry and loli shit long before, and there was a lot of quality works. Now porn threads are a nest of triggered faggots.
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>>2709043
But the sticky doesn't teach how to draw loli butts. Does this mean that if I draw a little girl I should shove Loomis fat dick up my ass?

Seriously tho, I think they have forbidden loli to avoid art that was tracing/referencing actual cp; which is illegal and could've caused some trouble.
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>>2708945
>please, do not argue with shitposters.
oh, stfu, he's completely right.
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>>2708992
haha, I simply love the feeling of cringe I get when I see such bad artists having a patreon.
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>>2708924
I am so disappointed in this piece.

>>2704943 is drawn so well. Like, it's amazing. The coloring in the final figure is really good, too, but then the background kills it. The background looks so half assed and flat that it destroys the piece.

Either spend some time on the background or take it out all together.
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I did a lil bit of a rush job at the end but here's some Velma
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>>2708924
>>2708937

severe tangents between the character and the background, namely the rock ridges, really causes confusion as to the actual spacial placement of elements within the piece, causing an overall flattened look and feel

starting from the top:
-top left of head (his right) lines up with rock ridge, the slight overlap is not enough, it still has a severely flattening effect
-grip of the dagger creates tangents with detailing of rock (this one is nitpicky but worth keeping in mind)
-the stalactite/stalagmite are... that's not at all what those look like (the stalactite is also crowding the area around his left hand (our right side)). if these aren't stalactite/stalagmites they create a very boring line compositionally (i mean they're already placed badly but it's even worse if that's not what they are)
-top of cloth on his right (our left) arm lines up with top of rock formation, causes the comp to feel stiffer
-tangent with rock formation and the knuckles/fingers on his right hand (our left), flattening effect
-bottom of left side rock formation and schroedinger's stalgmite are more or less parallel, this flattens the depth in the background severely, on top of being very close to the character's feet, mushes the depth of everything waaaaaaay too much

also the overall/texture/detailing of the upper rock formation doesn't imply any significant perspective at all, making it feel like it faces directly at the viewer instead of being above them. also the rest of your rocks have very boring ratios of/overly crowded amount of segments on top of being a bit too detailed yet too messy at the same time

think of the background in how best to frame your character, to make them pop yet still properly appear to exist within their reality. keep your negative space in mind and avoid overall compositional as well as placement tangents, they do not work with your current and other wise fully realized character rendering skills
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April O'Neil, circa 1987
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>>2709733
vagina looks like it's floating
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Tips on making this hotter/better?
I will be shading her.
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>>2709894
The whole pussy-ass-area needs to be lower.
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>>2705464
google natalie mars, just look at some older traps.
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>>2709894
Have you ever seen a real woman before?
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>>2705464
did you try making the eyes a bit smaller?
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>>2709894
Hi eggs
No dicc pic for you kek
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>>2709897
better?

>>2709904
Do you think the intended audience would mind? I don't think realism stand higher than cartoons, but if the stylization doesn't work, I'm very interested in hearing how I can make it better.

>>2709908
Keep the random at /b/ please.
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>>2709796
better? If not then give me some suggestions
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>>2709775
just fapped to that

thanks anon
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>>2709924
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>>2709933
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>>2709924
you have no idea what you are doing. you are basically pillow shading and don't know how to apply a proper light source. stop rendering turds and do some studies about perspective, anatomy, gesture and LASTLY color and shading.

>>2709926
GTFO dickbrain.
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>>2709939
I think you're overreacting. The shading and color isn't even that bad. Especially since the values read well from a distance
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>>2709942
If you compare it to a drawing a 5 year old would do, then yeah, sure, it's not even that bad.
this thing he drew is nowhere near being an appealing smut illustration. he's simply too bad to be able to draw good smut. period.
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>>2709619
>>2709734
thanks guys, you're right. I don't know the first thing about drawing environmental stuff. I'll try to avoid tangents, keep perspective in mind, and try to learn stuff about composition. Sorry to disappoint.
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>>2706409
Waiting for people to realize this is kyle and then go on a shitflinging spree.
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Here's a quick after-work wind down drawing
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>>2708924

Why shrink it so much compared to the original sketch?
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>>2709994
Yeah this seems more like 1 really elitist opinion rather than a critique....
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>>2710540
I completely agree. I don't intend to give helpful critique to people that don't have a clue how to draw. they should go to the beginner thread and stay there until they reach a good enough level for the porn thread.
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>>2710713
that's good then, we don't need blind leading the snipers.
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>>2709924
Not much to comment. Left knee is obviously wrong and you polished it into a turd.

Also:
- pillow shading
- lack of proper form and construction
- not detailed enough anatomy
- no proper style adaption for painting
- oversaturated colors, oversaturated shadows
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>>2710756
also: Using photoshop brushes like that as bg is fucking cancer. Fucking wankers. Learn to be sublime.
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>>2710732
nah, I'm a seasoned smut artist, there's nothing blind about me. sorry for disappointing the shitposter inside you.
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>>2710183
cutie
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>>2710183
colors oversaturated?
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>>2710861
Not the artist, but I don't agree, they could be more saturated fir all I care
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polishing is a pain in the ass. I always lose motivation after getting the general idea on paper
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>>2710888
>Muh dick
Dick is noto feminine though
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>>2708625
How do I make lines this clean and consistent?
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>>2710896
Unlimited Ctrl+Z Works

Additionally Lazy Nezumi can help
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>>2704561
The arms to legs ratio is fucked up
Try drawing thicker/wider upper body and longer arms
Also by fixing upper body, relocate the head a bit lower

otherwise its breddy good
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>>2708265
and you're saying that like it is a bad thing?
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>>2710888
if you think that's polishing and refining then I have bad news for you.

>>2710896
with practice. don't listen to this: >>2710912

>>2710961
gtfo dickbrain.
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>>2711008
No, definitely not. That's why I was saying I lose motivation after getting the idea across. The only polished element of the picture is the boobs
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>>2710888
the whole point of sketching small is so that you don't waste time putting too many details into the thumbnail so if you're jus gonna draw straight ahead like this make your canvas bigger and start larger so that that your sketch will look crisper. at that point all you'd really need to do is clean up the color/shading and the cloth wrinkles and you'd be good to go
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>>2708006
that stomach looks terrifying
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>>2704561
I don't see any problems
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I can't into hands and I feel like something is still off. Suggestions?
She's supposed to be muscular/thick.
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>>2711234
oh, the drawing isn't small, thats just the resolution of my drawing program when I take a screenshot.
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Is anyone familiar with DeviantArt and their rules about nudity or lewd art? I didn't want to have to join DA but HentaiFoundry is taking for fucking ever to approve submissions. I've had one in queue for 11 days now. So what i wanna know is whats the limit on amout of lewdness you can post on DA...i know they allow nudity but what about sexual acts as long as there isn't any visible penetration or essentially soft core porn?
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>>2711683
Did you fuck up on the size of the image, or the dimensions? There shouldn't be a queue.
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>>2711683
As long as it's not hardcore porn or showing lactation of dicks/tits/pussy, than you'll be ok, at least since the last time I was there, I've stopped being active there for like 2 months now due to other obligations to attend to.
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>>2711689
No my size is within their retarded size restrictions...i'm not the only one who's having to wait this long either. I swear they're only approving maybe 1 an hour and it's not as if they're having trouble deciding which ones to approve or reject since i've seen hundreds of recently posted pics that are really bad....like pillow shaded as fuck, aliased pics with jagged edges, and "sketches" that are scans of washed out pencil drawings...essentially all the shit HA was supposedly rejecting is now coming through in waves.
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DeviantArts rules state the following...

"When we discuss mature content we are specifically referring to deviations which contain images, subject matter, or other themes which some viewers may find offensive, distasteful, or otherwise undesirable to view or to read. The most common 'undesired' viewing material may include, but is not limited to, images containing artistic nudity (see details below), large amounts of simulated blood and gore, or generally violent themes.

DeviantART strictly prohibits the submission of materials classified as pornographic or obscene. There is no exception to this prohibition.

Certain content may be deemed obscene by the administration and as such the staff reserves the right to remove such content immediately upon discovery. The administration reserves the sole right to review and classify questionable material as obscene or not obscene."


So essentially what i'm getting from this is. It's NOT ok to post things that are pornographic but it's sorta ok to post nudes and that it's up to the DA staff to arbitrarily decide weather the nudes are obscene or not. If some SJW decides to report my nudes will my stuff just be insta removed or what? What about linking to my other pages that have "obscene" material like my tumblr or HF?
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>>2707934
why is no one commenting on your stuff?
My only gripe is theres almost no tit size variation. Mix it up
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>>2711683
They allow visible genitals, but they must "not show arousal". Also, any genital fluids isn't allowed or penetration, even when the naughty bits are out of view. Long story short, DA is pretty useless if you draw porn.
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>>2711719
It's because 90% of users dont have to deal with the queue, it just autoposts. Did you just make the account or something?
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>>2711736
Yeah, deviantart's retarded, fuck it.
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>>2712045
if somebody here is retarded, or better said stupid and uneducated, that's you. they are simply adhering to the general wishes of advertisers that don't want to have their products show besides porn.
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>>2711736
http://fralea.deviantart.com/art/Temura-the-Amani-636885919
youre fine if you mark it as mature
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>>2710888
Nice work though
I really want to see a polished work of yours, so far I've seen only sketches and rough stuff. Please finish this

>>2710891
Shut up homo, big veiny dicks are superior to ugly smooth veinless dicks
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>>2712129
wow everything int that gallery is unappealing as fuck
it's like they intentionally make everything ugly or something
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Is my shit fappable, /ic/ ?
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>>2712245
Maybe this will be a helpful answer.
>>2709808
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>>2712245
nope. at least for people with taste I guess. I'm sure some dickbrains could probably fap to it.
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>>2712265
if there was a safe for work loli draw thread, would that be allowed?
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Tips on how to use poses more efficiently in porn?

Thoughts on which one do you think has the most potential as well as critique would be very welcome!
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>>2712380
use the left angle to show the moment before penetration, use the right angle to show reaction to penetration

use references to help you understand how body parts often overlap in these pose/angles

another option is to pick a view pane, usually a perfect side view/view from directly overhead (think like a 3d modeling program) and do a quick rough sketch of how the body would be positioned from there. then place the "camera" which you can draw straight lines from to see how they intersect with the forms aka where shit will overlap

apologies if this is hard to understand, i do both 2d and 3d so my mind is constantly cribbing processes and techniques from one to help make the other easier for me to think of in my mind
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sketch, are the lips too exaggerated?
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>>2712412
perhaps the pupils being the exact same shape as the lips is not working

But as for the lips, the curve of the bottom lip as youre trying to draw it slightly opened, should be much slighter. the upper lip is what curves up more.

I could be wrong, of course. I'm nobody.
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>>2712412
A half-lidded expression would suit her pose better imo
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>>2712518
Those arms look weird. I think they'd look better crossed behind her back
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>>2711268

Updated. She feels stiff and I don't know how to fix it.
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>>2712080
Can't believe I'm getting these retarded responses on 4chan of all places.
>mark as NSFW
>advertisers that dislike NSFW material don't have to be next to submissions marked as such
Even Tumblr is more intelligent about their NSFW content than Deviantart.
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>>2712518
No style, No grace
[spoiler]If you didn't get that reference, it means she has long as fuck arms. Arms length is 2 heads length minus the hands. That thing is like 4. Also, arms dont bend that way.[/spoiler]
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Something from last year. Really not a fan of the colors I used here. Any advice on how to make good color palettes?
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>>2712600

imo it's less about the colors and I think more about the shades/contrast.

Like, her hair color feels close to her skin color for me, and how light some of the tentacles are in big swatches blends with her skin tone and the center bit of the background that's light

I hope that makes sense
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>>2712606
I think I get it. I was trying a pretty different shading style than I usually do, I think I just kinda floundered with a bit. I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the feedback.
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>>2712600
Maybe it's the contrast and kind of >>2712606
Usually, those edges would't stick out so much in a simple picture but in a complex one that uses it a lot it ends up with kind of a shinny sharp look.

Also the way the color contrast is all over the place.
You are using vivid colors with a varied pallet where there is an extreme shift between tones (in the hair only I see 2 colors from the tentacle, 2 from the contour and its white edge, 3 from the hair and 1 from the background). Try using complementary colors that make the contours stick out a little less, use pastel or some tone that is prominent in the pic rather than all of those, and/or try to blend the tones and shading rather than just using light point, tone point and shadow point.
You don't have to use all of these tips tho, just 1 should change your picture a little to what you want.
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>>2712600
>>2712651
This is what I'm talking about
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>>2712401
No, that's actually great advice, thank you so much!
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>>2712651
>>2712660
Thanks a bunch, this is really useful advice!
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>>2712651
>>2712660

I'd like to add that if you tried de-saturating your shadows more, it may help. Or even try keeping the focus more saturated.
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>>2712956
I don't get whats going on in her vagoo, does she have minipenis?
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>>2713013
I was confused about that too, but I think it's the end part of the tentacle sticking out
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>>2713013
It's part of the tentacle, bending backwards somewhat. It was a stylistic choice, I just don't think I executed it very well.

To be honest, it was mostly just me being lazy and trying to make something vaguely monster like instead of actually trying to make something that structurally would have made sense.
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How exactly does one learn to do porn stuff. Do I just look at videos and pause it then study from there?
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>>2713300
Focus on individual/solo stuff first.
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>>2708924
What is your fucking problem
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>>2708917
u cereal
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I showed my furry art to a friend and he said it didn't look like furry art. He compared me to a white person trying to draw anime. How do I draw furry art if I'm not a furry? I believe some furries out there will like my stuff, but I'm worried I can't get away with taking their furry bux if they can see through my bullshit. Alternatively, if I can't make myself seem like a convincing furry, how can I contract autism?
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>>2712660
yo thanks i'm going to start doing this on my digital art with the squares.
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>>2713686
>he said it didn't look like furry art. He compared me to a white person trying to draw anime.
Did you include too much fundamentals
Also Post it
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>>2708924
Nigga, this shit makes no sense.

From the sketch I assumed it was some nerd who accidentally transformed himself by performing some ritual in his bedroom or something, but the final makes no sense. Why is he in a cave?
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>>2713697
I don't want to be outed as a sham!
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>>2713704
You are anonymous.
If you fear being banned just crop it/censor it and post the rest in /trash/ and redirect
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>>2713707
>>>/trash/5795064
please help me become a furry
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>>2713719
Looks like a trapfag pretending he's a furry desu

Not sure what it is exactly

It's like you took your gay shota porn and masked it with what you imagine furry porn looks like

You're gonna have to immerse yourself in the furry """culture""" I'm afraid
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>>2713722
I don't even like traps, I just draw what's easiest for me. I'm glad I at least seem like one.
I was afraid I'd have to immerse myself in furry culture. I wish there was a guide for shit like this online. I wish I knew what makes an appealing sparkle dog, for example. I might try doing bara stuff, but I don't wanna scare off my small amount of trap-loving followers.
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>>2713719
Well I have no idea what's wrong with it.
Maybe they just aren't used to that kind of rendering.

I would say that the biggest problem may be that the rendering and coloring seems more suited to skin than fur.

Also, make me the favor. Please screen cap this post (with the picture enlarged) and send it to him. I want to say how big of a fag enabler he is for pointing out a picture with solid fundamentals for not resembling the rest of the shit tier art that is so prominent in the furry community.
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>>2713736
I don't want him to know that I seeked out the approval of anonymous people to reassure myself that I can make it as a furry artist (I think he would bully me), but I'm feeling confident with all this feedback. I feel good.
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>>2713736
The sooner you accept that "fundamentals" mean very little in porn, the better.

>b-b-but I think-
Nobody cares, anon. You care about fundamentals because you're an artist, the consumer doesn't give a fuck. That goes double for people who have spent their adolescence jacking off to poorly drawn hentai/furry and began associating the symbols common to the style with sexiness.
If you produce porn for people who can draw their own, you will never have an audience.

Adapt or die.
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>>2713736
This is what I'm talking about
Don't know if I'm explaining myself
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>>2713741
You fool!.
Those with un-trained eye do have lower standards, but their mind is also more appreciative for good well crafted work. Just go to that /thrash/ thread, and see it by your own eyes.
> In aesthetics the uncanny valley is the hypothesis that human replicas that appear almost but not exactly like real human beings elicits feelings of eeriness and revulsion among some observers.
tl;dr: The most elements that resemble the human figure, the most are we likely to react to it.
[spoiler]Yeah I know this is kyle shut up I'm just trying to get my point across[/spoiler]
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>>2713741
>>2713749
Yeah, I'm hoping with more complex looking rendering I can charge more when I plan to sell.
>>2713743
I see what you mean, but I've seen other furry artists do it too. I might just try experimenting with textures for a bit.
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>>2713749
It's called the uncanny VALLEY precisely because it's a sharp drop in the curve the more realistic something is.

It shows that people are more fond of a symbolic representation of a human being than than an imperfect replica.

In the context of porn, people will more easily accept symbol-drawn shit as sexy than more realistic art that is in the "valley", before suddenly regaining appreciation for perfect realism.
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>>2713762
Alright
Cause you are being a stupid faggot you are making me repost from some old thread:
1/2:
k. You don't seem to understand so I'll explain to you.
> In aesthetics the uncanny valley is the hypothesis that human replicas that appear almost but not exactly like real human beings elicits feelings of eeriness and revulsion among some observers.
tl;dr: The most elements that resemble the human figure, the most are we likely to react to it. Not that cartoons and alike don't have its place, bur the artists like pic related handle those elements in the intended way (to arouse the audience) and while you could argue that some people wont nut to it, the mastering of those techniques and elements would allow you to toy around with it even more, thus, being able to recreate closer whatever you wanted to convey.
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>>2713766
2/2
>>Isn't all Kyle drawings looks stiff because of construction? Hell, even Legoman's drawings looks stiff as fuck. It's like 100% "correct" construction hurts your drawing. Compared to this

Are you blind?
> the mastering of those techniques and elements would allow you to toy around with it even more, thus, being able to recreate closer whatever you wanted to convey.
Also, while not anatomically realistic, there is a comprehension of how the body is structured, thus they know what elements to simplify in order to get that effect.

Second, what you are referring as stiff is probably lack of dynamism. Yes, you can have both, and is even more recommended to be as accurate at representing the subject to are drawing since it delivers a stronger punch (action in anime wouldn't be as strong if it was just stick figures moving wouldn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XczKQAAVbaA skip to 3:29 )
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>>2713766
Nigger, you literally have no idea what the uncanny valley is. It's an argument for my claim, not against it.

>>2713768
Who are you quoting? I don't even know who you're arguing with.
Stop saying stupid shit.
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>>2713773
You are just baiting aren't you
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>>2713766
No, that's all wrong. UV is about something being MORE like a human resonating LESS with us.

It's about us being more familiar with, and appreciative of, a toddler's drawing than an almost perfectly constructed and rendered painting that is only slightly, imperceptibly off.

It's about it being easier for humans to relate to a car-assembly robot than an android.
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>>2713778
I know.
I'm saying that the uncanny valley is caused by the resemblance to life.
the more something gets close to resemble what we know, the more likely is to strike a chord

Tell me, which one is hotter?
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>>2713781
>let me cherry-pick from two extremes, maybe someone will be fooled into thinking I have a point
You're also not taking into account that most people who consume drawn porn have consumed it for so long that their brain no longer sees actual porn as arousing, completely shifting where the valley lies for them.

For the average dickbrain that faps to hentai, neither of those images is arousing.
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>>2713786
I can't honestly tell if you are being serious or not

Are you baiting or justifying your art

If the first, good job anon. I'm dumbfounded.
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>>2713781
You're missing the point.

Replace the lolstickfigures with run-of-the-mill animu porn and ask the typical person that gives money to porn artists which appeals to him more, see what he says.
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>>2713788
see
>>2713766
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>>2713790
>that picture
>fundamentals
back to /a/ drawthreads with you
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>>2713793
You are just bumping this thread in the front page aren't you
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>>2713642
>What is your fucking problem
His "problem" is non-existent.
What is YOUR fucking problem?
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>>2713736
>a picture with solid fundamentals
I just kekked my pants. if you find that crap to have solid fundamentals, I have bad news for you.
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>>2713738
that art is pretty much shit, because you have no idea how to paint or render. try line art instead and let's see what you got.

>>2713741
>The sooner you accept that "fundamentals" mean very little in porn, the better.
hahaha. fundamentals are the most important thing in ANY kind of drawing. please stop reassuring yourself that you are gonna make it big without. what, you don't need to make it big, you say? then yeah, keep ignoring fundamentals, scrubbo.
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OK I don't think a lot of these posts are the actual furry dude but I'm just gonna comment

>The sooner you accept that "fundamentals" mean very little in porn, the better.
I gotta say that it does in fact matter buuut you can actually get away with fundamental mistakes if you mange to make it appealing to your audience
Example: The movie clip from Frozen where Elsa's hair just clips through her shoulder, it's obviously wrong but it makes the animation much much smoother
What matters a lot in the porn market is really just marketing your work out there, having contacts and just showing people what you have to show.
>people who have spent their adolescence jacking off to poorly drawn hentai/furry and began associating the symbols common to the style with sexiness.
Now this is true, take smashko (hentaifoundry) for example, his fundamentals aren't what you'd call god-tier but his style is so very "porn"-like that he can rake in a couple of commission bux and a good amount of fans on the site.
>uncanny valley
I'm not even diving into that mess, since I don't even think it was the furry guy who posted it anyway. But for furry artists:
-Avoid drawing human faces on characters
-Furries are animals with human traits, not the other way around
-The anatomy used for a furry character doesn't always use the same basis as the Loomis guideline
-Don't render skin on a furry (unless its somehow furless)
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I can't even draw, lel
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>>2713719
Dude this ain't my fetish but that looks solid, very nice
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Furry fag here
I wasn't a part of that uncanny valley thing just fyi
It appears my account has been suspended for three days for posting minors so I guess I better find a new angle
and I know my furry art isn't good, I don't wanna spend much time or effort on it because it makes me hate myself, Hoping I can get away with turd polishing.
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>You shouldn't draw anatomically correctly, let it be shit.
>You think that a well drawn picture is appealing but it really isn't
Are you guys for fucking real
Have you lost your fucking mind
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>>2713781
Eh, who's the artist on the right?
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>>2713942
The uncanny valley guy here:
What I'm saying isn't that it has to resemble a person but the more realistic something gets the more we can relate to it.
And even with those things that you posted
>Avoid drawing human faces on characters, Furries are animals with human traits, not the other way around, etc.
You have to understand to some point the animal anatomy and how fur works (I mean you actually can, but it will look mediocre compared to someone who does). And yes, you can even make porn knowing these fundamentals.
>captcha: street master your talents
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>>2714042
ferafelina
his/her/its page and twitter accounts are set to private for some reason.
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>>2714053
I'm pretty certain that's drawn by Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri, an Italian cartoonist.
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>>2714064
oh yeah, my bad.
Apparently that one is just a blog.
pinterest.com/richardbachman/serpieri/
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>>2713781
>>2714053
>>2714071
Dayum, this guy stuff is really good.
I declare him king of porn thread
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>>2714087
Dude, you have a serious problem of lack of dynamism on the shot (or whatever is called in drawing) and body.
It's uninteresting to look at.
Also the faces look kind of dumb. Im unsure what they are trying to convey, is sameface, and kind of large.
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>>2713646
>u cereal
why, what's up?
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>>2714076
I mean, obvisouly it's amazing artwork... but something about it is too real. I feel like if you're going to basically draw real life people having sex in that amount of detail with minimal exaggeration you might as well just look at porn.
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>>2714318
I know a LOT of people, even in this thread, that would disagree with you anon but thank you, that's basically my views entirely when it comes to stuff like this, porn or not. It's nice to draw "photorealistically" but to me, this was only something needed to strive for back in the Renaissance era, when cameras and smartphones didn't exist. Hell even for the Greeks, sculptures have to be the mold to make "real life" imagery of real people, but now, for drawings sake, what's really the point of drawing real life for anything more than study? If you want to draw this girl drinking a soda, just take a picture of her. You'd get the same image at a higher, more precise detail than even someone as good as >>2714071, so why bother? I'd rather take from real life and make something that cameras can't do, make it fictional.
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where do you guys get inspiration do draw your porn pics? all of my porn look so stiff
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>>2714367
>this was only something needed to strive for back in the Renaissance era
How do you retards even function? I mean, how utterly fucking retarded do you have to be to think the Renaissance artists or any of the old masters strived for photorealism?
Jesus Christ.
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>>2714384
I mean. Was it not? You trying to tell me it was just a choice to just do realism instead of anything else because it wasn't something to strive for? It's like the reason weebs today even do animu shit, because it's what most of them see as the "pinnacle" of art, hence the whole "muh west vs east" shit that comes up in threads like on /co/ and even /ic/.
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>>2714422
They didn't do realism. Are you literally blind? They did learn to draw and paint from life, but virtually none of the art from that era is even close to photorealistic. It's highly stylized and choreographed, and is full of symbolism. Saying it's photorealistic, is like saying a play by Shakespeare is an accurate depiction of human behaviour. It was created to present an idea, tell a story, dramatize a historical event or evoke a certain emotional state, not to simply recreate reality.
Even in the cases where they get close to photorealism, the works still have an artistic bent and a purpose, something you can't achieve by simply copying reality. There's also a reason that the photographers that try to copy the poses, lighting, colors and styles used by the old masters fail so miserably and end up with pictures that look cheesy or kitschy, and that's because there are some things that just can't be captured in real life, but that works perfectly in art.

>It's like the reason weebs today even do animu shit, because it's what most of them see as the "pinnacle" of art
Yeah, except no one says this. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, or if your binary, pedantic way of reasoning is a result of autism.
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>>2714384
>none of Renaissance artists or any of the old masters strived for photorealism
Except they fucking did?
They did modify their bodies and scenery to their pleasure, like >>2714367 says, but they also had a grasp of anatomy, lighting, etc.

And for the topic of this thread (aka realism vs porn) :

which one looks more appealing?
The thing is while porn is manipulated in a way to arouse you, you still have some kind of reality as a base.
lighting, anatomy, etc, they can be modified to make it more appealing to you but you still need to add the elements that are grounded to be able to tell what are we supposed to relate it to.

Don't know if I'm making my point.
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>>2714451
Are you people simply illiterate? Photorealism means copying reality to the point where you can't tell the difference between it and a photo. Knowing anatomy or how to depict realistic looking humans are not examples of photorealism.
Almost nothing painted by the old masters is indistinguishable from reality. They all have their own styles. Or do you think the Mona Lisa looks like a photograph of a real person, or that people really looked like that in real life? Are you actually incapable of seeing da Vinci's unique style? I mean, you can draw or paint a human figure to look like a realistic person, while still having your own personal style applied to it. What the old masters depicted is something that can't be captured with a camera.

Take pic related. You think you can capture this with a camera? Does this look like a realistic situation to you, or a highly stylized and dramaticized depiction of the events in question, that can only look good in a painting?
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>>2714469
>you can draw or paint a human figure to look like a realistic person, while still having your own personal style applied to it.
That's what I'm sayan.
If you I communicated it any other way, I offer you 1 (You) as a compensation
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>>2714469
>You think you can capture this with a camera?
As the one that seem to have initially started and triggered you, yes. You can set up a scene, with plenty of talented actors, and take a picture of said scene, done. It's not rocket science.

My original point was, why draw what real life can do when you can draw what life CAN'T do. That's my point, my post, my reason. You deflecting that point don't matter, it was just a statement about how I feel regarding the point drawing real life stuff as a general interest outside of use for studies.
>>2714457
Try to add shape to the hips, to give it more femininity. And make sure not to make the torso too thin, unless that's your preference.
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>>2714496
Ok. So the eclipse, the crazy clouds, the impossible lighting, the exaggerated anatomy, the people who don't look like any living humans, the unique, dramatic style. You can depict all of that in a photo?
With an enormous amount of time, effort and money, you might be able to set up a scene that reenacts what you see in the painting, but it's not going to look even remotely similar to the painting.

>My original point was, why draw what real life can do when you can draw what life CAN'T do.
Which is what the old masters did.
Seriously, are you retarded or blind? Do you actually blieve that the painting I posted above looks like a photo? Are you incapable of telling that it's a painting? Do you see nothing in that painting that is different from a photo and that makes it unique?

Seriously, what is wrong with you? I refuse to believe it's possible to be this stupid on purpose. I asked you earlier; are you autistic?
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>>2714496
>dat shitty redline
you must be trolling.
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>>2714537
post your work
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>>2714550
trust me buddy, you don't want to see it, as it will just make you either jelly, depressed or both.
also, you don't have to have amazing art to tell that redline is shit.
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>>2714496
>cancer: the post
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>>2714558
I wanna see it anon. I like amazing art
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>>2714537
>>2714537
>>2714558
>>2714589
I honestly can't see what's really wrong with it. Care to show us how to make it look better?
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>>2714854
I won't show you anything, look at some butts drawn by good artists and you'll see what it means to have good gesture, line weight and perspective knowledge. if you think that redline is good, then I guess you simply have low standards. sorry buddy.
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>>2714930
>can you give me a hand
>help yourself
t-thanks
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>>2714981
Could this work as a finished product, or is it too rough?

1/2
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2/2
I did a preliminary rough sketch on this page. The 1st one was done without.
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wip. still working on the values, what you guys think?
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>>2714981
ms paint to the rescue!
Still pretty shit, but you get the idea. Design your shapes better, pay attention to gravity and make it more 3D. That's it.
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>>2715000
I wish the girl in the focus was less haggardly, but it looks really nice. Especially like the way the guy on the right fits into the pic. Overall nice comp and flow.
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I have a hard time understanding 3d as a drawing. Really wish I knew how to use zbrush.
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>>2715042
Should of mentioned I did this very late last night, that's why the boobs are meh.
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>>2714994
You got more or a blog or smthg ?
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So I want to get into porn, maybe make it an extra income one day. Right now I'm selling some commissions, my art is, I'd say, 4/10. It's not porn stuff obviously, just cartoony/anime illustrations - portraits, t-shirt designs and such, for private people. It's not much, but it's also not my main source of income. Point is - I'm not the worst, people already paid for my art. I'm hoping to do that with porn, for more money.

How do I start? Furaffinity, that I know, I'm planning on drawing pokemon porn, since I like drawing pokemon and animals in general.

Where else can I try uploading my art and creating a community?

[spoiler]
Pls be nice [/spoiler]
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>>2715101
I'm
>>2715042
>>2715051
Tumblr is a good place for posting normal art, but Furaffinity is where I'd post everything fucked up. I'll say furries are easy money, and some are willing to wait a full year after sending you a payment for a commission (just finish the thing, don't take their money and wait.).

Be sure to put down some ground rules for yourself. I didn't do this and just took money from anywhere because poor and no job at the time. Furry porn is alright, but it's awfully depressing when you have to draw big bird with tits, or have a client mad at you because another furry also wanted an inflation animation where their characters were even more inflated than the previous commission. I'm not talking a matter of drawing better inflation art, I'm talking larger than a city getting pissed at someone being as large as the planet. Or the god awful fuckers who want you to draw anatomically correct animal vaginas, a dog knot is one thing, a dog pussy is another.

Just to let you know, I took up furry porn because I wanted to draw anthro characters. Seems like fun exercise to draw a vast array of body shapes and faces. But that soon fades when you're just drawing anime with dog faces attached to them.
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>>2715112
What if I just want to draw porn, but not the furry type? I mean, right now I'm drawing pokemon-related porn, but with a pokegirl - no furry content whatsoever. I guess uploading that to furaffinity doesn't make much sense?

I'll stick to furaffinity with the fucked up anthro content then, thank you!

Also, thank you for replying.
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>>2715117
Oh, then try hentaifoundry, I've had some minor success there.I'd say maybe 1 out of 15 or so people that come to me come from there. They both have forums, but the FA one was shut down for a while after some furry drama. Everyone's trying to peddle for bux. Your best friend is just advertising yourself by drawing on a regular basis. From my experience, quality wins over people on Hentaifroundry, and quantity gets you people on Furaffinity. Drawing cute things also nets you people on FA in my experience. You can also try deviantart, I've gotten more people for commission there than HF. It's actually where I made my start, but as time went on, I got lewder and lewder commissions. And that worked against me there since I couldn't post a majority of it there.
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>>2715101
lmao i'd love to see what you consider 4/10 mate, really
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>>2715173
Uh. Current WIP.
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>>2715185
I have no idea what I'm doing.
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>>2706055
>>2706409
MORE!

>>2704561
less, go away! go find that beginners thread
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>>2714076
>>2714318
>not knowing "Sempia-eri"
>not proclaiming him as the king of porn "Heavy Metal"

you plebs need to leave, you are never EVER going to make it.
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>>2715262
Those tits look fake as fuck. Probably more wrong with the drawing but I'm happy to focus on jusy that.

Look at Nsios tips or something, dude. Tits do not work like some kind of spheres independent of gravity.
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>>2709024
Done
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>>2715366
this guy is pretty much shit. find better learning material, dude.
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>>2715369
Good shit mate. We need more female troll art.
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>>2715370
Better than what I'm seeing here. Plus, to say that hes conceptually wrong is flat out false.
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>>2715505
>Better than what I'm seeing here
not better enough to learn from, sry f.a.m.
and no, he's not conceptually wrong, but his art is still shit tier.
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>want to draw porn but don't know what the fuck to draw
how do you guys do it
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>>2715096
It's BBC-chan you infidel
he has a tumblr
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>>2715755
Nigga how about drawing what you like to start off?
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>>2715791
I know what character I want to draw but I seriously can't decide on a pose/setting/action
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>>2715755
>>2715793
are you fucking 15 or something?
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>>2715803
I wish so I could get some fucking thoughts

I'm 24 and my sex drive is that of a 70 year old so doing this is hard as fuck
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>>2715806
Just start lifting so you get those testosterone gains, increases sex drive
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>>2715369
plastic figures in terms of material and lack of dynamism
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>>2715755
I sually just think of fetishes that are not that common that make me hard as rocks
>lesbian + POV
>lesbian age gap (young + milf)

character with certain outfits, like clothes that have a large ass zipper through their body and is halfway open or tights or a Chinese dress n shit like that

If I remember well, there were threads in /d/ about not widely known fetishes. Search in the archives in porn boards threads of that fashion, that's how I get ideas.

If you have no Idea of what characters to include or make I usually do of underrated stuff I want people to look at.
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>>2716141
thank you immensely

I'll start to write stuff down starting today. I know it seems weird to be lacking ideas in this department but I've always felt more attracted to cute girls instead of sexy girls so this is something I have to put effort in
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>>2716149
https://boards.fireden.net/a/thread/148149107/
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I find it hard to find good porn references. Do you guys recommend some sites or specific google search tags? Or do you simply have a folder where you save them whenever you come across them?

I really like some hentai art but would rather practice on rl references.
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>>2716683
>Or do you simply have a folder where you save them whenever you come across them?
This, also is the most recommended, since you know that you have a copy of what you consider top notch.
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>>2715947
>lack of dynamism
They're doing action poses here, so how the hell else are they going to draw it? It's fine for what it is
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Multiple figure practice sketches. Shit's hard
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>>2715947
It doesn't need to be more dynamic...
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