/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2703144
Who is this cutie

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Sorry if I'm dumping more sexy girl pictures, but this one has some clear form in it. Try breaking it down in boxes!

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What's the best way to make my shading not so horribly shit

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>>2703146

>trying to construct the shapes of the figure
>decide to check how I'm doing
>this off
>I'm probably has the symbol drawing

NOOOOOOO

>>2703230
Read drawabox

>>2703235
Your drawing is fine, you're just overlaying it like a retard. Why would you match up the smallest form, the head? And why did you not even line up the centerline correctly, of course it's going to throw the rest off. Match the rib cage until it is overlayed correctly since it's the largest form and is in the center, then you can see how the other parts might be slightly at incorrect angles, but they're nowhere near as off as your current overlay implies.

>>2703239
But I don't want to join isis

>>2703252
There's no choice.

>>2703144
What happened to the Portraits, why only poses now?

>>2703235
Doesn't help that your construction is completely flat

>>2703254
OP has been retarded for the last 3 /beg/ threads

sperging too hard to make the thread before anyone else, rushes everything

>>2703254
Hardly anyone even does the same ref anymore

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just
tried to find out general muscle locations

>>2703230
by using a pencil and paper instead of starting digital

>>2703296
What's the difference?

>>2703294
None of this is helping, disregarding the horrible proportions (which makes the whole exercise obsolete). Don't fall into the trap of wasting time "memorizing" this and all of their latin names whilst not being able to draw a figure passably, let alone think in 3D.

>>2703301
There's a lot of crutches that are harmful to beginners in digital, most notoriously ctrl+z. In traditional, it's way easier to build your foundations since you've been using a pencil and paper your whole life. The switch to digital will be easier.

>>2703314
I mean, I'm probably never going to do any traditional art since I'm only learning art for vidya ui purposes
So i'm going to be using these crutches anyway

I don't really see a reason to go backwards to then go forwards

>>2703305
obviously the result is abysmal, but i'd imagine it probably helps to know vaguely how some of the muscles branch out rather than literally guessing (since i'm very, very bad), didn't even look at the names, the entire leg area is more than completely fucked however

Guys, if you haven't posted in the last two /beg/s, but you've given critiques in both, it's time to start posting again.

There are way more critiques than actually submissions lately.

>>2703345
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2703345
So are people just scared of posting or have they just gotten better? Because only complex critiques are given to up and rising beginners.

>>2703322
alright good luck

>>2703364
this meme was never funny

>>2703322
>backwards then forwards

Did you even read what he wrote?

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Learning how to construct form. Drew a cup on my desk, and found a sphere photo online. Thoughts?

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>>2703374
I don't understand the need for it

What would it matter what tools I use if the end effect is the exact same

I can just as easily build foundations digitally as I do with traditionally

Except with a pencil and paper it would just take twice as long and waste more materials since I don't have easy layering and ctrl+z

Is there some sort of magic to pencil and paper drawings that make an artist improve twice as fast or something?

>>2703370
Most definitely has to do with being scared. I don't blame them too much, since there are a couple people who come here trash people who are doing well.

>>2703398
keep it up, cup was done well

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>>2703247
>>2703255

I don't even

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>>2703296
>>2703405
Looks like you're too impatient and erratic with your shading. Before learning how to cross-hatch, learn how to block in shades first. Start with a slightly larger brush and paint your shades in rather than hatching them.

Shades are a gradient. Going from dark to light in a gradual way.

Pencils will help you learn that as it is easier to shade with pencil than to go directly into digital brush which does not really blend. With pencil, you can create gradients much easier and better. If you want to learn how to shade with a digital brush, lower your opacity to 50%. Learn to use your color picker often by switching from one shade of grey to another, and start with larger size brush. Don't shade with lines just yet.

It looks like you're doing a lot of symbol drawing. See the highlight on your circle? The real thing is not a white dot with a black outline. It's a shade of white surrounded by varying shades of grey.

Learn how to shade softly first, then cross-hatching will be easier to adopt.

>>2703435
This is good advice, thank you

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i want to paint a girl doing a pose similar to this one, except flat on her back and with me seeing the top of her head.(basically her lying down with bend legs seen from the top) How do i determine how long the legs should be? Im not so good with foreshortening.

I'm having trouble, I haven't drawn anything in like two years because paying for sketchbooks are expensive. I bought an older wacom tablet, but the lag in krita hurts my soul on top of not knowing how to use my tablet or drawing software. Any advice for starting with digital?

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>Reading Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis
>Spend like 5 pages doing Loomis heads
>Don't fucking get it
>Relax and don't draw for 2 days
>Back on the drawing board
>Suddenly everything makes sense

What is this black magic

>>2703415
Start with the gesture. You aren't correctly observing the tilt and twist of her body and it's causing stiffness.

It will be more difficult because the photograph was taken by a fucking retarded novice rotating the camera constantly.

>>2703589
The brain takes time to build cells and form connections. This is why sometimes you don't improve when working hard. The brain isn't as fast as you are.

>>2703451
Find a better reference for what you want. Either that or practice foreshortening.

>>2703451
Learn how to do foreshortening with boxes or cylinders and it'll click after a few hundred practices.

Is it best to learn figure drawing via books like Hampton/loomis/bridgman or is it better to just draw a shit ton of figures from reference until you internalize everything?
How do I improve my figures as fast as possible?/what's the optimal way to study figure drawing?

>>2703675
There is no best since everyone is different. Just try them all until you find which you find is the best for yourself. You seem very focused on
>best
>as fast as possible
>optimal
which shows you're an absolute beginner, so have some patience and just do figures over and over everyday and you'll improve. Make sure to constantly check if they're right so you learn from your mistakes instead of committing them over and over. Mistakes are the way to learn, not the way to stop.

Any advice when it comes to drawing limbs? mine always look like horribly deformed tubes.

>>2703683
Hard to give advice, when we don't know what's wrong. Just keep drawing is all that can be given.

>>2703679
nah I'm not an absolute beginner. Just wanted to get options on what worked best for others. What worked for you?

>>2703691
not him, but going to contribute

i did a combination of pure observation and construction - look at my ref, analyze it, and read through how hampton explains different parts of the body and apply that to the ref. it helps in constructions around the area of the body that aren't directly seen (e.g. the back of the legs from a front-facing angle of a figure)

not sure if it's optimal practice but it worked for me so

>>2703698
cool, thanks for the input.

>>2703712
RESIZE
>>2703144
RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:

All I hear to do to get better is to just keep practicing, but after seeing some progress report pictures online, it seems like some people don't even get that much better after just practicing for more than a year. How can I avoid ending up like these people?

>>2703717
By not thinking in time, but improvements. A lot of the process is like an iceberg, artists actually don't even tell you all the steps of how they made it because it's impossible. Every little improvement, even moving a line 1 cm over is a step, but we don't mention it because it's not something we think about. We only think about the big things. So, just make sure to learn the fundamentals and you can't go wrong. At all. Unless you muh-style.

>>2703712
Mouth is symbol drawn.
Center line of the face is wonky - too much of the left side is visible.
Try defining the underlying construction your mouth and eyes rest on. And make sure it's symmetrical.

Line weight isn't a problem at this point, you have other concerns.

>>2703721
Can you provide some advice for how to fix the mouth

>try to do pseudo-realistic drawing
>looks like a saturday cartoon

>>2703776
how long did you spend on it

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Practicing drawing shapes. I copied this from a photo. Picking my own shades of gray and thinking about the values. It took about 1hr.

What do you guys think for the time it took? I feel like it took too long. Maybe I should try to do these quicker. Any tips?

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I don't get gouache or painting for that matter. My brush is too small and my palette is out of control. I have no idea what I'm doing when I'm mixing or laying down strokes.

Just end my shit desu

>>2703943
Yeah, the perspective is definitely wonky. I'll fix that. And yeah the sphere is not great. Do you think it's worth learning to perfect the sphere freehand? Or should I just use like a circle tool.

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>>2703953
The reference. The lump on my wrist is a bible bump.

>>2703712
From the thumbnail it looks like Feels guy

>>2703955
It's worth.

>>2703966
Yeah I have no idea. Gouache is supposed to turn out bold and yet mine looks like utter crap. And you're right, I wasn't aware I was supposed to use it with water most of the time.

So I've realized a few bad habits I have when drawing.

I sometimes start drawing crooked and my forms get misplaced.

Also sometimes I progressively shrink my drawing until its like 20% smaller then my construction was because I realize things are out of proportion.

Any ideas for exercises to try and fix this, it only happens when I draw from imagination.

>>2703984
Just sounds like your grasp of perspective sucks, anon. The only way to get rid of it is to draw more. Also because you lack hand-eye coordination too. Typical beginner thing. Doesn't go away for a year or so.

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Am I doing these right

>>2703992
Depends on what you're going for really. There is no "right" in a sense.

>I want to learn to draw.
Where do I begin?

>>2704000
nice bait. short, sweet, to the point

i estimate three replies

6/10

>>2704003
Why won't you help me, anon? :(

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>>2704000

>>2704006
what's the use trying to help a retard who doesn't know how to lurk

you took up a post reply for this thread, you should feel bad

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>>2704012
>you should feel bad
I don't.

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>>2703958
>Feels guy
Hang yourself

>>2704000
What a fucking braindead cunt. Jesus fucking Christ, what an immense amount of retard. Fucking hell.

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>>2704016

>>2704000
really brought the thread to life

>>2703969
gotcha. thanks!

>>2704031
You should draw things from life too, you see so much more with two eyes then is in a photograph.

Photo studies are best for rendering practice but fail in everything else compared to life drawing

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how are these

>>2704043
How is everything so straight and smooth? You been drawing long?

>>2704000
dude! omg read the sticky -_-

>>2704045
ehh a year seriously, and 5 on and off

>>2703997
>/ic/
How can you say that with a straight face?

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>>2704036
I think that's a good idea.

I'm trying to draw this head. I'm sure you're familiar with the reference photo. Anyway, I don't really feel like I'm learning anything from it. I'm just copying values from the picture. I guess I'm seeing more of the planes of the face, but It's probably better to see that in still life.

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>>2703712
>>2703722
Let me just preface this by saying I'm not too good myself so this may be way off. Anyways I think you need to work on perspective. Remember that the mouth is also a 3d object that follows the rules of perspective, just study the shape and try to construct it like you would anything else. The eyes were also messed up. Kinda uneven and one is more sunken in than the other. Just try to keep perspective in mind.

>>2704169
post work or what you're having trouble with

>>2703144
I want to draw my shit, but dont want to spend years drawing boxes and cones in perspective what do?

>>2704193
No one said you have to draw boxes and cones in perspective. You can draw whatever you want. Just have fun. Some people just do it because it helps them. Others draw from life and enjoy that.

>>2704183
post something and I promise I'll try to give you something substantial that you can focus on. I honestly do think that anyone can improve at art. You said you're having trouble grasping 3d so I assume you've tried perspective. Do you have any boxes or anything you could post that shows how you tackle 3d form drawing?

>>2704169
If you're cognitively underdeveloped, maybe. Drawing is a learned skill. It can be taught. It is not something you are born with being able to do. A beginner is very limited by everything. All the fundamentals and even their own self. That's why you may feel like you're learning nothing. Of course you won't know what you're learning if you don't have much knowledge.

>>2704206
Basic perspective is one of the first things you learn. Like drawing floating cubes and shit.

>>2704208
If you want to do it as a hobby, I would say you have to really enjoy it. If it's so easy to get distracted then maybe drawing isn't for you. There's nothing wrong with that, but I used to be all /v/ too until I got serious about drawing.

>>2704226
you're >>2704169 this guy?

>>2704226
This has so much potential. I'm excited to hear from the other anon what his brilliant plan for you is. If you can grow, you could amazing things.

>>2704226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

>>2704226
>>2704235
Well you're no where near as bad as I thought you'd be. You can definitely learn. But yeah, part of it seems like it's a little sloppy cause you might've rushed it but there's a ton of construction issues in there. I think you should try drawing a shit load of boxes in 2 or 3 point perspective free hand and then go over them with a ruler to see if they're correct. After you get a handle on basic perspective you should move on to constructing heads and you can use any method you like, whether it's Loomis Vilppu or Proko. Also try to incorporate some life drawing so you can get a feel for how things work irl and then you'll be able to stylize better. Something I learned about constructing stuff is that having a handle on freehand perspective is extremely important, my drawings have improved tremendously on all fronts just by learning basic perspective, I thought I knew it but I really didn't. So I can't stress enough how important it is.

But I mean aside from that it looks like you definitely have the capacity to learn and that sketch doesn't even seem like it's your best work. Are you drawing enough? Putting in the hours is also super important in terms of just getting your hand to do what ever it wants. I couldn't draw digitally for almost a year until I started putting in the time. But again, just try all the basic resources that everyone recommends like drawabox, sticky, etc. Odds are that you might be moving ahead too quickly, when I started out I'd go through like a book a week and not retain anything cause I wasn't drawing enough. Take your time with the absolute basics even if you feel like you know them already and the results will show when you move on to more complex stuff.

A study plan for you could look something like
1. Keys to Drawing (do each exercise multiple times)
2. Vandruff Perspective course (grind the fuck out of basic 3d shapes like cubes spheres pyramids etc)
3. Drawabox/peter han thingy
4.then figure drawing via whoever

>>2704242
is that Feng Zhu's student? I swear they have the same handwriting.

>>2704252
Everyone in a design career is taught to write in all caps so that it's consistent and readable by anyone.

>>2704015
I had a dream about a rabbit getting hanged the other day; an anonymous woman put it inside of a cupboard, threw a noose over it's head and then pulled the door shut. When it was opened its head was in a plastic bag.

...Would this make a good study from the mind?

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Also what is your opinion on this disgusting character drawing from the mind

so, about gouache, ive noticed that a lot of painters use smaller sheets of water color paper. after practicing a bit with pages that are over 8x11 in ive surmised that the reason for this is that large sheets use a FUCKTON of paint right?

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What is that nose doing up there? Does he sniff through one nostril directly to his brain and the other nostril goes to his eye and makes it dry? That would explain why he looks like Tommy Wiseau

>>2703144

Who is this cutie

>>2704312
qpaszm300

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>>2703931
Cube is too wonky, also you need to work on the edges. This is my attempt from same ref, note the difference.

>>2704312
Sorry, my apologies, I misspelled: qpalzm300; alternatively there's a direct link below

https://twitter.com/qpalzm300

>>2704332
But don't go and look at it because as soon as someone becomes an object of infatuation they become an object of an appetite and we're no longer self-contained and cannot be happy without increasingly ludicrous concitions

>>2704338
Also we infer on the object of appetite's will and they are no longer free, in that we cathercise them as a source to prolong our happiness while making what we really need to do indolent. You can look at these pictures or you can get better at making your own pictures; the time consumed doing one of these activities seems to be less superfluous (drawing) because it does not infer on the object's will, and in fact by producing your own drawings you are inventing your own will through creative application of craft.

Did I make everyone proactive, or did I make everyone Existential and want to leave the site?

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Help, pls tell me what i need to improve my skill

>>2704372
Andrew Loomis

>>2704372
Drop turd polishing.

Thread is dead, and we have killed him/her.

>>2704338
>>2704339
>>2704365
whoa

>>2703953
Proportions look good but work on lighting. Your darks are dark but your lights are also too dark

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Does anyone have any tips for drawing folds from imagination. A struggle so much unless I have a reference.

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what can I do with this to improve it? the reference is a terrible ancient photograph and I don't know what to do. I'm having to basically make up shadows and guess the shapes of certain features.

>>2704572
You need a solid understanding of geometric forms. Drapery follows the shape of whatever is beneath it.

>>2704576
The hair is blending into the hat separate the values. Take a photo of yourself with same lighting and expression if you don't know how to shade it.

>>2704577
Also:
Google - 7 types of folds

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how is my gouache painting of a coffee machine coming? im going to work the shadow some more and any tips for making the background more interesting?

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studying loommis, need corrections.

How do I learn to draw proper boxes and basic forms? Tried Draw a box but it doesn't really explain much so I'm still kinda lost on how perspective works and I kinda wanna master the basic stuff before moving on to drawing other shit.

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>>2703144
accidentally fucked up and made my own really embarrassing thread with this that now I can't delete until I get home because I posted it from my tablet. guess I learned a few things with this one.

>>2704643
go through Aguri's one year of fundamentals guide

>>2704644
You can graduate from /beg/.

>>2704600
looks pretty alright, that shadow is comfusing me though, it doesnt look like its sitting on anything.

>>2704648
great compliment!
maybe I'll learn how to post properly first(smacking my own forehead repeatedly) stupid!stupid!stupid.......

>>2704646
Where can I find it? Searched for it on Google and Youtube and couldn't find shit.

>>2704618
pudry gud! do a whole chart of these looking up down and straight on from the side 3/4 and front both ways till you can do it without thinking about it.

>>2704662
Aguri: https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E06DB73ECC23E4EF!679&ithint=file%2codt&app=Word&authkey=!AD8ifQUs5NTi40Y

>>2704662
Nvm already found it

>>2704618
overall its really good. only thing i notice thats wrong are the eyes arent in proportion. his left eye seems to big and his right seems to small. i think at this angle his right eye should be really close to the line of the eye socket and i think his left eye should be a bit closer to his nose

>>2704682
can you do a correction of it?

thanks anon

>>2704326
This is nice! How did you make it so neat and clean?

>>2704684
no im going to sleep and im on my phone. just do a transformation and change the size of the eyes to make the furthest a bit bigger and the closest a bit smaller.

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help
I don't know how to copy things
is it mainly because I hate doing them or don't put in alot of effort into them

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>>2704692
>>2704684
i did it anyways. i think it looks a bit better. i also had to rotate the furthest and shift it a bit. just overlay them in whatever youre using to see the difference

>>2704693
>I hate doing them
>don't put in alot of effort into them

drop the attitude then.

>>2704687
Good observation of shapes proportion and perspective, too clean edges I use lasso tool
(you may think thats cheating, but if you work digitally u should use your tools. I useing them all the time in my freelancer work.)
Last things is gradiation, if you see it soft on reference than you should try to do this in your piece, just make it softer.

>>2703146
The most inaccurate study on this board owes its correspondence with here; I don't like the style, the accuracy, or the scribbled and far-exaggerated lines throwing a boneless contour over this, but /beg/, am I on the road to some sort of good?

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>>2703146
>>2704716
Here's what I drew

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so I decided to come to this board not knowing what to expect, and after readin the sticky and going straight for the guide, this is the result of the upside-down drawing exercise.

I cant really say im disappointed with the result, since im really not an artist, but im pleased that I did it, and I got a fucking beautiful face out of it

>>>>2704728
Even if you had copied it exactly it would have looked like trash. Now go get some printer paper and read Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, links in the sticky.

>>2704728
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is garbage. Read Keys to Drawing instead.

Trust me, I've read both.

>>2704169
>>2704183
>>2704206
>post work, we'll help
>no, help me
>post work
>no, please help
>post work
>no

Literally fucking throw your art supplies into the fireplace and give up.
>>2704719
Mouth looks symbol drawn but that's because you didn't add much value to the drawing. Other than that... looks great. Would love to see your construction layer(s)

>>2704835

Shizer! You really like it?

>>2704863
I do, will you post construction layers? Not for critiquing I'm just curious

>>2704719
I don't know why but it looks like a completely different person; like you extracted the essence of that women and injected her with the essence of another.

>>2703253
>>2703252
bismillah

>>2704933
That was quite kinky ; you could have just cut off the sentence at "it looks like a completely different person", but you actively chose to go on and talk about injecting essence

>>2704372
one prescription of the sticky

Whenever i attempt values with charcoal (am currently doing some bargue plates to learn value) you can still clearly pick out the charcoal strokes and that makes the lighting seem unnatural, which it really shouldn`t be.

What are the proper techniques to shade with charcoal?

>>2704948
It was not an active choice! I just "omitted" it into my sentence; it is by purely determined coincidence that something like that shall happen

How do you guys work on controlling your impatience? I hate how shitty I am, even though I know I'm supposed to be shitty at first. I'm way too stressed about my inadequacy.

>>2704955
It's just a case of realization. You're going to be shitty for a while. Like, a long while. But you can lower the amount of time that you're shitty by practicing hard and not thinking about it too much.

>>2704955
Listening to music while you draw helps; when doing this you don't feel like you've wasted your time if you've drawn something wrong, because you've listened to some good music. If the image is good: you've listened to some good music and drawn a good picture.

>>2704958
I'd suggest listening to something atmospheric, too, like the Cinematic Orchestra or German krautrock. Also a song like this can be fun to draw to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJfhZAEnWmM

I'm sane

>>2704955
I realized that I'm shitty now, but it doesn't matter because I really just want to keep drawing to get better.

Just accept that you'll be crap for a while and keep working hard to learn.

>>2704950
I usually smear with one of those paper pencils.

>>2704894
I apologize but my construction lines were just dots; I put the dots at the edges of features and used the dots to construct the woman's features by joining them together. I placed the dots by measuring the face with a ruler and then placing them as exact as I could in accordance with the values I got from measuring. I also do not have a construction layer because this piece is in fact traditional; I scanned it in to my computer and upped contrast for clarity.

Hi, I'm new here, I was wondering if /ic/ is only for drawing and painting ? I did video artwork and can't find a board that seems to fit. I'm specially looking for feedback and critique. Can someone help me ?
Cheers!

>>2703683
Show pics and we may be able to point you in the right direction

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How do I get inspired to make something cool? Do you sit down and brainstorm...? I never know what pose to make, so I go by whatever comes up in my mind, in the end my drawing looks like a mess

>>2705093
Inspiration is a meme. It's called projects, anon. We pick a design language like 1930s America and then create something that uses a ton of research from that era.

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Am I the only one who uses carpenter pencils? I like the angular shape of the pencil strokes and adding value is way easier to put in when you angle it correctly.

I'm trying to do the upside down Picasso Stravinsky and I cannot keep anything proportional.

I keep trying to make reference point to keep things in line and it just keeps going to shit.

Should I try harder? Am I missing something? Should I just let it slip how it will and finish anyway?

Shit's fucking with my head man.

>>2705163
You lack fundamentals. Now go learn them from all the books in the sticky.

>>2705163
It's hard, right? It's supposed to be. The exercise is supossed to make you realize how it feels to draw what you see, and not what you think. You can't symbol draw anything because you haven't drawn someone upside down before. Transfer that idea to your studies/observational drawings.

>>2705166
Yeah. I know. I'm starting with Right Side of the Brain.

The opening exercises are really hard. I never realized how little I knew what people looked like until it asked me to draw someone from memory.

>>2705173
I just learned what "symbol drawing" is today and it's mind blowing.

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>work on a piece for 2+ hours
>feeling good about myself
>just gonna compare real quick with my ref
>zoom out and looks
>tfw its so bad I begin laughing then crying
Jesus fucking Christ kill me

>>2705192
Zooming in counts for a lot of proportional issues.

What is it like to have an artist friend like yourself, you get along and talk every day?

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>>2703953
Tried again. Mostly reds with yellows and blues.

>>2705200
How long does this take you? I'm scared to try traditional really.

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How am I doing?

>>2705205
I started around 10 in the morning and worked on and off on it. Felt pretty burned out by the 4th hand but I guess I shouldve expected it as I'm still a newbie.

You should try it, all you need are the supplies and some keen eyes

>>2705205
Its actually so much better for learning.

As someone with adhd I have so much more fun and way more focused drawing with charcoal. Its so hands on and you can build in values really fast.

>>2705214
>still a newbie
>looks good
I guess we both are.

>>2705218
My only gripe with charcoal is how messy it is.

>>2705200
How big is your canvas?

>>2705220
different guy, i find working in charcoal helps practice planning (how you're going to avoid a mess) and using your shoulder/elbow (keeping your hand away from the paper)

>>2705220
Nah it's a trick. You think it looks good but actually I don't know jack and barely know some common sense shit, like where to put lights and darks. You're just letting yourself get intimidated.

Also, charcoal is messy, but it makes you feel manly

>>2705226
Its right in my sketchbook, so its paper. A little bigger than 8.5x11

>>2705210
You are doing good on 3d form, but the mouth should wrap around the face, visualize the skull biting on a tuna can. As it is now, it's totally misplaced and the perspective is wrong.

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Why is this so hard?

>>2705278
You need to work on proportions. Pencil-sight trick.

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hey look progress i'm proud of.

>>2705284
now finish a face

>>2705285
always seem to fuck up, so i'm grinding out loomis/reilly methods before i try and take that leap again.

>twf getting back into art after flirting with it in high school
>filled my first sketchbook over the last 12 days

CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP IM COMING

>>2705293
>filling a sketchbook at all
Wish I knew what I wanted to draw, but I don't so I just study.

>>2705293
Post some of your sketches

>>2705284
The harambe is way off, the bottom lip in the ref is further out then the nose and yours isn't

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Hey guys can I skip this whole muscle part? It's fucking boring I'm about to lose it.

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Working on something really edgy here. I'd like some help!

>>2705310
You're wasting your time anyway.
Just memorize the largest muscle groups and then look in the book for for any additional info when you actually need it for a drawing or illustration.

No one is going to fucking quiz your anatomy

>>2705310
This almost reminds me of my anatomy studies, but of the medical, not artistic kind.

>>2705319
This anon has the right idea. Remember the most superficial and largest groups, they're the ones that will generally show up on traditional drawing and illustration.

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So I just started about two - three days ago, using Keys to Drawing ( and looked at a bit of Drawing on the Right side of the Brain ) and I'm really stuck on chapter 3.
I'm having difficult with proportions, and I really don't understand how to use the pencil sighting technique. When I try it and convert it on paper, I feel like I miss the mark by a lot. Also, I tried not to use any symbol drawings, but looking at the comparisons of what I did, guess I ended up using some symbol drawings, maybe by habit or something...

I just want to make it. ;_;

>>2705319
>>2705325
Thanks guys.

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>>2705335
Fyi, a portrait with soft lighting like that isn't ideal for beginners. You're missing all the subtleties that an image with more value can show such as angles in certain bones. That's why your drawing looks like a mask rather than a face. Try something like pic related.

>>2705365
Thanks! I'll give this one a shot.

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>>2704728
The face reminds me of pic related

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>>2703230
By not drawing like you're having a seizure. Make more refined strokes. Lift your hand between hatches.

does anyone know a good site or app that has good 3D skeleton/muscle model like posemaniac?

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>>2705093
I draw random shapes and Rorschach it into an idea.

>>2705473
design doll if you're into animeshit

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>>2703294
oh wew

Is "style" just acceptable symbol drawing?

>>2705500
ye boi

>>2705503
So essentially, you are just learning about reality so you could more believably subject it with your own?

>>2705505
yee boooi

>sleep like shit
>not really tired, just feel like I can't concentrate on anything and my eyes hurt.
>try to draw.
>hrrrgbrg
wat do?

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This is one of my latest works. How can I improve? I need some directions on coloring, I think.

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How do people set up their tablet for their screen? I have an intuos3 and it's a 4:3 aspect, so I feel like I should map it to a 4:3 aspect on my screen. My main screen, however, is 16:9. So do I just pick part of the screen to map to, or do I do the whole thing and deal with the variation in horizontal vs. vertical drawing? I would think the latter but I'm open to suggestions.

Also, I have two monitors to consider. One is 1440p but is TN, and the other is 1080p but is IPS. Which should I use for drawing on?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post drawing tablet questions.

>>2705537
ay senpai go see a doctor. Poor sleeping habits can indicate vitamin deficiencies (most common are usually vit D and iron). Have you had your eyes tested recently? Maybe you're straining them.

Draw on a comfortable surface in a well lit room. Exercise and/or a cold shower can help wake you up. Make sure you're eating properly, etc. Sounds like a general health issue more than an art one specifically.

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>>2703144
Postep this in the drawthread first but decided to delete it and move it here.
I guess I'd say I'm a beginner since I havnt drawn anything is so long, little over a year maybe.
Belly buttons are really pissing me off, I just can't place them right and it throws the whole thing off.
Excuse the headless part, I tried to start where I had the most difficulty with when I quit, torsos.
Also, my hatching is shit and I'm sorry.

>>2705365
You weren't even replying to me and this tip helped allot.

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I'm trying yo, p old but newest thing I did.

>>2705757
The hand is too little. The tie feels bad centered. Nice coat tho.

>>2705600
I change the aspect of my tablet's active area to match the aspect of my working monitor. Personally I'd work on the bigger display.

also there is a question thread
>>2691341

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drew some ugly faces. pls help

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>>2705955
Delivering a pizza seems like a good idea

>>2704719
>Anonymous 10/05/16(Wed)18:45:56 No.2704728
Am I right to say that there is something wrong with the piece of the face that connects the lips and nose?

>>2705475
This is impressively textured, and the assets coagulate brilliantly into a fictive setting

>>2705757
Place your hand on your face. Notice the size in comparison.

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Ok so I just did the Face/Vase drawing test in "Right Side". I'll post them in order (first face, both faces, redraw). One thing though: The instructions said that I should feel some conflict when trying to draw the second face and I really didn't have that. I did the "go over the first face and tell yourself "this is the forehead, etc" but still didn't have much of an issue. Granted I didn't do great. And I did use a sort of grid line to keep the vertical pacing sorta lined up (which the book mentions).

I'm just wondering if I did it wrong or something.

Anyway here's the pics.

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>>2706099
(2/3) Second face finished the first time.

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>>2706100
(3/3) Redrew parts of the face to try and bring it more symmetrical. Tried to shorten the forehead, fixed the nose. Tried to fix the chine and brow and really just the whole fucking thing.

>>2706099
>>2706100
>>2706104
Drop it and go read key to drawing instead.

>>2706115
Is there a reason for that? You're not the first person so say that, I'm just wondering what the "problem" with Right Side is supposed to be.

>>2706124
How brand new are you to drawing?
I ask this legitimately.

>>2706128
Effectively brand new. I don't regularly draw. I did learn some very basic drafting in ENGE100 before moving on to CAD modeling but other than really bad sketches to keep numbers straight I can't draw.

I do a fair bit of 3d modeling though but no real organic sculpting.

>>2706132
Same anon again: Preemptive "Why are you learning to draw now" answer in case that's coming.

I'm learning to draw now because I don't want to be stuck just making blocky mechanical shapes in 3d modeling. I also generally wanted to draw well. I just didn't go that route in college. But I'm 4 years out and want to shift gears to be able to draw well enough and learn proportions and anatomy so that I can draw and apply that to 3d modeling.

>>2706132
Here's a fast track plan for some of the fundamentals, study them in this order:

-Pencil control
-Basic Forms + Perspective
-Basic shading
-Gesture + Anatomy

You can find just about everything in the sticky in the OP. drawabox.com is good for the freehand line control and basic forms and perspective to get you started.
The lamp/face and dude-in-a-chair exercises are for idiots that need to be shown that they have a brain and provided proof that it might not have completely atrophied yet.

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how do i into value

>>2706143
>The lamp/face and dude-in-a-chair exercises are for idiots that need to be shown that they have a brain and provided proof that it might not have completely atrophied yet.

Ok. I see where you're coming from. Thanks for setting that straight.

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Anyone got some books on the Reilly method?

>>2706178
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=reilly+method+books

Find us some.

>>2706192
I doubt you searched that yourself

All I found was paid books

>>2706199
>can't/won't into piracy
not gonna make it

>>2706199
Download links are in the beg sticky.

Is it bad to bounce between practicing on paper and tablet? I know I gotta start on traditional media but I want to end on tablets. What do you guys think?

>>2706257
No all art is directly linked and its best to practice all different forms.

>>2706262
Alright cool. Should I practice the same exercises on tablet though, or are there more effective ones for digital media?

>>2706266
Well it really depends what you want to do, whatever improves your ability in that.

>>2706266
Personally though I think studying lighting/rendering and shapes you learn more traditional and perspective is better to study digitally.

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I drew this for my Drawing II class and I'm about to scale it up for a larger sketchbook. Can you point out some errors in my anatomy?

>>2706269
>>2706272
Thanks for the help

>>2706274
how often do you do studies?

it's been almost five months and nothing has changed

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>>2706279
its been 2 weeks since I last looked at hampton

>>2706279
If he is anything like the students in my class maybe once a week at most.

Its sad to see so many who wont make it.

>>2706283
Is the pool open?

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Moar scribbles

>>2706293
not bad but the doodle makes her look more older, maybe draw less details on the face? just a tip

>>2706293
Value > Lines

Don't use lines for shadow. Ends up making the person look 60 years older.

>>2706302
Quite an applicable tip; thank you for claiming it here!

>>2703589
Hippocampus

>>2706304
That's very practical advice thank you; do you think I should move on to value now, or should I continue to work on my observation?

>>2706341
So?

I feel like inking just isn't "clicking" with me
Like, I understand the basics (thicker closer to the camera, thinner closer to the foreground, thicker in shaded areas, etc) but when it comes to executing them, I feel like I'm missing something

>>2706345
tried to use Loomins flat diagram. I feel like i'm doing something wrong

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>>2706145

How do you deal with burnout? I spent weeks doing all kinds of studies, now I'm completely bored and I have to force myself to draw.

>>2706460
think of something fun to draw that you like

>>2705581
nice brave frontier.

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I don't normally come to /ic/ and i don't really know what i need to work on
I drew this from memory, any crits would be helpful

>>2706461
thats my problem... I can't think of anything fun to draw.

>>2706517
why'd you start drawing in the first place then? What do you want to create, what inspires you? What do you care about? You need to ask yourself these questions and explore subject matter and themes you genuinely enjoy. At the end of the day, art is supposed to be fun. We do it for no other reason than to delight and entertain others and to express ourselves. If you find yourself completely burnt out and the prospect of drawing seems unbearable, give yourself a break and try and soak inspiration from the outside world. This could be as simple as seeing a good film or taking a walk outside on a nice day.

>>2706517
I'm in the same spot, I'm not burned out yet but all I feel the need to draw is studying anatomy or reference pictures. It's an awful slump.

>>2706521
>why'd you start drawing in the first place then? What do you want to create, what inspires you? What do you care about?
Originally to draw anime. But I grew out of that when I found traditional art through loomis. The studies I was doing on bean, robo bean, loomis, perspective, posing all inspired me greatly. I loved doing them. But now I feel bored of them. I have to force myself to do the exercises. I would do more full drawings but I feel like I'm not good enough. I'm not "worth" it. I try and it comes out shitty so I feel like I should grind more studies, but they've gotten so stale.
>give yourself a break and try and soak inspiration from the outside world. This could be as simple as seeing a good film or taking a walk outside on a nice day.
Thanks, I'm going to try that. I've been stuck inside for weeks.
>>2706524
Yeah. Feels like all I should be doing is studies because why waste time drawing shit when I could be practicing drawing it properly. There are so many things needed to do a full render of, say, a guy fighting a lion.

>>2706534
Studies are just studies. It's when you apply them that they matter at all.

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Hey /beg/, I feel like I hit a dead end/ crashed this into a wall. Any help?

>>2706460
rest a bit, sometimes after a rest you get even better, also go for a walk in the city or in the nature, whatever inspires you, maybe take a sketchbook and some pencils with you, but don't force yrself to draw, draw when you want to do it.

>>2706534
Yes, >>2706536 is right, you'll solidify those studies in your memory when you actually apply them. By doing finished pieces you'll also become more acquainted with the longer project process, and your taste will improve, you'll realize things that are impossible to fathom through constant study. It takes a while to get that balance between personal creative work and study though, so be patient.

>I've been stuck inside for weeks.
Definitely give yourself some time and get out a bit, I've cloistered myself away drawing for months at a time and it led to depression and frustration. Besides, artists are supposed to reflect and create based on the living breathing world around them - its important to interact with that world.

>>2706475
The deltoids are pretty small in comparison.

>>2706427
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

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I download this brush pack: http://jonasdero.deviantart.com/art/FREE-PHOTOSHOP-GIMP-BRUSHES-Explanation-348274576?offset=50#comments

and then made pic related on the first brush use. It seems like it's a little off in someway. I know part of it is just because I'm a beginner, and I rushed this pic a little, but I think something is just a little weird with these brushes. Does anyone else feel that way about the pic? Are these brushes bad?

>>2706363
Looks fine to me.

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Did this one yesterday. Going for a traditional comic look mixed with Gorillaz / JoJo feel with a more cartoony vibe. I think i messed up the shading on the face a bit

>>2706595
His left arm is not right; I think you didn't study elbows in foreshortening.
His right foot isn't really taking the weight of the pose, and you should consider giving it a solid support.

I don't realize where the light is coming from; why are the legs shaded almost completely on the edges?

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>>2706283
one foot in one foot out
>>2705955
I just picked from your pallet but this isnt really a redline, more of a direction.

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>>2705210
keeping height as the constant. Please take note of how characteristically square the top of the head is

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>>2704695

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Practicing cloth folds and longass strokes (I'm prone to chicken scratching). What do you think?

>>2703634
>The brain isn't as fast as you are.

...wait a minute.

>>2703146
I regressed over the year when it comes to figure drawing

I've been drawing more than ever before but it's like I can't process all the new knowledge I have when I try to apply it and it ends up looking worse than my old stuff.

really frustrating senpais

>>2703675
When you practice something, don't let time handle you. It's more important that you find the way of how you are learning best and in your own style, than it is to "be good/master in 20 days" kind of stuff. I surely know that you know that, but time should not be one of the first things on your mind.

>>2706751
cloth should be drooping down between her legs and anywhere where they bridge over a gap as well as the edge of the shape.

>>2706773
Oh yeah, totally missed it.

And the arm of the knelt girl is an abortion altogether.

Does the shirt on the killed girl look ok?

>>2706777
I reckon it should crumple around the waist where her body starts to curve and start to follow the shape of the legs.

Also a slight perspective and form issue with it

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Tfw anon wants to draw lewd but his skills won't let him

>>2706797
On the bright side, if a whale fetish community opens up you'll be pretty popular!

>>2706800
Nowadays there is a fetish comnunity even for fucking trees.

hello, I am new to this board, I just come to ask you something, I think this thread will be good for it.

Nowdays where you post your drawings? Is Deviantart still the place? I heard it went shit and is only for pony and sonic drawing now.

Is there anyother places where normal artist and amatures post their works?

>>2706797
delicious

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>>2706800
Thanks to your criticism I think I was able to draw a body more fine tuned specifically for you.
Are you from Ireland by the way?

Pssst.
Download Drawpile, and connect here.
99.240.195.2:20043

I just saw that guy on DA who's been drawing furries in scuba gear for 8 years. Holy fuck.

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oh god please tell me everything will be fine and this isnt that bad for 5th gouache study and first plein air and only 2 hours in. pls this is so hard

>>2705200
Saved. I really like these anon, they look like you actually had fun making them.

>>2706803
What? Where? I need to see this!

>>2706875
Check out /trash/ and the dendrophilia general.
They recently united with the entomophiles so there's also some sexy bugs there.

>>2706882
Is this fetish a recent development or have these people been around?

>>2706889
I've been a fucker with weird fetishes for quite a while, and I have seen the specific fetish for plants quite a few times before the general popped up on there. Never bothered looking into the community too much, but I'd bet that they're not as new as one might think.
Also, this conversation just reminded me to water my succulent.

>>2706848
Everything will be fine and this isnt bad for 5th gouache study, and first plein air and only 2 hours in. pls this is so hard

>>2706945
do you mean that or are you just saying that because i said and its what i want to hear. thanks

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>>2706960
The leaves on the tree need more blending to achieve the effect of foliage; excuse me for the quality, but try and mimic this "leaf shape" in the branches if possible; it should help replicate the tree-like texture. Apart from that: it looks very great, especially if you are going for a more Fauvian approach.

>>2706973
>Fauvian
that brings up a porn site. im going to push more detail. my problem in working in morning light... while looking towards the sun. so once it rises over that house im scrood. thanks for the comments

I can draw any shape from any goddamn angle, I know how light works on those shapes, I want to draw the human body.
Where do i go from here? Gesture? Construction? Anatomy?

I can draw one eye fine, but when I go to draw the other eye it looks completely different. How do I fix this? It's the reason I never do full frontal portraits, because I can't get both eyes to look the same.

>>2707107
gesture

>>2707219
you mean literally a straight on view of the face? try using measuring lines. for example from top/bottom of the eye going across, from each corner of the eye going across. assuming you arent fucking up,the brows vertical lines to show the width/placement etc

>>2707107
>I can draw any shape from any goddamn angle
Really? Proof?

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I'll never be able to understand the legs

please help me

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>>2706768

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Am I doing this right?
How do I actually learn shit from drawing figures?
>>2699515
>>2702655

>>2703992
Yes, it looks good. I'm not such a fan of that style but you should try to add the body now, see what it looks like.

>>2706293
I feel like the proportions of the face is not sufficient enough. I mean the drawing is good but for me, those teeth are too big.

>>2706475
pectoral/torso looks weird to me. Otherwise I wish I could do that, maybe I will.

>>2706545
Idk, the tecnique seems good but the one on the left appears to have a bigger head than the other one. I'm not sure but the eyes looks further on the skull than for the red eyes. Otherwise from the light, shouldn't the red one have some on his/her collar too ?

And if you really want to pursue this one (looks good enough though) I'll say it miss a background.

>>2708351
By keep practicing and reviewing your artwork.

For the woman by example, even if the position is good it's not totally right, especially the head whom should lean back more and looking from the sides, you also made the hair's going in her back where they were in the front. I don't know if that's on purpose. It looks promising anyway, feel free to show up more of your futures sketches.

>>2704372
this again? dude can you just start by uploading the image right

>>2704693
>i hate doing them
stop then...

File: first try.jpg (489KB, 1000x585px) Image search: [Google]

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I guess this isn't that bad for a first ever profile try?

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I think I need to destroy this and start again

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>>2709955
oops wrong image

point still stands I need to destroy this ASAP