/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2698781
because he's tired of doing hundreds of free critiques every month

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>>2698705
>>2698732
Grind this book with gouache/tempera. You'll learn both how colors work together and how to colormix.

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>>2698846
>>2698843
>>2698841
>>2698840
These are all shit, why are posting this crap.

Here, have something good to study.

>>2698979
>discount Asaro Head

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Some drawings from the the past few days.

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on keys to drawing right now. is it ok if my portraits seem significantly worse than just about everything else i'm drawing from life?

drawing faces is just supposed to be pretty hard without any knowledge of form or construction, right? dodson doesn't seem to really cover any of this, only drawing purely what you see.

portraits seem so much easier with a bit of constructive knowledge or theory like loomis - am i wrong?

>>2699022
Keys teaches very important foundations you need to have. Laying down perfect construction line is nothing if you fill it in with shit features. Keep going through keys

Portraits are difficult and always will be

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>when you have 0 sense of human anatomy,perspective,imagination and drawing skills
Whatever,I'm sure everything is possible through hardwork and dedication

>>2699019
i recognize that selfie photo

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Help me out here - I draw people in such an insulting way that it's like handing out pamphlets for an amusement park made out of dead bodies at a funeral, like waving a digestive biscuit in front of a dog for half an hour before eating it. Help please and I'll be more human. Helphelphelp why am I measuring the eyes too close together? Why does it look so ugly and compressed? why do the lips look like a wiener roast?

>>2699069
You're not paying attention. Before you go into a trance and start drawing without thinking, stop and measure. Do this for every line and you'll get it eventually.

>>2699022
Constructive knowledge will help or hinder, it depends on how you think. Do you like to learn by watching or do you like to learn by reading?

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>>2699112

Thoughs on this video by sycra?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>2699147
It's fucking annoying, and basically retarded too. "Draw a lot, analyse your drawings, draw more." Saved you 55 minutes.

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thoughts?

>>2699257
just look at the eye on the reference and your eye, its to fucking high, looks flat and wrong, you obviously dont think in 3d yet. Try this, draw your gesture drawing first like this, then draw small 3d shapes inside and then finish with the contour lines.

>>2699259
show me

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I made this for the tower girl thread
just in case i dont get any advice there ill post it here

>>2699279
It looks like you don't know how light works. The fix? Life drawing. Don't render until you start getting with the fundies.

>>2699309
i see a t-rex

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Thoughts /ic/? I know that the face is still a mess and the gun should be on the ground.

>>2699124
Can you leave please

..Isn't it technically impossible to not symbol draw while drawing from imagination?

I mean, think about the meaning of symbol drawing for a second here.

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>>2698840
>>2698841

What's the best book/resource/practice for gesture.

>>2699386
How about we don't argue semantics and just draw like a functioning human bean.

but to answer your question for fun, no. symbol drawing is just used to describe the fact that people draw things from reference but imagine the eyes as circles and simple symbols, thus not actually drawing from the reference. when you draw from imagination, you're drawing from your visual library, taken from references that you've drawn before. so its not symbol drawing, even if used in that context.

>>2699336
the gun doesn't have to be on the ground if you dont want it to. the pose is already rendered to keep it there. drop the chain on the gun so that its hanging and boom. its fine.
I suggest that you redo the whole face though. its kind of irredeemable. needs a bit of basic loomis.

>>2699429
Yeah I might be better off just starting all over again on the face. She's supposed to be a bit uncanny valley doe-eyed but I took it too far. And she needs a chin.

I drew the gun horizontal first so I'm aware of the chain, I'll fix it once I get to the rendering.

>>2699041
Ditch the anime. It will only bring you down. I get that you probably only want to be good at drawing to draw your waifus, but you need to learn how to properly construct a real human. All the anime illustrators of Japan learned it, you should learn it too. It doesn't take very long so get to it

>>2699257
It sucks.

Start your drawing by heavily simplified forms to get the major planes. Side of the head, etc. Even a cube will work. Then add two more shapes, one for the "snout" and the other for the jaw. It might help you to draw a sphere in between them to understand their relationship. (Like he's biting on an apple)

Then, add the minor planes. In other words, the smaller plane changes.

I'd show you if your ref wasn't so fucking small.

>>2699399
That isn't gesture, it's contour. Gesture is heavily simplified lines/curves to show the flow of the body. You should not be drawing anatomy like feet, calves, hips, and like I've told a million fucking people, buttcheeks and nipples. Tell me why on earth a gesture drawing needs a fucking buttcrack

>>2699194
I love this pattern; it's so caliginous and brims with sparkling retroactive electricity uniformly divided by the Siberian square insulators

>>2699336
Scopes are mounted parallel to the barrel of the gun.

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>>2699336
Figure is not half bad, although the pose is stiff as fuck and your hand are a bit off. All the baggy clothes try to hide poor construction, i guess.

The head is the biggest offender though.

[spoiler]Stop drawing animeshit.[/spoiler]

>>2699460
Someone should redline your redline

>>2699457
I've never seen guns in my life nor do I know much about them so I guess I fucked that one up. I'll fix it.

>>2699460
I know her face looks awful but her head isn't that big.. that's her hair.

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>>2698838
Struggling with the anatomy a little. Dress looks a little strange as well.

Any thoughts?

>>2699451
Started with a cube, I see what you mean by adding a cylinder for the muzzle and what not. Kinda skipped that.

It doesn't suck, you suck. Since you think you can show me search dinosaur you fucking idiot. All you did was help me realize my own mistakes other than that you're a useless piece of loomie shit.

>>2699589
At least I can draw a dinosaur

Any advice when it comes to drawing arms? Without shading they should still look like arms but mine always look like messed up tubes, especially when attached to the "body".

>>2699589
>It doesn't suck, you suck.
wowie dude. sure showed him.

>>2699482
>I've never seen guns in my life nor do I know much about them
Then why try to draw them yet? Study up a bit on what you want to draw, especially things you don't know much about, to keep jank things like that from happening.

>>2699623
samefagging

>>2699635
if that helps you sleep at night, sure.

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I'm trying to work on a new design and these are some sketches of my idea, anywhere to improve?
1/2

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>>2699666
2/2
Also checked

>>2699666
>>2699667
Are people like this real?

>>2699666
>>2699667
Read the Sticky and some Loomis books, spend at least a few months on them before posting on /ic/ again.

>>2699669
>>2699674
Ok, sorry.

Anyone else feel like DrawABox just... isn't working for you? The first few exercises helped a bit and were simple enough to do, but the later exercises, starting at organic form dissection, really feel geared more toward somebody who's been doodling their whole life, is pretty good for not having any real practice but wants to get to a higher level, rather than for someone who's a total beginner. Anyone else feel like this or do I just not have what it takes?

>>2699715
No worries. I am excited to see the progress you will make.

>>2699463
LOL!!!

>>2699716
You just don't have what it takes because "beginner" is just a comfort zone.

>>2699748
>"beginner" is just a comfort zone.
Wow

That's actually pretty deep

>>2699748
I guess I should skip learning the fundamentals then, since that would be comfort zoning.

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>>2699667
What you got, now?

How long did it take for you to muster the courage to post something here for critique?

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>>2699766
How's this?

>>2699767
alot. lurked for ages, made something i thought was nice, posted on a drawthread (bout a week ago), got told it was terrible without explaining why, never posted anything ever again

>>2699808
Its a step up. i see you're attempting alittle bit of crosshatch shading which is good but you need to remember where the light is coming from. suggest looking at photos of skulls to get a feel for what they look like.

>>2699814
Alright, thanks.

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I've been trying to learn how to use SAI properly, and lately i've been trying to learn how to color and stuff.

this is too hard for me.

>>2699822
Not one, not three, but two noses!

>>2699808
I like it. But You don't have to make it look like mine. I got my style and you have yours. Besides, our skulls look way to oblong to be good. In retrospect I would've squeezed it horizontally quite a bit. Plus, I'm going for a more cartoony look so I exaggerate a lot. You seem to have been going for more realistic proportions.

>>2699810
>drawthread

that is your first mistake

you're at home here

>>2699824

at least it wasn't 3 :^)

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>Nothing ever fucking looks right
>Flat as SHIT
At least I got out of the habit of noodle arms

>>2699747
Your redline was shit desu, sorry

>>2699832
draw in 3d shapes

you're drawing in 2d ones

>>2699825
Well shit dude sorry for copying, is there anyway to blend cartoon with realistic?

>>2699835
Watch the "Take On Me" music video, I guess.

>>2699460
ONE FOOT IN ONE FOOT OUT......REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why does every face I draw always look like anime?

I hope this is the right image size, I'm on my phone.

>>2699835
what a strange question.

>>2699854
thats called rotoscoping and it kind of is a terrible aborted child of 'realism' and 'cartoon' (quotes because all youre doing is tracing over video frames, its not really a blend of anything. just needless bitchwork)

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>>2699869
Erm let's try that again

>>2699874
Fuck I give up

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Total scrub, practicing anatomy and thickness. I feel really proud of the leggings squeezing her thighs, at the very least. After taking a picture, everything seems elongated, though.

>>2699874
lol

>>2699866
What's this REE thing I'm seeing everywhere? Is that like a pig squeel?

>>2699886
probably this fucking thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKPdNvH800

>>2699874
one thing I learned is to try not to draw each indivivdual strand. Try to generalize and clump large groups together.

>>2699887
Lawl, I never was a frog fan, but these ones are pretty cute.

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putting into practice some stuff picked up from dab and ktd.

yea it's pretty bad, but drawing this shit's so fun. why do people skimp on the fundamentals when the fundamentals are so entertaining? i could position boxes in space for hours...

and apparently it'll do your imaginative drawings justice when you start drawing your own shit?

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Sketchin' some shit.

guys i have an idea about drawing in perspective - what do yall think?

so you can just imagine you have an infinite-extending sheet of glass that's parallel to your face - a "plane of vision"

let's say you see three boxes in front of you. one has a plane that's parallel to your plane of vision, so you draw it with one vp. another has only a vertical edge parallel to your vision, so you know it's with 2 vps. the third has nothing parallel, so you know it's 3 vps. and this can be extended to the other forms.

it's like you're looking out of a window, seeing these three boxes, and just tracing their shapes on the glass with a sharpie or something

>>2699766
Nice hat

>>2699831
:^^)

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Practicing doing values with blocking out the major shadows and starting with high/low values

spooky

>>2699915
http://termespheres.com/6-point-perspective/
Six point perspective is stupid, but 5 point is cool.

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>>2699952
Trying to refine the shapes

>>2699380
I'm sorry I thought Caliborn would be a nice addition to the board

>>2699463
It's not a redline. He just traced over it, then copied the trace into some empty space, so you can see how weird it looks. I'm literally clinically retarded and I know that.

>>2700000
Quints chekkt

>>2699981
shit dude that's way cool

5 point is basically fisheye / what kjg does, right?

>>2700000
You must be clinically retarded to not see red lines anon

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Just sketching boxes, trying to feel the perspective

>>2699981
>>2700009
also, i've always felt like something was off about the glass sheet idea. the four-point/five-point thing totally makes sense, but it's also kinda freaky.

>>2700014
use a ruler when you start out, the vertical edges of your boxes in the top left and center should be orthogonal to the eyeline. right now it looks like you're doing some three-point setup with only two points. read up on drawabox, norling, or olson too.

This probably gets asked alot but where, and how, do i learn the fundamentals?

>>2699876
Your poses are waaaay too stiff dawg and your proportions are out of wack because everything from the pelvis down is too big,

Practice gesture first, then perspective, THEN move onto anatomy, trying to create unique character designs with clothes, hairstyles etc is way too much stuff when you haven't learnt the fundamentals, continue doing what you're doing and you wont improve, you'll just learn to polish shit

>>2700018
i think you just draw boxes and circles in perspective for long time

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Tonight's drawing and attempted color.

>>2700025
perspective on the leg she is lifting is off

>>2700027
Should it be less visible?

>>2700025
that leg made me kek
anyways, just another stepping stone on the path of greatness brother

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>>2700029

>>2699996
Are you sure you're a beginner, anon? And the values on the bottom lip make it look flat.

Currently, im at a huge mental block and cant seem to think of anything without heavy references. it sucks quite alot and is starting to impair my creativity. does anyone know of a way to overcome this?

>>2700015
drawabox seems to have good box drawing exersizes gonna try those, ty

>>2700043
Do a bunch of 30 sec gesture drawings http://www.quickposes.com/

>>2700029
Even if it's foreshortened completely the calf isn't so long as to make the foot as small as you have.

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dumping cause im bored

1/2 landscape took about an hour so far

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>>2700089

2/2

a few hours in and still have a long way too go. i chose this cause theres some perspectivey stuff there and i need practice implying textures like the brick

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>>2700091
creature i started a long time ago but forgot about

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>>2700092
almost finished with these until i decide how to make a couple of them a bit more interesting

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>>2700093
and the big finale (if you catch the ref). i would actually like some criticism on this one though

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i like colors

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>>2700124
Also, I like to draw heads way too big! I keep trying to fix it but it's always a hot mess. Help??

>>2700132
Figure out the optimum neck width to head height ratio. And also the right proportions for the eyebrows. And the eyes. Yeah you might just wanna measure everything.

I like what you're doing with the colours though.

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>>2700161
Thank you!! I used to try to measure things back in middle school and my art teacher was a huge dickwad and was like, "Don't measure! Just observe!" and it made me hesitant to try again even though it's years later and I'm not a fucking retard anymore. I'll give it a go in a bit and post the results, though.

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This is a real dude who rides around my neighborhood. Swords and all.

>>2700178
Haha, I forgot to draw the seat, and support under him, oh well, I'll just add that later.

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what does ic think?

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>>2700124
If only you'd liked construction and proportion the same way.

>>2700189
I'll start a new piece with a reference. Thank you for pointing out the wonkyness.

>>2700186
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2700195
please stop shitposting

>>2700199
Just getting all likely responses out of the way.

>>2700195
>>2700211
yup, pretty much sums up everything that needs to be said, NEXT!

>>2700223
>supporting meme responses even if it doesn't apply
Typical shitposter

>>2700124
>>2700132
finally some charming shit with potential in the beginner thread

>>2700231
Explain how it doesn't apply, smartass.

>>2700231
thank you for the (You) :)

>>2700236
Why don't you learn how to read underage funposter
Oh wait...

>>2700240
>no explanation

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>>2700235
Thank you so much!!

>>2700161
>>2700189
I did two little practices, though the full body looks really flat to me. I need to figure out how to get that 3D sort of feel. I measured out the head for the Twiggy portrait and it doesn't look terrible but something still feels off.

Should i turn off opacity jitter in photoshop or stick with it? it's kinda distracting me as i have to always keep an eye on how hard i press my pen so that the color doesn't come out dull. What settings do you guys use?

>>2699194
I hate this pattern; it's so repulsive and brims with super shitty electricity uniformly divided by the crappy square fucks

>>2700244
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2700257
thanks for contributing to this shitty meme

>>2700257
>very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth
should be the edition of the next /beg/ thread t b h

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how the fuck do you "study" painting?

Just copy an image the best you can without color picking?

Block in light and or vague shapes and then refine, refine refine until it looks right?
is there more to it than that? someone please explain

>>2700271
read the sticky stop symbol drawing read loomis and so on and so forth

I, for one, welcome our new memelords.

>>2700271
that is a mode of study, but study isnt limited to that. For example, if you like the values in the painting, you can do a greyscale painting, not having to worry about colour - if you like the way those girls are drawn, you can draw them. The point is to think about how/why the artist has done things a certain way to achieve a certain effect

>>2700271

You can study all sorts of shit in a painting.

If you see someone's painting of a knight and you go "wow I like the way he did the chainmail" you can study the chainmail. If you like the colors you can study the colors. You can examine how it's composed. You can examine how they did their brush strokes. You can study what things they detailed and what things they left obscure. You can copy it and try to reproduce it perfectly as an exercise in observation and rendering.

Original poster of >>2700195 here

Apparently some people don't understand why I posted what I posted and are a bit buttflustered as a result.
I posted that response to >>2700186 because their drawing exhibits all the qualities you often see of beginner artists that haven't given the slightest effort into learning proper constructive drawing techniques (the kind of stuff you would learn from reading the sticky and Loomis)
This should be clear from the very flat appearance of the drawing (ergo me adding "symbol drawing" as a criticism)
I made the post because I'm very sick of people that forego reading the sticky or reading Loomis (or learning from other accredited drawing instructors) and decide to post their drawings asking for criticism without putting in any real effort in the first place.

This comment does not apply to >>2700244 because despite their flawed drawing, it's very clear that they have read the sticky (or are learning from some proper source), are trying to improve and are generally on the right path. (also obvious if you read their comment stating that they are trying to figure out how to get that 3D feel)
That person is trying. Good for them.

The previous person is not. As such they need to read the sticky, read Loomis, stop symbol drawing and stop shitting up the board with extremely half-assed attempts at art expecting some kind of reasonable critique.

Nothing more needs to be said.

>>2700257
>>2700272
Please stop memeing you dumbass.

>>2700284
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2700096
>>2700093
>>2700092
do ineed to read tthe sticky

>>2700286
You need to learn the basics. If you don't know why these retards keep telling you you're symbol drawing; look at the premature ejaculator, see how he has 8 squares on his stomach? Abs don't look like that, those squares are just symbols. Now go fucking study that and perspective.

>>2700306
lol im not the guy they were talking to about symbol drawing thats the guy below me. but that one isnt finished yet, i was just placing values for when i push detail. how about the maskes and creature and are the figures correct?

>>2700284
lol

Should I keep doing paper and pencil or should I move to a tablet?

>>2700348
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

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>>2700348
Why not both? I find paper and pencil easier tohandle, and if you want to avoid a sterile digital look you may want to learn the medium first.

>>2700352
AAAAAAAAA

>>2700284
you god damn idiot

>>2700348
Traditional is good 'cause it doesn't distract you with all the digital bullshit so you can grind the fundies easily. Look at Vilppu, he's rockin' both because he built up a solid foundation that transfers easily across media.

>>2699996
It's John Travolta

>>2700274
>>2700278
I was just wanting to know if i'm on the right track, some say copying what you see is how one should study, others say its not. im really confused as to what is considered "studying"

For value, let's just say when doing value study, do you block in the darkest shadows first?

Right now my method is map out shadows w sharp and soft edges, fill in form shadows with reflected light, then go from core shadow to the reflected light I set up earlier. Same with cast shadow, from occlusion to the tones of the lost edges if there are any. Is this a bad way of doing it?

Also, more of a theoretical question: when drawing from life, am I supposed to think of the light/shadow pattern for every value I see, or only when it gets tricky? I find planning out everything/determining what's what kind of shadow really tiring especially in more complex lighting situations.

Should i turn off opacity jitter in photoshop or stick with it? it's kinda distracting me as i have to always keep an eye on how hard i press my pen so that the color doesn't come out dull. What settings do you guys use?

>>2700012
It's red lines in the literal sense, but generally a redline is showing a more correct way to draw something. That's not what he did. He just outlined what was already there, save for the gun which he did correct.

>>2700042
I'm definitely a beginner, there are several horrible pieces of "art" before this one

And yes the lip sucks because I suck

>>2699998
I thought it was funny anon

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Fuck I've been procrastinating getting started again for way too long, probably because Im scared of not making it.
Today i was about to head to bed, saying to myself ill start tomorrow. but NO I NEED TO START NOW OR I'LL NEVER KNOW IF I CAN SUCCEED.
So i decided to draw the cover instead of having to read and do the first exercise, because that ought to be faster, but this shit took me 3 hours, and i know it looks like shit. But somehow i feel super proud anyways.

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Can someone point me to the direction of drawing robots, machinery and mechs?

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>>2700603
>So i decided to draw the cover instead of having to read and do the first exercise

>>2700626
Thought it would take less time, so i could hit the bed early but still start drawing today.

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>>2699564
I think I'm heading in the right direction, but something is seriously fucked with her leg.

>>2700633
>very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2700665
Nice generic response to every post

>>2699674
>>2700272
>>2700195
>>2700665

Why beginner threads are getting worse...

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>tfw in the flow.

>>2700633
Your foreshortening is fucked up, on both legs. You should study each limb separately ( and the whole anatomy of the human body ). I do believe that you're just wasting time, if you're trying to progress seriously.

Just get over this drawing and start another one.

>>2700736
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2700744
Nice generic response to every post

>>2700436
keep pretending like you're someone else, it's still not working. unless your goal is cringe

>>2700736
no offense but I never understand why beginners do this

not sure what this is practicing or accomplishing

>>2700750
?? gestures?

>>2700683
>>2700746
Nice generic response to every post

>>2700750
I started it because I wanted to draw breasts better, then but then I realized I drew the first one way fast, and that got me pumped up to do more way fast.
Something between figure study and gesture drawing?
It is only 30 minutes so it's not like I'm wasting my time.

>>2700744
Literally how?

>>2700757
Oh, you are just shitposting.

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>>2700750
What bullshit are you speaking?

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>>2700741
Oh... I wasn't actually thinking of foreshortening or distance with the legs at all. I know I screwed up the midsection of the body on the right but figured it wouldn't matter too much if it was covered.

I have different references I'm using for the legs. I'm looking at deer, goat, and horses along with other anthro lookin ones on actual satyr drawings and trying to imagine them rotated and stretched out.

I'll try not to spend too long on it, but I think it's good to know how fucked my art is before moving on so I can fix things in the future. Thanks kind anon.

>>2700771
Yeah, I understand, but I'm afraid you're just going to trap yourself.
But if you really want to push this exercise further, you should do a full study of those satyr legs. You would probably learn more than hiding some wonky anatomy under a piece of clothes.
It depends on what you're aiming for I guess, however.

You're welcome senpai, I wish you good luck.

>>2700786
wtf I wrote "senpai", not senpai

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>>2700790
>4chan beginner in a beginner thread on /ic/
It's like poetry

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>>2698838
I can never finish anything and it makes me want to cry like a bitch, I quit art school and took a shitty dead end job because of it.

>>2700790
What's wrong famalamadingdong?

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>>2700822

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How do you draw with shadows and not lines?

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>>2700805>>2700813
Yeah, didn't know that some boards had "filtered" words. Feelsbadman

>>2700849
Draw your shadows with lighter lines. Fill em in after with the appropriate tone to create implied lines.

>>2700754
>>2700759
>>2700762
Relax, I was only asking a question

>>2700924
>>2700750
beginner question

>>2700625
>>1579290

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>>2699996
More progress. This might be my stopping point since I don't know how to do hair properly yet and I made this guy up

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Tried to do lips purely from imagination, while the nose is from a tutorial.

Got any tips on filling out the feeling of depth.

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how's this?

>>2701094
Darker
Everything

>>2700981
what are you reading to learn to shade/draw like this? i'm still trying to figure out a process for approaching value.

i always try doing a lay-in first, but when the shadows get complicated or the features aren't totally clear i get lost.

>>2701095
you already outlined the problem with it within the image

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Ctrl+paint's blending exercise. How do I not make my blending not look like that one anon's tribal woman standing on a wall

>>2701146
First I learned loomis, then I watched proko's videos on facial features. I hid the layers where I started with loomis, then geometric shapes to get the planes of the features correct.

For values I learned that from taking an art class. The instructor taught me to block off the basic shapes of the darkest shadows >>2699952, but you're supposed to build up to the darkest shadows gradually, which I actually forgot to do. Then you lift off the shadows to make highlights. It's a mix of making something dark, pulling back a bit, maybe you pulled off too much shadow, so you put more in. Basic idea is you start big and basic, then work your way up to refining, details, etc

>>2700811
How about you try fix your scratchy lines before trying to finish something.

>>2701094
Looks like the lips are front facing while the nose is turned to the side.

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>>2700981
Nose is crooked, the lips are flat, that neck seems too thick, but we wouldn't know without seeing the reference. You went ahead and put in very detailed eyes right of the bat, like an animu drawing tumblrgirl, even though you're not finished with the whole overall shape yet, and your tone control is abysmal, with shadows being almost pitch black everywhere and the rest being compressed to near white.

You're better than your average beginner, sure, but you're still doing it backwards.

>>2701146
Study picrelated for the simplified layout of the shadows/highlights, then apply what you've learned to whatever face you're trying to draw, having a different angles would help you, but [spoiler]since i'm sure you're copying some depressed girls photos i'm sure you don't have them, get a fucking mirror anon and do some real studying.[/spoiler]

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>>2701201
(You)

>>2701181
Do you know a site with a 360 view of that head?

>>2701206
>>2701201

Oops

>>2701206
I think proko has an app for one but that means it costs money

how good should i be at pure observational drawing before i move on to construction? obviously i don't think it's necessary to get sargent good or anything, but pretty good, right?

even though i finished keys to drawing i feel i need to improve on seeing pure line and shape, and eliminating any notions of the objects i'm drawing.

should this just be something i get better at as i go and start constructing?

>>2701363
Get some printer paper, and your pencil isn't shit, literally any brand of pencil will do. Go read the sticky and learn from a book.

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So I understand how to find the terminators on a cone if it stands up, but how do you find it on a cone lying down?

>>2701472
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

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So im pretty new to rendering, and i still have no idea how to really do it.
So critique would be really appreciated

>>2701507
edges look like shit, learn to draw before trying to render

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some boxes in perspective

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>>2701507

There you go. Look at CTRL+Paint tutorials for smooth transition and search youtube for explanation on shadows

>>2701518
Thanks man, will do.

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>>2699952
>>2699996
>This looks like one of those "LEARN TO DRAW IN FIVE MINUTES" guide "detail" steps, where the author condenses several years of learning how light works into a single vague instruction.

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is a thumbmail drawing supposed to be the size of a literal thumbnail? In Paul Felix' notes it looks so, but I've seen a lot of thumbnails with more details in it.

>>2701567
Oh dear.

>>2701567
no

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getting my looms up, but i feel like i'm not doing it right, whats wrong pls help

>>2701586
You need to practice proportion and placement more. Especially the ear and the jaw. But you already know the general idea of looms so maybe you should study the forms, planes and anatomy of the face and experiment with those.

>>2701586
*breathes in*
VERY VERY bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2701571
thanks
>>2701582
thanks

>>2701607
can i ask you a favor and red line so i cant get the idea, i understand better my visualization

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>>2701640

>>2701647
no, i understood what was wrong but dont know how to do it correctly, how the jaw and hear should be. that part i dont know how to do

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>>2701586
>>2701607
>>2701640
>>2701657

>>2701677
thanks a bunch man seriously, sorry for being a bit annoying

>>2701677
noice

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how do you get this sort of line art brush texture in sai?

>>2701677
I think I've seen you here before. Don't take this the wrong way, but what method are you using for construction of the head? It seems like loomis but different. You have clearly defined side planes near the top of the head but the nose only has a bottom plane.

Again I'm not insulting you just wondering where you got it from. I kind of like it

>>2701683
No problem, it's not annoying

>>2701700
Thanks

>>2701734
I use a mixture of things probably. I guess it would be a sort of mixture of Loomis and Reilly method primarily. I've studied a bit of everyone though. Kevin Chen helped a lot. As for the nose, I am thinking of it in more planes so that the bridge has a front and two side planes, but I don't usually draw it all in I guess since it can get a bit messy or have a lot of defined lines that don't look good. If a quick construction like this I'm more concerned with getting the nose to properly project off the head and not be flattened into the skull like many beginners tend to do. Using a centerline and a plane on the bottom is all that's needed to show that, so it's all I draw (but yes I am thinking of the entire volume of the nose while I do it). When it comes to painting it out I will lay in tones over the major planes of it. There's no real right or wrong way to depict it so long as it is accurate.

>>2701734
not "my" method, this is just me using loomis method, if it is different its because i'm doing it wrong therefor asking for help here
its my first time posting face related stuff, made a post on tower princess but nothing else
not sure what you meant by the side planes,sorry, i always lacked on "arts" vocabulary

>>2701759
lol realized its not for me

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Beginner creative exercise wot?

Pick an eye
Make the eye; get a paper or a screen and do the draughtsmanship
We guess whose eye it is.

>>2701729
is that prinskorv

>>2701750
How did you learn the long lost reilly method?

>>2701952
Nigger there are videos on youtube

>>2701952
It's not long lost. It's still taught in some schools in California (notably Watts Atelier), though I learned it myself online. There were some people on CA back in the day who were trained with it and I dissected their work to figure out how to do it, and then there have been images and articles written by people like Ron Lemen, EM Gist, ccsears and others explaining it. I also have a book on it from Faragasso and you can find a pdf of a book on it from Doug Higgins.

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>>2701872

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I have never done any exercises or taken any lessons in art but I drew alot during high school. It's been a few years and I haven't drawn much since but I would like to get back into it.
Could someone point me in a good direction to start? Also pic related, doodled my dog as a doctor when I was bored (I'm aware it's not good)

Is it normal to mess up measurements/proportions when copying from life?

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Hey guys, I just wanna ask where I can post my work in progress Hentai drawings to ask for critique? I believe it's not allowed here (because nudes).
>pic unrelated

>>2702062
>>2698261

>>2702066
Thanks anon

>>2702025
what if there was a sticky that had this information

if you don't have the initiative and lurk for more than 10 seconds this whole art thing may be a little much for you bud

>>2702121
My bad, I came from the absolute beginner thread and saw that leading nowhere and just posted here right away. Thanks for pointing my mistake

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Anatomy is hard

>>2702225
That's pretty cool

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This one was easier

>>2702236
T-thanks?

>>2702225
>>2702246
Aside from proportion issues and a chickenscratching habit that you need to break as soon as you can, they seem flat. Almost as if you're focusing too much on the contours and not enough on feeling the figure as a 3d object. What method of construction are you using here?

And for god's sake learn how to draw feet and hands.

>>2700132
For god's sake, do you have a blog?

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critiques?

also the first references suck to study, somebody that knows what begs need needs to post next time.

Wtf is symbol drawing?

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>>2702291
Read the fucking sticky.

How do I get proportions right? Whenever I try copying something even with the first excercise from keys to drawing I alawys seem to draw objects in non proportional stuff like in the first excercise from keys to drawing I end up drawing one foot bigger than the other

>>2698838
Question..., When drawing small faces, how do i simplify the features, should i just borrow other artist's styles? I feel it looks too busy if i try and get all the details...

>>2702275
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

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Morning /ic/

>>2702600
very bad read the sticky stop symbol drawing needs loomis and so on and so forth

>>2702045
Yes. It's called learning.

>>2702275
You can find the line of symmetry all you want but it's not going to help if you don't look at how far apart things are in relation to one another. For example look at how far apart her eyes are.

>>2702595
Study Loomis' ball and plane method in Fun with a Pencil, it teaches you how to construct any face you want.

>>2702298
Look through your vertically raised pencil and see where the foot begins and ends in relation to the body.

>>2698979
this

Holy shit, I feel like getting the width and height of a face to be in the same proportion is impossible.

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WIP

Thoughts?

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Can anyone red line the torso in the photo of pic related? Only when I took a photo and put my drawing side by side did I realize the scale is totally wrong

>>2702797
Move her shoulder up, take a look at the gap between her tits and the shoulders, and the sizes of her arms

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>>2702797
Try making landmarks with heads or something

>>2702797
Are there any exercises to help stop chicken scratching? I can't seem to shake it off.

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>>2702908
Dropped pic

>>2702908
just gotta force your way out of it - start using pens/ink anything you cant erase and try to commit to longer smooth lines. This is where line of action comes in handy. (hopefully this makes sense to you besides just myself - hurp)

>>2702909
blog?

>>2699716
try drawing a bit from life or from photos, maybe try firstly some easy buildings/landscape., while doing circles, boxes, ellipses, lines.

>>2702863
>titty

>>2698838
Need advice:

How to color-calibrate my monitor, fool proof? I've never been able to get it right on my laptop and the fucking AMD drivers keep changing it sometimes.
Then, I've always just left my IPS LED HD monitor at it's default and just assumed it's ""correct"" when I'm doodling at home.

Here's the tricky part:
Both of my eyes see color a little differently, and neither are correct. My right eye sees everything much "warmer/dry", and my left sees everything in cooler tones. It's only slightly noticeable, but enough to throw me off sometimes.

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>>2701872
>siggy frypan

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Anon from >>2699336 here,

I've redrawn the head entirely (which is why it's a bit floating atm)
Better now that it's not as stylized? She feels a lot more bland right now..

>>2702908
As a practice, you could try drawing figures or shapes or whatever using as little line work as possible. Try to imagine where the line will go before putting it down, hover the pen over where you want to draw, and mimic the act of drawing said line so that the motion becomes easier to repeat when you get around to putting it down for good.

>>2702976
Please post a pic of your construction lines for the head and face

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I don't usually shade my drawings but decided to give it a try

>>2703030
is his face structure intended to be neanderthalic? the lower half is very prominent. mirror your image if you don't know what i'm talking about

>>2703033
Jesus I hate mirroring my drawings.

Prominent jaws is a recurrent problem for me. I have to pay very close attention when drawing a jaw, else I always make it prominent.

>>2703030
Not sure why you consider that shaded

it's just a drawing with no value colored in gray mid tones

>>2702968
>Both of my eyes see color a little differently, and neither are correct.
What does "correct" imply here? Perception of color is subjective.

As to your question, there are these little thingies you press to the screen that can do it for you, but they apparently cost like a hundred bucks. For a ghetto approach, maybe get a reference color map on paper and calibrate the display according to that.

>>2702968
Learn to compensate for the difference manually.

Alternatively, cut out one of your eyes. A lot of famous artists were one-eyed or had vision problems, such as Van Gogh or Adolf Hitler.

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>>2703030

>>2703071
what the fuck is that lol

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I'm a little confused about how I'm supposed to be adding detail in my paintings. Like in this picture, there's so many "tedious details", like the crevices between each stone, but when I look at other pictures of concept art, I see detail, but not like 'painting each stone by hand' level of detail. How can I bridge the gap between copying every line of a picture versus making fewer details and letting the viewer's mind do the rest?

>>2702275
Get a ruler and measure from the picture how far from one point another point is; do this for as many parts of the image as you can, doubling or tripling the measurements to fir the size of drawing you want to create if necessary, and then beget the line drawing, and then beget the shading. This is extremely important, expecially for a face that contains complez personality such as this; portraits take less time to draw than landscapes, but portraits' lines individually are a lot less forgiving, so you will not want to throw the bone until you have achieved cognizance of some conception of mathematical distance.

>>2703087
You kinda want to do a little something-something.
It's like a gut thing, focus on what you want the viewer to see.

>>2703087
>How can I bridge the gap between copying every line of a picture versus making fewer details and letting the viewer's mind do the rest?
By experience, testing, trial and error. There is no secret technique.

>>2703093
>>2702622
Thanks for the tips guys!

can someone hook me up with a muscle chart for the hip/posterior? i can't find any good ones that seperate the muscles properly, visual is more important than names

>>2703071
just stop embarassing yourself

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>>2703107

>>2702908
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
Do the part 1 exercise.

>>2703018
Those are long gone. I'll probably get bitched for this but paint directly over my lines.

>>2703117
thanks anon

>>2702976
You really should have started learning fundamentals before colouring. Anyway the face is improved but i feel the shape is still too round.

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JMW Turner is ace for a slightly stylized study; we should try and draw or paint pic related by him.

>>2703132
why would you erase your construction and sketching on digital? genuine question

>>2700178
What an Ubermenschian figure

>>2703163
I don't erase it. But I usualy paint on very few layers and blend my sketch with shading.

>>2703132
Well, you fucked up by doing that and it shows.
>i'll probably get bitched at for this

Nigger, aside from the one or two people who legitimately shitpost to make others feel bad, why on earth would anyone "bitch at you", and why would you consider it that? People are trying to help you, and whether you like it or not, erasing, painting over (or whatever you want to call it) construction lines has absolutely no benefit. I asked for your lines so I could help you, not berate you because I'm a 44 year old virgin. Your face is better than the last one but it still has clear construction issues.

Really tired of every other guy on /beg/ getting defensive when I try to help them

>>2700256
I love this comment; it's so elusive and drearily hyperbolic and on its brim is a haggard cogency one may find reverant in the disparity of modern pseudo-boons, which are of white and black tastes, which does not concoct humanity within the indelibility of the sacred semiotics.

>>2700256
I hate this comment; it's so incomprehensible and on its brim is a fucking ripoff of the other guy's comment and it's just so crappy and depressing

>>2703196
*tips fedora*

>>2703208
I love this comment; it's so dual and brims with a meek obedience to a confined system of two words, and is intensely creative with that idea.

>>2702004
Immanuel

>>2699447
not him but I'm having some serious trouble right now and almost feel like quitting. I have a vague idea of how the body works and how it should look from spending time observing, but once I'm drawing it just goes all over the place and I cannot notice the wrong parts. I also can't draw poses or anything

one day draw something good
start to think i am good
next day draw awful things
did my standards improve or did i get worse?

>>2704356
Low sample size

did proko pay to be in the sticky so much?

let me just double check

is there anyone here who disagrees with the shoulder drawing method?

>>2704680
What method, exactly?

Is it bad to bounce between practicing on paper and tablet? I know I gotta start on traditional media but I want to end on tablets. What do you guys think?

>>2704680
the one that is shilled in the sticky
search proko shoulder drawing

https://www.strawpoll.me/11374055

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Thoughs? Only this last me 2 hours...

is there a place to go to rant at how bad i am and is this a good thing to do?