/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

Alright, so I really don't get this.
Do you draw solely with the shoulder or do we mean letting your hand rest on the paper and use the shoulder?

Looked for a questions thread in the catalog and couldn't find any so I guess I'll ask here.
How bad is it to draw on a bed/floor anywhere that's not a proper desk?
Gonna be stuck living in a smallish bedroom for the next couple years I guess and there's not that much room for a desk, so whenever I'd need to use a desk I'd have to go to a public place and have no laptop so I wouldn't be able to read tutorials and books while drawing which is something I'm trying to focus on while learning to draw. Is doing it on the floor going to destroy my progress and hinder my skill or should I just keep doing it since it's not that terrible?

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how am i doing m8s

it's been about a month since i began, though i haven't been able to draw more than an hour a day since uni started

>>2689689
maybe try your local library or something? when i had a small apartment i drew in the lobby (though i guess not all places will have one)

>>2689694
It's alright. I think you are being a bit lazy with values, the shading looks quickly done and doesn't seem to have much range.

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How's this pose?

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>>2689641
Sorry OP but I'm not a huge fan of the refs. Adding some of my own.

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>>2689701

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>>2689703

>>2689699
Looks like his weight isn't at all balanced, as if he was falling to the side or something.

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>>2689704

>>2689705
He's supposed to be in motion, as if he is leaning into a sword swing. He's going to swing the sword from the right of the canvas to the left. I think it will be more apparent once I add details such as swinging hair. Should I change it still?

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How is my croc?

>>2689708
lol, I like it. Not too bad.

>>2689708
Forgot to resize, sorry

>>2689697
true, true

how long is a value study supposed to take? sometimes i don't know how accurately i should be trying to render -- most times i wouldn't even know how to achieve the level of detail that my eyes get

>>2689707
Yeah, thought so, still looks kinda odd in my opinion, even when moving people don't really lose all their balance like that, it honestly looks like that guy is going to do nothing but fall flat on his ass. Also, a real swordsman doesn't swing his blade in such exagerated ways, if you wanna draw stuff like that maybe try checking some real sword sparring footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umi_HUoLdl0

>>2689720
That's some helpful footage actually. I think I'll repaint it tomorrow.

>>2689717
for me it would take about an hour and half to draw and render that, I don't know about other anons.

>>2689694
>>2689697
Not the same anon but do you have any tips on rendering? My shading pretty much looks the same and I'm stumped on how to approach it

>>2689679
Why would you just draw with the shoulder? Only do that when you're drawing long strokes. Half of an A4 at least.

>>2689689
Get a puzzle board.

>>2689771
I take using the wrist at all, ever is sin because of career destruction, so I experimented with many different ways of not using the wrist and found there's actually quite a lot depending on grip, height, etc.

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Could someone help me/ redline my character?
I struggle a lot with things like foreshortening and I feel like she looks awkward/wobbly but I'm having issues fixing it.

>>2689779
What about one of those vertical monitors?

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>>2689901
- like one of those vertical monitors in pic related

>>2689901
>>2689906
oh, and also, the following might help you regarding your tablet and dual monitor thing: https://forums.artrage.com/showthread.php?44397-2-Monitor-Setup-possible-to-limit-tablet-workspace-to-one-monitor-only

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So I just got back into drawing after a very long pause.

I sucked ass, really sucked ass, and now I found out I have somehow magically improved.
It was all in my mind.

I'm practicing shading from imagination and stuff.
This is completely from imagination.

Just fuck my shit up pls.

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stopped drawing animu for good

will someone critique my studies of torsos?

>>2689846
Is there a particular reason why the tips of the upper lips don't line up with the nostrils?

Is that your sttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyle?

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Is there an easy way of mastering Scott Robertson's technique? I always end up having thousands of lines and losing track of them. Even if I use different colors.

>>2690155
No I just fucked up because I'm a noob. No need to bitch about something so small.

>>2690156
Get really good at freehanding perspective

>>2690204
why

>>2690205
why what?

>>2690204
You're getting better with the pattern of dots and how their size and shape varies. I'd love to see your take on some other subjects, maybe a landscape or interior.

>>2690152
But those are animu torsos

>>2690216
thanks, i'll try to do that

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>>2689235

>>2690230
Absolutely no idea how to handle hair so I just used another brush. :|||

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How's this eye?

>>2690270
large and sideways

>>2690156
There are some special blue pencils and some scanners have a sort of function where you can scan a drawing you made and they exclude the blue pencil lines. otherwise you have to work digitally, simply on a different layer.

But personally I think those lines add something to the drawing

>>2690318
same guy again, just did a quick google search it's called "non-photo blue"

>>2690165
>help me with my character
>gets defensive

oh anon

>>2690270
large and sideways

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How's my goldfinch looking, ic?

Personally I think the shading could use some work, any other areas for improvement?

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what am I missing? I've hit another dead end. time to go back and start again?

>>2689846
The way I see it, you should try matching up the foot placement with the way her shoulders are angled.. if that makes sense. Change how her legs look to create depth.

>>2689929
Pretty good considering, but I wouldn't stunt yourself like that. You'll learn and improve the most by drawing from references. After spending time studying a certain image, you should be able to recall how to draw it later on. Keep on going! I do like drawing from imagination from time to time, though. Helps you check on your progress and test your memory.

>>2690209
I'd like to see this in color m80

>>2690339
Visual interest and clarity are among the things you're missing. No forest looks that plain and artificial, so add some flora, give it some liveliness. Study more about composition and value structure. Think more about where that light is coming from and why, maybe that will help you figure out how to set up the scene better.

>>2690182
kinda because many questions go ignored like mine

>>2689424
theyre bad because it takes up too much space

>>2689929
that is the cutest skull any noob has ever drawn on /ic/

>>2689641
What are some good resources for studying proportions, or for body parts?

>>2689929
>imagination
that's pretty good yo

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>>2689704

>>2689699
Looks like the sword is massively heavy, not sure if that's what you're going for.

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>trying to learn perspective with Erik Olson's videos
>easy to follow and simple works to understand the concepts
>suddendly I'm supposed to know figure

Is it time to move from Perspective to Figure Drawing? Should I skip them? What do I do? I seriously cannot follow through this because I don't know much about figure.

>>2690533
Both at the same time.

>>2690204
I really like your style (I've seen like 20 of your posts) and you're not /beg/ anymore

>>2690232
The hair's pretty good! the eyes and lips are jarringly 2d though

>>2690218
but I studied from real life, what did I do wrong ;_;

>>2690538
he's been here for years and posts them in every thread

>>2690542
ignore him, he's shitposting

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>see absolute beginner thread when it was at 8-9 posts
>think it's a funny shitpost
>still up today
>look in it
>it's legitimate below-beginner tier containment thread

Huh.

>>2690548
thanks for sharing

>>2690548
>it's legitimate below-beginner tier containment thread
I feel like there should be an intermediate thread instead. The very definition of beginner is people who are new to it and don't have much experience, I.E. like the people in this thread. Also a lot of actual beginners get discouraged when they see what level everyone is at at the beginner thread. Intermediate would be a good compromise imo.

>>2690554
there was a couple months ago but it got shitposted to death (maybe because nosebro made it)

>>2690555
yeah I remember that. Nosebro fucked it up by making a shit OP post. This thread was kind of shit posty in the start too but got better once people started posting work/asking real questions.

>>2690554
Adding my support. I think it's a good idea and it seems a little less intimidating than being called an absolute beginner, even if it's true.

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any suggestions on how to color this?
i want to paint it like the new chance the rapper album cover but any suggestions would be welcome

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>>2690562
example

>>2690562
so why post in /beg/ if you're not /beg/?

>>2690538
thank you!
>>2690543
yes, i prefer beginner and stylization tho.

>>2690571
I remember that anon saying he was new to using a tablet.

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>>2690571
As >>2690575 said, im new to wacom tablets, and i really dont know how to paint. This is where im heading, but if anyone has brush reccommendations or anything id really like some pointers

>>2690548
Its literally like first weeks 8 year olds and parkinson's thread. Just wait a month and you will be good enough to post in here I don't get it.

>>2690555
>>2690557
that wasnt me though. look in the archive... I still don't see the use of anything above the current 2 tier system.

>>2690533
same with loomis, i started reading his book, and he goes from 0 to 100 in 20pages and is like "this is most important part of the book", basically they assume yo can already draw decently. Im learning proko gesture drawing atm and studying some anatomy on the side as well, then il continue reading loomis figure drawing book..

>>2690625
it was your picture and thats honestly enough to start a gongshow

>>2690548
n-no bully

>>2690730

Robert Pattinson?

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>>2690740

>>2690743
Never have I seen such a front-to-back disparity.

>>2689687
dat real life tumblr nose

>>2690332
Make the legs a little thicker and i'm not sure about the perspective for the tail feathers. Maybe have them tilted to be more flat if that makes any sense.

>>2690730
The painting itself isn't bad but it doesn't look like the reference at all. Everything is slightly different in comparison.

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Can i get some critique, especially on the shading?

>>2690831
Get printer paper and read Keys to Drawing. Download link is in the sticky.

>>2690831
Post reference.

>>2690831
i'm no expert, but i think you are symbolizing the eyes and maybe the lips a little. dunno about the shading

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Just started fun with a pencil. How am I doing?

>>2690831

There's an evident lack of structural understanding, forget shading for now and focus on learning the construction of the head.

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>start keys to drawing
>go in full overdrive mode, am able to copy countours of stuff i see to near perfection
>3 days later
>go back to symboling for some reason

JUST

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How do I push through a slump after having my confidence shaken? The lack of motivation's affecting my ability to even do basic gestures accurately and I constantly feel I should be better than I am with all the time invested so far...

>>2690865

Too soon to tell. Keep going!

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>>2690851
Pic related.

>>2690846
I got it a while ago, i'm still in the first chapter.

>>2690863
Now that i look back on it, i really started dozing off somewhere through the drawing and started symboling. Goddamn me.

>>2690831
What helped me a lot with the shading was not to be afraid to push my values, as other Anons often crit me to do so.
Use increasingly softer pencils to map out dark areas, and I also got a few paper stumps to smoothen the shaded areas.

What's the definition of mileage again? They always mention it in videos and guides but never define it. From what I understand, it's how frequent one draws, right? Or perhaps it refers to drawing endurance?

>>2690934
It's how long someone has drawn. Like you know miles traveled.

>>2690938
>Car mileage
Of fucking course.

>>2690533
push through and do your best

>>2690871
stop beating yourself up. enjoy the fact that eye has leveled up. and push your hand to catch up.

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Re-posting from previous /beq/

Currently working on the lighting exercise posted by Sycra in part 6 of his tutorial on shading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agMsEUL7xT0 [Embed]

Only used a 2B graphite pencil for the majority of the drawing and a paper stump to blend the values on a portion of the spheres. I didn't use the stump on all of spheres because I wanted to compare between them. I also outlined all of the spheres using a 6B pencil so it would pop out more.

Any critique or advice on how I could improve upon my shading?

>>2690957
>/beg/ not /beq/

I just finished keys to drawing 2 weeks ago and have been struggling with where to go from there.
I want to draw the human body and the sticky recommends vilppu, yet it starts off with gestures? do i keep going with vilppu or should i switch to a different anatomy book?

>>2689708
>not wearing crocs

it's cute

>>2690975
Try it all out and see what sticks

>>2690975
gestures are a good start, vilppu's manual does a fair job of explaining gesture so you could keep going, but you can refer to proko if you want a more digestable approach to gesture.

>>2690985
that seems kind of vague, but i appreciate the answer.
>>2690986
so gesture correlates with anatomy then. if thats the case ill do some draw-a-box on the side too for construction and what not.

>>2690562
I gotta be honest, all of your posts look traced.

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i can count to potato

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>>2689646

Holy fuck I'm bad at this.

I'm not sure what I'm missing; I've gone over the structure of the head for months and thought I had a moderately good understanding of values but just about everything went wrong doing this.

Can anyone with more experience help identify what I'm doing wrong and how I can improve? I've scrapped this and will try again later, going to work on drawing the head without values to try and get more practice with proportion until then.

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Working on my first painting, yes I know a bloodletter is a bad first painting, DARE NOT QUESTION THE BLOOD GOD'S MADNESS.

I feel good about it so far, but how do I fix the face?
I tried overlaying a trapezoid in perspective, but didnt help. I somehow don't understand this geometry at all.

>>2689908

this is actually better than what i can do (a socially awkward 10 year old kid)

>>2691093
>months
Gonna take longer than that anon. Your picture looks fine, it doesn't look "incredible" but you'll get there. Try watching proko's facial feature videos

>>2691093
clean up those brushstrokes, anon.
the head looks alright for a starting point.
it seems like you have more problems copying shapes than the general structure. your values are off too and thats making it look worse than it is, focus more on edgework and shapes and value will come easier.

>>2691075
>they were numbers all along
Oh shit, are you fucking serious?

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>>2689648
Just wanted to try and render with color instead only greyscale..
Well and I shouldn't have gone directly into rendering whit out a real sketch...
Anyways Critique?

>>2691140
It's just sloppy, anon. The values are wrong and you are not thinking about edges or the quality of your brush strokes at all. Simplify it. Work with as large a brush you can get away with, squint at your ref to get the general values and shapes and work with those, without focusing on detail. Once you have the general picture down and it looks good, you can go in smaller. You're never going to fix the bigger problems with rendering.

how good do i have to be at purely drawing from observation before i can start thinking about form?

dodson introduces thinking about form in the chapter on value (which makes sense to me, copying value without thinking about anything else is a bitch).

is everything up to this point in keys to drawing actually a good enough primer to move on to form?

>>2690204
>>2690565
>>2690945
I like the rather post-impressionist expressiveness to these. You should consider picking up a brush and move to oil paint--I think the way you work would translate in a pretty interesting way using traditional media. Check out the work of Pierre Bonnard and Edouard Vuillard, and their contemporaries.

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So I've been doing these quick 60 seconds gestures. I've probably done almost a couple hundreds of them.

I find that some poses are just hard, like the stiff, standing ones and the lying down poses. You can see how the figure on the top right looks like shit and you can't even tell what she's doing. That's one of those.

I've been looking at different people, and they all do different stuff. For example Vilppu and Proko capture the "flow" with a few strokes put in the right places, while others like Sycra just scribble all over the place "carving out" the form.

What do you guys think? And what do you do? Any advice?

>>2691183
Do whatever works best with you as long as you get results. There isn't one correct way to do gesture. Watch/read/look at other people too, Jeff Watts, Steve Huston, Danny Galieote, Ron Lemen, Ryan Woodward.

As for your gestures, you are still too focused on contours rather than just the gesture itself. Those straight lines you put in there break whatever flow the figures have. Stick to your C and S curves for the gesture, you're not going to see any straight lines at this stage (except maybe the spine when looking head on at a figure standing straight).

>>2691196
Yeah I'm noticing that a lot.
I always break them with straight lines because I get into the "contour" mindset.

It's not easy to let go of that.

>>2691198
Take your time with them if you're finding it hard to decide what sort of marks to put down. Pause the timer and really analyze the pose, look at masters' drawings and draw over them, try to find the gesture and what sort of shapes they use to build the form on top of it. Look at what they did right and also what they could have done better.

>>2691211
Thanks man

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I'm learning how to plot reflections.
Should the reflected yellow line in the second pic have a vanishing point on the horizon?

>>2691239
I think so, think about it this way
imagine the viewpoint is moved to the mirror looking out at the reflected angle
that line would converge to a point on the horizon behind where the viewer is now
if the mirror weren't perpendicular to the ground plane things would get tricky

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>>2691271
>>2691239
hopefully this helps
(deleted post of wrong drawing)

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Rate, please? Really want to improve.

This is my very first time trying to draw a human body actually measuring things. There are few obvious mistakes I only saw after scanning it, like the super-big shoulder on the left and also part below the ribs on the left but anyway,

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>>2691403
Ref:

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>>2691403
Sorry, always forget to resize the damn things

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Can somebody pls explain in retard-speak what a "long axis curve" is? I thought it was just a fancy term for gesture, so how do I "find more of it" in this pictute?

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>>2691409
Whoops

>>2691406
youll never go anywhere with this. go study the anatomy and next time, draw while seeing the object in your mind as 3d. and before taking a pen to it to give it a 'good' look, just draw the shapes in. you can trace over it later when you need a 'good' drawing.

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something is wrong with this.
spending more time with shadows wouldn't fix it.
what's going on?

or should I just keep going?

>>2691413
no reference, by the way
i want to draw from imagination and make it look good
but now i realize the eyes and ear is symbol as fuck, and the hair i didn't finish because i'm too scared of ruining it further
fuck it, i'm starting over

>>2691413
The ear is off, and the shadows don't really help since they're kind of haphazard. Lower the ear a little, make the hair look a little more hair like and not a matted mess before you start the shading process.
Really like the face shape though.

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ctrl paint made me do this cartoony shit to practice lines, i guess it's more fun to grind this shit out rather than pages of shapes and lines etc.

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Ach.

>>2691411
>>2691409
the longer part of the oval shape

>>2691413
symbol drawing, mostly

read loomis, im not kidding

>>2691454
Thanks

>>2690326
>mocks a beginner
>is surprised when beginner acts defensive

oh anon

>>2690871
do some exercise and then draw immediately afterwards. Like run around your block or something

>>2691480
In what way was it mocking?

>>2689689
you can get one of those lap desks

>>2690957
you should try getting a wider range of value without a stump or a soft pencil, and maybe try making smooth gradients by layering the graphite.

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Super sorry, pulled these pics off my tumblr and im on my phone, so i cant resize. May i ask for critique on the newer pic, the one im posting in this, and tell me whats better or worse than my one below it? I know its messy, its sorta, first draft.

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>>2691513

>>2691499
Probably when you asked if it was part of their style in the most condescending way possible.

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Will Learning while using a mouse to draw fuck my shit up in the long run?

>>2691524
Things like colour theory and perspective, prolly not. Id get a cheapo tablet asap tho.

>>2691524
Why would you do that.
Can you not afford a pencil

>>2691527
Id assume they wanna do digital art.

>>2691513
>pics off my tumblr
>cant resize
>monster fetish
>didnt read sticky

this has to be a joke

>>2691530
Im on my phone, the link off the sticky wont load, tumblr is where everyone uploads their art.

>>2691528
Bingo.

>>2691526
Cheapo tablet without a screen makes me cringe a little

I just don't like the idea of drawing and having to change my direction of view constantly, is it as bad as it sounds or is the tablet worth it?

>>2691545
A tablet is most certainly worth it. Most people who do digital art dont spring for a cintiq anyway, a wacom is the standard

>>2691523
It was just banter. I tried to give him constructive advice before that...

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>>2691513
>>2691515
i want to get off mr. bones' wild ride

>>2691565
Constructive criticism only.

I don't have any examples but jesus christ arms are a bitch to draw. Even when copying from reference, they just don't look right, mostly from the elbow down to the hand. Any tricks to make it easier?

>>2691529
yeah, your picture is shit and no one cares

>>2691562
wow you are defensive, if you're going to complain about people calling you an ass you should just try not being an ass

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master study that no way to go

I drew this Rosalina.
I am new to the digital stuff still.
Did i do it right?
I have the lines on a layer, individual colors on their own layers,
and the shading on its own layer in "multiply" as the blending options. I just used gray on the multiply to do the shading.

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>>2691595
shit my bad i posted the fullsize one.

Here is the resize

>>2691597
your lines are a bit jaggy, they flick off at the ends. Could potentially be fixed by changing the min size of your brush to like 5-20%.

>>2691239
yes. increase the size of your mirror up to the horizon line its easier to see it should disappear to that point. then cut the mirror off again.

Can anyone recommend some tools to buy for drawing/figure drawing, like an art kit or some shit

>>2691605
I recommend some printer paper and a pencil.

>>2691607
this +a internet connected device too look up some figures

>>2691598
K ill try that

>>2691513
>>2691515
Would anyone be willing to answer? So far ive had random insults that dont actually say whats wrong.

>>2691617
cclean up the lines and do the highlights solid instead of all fuzzy
I think that will make it look shinier.

Can someone validate this figure drawing guide series for me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFyiM-Z3NZc

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>>2691617
headed to work ill mention some things I see: the chicken scratching line work is unappealing, and lack of background makes it harder to make good contrast on the characters. on the second pic, the contrast on the background is in reverse(should be lighter further in distance darker nearby) and oversaturated. the second post has better line and contrast on the character. theyre all missing feet and hands which is considered a copout when someone doesn't know how to draw them. highlights on the second pic are randomly pointing at the ground and eyeballs are crossed. anatomy is all over.
don't give up, just keep learning and start simpler than human forms that are also translucent.

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>>2691513
>>2691515
Someone should stop playing coc so much

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>>2691568
you should stop.

>>2691271
>>2691299
>>2691601
Thanks for your help!

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how does my waterfall look so far?

>>2691677
little bit too saturated colors for my taste

>>2691680
maybe if i lighten up the right itll add more depth?

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why does me lines look like shit in the finished drawing?

>>2691696
Little bit of chicken scratch senpai

>>2691696
because the drawing itself is bad

>>2691562
> pls don't banter me because I banter a noob

Are you 12??

>>2691697
now that you mention it, that seems to be that, i though wont be noticeable. but they are.

>>2691461
Not him, but i feel like Loomis doesn't really help with symbols.

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>>2689641

I love Loomis but can anyone translate this to a system of measurement that makes sense?

>>2691706
The head is being divided in fifths fourths and thirds. There's no more to it.

>>2691677
>dull colors
I would make greens in lightened areas a bit more yellow, to show color of the sun.
>shading with black
Shadows in this case are probably too dark and should have hue shifted towards blue to show light reflected from the sky.
>inaccurate reflections
Next time use a reference - just google "waterfall" and you'll find some photos with waterfalls that are reflected in the water below.
>it looks flat
I think that you should approach this drawing the way you would be drawing inside of a giant bowl - starting with a big, general shape. Trees and waterfall treat like a texture. This way you'll notice that trees on the left should be generally in shadow, and trees on the right should be brighter, just like you pointed it out in >>2691683.

>>2691710
the reflection is definately bad. the colors are extremely difficult. literally EVERY ref i look at for things like "jungle lake" or "jungle waterfall" has really high saturation and a lot of the yellows like you say. it just seems that since ive locked myself into to duller colors going to bright on the trees i the sun will throw everything off and i might as well scrap it then. ill try it anyways to see how it goes though. thanks for the tips

>>2691696
>me
Ach, wee one ya lines looks like shit coz ya dinnae check yur proportions.

>>2691741
yo, i just noticed this myself, legs are to short and torso to long

>>2691696
How is no one else saying this
You 100% killed any little line depth you had when you "cleaned" it, you might have some understand on how the body works but it looks like a trace and your lines don't have much confidence
I think you're too early to be trying the body go back and grind some boxes and/or cylinders with focus on fixing what looks off everytime and study line depth

>>2691751
Oh and try traditional with a pen, it looks like you're using the perks of digital as a crutch, sorry if I'm being harsh, it's just that I used to be in the same position as you

>>2691706
proko head videos

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Advice?

>>2691798
Fix the hand. I really don't know how to describe what's wrong with it though.

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been doing these drawabox things, here's the beginning of the animal lesson

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>>2691807

>>2691140
Try using a larger brush

>>2691801
Thanks for the advice. Hand still the hardest one for me.

>>2691807
Bretty good m8
There's an animal section on drawabox? Someone told me to leave it after grinding the boxes and etc

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>>2691798
Did a quick sketch over yours. I think the problem is that you messed with the perspective and the position of the hand and it made the anatomy look all off. Stick with geometric shapes that are close to the body parts you want to draw.

I warn you, what i did is not perfect but i hope it shows you what i mean.

The rest of the drawing is really good. Id almost say you dont really belong in the beginners thread.

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critique?

>>2691835
you should draw with solid shapes instead of just random lines

>>2691835


this>>2691847 also spend time measuring and checking proportions and such. theres literally nothing wrong with that. some of your objects are obviously off just by glancing for example the dogs right eye is higher than its left when its the other way around in the left. not to mention its drawn too big making the moose look retarded. another obvious mistake is that the tip of the right ear is directly above the nose yet you have it much further out in the drawing. also, will you be a dear and post the ref in its original size since i gave you advice?

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>>2691850

>>2691852
thanks

>>2691832
Thank you very much for the red lines, really helpful. Before I tried to fix her hand but still look wierd but after looking yours now I get it. Also thanks for the compliment. May you have a wonderful weekend, good sir.

>>2691827
yeah, http://drawabox.com/lesson/5

iskdhow good they are, but practice cant hurt right?

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Any critique for my rough before I continue with it?

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My first attempt making pixel art. I can't draw or pixel worth shit; but I tried. That's all that matters

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Do I have untapped potential?

>>2691934
post source
like what is that thing on her eyebrow even?

>>2691798
stop symbol drawing

>>2691959
not him but wuts symbol drawing?

>>2691700
please google the definition of "banter"

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>>2691977
Like Clockwork

>>2691979
>draw with your eyes and not your brain
How does that help with drawing from imagination then? You're still drawing "symbols" because you're drawing from knowledge and memory, your overall understanding of how something should appear, and not from actually observing something.

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Other than linework, how those flowers look like?
And if it is about the lines, how can i make them better?

>>2691984
how are you going to improve your visual memory if you can't even replicate things to add to it? You have to learn to draw from observation and then experience the ego-crushing realization that you can't do it without a reference, THEN you begin to recall your visual library with studies and the regurgitation of those studies

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How do I make artwork like this

>>2691998
months upon months upon years of practice

>>2691998
Anime celshading and many photoshop filters

>>2689641
Ok I'm absolute garbage and i should kill myself
But I kind of do better with a teacher
Too bad I fucked it up like I fuck up everything
So I'm looking for a new one and i wanted to know what should I exactly look for because I had great and terrible luck with teachers before

>>2692004
i don't know man the proportions look all off whack to me, it looks like a bad drawing disguised as a good one with all the colourand shading

look at her hand, that's a yaoi hand if i ever saw one

>>2692004
Where do I start my dude

>>2692008
this is obviously stylized drawing, if you are judging, its proportions you are doing it wrong.

For what it is:
>anime drawing with realistic shading
its well done

>>2692014
you start by drawing boxes and doing proportions and stuff.
>http://drawabox.com

>>2692014
the sticky

>>2692022
it's a bad anime drawing with good shading

anime has proportions too

>>2692027
so what is off?

>>2692014
also watch proko stuff its pretty good

>>2692028
her left arm is all twisted
the head band thing whatever it is is flat
as is her torso
her head is connected to her body oddly

>>2692028
It's anime

>>2692008
>>2692031
It's pretty bad, which makes it all the more sadder when >>2692004 is still correct.

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im working with the proportion portion on keys to drawing rn; besides with the problems with proportions (+dog also shifted a little after i started) how can i better my line work? i've been trying to avoid chicken scratching and trying to get the overall figure sketched out but it comes out really messy. do i just need more line confidence? or maybe more time i spent maybe 15-20 minutes on it. i drew from life reference photo was taken from my perspective. any other help would be cool too thanks friends

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>>2692036
here is the sketch sorry oops!

>>2691988
Anyone? Any critique? Anything?

>>2692041
its been... an hour

if anything you can stand to vary your lineweight

it seems as if it's just a doodle

>try drawing with pencil held like proko and vilppu
>drawing get instantly better
what the fuck
and its pretty comfy

>>2691988
>>2692041
you posted lineart and didn't want to get your lines critiqued, so yeah. Composition looks ok, but idk what you want to hear. Focus on linewheight, seperate the shapes by using tone or hatching.

>>2692055
>didn't want to get your lines critiqued
Did you read his WHOLE post?

>>2692046
>>2692055
Ok, thank you.

>>2691979
>stop drawing with your brain!
>guy literally does a symbol drawing of an eye but thinks it's good because it's convoluted
>uses words like "square, triangle"

>>2692083
d*ng, apparently not. Sorry

>>2691998
Why do people not realize that you can produce visually appealing things without having any fundamentals? Take this picture for example. Any normie or inexperienced person will say it looks fantastic. But anyone with a decent level of observation will note how the artist is clearly deficient in 3d understanding. The entire image is flat, several parts of the body have fucked up proportions or are straight up misplaced.

Just because it's anime and has 14 hours of coloring (w/ 52 different layers) doesn't mean it was well drawn. A friend of mine draws stuff of this quality, has a good amount of followers but straight up can't do perspective. He's watched me practice perspective and told me "I dunno how you do that stuff"

>>2690209
sketch? It's great, but if it's shaded completely in your opinion then you have to practice on that.

>>2691988
Dat chickenscratch

>>2690270
Study more the shapes eyes have, you're just one step away from drawing more realistic eyes, I had this problem too. Generally the eyelid below the eye is not that shaded and receives a lot of light, so it is not as you drew it, upper eyelids tend to make a complete line and shade because the eye is open, unless you wanted to make the eye half open/ tired, in that case you should make the iris be closer to the below eyelid, try practicing with photos from google and eyes with different expressions/angles/watching in different directions, also pay attention to the eye characteristics, there are sad eyes, neutral eyes, angry eyes (not eyebrows), also study more the position of eyebrows, it varies, but you gotta learn with the standards.

>>2690392
A mirror, photos, photos you take, a real person.
Also ask for help to people that actually know how to draw.

>>2690865
cute caricatures m8, comfortable/10, have you tried realism?

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First time doing a drawing with both graphite and charcoal together. Do I need to go darker with the shading? Any other advice? (I know the ear is too small) REF: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/markhughes/files/2015/04/EX-MACHINA-4.png

>>2691513
Your art belongs to deviantart, what does that mean? You're too amateur and probably underage because of how you draw. First: If go for cartoon eyes why are you shading? Or if you are drawing cartoons then why are you trying to shade realistically? Because that's what it looks like. Think better on anatomy, how? Just do some fucking research on google ffs, stop mixing your way of drawing with manga... DO NOT TAKE ADVICE FROM TUMBLR, everything there looks the same and the tumblr way of drawing is fucking annoying, learn that landscapes take a lot of work and you can't just do what you did on the second pic and paint hills and a sun... Want to be taken seriously? Learn to draw normal shit before moving to your fetishes.

>>2691706
draw circle, draw jaw, in the middle are the eyes, a little above the eyebrows, from eyebrows to chin the middle is where the nose ends, from eyebrows to nose are the ears, put what you measured from nose to chin and put it above the eyebrows and you got yourself where the forehead ends, eyebrows to nose=nose to chin= forehead; Shit like that, that you have to analize.

>>2692007
Heads up Anon, I know those feelings, you're not alone, don't leave us alone and stop being a pussy.

>>2692038
sketch with pencil my dude

What is the proper "form" while drawing?
I thought it was as simple as pen+paper but apparently there's a difference based on wether you're sitting or standing, or if you're using only your wrist (easy) or your shoulder is involved in the process (fuckin' hard).

What does /itc/ think is the best , or at least necessary pose/position to draw properly?

>>2692219
Pen builds line confidence
It's better for beginners, don't give bad advice

>>2692226
That's true, my bad, senpai.

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finished shitty manga master study from yesterday
but who gives shit

>>2692256
It is great, only panel I see off is the first one.

>>2692256
>but who gives shit

pretty funny way to post that kek.
looks good tho.

>>2692256
>beginner
Why?

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How does one do poses?

>>2692256
The face in the first panel looks weird. Rest doesn't look bad.

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trying to improve drawing from imagination. dumb sketches

>>2692256
>korean
>japanese
>and english
Seriously

>>2690743
>10/10 from the front
>full potato on the sides

>>2689641
how do you properly place the oval on the head on the andrew loomis method?
like how do you know what is the shape going to be at a certain angel

>>2692462
By visualizing it and drawing it on paper until it's right. It takes a lot of time. Don't think that just because it's a simple shape, it's easy.

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just fuck my shit up. I don't know how to do anything

>>2692467
That's surprisingly good if I hadn't seen the ref. Although, is this a self portrait? I would tell you to use a different ref with better lighting if it isn't since it'll throw you off as a beginner.

>>2692177
Could be wrong but i think the left eye has the wrong perspective; i think it should be angled away from the viewer more.

>>2692471
It's a phone pic of a friend of mine. I didn't want to mislead by not posting the ref.

Any advice? how would this throw me off when learning?

>>2692220
If you're looking for proper form then go to school, if you're here just do whatever you feel is comfortable, no position is necessary.

>>2692467
Not bad anon. The irises should be wider and the bridge of the nose a little shorter but not bad at all.

>>2690568
faggot

>>2690562
How does one simply eat a pie?

>>2692467
>>2692471
>>2692477
>>2692478
>>2692487
>>2692490
You should all kill yourselfs

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trying to do cartoons more. I quickly sketched this, no cleaning up. How does it look?

Question. What would you guys recommend is a good daily practice routine? Nothing generic like "practice anatomy and perspective", I mean something like "draw a skeleton in a new pose and flesh it out" or something of that nature.

>>2692544
>Nothing generic like "practice anatomy and perspective"
So nothing useful, got it.

Draw stick men with a toothpick dipped in soy sauce.

>>2692548
You misunderstand my question. Something more specific than blanket suggestions.

>>2692503
yourselves*

>>2692544
Depends what your end game is. What do you want to be making once you're skilled enough?

>>2692544
I don't know. Maybe draw what you enjoy drawing, but in ways you find difficult?

for example if you want to draw various characters, try and come up with dynamic poses and angles instead of the usual: face, side, 3/4

There's a bunch of vids on youtube that go in depth on different ways to practice if you're looking for ideas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkNeZDRuqWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

>>2692560
I'd like to tell children's stories, to be honest.

>>2692565
Then you don't need to study anything, as long as a kid can tell it's caterpillar or whatever then you're good.

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I'm not a /beg/ but I'm newer to terms and such in art so can someone tell me what symbol drawing/symbolizing is?

Pic not related

I'm kinda at loss at where to go from here, I feel weird about the colors, I'm thinking I want something murky, but I want something to contrast it, green isn't going to work with that maroon color, so maybe sea blue?

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>>2693245
to retarded to properly attach the pic

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any critique?

reference is here
>>2690730

>>2691510
Duly noted, thanks. Will try to learn how to layer graphite.

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>>2689687
2 dark 4 me

>>2693246
the skin is horribly yellow, try looking at some skin palettes

>>2692116
yeah, i'm trying to move into a somewhat more realistic style. Thanks for the compliments anon

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>>2693215
symbol drawing is drawing how you think something looks instead of how it actually appears.

Symbolizing has its place in art and can be done purposefully.The gripe is when it's obviously not on purpose and the person just isn't skillful enough to translate what they are actually seeing through their art.

>>2690543
I've only been here for a few months.

I know /ic/ leans more onto the technical side, but do you guys have a conceptual process for making art?

Until now I've pretty much been sporadic with coming up with ideas to try or making an art piece for something. But in a work environment that's not good and it's expected that we have a process where you build ideas and themes together then turn off your brain and put it all together in the studio.

>>2694409
I was actually going to ask something similar. I enjoy drawing a lot but I seriously can't think of anything to draw

because of this most of what I do are studies and practice all day without applying all that knowledge to anything. I initially got into art because I wanted to draw fanart but nowadays I don't even know what to draw from existing IPs. It has become a permanent loop of practice