/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2639295
Still looking for an idiot's guide to eyeball placement and eyelid construction

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>>2636573
I tried. Any tips? I still struggle drawing with a tablet =/

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>>2639295
AAAAAAAAA didn't see new thread in time. reposting here.
STEMfag amateur here looking for a hobby to help me stop drinking. First serious drawing in years since intro art class in college. Can't draw from imagination at all except for stick figures, so started with photo. Took about an hour. Tried to avoid chickenscratch. Also working my way through Loomis. Any general advice much appreciated.
ty senpai :3

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>>2639329

>>2639332
Honestly people are going to hound you to read the sticky and devote hours upon hours to art. People will tell you to stop drawing faces and draw basic 3D objects, still lives, and simpler forms instead. They will tell you you're symbol drawing. I don't know if you have the time for the commitment because of STEM but be aware of those in the future. And since you're only doing this as a hobby it's okay to go at your own pace, albeit somewhat slow - just remember to have fun with it.

As for your drawing, read the sticky.

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>>2639296
First time trying an old man.

>>2639329
More construction, less animu and fancy haircuts

>>2639340
Thank you, that was very kind
/ic/ is a nice board

>>2639340
>>2639344
I just realized that sounded sarcastic. I wasn't being sarcastic at all. Sincere thanks senpai

>>2639340
Eh, he doesn't have to draw simple forms themselves, just construct what he's drawing from simple forms. Also, drawing/painting still life is more fulfilling and fun than photostudies or loomis.

>>2639342
Hard edges, anon, come on. It's like watching a man melt from behind frosted glass.

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Does anyone know of any specific exercises or tutorials I could use to get good at human proportions?

I'm already practicing more, I just want to know what else I could do besides that and how I can practice as effectively as possible

>>2639354
gesture/quick sketches really helped me

>>2639354
Memorize proportions based on head measurements and just keep drawing

>>2639305
Giraffe round two anyone?

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>>2639350
Ahh thank you anon, was so focused on getting the forms right that I forgot to keep my edges sharp.
Thinking of doing a serious wrinkle study sometime.

Isn't construction symbol drawing? Main difference being that beginners draw 2D symbols but construction uses 3D symbols.

Either way, they're drawing interpretations of what they see rather than just what they see. However, I'm not disputing that practicing observation skills improves the quality of the interpretations.

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>>2639302
>>2639300
How should one go about creating proper, crisp edges where needed?

>>2639376
Construction is more focused on the feel of 3D and proportions I think.

Do I need to go through all the 3D and Loomis shit in the sticky post if I want to draw anime/manga style?

>>2639361
>>2639362
Thanks friends I'll try and do that

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>>2639296
>>2639306

>>2639305
>2 hours
>had to start over completely after realizing the first attempt was unsalvageable
>can't feel my hand
end me

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>>2639305
>>2639406

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so im using landscape refs as a drawing template and changing the lighting and what not, so here's what i got from my ref in the other thread. i know there's probably some detail i could push, but its snow. any critiques/tips before i call it finished?

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Not sure if I should post this here or in another thread. Does this look good as a preliminary sketch? How is the anatomy? The face? The pose? I want to try a couple different poses, but how does this one look? I edited the brightness/contrast of this pencil sketch to make it easier to see.

>>2639386
No, it just helps get your proportions correct. Use those books/methods to supplement your stylised drawings.

>>2639514
>constructing the figure from 3d forms just helps get proportions correct
Don't talk to beginners ever again.

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Hey is this right?

>>2639556
It's more ugly then anything. At least try to put a little pride in your work. First impressions count.

>>2639579
is it right though.

>>2639588
Art is not about being right, it is about interpreting your own experience of what is right

>>2639588
No. it's too ugly and you're too lazy for it to be "right"

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>>2639593
Fair enough friend.However, in relation to the basic human proportions how do you think my little shitty pic lines up?
>>2639595
k

>>2639596
It lines up with shit. It's a stack of heads. So what?

>>2639386
Yes.

>>2639596
Humans are generally somewhat wider

Seriously, just google human proportions, that's just a column of ovals

>>2639603
Kek. alright.

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Guys, how do i get a good grasp of basic anatomy to start drawing bodies? i'd really like to start doing that instead of endless practice things, but i just dont know where to fucking begin. sorry for the huge file size.

>>2639615

I recommend The Structure of Man by Riven Pheonix. He goes over anatomy very well, his torrent should easily be found.

>>2639378
eraser and/or brush settings
also i think you're ready to leave /beg/

1. How does one draw slower? I usually finish Keys to Drawing exercises in like 10 minutes.

2. I've seen other noobs being recommended to do still lives and basic shapes for starters. Should I do that or keep going with Keys to Drawing?

3.How do I use Hogarth's books? Thry don't have exercises. Do I just copy the drawings?

>>2639618
Actually I'm looking to draw women, is there a guide for that as well?

>>2639618
Im wanting to do comic bookish stuff. all this is way too complicated for me, im not smart t all, is there any material, any useful material that can teach me this stuff in an easy to understand way, im not looking to be the best, just passable.

>>2639641

You should really study anatomy no matter what you're doing if you intend to draw people

I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but it's the truth.

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>>2639295

ITT we draw boxes. Boxes are important.

>>2639641
You don't need to learn anatomy to the same level as a chiropractor or some shit, just have a useful understanding of key muscle groups so you can replicate their appearance in drawing. Also don't doubt yourself, it takes time and the attitude you take towards this is important too.

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>>2639621
But it's comfy here.
Thanks though, I'll try experimenting with sharper brushes.

>>2639670
you're way too good get out GET OUT

>>2639441
How old is this person suppose to be?

Eyes and mouth are flat. Arms need to be less wobbly, strong line work and drawing cross sections of the arm will help you grasp volume

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>>2639659
Nailed it.

>>2639641
Just draw. You dont have to study shit (reading wise anyways) but you have to shit ton from references and real life. It sucks at first but it becomes more fun when you get better.

>>2639670
Stagnation isnt worth the affirmation

>>2639661
>>2639652
>>2639684
Who would be easiest to start with then for anatomy? i want to start drawing something even if its basic or shit. I need to overcome this godawful mental block ive developed.

>>2639702
The structure of man by riven phoenix.

>>2639704
k

>>2639712
Are you just saying "K" or do you understand where to go from here?

I can't draw a realistic human face no matter what I try is this a sign to give up since I won't be able to make it?

>>2639717
Yup

>>2639717
Maybe you were meant to draw things that aren't human? You don't have to draw humans.

>>2639713
holy fucking shit. someone willing to give direction.
the first one.
can i have the torrent please? also has anyone got any good pdfs for animal drawing? i want to have two things to switch between in case i get wound up with one, or the other.

>>2639748
here you go

http://www.vitorrents.tv/torrent/33075a93eafe68042a6030a77a90841c371f4858

>>2639636
The classic definition of "man" in a broad sense is just the human race.

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hey can anyone tell me how to know where is the floor and shit?

>>2639839
whoever u want it 2 b bb.

Or define your perspective and shit with vanishing point(s) and horizon and determine the location from there, if you want consistency.

>>2639839
horizon line

if that's not enough for you you could just make a room as in you draw three lines like the inside of a cube or a Y that's on it's head

any tips on how to get better at anatomy? besides training everyday

Any good resources for learning how to draw hands, reference photos etc?

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>>2639855
pic related

>>2639862
Andrew Loomis - Drawing the head and hands

>>2639682
Wow. Uh, start from the very beginning.

>>2639839
learn to draw 3D shapes on their own before you try stuff in perspective, you can't even draw a straight line rn without chicken scratching

>>2639881
I am, I just did it in two minutes for the lulz and because I had a pencil in my hand.

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Finally done,

Opinion?

>>2639839
It would benefit you so much at your level to use pencil/paper.

Has anyone had a loom through ken hulgren- the art of animal drawing?
Whats the best way to apply the knowledge here? should i try simplifying the shapes of some animals?

>>2639882
well i can draw without chicken scratiching in paper haha

>>2639915
yeah im training hard on paper but thanks for the feedback

http://drawabox.com/article/ink
>"Digital media breeds impatience and a lack of respect for your work."

>I've been practicing on digital for the past two years, no fucking wonder I feel like I'm not progressing fast enough

Time to start over.

>>2639769
big ups my dude

>>2639930
Uh no, anon. That's just on you. Typical beginner mistake. If you're practicing two years without much improvement. You're probably going to do it wrong again even on traditional.

>>2639909
>Finally done
With living I hope.

>>2639839
What is with your screen? Are you drawing on a screen tablet or something?

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Haven't posted here in a while, been lazy with studying my anatomy, bleh.

Is there anything specific I should concentrate on (besides hands)? I'm trying to think of what to focus on next for my sketching.

>>2639971
i want to be able to draw like this one day

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>>2639975
Get to it!

This was my stuff at the beginning of summer. And I've been super lazy (drawing figures 2-3 hours once or twice a week), I'd actually consider my progress under average compared to people who are super motivated and draw hardcore.

Learn stuff little by little, I've had a much easier time focusing on specific areas. If all you do is learn proportions, your construction will look like shit, but then once you get to construction you won't have to worry about proportions, and so on. Your skill builds in layers, and that's why it's so daunting at first when you don't have anything.

>>2639994
I'm trying to focus on learning how to Loomis heads right now.

I'm not sure if I should learn to loomis heads and then move onto loomising bodies like your image and then go back and do details after or just learn to draw really amazing heads straight away and not bother with bodies at all?

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>>2639659
https://gyazo.com/765a191cf13a3ed31c422d67963cff8b

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Hi. First time posting in this board. Please don't mind if I say anything stupid.

I have been thinking about starting painting for some months now, and the idea has not escaped my mind.

I'm genuinely interested in getting a canvas, lots of colours to choose from and different calibers of paint brush to use. And then just let my imagination flow.

I don't want to sound like a snowflake but its part of my philosophy to get it all by myself, no tutorials, books, just let it happen by my own skill and see if I can perfect it on my own.

So in terms of material, money, space, what do I need to know? What do I say when I walk into the store? Does paint stink? What kind of paint will I need? How many canvases is it good to buy at once (considering I live far away from the nearest art shop)? I need material advice in general.

Thanks.

>>2639636
Are you retarded or did the joke go over my head?

>>2640004
The differences between drawing heads and drawing bodies aren't that important on a fundamental level. I would say to work on both as you develop a better understanding of shape. Transferring 3d shapes onto a 2d canvas is the most important skill you'll need, learning the specific shapes which make up a head or a body is secondary.

If you really like to do one in particular there's nothing wrong with that, but make sure not to fall into symbol drawing traps (getting comfortable always drawing something from the same angle, instead of viewing it as a 3d object).

>>2640009
why do you even have to ask?
just use your philosophy answer all those questions (LOL)
walk into dickblick and your destined brush will come to you just like that scene with dat boi harry potter, oh great chosen one ;)

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I did a dumb thing.

>>2640024
>chickenscratching digitally

I recommend you draw traditionally until you improve your line confidence

Good job for having the right idea about deconstructing anatomy though.

>>2639615
How did you get that background to draw on? I've been looking for something like that

>>2640028
i cant remember where i got it, but heres an imgur for it matey. http://imgur.com/a/VQ0yY
>>2640027
Is there an exercise that can help me with that then? wasn't trying to much really with this, never do with practice or rough stuff honestly

>>2640006
PARALLEL
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I'm really struggling with drawing, especially the everything.
I read a lot about Drawabox, is it OK for an extreme beginner?
I also heard about Proko's video, haven't gotten into them because I don't want any negative imprinting, are they worth it?

>>2640048
What do you mean with that?

>>2640068
Make sure the pair of lines on your boxes are parallel. Also draw with your shoulder more.

>>2640070
I draw a lot with my wrists, how bad is that?

And thanks I'll try to draw more with my shoulder, but do you also mean with my upper arms?

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>>2640074
Not the best pic but it gets the point across.

>>2639394
How quickly the tide turns.

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>>2639969

>>2640050
Drawabox starts with a box which is extreme beginner.

>>2640112
That will just confuse him, he should start with 1d objects, and progress through dimensions from there.

You can't grasp the relation of x to y, or y to z before mastering x, and that's not even getting into the x/z connection that so many artists get wrong because they skip a crucial stage in their training.

>>2640136
Actually drawabox starts with lines, then planes before moving on to boxes. So it looks like he agrees with you.

You should ask him to cover the x/z relationship though, so many beginners neglect that, and it really is crucial.

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>>2639295

>>2639659
How many vanishing points are in this image?

>>2640147
11

>>2640169
either the placement of HER right nipple is wrong or boobs dont lay like that at that angle

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Just fiddling around with paint.

>>2639909
Painting ain't sketching champ.

If you squint there are about 4 tones in that picture (practically)

Stick with the 4 tones. No blending, you're mind is not there yet.

Big shapes. Big brush. Erase if you go too big.

>>2640009
Let's see, you need a round brush, flat brush, maybe a large bright brush.

Get some Alizarin Crimson, Ultramarine Blue and Cadmium Yellow Light and big tube of titanium white and small tube of ivory black.

Buy a can of turpentine.

Your first step is to drink that turpentine until your desire to post on this board stops.

>>2640035

You don't need an exercise just leave the fucking pencil on the paper when you're drawing.

>>2640169

Chest has no mass, you need stronger shadows

>>2640078
can i save this?

>>2640276

I'd prefer you didn't mate. Unless you are happy to throw $10 my way?

>>2640294
what are you gonna do about it, bitch?
saving this shit right now homie

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>>2640313
I got you covered

>>2640009
buy a small canvas and a handgun and have someone shoot the gun at the canvas while you hold it in front of your head

>>2639909
Sketch it out first before you start really working on it because then you'd see that you have the angle and most features are completely off. You kinda started painting without really having anything to paint, if that makes any sense. So start more simply next time and draw.what.you.see. You dove into values too early and sprained your ankle trying to run when you're just getting the hang of standing

>>2640009
Just do it, then. Canvas is pretty cheap where I'm from, but if you're far from an art store and you want to stock up, just get white board or even poster board. You don't have to use canvas to paint, especially to learn how to paint. Because I'ma tell you right now: your first paintings will probably really suck and it doesn't matter what you paint them on. What does matter is what you learned while painting.

>>2640276
Save it, it's all yours my friend :)

>>2639909
>3 hours
Bro...

>>2640367
what type of construction are you using

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any thoughts?

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>>2640382
better so?

>>2639424
nothing for this?

>>2639424
really like the ambience created with the palette, in fact the pick of colours really match. You should add more details to the snow, mountains, clouds and so on. On the other hand, the composition says nothing new...is boring and kitsch. I ignore what u try to accomplish with this, but good luck. Polar or similar wallpapers do the job better.

>>2640409
this is awesome!! instant depressing feeling

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>>2639300
Any critiques would be appreciated.

>>2640425
i wish i was that good

my brain can't into creation

>>2640426
stop wishing

start practicing

>>2640428
how does one practice not having an empty brain

>>2640425
Needs some edge variation on the figure. Now it looks like a cut out due to every edge being sharp.

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Not a single critique last thread.
Inks with purples, fleshes, blues, black.

>>2640441
Only take pictures like that if that is the perspective it's meant to be viewed from.

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Top is ~15 mins

bot is 1 min

helpp

>>2640112
>>2640136
I've done plenty of graphs and technical drawing, some 3D, should be good on the 2D part at least.
I'll check it out, thanks.

Got any feedback on Proko's videos?

>>2640441
the colors and drawing look like your typical murrican how to draw manga

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>>2639299
well that was fun

>>2640496
Stop using color.

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>>2639295

Just some random Loomis heads and other exercises. I feel like I'm getting a bit better, especially with drawing with a pen.

i couldn't find any question thread but i guess i could ask it here...
as a beginner is it ok to draw using a mechanical pencil (0,7 mm) or should i use a pencil?

>>2640570
What's the difference?

>>2640518
You want me to work in pure values? That sounds difficult. I suck at color picking between black and white.

>>2640496
this is so symbol drawn that the only thing I can say is that you need loomis

>>2640529
Be careful, the point of these exercises is to place multiple 3d volumes on a ball, what you're doing seems to be hardly considering volumes.

All of your 3/4 chins and jaws are asymmetrical (placed on one side of the ball only), and the features don't match with the center lines you drew in a few of the heads (head 2, 4 and 8 are some good examples of that, look where the line goes at the top of the cranium vs where the center of the hairline would be placed relative to the faces you drew)

>>2640464
I like the gesture and anatomy, what's going on with the proportions? Torso is in general too long (your first torso is like four heads long when bottom of head to crotch should be 3 heads max), and your legs are too short (they should be half the body in length, and a bit longer if any of your poses - like 3 and 2 (?) have any foreshortening).

Your shoulders on 1 are fucked (which you probably know), look for connection points and try to envision your muscles (instead of showing compression it looks like your right deltoid is sliding over the guy's pec.) Also these arms would probably look better if they weren't so limply drawn (the right one is all tiny curves and could use a bigger gesture line, maybe in the forearm), and the left one is just two big curves with not enough definition.)

I love those sketches apart from those flaws, it's nice gesture and not a kind of style I see often on here.

>>2640634
you suck at everything

Hey /beg/gars, my bamboo capture stylus just had a catastrophic failure and has been sent to gulag, does anybody know if a create stylus will work as a replacement?

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loomis method hard to learn

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am i doing this right lol

is figure okay?

Guys im having serious trouble wih drawing people, i cant just draw them y'know? like not even badly.

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>>2640701
shit

>>2640702

Download the structure of man by riven phoenix.

>>2640697
draw bigger it helps

>>2640634
I want you to stop using color or values and go back to the beginning. You're trying to run, but you don't even know how to crawl. You're flopping on the ground like a pretend snake. Check the sticky, and actually follow it. It's there for a reason.

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Did this sketch this morning. Took a bit under an hour ( yeah I'm a slow worker)
What skills should i work on the most to improve sketching from real life?

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Horribly tilted head aside, I have no idea how to convey something that doesn't have noticeable edges on the reference.

Took me around 30 minutes. I guess good thing is that I still have time to start over.

Should I draw more boxes or should I draw more from still life, just give me a (you) or something

>>2640636
they don't need loomis yet because Loomis won't help them stop symbol drawing. What will is simply drawing what they see. I'd recommend drawabox before Loomis to absolute beginners. Loomis should come after you can, yknow, make shapes

>>2639624
>I've seen other noobs being recommended to do still lives and basic shapes for starters. Should I do that or keep going with Keys to Drawing?
Finish keys to drawing first, I guess?

Observational drawing is just general practice that's supposed to make you good at placement/proportions and sometimes perspective, you'll have to do it any case.

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It's nice to make something that isn't porn once in a while. Can you all tell me what works and what can I improve on before it's too far gone?

>>2640570
Whatever floats your boat. I use mechanical because I can't be arsed to sharpen pencils.

>>2640837
Remove the testicles of his lower lip.

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>>2640857

>>2640657
Thanks bruv

What does the sticky mean by "liberal tier pseudo science" when refering to drawing on the right side of the brain?

>>2640939
The author doesn't get to the point. She keeps on rambling about neuroscience, which she doesn't know a whole lot about. The exercises are pretty good though.

>>2640907
>turns off internet while arting
Wew

>>2640950
Should I skip it and just read keys to drawing?

>>2640939
>>2640950
>>2640959
The point is that you're supposed to do the exercises only.

It mentions that in the old sticky, I don't know why they haven't mentioned it here.

>>2640689
Then try Hampton's his stuff helped me more then Loomis' tbqhwyfam

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draw this

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>>2639909
>>2640230
>>2640346

Second try..
Started with the sketch first, and then the value

Opinion ?

>>2641069
Watch that Sycra video where he goes on about planes in the face.

For example her cheekbone is like one flat plane in your pic. But it's like a ball underneath her skin so there should be alot more different planes with differen hues visible.

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>>2640775
Sorry bout the rotated image

>>2641022
perfect, you´re in the way!

>>2640907
Why is all of his hair different colors

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Yesterday I realized, "holy fuck I need to practice construction."
So here we are.

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>>2641122
ref used

>>2641122
>>2641123
damn, nice!

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>>2641122
not bad, only minor gripe i have is the fairly consistent lineweight throughout the contour, lines facing light can be lighter and lines in shadow can be darker (lost/found). Also most of the lines are like the same size, sometimes alternating can be helpful with detail on some parts of the body (or maybe that's just me)

>>2641122
You're not supposed to ignore the structure you put down.

>>2641140
Thanks for the advice!! I'll try focusing more on line weight next time around.

>>2641151
Mind explaining? I thought I was following it but I'm also new to this.

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hi!!!
This is first thing like this I've ever done, I referenced the pose on some picture from this thread. What should I work on or do?
I thought of arm being slightly too big, reduce lineart size and make shades more consistent, but hey I'm just a beginner.
Sorry, thanks!

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>>2641085
Part of his official design.

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>>2639305
What am I doing wrong

>>2641202
Everything.

>2919x3892
You didn't even read the OP, let alone the sticky.

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>>2639302

>>2641171
Practice doing long lines instead of several short ones. Also work on construction before anything else.

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>>2641266
>>2639302

Alright, I'm done polishing my dook.

>>2641337
i didnt know it was possible to chickenscratch colors

>>2641344
I didn't know grayscale was colors

>>2641348
You know what he means. Anyway, to the original artist, try enabling opacity variation, it'll pull you away from all the scratching and you can actually rely on your hand to nail the values.

>>2641337
This isn't MS Paint. There are features in PS.

>>2641354
Thank you so much, I had no idea this was even a thing.

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>>2640697
>>2640719
third day of studying these, thoughts anons?

>>2641379
Keep at it.

>>2641380
I'll do that anon

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>>2641379
Oi, listen you little bellend. Just because I replied to you giving some advice doesn't mean you get to just reply to my posts any time you want like you're my friend of something. You have to earn the privilege, it's not something you get for free.

>>2641388
>tfw you'll never catch Senpai's attention

>>2641388
We are friends now.

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>>2639295
Is there any improvement at all?

>>2639295
I can't render for shit. Anybody have tips/tutorials/videos/whateverthefuck on the subject

>>2641446
Digital or traditional

>>2641451
traditional

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After drawing the body, how do I make clothing look not skin tight? I used a reference for the pose but the actual person I'm trying to draw is totally separate.

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>>2641482
character/clothing reference

>>2641482
>>2599841

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>>2640651

Thanks for the advice. Most of the time I'm just experimenting with what works and what doesn't (putting down 2d shapes and seeing whether I can make something that looks broadly right).

>>2641482
clothing is the least of your worries

>spend over 2 hours on drawing an image in this thread
>it comes out looking shit anyways
>just want to relax and draw, but can't even do that because suck too much to draw what I'm thinking
JUST

I don't know whether or not to keep studying. I'm almost at a lost with it sometimes. Just want to get figures out.

>>2641538
Do you want to make it? Keep at it

Are you a failure? Drop it

It is quite literally this easy. People mistake the drive of making it with the idea of making it.

>>2641388
Notice me, Senpai.

is it worth it to do gouache still lifes if everything ihave is fucking grey and black

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>>2641489
Make sure your axis sits in your grid

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Im pretty overwhelmed. Im a young "artist" who really cant draw worth a fuck without a reference and even with reference my art is mediocre at best.
http://imgur.com/a/NMKPw
http://imgur.com/a/CQsbW
My life's goal is to create web comics and tell my little stories you know? but the switch to digital art has been the biggest dick inside my asshole for the past year. I literally cant do it as hard as I try. I feel like im running out of time and I just want to kill myself.

>>2641831
>feel like im running out of time
why

there are people around the age of 30 that are just starting

chill out

>>2641831
don't get discouraged, just do a bunch of photo studies of faces. think of your forms as well cause its looking pretty flat.

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>>2639299
had a go and it looks awful. the proportions looks off

Anyone here made good or bad experiences with HUION tablets? I'm tempted because the WH1409 is even bigger than the Wacom Pro Intuos PTH-651 and barely costs half as much.

>>2641861
bought the tiny h420 for my brother and it works fine.

tip: you need to install the drivers before you plug the tablet in, cause it won't work properly from what I heard

>>2641831
>but the switch to digital art has been the biggest dick inside my asshole for the past year.
Maybe minimize drawing on paper, and maximze drawing digital. (But have in mind, that I'm not best one to write advices, s my advice can be not best).

>>2641848
>>2641850
ill try to keep this stuff in mind, thank you
>>2641870
I don't really have a reliable drawing program yet but ill definitely do that once I do thanks

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Remember, there's no outline on a person

>>2641904
>tfw can't render yet and can only draw lines
And I suck at that too

Is tackling architecture too much for a beginner?

Has anyone got any simple tutorials for how to understand fur? anything involving its simplification would help too

>>2641913
http://drawabox.com/lesson/texture
Go to other resources
All good.

>>2641917
Thanks dood.

>>2641917
So what, just follow the animals form then? okay is there a pattern i should adhere to? im trying to draw a wolf and fuck me i m retarded

>>2641936
http://drawabox.com/lesson/5
There's a wolf done here if you want to see.

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>>2639306
I need to work on my hair

>>2641859
typical case of symbol drawing, it will probably do you good to learn how to construct the head in 3d. The dude's head is pretty angular and blocky so it should be easy

>>2641939
You drew her face asymmetrical, dude. Her head is tilted but eyes are on the same level.

WHY DON'T YOU FUCKS READ THE STICKY BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS WHAT THE FUCK

ARE YOU ALL THIS ILLITERATE

>>2641949
I want you to notice me.

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>>2641949

>>2641949
They don't want to put effort into it. This will translate into their work and they'll drop it sooner or later. Gotta let things rinse out once in a while and you'll get a gem.

>>2641955
>Gotta let things rinse out once in a while
What

>>2641484
oh that's neato, thanks

>>2641955
Well, it doesn't fucking help when people keep enabling these retards by answering them

>>2639295
Can someone explain in what order are these layers used?
I think this might be something good/useful, but I can't make sense of it.
>normal layers under each other which would make covered
wat?

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>>2641986
forgot pic

>>2641848

That's technically me. Not that anon. Just another one.

Honestly, starting late will make you feel like complete shit. If anyone is thinking of starting for real and you're even remotely young, you should. I'm 32 and it feels like my whole life is over.

>>2641881
You are a strange guy
for some reason your understanding of form is above your line skill level, you are almost chicken scratching
Overall you are not a lost cause

I think people don't realize that you can advance a lot, and I mean A LOT in just one year. After a certain point it just becomes a grind with large diminishing returns and study of composition/design so that your work keeps looking interesting.

Like believe me, if you go on some traditional art classes or just go cover to cover for some books and work hard on it for a year you will jump straight from the level you are to what you should be. You are on the hatching stage where if you just take the time to take in fundamentals you will evolve, but after that it becomes diminishing returns.

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>>2641848
>>2642008
I just turned 20 and this is my "level"
How lost am I?

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Wait does drawing on paper translate over to drawing on digital?

I thought it would.

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>>2642029
Better than mine.
I started late, and got interrupted and started again.
I did this last night.

>>2642042
Can you put on a trip so I can filter you?

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Can somebody look at this pose and tell me if everything's okay with it? The center of mass has been bugging me but I'm not too sure what I should be doing with it, or the legs.

>>2642042
You actually can paint, and be more confident in your work, instead of bitching how it is difficult to work.

>>2642084
people who complain instead of actually drawing won't make it

just let him be

>>2642088
>>2642084
I don't actually have a tablet or anything yet, I was just asking.

>>2642084
>>2642088
I feel like something's off with this pose, and since I obviously don't have the knowledge to figure out what and fix it (else I'd already have), I thought it would be a good idea to come here and ask for help. Is there anything so wrong with that?

Seems to me like you're the ones bitching that I posted asking for simple advice.

>>2642042
NOTICE
ME
ALREADY
YOU AVATARFAGGING PLEB

>>2642113
dafuq, my autistic brain somehow thought these were a reply to >>2642081
just ignore this

>>2642042
I love you

>>2641947
Looks like I need to brush up on construction, thanks man

>>2641122
Legs need to be longer and the bottom of her right hip should not be as pronounced as it is in your drawing

Any good resources for drawing apes? ken's book doesn't cover stuff as much i thought it would.

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Should I bother going through Keys to Drawing after Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain??

>>2641421
Ehh, you're dividing the body into circles for construction and defining muscle more, but your heads are still too small

>>2642170
Can you draw a circle, a straightline and a box?

No? Go do Drawabox exercises

>>2641989
Yeah these are sadly not in order. My guess would be something like:

-Base color
-Patterns
-Subsurface scattering
-Bumps overlay
-Shadows
-Ambient light
-Rim light/specular

When using these techniques you wanna start with your base color, then build your light and shadow onto it. The artist here has divided the base colors into several layers (the skin patterns) to better organize the skin patterns, which honestly isn't a bad idea.

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some studies + some doodle shit
the first study didn't show the model's hand
i know i fucked up the second one's hand though

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thoughts?

>>2642209
Read the thread OP before you post it in.

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>>2642209
I feel like your realistic faces are badly in need of underlying construction. What you have is a decent head shape with some decent but unrelated features. I'm guessing this is because you're used to draw in a cartoony style.

Study the planes of the head. Sketch them for construction as much as you need, and as you commit them to memory and build up habit you'll gradually be able to "see" and freehand realistic facial features better.

>>2642219
You didn't try to envision the muzzle as a three-dimensional shape. Try sketching it as a cylinder while paying close attention to the top and bottom planes (respectively your connection to the face, and plane the snout rests on) and your wolves' faces will stop looking fucked.

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>>2642226
what about my wolf senpai?

>>2642229
Proportions look okay. Now draw it into interesting poses and spend less time worrying about fur outlines and more time worrying about muscles.

>>2642242
Can i keep the muscles simple?

>>2641831
There's no "too late to learn." That's a shitty excuse for not trying to learn and resigning yourself to bullshit. Make time every day to do something and learn from it. It's not about the total time you put into something, it's about what you've learned while doing it. So pick up shit fast and keep learning, don't make excuses for yourself and do it or don't.

>>2641831
Also your work is pretty decent. If you have a story to tell, get to your webcomic and hop to it. Light a fire under your ass and tell us your story

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>>2642226

Yeah I agree, totally didn't think 3 dimensional with the muzzle.

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eh how am I doing

>>2642258
Missing the left side of the face. I know it's barely visible with that viewing angle, but you need to keep in mind that it's there. Hint at it by defining better some of the easy center planes of the head (fulcrum, middle of the chin) which you can see in your ref. And you're missing a little bit of volume from the left side on your lips and chin.

>>2640484
I took woodshop in highschool and learned some basic 2D drafting. Now, I started Drawabox a few days ago and the freehand boxes are kicking my ass. I underestimated simple shapes and pen control.

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>>2639295
ballpoint pen

pretty much at the beginning of drawing comics , i learn best by doing.

currently trying out different compositions for pages, this is one of my later tries.

my phone camera is shit and cant resize anything on it

>>2642225
thank you for the advice anon! i'll get to that

How far should I go with Drawabox lessons before going onto the things in the sticky and drawing from references?

>>2642333
do every drawabox lesson

then when you're done redo it 40-50 times

only then you can grace the sticky

>>2642333
I'm doing it now too and man is it frustrating and hard. I'm gonna go with the whole thing, but I'm also curious as to what people here think.

>>2642329
refine lines

do you trace in pencil beforehand?

>>2641939
I'd say bone up on the eyesockets, the eyeballs are just little spheres inside them with eyelids stretched over them

>>2639346
I'm also STEM who also did some basic drafting in highschool. Even the basic lessons from drawabox that I recently started are kicking my ass. However, I'm noticing some improvement in hand control.
They are dry, structured, and tedious exercises. If you want a hobby mainly for fun then focus on having fun first. If you want a hobby to use up your time while honing a skill then these might be for you.

>>2642333
Draw-a-box is a good set of exercises on drawing boxes, rounded boxes, groups of boxes that look like things and humans even but it doesn't teach you shit

Sticky contains important theory, but starter-tier theory is actually relatively easy and what draw-a-box asks you to practice is not. You should be good at both to draw from imagination.

Drawing from references/real life is another type of exercises, ideally something you should be doing every day, it teaches you to get angles and proportions right since you have a real life as a "master copy"

In which order is up to you, although it's probably important to read on how to draw from real life if you suffer from symbolic drawing

Could I post my draw a box 'homework' here for people to mark do u think?

>>2642381
I'd like to know this too. Wouldn't mind doing this myself.

>>2642363
this one was ballpoint pen only.

i am trying to train my sense for composition before trying to draw something seriously thou, so i dont give much effort into clean drawings right now, it wont be worth the time at the moment

>>2642388
>>2642388
>>2642388

NEW THREAD

>>2642388
>>2642388
>>2642388

>>2641482
>>2641499

He's right you know.
Your lines are horrible, and your drawing feels flat. You need to go check out draw-a-box.

>>2642381
I like marking people's work. Helps me reflect on my own. So, sure go ahead I say

>>2639378
You can go on to bigger things now, leave knowing you are no longer just a beginner.