/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

Now all that's left is to train the ants in my garden to use pen and paper.

>>2636578
i just grab randoms dude T_T

>>2636556
Reposting for advice

>>2636591
Look up baby deer
Observe their posture

Now make it a dragon

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>>2636575
bump + wip

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>>2636580
It's alright man.
I'll just take the liberty to post something a bit... bigger.

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>>2636614

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I'm really tired and got a headache, I'll finish this tomorrow.

If she looks ugly, well, she actually is ugly.

I'm pretty satisfied with my work, especially since this is just my 5th drawing and it feels a lot better than the 4th.

To you it might be noob shit... but it is the noob shit I made and that makes me happy!

Goodnight, happy drawing to you all!

SuGo

>>2636637
Took me a while to realize, until I looked at it differently.
I like it.

How many times should I do the Keys to Drawing exercises?

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well see how this goes

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Practicing coloring using another anon's line work from the tower princess thread.I'll pick it back up tomorrow. Help appreciated.

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Any advice?

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opinions?

>>2636751
You should be working on your fundamentals instead of stupid shit like this.

You're doing yourself no favors, and if you want to get better, you'll find out the hard way in wasted years.

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I've totally stopped drawing photographs. They're really not worth a shit in comparison to drawing from life. I did all of these poses myself. That's why there aren't that many figures.

I'm having a bit of a shock transferring from digital to traditional, and compounding matters I have never put an organic body into 3D before so it's hard to find the basic forms. I'll probably get better with experience.

So any way how are these figure drawings?
I went back and re-watched my limited collection of Steve Huston videos and tried applying what I saw.

>>2636769
Why is drawing yourself from life better than drawing professional models from photos? Stop being silly.

>>2636650
no need to sign your posts

>>2636751
What's the point of this?

>>2636776
I can easily and accurately see basic forms and how they interact in comparison to a totally flat photograph (a major deal in gesture)

You can feel the pressure and weight yourself.

You sharpen your form skills just by drawing from life.

There are so many reasons. If pictures were completely adequate, figure drawing classes wouldn't exist. I will always choose drawing myself in a mirror over drawing pictures.

>>2636776
Also, if you wanted more information you could have just asked.

I'm sorry about this someone told me to post it in the beginner thread

>>2636799
it would help if you posted it

>>2636769
I'm back again

I'm trying to apply what I've learned from my life sessions to imagination drawing, and I'm starting to understand the lessons even better. I know what I'm really looking for when I do do a study.

Steve Huston is a great teacher.
If you're having problems with gesture and understanding it, I recommend loading up his videos and then drawing from life.

Mine are bad right now, but I know what I'm ultimately looking for. That's a big deal when it comes to getting better.

>>2636769
is this a meme?

at your skill level it doesnt matter if you draw from real life or a photograph, unless you're made of noodles your sketches are terrible and fail to capture the gesture/figure

>>2636817
i did, i'm the one that posted the crybaby drawing

>>2636821
Also download this torrent

http://uptotraffic.com/torrents/new-masters-academy-exploring-gesture-and-structure-sum1-here-ti6532148.html

>>2636826
your drawing is stupid and you should feel bad

if you're trying to make something with actual artistic merit then read the OP

if not then get the fuck out

>>2636825
That's actually a good thing for me that you said they look like noodles.

Steve Huston said that's the proper way to fuck up.

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>>2636570
shit i was too late,reposting
face form is fucked
nose and eyes in particular
lost some of the heads tilt.
Did i miss anything guys?
pls crit me

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These are my first two drawings - I put 40 minutes into the first and 20 into the second. I'm following Dodson's Keys to Drawing (this is the first project, I was too lazy to get up and draw my feet lmao).

What are your thoughts? Should I do more until they start actually looking good? When do you recommend moving on to the next projects/reading further?

>>2636854
you should move on because you need to understand basic things in order to fundamentally improve your drawing

otherwise you'll just be polishing a turd or become yoshikage kira and only know how to draw hands

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Burn me to the fucking ground.

>>2636887
There's nothing to burn.
There's an empty spot where the wood should be.

You have no foundation to be drawing people on. You need to do draw a box, and you need to de-construct objects from life.

>>2636598
Holy shit that is really useful

but to be honest i thought mine looked bad mainly because of the colors I used. it looks like plastic, not a dragon, and I don't know how to fix that

That said if the pose is so bad I'll change it

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Sorry for the big image, but I just wanted to display a survey of my current level of ability. What most needs work? I'm pretty terrible at anatomy, among a lot of other things. I'm currently going through Michael Hampton's book, so we'll see how that goes. HELP

>>2636740
take better photos

I'm curious, how often does /beg/ check /ic/? I only found this forum a couple weeks ago, yet I find myself posting a couple times a day and checking the site every few hours..

>>2636926
>he actually posted it in the corresponding thread
the absolute madman

>>2636887
It looks like you're trying to construct anatomy the right way, but your proportions are still pretty bad. In a lot of these sketches the limbs are either too thick or too short.

>>2636941
Madman here. What?

>>2636852
Not 100% of people in the world follow perfect proportions.

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Some drawing I did over the night. Decided to try to start actually studying anatomy. Watched Sycra's on legs and it helped a bit.

Any insight?

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>>2636946

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Been a long time since I drew lines and layer ink.

>>2637097
not going to make it if you're at this level and you do anime

chicken scratch

>>2637109
I don't see why I can't be messy during the beginning stages. I don't want to spend time making neat lines on something like this.

>>2637112
It's not about making "neat" or "refined" lines. It's about having confidence in the strokes that you make.

How many hours a day do you guys draw?

What are your goals?

I'm 23, and I always wanted to be a professional, but due to a hard life growing up, I pretty much have been working full time/school full time since I was 16. I had no time to improve. I'm just worried I'm too old to make it.

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Hey /ic/ beginners.
How about you join us on >>>/qst/465398
and test your beginner skills?
Think out of the box with creature design.
Just grab paint or other programms and let the crazy creatures coming.

>>2636926
First of, I don't think I'm better than you right now, but judging from your work, I think there isn't really something that's really lagging behind. But if I were you I would work on your rendering. Center-left has great values but not as great rendering, while bottom-center has clean rendering but I think the values could be pushed further.

Again I don't really think I'm better than you so you should decide if it helps

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Am i doing this correctly? I gave myself two minutes for each figure

Isnt like the best way to improve at something is to do it badly. im learning bodies and want to draw something instead of just boxes and anatomy all the while.

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I tried drawing something after goofing off for a long time I think it went pretty well. does anyone have some advice for me?

>>2637151
I think you need to go back to anatomy/construction before putting so much time into figure; some are pretty wonky (particularly in the arms, waist and breasts). Capturing the feeling kinda alright tho, good start anon.

>>2636778
Why not? At least I can find them without scrolling aimlessly.

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I'm 19 years old and one of my dreams is to be a concept artist. The problem is I have very little experience drawing. I used to draw all the time when I was younger but I kinda stopped when I entered middle school. Is this even feasible? Would it be worth it to major in art so I could at least live off of student loans and get a lot of experience?

>>2637185
this really interesting do u have anymore?

>>2637214
not really I waven't drawn in a while

>>2637212
no its impossible might as well kill yourself now so you can reroll your life

>>2637212
nope

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>>2636572

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>>2637214
nevermind here you go

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>>2636576

>>2636755
You can do both fundamentals and imaginary/fun work. It's not either or.

>>2637244
You have style but not proportion down. The dark shadow on his nose messes with where the bottom of the nose should be. The eyes are too small, the lips should be wider, and the ears are too short and also asymmetrical

>>2637228
Pretty nice rendering, just clean up that linework and check her right arm and her left foot. her right shin also looks really unnatural

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>>2636576
heres mine.

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Tablet noob here, I don't exactly know where I'm supposed to start... Any tips? First thing I tried was this sphere.

Any good books on learning to draw fighting and motion?

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How did everyone else do with this exercise?

>>2637423
With much difficulty. I couldn't really parse how to tackle it. I was trying to give it the innards of a fruit that dripped like hot cheese and the horns and scales of an angler fish. I really didn't understand how to do it, to be honest.

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Drew a Bionicle drom imagination, what specific parts are bad?

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>>2636576

>>2636926
holy shit i think i know you irl.
you in texas by any chance? if not then forget I said anything.

anyways, stop using black and white to shade, it makes everything look like plastic.

>>2636740
Use a wider range of values.
>>2636854
>Should I do more until they start actually looking good? Yes, but more importantly, you need to do them at a much faster rate, but that should come with practice. As far as sketching, I think you can be more dynamic with your lines which in turn will give your drawings a more confident look
>>2636926
You're imagination outweighs your skill. Those landscapes should be exciting settings. Try pushing depth and detail. I think if you can marry live references and your imagination you will be successful.
>>2637475
Just about everything, but mostly the execution try to focus in layers. Composition - where do you want things on the page ; am i taking perspective into account?, gesture - how is the figure posed what action lines do i want? Form - start putting in the simplest shapes and work your way up to the details. etc.. It looks like you just had an idea and scribbled it out.

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>>2636576
Spent a long time on the mouth, it still looks off for some reason. Crit?

>>2637428
Mine wasn't perfect but I took a while to try and simplify the texture and also created shapes to "hang" the textures off. It wasn't perfect but I think i got the general idea of the exercise.

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Started the drawabox exercises...

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>>2637548
... and drawing the Loomis figures for the first time. I feel like my muscle control is totally atrocious, any tips other than grinding out exercises until I'm more confident in my lines?

>>2636778
Hey,

Fuck You

Sincerely,

SuGo

>>2637553
Now that's a valid reason not to sign my posts.

Still, I'd like to have that attitude without feeling the need to explain my reasons to everyone.

Sincerely,

SuGo

>>2637551
Your chicken scratching actually isn't that bad. Pay more attention to proportions between the lines you're drawing. I think you drew the upper arms too thinly in your first figure, and the waist is also too thick.

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I just read a couple tutorials on anatomy and looked at some reference pics. I just barely started to practice drawing.

Also, how do you guys motivate yourself to practice every day? This is my first week of drawing, and I've been practicing every other day for only an hour or so before I lose interest.

>>2637581
thanks. I'm trying really hard not to chicken scratch, I am redrawing lines a lot but I'm trying to draw the entire line every time. I can tell that the proportions are a bit off, I found it really hard to figure out where to place the lines based on his figures while also making it symmetric.

>>2637582
I also started exactly a week ago, I usually lose interest in stuff pretty quickly and can't cope with the whole "study" thing.
So I'm following Loomis's advice:
"If your work is to give you joy and the thrill of accomplishment, I urge you to aim at the advancement of your own ability."

Making a drawing and seeing that it comes out better than the previous one motivates me A LOT, I really doubted I could find this relaxing and rewarding.
I wish I started earlier.

I guess you have to lay down your goal, what do you seek from drawing?

>>2637597
I guess the urge to start drawing comes from a percieved lack of talent? I don't look at myself as someone who is interesting or talented, but I loved drawing as a child. So I decided to try learning at least how to make something decent. But now that I think about it, that means I'm trying to draw in order to give me joy, rather than advancing my craft.

>>2637563
Please stop impersonating me.

SuGo

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>>2637603
>talent

oh boy here we go

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>>2637511
Nah, I live in the armpit of California.

>>2637597
>>2636570
Also, I do get very motivated when I make a sketch that I think is an improvement over the last one, but then I fall victim to one of two mindsets:

1. "This is really good, might as well retire for the day."
2. "This is really good, I can do another one. Oh wait no this is shittier, should have quit while I was ahead"

>>2637611
I don't understand, is talent a buzzword/meme here?

>>2637615
Nobody came out of their mother's gates with the ability to paint like Ruan Jia. Yes, some people can pick up on learning concepts quicker than other people, but most of the time it's about how much effort you put in. You half-ass it, you get half-assed results. Anyone's who's ever made it has worked hard.

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God damn I keep fucking up the poses.

>>2637617
I know, I understand that already. Harder said than done, but I'm trying. What I meant by "a lack of talent" was that in general, I have never put effort into anything my whole life, so I feel like I don't have a skill, a "talent" that I can be proud of. Which is why I'm trying my hand at drawing, so I can build a skill and show myself that I'm not completely useless as a human being.

>>2637620
Start off with a pretty rough sketch first senpai, use your pencil to measure angles and if you want to be really fancy use actual proper construction.

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Faaark, I fell off the wagon and didn't draw for a week... time management is hard guys

>>2637533
Not a fan of the way the background interferes with the face, and the transparency of the back of the head, but the mouth looks fine to me - i mean, it's an odd ref. That loose, sketchy painting style you've got going there is definitely appealing!

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Height size is supposed to be 7 heads tall, but if I increase it more it ends up looking weird

Is 5 head sizes enough if the proportions look semi-correct?

>>2637605
This is getting out of hand, I'm me, not you!

SuGo

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>>2637652
Stop pretending to be me, cunt.

t.SuGo

>>2637620
Looks good enough

SuGo

>>2637603
>>2637614
I hated drawing actually, I've always sucked at art-related stuff in school and never enjoyed it, I mocked and disregarded it.
A week ago I made an objectively crappy drawing of a face after an emotional breakdown (inb4 faggot), and I was impressed with the result not being a wobbly stickman like it's always been for 23 years.

My motivation level starts high when I'm looking for refs and inspiration, and when I sketch the major features, then it slowly drops to a "I should spend time soldering LEDs instead of being a failure here" when I first add some details, and then it rises once I get the feeling it's coming out good, and booms into excitement as I see my shitty hand creating something.

As you said, if you're drawing for joy you should settle for what pleases yourself without forcing to strive for perfection.
Everything I do with method, study, and objectives becomes a burden and I end up abandoning it.
This time I won't let it happen, so I'll just enjoy the process and the result, it's relaxing and rewarding.

It applies to everything I do, I wanted to learn how to solder properly, there were tutorials, electronics books, exercises, and all sorts of shit that feels like a school.
So I just grabbed a soldering iron and made some circuits, steadily becoming better at it and now I converted it into a homemade paying job. LED strips rock.

Don't force yourself to finish something though, keep it relaxing or it becomes a burden, to me at least. Just be excited that tomorrow you'll have something to draw and fix.
I'm making my 5th drawing right now and I'm damn excited about how it's coming out, I really couldn't believe I would be able to make it. Will post when it's done, probably soon enough.

SuGo

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>>2636575

Critique?

>>2637677
Disregard everything I just said, I suck cocks

SuGo

>>2637677
The thing is, I'm a very lazy person who doesn't want to put effort into anything. So I feel like the motivation I need for drawing is to set objectives for myself, or else I'm just going to lose interest in drawing whatever makes me happy. I do want joy out of drawing something, but I don't think I can keep up my motivation if I'm not constantly striving towards an objective.

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>>2636576
I know I messed up on the jaw but can anyone point out exactly how?

>>2637695
I'm as lazy as one could get, plus I'm disabled, so I might be laziness personified.

Setting objectives has never worked for me, as it becomes a plan, a study, a serious thing which requires effort.
Now I just said "fuck it" and I'm doing it as I please.
That is, no effort whatsoever, I draw when I feel like I want to.
Sometimes I look around and project in my mind what I see, for example a shadow on a face in TV, and I look forward to that simple detail addition with excitement.

I am drawing right now, meaning I'm watching videos with paper in front of me, until I want to grab the pencil and even only add a line or a shadow then get back to wasting time.

From my point of view and experience when doing stuff, if I set no objective and just enjoy something I will eventually make it.

>>2637694
Only if they are black.

SuGo

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I have found the secret to perfect circles.

>use your entire shoulder rather than just your wrist
>make as close to a circle as possible doing that
>rub out whatever wonks you made and make it more circular
No tips for ovals yet though. I'll keep you posted.

>>2637718
10-4, STAY SAFE

>>2637718
Thank captain fucking obvious it's not like that's common fucking knowledge or anything

>>2637722
It isn't for beginners you pompous little faggot

>>2637723
>implying it isn't
I'm quite sure even Loomis tells you to use your shoulder to draw circles you little faggot

>>2637718
>No tips for ovals yet though. I'll keep you posted.

Please do, this shit is important. Where can i sign up to your newsletter? Are you close to a breakthrough?

>>2637722
whoa chill mate

fuck

>>2637641
Eyy you're back, no chikorita this time?
The guy's ear looks kind of weird, but I really like everything you've got there.

Thanks for the crit, I don't usually start with a colored background so I'll just keep filling in the transparent spots. What do you think about keeping the collar partly transparent to contrast with the rest of the face?

>>2637643
I mean if you're going to draw in a cartoony style it looks fine

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>>2637677
>>2637695
I guess I'm done, I feel satisfied with my work and it's much better than the 4th.

Good night and happy drawing!

SuGo

Hey guys, are there any pointers to drawing nice lineart on a tablet?
It's making me depressed whenever I try to draw something.

>>2637696
i believe your first problem was not rotating and resizing

>>2637097
Couple of these were pretty decent, the rest nearly looked done by someone else. Slow down and really draw the correct proportions

>>2637133
I'm a hobbyist with delusions of a potential artistic future, but I only really put in about an hour a day with a full-time job and the like at 27.

The amount of time you put into it doesn't matter so much as what you take away from your work every time you draw. Quick learners exist and you should be critical of yoruself every time you put that pencil down. Look at it, look at an artist you appreciate and judge yourself, but that's neither here nor there

>>2636926
your values are shit man, try doing moer grasyscale stuff, or at least have a layer to toggle grayscale on and off.

use references for ALL of your stuff.

lastly use perspective.... plop a grid down and make sure everything makes sense

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do i have potential

>>2637133

I started at 23 and I've been grinding it out for over a year. I've gotten a lot better and it was definitely worth it. Just don't half ass it and you'll get good. Practice every single day. Every day, can't emphasize that enough. If you have to, bring a little sketchbook around with you.

If you can manage 2 hours a day, you'll be alright. If you can't, just try to do what you can. Don't worry about how bad you are, or how long it takes to improve, just worry about sticking with it.

>>2637151
Not yet. You'll get there. Gesture drawing is weird in that you don't really get it until you get it. If you're in your first few weeks, those look about par for the course. These look like mine in the first month that I drew.

You're essentially doing too much with them, honestly. Don't think so much and just draw the idea of what you're drawing. Draw the spine, draw the chest, draw the pelvis, then sculpt everything else. You'll get there.

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>>2637915
nobody needs to see the work of someone who isn't trained if they ask "do i have potential"

work hard and you'll make it

>>2637915
as much potential as if you'd never picked up the pencil. Go to drawabox and do those lessons and come back. You'll get to Loomis, but for now learn control of your pencil

>>2637915
We all have potential, but it doesn't matter unless you try hard to tap into it.

>>2637927
i've seen those dynamic sketching exercises on the foundation patreon. when will i be ready for loomis? should i work on perspective and surfaces/forms first?

>>2637915
put 400 hours into drawing and then come back here and ask if you have potential

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>>>2632866
hope this cross post works.

>>2637994
look at that picture in a mirror dude

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>>2637959
>hoping your file got fucked uploading it and you're not trying to pass that shit as art

>>2638019
Have you not been here for the past year?

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Boy at suck at hair/everything else XD

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>draw from reference
>pretty damn ok i'd say, even if my shading is wank

>draw from mind or whatever
>literally Chris-Chan

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Not sure if I want to make his colors a little more human or keep it as is

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>>2638043
Here's another one. i did this one without a reference. I'm truly sorry about the filter.

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>>2636571
I know I'm a beginner and shouldn't talk shit about brushes but I personally find Sai's brushes for painting really hard to use

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>>2638044
literally this

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>>2638044
>>2638052
this is literally me IRL when i draw without a reference

>>2638044
thats because you're copying shapes instead of breaking them down to shapes in perspective.

try drawing an object from reference but at a different angle.

also many good artists use refs all the time so don't feel ashamed

>>2638043
>>2638047
These are actually pretty decent, but you have to watch your symmetry with your eyes. Plan out your face a bit more before you use bolder lines outside of that you seem to be in the right-ish direction

>>2638051
Brushes hard to use or general misdirection about blending?

>>2638086
Thanks a bunch. eye simmetry as well as hair and lips are my current challenges. Something i find kind of discouraging is i can only draw with references right now (the hat girl had none tho). Feels bad trying to draw something from my head and not being able to.

But i know it's a matter of practice and hard work. i'll do my best

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house of deity

>>2638090
Draw from references until you just don't need them any longer. And there's absolutely no shame in that. You will prrroooobably do it for years, honestly. Depends on how quickly you catch on and how well you can imagine things.

But no use in drawing a face from your imagination if you don't know how to draw a face at all. Keep at it, you'll get there

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>>2638111
I think i have talent in art.

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>>2638088
I'm not sure, I think it's the brush settings. They're a bit difficult for me to understand.

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When did you guys draw your mandatory portrait of Vilppu? Mine is really late, sorry.

>>2638131
Yeah I just use variations of the airbrush for rendering. Water makes everything too, well, watery.

>>2638126
That's amazing! I'll take 10.

>>2638133
The glasses and eyes look symbol drawed.

>>2637620
I am going to save this

then crop out your drawing

SuGo

>>2638051
You'll find any brush hard to use at your skill level dude

>>2638051
use a larger brush size when you're blending

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It's always people. Draw something the fuck else.

>>2638144
>drawed

>>2638166
>Why people have different goals than me

>>2637515
You're right, I scribbled it out and tried to polish it with shading, working on Loomis now.

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>>2638168
>Stop offering me more variety.
Have a disappointed freedom flapper.

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>>2638178
contributin

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>>2638178
We postin' animals now?

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did the eye exercise from keys to drawing. overall how did I do with drawing what I saw? also attempted a bit of shading.

while I was using my ruler to measure things out on the bottom section of the left (from my view) eye I noticed that the bottom lid is actually slightly lower than the right lid. for some reason I felt like that was wrong and I kept measuring it over again and it still came out slightly lower. I feel like the fact that I know eyes are symmetrical is what made me feel like it was wrong. What I just described is symbol drawing is isn't it?

>>2638198
Bad.

Look at the eye at the right of the image, notice the eyebrow and how it's not even close in the drawing, just as a super quick example.

>>2638210
i noticed that as soon as I saw the thumbnail, anything else stick out?

>>2638212
You're really just not drawing what is really there. It's still all symbols. Notice on the right side, how the eye seems to make a hook shape medially (by the nose)? Where did you draw the tear ducts?

You need to draw what is there.

>>2638213
thanks for the input! I felt like I was paying more attention to shapes and stuff than usual but I'll just have to keep grinding it out then

>>2638216
No problem dude. You have a good attitude for crits, keep it up and you'll make it.

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this was hard

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>>2638220
oops i cropped my painting kek.

>>2638222
Looks almost decent. Push your values more. Especially the dark/shadow areas. e.g. parts on the mountain.

>>2638228
almost decent? im literally fucking done, are you saying im not?

>>2638231
LMFAO chill bro, I'm not saying it's bad. I just feel like it's a little bit flat.

>>2638231
What the shit? Stop sperging out, thats not what 'almost decent' means LOL. If it looks shit, it doesnt mean youre not finished dude. Its finished whenever you say it is big man.

>>2638233
>>2638234
oops its just that i put like probably almost close to 10 hours and im exhausted with it

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not sure if this is the right thread, but would some kind anon please critique me on composition and anatomy?

>>2638047
Is that Chloe?

>>2638222
Feels like being in Firewatch.
I like it.

>>2637679
biggu eyes

>>2638046
We are even less sure about what you want.

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is using the line tool for perspective cheating

>>2638371
You cheat yourself.

>>2638371
No, keep doing it man, you're gonna make it.

>>2638371
For you - yes. You don't seem to be able to draw straight lines.

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>>2638192
So goddamn cute. I'll contribute another ref.

>>2637762
Hey, thanks! Woah, you're right, I dunno where that ear's going haha.
>>2638046
Eh, I really like the blue but why not fuck around with the colours? It's fun and you can go back to the original in an instant. Good shit either way.

>>2638256
Looks lovely anon, and slightly eerie, liking that use of texture. In my opinion, a little more definition and contrast on the bottom sides of the nose and around the eyes to draw more focus to the facial features wouldn't hurt.

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>>2638222
Check this reference dude

>>2637994
this guy again

Would really appreciate some input on shading. I know cross hatching a little, but I had a hard time keeping the realistic look while shading this. The values always seemed off and the spots around the nose and mouth were very difficult to shade.

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>>2636571
Did this earlier. Looking at it again realize I put almost no effort into lips/ear/hair.

>>2638256
Lighting around her right eye looks strange, I like this though

>>2638415
What is with those lips??

>>2638405
Your rendering skill is way better than your sense of proportion right now. Check the position of his nose and mouth and the distance between them.

>>2638415
Why does he have play-doh on his face instead of lips senpai

>>2638247
I think the legs are too long. The composition looks very closed in to me, maybe you could add more background

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Can someone with more experience please let me know what I'm doing wrong here, and how best to proceed in laying down values? I'm trying to break out of the habit of tracing or overlaying the picture for accuracy...

>>2638404
Weren't you that guy who was whining about the trees being blue when using the colour picker tool?

>>2638425
Stop symbol drawing, see the values and forms. Sculpt with your brush.

>>2638436
Nope.
But now when you said it i also see he's greens look too greenish, giving the cg look. I would also add more yellows to highlightes (from sun) and more blues to shadows (from athmosphere) especially to pines since they naturally kinda bluish.

>>2638439
And yep that photo is a crap, simply copy that would be stupid.

>>2638425
feel the form bruh

>>2638438

Can you please elaborate? I've been following the Proko tutorials to get a better understanding of construction but have no idea how I'm supposed to lay down lines without "symbol drawing".

This is driving me nuts because the images I do are clearly lacking but I just can't figure out why...

>>2638126
Blog?

>>2638126
how much?

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>>2636571

>>2638161
even at my skill level I think the painting would look better overall if I knew how to properly use sai's brushes

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>>2637548
>>2637551
It doesn't look like those exercises are helping you get any more confident with your strokes. I recommend dynamic sketching exercises instead. A good website to start is Drawabox.

>>2637582
You shouldn't be trying to learn anatomy if you aren't fully committed to drawing. Instead, just draw for fun or doodle and decide for yourself if you'd like to improve.

>>2637620
Start with basic forms, then start blocking in levels of detail.

>>2637679
Symbol eyes and I think you can do better.

>>2637696
You tried to bring down the nose with the jaw, remember that head is two main parts and notice how the nose in the photograph scrunches up while the jaw is open.

>>2638247
If she isn't falling or floating her pose is wrong. Legs are a little long. As for composition there doesn't seem to be any interest points at any of the thirds.

>>2638425
First of all the eyes are not accurate. You tilted the head too much. But the main problem is symbol drawing. Don't even darken in the eyes/nose/ear/lines without first "studying" what the form from the picture is doing/ how the light is going to hit it. Then you start from determining what's in light what is not and work your way up with making everything not light a simple tone.

>>2638540
No you're making it harder than it needs to be. Just find one brush you like and focus on fundamentals

>>2638166
I actually want to draw animals. What resources or book would you recommend wise cheetah?

>>2637212
I'm 19 too, and I've been "drawing" since I was 10.

It's easy to learn the fundamentals, and I didn't really start studying until this year.

I'd say start right now. It's not like you're 26 and beginning.

>>2638553
>tfw 25 and just starting on my fundamentals.

Time to just kill myself.

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>>2638561
>tfw 25 and just starting on my fundamentals.
Same. I might not make it but at least i'm having fun.

>>2638562
>fun
Wrong board mate

>>2638562
We're all going to make it. Just gotta grind even harder.

>>2638561
>>2638562
don't give up, at least you realized this is what you want at a relatively young age. It's much better than realizing it during your 50s or beyond.

>>2638553
> tfw 26

>>2638562
Fundamentals are crucial regardless to the state of the industry. Starting now, you can ride the train of whatever new media comes along while having intimate knowledge of the old media; the industry will love that.

>>2636769
this is really bad

>>2637212
dont major in art. major in a safe degree and spend free time grinding art.
its VERYY easy to manage both workloads unless you're doing an absurdly hard degree.

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I spent about an hour on this, should I even bother finishing it?

>>2638607
Start over but don't give up.

>>2638607
that is some serious jicken scratch

>>2638607
There's no gesture in this at all.That leg is a straight line instead of an S.

>>2638607

Pls do drawabox.

Also, please do not chicken scratch.

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am i doing this right lol

>>2638651
Looks like you have tiny fingers.

>>2638663
not my hands anon, does it seem proportionate?

>>2638664
>tiny fingers
>is it proportionate?

>>2638651

Donald Trump?

>>2638672
Hillary Clinton?

>>2638674
firez?

>>2638419
'preciate the insight man. I'll be more thorough when I map the features out.

If it's not too much to ask, could I get a redline of the placement. I keep looking over it, but I'm having a hard time spotting the trouble spot against the reference pic. I know I didn't get his head tilt down somehow, and I think the nose might be slanted the wrong way which I think was due to poor shading.

Do you grip your pencil differently when drawing from the shoulder versus drawing from the wrist?

I find that I grip my pencil more vertically when practicing drawing from the shoulder. Should I be doing that?

>>2638721
a wise man once said "no rules, just tools"

>>2638268
It started being a different girl but i ended up turning her into a chloe. The eyebrows tho. lol

>>2638404
I've always used the Google Earth realistic atmospheric rendering to approximate distance shading and coordinate them with distances in drawings.

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>>2638043
>>2638047
I'm this guy. drew something new. please ignore the hair.

>>2638765
Yeah, kind of like a turkish Chloe lol.
I like the iris and pupil, I make a mess with my eyes.
Still, I just started, so I shouldn't be complaining.

>>2638775
Whoa, I love this.
Now convert the girls into Max and Chloe!

>>2638777
i'll draw LIS fanart when i get better, but thanks bunch!

>>2638784
I started right from LiS out of inspiration, I finished my latest drawing yesterday and it's here, if you want to check it out: >>2636650

I'm looking for a nice ref of Jefferson now, time to start a new one.

If I may just say a thing from my humble point of view, I'd "fill" the head of the girl on the right with a bit more hair.
It looks good, but some places on the back are kinda empty in comparison to the front, it looks like her cranium isn't there eheh.

The first drawing you posted is also really nice.
Do you make constructions lines and stuff to know where to put features?

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>>2638192
These fennec fox things are so fucking cuuuute.

Barely any time to draw today but I do reckon I'm getting more confident about achieving a balance between construction and observation. (pls tear me apart if you feel like it)

>>2638775
Cute, the hair doesn't look half bad ya know. Seconding the other guy, you should draw some pricefield! haha...

>>2638789
Yup, but only to give myself limits. the rest is constructing with pencils. I gotta change the damn paper tho. this one isn't working well.

>>2638804
Looks a bit rough, but overall the result is very appealing.

I'm having a similar problem, my desk surface is rough and when pushing the pencil the "grain" comes out.

By the way, what hardness of pencil do you use to have such a dark shading, e.g. on the scarf and hair?
Everything I make is grayish, I wish I could bring out some blacker tones.

>>2637679
>>2638545

" I think you can do better. "

Thanks for believing in me.

>>2638553
>It's easy to learn the fundamentals
I did "drawing with right side of the brain", "fun with pencil" and draw-a-box 1/2, I know what perspective or construction is but I still can't draw basic 3D shapes right nor I get proportions right so everything I do looks like shit.

I'm not exactly giving up but this is so frustrating and I can't imagine how hard to learn what is "hard to learn" then.

what's that thing called when you draw lines but not whats there or something

>>2638844
Symbolic drawing

>>2636617
this is a great reference for pose and the legs are so defined, great stuff... thanks anon!

>>2638795
I like this. You could stand to push your lineweight just a little bit more but I can definitely feel the form here.

>>2638795
how do i learn to draw like you can

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Started doing a self-portrait every day for a month (on the 6th day now) while doing the exercises from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

I spend about 6-8 hours every day drawing.

My forearm really fucking hurts.

Is this normal?

>>2638892
I picked up a pencil 8 days ago and my forearm hurt.

So yeah, if you're overdoing something you don't usually do, it's normal.

>>2638892
How has the portrait a day thing been going for you?

I'm 3 days in and I've learned to hate my face in yet another way.

So, I'm trying to improve my skills and I'm drawing with a bamboo tablet. I'm still getting the hang of it, so I have to ask, is it better to train with it, or should I just use a pencil and a paper?

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>>2638892
>6-8 hours

>>2638892
that video is so cute

>>2638896
I'd say practice occasionally to learn how to use it but don't use it as a main media for studies

It's harder to use than a simple pencil and the luxury of undo/erase on digital can give you some bad habits

>>2638865
THanks anon, I agree, line weight is definitely I'm trying to work on!

>>2638868
Well firstly, I'm flattered that you'd want to. Have some loftier aspirations anon!

The way I learned to draw and the way you *should* learn to draw are probably two different things, but I just drew shit until it started to look a little less shit. Ya gotta be a factory for a while and just keep grinding it out no matter how much you hate your work, because after a while you'll start to see glimpses of things you like in there.

In short, just draw a whole fucking lot, but not mindlessly (and this is what I used to do until recently, just draw crap completely from imagination without studying anything - don't make that mistake because that = stagnation), pay attention to things, absorb their structure & the relationships between shapes, so you build up a base of knowledge to draw on. Try keys for drawing. From what I've read, Dodson explains all that a lot better than I could.

Honestly though I'm a lazy arsehole so if you keep it up, you'll probably surpass me in no time, eh?

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>>2638895
I'm glad someone told me to do this.

Here's my progress so far.

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>>2638939

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>>2636575

>>2638940
keep drawing

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trying out random thumbnails, dont know what im doing

>>2639039
This might be a personal thing and I know they're thumbs but the scribbles are really annoying. I would just have a solid black background.

>>2638960
This is teetering between bad and good, very uncanny

>>2639042
I was thinking the same thing, but I'm bad so I couldn't put my finger on why.

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Is drawing a good hobby if i want lots and lots of attention

>>2639042
I'm the dude who painted it. I completely agree that it feels pretty off. Could you try helping me figure out why?

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I need to more practice than I thought.

>>2639107
It's a good hobby if you have discipline. Motivation only gets you so far, and if your only motivation is attention, you're not gonna make it far.

>>2639119
I really don't mean to flame but how do you get that far into rendering without noticing those eyes? Did you mess up on the angle or something?

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>>2639119
you can benefit from this.

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>>2636575
Critique? I've been working on the drawing with the right side of the brain to get rid of symbols, but I don't think I managed the lips.
How to hair?

>>2639121
I was kinda just free handing it all. I should've done some basic outline but I was focusing more on the color.

>>2638812
Some guys here will kill me for the waste but...
I first use a layer of a dark cold gray polychrome, then a 2b graphitone and if the damn paper still looks grainy, i add a layer of 6B common pencil

>>2639139
Thanks a bunch, Nose :)

I am >>2638775 and i truly believe this will help me.

>>2639139
thanks, will use this.

Anyone know why my drawings lean and how to fix it? not posting anything but imagine if i draw a 'l', flip it, and it comes out like '/'

>>2639159
try doing some symmetry exercises lad
perhaps it may have to do with the place you work in too

>>2639147

see >>2639139

>>2639162
thanks man. i should probably stop working on my bed

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I'm a fucking retard and didn't see this thread

how are these tutorials, I'm an extreme beginner and I've heard conflicting things about starting with Loomis

http://drawabox.com

>>2639174
Fuck off, Muhammad!

>>2639174
i love this meme

>>2639174
It's good, I highly recommend it. Think of it as a sort of drawing boot camp, to get you started with decent habits. The exercises are effective.

The downside is that the guy's not good at explaining things, and the exercises are hard and boring. But they work, and everything they train is really important.

>>2639193
Thanks
glad at least one person saw my question as something besides a meme or bait

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>>2638960
I tried fixing this up by correcting the left eye and pushing the values and colors further to be more specific. Can I get some more critique? I'm gonna try to make one more pass to blend the colors convincingly.

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>>2639218
Sorry for posting this again. Here's my final pass. I still need to do a lot more painting studies until I get the hang of this.

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>>2639139
So somebody called me nosebro yesterday, that's a good thing, right? Right?

Also, is there a retard-proof eyeball/eyelid construction and placement guide?

>>2639121
>flame
There's a term I haven't heard in years

>>2639261
nosebro is a stupid faggot who sucks at art and tried to become an /ic/ ecelebrity

>>2639295
>>2639295
>>2639295

NEW THREAD

>>2639295
>>2639295
>>2639295

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>>2636576
Hi /beg/ friends
STEMfag amateur here just looking for a hobby to help me stop drinking. First serious drawing in years since intro art class in college. Can't draw from imagination at all except for stick figures, so started with photo. Took about an hour. Tried to avoid chickenscratch. Also working my way through Loomis. Any general advice much appreciated.

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>>2638551

The Art of Animal Drawing by Ken Hultgren

>>2639174
Loomis has a bunch of in-depth books on different topics, chances that you'll pick some of them on your own later, but honestly I don't think Loomis' bibliography is structured well for a complete beginner

Also if you're an "extreme beginner", do a book on observational drawing first

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So, I'm trying to draw from memory without reference. How did I do?

>>2637718
B8