what is your backup plan

>>2632193

My plan b is to do ur mom.

>he thinks I have a basket in the first place

>>2632193
Went NEET mode cuz too retarded to enter college.

Gonna study software developing.

Anyways, I can still sell watercolors.

>>2632193
Suicide

that is my back up

kinda hoping it doesn't get to that

>>2632193
>needing a back up plan
>ever
Art can be done anytime and anywhere.

>>2632213
so how old are you? and how long are you giving yourself to git gud?

>>2632210
same dude

>>2632210
this

>>2632210
My man

I'll put it off until my parents die.

>>2632193
> currently i have 3 op. and they are all "plans"

Top 1 = learning how to code /degree in compsci

Top 2= Get a druck drivers license use the money to support my learning. will probabbly do this just as a job.

Top 3 - Slowly get good at tattooing and moonlight after school or weekends.

current job i study hard as fuck at painting / art and work 50hrs a week in a warehouse. / thinking if i pusue comp sci ill get a part time job doing something a lot easier.

>>2632215

As long as it takes.

I don't even have a plan a

UI
I'm fairly good at it and the industry is so desperate to get UI guys that I could easily get a job.
I just don't like it as much as I like painting and drawing.

Nah man. Im just planning to get furry bucks after I get to college.

Benefits arent high even if school is free here

Plan A: Vanilla Porn and Erotica with some Fetish Porn on the side (So far so good)
Plan B: Fanart Porn
Plan C: Furry Porn

>>2632193
Eating a bullet

>>2632309
Won't that just give you the shits?

>>2632193
in college atm. I'm dumb as shit but I'm trying to learn CS or some type of engineering. I'm kinda considering architecture but pretty much everyone says it's not worth it since you'll have a shit job, work hours, and pay. So I'm not sure if I wanna do it. I also considered industrial design or graphic design but I heard it's hard to get a job so I'd rather get a degree that'll get me a good chance of getting a job while I try to git gud on my own time.

>>2632323
You should just go for industrial design. Good jobs are always hard to get. That's what makes it all the much better.

>>2632193
Aerospace engineering

>>2632210
same here m9, gma is at age 67. at a small deadline to git gud....

>>2632330
Ayy mang i fell for that meme too
Im starting my course next year
I wanna get this shit over and done with and get a job thatll pay for my loans

>>2632193
Suicide.
I'm a third worlder, it's art, slavery or crime. Titles aren't worth shit unless you're someone's son or a girl who literally takes dick for raises.

>>2632362
Why not just move to a first world country?

>>2632377
There's not so many illegals because it's fun, visas aren't just handed out to people who have nothing to lose in their shit countries and are obviously trying to escape.
And ilegals don't get good jobs unless they've already made it and are valuable enough to hide for their employees. So we're back to make it or die with the added incentive that making it means leaving this hellhole.

I'm studying >>>/gd/. It's a field similar enough and one of the design disciplines that's sometimes actually hiring.

>>2632396
Damn man thats pretty rough.

Art is a backup plan for me. One of them.

>>2632193
I mean, you can always get a job that compliments your basic skills and also pays well.

Like welding. You get a steady hand, good pay and you can learn it quickly.

>>2632193
The guys with a backup plan wont make it.
If getting gud is the only way you know you'll earn a living in the future it makes you take your drawing so much more seriously.

>>2632210
100% this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-JCN7-68C4

>>2632251
>falling for the compsci meme

I have a medical degree..

>>2632469
This. Most of the guys here probably can become sysadmins or tech support in no time if they want to.

>>2632474

you don't need to be facing homelessness to want to give it your all. just build up your hours and be disciplined and you can put in the same hours and focus just for the sole goal of getting your dream job as opposed to something that isn't that but won't kill you

stop listening to sycra fagget

>>2632461
same for me, senpai.

>>2632488
compsci is only as much of a meme as art is except with way more consistency

it's a creative science where you need to put in a lot of work, but unlike art you can get hired with just a diploma and a lot less experience

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srsly though guys, i'm going into uni for 3 years to do animation, obviously i'll try to spend as much of my waking hours drawing/animating (as i am doing now) but i don't want to be a dumbass and end up homeless after 3 years of uni.

what do you guys think is the best plan? get retail experience and work at mcdonalds until a drawing related career kicks off? i'm in the UK btw

>>2632193
No. In my opinion, not having "plans b" is good for creativity itself.

>>2632362
>I'm a third worlder, it's art, slavery or crime.
>slavery
By slavery you mean working on conventional job like everyone else?

>Main plan
Work in entertainment industry. Work my way up to a senior position or art director level.

>Plan B
Make illustrations for WotC or GW (DnD, Mtg, 40k, etc) or similar studios of much reputability

>Plan C
Do book covers, indie card/board game illustrations, mobile game art, etc

>Plan D
Gallery work, fine art, etc

Gotta recognize all of the different jobs you can get with art skills, then organize in priority of what really interests you.

>>2632210
>>2632244
Seconding this.
It's good to know that this is always, always an option. Makes you feel kinda calm.

>>2632261
This.

>>2632210
>>2632216
>>2632226
>>2632244
The giving-up-mentality on this board explains a lot.

>>2632193
Been taking art seriously for almost 3 years. Around entry professional level and starting to get jobs (first 'major' project, ~$500+ for less than a dozen undetailed drawings/sketches)

Saved up some money and quit my part time day job recently, gonna take at least 3 months off to go completely full time with studies and art. I've been averaging only 15-20 hours of drawing a week since I started studying and i really want to do more/full time art.

I don't have any other option besides art. Mental health (I'm schizoaffective) prevents me from holding down a full time job, art has been the only thing I can do somewhat consistently.
I'll have to an hero if art doesn't work. I don't want to be some nutcase burden on my family my entire life.

I think things will work out though, it's been going well so far and as long as I keep working hard I might get somewhere in another year or two.

Backup plan? I mean you can work partime if you have no kids and family to take care of so you always have time to git gut. If rou are not making steary progress ten something is wrong and maybe you should reconsider art as career.

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Plan A is to be some sort of medical or biological illustrator.

Plan B is to be an entomologist. Too bad the only uni near me that offers that is an hour away.

>>2632910
>Too bad the only uni near me that offers that is an hour away.
One hours doesn't seem much for uni. How is that a problem?

>>2632917
>>2632910
yeah wtf an hour to get to uni every day, not that big of a deal if you can save funds for traveling. even better if it's public transport, you'd have 2 hours a day of life sketching

Who here /richparents/?

Nothing beats having a safety net that you earned by nothing than being born.

So I'm planing to write my own videogame, say what you want it's my lifetime goal

So instead of just getin gud at drawin my backup plan is to git gud at programming

>>2632917
>>2632929
I'm currently in art school and live in a very busy city. Driving there would take anywhere from an hour without traffic to 3 hours and public transportation is about 5 hours.

Once I'm done with art school I'll probably move and go there anyways.

So what I gather from this thread is that /ic/ is so obsessive about Loomis and "making it" because it is 100% suicidal with absolutely shit lives with no other release than grave or drawing shitty dickgirl porn.

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>>2632935
not a richfag but i got a year rent free to work on my drawing at my parents house. wen't from total noob to now getting a little bit of paid work. i didn't put in nearly as much effort as i wish i could have, averaging on 4-5 hours a day including weekends. i've got 1 month left then i'm going to uni for 2 years where i'll carry on with learning to draw, also studying film and photography as a side job

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>>2632949
not only dick girls

I mean, I paint landscapes sometimes

>>2632632
This is all pan A for me though anon just break downs of plan A.

>plan a
Get a job in art
>plan b
Go on welfare for depression and study until you can accomplish plan a

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Military

>>2632883
I don't know about the others but my mentality is I will pursue art no matter what. If I end up severely destitute, I can always kill myself. That option will never go away. It's not a giving-up mentality. It's more of a nothing-to-lose one

>>2632883
What giving up? the mentality that if you give up you should kill yourself?

I don't see that as negative, but you made it sound like that

>>2632194
Nice. She can give you an allowance too.

>>2632193
My plan if things dont' work out (they will, but if art becomes illegal or something...) is to go into some sort of trade like welding or something that has to do with hot metal. I like hot metal. And fire. Welders make a butt-tonne of money if they're good.

>>2632883
Noooo not giving up, look at it this way: you'll have to die eventually, the universe doesn't care if it's now or later and no matter how much people mourn or laugh at your death, given time they'll forget, the world will forget and nothing matters.

The whole nhialistic mentality is interesting, I mean it's common to laugh at edgy teenagers or people who do nothing because they say nothing matters and from a certain point of view that's definitally something to look down upon but at the same time, really, truly, nothing does matter. After you're dead, to you, it'll be as if you never existed, and to those who cared about you, eventually they'll die as well and your existence will be whiped from the face of the universe.

Tldr, who cares, do what you want just so long as it pertains to yourself, just don't hurt others in the process (even though worrying about others opinions goes totally against everything I just said)

>>2632910
An hour isn't bad once you get used to it. My college was about 45 mins away at best, an hour and a half if I took the scenic route and avoided waiting for busses and before long I barely even thought about it as a long commute, rather it was just a time to sit and relax on the bus, listen to music on the train and walk the seawall.

>>2633383
thats kind of comforting in a way

>>2632193
currently trying to get a worthwhile degree, and drawing in my free time, which is what i've been doing my whole life - the hope is i can be met with some success in art before college is through and i have to pursue a career elsewhere. if not, i'll still be drawing. but i'm wasting my time fantasizing about having jobs and ambitions, when i could instead be working towards them. not to make it sound like i'm all that productive in the first place.

>>2633384
>>2632945

>>2632193
I don't eat eggs.

>>2633373
But that option will NEVER go away. Save you end up in hospital with crippled limbs or something. But even then, you're going to die eventually.
You'd only rob yourself of the opportunity to turn things around.
>>2633379
I actually saw killing yourself as giving up when I typed that. Although I immediatly felt bad about it, when I read the next post about the guy with mental health problems, who says there's not really another option for him for a job.
A lot of you guys probably feel that way, but I believe most of you are likely dramatizing and not even searching for solutions.
In a way, already having given up, "Oh I'll just do that one thing I kinda have potential in and that doesn't really require me to look for something else or rethink my life." Overly simplified, I know. But still...
What would you do, if you had no interest in drawing? Kill yourself immediatly?
What if you lose that interest one day?
I don't really have anything in terms of statistics here, but I think most people don't really know what to do with their lives, upon leaving school or even years after.
But they all battle through it somehow.
Also, I don't know how much good it'll do your art to have such a desperate relationship to it. Maybe for some that's actually the incentive to really excel in it though, I don't know.
>>2633383
Yeah, but don't you think that the mindset of "I can always kill myself if this doesn't work out" will creep into your work on art aswell? So where do you make the cut?
With those arguments you might aswell convince yourself into giving up right now or when the next piece turns out really bad.

A lot of projecting here, I know, but just what's been on my mind lately, trying to get away from this way of thinking myself.

>>2633404
Mah nigga

>>2633619
I'm the first guy you replied to. What I said might sound extreme but let me explain, there's some thought to my career plan. The thing is, I love art. I cannot imagine doing anything else. What I'm doing is focusing all my time and efforts on getting good. I also do some porn on the side. That nets me a small income. It's nothing much but I can live off of it because I know how to control my spending. I mean REALLY control my spending. I don't have expensive hobbies like video games, I buy the cheapest crap, I live like a poor faggot to make it work. And so far, it's actually coming along quite well.

The most important thing is to not buy crap you don't need. No fancy cars, no brand name shoes, no latest console and games. None of that crap. My art equipment consists completely of a crappy tablet and a crappy laptop, the total of which is no more than 500$. And you know what, I'm the happiest I've ever been ever since I started doing art. I'd rather do this than be in a cubicle desk job with a stable source of income any day.

The me killing myself is just the absolute lowest plan Z option.

I'm currently going through my first year of Law school, planning to drop it so i can focus on art entirely.
There will be no plan B, i just don't really want to do anything else. I will shift to the graphic design course (college is free in my country) and spend the next 5 years working hard to git gud. Maybe get a dead end job along the way so my parents chill the fuck down a little.

>>2633619
If I can't create anymore, my life has no purpose. I am of no use. I could either choose to spend each day as a rotting corpse wishing I was dead, or stop burning time.

art is a vessel for me to both output things and to become of some meaning to the world someday. If I become talented enough, maybe I will be remembered after I die

but without that, I have no worth. I'll die and be forgotten as soon as I get put in the ground. So why even wait if it gets to that?

my goal in life is to be remembered after I die. That's what real immortality is. If I am talented enough I can become immortal

>>2632271
>UI
What is the story with this. Do they literally mean just designing UI as a job or is it just a buzzword for graphic designers.

>>2634080
I was thinking the same thing, it sounds like such a buzzword because it encompasses such a broad thing.

>>2633619
this is me: >>2633383
I mean, offing myself isn't really a plan b c or d for me, but it'll always be there somewhere on the list. I'm just being a devils' advocate. The point is though, that if you want to off yourself, if you feel strongly enough in the moment to go through with suicide then do it. For most people however, it's quite a challenge to fight against the desire to live so they don't and they go on living instead. The whole Nhialistic mentality thing is simultaniously conflicting with human nature and directly running along side it: basically you should do whatever feels good (human nature) without any limitation because nothing matters (against human nature).

So you might ask, if nothing matters why do anything? Well, you do what you want because at the end of the day we are still biological creatures that can feel and think and we feel good when we do things we like, so if you have the ability to do things you like or that make you feel good, then you should do them and if that ability goes away and suddenly you can't do the things you want to do or your tired of fighting to do those things you can take a step back and look at your life from a different point of view. one of universal meaning.

For me the whole point of Nihilism is to realize that all of your thoughts and emotions are bias toward life. We want to live because we live, there's nothing more to it than that. The universe gets along just fine without all the billions of people that have come before you and it will be fine long afterward, so if you take a step back and analyze why you live and where in time you are living, it's easy to see how insignificant we all are. So any problem you're having, any drama or sadness, is but a fleck of dust on the fleck of dust that is your life, don't worry about it, you can't fully step back from emotions so dont' bother trying, feel sad, feel happy, feel whatever but when it comes down to it just do what you want and dont' worry too much.

>>2632210
There are stories of people who got off the streets as homeless and went on to become millionaires.

You are not down and out for good no matter how down and out you think you are. Don't consider suicide as the option.


My plan is to have a decent paying job on the side and to use the generous 8+ hours outside of the well paying job to get good. Why put all my eggs in one basket if I don't have to?

I think if you put all your eggs in one basket and make getting good a life or death situation you will improve more slowly due to the enormous negative pressure you'll have on your shoulders to perform. I definitely don't think it will motivate you to improve faster. More like you'll burn out faster and be more easily discouraged.

>>2632271
>>2634080
>>2634097
How does one even get into UI? T Here's like no info on it online and not much comes up when you google UI or UX design. Like what kinda degree would you try to get? Expected work hours? Pay? How do I find more info on this?

>>2634118
>if you feel strongly enough in the moment to go through with suicide then do it.

No absolutely not. Don't listen to this person. Most people who reach the end of their rope and really feel like they want to die in the moment and get help are extremely grateful that they didn't kill themselves while they felt this way.

>>2632193
Plan A: Git gud, make moniez.

Plan B: Same as plan A.

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>>2633379
>>2633383

For all suicidal faggots.

>>2632210
thought i was the only juan.

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>>2634512

>>2634512
Yeah but who cares if it's humiliating? Give a few years which is the blink of an eye in terms of the universe and only a brief generation in terms of the human race, and then your existence, no matter how humiliating or rewarding it was will be forgotten.

>>2634728
>implying I forget anything
I'll forever be haunted by the voices of myself, anon.

>>2634739
Not a billion years from now you won't :D

>>2634512
>>2634516
>mfw i wrote the suicidal van gogh post

For all the other suicidals. I still want to die, bur for different reasons. I realize the only way to git gud is to put hours and effort on your stuff, always taking your time, working your shit job so you can buy more ink, pay internet and buy food. Having a limited time to get good is just a fucking distraction.

If I ever kill my self, it won't be because of me not gettin' gud. It'll be just because I'm a very sad person. And sometimes a pathetic individual.

>>2632193
Janitor or work at a convenient store, Most famous artist and writers have normal blue collar job.

>>2632193
Join the Australian Army. Very little chance of going to war, get paid while doing nothing, get /fit/, living the dream.

Healthcare. There is always, always work. It's one of the most stable markets, actually in the next 20 years we are going to have an epidemic of all these old people with Alzheimer's/dementia and no where to put them.
The pay is good and you can work agency so you don't even have to work all the time, you could do 2 night shifts in a row and get double pay (I think the pay scale starts at €11.50 an hour and keeps going up until you have a few year's experience, in the hospitals it's like €14.50-17 an hour) then have the rest of the week free to do whatever you want.
If I ever decide I don't feel like doing that, then maybe do an apprenticeship in a tattoo studio, I worked part time there as a teenager and it was alright.

>>2632883
I like to think of it as giving up is not a possibility.

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Performance shop for cars painting shit boxes or designing shit boxes

>>2635857
what if you get lag mid-training

plan on being a dentist.

factory worker
ebin worker class here

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>that was plan B

>>2632193
plan a:illustration
plan b: work on art related software to help the ones who did make it
plan c:computer matinence
plan d:jewtube

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thankfully I have a plan b
I'm getting a degree in programming at my local community college while doing art on the side

I don't have a plan when I can't get a job in programming either though

>>2632344
good luck!
once i took the decision to go for art i just dropped college
had tens in almost everything though