/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2622744
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

size

>>2622753
it's a ref

make them 5000x5000 if it allows

>>2622753
Bigger ref = better ref

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I know I'm not very good, but I tried my best with this, please tell me some of things I did wrong and right. I'm pretty new here.

can I ask for criticism and some tipps here?

>>2622796
no

>>2622789
wrists dont bend like that

>>2622789
Bad news buddy,even if its a begginer thread its full of 40s aspenger guys who will give destructive critique,
about your drawing i will recommend reading the sticky(line and shape) and make some anatomical studies,and you will improve your humanoid drawings

>>2622800
Awesome, thanks for the tips yo! will do,

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tfw you immediately notice tons of mistakes when you put your drawing next to the reference

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Can I get some fixs, I'm not very good at foreshortening and weak with anatomy.

>>2622812
Yeah the lower body is definitely too stretched out in your drawing. This is partially bc the slope of the butt going up should be a lot more vertical. If you just squeeze the upper and lower body closer together it would look a lot better

>>2622842
If you're weak with anatomy you shouldn't be drawing stylized people yet, especially from imagination

Her face looks wonky, you should be seeing less of her lower butt if she's turning around like that, and her arms don't connect to either hand. Also your rough linework on small details ruins a lot of the effect.

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Tried drawing one of the refs up there ^
Muscles are so hard to render :/

Has anyone else found medical training autopsy videos useful for understanding the nature of muscles?

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>>2622812 here, just drew this as a 30min study for a pixelovely.com session.

>>2622931
Looks nice, I like how you did the armpits.

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>>2622949
>>2622931
>>2622842
>>2622812
>>2622789

>>2622977
unix pls go

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Posted this on the porn thread, some dude told me to go here. Is it that bad or is he just memeing?

>>2622977
kek

>>2623031
left hand looks a bit off
otherwise the line art is pretty solid

>>2623031
you got memed on son

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>>2622726
they work for the masketta man

>>2623031
it ain't amazing but I'd say it's above beginner tier.

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studying Keys to Drawing

>>2622977
what is the direction of this comic

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i give up on hands

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Hi, i want to start learning digital drawing, bought a Graphics drawing tablet from ebay and I need recommendations/tips to start learning. A book about all this stuff in photoshop would be good.

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tried a bit more on the shinkawa style, the shadows are killing me, this is not from ref though

I'm getting a bit confused with using references for stytlized inking, as shinkawa stylizes his figures, especially with cheekbones and jawlines, and yet makes the shadows seem realistic. Whenever, I attempt, it looks like overemphasized doodles on the cheeks. How exactly does he do it?

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>>2623148

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So can I move on from drawing what I see and move on to more imagination stuff?

I think this turned out alright

>>2623143
read the sticky icky

>>2623161
The proportions are not terrible but the value is a mess. nothing is defined, you have no dark/light areas its all middle ground and muddy.

>>2623148
You need to have total understanding of what you're drawing (in this instance, cheeks/jaws) in order to bend them to make them appealing. AKA study more. (This is also the answer to every question on /ic/.)

>>2623161
Have a good balance of both.

>>2623164

Thanks, I think the muddiness is partly my shitty camera's fault but you're right none the less.

How would someone go about learning or improving their values? Should I do some master studies on Chiaroscuro paintings?

>>2623174
sycra has some good videos on value (just search sycra value in youtube). Hes a digital artist but it can be applied to traditional. His video "The Value Game" is a good introduction to understanding/seeing value.

>>2623143
I-is that kahl?

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>tfw finally got to figure drawing yesterday

I've been drawing coke cans and have stayed away from drawing people, but I can finally come back.

>>2623206
wow i remember you

what did you do in between now and february

>>2623141
How are you constructing your hands when you draw them?

I wanna make a web comic, should I invest in a scanner or learn digital art? Ive tried digital before and it gives me a aneurysm, most seemingly good scanners are only in the 60-80$ range anyways.

>>2623218
You better have some pretty art if you're going traditional.

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After dropping art for months I finally tried my first attempt at digital, lewd and from imagination drawing.

It was better than expected but something feels awfully wrong, gonna start the grind on Loomis tomorrow and more practice, but this is what I've got so far.

Can anyone help me (preferiably with references) in understanding what's wrong with the drawing? the arm, neck and overall upper chest were a pain to finish and I think it's pretty noticiable they don't look good.

Also can anyone recommend the best way to get better at linework? Right now that's pretty much the bane of my existence.

Yes, yes I know I should've started with loomis first but I just wanted to push myself to draw something.

Jenny a cute

>>2623137
First - resize
Secound - Is it Project 1-D ? If so, did you read "allow yourself at least(!) 20 minutes"?

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What are some good brush settings in sai for blending?

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Porn thread doesn't want it. Tell me what's wrong and how to improve.

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Some help me pls. Drew this in like an hour or so. how bad is it?

>>2623330
You don't understand the human form enough to subvert it or stylize it.
Read some art books from the sticky and do the exercises in order.

>>2623343
I'll get on that Loomis. Is there anything particular you could tell me about her form which is wrong btw, or is it lots of things that just add up?

Feedback appreciated.

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does anybody know why when I try to save a psd file as png on photoshop it loses so much quality? pic related for example looks like is color burn and the transition between values is too visible but it doesnt' look like that on photoshop.

>>2623348
that's called "color banding", it's a problem with the color settings in photoshop.
make sure your photoshop project is set to at least 16-bit color. by default it's usually 8-bit.

more info here:
http://www.diyphotography.net/8-bit-vs-16-bit-color-depth-use-matters/

>>2623330
>>2623345
Different guy but
Looootsa things: the anatomy is crap, the shading (is that shading?) is really not good (don't shade every joint and the beginnings of every chunk of soft flesh), animu face, giraffe neck, no understanding of musculature etc. Get Loomy

>>2623340
Better than the last one
Mind the head, it looks like a watermelon; the skull isn't so elongated at the back where the bun thing is
The hands are living autism I'm sure you're aware of that
A more complex matter is leg placement: e.g. the right leg is twisted forwards at the thigh in line with her body, but then the knee swivels around really unnaturally and the foot is facing mad away from where it should be, as if she were standing with her foot rotated 60 degrees outwards
What the hell is that coupling at the boob?
Symbol drawing on the face, definitely, but I've seen worse.
The torso and ribcage seem a bit thick but her right arm feels tacked on
Bootleg some Hampton to see what elements a gesture has, it'll help you out a lot

>>2623283
You don't even have a grasp on perspective. Learn how to draw a box and its top surface: that table looks epileptic.
Further than that, anatomy studies really. The body isn't in line with the surface it's on, partly because of the perspective bork, which makes it feel as if she was floating above the table at an angle

Is tempera bad for a painting?
what about acrylic and oil paint?

I have that problem with tempera, that the colours lacks life, acrylic seems to bring more vivid colours, and oil seems to be the top , like if you're proffessional, you can use oil.
What do you guys think?

>>2623464
Tempera is poor man's gouache basically: you learn how to work with liquid media using cheap watercolour and tempera, and then move on to better watercolour, gouache, acrylic and oil based on which medium you like best, or even some or all

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>>2622675

Gave it a whirl. Day one, first study. Looks horrendous. I limited myself to an hour.

>>2623476
Hand is autasmicus maximus, arm is only slightly better. Neck doesn't feel like it's connecting to the shoulders like it oughtta, or she a hunchback. Honestly better than a lot of junk I've seen tho

>>2623488

Thank you. I'll improve. I'm finding it difficult to get from traditional onto digital.

>>2623490
npnp; I could see you were trying to adapt to a tablet (that bump on the back is waay too out there but it looks like you were playing with pressure sensitivity)
Honestly it's just mileage from here, do more of it and don't stop and you'll get the hang of it as your brain adapts to your hand not being on the image: it's kinda like playing a FPS with a joystick, it's obtuse at first but it grows on you until you're confident with it

>>2623492

Thank you, and again for the brutal critique.

>>2623494
no probs, just don't stop: you got potential, unlike most of the faggots that scream "style" on the board that can't seem to take criticism
Looking forward to seeing more in a few months I guess

>>2621763

what do you guys think? Criticise ,please.
no need to post on the thread, I made it before realizing that there is a beginners thread

>>2623497
On the right track but too little contrast and the shapes are still blobby. What are you trying to represent and/or achieve? Realism? A representation?

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Yesterday wasn't a very productive day. This is all I managed to do.

Gotta keep at it. Gotta keep my brain from rotting away.

>>2623501
It's definitely Loomis/Hampton/Proko/Bridgeman/Hogarth for you, that shit's terrifying

>>2623500
I want to achieve some sort of realism and expression mix. and varying between the two. Sometimes just simply going for realism, and sometimes mix my feelings or mood,or an idea in it.
I'm quite a fresh painter, so first I'll go for realism, and hone my skills, after that I'll want to move towards expressionism slowly.

Main theme I will want to use is depression, melancholy, I'll want to mix these into the colours of the painting, or even the shapes, so if you look at it you suddenly feel it. I want this effect to be fast ,strong, and vivid.

And of course I plan to try out impressionism, tho I dont have much of a touch on that.

I dont want to paint landscapes all the time ,but now thats what I feel basic stone, for a beginning

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Anyone know where this is?

>>2623503
Yeah, I still have a long way to go.

>>2623509
due to the fact that its winter in that photo and there's no snow ,i'd say its south

>>2623548
Nice observation skills faggot!

>>2623509
might be florence
but might not be, but for sure eastern Europe.

>>2623583
>florence
>eastern europe

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Hey Artists Im having a problem with drawing a certain character. Centipeetles skin is black, and i cant figure out how to draw someone with completely black skin and having it look good. Ive tried changing the color palette and changing the skin to brown or blue, but it still doesnt look right. What do you guys think I should try.

>>2623630
I think you should try reading the OP of the thread before you post in it.

>>2623639
>Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.

>>2623682
lrn2read

>>2623630
what is written with caps and has three suggestions

>>2623682
Fucking kek, are you blind or just pretending to be a retard?

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Ignore the hands, wasn't focusing on them, but any critiques?

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Hey guys hope you don't mind my softcore bdsm stuff too much was told to come here from the porn thread. I'd really like to improve so telling me what aspects to really focus on in my studies would be a great help.

>>2623779
torso is too long
face is also long, don't know why you shade it like that if you're aiming for plain anime style, looks weird, like a creepy mask
arms and legs look like pipes
hand looks abysmal
hair looks really weird
planes of the table and cups are all over the place

>>2623785
oh yeah you're right about the torso surprised I never noticed that. I like painting the face like that because I really like applying shading to the face it's a delicate balance for me between too much and too little detail I'll admit. I agree it does look strange maybe I'll reduce the shadow or something and it might look better

>>2623779
Wish i could see the look on your parents face if they saw this

>>2623811
Yeah I'm sure they'd love it

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I'm not gonna make it.

>>2623731
The boxy takes an entirely different shape when someones is lying on their side.
Shoulders and hips will shift, without support the neck will either relax downward or the person must support it. It is far too rigid for someone lying down. Leg gap would disappear as the upper leg falls over the lower leg.
There is a lot to work on to make them look like they are lying on their side.

>>2623818
Please ignore typos. Im on my phone.
Tldr-if you want to draw people lying down, they look different

>>2623818
Not lying on their side, sorry idk why 4chan flipped it.

>>2623817
It just needs a few dozen more layers. Everything's there.

>>2623823
that was the joke im sure

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I'm not sure what to do for the background. I was thinking of making it simple to give emphasis to the subject. Also to not make it too distracting. Other critique is welcome too. Thank you.

>>2623476
This doesn't look too bad, to add more value to the body shape, you should add softer black/blue hues. Realistically, the body's shadows is not too brown. The back should be more arched, it looks like you instead drew the ribcage lower than it should be. Put the eye line a little lower (Eyes are to be right in the middle of the face, while scalp line covers part of the forehead).

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>>2622675
giving this a go

The upper arm perspective is off when she tries to reach down her back. Either giver her a redefined elbow or show the back of the bent arm. Her eyes have no sense of direction. It looks like she was beaten in the face drunk. Her eyebrows are uneven (one higher than the other, which can be feasible but nor for this particular expression.)

I do like the back though, you have good spine curvature and your ribcage is of great proportion.

The line extending from her breast should be erased a little, it is a little too high for the other arm. Or you can just shade the back arm darker for perspective.

>>2623846
Trust me when I say i don't want to be "that guy" but what brush is that?

>>2623856
I use procreate, I tweaked a soft pencil

>>2623357
thanks, it is set to 16-bit color tho, gonna check that link.

>>2623206
I remember you lol
Tbh February looks better there just because the values are more defined and the pose isn't as strange

does anyone have a cure for shakey hands when drawing? For whatever reason I get very nervous when I am drawing and I can't stop my hands from shaking like I have parkinsons or something like that.

>>2623731
Too lazy to rotate the pic, so from what I can see just don't be afraid to go darker on the core shadows

>>2623817
>I'm not gonna make it.
here's that attention you asked for, you talented piece of shit

>>2623889
Yeah, but if you remove all of that (which I can still do) it looks way worse.

>>2623207
I did a lot of life drawing that I never did before. I learned how to really think in 3D on paper/picked up some perspective, and that was a big deal for me.

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>>2623890
I don't get shaky hands but I do get really nervous when trying to draw properly. I dunno what it is but I suddenly feel like there's a room of people studying me or something.

Memories of art class probably.

>>2623817
wew lad

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Hopefully I resized it right. Some angles are off and I have no idea how to approach hair.

Too lazy to find the reference for the girl.

>>2623893
Thanks for that, I've always been afraid to go darker.

>>2623890
plz guise, I need help. it is damn near iimposible to draw with my havd shaking so badly.
I am open to any suggestions.

>>2624051
Have you tried the first two exercises on Draw a Box?

I went from Michal J Fox to perfectly straight lines in about 2 weeks.

>>2624051
hand*

>>2624054
no, but I don't think it would help much.
My hands are too shakey and I just need to keep my hands from moving all over the place when I draw. I think it might be something boilogical I have inherited from my dad and grandpa.

I am still looking for any suggestions:(

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How much of loomis do you have to go through before you move on from construction?

I think I sort of get what I need to do but i'm still not sure how to apply it to things that aren't necessarily cartoonish

>>2624101

I am personally finding Vilppu easier for learning my construction and gesture.

>>2624108
Are you going through the video lectures or the book?

>>2624111

Both, generally. I have his stuff from way back, his book as well as his NMA stuff.

>>2624059
Try moving your hand from the shoulder instead of the wrist or elbow.

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>>2624117
Does he ever go in depth on construction of facial features?
It's the problem i'm having the most trouble with in my personal art

>>2624059
try resting your forearm against your desk/table

>>2624119
alright. Things look slightly better. thx for the advice.

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>>2624121

Yes.

>>2624125
Ah, thank you for spoon feeding.
I'll go try his course

>>2624125
how can I get this? where did you find it? and if its a collection of your own, would you mind sharing?

>>2624101
You need to drop Loomis totally and deconstruct objects from life. Once you get good at that, return to Loomis.

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>>2624141
I've done that already with backgrounds to help me learn to draw straight and with learning shapes and such, I figured it was enough experience to move on to human anatomy

As pretty much a total beginner, what's a good short or mid term goal to set for myself? Should I be trying to build up towards sort of photorealism so I can branch out from there? There aren't really any good regimens or anything like that besides DrawABox but I feel like that assumes I've been drawing my whole life and I just want to refine my skills. Am I wrong and just need to try harder?

>>2624147
Have you done it without the use of perspective lines though?

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>>2624197
I mean, am I ever going to draw a background without the use of perspective lines?

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>>2622726

How would you do a trimmed beard with pencil?

>>2624228
Maybe you should try resizing and rotating before attempting to draw tits.

I was on my phone, oops lol

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Here we go...Sorry about that

>>2624221
>>2624228
Both of you, did you start off with guidelines for the face? Start with guidelines, so that the placement of the features will be correct in the final piece.
Both have also used too harsh a line throughout the portrait. Start of softer, and then continue to add depth.

Both have also not considered the presence and depths of tone. Particularly the tit pic. Layers of dark and light and shades in between, not just a stark contrast of dark patches

>>2624241
No, I have never really used guidelines much. I also drew this piece, earlier in the thread:
>>2623836

Kind of shows I don't use much realism haha!

I almost always freehand stuff. I did find the resource page on ic helpful in regards for poses helpful though. I do want to improve. Thank you : )

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I have no idea what I'm trying to do or where I'm going here

>>2624273
why post it then

>>2622789
A+ for great taste

>>2624125
Please share where you got this
I am guessing its vilpuu

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well, I tried. I spent way too long on this one and it still turned out like shit.
I tried to draw a friend of mine. Any advice on how I could of made it better would be appreciated.
>(I'll post his pic in a sec)

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>>2624326

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>>2622667
Any opinion?

>>2624326
>>2624327
don't waste your time copying head photos unless you're doing to focus on value rather than linework. what you've dong is a complete waste. if you're going to copy a photo, at least focus on the value ranges rather than drawing the lines

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WHY CANT I COLOR /IC/ HELP

>>2624379
you need to vary color temperature. all you're doing in your pic is making things darker without changing the color temperature at all; it doesn't look right

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Working through the Loomis exercises, tried drawing a face using his construction techniques

Got a tip on not fucking up the chin? Also why do his eyes look like holes.

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>>2623943
>anatomy.exe has stopped working

>>2622977
LOL

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Do you like her?

>>2623817
learn how to paint, and what the actual fuck is that figure? kek, and perspective's also pretty all over the place

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>>2624437
Resized image.

>>2624442
Something extremely horrid and uncanny about that look. If that's what you're going for, power to you.

>>2624439
>Learn how to paint
What

Please elaborate on the other points, I am trying to get my figures right.
>Inb4 Loomis

>>2624447
Lol I thought she was cute. Man I really want to draw some pretty girls but they all turn out abominations in some way or another.

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>>2624448
this isnt painting, it's mindless scribbles with color.
do a few 20 hour master studies and try again.

>>2624453
I'm so lost. How is that relevant to >>2624442

>>2624456
Holy fuck I need to sleep. Disregard everything.

>>2624451
Then instead of your stylized shit, go back to the pure fundamentals - boring studies and paintings (and looking at artists you like) - to better understand how the human body works and how to make it sexy and cute. It's something nobody wants to do but there's no other way to get better than learning.

this loomis book is a lot of fun

>>2623509
I'd guess UK or Netherlands from the background.

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How am I supposed to distribute line weight in gesture?

~1 min

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I have forsaken style to focus on form and perspective. Would someone kindly tell me how I have done? Is her vagina in the right position? Are her hands the right size?

Yes I botched her lower face and covered it up. I'm aware her arms are different lengths.

>>2624479
It's gesture drawing, i doubt line weight even matters.

>>2624493
You're focusing on anatomy without knowing anything about anatomy. I feel you're drawing details to cover up you fundamental mistakes which won't work.

For now I would say don't worry about anatomy, all you need is basic proportions but what you need more is constructions and gestures. Only look on getting the big forms right and don't bother with the little details.

>>2624479

don't worry about that when doing gestures

in some of these you're drawing contours, not the motion of the body. try using more deliberate, continuous lines, and less lines.

Will start to draw again soon

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>>2624493 Criting because you resized anon. Good job.

Literally start from square one, at least with anatomy. Perspective is bad too. Looks like you're interested in naked women; may I suggest a more inviting pose? Contrapposto is about a million more times appealing than just standing there.

See the image; Praxiteles' Aphrodite of Knidos from the late third century BCE (correct me if I'm wrong someone, learned it in highschool). Her pose conveys the artist's knowledge of anatomy, the sensuality of the goddess (fertility) and has a line of action. It was said that it was 'so lifelike that men stained her with their lust' or some crap, I don't remember exactly. I'd wank to aphrodite, but not to yours. Something to consider.

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>>2624101
>move on from construction
Unless you're a pro with 30yrs of experience, you don't. Look at link to see how construction serves people who've studied perspective and anatomy.
>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-THF6JlrUJ_E/VjE80iPbeNI/AAAAAAAADZ0/BQ0Ryl9pRd0/s1600/example%2B1.jpg
This is why the fundamentals are so important.

>>2624479
I see you're trying to leave out details, but you still merely describe the contours with short CSI strokes.
Gesture is about the energy flowing through the body in a rhytm. Look at pic related (Hampton) and see how he uses line to literally lead the eye through the body depending on how the force is distributed.

>>2624493
Pen marks look like texture and texture makes her look like a creepy old blow-up doll.
However, any attempt at making it look "sexy" will be in vain, until you'll have learned the basics. Don't reinvent the wheel, pick up a book or simply read the sticky.

>>2623630
what am i looking at?

>>2624500
>>2624507
>>2624513
Great insights, thank you.

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This is my first time drawing line art without using the krita stabilizer as a crutch. I'm aware some of it's a bit off but I think I got close enough, how'd I do?

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this page is the first thing I've drawn in years
ignore the building thing

cat is from reference

>>2624129
>>2624312

Don't know if anyone answered yet but that's New Masters Academy. $29.99/mo or 19/mo if you pay for the year in advance

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Will post figure shit later

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>>2624383
redid it this morning, have i improved?? i am desperate i love this sketch but i really suck at coloring

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>>2624833
not him but I think he meant more like pic related.
what you did seemed more like you turned up the contrast
a bit.
search for color zones of the face for more information and
better explanation

>>2624379
>>2624833
Off topic, but is that the guy from Amnesia?

>>2624886
I can't remember.

this is hard lol

>>2624810
plz crit someone

>>2624942
I'm not the best at crits but her left eye looks more square and bigger then her right. I would fix that

>>2624886
Yes! haha i'm currently obsessed with the game and really wish that i could draw some fanart for it. there are SO many talented artists that have drawn him and it makes me very upset, like seriously how do i reach this level of skill
http://www.deviantart.com/art/Daniel-329449376
http://viaestelar.deviantart.com/art/Lux-Tenebras-258671488

>>2623206
Do not listen to the other 2. July is definitely an improvement over February.

I'm not saying it's amazing improvement, but it's improvement. Keep at it

>>2624881
her left breast is too far down relative to her face, it looks strange. everything else is fine, although you might want to sketch smoother jawlines for when you're drawing females.

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From the reference thread

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Stop me from making long faces

>>2624988
Thanks.

I don't intend to stop. Was feeling upset over my progression yesterday, but I realized that I'm slowly getting to the point where I want to be.

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>>2622675
I haven't been practicing in over a month how am I doing?

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>>2625014
Clearly horribly because I forgot to resize

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>>2622789
should work on the arms weapon thing, good for a novice. :), something i drew awile back :D

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How important is doing "parts added" of loomis?

I feel I can go through the base framework -> first sketch in like half the time, although with a small dip in quality

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I've been drawing my hands every day for a week, how do the newest ones look? I have the most trouble with thumbs, any advice?

>>2624498
>>2624504
>>2624513
Thanks all! opened my eyes

>>2624942
plz rotate someone

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>>2625050
Why are you even reading loomis if you're gonna bullshit your figures like that? And you have no sense of what it means to think in 3D. Everything is just symbols.

>>2625050

I don't see any application of Loomis in that picture in the first place. Drawing a sloppy t shaped construction line on the face isn't exactly applying what you're reading, anonymous.

What exactly do you mean "parts added" anyway? You're not at a point where you should be streamlining your process to be as fast as you can make it, you should be taking your time and doing it right. Speed will come with practice and knowledge, not rushing your art.

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20 Min Pose. What should i work on to get better life drawings? Thanks

>>2625143
Look at this funny faggot.

Keys to drawing vs Proko vs Draw A Box

Which should I pick please?

as a beginner, who eventually wants to progress to figure drawing.

>>2625159
ktd

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so i tried to draw ivysaur thinking my only challenge would be the leaves, but now hes just stoned

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>>2622726
did it for the memes

mouse and pencil tool secret toptier

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>>2625186
mfw mspaint fucks with your colors

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>>2625159
.
Drawabox, then Scott Robertson + Peter Han.

Also, do not rush drawabox exercises. You should be able to build up the habit of doing them everyday.

There is no key to drawing, you need to learn fundamentals and construction. You need to do Draw a box.

Guys, I'm starting to have fun while drawing.

What do I do.

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Hey, I'm this anon >>2623161

I practiced my values and I wanted to see if this looks better. I wasn't paying attention to construction or measuring so his jaw looks a bit short. I was just focusing on the values and it seems I've improved a bit.


>>2625002
You're just making the heads flat.

You have to keep in mind the realistic measurements of the head by learning how to measure the face appropriately.

Go read Keys to Drawing and pay attention how to measure faces.

Drawing on the Left side of the meme also has a specific chapter on why people draw flat heads and how to stop it. There are some useful things in that book despite people here not admitting it.

>>2625223
you make it

>>2625143
you can stop practicing.
this is perfect.
an artist could spend a lifetime drawing and not reach this level.

>>2625238
Thanks, that was such good advice! I'm going to practice some more now.

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Samefagging from another thread, did this earlier in soft pastel fairly quickly, how can I improve my nude drawings overall? And critique

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>>2625243
Also this is mine from a while back, both are freehand btw

>>2623031
you wouldnt normally be able to see the vagina from that angle

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Horrendous piece two. Terrible hands, terrible face. Will study specifically those tomorrow. Posting just to remind myself.

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"There is no dark side of the moon, really. Matter of fact, it's all dark."

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Should I just give up while I'm ahead?

This was an attempt at a cool idea I had though I stopped midaway....

And am now wanting critique. Honestly I can take it.

I just wanted to do a little fun outside of my practicing

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Absolute beginner here. Third attempt doing 1-D in Keys to Drawing and I still feel like I can't get the hang of it. It's extremely frustrating. I took exactly 20 minutes and this is my third attempt. Anyone got any tips for getting the hang of this?

I know I'm not supposed to stress it since I'm at the beginning of the book, but how long should I wait to proceed?

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>>2625243
>>2625248
i think you need to work on details and midtones, i would suggest switching to charcoal for both unless you can make pastels work.

for details i would get some sharpened charcoal pencils and kneaded erasers so you can draw and erase with finer edges. You could also try increasing the size of your paper.

for midtones, being able to add and remove the material is very good for learning. I made pic related messing around with vine charcoal and eraser, you can see the darker pencil charcoal as well.

>>2625269
That's nice, honey

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>>2625272
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This has to be a meme.

>>2625265
Would you kindly tell me how do you intend to draw a good looking face if you can't draw a head that fits onto its body?
Don't be an idiot who wants to draw masterpieces without being able to draw a straight line.

>>2625302

You're right. I'll go back to the basics.

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>>2625272
>5100x7014

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What are some good books/tutorials on learning how to draw clothes?

>>2625337
Drawing clothes on a fucked up figure won't make it any prettier.

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>>2625342
You want to elaborate or?

>>2624329
And me?

>>2624479
Don't really agree with the bad critiques you got for this one, I think they are good for 1min poses, even for 2 or 3 minutes. Contours are no crime as long as it's clear what the action is and the figures don't look stiff. I think you did a good job on them and are on the right path. I like that the bodyparts have volume to them and the arms and legs seem properly attached to the body.There are definitely lines and shapes that can be more simplified with longer strokes, but you are way beyond the level of just contour drawing.

What I don't like are the necks and how the head is attached to them. The neck should be a continuation of the flowing line of the body and it ends a lot higher on the back of the head than you are indicating. Just watch some video on it and you will pick it up in no time.

>>2625337
>nearly no detail on the entire body
>still draws her fucking slit

Jesus. Drawing someones vagina should be at the bottom of your list of things to practice. Literally the bottom.

>>2625273
Skip keys for now and look at Drawabox

If you like Draw a box better skip keys altogether and you can move on to other teachers at a faster pace (Hampton, Loomis/Hogarth)

>>2625378
Thanks for the tip, will do.

>>2625370
Draw a box is a grind but it drills it into you. Take a break now and then and try drawing something for fun; it'll be a good reference to how you're progressing.

>>2625388
meant for
>>2625383

Anyway, its your journey, you have to find the guide that suits your way of learning.

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>>2625370
It helps me to know where the thigh gap split should be

But again
Any good clothing tutorials? Books?

>>2625393
How about you learn what a skeleton looks like and how the pelvis is shaped instead

>>2625397
It's not supposed to be realistic in any sense, it's for a game, exaggerated for a reason

So again
Any Clothing books or Tutorials

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>>2625397
but anon, it's his style

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>>2625410
I'd recommend you some really good books on drapery, but they're realistic, so it wouldn't be of any help to you.

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>>2625410
>>2625411

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feels like the pose isn't accurate? i feel like my foreshortening is lacking, but i understand perspective well enough

>>2625440
Same thing nigga...

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>>2625416

>>2625416
lol rekt

>>2625416
kek

>>2625447
well, what do you think is wrong, besides his right forearm being too short? i at least think the pose is interesting enough (legs were originally straightened out and longer, looking less dynamic and more static)

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So I'm following the Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han vids (currently on week two) and the book Pen and Ink: A Simple Guide by Alphonse Dunn, so here's an egg shading exercise I did today. Hopefully I'm on the right track. Done with 01 Micron.

>>2625416
Kommandant Hogarth actually exaggerates folds in drapery quite a bit so that beginners can notice it better

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Guys help, how do I into everything?

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>>2625523
This the photo I was studying from.

>>2625523
shapes of color placed properly

measure and identify colors properly

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>>2625523

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>>2625416

Any tips on shading/rendering? Always ends up looking like flat scribbles and lines

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Advice?

So any of you fags gonna critique this >>2625233
or what?

>>2625590
draw bigger instead of 2 inches by 2 inches

>>2625599
practice measuring

>>2625525
>>2625533
So I looked at the sticky, tought about it and seems that my issue is that I don't apply the color blocks properly, too many white spots are left and that I jumpd into textures too soon.

When doing the front view loomis method, I can't even chop off the sides of the circle correctly. One side is always lopsided, or both, if the circle is even rhe same height/width.

Same goes for my jawline, I can never do a symmetrical looking curve (i know faces arent perfectly symmetrical, but my jaws always look super cockeyed like they got hit with a shovel or something. Isn't there a way I can avoid making these mistakes?

Practicing over and over is useless if you keep making the same fuckups.

>>2625661
draw from reference a million jaws without using the loomis method, just measure using a small unit of measure (ie: left eye) and compare everything else to that, use vertical and horizontal lines to guide yourself

get a mirror and keep trying until you get your face right

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Hey guys. Lurked for a while, but never really shared my work before. But I really want to start getting good now. From now on, gonna keep posting here every day until I make it. Here's some figure studies I did from photographs, I know they're shit I need you to tell me why. I need to get good guys, help me out here. Tear me to fucking shreds.

>>2625681
draw bigger

Everyone says to hold the pencil overhand when drawing. But how the hell do you do that with a sketchbook? Seems like it'll be a major hassle when you have to hold the page. And laying it flat on a desk makes it extremely difficult as well.

>>2625685
I've heard that before and I definitely will. Around how large would you say? Also, does drawing bigger require a change of medium? Like charcoal for example?

>>2625687
Do you live upside down

>>2625143
you've made it

>>2625694

wtf do you mean

>>2625704
he's saying he doesn't find how it would be a struggle to keep a sketchbook page still

>>2625705

What i meant was, how am I supposed to draw with my "elbow" locked and all that jazz.

Maybe I'm just overthinking it. I'm frustrated because this loomis bullshit isn't working for me, maybe im drawing the heads too small to work with, but even if I can manage to construct the head form, the features don't get me anywhere. And I don't even know if I am doing the jaw correctly either. Idk if my 3D form of the boxy shape is off, or if it's right, or what. Right now I am just basically drawing on a notepad sort of deal.

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>>2625710

A lot of them are screw ups, but meh

>>2625713

and what I mean was, a lot of the jaws keep looking like the heads pointed down, as opposed to being at a normal position

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i know you guys hate star wars but i finished my very first goauche study

Say I'm a beginner practicing a face from ref.
The likeness is not to a level where you could recognize the person if you knew them.

Should I keep reworking it, getting the likeness right/start new heads from scratch going for a good sketch only; or should I be less autistic for now and divide my time for greyscale values / planes etc?

>>2625781
post your work. how good are your portraits? do they look like passable people or do they look like arya stark in terms of porptions. the key to capturing likeness is details. if some thing has two human eyes, a human nose, etc you know its a human face. WHOSE human face it is is determined by things like

how far apart the eyes are
upper lip area
distant from tear duct to point of nose (height of nose basically)
width of nose
shape of nostrils
shape of lips (wide, thin, thick, narrow)
angle of jawline
size of forehead
distance between eyebrows whether altered or not
space between brow and eyelids
etc

you could go on forever listing all the little details that makes a face a specific face. if i were you id try to start measuring for a while just so youre doing it all science and shit. you can get pretty accurate with that. after a while you should be able to start getting accurate just using basic construction and adjusting based of your knowledge, observation skills, ability to self critique

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Is the form and perspective right?

>>2625792
no

>>2625793
Cmon man

>>2625792
I should make clear her hands are behind her legs, on the bed, and her head is stylistically large.

>>2625793
when I say 'no' it just means focus on fundamentals

draw from life instead of the self-indulgent shit like this. Draw a fucking vase of flowers, draw a chair, you'll learn twice as much doing that than your fetishistic crap

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>>2623943

I think I'm doing pretty good so far.

Left pic is when I first started, right is yesterday.

Makes me happy that I have visible progress. Please leave me some criticism. I am frustrated with shading.

Excuse the text on the right, capped it from sc

>>2625804
>draw a still life picture to get better at drawing bodies

I feel like art of an erotic nature get slammed here just for the sake of discouraging porn artists. I don't want to draw flowers, I want to draw seductive naked women.

>>2625808
stop worry about rendering and work on drawing. thats an improvment but youre still way fucking off from the ref

>>2625814
>I feel like people should learn by doing things way over their skill level, failing constantly, and then giving up.
Not even that guy you're quoting but that artist has a lot to learn before trying to draw bodies seductively.

>>2625814
yeah and you learn a lot about drawing seductive naked women by drawing other things, duh. Besides, the fact that your end goal is naked women in the first place just tells me you're probably not very smart or ambitious. Get some taste and draw from life, stop thinking with your dick, jesus christ

Any. Good videos on measuring life drawing ?

>>2625841
You're the kind of person who hurls uncalled for insults at strangers on the internet. I think that's a fair bit more telling about intelligence and ambition than wanting to draw naked women.

>>2625859
No, its probably because your art is shit and I'm just being honest. what you drew is genuinely distasteful, learn to accept critique and follow advice.

>>2625864
You're an idiot. It stopped being critique at this post and became a manchild venting his frustration at stranger on the internet at this post >>2625841
Stop being cancer.

>>2625874
not really, critique is critique. Point is, the beginner needs to stop drawing with his dick and start studying from life, do you disagree? If so, you're probably the cancer.

>>2625874
>>2625878
>one can't draw and the other can't crit so they just end up throwing shit at each other

You can't draw a clean line, why bother with something as complex as form/perspective/life drawing? Draw loads of parallels, grids, circles and use your shoulder. Then some basic perspective theory, boxes etc etc, it's all in the sticky.
And when giving/receiving a critique, discuss the critique only, not the person behind it for fuck's sake.

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>>2625884
oops forgot the pic :^)

>>2625884
no, it doesnt matter how shit you are, drawing from life will enable you to understand forms as they actually are, not how you perceive them in your flawed memory.

And my bad for assuming that anyone in /ic/ could want to draw something completely detached from their sexuality, most of you seem incapable of that

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Ok, I need some critique. Ignore the arms and legs, I haven't really studied them much yet. I've been trying to get my torso's to look right. Also, do these look good enough for me to start practising drapery or should I get my nude figures to look better before learning drapery?

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CtrlPaint videos told me to paint spatulas, so that's what I fuckin did

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>>2625893
A bit of a Dunning-Kruger, aren't ya? For beginners a still life might be good only as a study for copying values, not understanding form. Unless pic related is what you're going for, you need to understand form >before< you do a still life - a flower vase is just a cyllinder in perspective, a chair is a box etc.
It's simple→complex, not the other way around.

>>2625917
Nope, not yet. Take a step back and improve your line quality, then learn basic shapes of construction, then a skeleton with correct proportions. Follow Proko's figure drawing series and forget about drapery, it's not much different from drawing a saggy skin - it'll come naturally as you develop your sense of weight and form. When that time comes, I recommend this link
>http://www.penciljack.com/forum/showthread.php?42912-Clothing-Folds-Wrinkles-and-Drapery-Reference

>>2625925
thanks for the advice, but can you recommend something that I can use instead of Proko? I've already seen enough of his videos to know that something else would work better for me. I just find myself copying his videos and failing to learn anything.

>>2625713

am I doing loomis all wrong?

I'm following w/ proko, i feel like im not getting anywhere. Even if I manage to construct the head without a fucked up jaw/front view. Placing the features is extremely difficult. I just use a regular pencil right now. Not even worrying about the shading.

But for whatever reason, placing the features always turns out like shit. And it's beginning to frustrate me.

>>2625925
it doesnt matter, go to any art instruction course or drawing class and surprise surprise, you start by drawing from life. You can better understand the cylinder or box or whatever when you literally see it in front of you, in perfect perspective

>>2626127
>>2626127
>>2626127

NEW THREAD

>>2626127
>>2626127
>>2626127

>>2625272
I think you should keep going in your down time, but don't substitute this for studying.