/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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thanks rep

holy shit, why is it impossible to find a decent car tutorial on youtube? i just want to study perspective but you got all these feel-good assholes worse than mark crilley

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I'm afraid I've never posted here before but these are my drawings. I have a deviantart account but given how much other 4chan boards dislike mainstream websites, I'm not sure if I should post it. Here's my artwork at any rate. I don't have any specific questions I guess I just wanted to know how I should try to improve from here, and what's good/bad about them.

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>>2618724

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>>2618726

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???

>>2618723
This is all homework art. Next to nothing. But at least you have a mind's eye.

Read the sticky

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>>2618690

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any tips for someone using a wacom pad and ps?

>>2618723
There is a self-whoring/promotion thread, don't worry.
About your drawings:
>>2618723
>>2618724
>>2618726
Your line art needs some work, also those strokes int the shadows look kind of shitty.
>>2618728
Perspective is really off

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no idea how to color.

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>>2618734
another one because i hate myself

>>2618771
imagine how good that would look without a shitty lasso'd jpg as the antlers

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>>2618692
Eh

>>2618849
I literally cannot see shit.

>>2618820
What the fuck are those eyes

>>2618820
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THOSE NECKS?!?

>>2618869
>>2618870

>>2618871
kek*

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>>2618734

>>2618875
brutal

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Do I still need to go through Keys to Drawing / Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain?

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>>2618692
I'm new here. This is where I got after an hour. Thoughts?

I made it pretty small (face is only 1 inch tall) which made it hard to get the facial proportions right.

>>2618723
>>2618724
>>2618726
>>2618728

You do not have to draw every brick in a castle, every wave in the ocean or every grain of sand to convey a message.
And it would not hurt you, if you read the sticky.

>>2618922
What if his message is that it takes a lot of bricks to build a castle?

>>2618722
Check out How to draw by Scott Robertson

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Okay! Left is me today, right was me 1 week ago! Im finally improving!?? but for some reason i got way lighter in my values situation. Should i use pen or maybe charcoal just to get comfortable with using darker shades?? Thanks!

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>>2618746
2nd attempt. This time using Loomis.

>>2618916
how is that beginner?

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i tried a still life out. how am i doing?

>>2618818
start with a background color that better matches the refs background. color can be relative a lot of the time so have a an accurate background makes finding the rest of the colors easier

For someone starting out, would it be better to stick to pencil and paper for a while, or jump right into drawing digitally?

Also, the tablet I currently have is acting a bit funny, where the pen continues to draw stuff even when it's lifted from the screen. Using a Surface Pro 4 and SAI. Any way to fix that?

>>2619090
Get a better life before you start studying from it.
Star Wars is for people with no sense of taste.

>>2619104
screw you bitch. anyone with some OBJECTIVE criticism have anything for me

>>2619101
start with penvil and paper so you can focus on the fundamentals and not,have to worry about learning the program along with the other mass of concepts youll be learning. though it wouldnt hurt to play with it on the side either. but for the serious stuff stick with traditional. also, sounds like input lag. since youre new first cuplrit is probably too large of canvas size and too high of resolution. try 2000x2000 pixels at 150 ppi and keep increase canvas until you cant make large brush strokes without lag. make the canvases you normally work with a decent bit smaller than that. other than that i have idea as im not familiar with both the hardware and software youre using.

>>2619107
Sorry laddie, can't get more objective than >>2619104

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>>2619063
>3th attempt. Using Loomis & Hogarth

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>>2619126
4th attempt. Using Loomis & Hogarth, again.

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I haven't done a lot of digital art. How can I improve?

>>2619128
First one that actually looks like a face. The eyes are too wide.

>>2619083
You asking that shows that you belong here. The anatomy is borked as the drawing looks like an amaglamation of body parts as opposed to a whole body.

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>>2618916
ur no beginner

>>2618916
its pree good , the hair looks weird though

>>2619152
not perfect doesn't mean beginner

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>>2619128
5th attempt. Using Loomis & Hogarth, again.

>>2618916
sort out those eyes senpai

>>2619101
It may be a faulty digitizer. Do you get that "click and drag on hover" thing even on the desktop/other programs?

Try re-pairing the pen to the tablet as well.

>>2619059
use a softer pencil to make the values darker, B2 and up. also don't draw symbols, draw shapes and measure your proportions better.

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>>2618700

>>2618722
Start with fundamental life drawing. If you can draw a bowl of apples, or a bottle with flowers in it, or a nude figure, you can use the same techniques to draw a car.

If you "learn to draw cars" or "learn to draw animals" or "learn to draw flowers" you're just aping someone else's stylistic abstractions.

>>2619090
Really poorly, son. That's like middle school art class tier, but with a little discipline and steady practice, you'll be amazed at how quickly you improve.

Take a bottle or a chess piece or something really simple, set it on a cloth drape at your eye level, and draw it with charcoal or pencil instead of colored paint. Pay attention to the angles, shapes and values that you see. Then do some small arrangements of simple geometric shapes (bare bottles, plates, blocks, etc)

Look up "proportional divider" on youtube if you're having trouble seeing shapes and matching their proportions on paper.

>>2619222
oops i meantto say so far. the left is obviously futher along than the right and plan on working on it even more

>>2619209
Good start, proportions are off though.
>eyes and mouth too large, and angles/contours are not true to the reference.
>poor range of values
>hair is scrabbled out as a series of lines (symbolic drawing)
>linework instead of rendering areas of values

First, Sketch out your gross proportions, using a pencil or whatever to gauge ratios (ie, what's the relationship between the height and width of the face, how wide is near eye compared to the width of the face, how many eyes fit across the lips, etc).

Then, break the face down into areas of light and dark. Draw the darkest area first, and build up from there. Charcoal will give you a broader range of values than graphite, but there's nothing wrong with a #2 pencil if you use the whole range of values.

Block out the big areas, quick and messy. Once you get that accurate, you can refine the details.

>>2619228
I honestly can't tell. You're practicing poorly, so your results will continue to be poor.

It's like plunking out random keys on a piano and hoping that you'll somehow learn to play Bach, or nailing 2x4's together and hoping it'll turn into a house.

You gotta get some pencils or charcoal and just learn to draw shapes and value accurately before you put color into the mix. Read the sticky for some advice on grasping fundamentals. You can teach yourself, but only if you learn from the experience of others.

I'm not trying to be a tough guy on the internet or anything, just being honest.

>>2618875
im afraid i dont get it tripfag fampai ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>2619240
for reference this is where im at with digital and these arent even near complete. i just always wanted to try goauche and yeah the color mixing a ton harder. ill just keep pushing these and see where it goes

>>2619146
git gud.

>>2618916
You gotta fix those eyes a bit, fampai. I don't know why you didn't finish the right leg.

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>>2619253
>>2619240

I'm trying to find the most professional highly skilled online community of artists on the internet to help speed up my learning.

I was checking out concept art like the sticky said but this place looks like it has majorly died down in activity. Is there any other place to go to now instead of concept art?

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Fucked up hair on the front and didn't feel like colouring in the rest of the tone for the hair. Anyway I can improve?

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>>2619274
>>2619276
i wonder who could be behind this post

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How do I shade hair? Did I get the facial proportions down?

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Ref

>>2619280
Don't crosshatch the hair.

>>2619168
>>2618916
Facial proportions are off, hand is wonky and if that bit of shadow under the armpit is the start of the breast then it's in the wrong spot

>>2619285
Lol I resorted to crosshatching since my smooth shading looked really stupid. Got any good tutorials?

>>2619280
The eyes are too small and the right eye doesn't match the reference. I'd focus on your color next.

>>2619288
http://muddycolors.blogspot.com/2012/12/how-to-digitally-paint-hair.html

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the more i look at this the worse it looks. :/ started on the hair and fixed the right eye

>>2619090
imho its okay, you should use more pencils/ charcoal since its cheaper at lest for now. save some $$~

>>2619234
Thanks for the advices

>>hair is scrabbled out as a series of lines (symbolic drawing)
I tried to follow how the hair was formed by a succession of dark and light curves. How should I have done it then ?

>>2619316
We're looking slightly up at his face, right? I feel like his physical left eye should be higher up. Other than that, I'm enjoying your placement of the darks and the shading on the upper face and lips. Just fix that eye haha

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Hey /beg/, How can I make faces from imagination more convincing. The left is not from imagination, its a bored rushed study, but the one on the right IS from imagination, and it has no soul, I think the perspective is fucky, what can I work on to give life to faces?

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>>2619325
Thanks man, and nice catch. Eye looking better?

>>2619329
Study facial structure and what a skull actually looks like (Loomis's books have a lot of good stuff on that). Your face from imagination has a really wonky jawline and not much symmetry. I like your linework on the study though, nice job on the expression.

>>2618728
it's really beautiful, would go well with a glass of milk

>>2619366
cancer

DAILY REMINDER THAT MONTY DIED BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT ARC

>>2619425
wat

>>2619280
too early ):

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Made this a few weeks ago, what do you guys think? I gladly accept tips for improvement:D

>>2619425
daily reminder that monty was killed by his """"""""""""""""""""""wife""""""""""""""""""""""

>>2619462
rotate
resize

it's shit with no fundamentals, read the sticky

>>2619425
>>2619472
Who is Monty?

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>>2619474
The guy I'm drawing is Monty Oum, the creator of the animated series RWBY. He died a while ago.
>>2619456
What do you mean? Did I start coloring before proportions too early?
>>2619472
What

>>2619456
not early enough*

>>2619486
Ah, thanks for the explanation. I like your drawing so far, by the way, the hair and jacket look great. Don't be afraid to go darker and warmer on the shadows though, if you want to get a closer likeness and greater definition, especially around his neck/jaw/upper lip/eye socket, etc.

>>2619499
Thanks, I'll do that. Personally I thought the hair looked worse than the face since I had no idea how to shade it lol
Also the left collar of the jacket makes no sense but I really don't want to spend more time on it.

>>2619486
no I meant Monty died too early not anything about your picture sorry

>>2619546
Ohh okay, yeah it's terrible..

>>2619366
cloudy

>>2619059
no, stop. Fuck

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Sketch studies of apples, because that's what a CtrlPaint video told me to do.

>>2618922
don't need a comma in ur second sentence m8

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first time posting something here

>>2619974
Don't listen to this guy, he's a douche. If you stop you'll never get better and only feel worse. Your art is beginner, but we ALL are here, so don't worry about it.

Practice and try something new with every drawing.

>>2620079
White on yellow may as well be invisible.

>>2620079
feel free to post when you're serious

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>>2619473
Sorry, I got too excited and forgot to do so, though the file on my pc is rotated one quarter to the right so it stands normally. I'll place the resized one now then:) Hope it doesnt turn itself again

>>2620142
you didn't need to post it again

pick up keys to drawing

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wip

all thje flaws

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>>2620145
Please be gentle

>>2620146
the alt art thread is on page 5

>>2620147
Oh. Excuse me while I show myself out.

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I'm new here. This is a sketch I'm working on right now.

if i post some work, would someone tell me how to go about it, im struggling to understand the figure drawing proko stuff and would like some practical help.

>>2620211
this is about as annoying as someone asking "can i ask you a question"

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>>2620218
how do i turn a photo into a mannequin , i just dont know what to fucking do

>>2620219
You mentioned Proko, I assume you watched his mannequinization video. It's super straightforward so if you're having trouble you may have issues with 3D shapes. Which if you do, figures should be the last thing on your list right now.

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How's my feel for construction coming along?

It seems like everyone else uses SAI, I can't find anyone who uses Manga Studio 5.

Is Manga Studio 5 really that bad?

Really want to learn to draw but my motivation and willpower are non-existant

Any ideas what to do

I can try drawing something once a few weeks but i sort of forget to keep going

>>2620315
Ehh. No.
I like how you use shading instead of lines to convey your shapes, but the head itself looks too long.

>>2620409
Then maybe it's not for you. It's not something you can be good at just like that.

>>2620181
Well you're using construction which is good.

>>2620419
Thanks, that's probably because of the area between the ear and jaw, am I right?

I just have to use references more, I guess. At what point can one just draw without looking at them constantly, though?

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>>2620424
Lol I'm trying to get to that point myself, so I can't help you there. Personally I've done studies of a lot of skulls to try and memorize facial structure. Textbook references for simple structure help a lot too.

I know this thread isn't really for stylized drawings but I'm trying to construct the girl on the right and can't get her right at all, particularly the legs and feet

>>2618734
Keep going m8! I recommend spending less time shading/rendering. Just use the side of the pencil with broad strokes to indicate the shadows and spend the extra time you save to do more of these. Check out Jeff Watts on Youtube and look how he sharpens and holds the charcoal pencil (same can be done for graphite pencils).
You are probably already aware of all the weaknesses in your drawing, because your eye seems to be better than your hand. It won't take long for you to make a break-through in skill level, just keep going.

>>2620181
The left eye is too high up, align it with the nose, hairline and mouth. Neck looks wayyy too thick

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>>2620142

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>>2620315
>>2620416
As for the construction, is this better? This was just a quick fix with the lasso tool,

>>2620419
But i need to do something with my life

I have no hobbies and this is pretty much only thing that somewhat interests me

I often find myself just staring at the wall rather than doing anything

>>2620451
What you probably need is self-discipline, not motivation. This can be learned just like anything else, little by little. Try making a schedule for yourself and following it. Just don't overwhelm yourself. Maybe also try working out and eating healthy as well.

>>2620447
Yeah that looks a lot better
You might want to round out the top of the skull so there isn't such a jarring angle above his ear

>>2620239
okay. should i do loads of sheets just doing shapes in various perspectives then?

>>2619059
Beginner for sure, but keep drawing.

Go draw a bunch of different faces by blind contouring. At least 25 of them. Spend no more than a minute on each. Pay attention to things that line up vertically and horizontally, work your way through the photos
Then do some self portraits from a mirror (this is so you get practice seeing in 3D)


That's your homework, I'd be interested to see what you do

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>>2618690

I started doing figure drawing for the first time (starting with a quick gesture, blocking in simple forms, and then defining them more and more correctly) and really I have no idea if I should be reading an anatomy book first. Pic related

>>2619083

What the other guy said, also the form is not defined well at all other than maybe the nose

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>>2620529

2/2 I drew a girl from imagination to see how well I understand the human form as of now. Clearly not well. What's a good resource to start with?

>>2620533
I'd do any or all of the more recommended general approach books like

>Bridgman - Complete Guide To Drawing From Life
>Hampton - Figure Drawing
>Loomis - Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
>etc

Right now your proportions look fucked up. Eventually you'll have fixed this and you'll start wondering what all the different bumps do and that's the point where you'd look up an actual anatomy book, like Zarins - Anatomy for Sculptors.

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is this good perspective. Face censored because she is my gf

>>2620693
is your girlfriend an anime girl

>>2619366
hey guys, i want a honest critic of this. Pronto

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>>2620693
mikan from danganronpa is not your gf

>>2619217
I disagree. One can be great at reproducing the shapes of what he sees without understanding the concept of form. Aping other people's method is how you learn about the contruction approach. As you gain experience, you make up your own contruction methods, but the fondamental principles are the same for every single artist who can draw from imagination.

>>2619274
the mouth and jaw area is messed up my dude. Actually you squished the whole thing vertically

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C and C please

>>2618818
Use a darker black, red and blonde, and a lighter beige for the hat. Also, use a background similar to the one in the original picture, and try to create light on the eft like in the pic too. You can always use the colour sampler too if you're doing it digitally.

>>2620728
what if there was a thread for things like this

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Super beginner sketch...thing.

>>2620729
the ultimate symbol draw

>>2620736
Work on life drawing first. www.quickposes.com

>>2620736
What is the purpose of posting this?

Why do you have to take up an image slot for the thread?

>>2620728
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>2620742
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

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I tried. I really need to work on hair (and everything else).

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>>2620749
reference

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New on digital drawing,no idea how to colour,tried before and looked shet.jpg
Tutorials for coloration? is done with photoshop?

>>2620749
I'd worry less about the hair than the facial features right now, it looks okay even though your pencil strokes were too thick. I think you exaggerated the horizontal shadows on the cheeks too much even though it's how it looks on the picture. Try studying planes of the face and exaggerate shadows that make faces look like faces rather than just shadows that appear on the picture. Nice job on the sighting, it looks like you spent a lot of time on that.

Try picking a picture with more dramatic lighting to study next time, it should be easier.

>>2620737
What does that mean?

>>2619366
Hair doesn't do that naturally without something to hold it up, is her ear actually being hidden by all that hair, bottom of nose needs to slope more. This isn't exactly in a realistic style and doesn't have a ref so there's not much to crit

>>2620758
Yeah I tried to exaggerate some shadows because the lighting was so neutral but I ended up doing more under the cheekbones than I thought I did. it just seems kind of flat to me overall too. Thanks for the reply

>>2620729
You're drawing what you think you see rather than what you actually see, i.e. your eyelashes are straight, repetitive lines rather than the little curvy hairs that they're supposed to be
Hair is messed up since there's supposed to be a skull under there, earlobe wayyy too large, center of nose should be more narrow, whole face is asymmetric, chin is weirdly flat, sides of the face are practically straight diagonal lines, etc.

You should probably read the sticky and study a lot on your own before posting here again since you're just gonna get a lot of shit

>>2620777
Lol I see. Well, duly noted, thanks for the help

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>>2620729

>>2620811
Did you make this?

>>2620824
Also, how does blind contouring help in noticing shapes?

>>2619146
>>2619254
this

>>2620824
this has been floating around the Internet for three or four years I think

>>2620834
If you focus more time on observing the subject than observing your own drawing, it helps with accuracy. You should generally spend the same amount of time observing as drawing.

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Lately my passion for creating a graphic novel has really taken a hold of me in a way unlike before. Among other things I've started sketching the first character, image related. I know it's only a sketch, and I also have a hard time getting past the sketch phase as of now, but what do you find appealing? What do you not find appealing? How could I evolve my style?

Great reference pictures, I'll try my best to improve at drawing so that I can participate more in future threads.

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>>2620910
Sorry for being an idiot, forgot to follow OPs wisdom.

Hopefully it'll work now, sorry again.

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Kind of first post here, anyone have any tips for getting rid of figure drawing other than grinding it out? Not saying I don't want to grind it out, just looking for tips. As you can see I'm pretty new

>>2620919
keys to drawing would do you so much good

i want you to read it and report back in two weeks

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How's this book? Anyone else use it before?

>>2620938
Thanks anon, will do

>>2620952
glorified version of keks to drawing

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buộc dây giày của bạn conrad

>>2620824
the original was made by someone anonymous. I simplified it and cleaned it and made the symbol part cleaner since the original art was bad. Anywhere out of i/c you'll see the older version with added memes and cringe.

If i recall correctly the original part was done by an anon as well.

>>2621027
nose "i do it for the people" bro

>>2620409
Try reading Self Discipline in 10 days

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>>2619090
this is coming along a fuckton better. too bad i need more titanium white

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>>2621104
>stur wers

>>2621107
your post is funny because grills exactly like in your pic are the ones who pretend to actually like star wars when it popular. gg tho

>>2620409
try waking up early every day, and working out every other day. you see, you wont get motivated or disciplined out of thin air. you got to work on that.

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He dindu nuffin, he was just tryin to cross the rubicon, he dindu nuffin

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>>2620996
Please learn how to draw an AK, you can even use mine as a reference

>>2621134
At least give it to him in the right pose. Actually, just pose like his character.

>>2621134
Why do you even have that?

>>2620751
learn the basics first, this is awful

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I added some shading as well as some of the changes mentioned. Any better?

>>2620996
fix those legs please

Does anyone have the picture of a loomis head with really detailed hands but with a hilariously deformed body?

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>>2618693
I'm trying,dudes,but drawing is hard as fuck when you're retarded.

>>2618818
Don't be afraid of saturated colors
Make a new layer and paint brightly on it.
Paint what you see, use a lot of contrast, peach to white in the hair, orange scarf, blue eyes

Also, as mentioned above, color is relative, make the background similar in value to the ref

>>2621156
Sure,but can i get the links?

>>2621215
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

>>2621215
Fix that leg pls

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since you guys hate star wars. here's a few heads from imagination. first time doing these. are they loomis? are they pretty bitches? gave up on top left because i over stretched with the angle and gave up and was too lazy to do something else

>>2621271
oh and top middle was supposed to be a man but i fucked up and gave it woman features so now its my dykefu

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What do you guys think of this construction? I think I fucked up the width of the center oval and that messed with angle of the head.

>>2621271
Are you drawing with a mouse or a tablet? If tablet, work on your lines with eg. these exercises https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk (really fucking useful). If mouse, go traditional or get yourself a tablet.

I would recommend going over the basics more before trying to draw heads, they are fucking hard. Use references to build up a visual library before even attempting to draw from imagination.

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>>2621243
Fixed it,i also made a skeleton and i don't see it
that much disproportionate,i'm missing something?
Also,even if not for this one i would like to still get the colouring tutorials for practising,

>>2621285
See
>>2621280
Your lines are your worst enemy

>>2621279
jaw doesnt stick out far enough and the shape is off. angle of the neck is bad too

>>2621280
with a tablet but im using a small sized tablet in a car so its sitting in the seat next to me, hence the shitty lines. i already know of the peter han line exercises. ill be fair those werent straight 'from imagination' it was more going for different face types (for example heart shaped on bot left and long face on bott right, generic top right, etc) are they really that bad though? i have a bunch of practice with drawing portaits though. i do outlines for practice and have done over 50 not including the stuff i was learning reading through loomis

>>2621148
SHALL

>>2621304
Huh?

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>>2621291

Thanks. I think this one has the same problems too. Necks are hard.

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>>2621321
I'm no artist but i think the reference is standing straight, while your drawing is like...peeking over a corner, you know, like that meme picture of Tom from Tom&Jerry?
fix the neck and the head should be in the same position as the reference once you do that.
Think of the neck as the controller of a flying simulator, there's a reason videogames have inverted look.

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pushed some more details with this. i might even paint one of them in

>>2621319
NOT

>>2621286
pick up an anatomy book for everyone's sake and drop the anime

>>2621415
symbols etc

>>2621036

>>2621439
I have studied arts goddammit,
i know anatomy,shading and sketching,i'm not beginner at drawing, i'm beginner at digital drawing and thats where my doubt was aimed for,where i didn't get a single answer

>>2621456
Bad news, they didn't teach you shit

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A year or two of studying/reading up on art on my own and around two months of actual drawing. This sketch took about two hours. Be honest, should I kill myself?

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Been really sad and haven't drawn in months, trying to get back into it.
For some reason I don't feel the same drawing anymore but I feel this got something to do with my current state rather than anything else.

Any suggestion so I can enjoy art a bit more?

>>2621503
Yes, what a splendid waste of time.

>>2621503
Do you have reference?

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>>2621516
I used this one a tiny bit for the arms/hands after it was mostly already drawn.

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>>2620768
ok, i tried to fix it.

How did i do?

>>2621513
Draw stuff that you want to draw. Watch some tv, play some games, listen to some music, and draw something related to that. Normally that inspires me to make something

>>2621503
How often do you draw?

>>2621503
if it took you a year on """""reading up""""" for you to do some actual shitty art then you have no initiative

stop drawing, you clearly don't want to

why put yourself through it

>>2621189
Try looking at negative space a bit more. Besides the obvious facial errors, the leg is a bit more straight in the ref than you have drawn it. Keep it up though!

>>2621555
Probably about an hour a day. I'd try to draw more but I have a shitty tablet that usually dies after an hour or two and the rest of the day is spent troubleshooting. I do know I need to draw a lot more though, I'm working on my focus.

>>2621556
It wasn't like I went
>I'm going to dedicate my life to art!
>A year later
>Now that I've watched all the tutorials there are I can finally start drawing.

I just thought art was really interesting and I wondered how some artists could make the shit they make, so I passively studied it for a while. I didn't care to try it myself at first. Now I want to. Is that not okay ?

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>>2621565
>passively studied

So now you're ready!

Get to the sticky.

How best do i apply the stuff from stan's figure drawing playlist, so i actually learn something? should i do a sheet of shapes in various perspectives, try and find the gesture line in some poses etc?

>>2621565
>I have a shitty tablet that usually dies after an hour or two and the rest of the day is spent troubleshooting
Pencil and paper faggot

>>2621569
>>passively studied
>So now you're ready!

What exactly am I not ready for? Is there some prerequisite skill test to even start drawing? That doesn't really make any sense.

And I've gone through the sticky multiple times. I already know I still draw symbols, I'm working on it. And I've already read Loomis' "Successful Drawing" (Although I admit, I do need to go back through it now and do the actual practices)

>>2621576
Yeah, I really shouldn't forget that. I honestly don't know why I stopped considering traditional as an option once I got a tablet.

>>2621580
Because you're a lazy procrastinating faggot. So am I

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>>2621488
Better now Dr.House?
Is that the anatomical aesthetic you were seeking for?

>>2621577
It was sarcasm. You wasted a year of your life without being proactive about it.

The best time to do it was yesterday. The next best time is today.

>>2621583
those lines

>>2621582
>lazy procrastinating faggot
Can't even argue with that. But I am working on it.

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>>2621583
are you memeing him or what

>>2621585
>You wasted a year of your life
How exactly? I Read a few art books, followed a few artists and tried to learn how they did it. Like I said, it's not like I immediately dedicated my entire life to art and sat around literally doing nothing but watching anime tutorials or some shit for a year. I also do other things too.

I'm just really confused as to why it's such a bad thing that I had a passive interest and now I have an active interest.

>motion not contour
so, not the outline, but the direction?

>>2621598
the FEELING

>>2621601
DEEP

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Are these reference images too small? They're from a big book of reference images of equivalent size.

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How do I stick to a style?

>>2621619
Muh style is the least of your concerns right now.

>>2621623
Care to elaborate?
Bad lines? Anatomy?

>>2621628
yes

>>2621628
Not him, but uh, yeah, first things first, your lines make it impossible to understand what your picture is supposed to be, and from that, it's clear that you don't understand construction, let alone attempt to use it. Perspective, proportion, anatomy, there's really no category of fundamentals here that isn't egregiously off besides those you haven't even touched on with the wireframe sketch. Worry about "style" once you can make real-life proportioned and rendered pictures, or else your skill will be forever stunted at this point and you'll never actually effectively understand any "style" at all.

Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it seems like some people don't understand that "style" means bending the rules for artistic effect, not ignoring them. First, you need to understand the rules/fundamentals, or else nothing will make sense, not in your learning or work. Check the sticky for some good resources on where to start, and best of luck.

>>2621415
No point in trying to make it look nice, just keep on drawing heads until they look okay.

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I've always been pretty good at copying things from photos or by eye and that sort of shit (pic related, it's an old drawing exercise from one of my anatomy books) but whenever I try to stylize anything it falls apart. What do?

>>2621674
It takes just as much practice, try imitating other artists who have different styles.

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>>2621640
I started off with drawing backgrounds and got OK (although I still have trouble with perspective)
I thought I could somehow transition to humans with that experience but I guess there's a lot more to it then simple shapes

I'll go back and start at step 1

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Drew my empty coffee cup, trying to focus on getting relative values right and not having dark outlines around light areas. Getting even shading is hard.

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>>2621686
and here's a shitty sketch of a tree with a chair in front. I've been trying to draw from the shoulder and I'm having a hell of a time keeping my lines from shaking all over the place

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Hey /beg/ how did I do? How can I do better?

>>2621665
whats so bad about them

>>2621640
well said

When should I start doing studies?

I've been playing with shapes and construction for the past week. Do I do studies alongside this learning?

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Hello all.
I'm new here so I apologize if I broke any rules of etiquette. Here's a drawing I've been working on, if anybody could give me some feedback I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

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is this a good book?

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>>2621914
There is an effort here, so I feel compelled to say something instead of just "read the sticky" like how everyone else is going to tell you.

There's an obvious lack of knowledge in a lot of areas, specifically anatomy, proportion, and drapery. Like u know dogshit about them. I don't want to say it's a bad idea tackling all at once because this is your first thing or whatever and its fun. First off, a lot of the face is symbol drawn - it's not your style, it's you not knowing how features of the face work and resorting to ovals with dots in them for eyes. Read Loomis' Head and Hands or Hampton's Figure Drawing (it will also deal with construction of the head).

I see the idea you have with the body. The most glaring thing is the deltoids - you have no idea how they work. Try Bridgman's Drawing from Life or Hampton. I can't see the rest of the body behind the dress but the silhouette tells me it's already out of proportion.

Lastly, arbitrary creases and folds in the dress is not convincing at all. Drapery is an entirely different subject on its own - Try Hogarth's Dynamic Drapery or Cliff Young's Drapery from Head to Toe.

Most of all, your shit is fucking flat. The trick to drawing is making something look 3D on a 2D surface. Draw a ton of 3D objects in perspective, paint still lifes, do anything to increase your awareness of 3D before you move on to something as complex as the body.

If you're serious, it's going to be a long journey. So get to it.

By the way read the sticky.

>>2621928
Thank you very much for your input, this is exactly what I was hoping to learn!

>>2621870
There is no set in stone sequence of things in art that you should study one after another. You can trust your gut and decide what needs the most improvement, or post your work here and we'll try to point you in the right direction.

>>2621610
pls respond

>>2621942
What the fuck does the size even matter? As long as you can interpret it correctly it's fine.

>>2621964
Idk I thought maybe there wasn't enough detail to make use of

>>2621271
10$ youre black
>>2621157
bigger brush
>>2621133
Hispanic?
>>2621776
look at nose, nearly equal on both sides. Look at when jaw recedes most( smile height)

>>2621996
stfu nose bro

>>2622058
holy fuck nice catch. I actually just passed my cCleaner.

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im truly sorry im a sad bitch that needs constant butt pats /ic/.

yes i know messy
yes i know some symbols

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>>2622096
>some

>>2622099
def the eyes but the nose/lips is just a matter of pushing detail. anyways does she have the blessing of loomis? would you assuming she had a nice body?

How do I break out of my comfort zone?
I feel as if I've been drawing the same type of shit without any real progress.
Like I've mainly been drawing characters and working on bodies, but I can really only do like one or two poses that don't look like complete ass and so I just stick with said poses.

>>2622119
you draw other poses , and keep doing them till you get good at them. or work on something else like backgrounds.

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just started recently, and i feel, that i am going nowhere, cause i just copy things. is it possible to combinate academic approach to the drawing with copying?

>>2622151
>combinate academic approach to the drawing with copying
literally what.

>>2622161
lul, i mean, can i use more than one approach
at the same time or i should master one after another?

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>>2622135
>how do i break out of my comfort zone?
>just do it

>>2620811
Thanks!

>>2621503
>A year or two of studying/reading up on art on my own
why didn't you spend that time drawing? you learn nothing from reading about art but not actually putting the things you read about into practice.

I want to learn how to draw people. mainly bodies right now, whats best to start with, gesture or shapes? and how can i put that into practice so it sticks with my autistic mind? i need some kind of game plan because lately ive just been milling around barely making any progress.

How long does roughly take to get over the worst of symbol drawing?

>>2621583
what the shit

>>2622119
i used to only draw shit in 1 of 2 styles and i broke out of it once i realized i wasn't improving and tried looking for other ways to draw things. i think the main thing was looking at how other artists drew things: what brushes and techniques they used, their workflow, etc. and tried to switch up my own workflow based on things i could see worked for other people.so i guess just look at what other artists do and try using their techniques. i started being able to push my own boundaries once i started doing that and art got a lot easier.

>>2622208
1 day

>>2622222
quints confirms

If you don't get over symbol drawing in 1 day you're not gonna make it.

>>2621640
This helped me understand why no one was replying to my >>2620915 posts. I'll go back to grinding out the fundamentals and return to the forums later.

>>2622310
Pretty much, but don't think of it as "now I'm doing this, then I'll move on". You start with what's the most important (the fundamentals) and add on top of it.
For example, you can't draw good muscles if you can't draw bones and when you do draw the muscles, you don't drop the bones. Same when you add fat and finally skin.

>>2622327
Thanks you for the tips, I'll keep it in mind. You're a quality anon.

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What is the one exercise you should be able to do to know you're competent?

>Having trouble with the divided ball method in Loomis and his similar teaching thing used in Heads and Hands
I thought Loomis was the absolute beginning. I've been at it for 2 days.

>>2622367
Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

Makes it simpler for you.

Its a difficult process to wrap your head around but it'll click once you realise its power.

>>2622401
Thank you.

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?

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Level:Absolute Beginner.
Book: Keys to Drawing - Project 1-C.
How bad is that?
Also: had you ever impression that you look at your subdget from a liitle different angle, but you didn't move an inch?

>>2622432
Also the photo can be in a little different angle, then "drawing".

>>2622432
horrible, but... interesting...

the angles are all wrong af

for your level I really recommend starting with simpler objects meaning less "fluid" shapes. start by learning to measure length and angle of lines. do the cliche of holding the pencil at arms lengt to measure it helps a lot in learning to measure by eye.

How can I practice moving from sketch to inking?

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>>2622496
whoops

>>2622497
Are you going for more stylized or nah?

>>2621533
Uh, looks better i guess
I'm not sure what all the blue lines are for

>>2621732
Tbh I like the shaky lines on the tree, it looks pretty nice. The chair might need some definition.

>>2622511
My goal is to get close to what Yoji Shinkawa can do

Far, far away

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I need to stop copying random shit and learn more

>>2622496
>>2622497
Inking is basically filling out the shade with pure black, also getting the line weight right.
I would suggest learning lighting and practice filling a certain value of shade with just black

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>>2622432
Keys to Drawing - Project 1-D - Drawing of your eys in mirror.
Photo is again not perfectly accurate in what I was seeing when drawing.
>>2622458
Thanks for anserw. I drew what Keys to Drawing said me to drew. Purpose was, to get better idea, that things are diffrent in our minds, from what they really are.
You think I should drop Keys to Drawing for now, and get something more for begginer(if KtD is not this kind of book).

>>2622667
>>2622667
>>2622667

NEW THREAD

>>2622667
>>2622667
>>2622667

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I'll make it someday

>>2623099
But not if i forget to flip it and decrease the file size i won't...

>>2622119
get alluminum foil and tape the windows in your drawing room to block night sky, get a bright overhead light if you dont already have one white or blue not yellow if your bed is in your drawing room turn the mattress on its side. buy bulk jetalert caffeine pills from amazon, bulk asprin, bulk tylenol, use them together when you really feel like shit don’t take the jet alert til after 3am. when sunrise, you should get a second wind, good time to shower, breakfast, trick yourself into thinking you got sleep. At other times, don’t eat, food make you sleepy. Drink lots of water, pour many glasses and keep on your desk so not getting up. Keep empty bottle near desk for piss. I listen podcasts or audiobooks because music keep messing with. earbuds instead of headphones, hurt your ears after 15+ hours and break the flow. If your resting head on the desk or leaning back on chair, immediately get up and pace back fourth, call a friend, anything to force you not to be a bitch and pussy out. Don’t stop drawing. Don’t lie down. Don’t “rest” eyes. Don’t take breaks. If your hands start to hurt your not drawing from your shoulder! Stretches can help with shoulder pains but don’t walk away from the desk. May want a pillow to sit on if your chairs hard. DON’T OVER THINK IT just draw, one minute, five minute, slide show may need to go shorter times if your tired. Get your reference downloaded in bulk and don’t be picky just draw what you see. Pick a time in advance like 5pm next day or w/e, and don’t crash until that time. When you do go to bed, make sure you go to bathroom first and lie on your back not your side.

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do you ever feel like some days you just draw worse than usual?

feels like 1 step forward, two steps back

Keys to drawing vs Proko vs Draw A Box

Which should I pick please?

as a beginner, who eventually wants to progress to figure drawing.

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Sorry about poor quality. Figure studies from photographs. I really really want to get better guys, any advice is needed and appreciated. Tear me to fucking shreds please.