/confession/

>>2586336
Confession: Often I draw things in a way to specifically trigger i/c because it's funny.

>>2586354
flash me

>>2586354
I KNEW IT

>>2586360
honestly it shouldn't even be a secret, I got my name nosebro from messing up my nose on purpose as bait.

I used to be demeaning to certain classmates their art because I was absolutely dogshit and I chose to cope with it by knowing I could shit on others to make myself feel better

In the end it only ended up as a temporary band-aid and it didn't actually fix anything, I got/was lazy and barely improved in 4 years
It was like a drug when I felt down I would passive-aggressively insult someone or their work methods, giving me a temporary boost of confidence, only to backfire right in my face, a means to cope with being bad instead of genuinely working towards getting better

Now I am indifferent to various skill levels and open to anyone and have improved a lot in the year (genuinely trying to get better)

>>2586683
>In the end it only ended up as a temporary band-aid and it didn't actually fix anything, I got/was lazy and barely improved in 4 years
>It was like a drug when I felt down I would passive-aggressively insult someone or their work methods, giving me a temporary boost of confidence, only to backfire right in my face, a means to cope with being bad instead of genuinely working towards getting better
Dont worry, thats literally everyone on ic

>i only came to /ic/ because i am lonely and i am scared that other d/ic/ks will sniff the desperation and run the opposite direction

I think Jackson Pollock is one of the best artists to ever live.

I hate coming to /ic/ people give me shit and blame me for not trying hard despite doing my best. Ala,s I need the feedback and I have no friends or even acquaintances who may help me with art

>>2588761
/ic/'s feedback is shit anyway, anything that's different from most of their ideas of ''real art'' (which is just western style naturalist painting and drawing.) is insulted and discarded just because they don't get it within the first five seconds.

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>>2586336
I've been drawing since I'm a kid, I'm not bad at all at rendering and can make good stuff as long as I'm in my confort zone.

I know jack shit about perspective or anatomy, I've learned everything I know by assimilating what I see, using references, and reading comics
I just got a pdf of How to Draw by Robertson and I don't understand one fucking thing about all those vanishing points, station point and this shit.
I don't get how am I supposed to use that, I don't know how I can identify those elements, and I'm not a native english speaker so it's even harder for me to understand.

Basically I skipped the fundamental parts necessary to do something at least decent, I could get good if I had that knowledge.

t. stuck at page 22 of How to draw

>confession
I've been on /ic/ 3 years, and I've never read the sticky

>>2586336
The better I become at it, the more I hate drawing

i have all the tools and resources but i rather lurk /ic/ or read books on drawing instead of actually practice.
not. gonna. make .it.

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>>2586336
I left my shitty job to study, it's almost a year now. Guess what? I didn't. And now I'm to lazy to live and too afraid to die

>>2586683
Sounds like you grew up, good for you.

>>2588748
Nice meme

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the only art shit i paid attention to at school was perspective, color theory and still life study.
in all cases it was because the teacher was hot as fuck.

I only come to /ic/ because I have no one irl. very rarely post on here as well.
>1st time posting
>everyone laughs at me and tells me I'm shit
>one person tells me to do perspective
>useless crit aside from one guy
Don't even mind this too much cause my work was really really bad
>2nd time posting
>entire thread gets derailed by my animation
>get called shit
>dude starts launching personal attacks and saying passive aggressive shit like "you're not dedicated" or "you have bad work ethic"
>all I did was ask for feedback
This was somewhat unfair imo
>don't post again for a few months
>3rd time posting
>get told I'm symbol drawing
>get told to construct the head from a circle
>THE FUCKING CIRCLE I CONSTRUCTED MY HEAD FROM IS STILL VISIBLE
Sometimes someone gives a helpful crit but a lot of the time it's just super toxic people being assholes for the sake of being assholes. /ic/ has gotten a bit better lately but a lot of the people here don't want to help others improve at all, they just try to hide their toxicity behind a veil of "tough love." Same thing happens When someone skilled posts something and people start trashing it over the smallest thing. I probably shouldn't even be thinking that much about a comment some stranger made after looking at my work for 10 seconds but sometimes that's the only interaction I have in the entire day so it ends up sticking with me. I just come here cause I have no where else to go

>>2586336
We will never make it

I actually try to help people

I have a real art job that will probably get me a lot of exposure. Instead I'm browsing /ic/ and redlining things because it's so stressful

what's the point of drawing while ruan jia is still alive

>>2586683
Sounds like this kid in my class last term. Total douche. thought his shit didn't stink. We had a class project to design a flag for a school festival coming up, so my teacher used it as an exercise in working professionally, meaning you'd have to take other people's input into consideration.

He was SO opinionated on everyone else's pieces but when it came to his, despite it literally being a triangle for the letter "A", he said "I'm not changing anything."

He didn't change it until the final critique before we did the final reworks when everyone ragged on it not looking like an A.

I just hate these kids that are so full of themselves, I like knocking them down when I can, and I gladly jumped on the chance to tear his A apart.

>>2591061
>I gladly jumped on the chance to tear his A apart.
ayy

i read almost none of the text in most /ic/ threads
scroll through generals until i see a piece by someone i can actually help, see what others have responded to it with, leave my commentary and scroll on
not many are within the unfortunately narrow skill range i am able to help (more or less people who already have a strong grasp of fundamentals yet struggle with stylizing what they've learned) so i mostly just end up leaving compliments on the works i like

>>2591014
I'm curious of your art level now to be honest. If you're a beginner post in the beginner thread. If you draw stylized, post in that thread. Don't make your own thread just to look for feedback because generally, unless you're godmode, people will rip you to shreds. You'll get better help in the pre-made threads (but you might get ignored but that's just 4chan for you, keep working, try again, and remember not to take anything to heart because again
>it's 4chan

Generally if someone is just needlessly mean and doesn't post their own work, just ignore them.

once i make a post on /ic/ i come checking in every 5 min to see if someone responded

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Why would I make a confession?
The truth is what it is, nobody is hiding anything here.

>>2586336
I am slowly starting to think that I'm unable to become a great artist due to my asperger's. I don't understand human emotions and visual storytelling which seem to be important parts of art. I used to think talent was a stupid made up term but it actually applies in some cases.

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>think about dying everyday
>not sure if affecting work

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I studied at an art college and there was this guy who was always producing weird works, pieces that never seemed to have a recurring, definitive style or theme and was jumping between various techniques, but regardless he kept receiving good marks for.
One day the guy was slinging his dick all over Facebook over some conceptual sketches he'd received a lot of praise for, how he was going to be a great artist and was moving on and up in the world, but I immediately recognised it as being plagiarised from an established artists work.
I spent the night during surfing Google Images and DeviantArt and came across no less than 18 pieces he'd ripped off completely.
Next day I slipped into my tutor's office and left a pile of print-outs on his desk with a note attached. Three days later the plagiarist guy was suspended and it was like a month left to our final examinations.
Do you think this was a dick move or what.

>>2586690

Not me, I love teaching others and giving them gentle critique and helping them grow and develop creatively. Jealousy and arrogance brings you nothing.

I haven't been drawing. Even though loved ones have been buying me art supplies.

>>2591254

It was the right thing to do.

>>2591260

Yeah, I guess. I saw him recently working the checkout at a local Tesco and I felt a little bad. I pretty much singlehandedly dicked another individuals entire future, but then I suppose he did that himself by plagiarising.

>>2586683
What do you do when someone show you his work, you don't like it but you don't want to be a dick about it

I'm depressed and drawing is probably the only thing who makes me focused on something else than my shitty mood.
I finally decided to learn the basics and realize that I skipped fundamentals steps.

Also drawing figures of naked women help me to cope with my sexual frustration.

>>2591254
>>2591262
I knew a guy once who misunderstood photo bashing and just barely blended illustrations together from other artists in his first year until he got called out by a guest teacher quite fucking hard infronth of several classes.

He then manned up and gitgud in 2 years and after graduation he now works at a AAA studio

Your teacher(s) sucked monkey dick if he couldn't figure it out on his own desu

it was a dick move mostly because you dicked him out without taking responsibility, literally prison shanked him in the back. Should've just manned up and outed him in public

>>2591269
Be genuine, there's a big difference between not liking a work and trying to sabotage it on purpose
What can he do to fix the issues/fundamentals currently present?
Composition? colors?
There's usually a thing you don't like about the piece, explain why and if you can, how to fix it.

>>2591274

I kinda did a couple of times? Like when he'd put shit up in Facebook I'd leave a comment saying something along the lines of it looking familiar to another piece I'd seen, but he'd just delete the comments.

I deleted system32 as a kid

>>2591274

Taking responsibility for what?

Fuck that guy and fuck his art theft. He shouldn't have been shanked in the back he should have been passed around the entire cell block.

>>2591318
Did you also microwave your phone?

>>2591321
I wasn't allowed to toaster.

>>2591322
Aw. Atleast now you seem to be allowed near pc's again

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>>2591327
pc? i'm macleet.

>>2591248
It's still not talent. It is not a talent to not be born with aspergers. You could still do great technical drawing, there's plenty of creatives with aspergers and autism, don't let it hold you back.

>>2591248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYot-dXK-Pk
Hope this helps in some way w/ vis. storytelling

>>2588776
The perspective lessons in How to Draw are a little more advanced. Why not start with Perspective Made Easy?

[spoiler]I love /ic/[/spoiler]

>>2588776
>can make good stuff
>I know jack shit about perspective or anatomy

Lol, you can't make stuff look good then. Sorry m8.

Draw cubes in perspective until it clicks.

sometimes when a client asks me to recreate a photograph as a drawing and I'm pressed for time I just trace the photo and add a few things here and there, they always eat it up and tell me how great I did

don't tell anyone ;)

>>2591223
I always post in the beginner thread or animation thread. And yeah, I occasionally do get help but I think it's just that I take too shit seriously so the negative unconstructive shit gets to me sometimes.

I don't really care about art anymore but I'm good at it and it's a decent enough way to make a living. I'm thinking about switching careers but I'm not too sure yet.

>>2586336
confession:
when I was a weeb, I used to take bases and make shitty mspaint "art".

Everyone that knows me irl thinks I'm an amazing artist because my sketches from life look fine.I can paint and draw quite well from life or photographs, but I'm shit at working from my imagination.

I draw weeb porn privately in my spare time and it's terrible, I can't even fucking draw hands or decent anime faces. All i am is a photocopier.

>>2591609
There's no shame in that

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i date older men instead of working minimum wage so i have more time to draw.

>>2591691
im not gay but ill consider it if the pay is good. Just how much are you making?

>>2591696
>willing to be gay for pay
of course you would, nose. of course you would.

>>2591725
I own [email protected]

>>2588776
>I've learned everything I know by assimilating what I see, using references, and reading comics

Anon, may I suggest you to try
> Perspective! for Comic Book Artists
by David Chelsea, it is explaining perspective through a comic instead of dry text, much like the books of Scott McLoud.

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I'm a girl studying game art and I suck off my teacher to get private lessons and even an internship

tell everyone im drawing to git gud - end up drawing for an hour every day and spending the rest of my time wanting to just die and being here or on youtube.

I made the nosebro account and genuinely thought I was a good artist. When I realized how bad I was and started getting flamed regularly I decided to play it off as a joke

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>>2591821
kek

>>2591821
Flash me

>>2591882
Srry that's for sensei only

>>2591884
I can be your sensei bb :^)

I am a closet homosexual. I don´t think I will ever have a happy life in a openly gay lifestyle. So I guess I will have to carry this burden in my until the day of my death. sucks to be me :(

>>2591696
i dont live a high life but i have enough to put a down payment on a suburban home now, and i put a lot of cash into investments. college is now a possibility too. this all from nothing and no specialized training. im not proud of what i do but it takes me places.

i can't tell you if the pay will be good, a lot of it depends on factors beyond your control. the crowd you hang out with, your particular looks, your race, and how well you hustle.

Sometimes i want to tell people im a grill so i get more attention for my art

>>2592135
It has nothing to do with your stated or perceived gender and everything to do with how your market yourself.

Unless you mean like those Instagram chicks who already had 100's of photos of their faces and bodies before posting a drawing they did.

>>2591685

This sounds like a visualization problem, it is one that can be overcome though.

Hey at least you don't have parkinson's eh?

I keep telling people that I'm gonna draw for the rest of my life without regrets, but I have a feeling I should choose a slightly safer path. I can see myself going into graphic/web design, while doing something like a webcomic on the side. Am I a pussy for not wanting to risk my life for a passion?

I got youtube popular by animating shitty parodies and memes of popular topics. My animation skills are garbage, i just understand what the audience wants. Meanwhile countless amazing animators who do everything FBF and whatnot get barely any views.

>>2589878
>And now I'm to lazy to live and too afraid to die

heh, me too

>>2591593
Just seriously repeat this mantra when you take something to heart
>It's 4chan
>You're getting upset by 4chan
>Go draw

Take the good crits you can get here, disregard the bullshit from the nobodies that don't know how to give a crit. Don't confuse a harsh crit with someone being an asshole (Someone might tear you apart and insult you but if they still tell you what you need to work on, accept that much and do it).

>>2591609
Pixel art with shading or basic outline fill color art?

I used to take bases but i made some pretty cool things with it. Wish I still had them but they're lost to time. I spent hours making them and browsing forums like The Underground or the muffin based one. I'm getting nostalgic.
I mean i'm a femanon (I know lots of us are) so making simple animations of sparkly little 'dolls' was the absolute shit.

I did make some inuyasha ones though so it kinds negates all the cool shit i did

>>2591821
So you're so shitty at art you have to give blowjobs to get extra help when you could probably just, y'know, use your school's assets to get extra help for free and get an internship on your own merits and actual skill. How's it feel to know you have no actual skills in art?

Also
>game art
What a joke.
You're a disappointment to my gender.

>>2592300
yeah i think its important to remember that , just replace all the harsh bullshit attached with nicer sounding things.
this one time this guy told me "LEARN ANATOMY NOW" i simply interpreted that as saying once i learned anatomy i would be pretty good and he was excited for me to do that haha.

>>2591987
Sounds like your own fault for staying closeted retard. 14 year old kids come out and get kicked out of their houses and still go on to live happy gay lives, the fuck is so bad in your life that you can't come out?

I want to make mad dosh from fellow furfags and become a popufur. I wonder how fast loomis' corpse spins when I open one of his hardcover books.

>>2592252
Not really. If you don't have a cushion to fall back on then chasing your passion can be a huge risk. I'm only doing it because I do have that cushion to fall back on right now. As long as you dont forget to have time for yourself and to draw what you like there's nothing wrong with it.

I will say one of my teachers did a safe option for the first 20 years of his career or so, also graphic design, and he hated it and regrets wasting that part but he's happy because now he just makes what he wants to make and teaches on the side.

I wouldn't mind so much having my fallback be an art teacher as long as it was one with enough freedom to do my own work (like my school seems to provide the teachers)

>>2592258
Prove it

>>2592308
Hahaha yeah exactly.

>>2592312
In all honesty i've been considering doing the same. Just making an account with a name unattached to me, keep details about myself vague, and just do shitloads of furry art. You don't even have to do porn to get popular if you can do cute or meme-based shit. I did this in high school when I had some gaaaarbage skills and still made about $20 a week (Which is good for someone who, i'll reiterate, was garbage at drawing at this time). If you have some actual skills you can charge more than my measly $5 a headshot and if you have the fanbase, they'll pay it.

Porn is where the real money is though but some requests are weird, weirder than you'd expect.


My problem is I don't want my fiance to know or see

>>2592316
>>2592324

Just keep in mind you will get countless desperate fat faggot autists soliciting you for sexual roleplay, or try to become your "friend" so that you'll draw degenerate bullshit for them for free.

The other day some guy PM'd me telling me how horny a particular image made him (wasn't even porn) and wanted to know if I'd skype with him and help him "paw off", This is a person I had never talked to ever. I responded by saying I don't use skype and I'm not comfortable with that sort of thing.

Never be nice to those fuckos just because they may give you money. If you wanna work for furfags learn how to be a "heartless asshole that only cares about money and not friendship."

>>2592341
Oh dude I know. I've been in the game before, I've had my share of odd sexual advances from furfags.


I also don't get the term "paw off." We don't say "hand off" when we masturbate, we GET off. why change it? I know it's pointless to bitch about but i had to.

>>2592358
I'll show u babby
Give me ur fucking Skype

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>>2592316

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> want to be concept artist
> start out great, huge progress, learning fast
> become decent start getting work
> realize concept art sucks ass
> start doing porn
> much more chill and enjoyable
> happy af drawing porn
> still tell everyone i do concept art
> mom still proud (if only she knew)

>>2592455
jaltoid?

>>2591987
Please don't shoot up a gay club Ahmed. Just come out.

>>2592455
That doesn't prove that you made youtube popular, dingus

>>2592449
I do not have a skype or i'd take you up on your offer murrrr

gag.

>>2592478
Nah, i have more views than them.
>>2592509
120 million views isn't consider youtube popular?

>get decent drawing animals
>moves to anthros
>starts feeling a little confident in my work, though acknowledging I'm still only intermediate at best for furry standards
>tries joining the commission game
>gets some interest but not enough to support self
>realizes I'm way too specialized and can't draw humans at the same skill level
>can't draw furfag or zoo shit involving humans
>can't draw normalfag or weeb shit
>confidence crashes
>feels like the reverse of all the d/ic/ks looking to cash in on furry
>no guide to becomming a normalfag except >loomis
>can't bring self to effectively start at square one again and learn primate faces because I can barely bring myself to draw what I like
>is stuck being furry trash

>>2591685
Minus the porn part, this is me in a nut-shell.

>>2592516
Realizing now i misread everything because I'm slightly retarded.

Even so, who cares? Youtube is easy

>>2591254
was bound to happen to him sooner or later, so no biggies

>>2592455
I'm going to take a shot in the dark. JelloApocalypse?

I know I should draw but I play video games instead and i feel guilty while playing but I really feel like I can't put the games down. I haven't done any sketching past the skeleton in like 4 months. Ill say that I'm going to draw and practice when I wake up but depression stops that from happening.

>>2592624
slowly start up a routine
even if it starts with getting enough sleep at night and eating breakfast
It's hard, especially with depression, but there is always at least something you can do

>>2592522
how the heck is studying one more thing back to square one
even pros study new things everyday

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>>2592307
You seem upset.

I have never posted my art on the internet because I can never think of a fucking username.
PLS HELP ME

>>2592463
Why was concept art shit? The thought of trying it out has crossed my mind on more than one occasion.

>>2591821
hahahaha what a stupid slut lmao

>>2593704
Think of a name of an animal, color, and then something random lying around your house.

Then mash it together until it turns to gravy.

>>2592455
speedosausage

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>>2592305
basically like this but now I actually draw both traditionally and digitally but I still suck at drawing.
>>2591685
yeah I suppose so
since I got rid of every image I made with mspaint

>>2593704
Just go with
"The Nose Bro"

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>>2593785
and here's what I am currently working on

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i stalk my abusive ex online to make sure that i won't be posting at the same place and time as he does. last thing i want is him recognizing my style and trying to "be friends" or show up at my doorstep even though i moved like several towns away, fuck that shit.

i wish he'll just die or something

I have thought about photobashing like Irakli but with pictures of myself so i won't get caught.

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I'm going to stop smoking weed. Because when I get high it makes drawing 10 times harder. I can't fight through the fog and I forget how to draw. It's depressing because I loved weed so much when I used to DJ. But now that I'm trying to acquire and develop an actual skill, it's only getting in the way.

>>2593977
id abuse u
id abuse u good babby

>>2594214
my little boy is growing up ; ;
youd make your daddy very proud ; ;

>>2591019
It all depends on what your definition of "making it" is. If you want to be the next Mullins or Scott Robertson then yeah, you'll probably end up pretty disappointed, but if you just want to become the best version of yourself, that's doable. Don't over obsess about the level others are on.

I'm starting to draw furries only cause I want to be noticed and get money, next step is porn I guess.. Why not furry porn

oh no i have a math test tomorrow i must cram for...

brb drawing and going on /ic/

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i've grown to be more interested in art supplies & how to make them rather than using them to draw

I pay $50 for Verizon so I have enough reception to browse 4chan while I work at a strip club out in the middle of nowhere/countryside

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>>2586336
sometimes i spend a good 20-30 minutes redlining, writing paragraphs critiquing other d/ic/ks work on here, then i delete it because i know they won't take my advice or put in the work to make the advice be of any use

I've dropped making animations and started drawing gay furry art for the past 5 years and haven't worked on a portfolio to look for a proper job in my field.

>>2594933
post tittayes
m-marry me

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>>2594214
>when I used to DJ
At least you admit that DJing isn't an actual skill.

Most of my drawing motivation comes from just wanting to be better than other people. I think I have some weird superiority complex but I'm not enough of an asshole to show it with my personality so I do art as a way to be better in some measurable way.

>>2594937
Idk if this means anything to you but sometimes I like to read critiques of other people's works and think about the value behind the critique for my own art or comparing own mental appraisal with what someone else notices is off. Something like learning from other people's mistakes.

>>2594948
you should come see me at the club and make it rain. then i'll give you some titties

>>2595136
im too poor baby
i was imagining you will fall in love with me and support me while i draw

>>2595253
nah i am already supporting three artists: me, myself, and i

>>2595405
b-but sugar ill treat u good
with my white dick

>>2595409
baby i will do you so much good with my dick too

o wait

>>2595510
make love to me babby i dont care if u have a dick

I don't like Frazetta's paintings.

I got back into drawing after getting over the fact that people are going to criticize my pieces and there is nothing inherently wrong with that.

I feel stupid for not realizing that years ago.

Haven't drawn in months. Realised I don't enjoy drawing anymore but it's too late to go back on my choices. Don't know what to do with myself.

>>2586336
Not really a confession. 27 year old here with no drawing experience. I am absolutely terrible. I am going to start learning how to draw. Wish me luck!

>>2595604
that's ok. he was a vile racist

>>2595517
all these years i have been hiding my true self. im actually a real life futa and i finally feel loved and accepted for who i truly am

bby we will have a beautiful wedding. d/ic/ks are invited to come

>>2595665
I strongly believe that realist works should be looked at without their creator in mind. They are not to blame for the sins of their father.

I like to stick my copic sketch markers in my ass while I masturbate. Once it went in past the cap and I got really scared, but I pushed it out nearly immediately thank god

>>2588761
really, most of the time, a few people will compliment a drawing that's stylilized!

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>>2588761
So what? Post in /beg/ accept that people are going to tell their opinion and critique.
If drawing looks like shit, people will tell it's shit if you don't like it go to Reddit or Tumblr.
There they will circle jerk how good you are even if you are not and you won't improve as much as with honest opinion here.
Also if you cannot spot trolls and bait you should lurk more,

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>>2588768
So what are you doing on /ic/?!?
Go to /i/ shithole and stay there.
There is a fucking alternative art thread in /ic/ so if i want to show of my shity manga and hentai i would go there.

>>2595662
this is me encouraging you

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>>2594937
I know there are to many anons on /ic/ who can't accept critique and think that you are basicly saying that they are shit. To bad that good people get hurt too. Many could use criticism.

>>2595004
Damn you described my life....

>>2595690
ill fuck you so hard during our wedding night you aint gonna walk for a week bby
and ill take care of you while u cant walk <3

>>2595662
I did the same at your age, 4 years later I feel it is the best decision I have made in my life

>>2588776
....Are you and I the same person?

Not necessary a confession, but I'm scared of starting college after 1 year of art grinding.

I am scared of not being able to balance college work (I'm doing CS) and art.

I am scared of stagnating once more, it already took so long for me to get started already.

>>2592309

Well I live in latam and my job environment isn´t tolerant to people like me.
Also it seems that the gay lifestyle is narcisistic and superficial as f*ck. I don´t think you can reach a deep love, connection or whatever in a homosexual relationship only meaningless sex at most.

>>2592341
>The other day some guy PM'd me telling me how horny a particular image made him (wasn't even porn) and wanted to know if I'd skype with him and help him "paw off", This is a person I had never talked to ever.

This has kinda happened to me too. A few random guys have asked to erp with me or to have my skype, and why the heck would I do that with some random person I've never met? I've also gotten some other question in PMs where it's pretty obvious this person just wants something to fap to about me, not even my art.

I get that I draw fur porn but that doesn't mean you can be creepy to me. And I don't wanna seem mean to these people because I KNOW some of them have got autism or something else.

>>2596599
You're literally a slut
That's why they want to erp

>>2596605
>You're literally a slut
Hey, only my bf gets to say that ;D

But seriously, one guy who asked me to erp straight up told me he had a mental disorder. I didn't rp with him but I still feel kinda bad for him. It's totally cringy the way he acts but he's still a person and I don't wanna come across as rude to anyone.

I spent my entire life drawing portraits. I got really good at rendering them. And the person I learned art from taught me how to do paintovers, since that's how they made money. So I did that for awhile too. I thought it was the norm. People love hiring me for anything involving portraits or paintovers. Goddamn I can make pretty things. But I wasn't satisfied by this. I never wanted to draw that shit. I've always just wanted to make comics.

Then one day I decided to pursue my passion and try drawing comics. Then it all collapsed on me. I realized I can't draw anything involving perspective and I can't draw backgrounds. Worse, I can't even make a coherent story, let alone figure out basic paneling. Now I'm studying my ass off trying to learn all these things I never learned. Doing paintovers for ages was a huge fucking waste of time. I mean, sure, it made me money, but it was a fucking waste of time. There are so many things I don't know how to do because some jackass taught me to use photos instead of teaching me to construct things. Making a comic out of paintovers would just be retarded.

I'm horribly embarrassed for myself. I want to die every time someone tells me that I'm a "good artist".

>>2596613
It's a pickup line so you pity erp him

>>2595657
Probably just burnout. It helps to just sometimes not try so hard to improve and just draw some shit for fun. Either way if you keep going you'll probably learn to like it again.

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>>2596616
>I want to die every time someone tells me that I'm a "good artist".
Well, you just have to turn that around and live for the sake of becoming that good artist.

>>2586336
It's not that much of a confession, I just became complacent when all I did was draw from reference (basically just copying shit I fancied) and a couple dozen people sucked my epeen constantly. Even though I knew I shouldn't be content with it I didn't dedicate enough time to improve.
By the time I wised up I was too busy with work (70+ hours a week), then survival (living on the streets is great for inspiration though).
Now I have the chance to do it right and I'll be damned if I make the same mistakes.

>>2596616
i actually want be a face xerox machine

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I take forever on commissions because I'm fucking shit at doing line art

>>2593704
Use a line or phrase from a song you like.

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>>2593729
>CrimsonFoxJoystick
This'll need some polish.

>>2596808
Just shorten it or use parts of it, like 'Foxjoy' or whatever.

>>2596616
How do people pay for paintovers?

I hate nosebro so much. So much. And..all of you as well!

>>2596817
>How do people pay for paintovers?
Well most people would use dollar bills. You can use digital means to pay someone as well, such as through debit/credit card transactions. Another way you could pay for a paintover would be through trading for other goods, like farm animals, raw materials, etc.

Hope that helped and thanks for watching. :)

I use auto-like scripts to boost my social media accounts into the thousands of followers.

checking on /ic/ again from the strip club. the conversation above was totally not me lol

sometimes i bring my sketch book to the club so i can draw when i dont feel like grinding on guys. i secretly hope that another stripper doesnt see my art and ask me to draw her her 1000th tattoo.

sometimes i wanna post my stripper selfies on /ic/ to see what atrocities people come up with

>>2597292
Do it
I wanna fap to u for free

>>2596822
im going to confront you about this post Haruno. You better deny it's you.

>>2597294
Make new intermediate thread u lazy turd

>>2591232

(YOU) :)

>>2597292
post tits

I've never drawn before in my life but I come here cause I like to see others make stuff.

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>be me
>obsessed with Adam Lanza
>whenever I doodle during class the faces incidentally turn into him
>cue frantic erasing whenever someone looks in my direction
>sister buys me tablet for birthday
>first thing I draw is Adam Lanza
>mom and sister bust into my room while I'm working on it
>zoomed in to work on detail around eyes so they can't see who it is
>ask me to zoom out so they can see the whole picture
>refuse, close laptop, screech, and run off
>now they're wondering why I'm being so secretive
>they're trying to break into my laptop to see the whole picture
>I can't even pass it off as a regular meaningless drawing because I gave him a flower crown

Where did it go so wrong?

On a somewhat related note, would it be incredibly offensive to make an Adam Lanza dating sim? I want to make one and I know some other people who would probably like it but I don't wanna get hate mail from angry people for being a degenerate.

I destroyed TLG

>>2597441
holy shit

>>2597441
future children serial killer detected :^)

>>2597441
What the fuck is wrong with you

I used to be a major wolfaboo and used to draw anime expressions on wolves and dogs on DeviantArt, I even made a Naruto one

Now I'm only a Tier 1 wolfaboo.
I like big cats more now but have been only focusing on humans in terms of drawing lately.

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>>2597481
Said Naruto wolf. I was 14(?)

I also just found a bunch of my old journal entries in trying to find this. That was uncomfortable

>>2586336
I draw better than 101% of /ic/ but choose not to be helpful at giving advice.

>>2597441
Some of you guys are alright
Don't go to deviantart tomorrow

>>2597572
10/10

>>2597572
>>2597640
What do you mean ?

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>started drawing seriously 5 years ago
>now draw almost nothing but hentai
>tell lies to my parents as to why I don't show them my art anymore
>but occasionally tell really close friends that hentai's all I draw
>that's also a lie
>I don't draw

>>2597572
>>2597641
shit booooi he finna do it on deviantart!!!

>>2586336
Im not gay

>>2597751
You disgust me.

>>2593704
If you're trying to make "cool" art for that sweet Patreon dosh:

It should be easily memorable, "catchy" even; and unique enough that it will always top its own google searches. When people pass by your username, it should stick in their subconscious so that even if they can't recall it, when they pass it by again they'll instantly recognize it as the handle of a known internet artist. That little bit of familiarity builds trust in the brand.

Come up with your name as if you're someone who thinks they're above all those immature weaboos, but desperately wants to appear cool to them. Ergo, make a cool-ish name that appeals to them without looking too puerile. Remember, you want them to look up to you as a venerable cool dude slightly more mature than them, not see you as a fellow piece of weeb trash. "Kitsumineko" is out of the question, but something like "Yuumei or "Fukari" are a gold mine.

For a single-word name, keep it between two or three syllables, four if it has a good rhythm to it. One syllable can sometimes work, but making something unique often results in consonant overload, which might hurt recognition with foreign money trees. On the flip side, the more syllables, the less likely they'll be able to type your name from memory, or even memorize it in the first place. Remember: you don't want them to think "That was some cool art," you want them to think "That artist Loish made some cool art."

One way is to find a word that fits a very, VERY vague theme you like, and if it doesn't sound cool enough or is too long, either take its coolest-sounding morpheme, or run it through a translator until it becomes cool. Then Google search that word to make sure it isn't a euphemism for cock. Failing that, pick a number one through twelve from an Asian language. Combine your word with another short, familiar word, or just prefix/suffix it with short gibberish until it rings cool.

The first time I saw pussy was in a life drawing session with 23.

>>2597785
One final thing: avoid goofy names. Put yourself in the shoes of a typical Cool Art consumer: why would you trust your commission of Some Hot Video Game Chick Doing Something Unimaginative to some guy named TubeSockHank when there are dozens Sakimichans and DanteWontDies? Those latter guys really sound like they know their animes! "'TubeSockHank?' Naw, he probably draws all those old-fashioned western toons. Next!"
Make all the jokes you want, but when your name's a joke, you're a joke.

I sometimes masquerade as Nosebro here to get flamed, it makes me feel better seeing as I see myself as pretty shitty anyhow and feel llike I deserve the rage

I want instant popularity when I post a drawing on internet or I get discouraged

its called fun with a pencil but im not having fun

>>2597901
Needs more loomis

>>2595690
i'll make sure loomis is invited.

>>2597829
Absolutely this.

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>tried to get into art for awhile
>realized I can barely focus on anything at all
>beginning to wonder if I don't have add or something
>also realized I don't seem to actually internalize any details about objects at all other than color

>>2596578
So are you convinced you are literally the only gay man looking for a deep romantic connection? It's usually very stupid to assume you're the only person who does something. Just look at the whole thing with gay marriage and adoption rights and all that jazz.

You're getting into art. You're getting into the profession where it's literally the least problematic to be gay.

>>2591987
bitch please, try being a tranny. at least you got all the right parts and can find someone who will love you as you are.

>>2591821
talk about commitment!

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>>2586336
I'm afraid of drawing anime and cutesy stuff because I don't want to piss off /ic/

Help?

>>2597298
i didnt make the first one. But I guess i could make a cintiq only thread for normies who have jobs.

>>2598721
/ic/ isn't really against anime in general or anime styled art....
Draw for yourself, and draw whatever you want otherwise you won't make it.
besides..
I love cutesy shit, brehv

>>2598786
Then how come I see a lot of hate for anything that's anime related here?

>>2598825
>anything thats anime related

There are a lot of people here that draw anime or draw their styles from some kind of anime.

I think what you are seeing hate on is typical, overdone cliche work, and lots of this just happens to be in anime. Probably because anime is also overdone and lots of people who start drawing begin with anime.
This leads to more and more bad anime, but I doubt that anyone here would see a skilled anime artist and throw his skills into the garbo just because of his style.

Draw what you want or you won't be drawing very long. This doesn't mean you can skip fundies or grinding things you need to improve. Its just from personal experience...
...I wanna see cutesy

>>2598843
Thanks man, I never thought about it this way.

>>2589878
Being a spoiled brat an wasting a year of neet, I can understand that. But wasting a year of neet for nothing AFTER you had a job? Like, come on man, didn't you learn any time management before leaving, did you not learn anything about perseverance?

>>2594937
>write long ass respond comment
>delete it
>leave thread
my life

I deliberately mislead anons into thinking they are on the right track. I have these idiots chasing meme advice all year long. It's so easy when they have such an ego. And it's hilarious to see them flex their skills.

These artstation wannabes have no idea

>>2598967
l-looomis?
y-you came back from the dead?

>Doing concept art for first gig
>Startup so I'm getting paid minimum wage
>Only art guy
>Too slow to pump out a bunch of sick designs
>Do a couple and realize they are shit
>Boss likes them though
>Feels like I'm scamming and depressed I cant do better

>>2599002
Would it be alright if I asked you to post a sample of your work senpai? I wanna gauge at what art skill level should I try getting hired.

Also how did you land the job? Did you send your applications all over and they bit it or did they come to you?

>Feels like I'm scamming and depressed I cant do better
I'm pretty sure to the untrained eye, what you did is alright. That's how it always is, artists tend to lowball themselves a lot.

>>2598978
Ioomis wasn't mine.

I started the symbol drawing meme, draw from life meme, and the learn realism before stylization meme. I didn't invent those ideas I just made people believe in them to such absurdity.

>>2599032
oh wow youre like hundreds of years old?

>>2598721
/ic/ don't like anime when people chose this style by thinking it is the easiest and then don"t practice anatomy or anything

>>2591548
... why wouldn't you do this normally? When you're doing professional work the ONLY thing that matters is the end result. As long as the photo isn't copyright

I get annoyed by ADs quite easily. I had one guy that told me "to always stick to the reference" and one day out of nowhere he gets a stick up his ass and starting shitting out his mouth "Why did you just copy the photo? What's the point of having a concept if it's just a copy of the photo". I then forwarded him a dozen emails of him bitching about the concept not being what was in the photos.

Art directors are fucking worthless. Just stick to the technical shit you dumb fucks.

whats the point anymore

>>2598849
Honestly, if you just stay in the stylization thread you should be fine

>>2597441
who gives a fuck

>what are you drawing
>adam lanza with a rose crown
>lol wat? why
>man I don't know

seems like that would be the end of it amongst people who weren't spastics.

>>2597441
>>2599247
Better yet
>"What are you drawing?"
>"Oh, this? it's a boy with a flower crown. Just trying new things hehe..."
>"Isn't that Adam Lamza?"
>"Wait. Horee shiet! Now that you mention it it does look a bit like him"
>"Why though?"
>"I recently stumbled upon some article about him so I must've subonsiously been drawing him."
>"Seems fair."
>and they all fucked. The end.

>>2599034
You mad?

>>2599255
no im chill
why u mad tho?

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often i am afraid that an artwork i make will become a meme, but what i am afraid of more is posting it and being ignored

>>2600322
>posting it and being ignored
It is a pretty bad feel, that's how it goes with everything I post. I just want a butt pat or two..
N-no homo.

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>>2586336
I wish there was an actuall art board, one dedicated to contemporary art, art history and art practice, mostly towards visual arts... because this and other boards like this have always dissappointed me, I mean, I get there being a place for drafags and the like, I just wish for the ocassional serious art discussion and the obligatory meme threads withing a theme.

>>2586336
I used to believe the "doing drugs will make you a better artist" meme

[sp]I still do too many drugs[/sp]

>>2600385
>I just wish for the ocassional serious art discussion

Not possible. Check out /mu/ if you want to see the result of an anonymous "creative" community that isn't directed by a common goal of self-improvement. Opinion validation, pseudo-intellectualism and other forms of mental Autofellatio are best suited for reddit. At least there discussion is governed by le ebin upboats.

>>2600394
But that's the thing, what I wish for is pretty much /mu/ for art. We all know what 4chan is and why we are here for. I do think there are decent discussions about music in between everything else which is also welcome.

And overall I just don't share ic's standards of "improvement" the endless stream of perspective and human figure drawing is tiresome, and the apparent thought of it having any higher value is dull. I think ic is at it's best when it understands it's really an illustration board. If ever have I enjoyed anything here is threads on concept art and set dessign. Very much designer skills.

>>2600403
>notgonnamakeit

>>2600403
>But that's the thing, what I wish for is pretty much /mu/ for art

Be very careful what you wish for senpai

and FYI, /ic/ already has threads for art appreciation and discussion, and those threads are basically dead. There just isn't as much that a regular person can talk about concerning visual art compared to music unless it concerns artistic technique. An entire board dedicated to, what essentially boils down to chatting, would be superfluous as fuck.

I had lost interest in art for a few months but I'm fully back at it only because I gave myself the challenge to buy a 3DS and Pokémon Sun only with money gotten through art. I came for the Loomis but I'm staying for the money. I have no fucking idea how I'm going to do that, I wish there was a site with people requesting stuff I could just drop by and deliver.

>>2588748
He's quite overrated for an abstract expressionist. Overall I just don't buy into the chamanism shit coming from and egocentric white dude. The car lacker is a nice touch tho.

>>2600418
Have you joined LAS or Unmotivated Losers?

>>2600421
I haven't lurked enough through them. Do they have info on how to be a professional jew with art, links to people hiring artists? or are they just groups for unmotivated people? because I don't lack motivation, I can sit down and have fun drawing. It's just that for now, I really want to see if I'm good enough to make money with it, that's my current focus. Doesn't sound like UL or LAS have that specific info though.

>>2597496
Take comfort in the fact that you're not alone.

I want to be really good at art without the learning grind

>>2586336
Shameful request, can any d/ic/k friend modify OP's gif and change Pepe for the shape of a woman or a girl, or just a slender human with long hair?

>>2594214
funny, the stuff genuinely helps me out, although not for the reasons normally listed

whenever i post on a thread it gets deleted

>>2603074
Oh shi-

>>2600683
The OP is already edited from that.

https://optimisticunderground.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/efbc92efbc98efbc91efbc94-e696b0e38197e38184e697a5e381aee8aa95e7949f-animated-album-cover-by-kidmograph.gif

>>2599014
Sorry m8. I don't like posting my stuff here much.

But I got the job by going to a convention. I tried mailing my portfolio to any place I could and heard nothing but rejections back. The important thing is to really get out there and make connections in person.

If you are good enough, you can still get hired through the web easy. For everyone else, I think it helps to be face to face with your future employer.

It's basically about being really good or being really lucky.

>>2603074
its happening

>>2595002
Nah m8 you're wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvag1uaL6_s

>>2603115
thank you

I should be studying for a math test tomorrow but instead I am drawing and lurking on /ic/

Even the beginner thread is out of my league. I don't even post anymore because I want to be a pro before asking for feedback.

I never post my tumblr on /ic/ because I don't want my name being connected to 4chan

>>2586336
when i post my art i secretly want to be trolled and meme'd

>>2597292
fuck u skank
MARRY ME U FITHY WHORE
I WANT TO CUM ON OR HYMEN ON OUR WEDDING NIGHT

>>2604220
Moms gonna freak!

>>2604526
Post your art and I will do my best :^)

>>2586336
I love locon's art. Here I said it.

>>2586336
i called a guy out for tracing his paintings on deviantart

im 99% sure he traced or even just used photo filters and he passed them off as his "paintings"

there were other drawings he did where the characters looked like blantant 3d models with a gray filter and he said they werent

i made a gif of how i used filters and got a really similar effect that he did and comparing it to his picture

i posted it on a 4chan cringe thread and someone posted it onto his deviantart page

soon after that he deleted his account

i feel bad about it

>>2591232
>>2597374
>10 days ago
>6 days ago

4 days is 96 hours, so check-every-5-mins anon over there will have checked this thread like 1152 times. Why didn't you respond sooner anon? He was waiting so long.

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>>2586336

Pretty much exclusively draw porn at this point, with occasional trips into sketching D&D characters for people. Nowhere near the skill level I'd hoped to be because I was lazy about improving and then had a baby. Now I feel like I can't spend as much time on it because I'm afraid my toddler will feel neglected. I still draw when I can though, even if it is mostly dicks on short ladies of various color.

>>2598699
>my life is harder than yours faggot
>>>/lgbt/

>>2598699
The difference is that your mental illness is easier to cure.

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>>2591987
You should come out. That's what I did and now I have a qt bf who I can draw stupid stuff for~

>>2605599
Ok I'm just gonna take a guess that you're Atryl? Nice double dubs btw

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>>2605808

Oh fuck I wish, Atryl is fucking amazing. Nah, I'm pretty much a no-name by comparison, especially since the last couple years I've been spottily posting things, and my art is -no- where near that level.

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I dated a guy I met off /ic/ and broke up with him a year ago. I often wonder if he's still here.

>>2606087
I'm here bby I'm always here waiting for u to return to me
I wanna make ur anus blush once again

>>2591987

You aren't missing much. The lifestyle might be fun, but all you do is have sex with strangers. A lot of people in the community don't have platonic relationships. They mistake that lack of fulfillment for a homophobic upbringing, so they constantly try to change society, government, partners, or kinks, only to remain the same way they were before.

>>2586336
I force memes and have anons to believe stupid shit about drawing.

>>2605266
Can you post that gif ?

>>2605599
Do you get commissionned anyway ?

>>2595662

Everyone starts out just as shit as everyone else, anon. Doesn't matter how skilled you are when you begin, it matters how you manage your time and dedicate your effort to learning, which will determine how good you are two years from now. By the time you're 30 you could be capable of making art that would blow you away today, but only if you focus and work diligently during that time. Otherwise, you'll either see no improvement, or some improvement that will quickly stagnate.


The fastest way to learn is to fail. Want to learn how to draw people? Fail at drawing people for six months, paying attention to WHY each attempt failed, and after six months you'll be drawing better people than 90% of /ic/. Also, don't feel like you have to 'finish' a drawing, the moment you feel like you aren't learning anything or are just polishing a turd you should drop that piece and start on a new drawing, going through the constructive process and so forth every time. This will help you improve your fundamentals at a greatly accelerated pace compared to working two hours or more on every single artwork you produce. Once your stuff is getting genuinely good, showing good volumes, perspective, proportions, and so forth, then it actually makes sense to continue to work on those pictures to get something more closely resembling a 'finished' piece. You could also at this point start going back through your older stuff if you saved it, and generally identifying and fixing problems, as a means of helping you train to spot mistakes and not allow your brain to trick you into not seeing them.

There's my two cents, hopefully it helps. Remember, no art book or series of tutorial videos or even school can replace dedicated, diligent practice. Practicing often, and being self aware enough to know what you should be practicing, are what makes a great artist.

>>2592977
Girome?

>>2606375

I have, though I've had to pull back from taking commissions recently.

>>2598922
It was probably all an excuse to leave his job because he was lazy and couldn't be arsed with it

>>2594937
>>2595011
yes, please post them, for the benefit of everybody else. I regularly lurk and learn plenty from other people's mistakes and alternative perspectives about how to do things or self-critique.

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>>2598948

I don't know why Merc Wip is a meme. i get the circumstances around it's posting, but I'm not sure if it's a meme because it's really good, or bad, or because it's the one time someone on /ic/ actually posted work in response.

>>2591061
>I like knocking them down when I can
kek I'm like that with soccer, nothing feels better than making someone with a huge ego look like shit

I finally made a patreon. I am still conflicted about it but I rather get paid doing what I already do, and I am crunched for time and money. Feels like I have no choice but to dive head first into it. I already update every week so it shouldn't be too bad.

>>2608595
"bald space marines" have become so generic due to that type of character being over represented in modern video games and that artwork of the "merc_wip" was just so extremely bland and generic that it was funny.

>>2608719
Let's be honest, merc_wip guy is technically skilled than the majority of /ic/, me included. And you know how /ic/ spergs out when someone of high skill level posts work.

I've started and quit drawing like 20 times. I just never get past symbol drawing. I enjoy drawing and the process, but the disonnect from my mind's eye and what comes out is so jarring and frustrating.

>>2608721
it's the fact that he's technically competent that made it so funny, all he could show from his efforts was reposting the same dead looking generic merc

>>2586336
I'm having an existential crisis because for my whole life I've wanted to be an artist. Ever since highschool began I slowly just stopped drawing. I've graduated now and I want to jump back in, but too many things are holding me back in addition to my own laziness and not feeling good enough. I have so many pieces I want to post that I haven't because I'm afraid it's not a good time or no one will like it. I haven't posted anything in a year. I'm just not happy with my life in general and it's stopping me from seeing and talking to my many close friends or showing people my art.

>>2608743
Did we ever find out who merc_wip guy is? I actually want to follow him

>>2608746
Go with what you want to do anon. I tried to not draw for awhile but then there was nothing left I wanted to do.

Have been severely depressed and suicidal on and off for years. Lately it's gotten considerably worse. I study animation at university, it's all I've ever really wanted to do. It was the only thing I cared about. As a socially inept worthless autist that was bullied horrendously at school and dropped out of my former college course it felt good to be in an environment where people wanted me in their groups because they knew I brought the overall grade up of any group I joined. I worked constantly, I barely slept but I enjoyed it. I made a genuine friend for the first time. I was awarded the highest mark my professor had ever given in that module. I fucking hated myself, but I liked working and that was all that mattered to me. Gave me something to work towards, improve on.

Depressive episode worsened in around November of last year and I haven't come out of it since. Daily panic attacks, often multiple a day. Failed winter-summer semesters due to non-submission, stopped showing to class. All entirely my fault. Professor contacted me out of concern and worked out an alternative that I would work over the Summer to make up for it, which I'm doing now. I still managed to screw that up because I'm a fucking idiot.

Lately I can't even focus long enough to get even a sketch for a piece done. I can't make myself care anymore. I just want to die, contemplate killing myself every day. I just want my motivation back. I'm a piece of shit and the quality of my work has declined considerably.

i havent drawn in about 2 weeks. should i kms?

>>2609435
No, draw yourself killing yourself, then keep drawing.

>>2609432
Have you talked to a doctor about this? Or do you not have insurance?

>>2609435
kill yourself by drawing

>>2608749

It's Andrew Sonea.

>>2609432
This is basically my exact story. Went from winning national awards to fucking up my classes and taking extensions into the summer, which I am currently fucking up on..

>>2609432
If you're gonna kill yourself, post your art first so we can tell you how much you suck. you can take that two ways, be an affirmation to off yourself or take it personally and strive harder to prove us shitbags how wrong we are.

>>2609828
You too faggot

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I keep stopping myself from drawing stuff because the idea of it is not something new. If somebody else in the world has had the same idea I won't draw it and when I get an idea what to draw I google it and if somebody has had the same idea I won't draw it because of the fear of being called a hack.

For this reason I rarely draw anymore.

>>2610076
I hate this feel.

>>2609821
Andrew Sonea is a human god

>>2610076
I got over this feel by just saying "Well, mine's gonna be strictly better".

Sometimes overcomplicates things, but i gets me to draw.

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tfw you see porn you drew years ago

>>2610076
i really really know that feel, but you just have to ignore it. just draw it anyways. odds are it's different *enough*, or even better, as you work on it it'll evolve into something different and better. so yeah, just do it anyways

>>2609678
I live in the UK/Ireland, and have been to a doctor regarding this, prescribed me medication, but admittedly it hasn't worked for me at all. Not much they can do but move doses up or change medication. Been to a few therapists, didn't help much whatsoever. Ironically my mother is one, we aren't very close. I see a private psychiatrist on and off who helped organise the extension for University, but I can't afford to see her regularly. Art used to help.

>>2609828
I hope things pick up for you, anon. What are you studying?

>>2610037
Perhaps. Nothing to lose at this point.

>>2606364

Sadly you are actually right. I decided to star my life over and stay away (as much as possible) of that lifestyle. So empty and without any deep meaning or relevance.

It is not what the tv shows say it is.

>>2610344
This thread is dying nigger, better hurry up.

i used a projector in school and have traced every painting i have ever made since then

>>2609432
i think you still are not a mess because you didn't get drugged out i know a lot of smart kids in school who were so good but guess what adderral ritalin caffeine powders and now they are literal vegetables like they sleep at their desk and when they are awake they just stare at the facebook sign in page without logging in for hours on end, then they drool on themselves and their faces are all sweaty and red from sleeping on their desks so dont worry anon, nothing in school or burnout or work really matters- as long as you don't kill yourself you've won