/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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this thread needs less men

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>>2559596
u gay or something?

>>2559584
>Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

>>2559613
So rather than doing a lot of figure drawing from reference would it better to learn make a figure from basic geometric shapes?

Would learning to draw them as basic shapes first help or should i just continue with figure drawing?

>>2559615
both

I swear I go from "Wow I am actually learning something" to "I'm never going to make it" or "I'm never going to make it" to "Wow I am actually learning something"every day I draw.

Fuck.

>>2559577
This isn't related to art specifically, but it's a good video nevertheless for beginners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtlXc5quCY

does this figure look fine. im going to paint the figure then also use it as a model for clothing and shit

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>>2559637
fuck

>>2559640
i remember you

how's your heads going from last time

>>2559628
Strangely motivating.

>>2559644
huh what

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>>2559580
It's been weeks since I've drawn at all. Eugh. I really want to master inking but I really need to study values first. What else am I getting wrong?

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>>2559640
>>2559647
is this you

>>2559662
nope i was in that thread though i think just didn't do the studies

>>2559280

Where?

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critiques on this so far?

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how'd I do?

>>2559656
anatomically the face is placed alright. You generalize and simplify too much, though. Examples: the wrickles in the forehead, the right eye, etc.
The only drawn eye makes it seem he's looking at us when in the reference he's looking to the left. That'll have to be changed.
The mouth should not look like a shitty anime mouth where it's only on one side of the face.

Cross-hatching: Study Leonardo Da Vinci's drawings or any other famous artists. They all have beautifully done drawings.
here's an example: http://arttattler.com/Images/NorthAmerica/California/Los%20Angeles/Getty%20Museum/Hatched/02-gm_32004501.jpg

Keep practicing, man. Even if it's 30mins to an hour every day. It'll all start to make sense soon enough.

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>>2559580

>>2559596
at least post better pictures with more interesting light and shadows that have not had the form airbrushed out

>Draw 1-2 hours every day, practice mostly
>Just constructing heads and getting better at body parts
Am I retarded to do this? I mean, would it be better to study full body photos instead of arm, then leg, then chest etc.?

>>2559888
>study full body photos
just add that into your routine family man!

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>>2559817
>>2559580

>>2559888
no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

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just

>>2559910
muh dick... !

31231231312

>>2559656
curvature of the nose seems a little off. overall i think it's a fine effort. how long did it take?

>>2559921
>>2559925

quality /ic/ feedback as usual.

I did a re-paint for someone here, but I'm not sure if I should post it because it's not really showing them much. Hell, it's not even that great, but I can't determine how helpful a re-paint really is.

>>2559976
was it for me?

>>2559772
Thanks for the feedback. I should have flipped the image a bit, I didn't realise the eye thing until you pointed it out. I'll keep on trucking.

>>2559945
I think it took me about 10-15 minutes but im not sure.

does everyone here just get good through self teaching + practice or has anyone found online material especially helpful?

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Ignore the shitty colors. I raped the picture with the sharpen tool for fuck knows what reason. Don't really know what I was thinking

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Everytime I try to draw more advanced forms like humans I find I simply cannot do it and I get very frustrated. I'm going back to basics to see if I actually understand things like perspective like I think I do. Some days are two steps forwards, other days are two steps back.

>>2560007
i try my best to find youtube demos from artists on certain concepts and refer back to them if i'm stuck on a book

>>2560034
try proko. He makes good videos

>>2560034
How good are you at drawing simple 3d shapes?

>>2559577
http://imgur.com/a/NMKPw
nobody replied last thread so maybe ill try again, any criticism helps

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I have been doing a lot of just doodling shifty cartoon shots but decided to take 5-10 minutes and draw my mouse that was sitting on my bed near me

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lemme try that again...
do these mspaint boobs / tan lines make sense?

>>2560175
Left one looks like it's experiencing zero grav and right one looKS too round and too large in comparison. I like what you did with the nips though

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>>2560174
I also made this a few days back while I was having a bit of a hard-on for the old ps2 game Okami. I would like some criticism on that mouse drawing though. Its my first try to do anything like that

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>>2560181

>>2560205
Wow, I never thought of that. Thanks for that insight.

>>2560205
I drew it on a phone BTW, that's why it's that way. My Note 5 is annoying when I draw on it in any other fashion

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>>2560181
>>2560285
I'm going to assume you're not going to rotate it yourself, so I'll do it for you.

>>2560330
Thanks, m8. I wasn't too bothered by it. But it does look better like that. Much appreciated.

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Hey all. trying to get into concept art. having a hard time getting people to respond to me for critiques. could i get some opinions on my stuff? thank you

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last one

>>2560171
I'm not very good but you certainly seem to have some of the basics down and I feel that could sense a stir emerging from the way you drew your strokes. I enjoyed looking at those

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How's this?

>>2560423
wait a second this style, I have seen it before [spoiler]Schatte ?[/spoiler]

>>2560428
Nope sorry.

>>2559713
impressed that you're still working on this, i remember you from several threads ago.

your lighting seems inconsistent. the building in the background shouldn't be casting any kind of shadow on the ground, especially with the way the columns are illuminated. same for the columns of the building in the front here, the way the base of each column is shaded isn't consistent and it actually looks like they're floating above the top step. you really need to determine where your light source is coming from. actually i'm not sure what those front columns are doing at all. there seems to be two of them stuck together at each instance? or is one supposed to be behind the other?

just an extra comment, but i'm not sure why you have columns on that building in the background? clearly decorative, but it doesn't frame anything, and also neither one has a base. the windows also seem a bit close to the roof but that's my take on it. i can't determine whether anyone could even see out of those windows. oh, and those are very narrow steps.

>>2560398
should make sure you have a solid idea of where you want your light source to come from. This picture makes it look like you have random light hitting one spot but not effecting other parts of... whatever this is. Forest? Cave? The fact that I can't tell where I am in this picture is a bad sign.

The highlight on the ground looks as if it's floating. I'd adjust your perspective, add detail, and make sure you've thought of all possible sources of how the light would be effecting each (rock? branch?).

Hope this helps you get gud

>>2560171
your messy lines bother me, but it's whatever. Some people like that and think it's artistic.

Only part I can really critique would be that you draw your eyes too small sometimes. Most pictures seem to be proportionally correct but you have slip ups. You also generalize a bit to much.

Should challenge yourself by drawing a realism piece instead of cartoons.

>>2560453
thanks alot friend. quesion for you, or anyone else who could answer. how do i give my brushstrokes purpose? ill often try to sketch something, and it just ends up looking like a huge mess, with no lines really leading anywhere. i know a sketch is supposed to be messy, but even when trying to refine things, i cant make any lines/strokes that actually help define whatever is it im trying to make

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>>2560463
No problem.
I think I understand your next question.
The best way to make a single brushstroke have purpose is to really look at the subject you're painting. Exam it. Every part of it. The ear, what's around the ear, the value of lining of the ear, inner ear, the hair, etc.
For example would be the picture in my post. Lucian Freud really look at every detail of his face. The change in value from his upper cheek bone to below the cheek bone where the change in value gives off the solid illusion of depth on his face. Or, his nose, he gives 4 white highlights where either side of this piece has darker values of similar colors.
Another trick that is used in this picture is the color change in his painting. In the Shadowed areas he uses blues, grays, and greens and on the brighter parts he uses a lot of orange and yellows.

>>2560459
>>2560411
thanks guys, ill keep what you said in mind

>>2560436
i get distracted and start working on other stuff. all good points about the lighting, i havent actually settled on it yet. at first i was going for the it coming from almost perpendicular but i decided to try for it coming from above and from the left. i might keep it like that so ill fix the shading on the wall. the wall decorations are just for show, good point on them needing a base, i couldnt figure out what was off. i was really inspired by sunlight and shadow by albert bierstadt. as for the steps. youre right, they could use some reworking. the problem i had before was there were too few steps but then that cause problems with the scale of the rotunda to steps. thanks a lot of the critique.

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>>2559580

>>2559896
Didn't your mother ever teach you not to go outside the lines?

>>2559976
Post it. Stop being afraid of being shit, everybody in this thread is.

>>2560007
'Online material' aka all the books and videos you've pirated are necessary if you want to make significant progress.

How do people critique cartoons? Is it even possible? Any odd perspective or proportion can be answered with "well duh it's a cartoon".

>>2560647
>how do judges convict murderers?
>is it even possible?
>Any murder can be answered with "no ur lying did not"

there is such a thing as bad art anon

how does this look? im mostly worried about the figure, not so much the face. ill finish the hands and feet later so dont bother. hurry pls im trying use this a model for clothing designs and such

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>>2560691
fucking hell

What do people think of Sycra's Iterative Drawing technique? Can it be used to get better at drawing from reference or is it only for drawing from imagination?

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>>2560753
As a feng shill, I'd have to say understanding of 3d shapes is a more worthwhile investment.

That way you can draw your chair from any angle, upside down, or even exploded. Whereas Sycra can only draw the chair facing him. Turn it around? Redo the whole technique from step one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDNhFLcsgh8

>>2560753
It's good for finding a style and doing some things from imagination. For observation, not at all.

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Designing a unit for my indie game. Can I get some critiques or thoughts? Sorry for the somewhat blurry pic.

>>2560755
>>2560763
Ok, some more stuff to think about.

>>2560773
seems pretty basic.

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Child of Hampton-sama

Crits appreciated

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Phone drawer here, how bad is it? pls be gentle.

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Wanted to focus on linework, so did no shadows

>>2560872

How much time have you spent on those?

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>>2560882
Forgot to resize

>>2560884
Figs are long like 30? mins. Heads are like 15 why?

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I'm reading Loomis and trying they very first exercise. I've never drawn anything in my life, never doodled, got an exemption for art at school, so I'm the definition of a beginner

I'm trying his first exercise and I'm kind of stuck. I can't get cheeks right. Obviously I can't get anything else right either but cheeks have me stumped.

>>2560925
How exactly do you go about an exemption in art class? Usually they should be electivesz

How can i learn to draw cool scenes for game of thrones and like ancient roman battle scenes and stuff

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>>2559580
>> plz kill me

>>2560928
I'm Scottish so it's a bit different. It was compulsory for the first 3 years of secondary school. Basically I just said to the teacher "Hey I can't draw and really have no desire to" and she was all like "eh, okay, I guess go do homework or something"

>>2560932
Study environments, perspective, composition, and master gesture to pull off realistic poses.

Get back to me in two years.

>>2560936
K see ya bro

>>2560935
try blowing into one of the penis ballsack bags you guys have until asphyxiation then have another go with a clear mind

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Getures gestures gestures

>>2560987
Looking fluid, my dude

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Ignoring the hair, what do you think?

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>>2559580

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>>2560330

>>2560879
not great. anatomy is wrong and the line weight doesn't make sense (though i can understand how that'd be hard to control on a phone)
work on anatomy before you start stylising

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2 tumblr?

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Am I still thinking in 2d? I cant seem to quite get it right still.

>>2561239
stop drawing anime and draw from life, the space around you is far easier to translate into 3D forms than a heavily symbolized style

>>2561239
don't use that dog-shit guide. go through prokos videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U

>>2561239
the head is a sphere, so features wrap around it, rather than being placed on a flat plane on it.

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where does this fit in ?

>>2560987
Are these 30s? Not connecting the lines and the symmetrical legs are really a flow killer.

>>2561239

ayy lmao

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>>2559580

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>>2559577
Practicing vilppu's manual, chapter 3.

>>2561280
in the dumpster.

>>2561280
The Recycle Bin.

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Literally my first painting.
DESU, it's rushed and it's pretty ass.

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>>2559584
hair is hard

>>2561244
no they dont ahahaha holy shit dont do that with my name

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I'm having a lot of trouble calculating the perspective of objects that are rotated on both the axis AND y axis. For x axis rotation all the horizonal lines are the same and for y axis rotation all the vertical lines are the same, so those are easy. But I cannot wrap my head around the cube in the top right of my picture. Every attempt looks off.

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How do I into mannequin?

>>2561621

extend the lines to the vanishing point

>>2561629
Did you watch proko's mannequization video?

>>2561639
No, I guess I should now.

>>2561640
Definitely. And it's followed up by a couple example drawings using the method so you get a whole view of it. Just make sure you're comfortable drawing shapes in 3d in any angle.

>>2561473
You're drawing in symbols, go read the sticky.

So I've been practicing heads for a while (and figures for that matter) and I can draw individual pieces decently, but when I try to draw a whole head with all the features it looks terrible. What am I doing wrong here?

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>>2561621
hope this helps (just be mindful this is coming from a fellow /beg/)
if you're drawing in two point, just converge two sets of parallel lines to two different vanishing points on the same horizon line. check out drawabox btw, it's where i got that image from

>>2561662
Post work. Can you draw a skull? I think it is good to learn how to draw human from the inside out.

>>2561666
Looks wrong to me. There is no way that box is accurate if it has 3 perfectly vertical lines. Drawabox is what led me to this, I noticed he cannot draw angled boxes correctly and I don't want to end up like that.

>100 word essay due tomorrow
>im sitting here drawing figures

im so fucked

>>2561685
>100 word
lol

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anybody got a good infograph or whatever for drawing eyes?

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>>2561724
small but it's something. basically just feel the 3d

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>>2561725

>>2561725
>>2561729
thanks

>>2561729
i didnt know the cornea was concave

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>>2559580

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>>2561742

That's the iris

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>>2560178
is this an improvement?

do the boobs make sense now?

>>2561676
yeah you're right, my bad. i knew his vertically and horizontally rotated boxes were shit but i guess i just figured his method was still accurate. i think i got it now though, thanks!

>>2561767
No. Just start a new picture instead of fiddling with one that's already incorrect. Doxxy has a bunch of good info graphs for boobs and porn drawing in general, you should google for them.

>>2561769
very well

>>2560403
this one's pretty perspectively challenged. That point that reaches the top, that's the peak of a mountain, no? Which means that your shrine is popping out the side, which is just kinda weird.
Either that or I'm misinterpreting it pretty badly in which case you should redo that one entirely

>>2560398
>>2560401
>>2560403
too simple and messy to even see what it is. concept landscapes isnt just scribbling, you still have to try. check out feng zhu youtube account

i want to learn to draw, but i feel completely overwhelmed and directionless every time i set out to self-teach. i guess it's just a matter of picking a book, ignoring everything else and just drawing everything in there, but it seems like every time i set out to do that i end up second-guessing myself until i eventually give up.

should i consider taking a class?

>>2561789
>should i consider taking a class?
No.

It's more about just drawing everyday even if it's just for an hour. If you want to be accurate, just take your time and measure.

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>>2559596
Something i've taken unto myself. I'm trying to get used to drawing faces of different races and color.

>>2561789
Don't think that going to a class will circumvent bad discipline. Classes are mostly things that can refine an already good mindset.

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>>2561801
What helped me is learning the differences in skulls. Its easy to draw a white person with dark skin and get irritated at why they don't look black.

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>>2561801
not specifically faces, but very relevant

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>>2561812

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>>2561673
Here, I just drew this real quick, it's a bit rushed but probably wouldn't make a difference. I've drawn skulls before but I've never done full studies before and memorized it. Also side note, I seem to be able to draw heads completely from the side worlds better than at any other angle.

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Gesture and textures, what and I doing wrong and what am I doing right /beg/

>>2561808
well that's why i observe the faces. Black people having bigger noses and lips is already a way to know the difference.

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>>2559577
What are the fundamentals for sculpting, and what books are know to be proven helpful for working with oil based clay? I have been posting in the book thread as well as the ceramics thread. However, I feel as though since I was not replied to, that maybe I have been posting in the wrong area. Any help would be appreciated.

>>2561866
your textures are looking kinda wonky. Textures aren't just designs on surfaces, it's what the surface is made of. And I'm not sure what textures a lot of those are supposed to be, and the main point of textures is to make it more immediately obvious what kind of thing you're looking at

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This is so frustrating. I feel as if I am fucking regressing so hard. Can't even do a fucking simple 3/4 anime head or torso or anything.

>>2561900
>weebshit

there's your answer

>>2561900
frist of all try drawing a circle properly for once in your life before you use that circle for anything else???

>constructs with onion shapes
OH GEE I LOOMISsED AND EVERYTHING WHATS WRONG

>>2561944
Actually my circles are pretty decent but the ones in that picture are bad examples and me being irritated.

>>2561947
move up a thread

>>2561947
yeah this is really decent congrats man

could we have /beg/-thread for Scenery/Seascapes/Landscapes/Architecture?

this field seems way more different than figure drawing, specially when it comes to perspective.

>>2561984
feel free to start it, i wouldn't object

>>2561899
Abdominal muscles are not an oval divided into 6 pieces anon, stop drawing symbols and draw what you see.

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>>2559580

lads how can i solidify my forms here, something feels off

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>>2562007
Ahh shit sorry forgot to rescale file my bad chaps

>>2562009
Also I feel like the perspective/facial proportions are off from the nose to the lower jaw, I think it's the mouth not 'wrapping' around the face to match the planes of head structure,compared to the brow.

>>2561999
Looks like you traced it.
> nice trips

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>>2562010
yeah you're right about some of the perspective lines not being parallel. if you get those right and treat the major planes of the face as a box having everything on each plane be parallel, you should have something solid. the hairline and the mouth seem like the biggest offenders here. the nose isn't really clear and it's too easy for it to be interpreted as not parallel too.

also you probably weren't thinking about it but the tangents in the neck make everything below his chin completely 2d

>>2560008
stop.

Pencil and paper. That's all you need for the next year or so. Go outside and learn whether you hate or love drawing.

>>2562027
I just try copy it the best i could, now i see the hat is fucked up a little

How do I start on portraits? I can't seem to sketch the outline of the faces without messing up the proportions and making it too wide or too circular etc. On full body drawings it isn't such a problem as the face is small enough that I can draw it and work out the proportions for the rest of the picture from there. But when it's just a headshot I can't get the initial oval to work.

>>2562085
Trace the outline and try to fill in the inside structures, then draw it again using those structures.

>>2562091
so draw an egg or whatever and then an eye for example, then draw internal features relative to the eye and then the head outline relative to the features?

>>2561881
Thank you very much anon, I like the critic, I will work on the textures more with your advice. Anything to say about the gestures ?

>>2562093
wow no use a reference

>>2562093
it's best to get to a point where you can do a convincing and consistent generic realistic head before going into drawing faces from imagination. just go through prokos videos on drawing the head from any angle, then the features. and if you can find it, go through vilppus head drawing lectures.

if you make sure you don't skip steps and spend the appropriate amount of time on each one (e.g. post your loomis heads here and get critiques before moving on) you should be able to do really nice heads in no time

>>2561405
anyone who worked on vilppu got any tips?

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>>2561990

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I wish I can copy better and take more time/effort on them

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>>2559580
i tried not doing construction, but i fucked up pretty bad from the start with general proportions. i think i squished the nose and the hat placement is off, what else though?

>>2562238
also his eye make it look like he's looking behind him and not in front. i couldn't figure that out

>>2561988

I'm a beginner myself, I think anyone with more experience could make an actual helpful OP for such a thread.

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>>2559580
I know the face and the shading is off but a critique would be welcome.

>>2562238
that nostril..

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>>2559580

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>>2559577

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>>2559587

boy, did I feel unconfortable drawing this and not only because I fucked up the proportions.

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>>2559580

>>2562301
This is quite good, but looks absolutely fucking nothing like the reference.

>>2559730
The values seem reasonable to me, the underlying drawing leaves a little to be desired. Work on that construction.

>>2562498
yah I really need to practice drawing what what i see, i'm just so used to drawing from imagination

>>2562172
i like it for what it is.

Is there more to getting your hand to draw what you want it to than just practice? I've been at this for four months now, I can draw straight lines in the directions I want. It takes me several tries to get the curve, ellipse, or S I want every single time I try though, and even then it's not exactly what I want, just "close enough". I just tried drawing a circle 30 times, and got 5 I would consider acceptable. Is there a trick to this? I've watched how Peter Han and Proko hold a pen, I emulate that. I've never had anywhere near this much trouble getting my arm to play an instrument, even at top level, or consistently execute in fighting games.

I already know the answer is "practice more", but I'd at least like confirmation that it really is just bullshit.

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finally made something decent with pencil!
Any pointers?

>>2562565
see what you draw as you hear what you're playing on an instrument and make the corresponding changes to your execution of the task.

>>2562566
have you tried charcoal? the shading could be a lot smoother and natural with it. that's not a criticism of your shading as you are limited by the medium in this case

>>2562566
are you using more than one pencil? this looks like it was entirely drawn in like 6B or something, which isn't bad, but it's good to have the full range of values. plus you can go lighter than what you arleady have.

>>2562565

your muscles and tendons are not used to certain movements, not used to apply force in certain angles and positions, that is why your body gets into a more familiar position by moving the shoulder for example, some people just rotate the paper or move their whole upper body. You feel how your wrist tenses up as soon as it get closer to a certain position, same with the shoulder or any other part of your body in general.

In short, yeah practice more is the only way. If you do it slowly, you'll even feel the tension rising in your muscles and that is where you just fuck up as your movements become rigid and lose precision. I think the best way is trying to be relaxed and even sport helps but not solely weight lifting, which increases the rigidity of your body.

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any opinions/critiques? yah i know the anatomy is all horribly off.

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Who else /struggling/ here? It's been 7 month since I discover /ic/ I told myself I was going to post a progression pic after a year in december but my progression it's been pathetic I keep drawing this faces naturally.

>>2562694
Work on drawing what you actually see. Try drawing some upside down pictures of faces. This way you will be drawing what you see more than your brains picture of a face which is what you're doing now

>>2562260
i'm 3month and i make these threads. all you do is make a pretty op and gather a couple refs for people to study

>>2562694
that's not your work right?

have you been forgetting to apply yourself for 7 months?

>>2562170
It looks better but you're still not drawing what you see. Look at his right nipple, it's not displayed in the picture because it's in shadow. His pose means the right side of his abs isn't clearly defined and you need to draw in the creases of his skin at his waist.

>>2562449
I'm a complete noob but i don't think there is supposed to be a clear line between shadows and highlights on that pear. Try for a more gradual blend between light and dark.

>>2562588
I used HB for almost the whole thing, but added some lines with a normal mech pencil after a while. I struggled a lot with keeping things light, cause the HB seems impossible to add gently... what would be a good approach regarding pencils and doing this kind of drawing?

>>2562617
No, never. But I have an unused set at home, maybe I'll crack it.

>>2562813
Was meant for
>>2562620

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E3 Sony Conference fever dream produced this.

>>2562662
love the style of hatching. Reminds me of Berserk.

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Pointers?

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>>2559584
Shading...Wow...

>>2562934
looong face

>>2562886
his skull shouldn't be going that far back

>>2562951
You are right. Looking at the reference tumbnail next to my image. I placed the mouth too low and elongated everything else, I think.

>>2562694
Read "drawing on the right side" by Betty Edwards. You can't obtain it for free from alternative sources, it will fix your problem.

>>2562861
aw man thank you, I loved that manga so that means allot

>>2561817
I look forward to taking a closer looks at these. Thanks!

>>2562979
can*

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>>2562934
>>2562951

Shorted the face (which caused the neck to be longer...) but is the face better now?

>>2563031
looks better but I had to twist my head sideways

>>2562662
As another artist thats been working on his ink strokes, gotta say I like your pic.

Ok, so contours overlap and lines don't, right?

Alrighty took like a six month break because I'm a quitter. Time to start once again, and succeed!

Thanks for the link. >>2559628

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any pointers/critique?

>>2563114
Is she supposed to have 3 fingers? Because it looks like she only has three fingers on her left hand

>>2562461
>tfw my fetish is muscle girls, so drawing men is almost my usual stuff except with broader waists and no boobs
Putting my cryptogay tendencies aside, you should first watch the angles and shapes, then compare them to each other, see how much bigger A is than B, at what height of X the Y ends and so on. And the most important stuff, take more than 5 minutes if you want it to be accurate. It's not a gesture drawing, correct your mistakes over and over again; you will not get it right at the first try unless you're considerably skilled already.

>>2563138
oh shit you right. i think the shading obscured the outline of the pinky finger. probably should have made the lines clearer.

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>>2561621

hey check this one out
>>474718

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>>2559580
Damn old man, your face is a fucking mess.

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>>2563185
oops
here it is
>>>/i/474718

>>2563187
>your face is a fucking mess
This made my day

>>2562857
Thought that was something from Madoka Magica

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What are some good daily practices I can do?
I need to do more angles and shit

Why do people practice drawing boxes?

>>2563365
try drawing any industrial-type environment (room with objects, street view with buildings, etc) without having perfected drawing basic shapes in perspective and you'd realize how difficult it is. everything is simple shapes with details built on top of them

>>2563369
If i was only interested in figure drawing should i also learn how to draw boxes?

>>2563373
Yes, because figure drawing uses boxes as construction lines.

>>2563373

If you can't draw an object made of straight lines in different perspectives, you won't be able to draw an object made of curves either.

>>2563376
Ok, should i use drawabox.com? Some anons earlier were saying it's shit.

>>2563384
It's good. But the reasons given for why you have to use a felt tip pen are bullshit. They're basically "if you use a pencil then you might use an eraser, and erasing is bad". The obvious answer to that is don't use an eraser. The REAL reason you shouldn't use a pencil is because graphite is a lubricant, so when you draw over the lines repeatedly the pencil will naturally stick to the previous line with less effort, which is cheating.

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>>2561666
vp 2 is too far away m8 fix that
and use a protractor
>left side
the proper perspective angle
y= will be the vanishing point
x= 3 or 2 point perspective
>right side
just an example what im implying

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Going through Loomis' figure drawing book right now, but can't memorize the arm's muscles.
Any advice?

>>2563486
Try another teacher. Hampton goes into way more detail than Loomis.

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>>2561899
trying my hand on this

>>2563486

Try different sources.

Burne Hogarth - Dynamic Anatomy (Revised and Expanded)
Simblet - Anatomy for the Artist
Goldfinger - Human Anatomy for Artists

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Just did the 20, 1 minute Gestures thing for the first time
Kinda hurt my hand

>>2563532
cool, do that session at least once every day, you'll get there eventually family man

>>2563541
They are proper gestures?
You can tell what they're meant to be?

>>2559599
>>2559587
>awkward poses

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What complementary scheme will go nicely with these four? I suck at color theory. Paletton shows pale yellow-green-teal suggestion, but I dunno.

>>2563581
that's a pretty gross colour scheme m8. go back to the books

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>>2559580
Didn't use the full pencil set so the values aren't nearly as pushed out as they should be. Any other critiques?

I'm also a noob, so feel free to complete ignore these comments:

>>2561336
Before moving to the features, try and make sure the orientation of the head is correct. In the picture, the man's head seems to be leaning back ever so slightly, pushing his chin a little more forward.

>>2562566
I like this. cool stuff

>>2562662
Like other anons have said the pen work is cool, but more than the anatomy the lack of form here is driving me crazy. The palm until the last knuckle should basically be a box and you need to convey that it's taking up that space.

>>2563185
cute
>>2563114
also p cute

>>2560773
It might be basic like the other anon said but I still like it quite a bit. I particularly like the talon details - cool stuff.

>>2560872
I really like these. Do you use Hampton for your faces too? I could never seem to get his approach alone to work for me that well.

>>2560887
Good stuff. Some of your lines are still a little hairy, and it looks like the weighting could be a bit more deliberately, but this is a good start. Keep chugging along

>>2561467
I think it's pretty good, I'll make it my new wallpaper, thanks.

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Made the PR chick from Nintendo E3 this morning. Whaddya think?

>>2562886
everything looks flat

the skull is looking straight to the right, the little button things on his jacket are looking at us directly as if he were facing us forward, the values are all over the place, his mask looks like a cardboard cutout, the bird has no volume either

also the hand is way too chunky, when it comes to drawing hands you want to draw the shape, not the symbol

also learn how to draw cloth, clothes are not uniformly straight and cylindrical like in your pic, there are tons of wrinkles and drapes when someone wears clothes

so my suggestion you is look up guides on how to create volume and how to properly draw clothing

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Started one of Loomis books.

>>2563706
Sexy

>>2563800
Lookin' good man

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Trying to make pictures with simple shapes cause I'm frustrated with human forms. Is this convincing?

>>2563816
use your guidelines, you are ignoring the horizon line. we shouldn't see the top surface of the base of the object

>>2563803
Cheers man! Hit an art block so I wanted to start the Loomis books

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gitting gud

>>2563045
thank you my dude

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shitty sketch

>>2563857
do you have the original image?

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>>2559580

>>2563875
There is no original image

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>>2559584
Same guy as in
>>2563643
I broke out the full pencil set but I think I'm gonna give up on this one, don't like where it's headed right now. Any tips for smoother tone with the softer pencils?

>>2563800
real nice stuff

>>2563643
Hes looking forward not sideways

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Eyes are suppose to look at the hand, I hope the figure isnt to tall this time.
I also experimented with shading a couple of times lateley but it just looks off unless I completley copy an image.

>can't draw gestures because i don't know proportion and anatomy
>can't learn anatomy and proportion without gestures

>>2563891
you should references to practice

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>>2559580
Did a reverse image search and found a higher rez version.

Proko's site is overwhelming. What do I do first?

>>2563933
>can't learn anatomy and proportion without gestures
..no

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>>2563951

>>2563933
Don't worry about anatomy right now if you are wrestling with proportions. make it your goal to have a proportioned gesture in your quick sketch. If you can't do that in 30sec don't worry up the time until you can. once you get that proportionate gesture down then you can move on to shape and form.

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>>2561899
I decided to give it a go as well, please give critique.

>>2563800
You should try constructing a bunch of your own

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>>2559580

>>2564001
I was gonna do that but I've hit a complete block these last few days so I was just following the book. Haven't drawn in awhile so I needed something to do.

>>2563997
damn those lines are good but your proportions are fucked. take a moment to take in the whole figure, you don't learn much about movement or proportion just by drawing a segment (you neglected his left legger there), the torso should have a stronger c curve to really emphasize the movement. when simplified, the line of action should essentially be a c curve from the head to the hip, with the motion leading through down to the ground. my biggest piece of advice to you is really just to take time to assess the whole pose before you put down information. your specific proportion problems are that his arms are hella long, cranium is kinda big, and his legs a bit tiny. keep up the good linework tho, looks rad.

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Where should I start learning to draw if all I can do is scribble weak scribbles from imagination while being unable to draw from life for shit?

I've heard it's best to dive right in, but my proportions and angles are wayyyy off when sketching real things, and that makes me feel like shit and boom I go back to my comfort zone.

Pic is a thing I made some time ago, digital because I'm a dumb fuck who got a drawing tablet thinking it will make me better at drawing.

>>2564070
Gesture drawing helps with getting proportions correct other than that you've just gotta draw figures and read some books like keys to drawing or Hamptons figure drawing. There are also videos of 1min + videos that replicate life drawing.

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Need help with the texture of the green mottled bronze. I have repainted this thing several times and just scraped it again. I cant figure out how to do the change in colors and maintain the appropriate values. Also when I try to just scribble how I think it should look it looks like organic vines or weird monster flesh and not rusted metal.

I am practicing with only hard and soft round brush and a limited pallet. I will not use layers, brushes, or photo textures for the purpose of this exercise.

>>2564092
your just using coool colours theres warm reds in your reference.

>>2563943
Personally I find it better to use smaller resolution photos when using a reference. It's harder to see the details so it forces me to think about what should be going on in the face based on the anatomy. I don't really like copying the reference exactly how it is, I like to use my imagination a bit.

>>2564092
>I am practicing with only hard and soft round brush and a limited pallet. I will not use layers, brushes, or photo textures for the purpose of this exercise
That's retarded, i can do this in seconds using stippled brush and a few blending modes. Why are you making this harder? Do you think it somehow makes you more of an artist? You're doing digital art, use the medium to your advantage.

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Question,
Im not trying to be spoonfed but whats better for learning a cartoon style. Drawing other cartoons or drawing from life and converting

>>2564223
Drawing other cartoons if you like stuff like Adventure Time, Steven Universe or any other animated cartoons made in Flash.

Still really depends what style you want to achieve though. If you like Hanna barbera, chuck jones, walt disney drawing from life is the way to go to have your drawings some feeling of action/life.

>>2564223
Cartoons are fun to draw, and can't ever hurt, but when you're just starting to learn, always always always try to draw from life

NEW THREAD

>>2564228
>>2564228
>>2564228

NEW THREAD

>>2564227
I hope you ain't >implying Adventure Time and Steven Universe are done in Flash

>>2563893
Although it is hilarious his eyes are looking in different directions.

>>2562886
awkward pose, you should use a poser or reference!the shoulders are way too much to the left and you could prob make the other arm visible. i like the folds/details of the scarf :-)
also are you smudging your graphite oh god dont do it you gotta create values with different shading pencilz

>>2562813
uhh i don't know much about proper pencil technique desu i'm sure there's some information online? sorry haha but HB seems pretty darkto use as your lightest value to me though!! like maybe throw an F or H/2H at it :-)
what i do (and it's probably wrong)is start with the lightest value and attack it with an H or 2H and then progressively use higher B pencils as i go darker with values

>>2563389
>The REAL reason you shouldn't use a pencil is because graphite is a lubricant, so when you draw over the lines repeatedly the pencil will naturally stick to the previous line with less effort, which is cheating.

I just bought a Staedtler Triplus Fineliner felt-tip pen, and the line still sticks to the previous line somewhat. But it's not as obvious as with pencil, so the difficulty level is higher. It's also not as smooth as a 8B pencil, although it's smooth by felt-tip standards (I have also tried a Faber-Castell PITT, which is scratchier). I'm not sure how this affects the difficulty level.