/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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Started about a month ago.
Can someone give me a little bit of direction?
Current status is pic related.

Hands are wonky and I kinda have trouble getting the right amount of contrasts into the entire picture.

Rendering is super scary to me too. That's why so much of this is kinda blurry.

>>2513402

Study from reference

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doodle that turned into smthn more serious, i like the face but the hands look weird and i don't know why

>>2513379
on one hand, really glad we can save 5 letters by calling it the beg thread as it shouldve always been.

On the other hand, the fact that you chose an image that is hard to locate in catalog will hurt the thread.

I'm glad I'm trying to draw. I've been depressed and uninterested in things. I think I finally found a skill that I can develop seriously and find even just a little bit of joy in. I think I can make it.

>>2513466
This 2bh, its pretty hard to locate generals on this fast moving non-general heavy board.

>>2513467
I'm glad you have that attitude. It's much better than most in /beg/

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Please, rate this at least once

I want to know what to improve

>>2513481
Measuring.

>>2513481
>>2513485

Seconded

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yellow fever girls warmup

>>2513492
They don't look asian. I too struggle with this

>>2513471
you can pin threads by clicking on arrows from the catalog if you dont browse from multiple computers.

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Tried something out of my comfort zone. I know I need to improve the lighting, as well as composition and differentiation between the fore, midground and background, but any crits are appreciated.

Thanks for being so responsive.

>>2513474
What's /beg/ mostly like?

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Critique plox

>>2513548
>waa i have no motivation
>my art still sucks in my first week of drawing
>who else /not gonna make it/ here

Succeeding is a lot about mindset. If you think you can make it, you will.

>>2513555
I sort of expect my art to suck for months. But everyday something new must be learned. Even the smallest bits of knowledge can carry you further.

>>2513562
Has the spark

>>2513554
>>2513554

it looks as if you spent considerably more time/ effort on the face, put that quality throughout the whole piece. your shading in the face looks very intentional, where as on the arms and such it looks rushed and scribbley. also, the shading scribbles in the background are very distracting. nice one tho!

>>2513562
What I meant was people are very unrealistic in their expectations of skill progression. But you're right in thinking for a months or possibly a year or so your art won't get a second glance in the big leagues.

please post some arms to study

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>>2513585

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>>2513606

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>>2513608

how do I learn about color for real? I've read a lot of little guides about hue and hot/cold and lighting but every time I come to pick colors and try to make skin or anything look good it turns out terrible.

I just don't get it.

>>2513624
paint from life or images

>>2513624
Skin is the single hardest thing to color. You have to deal with extra problems specific to it, such as subsurface scattering, hue variation in face zones, etc. Our brains are excellent at recognizing humans, so you'll only have shitty skin paintings and very good skin paintings, while a merely decent painting of anything else (say, an apple) is still gonna look decent rather than shit.

Don't start with skin. Start with simple objects.

>>2513634
makes me sad cause I finally got somewhat "decen"t (or better than horrible) at drawing waifu heads and wanted to give them some life.

>>2513635
Well, you're in luck, because waifu heads aren't the same thing at all.

You wanna look for guides on stylized coloring for that. The alternative art thread had a youtube video on coloring waifus two days ago, it's still there.

To make "cartoony" coloring look decent, you can get away with using as few as three tones. A warm diffuse light, a warm shadow, and a cool/white highlight. Use a soft brush to shade core shadows, and a hard brush to shade cast shadows.

You can definitely get fancier and bring relative hue/saturation to areas of the face, certain shadows, etc. but when I look at the average weeb shit on sites like danbooru none of them are doing anything particularly complicated.

If you think you're fucking up and aren't sure why, post your stuff here and I'll try to figure it out with you.

>>2513565
Thanks for the info

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Just followed Proko's how to draw a head video. I feel like drawing with a tablet doesn't give me that resistant that paper has. I feel like I can't make those nice lines like I can on paper.

is value study a good way to study before doing coloring??

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I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but at least I'm having fun.

(I'm aware the perspective and everything about it is fucked)

>>2513726
If the brow line is not parallel to the ground (which is what I assume this is), you need to make sure the other features are showing more of their bottom plane to push that we are looking at a non-parallel browline. Which you didn't.

Also symbol drawing etc.

>>2513777
Is that a ghostdick? I like it.

>>2513726
With some tablets you can tape a thin paper to increase resistance or whatever it's called.

>>2513781
Meant to be some weird tower of babel thing.

But ghostdick works too.

>>2513777
I quite like the idea behind this as a tower of babel. From a design standpoint, what is the purpose of the red light? Why is her head a beak-shape? In what way does this mesh with the idea of why the actual story of why the tower of babel was actually created?

I know you weren't putting effort in but things like these are fun to think about.

Also you mightj want to think about a higher PPI.

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I feel like the Brian of /beg/ because I post too much.

>>2513800
All of the noses you've drawn are lacking in volume and look the same.

>>2513794
It's from my shitty story, so it doesn't make much sense out of context.

>red ring
Placeholder for something that let's it tear open the heavens. The white things are angels falling out of the tear.

>beak shape
Birds fly. Tower flies. I thought it would be neat to give the tower a beak head then.

The brown bit under its dress will be some sort of upside-down fortress.

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5 min ref head

>>2513519
The anatomy seems kinda off, but otherwise, this drawing isso pretty nice Anon!

>>2513800
Stop posting.
Loomis.

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>>2513978
proportions !

>>2514026
cheers

>>2513804
How do you push volume? I did what I thought was right with shading.

>>2513768
yes

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i need help

im doing a drawing course on eyes and im supposed to draw eyes from reference in roughly 5 minutes

I constantly make mistakes, and I could get a decent eye, but it would probably take me an hour of drawing and erasing constantly, which is insane.

I'm trying to draw the socket first and brows, then the eye ball, the place the lid over the ball, then the iris and pupil.

pic related took me 12 minutes. im feeling really frustrated. I've been repeating the exercise without much improvement. I always end up symbol drawing unless i go EXTREMELY slow.

>>2514026

are you doing vIlppus nma head course?

>>2514339
i'm signed up to nma but havent checked out villppus head vids yet...suppose i should

>>2514340

either way you are better than me can you spare some tips

>>2514343
i got quick at drawing in life drawing classes, and now i also do those timed figure drawing videos on new masters academy daily. Set a timer for 5 minutes and stop drawing once the timer finishes, then move onto the next pic. Just grind it and resist symbol drawing and you'll get somewhere

>>2514350

Ill try it. How long can I use the same references? I don't want it to become a memory exercise over observation

>>2514357
I try not to use the same reference twice. Been through all the nma timed videos, now i'm going through the image gallery using my phone as a timer...yeah having it turn into a memorisation exercise seems like a bad idea.

>>2514361

How do you evaluate yourself? Just compare it to the reference? or do you always get crit?

>>2514363
Ah..like i check the reference to make sure it's captured it. But mostly like making sure it makes sense in 3d space, playing with linework to see how it effects how the image reads, making sure the gesture is good. It's kinda gay, but listening to how my brain feels about what i've drawn and wether it reads as a decent figure or 3d object to my mind. Like all the masters work just clicks in your head as an obviously 3d object, which is what i'm working on atm. Putting things up for crit now and again is good, like old mate showed me the proportion errors i had which i was blind to. Dunno.

>>2514374
Alright, thanks for the help man.

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Is it wrong to draw gestures from imagination? I feel like I'm learning so much more experimenting than just copying poses
Sure I take much more time to draw each pose but it seems worth it to me because I have to really think about what I'm doing
Pic related is sadly way better than when I copy from quick poses

>>2514386
>Is it wrong to draw gestures from imagination?
As a beginner, most of the time it's not the best idea. -especially- if your gestures are not as fluid as they should be.

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From Michael Hampton book. Any help is appreciated.

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>>2514386
Get your priorities straight.

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first post here

lost my stravinsky and some copying practice i did, but i have this from yesterday. i have no idea what i was even going for here but only thing i know is that it sucks.

>>2514409
How do you get rid of chicken scratch if you don't draw random shit?

>>2514414
You have to make a conscious choice and practice not doing it.

>>2514386
>Pic related is sadly way better than when I copy from quick poses
[citation needed]

Seriously, these don't seem like they could even really count as gesture drawings. Save for the middle of the three rightmost poses, which has some flow, everything else is very stiff, to a degree that you're effectively drawing the tentative position of *limbs* and nothing more.

The best advice I can give you is to drop the idea of constructing a body altogether. Across those drawings, I notice you're consistently giving your figures a body consisting of three boxes (chest and pelvis, joined by a middle box)and having limbs that come out of the shapes' corners. The one drawing where you didn't do that, and actually have a leg flow as an extension of the body's "central" curve (the contrapposto), happens to be the best one because you don't have boxes and sticks constraining your gestures.

I would strongly encourage you at least post some of the gestures you drew from reference if you want feedback, and a better understanding of what gesture drawing involves. I'm not terribly good at gesture drawing myself, but if you show me some drawings along with their references, I can try to show you some of the flow you might be missing or not searching for properly.

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>>2513566
This is where I'm currently at. Its not much, but I'm pretty okay with that. I want to improve but I'm pretty aware that it will take patience and effort.

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>>2514440

>>2514445
Are you drawing with your whole arm?
If not here you go bud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMC0Cx3Uk84

>>2514432
I keep drawing those boxes so my brain can under what the pose is supposed to be doing. I want it to look as close to a real like body as possible
I know that is wrong but when I see the pros do gestures they look so close to the real thing and I keep making a conscious effort to do just that
When I draw gestures without the boxes I can hardly understand whats going on in the pose that I'm trying to replicate
Hope this makes sense honestly

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Hey can you guys please criticise. Everyone i ask just says looks good without any constructive feedback

>>2514494
they were wrong

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hows my gesture
ive been doing a page of poses every day for about 2 weeks now. the biggest issue that i notice is how badly i draw neutral poses (like the 4 on the bottom)

>>2514543
Doesn't flow
focusing way too much on contour

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>>2513379
Just sharing my absolute beginner drawing. Yes, i know that proportions and hands suck but the main idea is that inspiration can give weird ideas.

>>2514564
It's nothing but a doodle you do on the back of your homework. At least you have something to compare your work in a couple years and realize how cringey it was!

>>2514571
Something like that, like a marker for progress. It was more like experimental work because i never used colors.

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Does the perspective sort of work if I do it like this?

I'm having a lot of fun making this, so I may as well TRY to make it not be fundamentally broken.

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>>2513402
Did some gradient map fuckery to get the color scheme down. Also sketched the backround. Gonna render this tomorrow. Any last tips before I wreck this piece of shit?

>>2514659

bruh the drawing is off

>>2514672
Sounds like something i can't fix anymore at this point but do elaborate if you dont mind anon.

Is it cheating if I am drawing from reference but the copy the image into photoshop and toggling it on and off to see if I am hitting the curves right? Is that considered tracing? Cause I drew it out initially and then pasted it in and it was all off. So I toggled it on and off "trying" to get the lines right without tracing it.

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i couldn't find a thread for questions, so i think this is the best place to ask

is there a name to these things with face on it?

http://www.wowgirl.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Absolution-tier-6-priest.jpg

http://www.millenium.org/images/contenu/actus/wow/4.3/modeles/wow_patch43_sets_t13_pretre_hd.jpg

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_xlarge/public/upload/gothic_splash_1920x1080.jpg?itok=yRkO5WwE

what are the best keywords to use for searching more of this?

If I want to learn how to draw humans, do I have to basically learn human anatomy so well I can literally pass any Bio 101 test?

>>2514716
not necessary if you want your bodies to be passable

but never strive for just passable

>>2514716
Learn how to simplify first, then later when you got the basics down you'll want to learn more and more details imo. At least I hope you will.

>>2513379
I'm caught on the loop of try/bored/failure.

What can I do to break this loop?

>>2514727
Nah, it's not failure then. It's interest-try-bored loop. The best is to try different technique. The most important is to try and try again.

>>2514713
Character turnarounds?
Or you mean the shoulder armour? That's called a Pauldron.

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>>2514740
i mean, anything created by someone, and during the process of creation, a face is added
things with human faces

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>>2514748
I don't think there's a word for armor specifically designed with a face on them...

unrelated, but I googled "armor with faces" and this looks pretty cool.

>>2514727
Stop doing studies and create some actual good art. No shit all you fuckers get bored and burnt out here doing studies all day long.

Your loop should look like this: create good art/receive good feedback/inspired to create more good art. It's an infinite loop, until you break it and play computer games. Don't break it.

>>2514752
so
i was searching for neo-victorian clothing and architecture, then gothic and others
can you name any of these that have a lot of things with faces?

I've been doing Keys to Drawing for a bit. I'm just having trouble with one thing. Should I be doing the projects over and over again? It just feels kind of odd to just draw an object and never look back at it.

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Tried a few quick back poses today, busy day so I didn't have time for a lot. As usual, it's super appreciated if you guys can point out my mess-ups.

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>>2514789
Also lol, just realized I drew one of these poses when doing gesture drawing a week ago, I had absolutely no idea how to fit anything on the body.

>>2514756
>create some actual good art

Yeah let me do that when I just started learning how to draw.

>>2514794
Well if you just started and already stuck in the try/bored then drawing probably isnt for you.

>>2514821
Its been on an off for years, but I'm trying to get serious.

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Kind of a large image but beginner exercises if anyone is interested.

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This was fun to make.


But I really should start actually learning how anatomy and perspective works.

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>>2514872
Oh, and here's an extremely rough sketch of the base idea.

>>2514872
Cool , i feel like the bottom third should be smaller or steeper just to get a larger sense of perspective

>>2514881
Do you mean that I should fan out the weird lower dress feathers more?

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>>2513380
I tried, .

>>2514887
Sycra?

>>2514887
Because I think you did such a good job rendering the skin comparatively, I should point out that you'll get better result if you don't draw every single strand of hair with the same amount of detail. You wanna pick one or two areas where the texture of your hair is most intense (on her right side, just above the hairline, as well as the loose strands covering her ear, which sadly won't pop because your values aren't dark enough) and add definition around these parts the most. The rest should be rougher, and hint at the texture.

>>2514893
thanks I appreciate it, I really didn't know what to do with the hair.

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My first drawing, complete.

>>2514909
Chicken scratch, tens of millions of pages in the world you arent wasting any, make all lines confident

>>2514912
What do you mean by this?

Any good eye exercises?
Sometimes when I practice, my eyes get really tired and it's hard for me to focus on drawing.

>>2514923
Commit
to
your lines
he means your pussy footing around like an arthritis victim.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2KJClfQds8&t=5m0s


What the actual fuck brush is he using at 5mins? From what I can tell is he is using the regular brush with 100% Opac and 100% Flow and has the Airbrush ticked. But when I start coloring I get pic fucking related.

>>2514923
Search Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching on youtube.
Or check Drawabox lesson 1, it's pretty much the same thing

>>2514926
>>2514929
Oh. You mean the zigzag. Thanks. Well work in it.

Every line of mine is crap. I can't find a speed that isn't either slow and wobbly or fast and inaccurate. to get better, should i practice lines that are too fast or too slow?

>>2514887
What brush and how do you blend nicely?

>>2514446
Sorry for the question. Is this Proko thing good? Should I trust & follow everything he says? Thanks.

>>2514859
Thank you.

>>2514909
>1.62 MB, 4032x3024
>on the side
You're not gonna make it.

>>2514494
Your poses are much too stiff
Your shading is completely inaccurate and doesn't create the illusion of volume thus all your picture look flat.
The spine of the man in the top picture is completely inaccurate. It simply does not move that way.

>>2514543
Gesture drawing should be kept as simple as possible while retaining the action of the pose. Remember, the action is what's most important, not the contour nor details.
Focus on only drawing C curves, S curves and straight lines.This is an easy way to stop you from drawing detailed contour.
Don't chicken scratch. Make sure your lines are bold and controlled.

>>2515011
Proko is a professional art teacher with formal training, so his instructions are of high quality. All of his material is worth checking out if you are a beginner.

how do I have fun with drawing? I'm so terrible that everything I do is bad, lines are bad, circles are bad, everything bad. I want to take a break from repetitive exercises and just have fun making something that's going to look nice

>>2515062
That's sort of the catch-22, isn't it? You have to get good before you can make something nice. Embracing the grind makes things a little easier.

>>2515062
I have the same problem. I'm currently stuck at drawing cubes and when i see some exceptional artworks, something dies in me. We have to change from enjoying the end result to enjoying journey itself. We tend to overlook the fact that they spend countless hours at making things, even basics.

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>>2513386
here goes

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tried doing a still life with apples, any crits or tips?

also any recommendations for what to draw next?

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>>2515149
fuck image messed up

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>>2515150

>>2515149
>>2515150
>>2515151
best i could do with a 12pk of crayolas as available medium

I've looked throught Loomis's Form Drawing, but I was wondering if there are any good exercises for form drawing that you guys use to practice?

How do you stay motivated when all you try to draw turns out to be a garbage?

>>2515279
keep drawing

>>2515279
Don't expect it to be good and keep drawing, keep a mix of pushing comfort and doing what you enjoy.

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I've been practicing circles for a week now, and I still feel like a cripple trying to draw them.

I want to set a goal, do X pages of circles by Y date, and see how much I've improved. but I'm worried that I'll do it, and come out having not improved at all, and that'll just demotivate me a lot.

Should I try to set a goal and risk getting bummed out?

>>2515303
Don't bother doing nothing but circles for X weeks/months.
Just make it a habit to warm up everyday with couple of pages of circles from the shoulder.

>>2514792
nice improvement bruh

>>2515303
>I'm worried that I'll do it, and come out having not improved at all, and that'll just demotivate me a lot.

That's a bullshit mindset that will get you nowhere. Set goals, reach them, feel good about it, repeat. That's it. Do it one page at a time if you have to. I wouldn't grind ellipses for days. If they're giving you trouble make a conscious effort to practice them for a couple pages every day. Don't torture yourself.

It's understandable to have trouble with specific things, and ellipses are universally considered hard to draw. I'm guessing you're doing drawabox exercises; do the rest of them too. One exercise that helped me a lot (from the book "Freehand Drawing and Sketching") is to draw spirals. Start from the inside and work your way out, keeping them as tight as you can while keeping them smooth and not letting the line cross over itself. The increasing diameter and no clear target forces you to draw from the shoulder and really feel the curves you're trying to hit. It's also a nice exercise because you can see a clear progression in the tightness and smoothness of your spirals.

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Seems off to me, can't quite put my finger on it though

>>2515353
Arms are way too short

>>2515303
get that mentality out early, drawing isn't an rpg. You won't improve by doing something x amount of times

that being said drawing a perfect circle isnt easy and you can erase it if it doesn't look good so it doesn't really matter.

>>2514980
I used krita, and the brushed were block_basic, basic_tip_default and a lot of color pick.

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any comments? I know it's shit. Based on reference but not 100%,

>>2515376
post ref

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>>2515379
here

again i didn't really follow it to a T mostly loosely based on

>>2515376
Shoulders are stiff, even for an upright pose. Try out gesture drawing?

You shouldn't need half a dozen lines a quarter-inch apart to define a ribcage. Forcing yourself to work with individual lines (straight lines and c-curves) will give flow to your drawing, which will help it look more natural and lively.

Your ribcage also begins too high, it's supposed to start at the pit of the neck for a front view.

>>2515384
i tried gesture drawing but it was really hard without knowledge in anatomy. It ended up just being me copying the contours.

I mostly just want to get the upper body right before moving to full on motion and full body.

Also aren't the shounders in the ref pretty blocky anyway?

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So I am trying to color the legs here, am I doing this right or is there a way to make it smoother? I know it isn't 100% correct at the moment and will fix later but is this some what correct in terms of blending? Would appreciate some tips.

>>2515387
The shoulders are blocky, but there's a flow to them. It would be a lot easier to capture if you could draw the hands, because they terminate the flow lines (you had to stop yours at your wrists so you couldn't properly display those lines). I wouldn't stress too much though, when you're starting out any kind of practice is good, even if you can't nail every element.

Gesture drawing is a pain if you don't understand basic anatomy. But longer drawing studies are also going to suffer if you don't understand gesture. It's kind of a catch-22, but honestly I think you just gotta focus on whichever you feel is weakest, and then jump between gesture, proportion and anatomy while purposely trying to improve each a little.

If you're a complete newbie any kind of progress is good. I also felt like I couldn't benefit properly from gesture drawing until I understood how torsos worked and how limbs were articulated. (even though that's not the point of gesture lol)

>>2515395
Honestly lad it's just easier to use a huge soft brush for gradients like that

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drawing some shitty boxes at warp speed

they suck, but the important thing is I'm having fun, right?

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>>2515395
Use a big, soft brush? This was done in roughly a dozen brushstrokes (mostly to mix different colors), there's no need to blend everything with hundreds of strokes if all you want is to have a smooth blending.

Also, remember to zoom out and look at a smaller version of your picture to see where your shading bands.

>>2515400
Shit, so Ive been doing all that work for nothing
>>2515405
But now it just looks too smooth

>>2515418
You can run a textured brush or do a bit of manual blending around your midtones (where most of the skin's texture is visible). It's more important when painting close ups or really high definition pictures though, desu.

Fuck ellipses.

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Sup /ic/. First time posting.
I've never really painted before so I thought I'd start digital. (I have more experience with it and it's a lot less effort in terms of cleanup and all.)
Any thoughts?

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How do I make the colors suck less?

>>2515485
sticky

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Any tips on making metals look more metallic? Going for a steel sheen, but I kind of want to try a blackiron look. Unfortunately, I can't find many ref images of black iron armor

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I have been working on my figure got advice

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>>2515668
Here is sum more

>>2515668
>>2515669
Buy/download Vilppu's Drawing Manual and work your way through the exercises. What you are doing at the moment won't get you too far. You just need a bit of solid information to follow along from for now.

>>2515668
>>2515669

Read the OP. Resize your images.

>>2515657

I've found doing it in color actually makes it look more metallic, since you can capture the reflections a lot more easily (IE the stuff on the top reflects the sky, stuff on bottom reflects grass, etc). I think the big thing though is just have at least one or two things that visibly reflect on the armor, it just gives a clear indication to the viewer "that shit's reflective."

Not sure about black iron, though, and obviously if it's dirty/rusty/tarnished it'll be less reflective too.

>>2515047
Thank you very much, will do.

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the best feeling is stroking eyebrows correctly in a single stroke

>>2515750
loomis

>>2515785
The best feeling is getting the color right on the first try

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>>2513380

tap tap tappin away

>>2514494
Your torsos and necks are really short and stubby, perhaps reviewing proportions would help

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Will I ever get gesture right?

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>>2515815
This is the ref for the one gesture drawing I have an arrow pointed to

>>2515815
loomis

>>2515815

Stop doing gestures until you've developed some basic knowledge of forms and anatomy, so focus on those exercises instead. It's not really a great beginner exercise when you're trying to draw on an intuition you don't have.

>>2515850
Alright thanks. I'll start on anatomy and 3D shapes for now

>>2515396
ah ok, thanks for the feedback man. I think I'll give gesture drawing a shot again then as while I did do it, it was quite awhile ago.

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Advice please.

>>2515947

use a pen for full value control, we can't see shit.

>>2515829
loomis says nothing about gesture you retarded tool
he needs proko or vilppu

>>2515829
ur memeing wrong

>>2515951
>pen
>full value control

You can literally create one value with a pen
What terrible advice

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>>2513380
Aliens have come to Earth

>>2515976
>You can literally create one value with a pen
Fountain pen + diluted ink

>>2515954
loomis you mean

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As a beginner, should I do studies like this or just work on simple stuff like drawings circles?

>>2515951
I appreciate the advice, but all I have on hand are basic HB pencils.
Is there anything else you guys would suggest?

>>2516004
I'd just warm up with a couple minutes of circles . also when I was a kid we did this exercise where we drew a hand study with our nondominant hand first which was supposed to help us think with the artistic side of the brain. I'd be happy if someone got use out of that exercise!

Gl anon

>>2516004
hampton, my friend

What aspects makes a girl's face look like a girl's face and not a man's face?

Less prominent brow ridge, thinner nose and chin? Anything else?

>>2516077
uh. nope! thats it

>>2516077
loomis literally has an entire section on it

>>2516077
big animu eyes

>>2516077
HUEG titties
if drawing has titties everybody's going to think immediately that it's suppose to be a grill

>>2516103
>tfw flat chest

>>2516004
You need to go through keys to drawing or Drawing on the right side of the brain, both books are musts for any beginner and i'd recommend right side as it's less dry. Seeing a hand like that means you aren't drawing what you're seeing and both books handle that subject very well. Enjoy the journey anon

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I attempted >>2513190 again.
Have I done any better?

>>2516143
Try not to focus so much on line berth, look at your contour value. Its like you see the anatomy, you get the depth gradient, but you're too scared to follow through. Get some form confidence. Try again.

>>2516159
line berth?

>>2516143
this sounds like such a cliche on this board but, chickenscratching. You're not being as accurate with the forms as you like and letting the varying shifting strokes trick your brain into seeing the most pleasing shape automatically as well and letting the lines control your hand too much when you start using smaller strokes (see: raised forearm). You also need to train your eye a bit more to draw what you see instead of what you think you're seeing (whenever you catch yourself looking at the paper too long, look at your reference and review what you just drew in the seconds prior), example: the spacing between the obliques and the abs is not properly represented and instead condensed into an outline of the abs alone. Notice the serratus anterior in your drawing, you used delicate and unconfidant lines since you draw what you see somewhat however you arent giving proper respect to the accuracy of your proportions (proportions do not automatically refer to the proportions of the human body)

please please please remember that the goal of a study isnt to copy an image as accurately as you can, it's to learn as much as you visually can about the subject you're studying and apply it to your own work. That's why it's a STUDY. You want to be as accurate as possible because you want to absorb everything you can from the subject.

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Hey d/ic/ks I'm reading Drawing the Head and Hands by loomis and I'm on the part with the planes of the head. I can understand the first two parts and I have them memorized, but when it comes to the last part, there's just so many pieces I can't break it down. Anyone have some good practice to really learn and memorize these planes? Pic related.

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>>2516165
I sort of understand where you notice the line inconsistency but it's difficult to understand the proportion errors save for the obliques that I noticed immediately. Do you mind showing me?

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I downloaded a app to photoshop because I wanna make a white wash tumblr
Here is the original

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Already like 8+ hours in. Fuck, this is tedious and I want to kill myself.

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>>2516223
And here's my version I know it sucks what would you suggest I do

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>>2516223
Here's version 1 of my redo
I'm on a android

>>2516225
You are a beginner. You should not be spending 8 hours on practice, certainly not something like that. You are clearly not ready for it. Stop, Do smaller, shorter studies.

>>2513519

There's something strange going on with the guy's legs relative to his body and the table leg and the guy's legs.

>>2516237
But I am trying to learn how to color.

>>2516225
>8 hours for that
What the fuck mate.

Are you doing it pixel by pixel?

What sections of draw a box are worth doing?

>>2516263
Maybe

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>>2513379
Vilppu, give me strength. Still on chapters 1-2

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>>2516289
Not sure why it came out like that

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>>2516292

>>2516292
not sure why it came out 2228x2976 either

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>>2516293
Fuck phones, last one

>>2516295
Better view clicking the blue file link, felt too lazy to edit at the moment

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I'll post progress later today

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Is there absolutely no way I can fucking bind Zoom-In and Zoom-Out to "A" and "D" without a fucking modifier in Photoshop? I want to fucking click A and D not fucking CTRL - and CTRL +.

>>2516317

no. F2 & F3 is the way to go. F1 flips canvas horizontally, and F4 zooms to 100%.

if you don't do this you are a fucking peasant hobbyist.

>>2516317
dealt with this exact same frustration today. I call total bullshit desu.

>>2514692

I'm not that anon, but the main things that stick out are that a) the proportions aren't right (chest, arms, parts of the skull, legs) and that b) the shading is off. (Your shading on parts like the neck piece are individually good, but as a whole it looks wrong/off).

It definitely comes off as something done 100% from construction. It would have benefited a lot more from making heavy use of referencing and studies.

The concept itself is quite nice and you're definitely getting there in your sense of linework and light/dark levels though.

>>2514339
You're thinking too symbolically. Don't try to draw what an eye should look like, but draw what shapes you see. Based off the photo, the pupils should actually be bordering the tops of the eyes, and the bottom of the eye has more curvature to it than you drew.

Also its not going to look really realistic until you start adding tone to it. The line drawing will always seem kind of off.

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>>2516312
posting

>>2516317
>>2516333
Install AutoHotKey.
Put this at the bottom of the default script:

#IfWinActive ahk_class Photoshop
a::^+
d::^-

That will rebind 'a' and 'd' to 'Control' + '+' and 'Control' + '-' whenever "Photoshop" is the active window. I don't use Photoshop, so the actual name of the window might be something different like "Adobe Photoshop".

>>2516317
>>2516333
>tfw you can bind any kind of key you want in krita
this is why dedicated illustation software is superior

but honestly you could use an AHK script, something to the effect of:

#IfWinActive ahk_class photoshop
a::^{-}
d::^{+}
#IfWinActive

I'm on linux so I can't test it

>https://autohotkey.com/docs/misc/Remap.htm

>>2516483
got damn ninja'd

>>2516487
Linux hivemind ftw.

>>2516237
Why shouldn't he be spending 8 hours on practice as a beginner?

>>2516445
I don't know much about art, but I feel the bg trees shouldn't have so much visible details. The further they are from you, the less clear you see them, right?

You mind if I copy your style btw? I quite like it.

>>2516510
I'm not that anon, but to summarise; It's like him trying to tackle a Lvl.30 boss for 8 hours when he's just Lvl.7 saying "I'm just trying to learn how to down it".
He just ain't at that level yet and he's better off killing small fry first (quantity > quality). I'm not saying that he shouldn't learn to color but smaller projects would be more beneficial for him at the moment.

>>2516512
You're right about the detail. I'll try to keep that in mind for the rest of the drawing.
copy the style, by all means! I used fineliner to outline and detail and a simple shadow with pencil.

>>2516487
yeah but youd be using krita instead of photoshop

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Why do beginners love mediocre/crappy deviantart tutorials so much? My pet theory is that they feel more accessible than books and tutorials with actually good art. They look at those chicken scratchy lines, the wonky anatomy, the lack of perspective, the weird proportions, and go "hey I could do that!" and feel motivated to draw. If the looked at some Vilppu stuff they'd feel like they would have no idea to accomplish something like that at all. Any other theories?

>>2516636
>My pet theory is that they feel more accessible
It's exactly this. That's also why Jazza is so popular - he makes it seem easy, whereas most other guides on YouTube expect a basic knowledge to fully understand them. Most beginners are extremely intimidated by the flood of stuff they need to know (fundamentals) and don't know where to start or what to practice first. Also most beginners don't want to draw basic forms and practice basic perspective first, as it's not what they want to do (stylized drawings), so they look for the easiest route to achieve it. Last keep in mind that most beginners don't have the knowledge to estimate what's most useful or how good an artist is. That's also the reason why folks like Sakimichan are seen as some sort of art gods, while, compared to other professionals, they're not that special at all.

tl;dr A lot of beginners want fast results with minimal effort.

>>2516636
That, and also they just don't want to draw realism; they want to draw simple anime. Why bother learning the muscles of the forearm if they're never going to use them?

>>2516532
Eh, I think there's a lot you can learn from spending 8 hours on coloring something, and 8 hours is just 1 day's worth of work at most. It's fine really.

Im having trouble getting into drawing something beyond just doodles. I want to create something with depth, but something is holding me back. I've tried sticking with simple objects like swords from games i like, but i can't seem to even get into those before giving up not even 10% into the drawing.

>>2516636
pretty much, teachers that make things look easy tend to be way more popular than teachers that actually teach. That's just another downside of the massive anarchy that is the internet, it's hard for newbies to find gems among all the garbage. But still, anybody who learned some basic common sense and critical thinking from a young age will probably turn out okay in the long run.

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>>2516636
>>2516636
>Feel more accessible

Incorrect, if you read the very first thing on that tutorial it perpetuates that you are a special snowflake where everything you do is okay and that there are no such things as a bad drawing or mistakes and that everyone draws differently otherwise known as muh style.

It is this sugarcoating and pseudo-boost of self esteem that attracts the majority of these overgrown sheltered babies for a lack of better term. As a consequence we have a vast majority of one trick ponies who feel entitled to praise and recognition and when someone points out their flaws they get defensive and retort.

>>2516665
grow some fucking balls.

>>2516675
Just thought i'd let you know that made me laugh quite heftily

>>2516665
Even people who are "naturals" worked to aquire their skills. You want to build a car when you haven't taken the time to learn how to tighten a screw. Just give up on life please.

>Tfw I'm not the worst artist in these threads anymore
Feelsgoodman

How do I get nice thin lines?

>>2516701
>Critique board
>Beginner thread
>Beginner says something that belies their ignorance
Why are being a massive cock about it?

>>2516701
Not that anon but
>worked to acquire their skills
Maybe they approached the whole thing differently. Name one artist who raged because he couldnt draw square right.

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>>2516706
Technical drawing pens.

WHY THE FUCK DO BACKGROUNDS BURN SO MUCH TIME

All the good stuff and characters take like five fucking minutes and then there's eons of tediously scribbling the trillion lines necessary to stop the background from looking like shit. Cities are the fucking worst with their straight lines and right angles. Draw five quadrillion rectangles in perspective with maybe a cone or two at times.

Are there even books for this shit? How to draw environments without wasting half your life drawing rectangles or jagged tree contours? There's piles and stacks of anatomy artbooks out there, but i see nuthin but perspective for backgrounds.

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ugh, how do you paint subtle temperature and value changes from reference?

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>>2516724
Underpainting I guess, though it's harder with digital.

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hey, back again. Any improvement?

>>2516735
what's up with that cube in his chest

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>>2516735
JUST

>>2516738
FUCK

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I have a great deal of trouble with values. Any advice on making still life look more accurate?

The value got washed out pretty bad in the photo and the knife was farther away and in different lighting when I drew it. The shadow under the blade and on the top is solid black graphite but it is reflecting light in the picture.

Advice on getting better photos is also welcomed

>>2516764
more contrast better lines

>>2516483
>>2516487
thanks to both of you, but its still BS that photoshop refuses to let me do it str8 up.

>>2516773
I pushed the graphite as dark as it would go. Should I use pen or charcoal in my studies to get a better range? i have tried that before but the difference between the values of the mediums looked unnatural.

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Did this, the proportions seems good but the helmet looks strange

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my stuff usually get ignored on these threads, someone please critique

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Did this, the proportions seems good but the helmet is a little strange

>>2516809
I'm really not good at drawing but ive seen my fair share of art.
The helmet/head looks slightly small and sorta up from where the neck should be

>>2516809
The head is too a bit small and the upper part of the helmet is sitting too low

>>2516803
Your lack of confidence really shows in your lines. Especially for something like the jawlines on the page on the right, you are going over the same line 5 times and starting and stopping and it looks bad and almost like facial hair at this point. You also are making some construction errors and the features are borderline symbol drawing. Maybe try doing an underdrawing with pencil before going over in pen so you get it right without redoing it 10 times. Or just try to slow down a bit and think before making each mark. If you set yourself a rule where you can only make one line every 10 seconds then each line will have 10 seconds of thought put behind it and when you are putting it down it will be done much more controlled and carefully than if you didn't have a restriction. Just an idea.

I also don't think the coloured pencil does much to help, it looks sorta sloppy and like it is meant to distract you from errors in the actual drawings.

All that said, the drawing of the bent woman on the far left is the best. The lines are confident and long, forms are clear, things are solid and proportionate. Even when you do redo a line like around her butt it is one solid long line for the entire thing and not the messiness you are getting on the portraits on the right page.

>>2516812
Oh you deleted your post while typing and reposted it? It's directed at >>2516808 now I guess

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been having mah tablet for 3 weeks now

doing this for class

thoughts?

how do I shade properly on Paintool SAI?

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Was meant to be a quick practice but ended up been more than just practice....any advise, observations, criticism? (All welcome thank you)

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Reference, this one is pretty big

>>2516810
>>2516811
Ya right, shiet, i always make the head too small

>>2516825
i never wanted summer to come

>>2516832
I take you like the tentacool hoodie? Haha ty!

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>>2513380
this is my first attempt at a portrait and I'm having a lot of difficulty capturing likeness, please critique the hell out of this

>>2516836
i'm pretty sure you missed the point

read the sticky

>>2516737
>>2516738
>>2516762
Literal Shitposting.

I thought /ic had some standards. Good job proving me wrong.

Can I please get some actual words that isn't shit-crusted failure spewed from a keyboard?

>>2516898
lol

>>2516898
They're shitposting because your MSPaint work you did in 3 minutes is so bad they don't know what to say or where to start.

Just follow Vilppu/Loomis whoever the fuck for another 3 weeks and come back.

>>2516902
>>2516903
I'd take that as a direct insult to my ability to draw. But, then I have this to reassure myself that what's been posted isn't legitimate.

http://lavaflake.com/draw/users/?id=1506

Because if so, then I should quit immediately before I get shitposted some more.

>>2516898
You're missing fundamentals. You should keep to pose work. Don't bother with the nasty faces until you can correct the pose. If you want cool faces, practice creating head and making them look nice before tacking it on a half-assed chicken-scratch posing

>>2516905
I'm sorry dude, but those suck. Watch some tutorial videos and do serious studies to get better. Don't give up, but don't act like you're Leonardo Da Vinci, either.

>>2516879
cheek highlight is in the wrong place, her eyes are also looking down instead of up like in the original picture. the inner corner of her eyes are narrower. in original as well with the forhead with widows peak, the hairline on the right side of urs is too low, should round it out, the eyebrows are arched incorrectly, they are rounded in yours while the original is more like a straightline, and extend the left eyebrow closer towards midline. ur right cheekbone is too round and protruding on the right side, flatten it, raise the eyes.

>>2516905
You're on a beginner thread. You have little to no ability to draw and thats why youre here. You're trying to get better. Don't get butt hurt when people tear apart your drawings because they arent even worth posting in their current state. I haven't posted anything because i realize anything i post now isnt even worth getting critiqued on because its all too easy to see my mistakes

>>2516913
>Shitposting = Critique

ok

>>2516917
holy shit dude, all your drawings are literal shitposts. this is 4chan, not fucking art school. nobody has to talk to you like you're a third grader. acknowledge that you're bad, and then git gud.

>>2516917
Yes, you're getting 'shitposts' because your drawings are so shitposts they don't deserve anything more than that. You're literally drawing like a 2nd grade kid with downs. Get off your high horse and get good.

>>2516923
I know I'm bad, what I don't...

Fuck it.

>>2516905
My god, he has the anti-spark

>>2516930
Yeah, fuck it. You obviously can't understand that you just need to work on your basics more. There's nothing to say but fucking do it.

>>2516930
This can be a harsh place you should know that, any who I am probably not any better but when I post in /ic/ I do it knowing very well I might get smacked around so if you going to post asking forbyelp man up and stop getting butt hurt at your upper classmates.

>>2516930
rofl

can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen

>>2516791
Oh god you have the same problem I struggled with for like a decade because people told me a good artist doesn't need anything fancier than a No. 2 pencil. Spoiler: you do.

http://www.learn-to-draw.com/drawing-basics/03-drawing-with-pencils.shtml

>>2517054
>http://www.learn-to-draw.com/drawing-basics/03-drawing-with-pencils.shtml
TY bro. Just bought some darker pencils.

do you guys think there is any benefit to practicing with your off-hand...

i just randomly tried it and i was able to make some basic forms and write the alphabet...

do you think there is any chance of being able to draw with both hands simultaneously?

do you think practicing with the off hand helps brain function?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJj1Qqqebh8

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>>2513381
A rough attempt at this, my first time trying to add value to something since i started taking art seriously about 6 months ago.

Are there any agreed upon resources that could serve as a crash course into light and value? It's pretty clear that i have no idea what im doing and im not sure where to start looking for comprehensive material on the subject oriented at beginners.

pardon the shitty lines and and lack of loomis, i've only recently started practicing with my arm