Beginner Thread!

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>>2510967

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>>2510968
some perspective work.

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>>2510969
simple shape/ good for b/w

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>>2510970
simple horse profile.

>>2510968

cringe

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>>2510974
simple body

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>making a new thread 7 "READ THE STICKY"s early

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>>2510975
whats cringe?
>>2510976
a quick guide to get your forms if youre practicing photocopying.

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>>2510980
the beg thread has been slow lately so im revitalizing it a bit. Ill kill the other thread.

>>2510975
since you didnt like the other face. presumably.

>>2510981
why dont you ever follow your own tutorials

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>>2511019
cuz I dont use reference? Everything I show you guys is imagination work. why would I show something I have the ultimate redline to.

Besides, its not my tutorial, I just cleaned it up, took out the bad jokes, made it more clear and fixed the drawing a tad.

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Aight brahs. I read that symbol drawing poster and will try that, but in the mean time I need help with values.

I hear some people say to start light and slowly build up values and others say to lay down the darkest values first to judge the rest. With the light to dark my drawings end up being washed out and take a long time. With the dark to light I end up covering important shit with blackness and cant adjust the wrest of it.

If some 1 wanted to do a quick paint over of shadow shapes that would be kool.

Also camera is potato quality so it made every thing blurry and grainy.

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woops new thread

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thoughts?

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Another head bust

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First two pictures. Lips and eyes are killing me.

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I finished the drawing, scanned, and realized the lines were too light. I rapidly darkened the drawing and scanned again, so some of the details of the short were lost

I'd very much appreciate advices.

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this is how far i got before my tablet chinesed out on me

>>2511052
you don't need help with values, that comes later. worry about constructing a proper figure first.

So I'm currently reading drawing on the right side of the brain, and I did the upside down drawing of pablo picasso. The problem is, everything looks bad, like the face is lopsided and i made the right hand significantly larger than the left. I did the vase practice pretty well, and even my pre instruction self portrait looked good. So why was this one so bad? It says after the drawing that "I can confidently predict you will be pleased with your drawing..." So obviously I was supposed to do good on this drawing, but everything is out of proportion and the lines are misplaced. So what am I missing here?

>>2511207
You're not missing anything. What you were supposed to take away was the feeling of drawing something totally alien to you and not relying on symbols when you draw something. You are supposed to integrate that into studies.

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>>2506007
To everyone who loved it and wanted sauce, here:

He got a page named Swinepriest on facebook. I was going to post the link but forgot I can't post it here

Also, fuck him. Posting great painting and not giving source

>>2511211
Well the thing is, it's not totally alien to me. I've done this practice before about a year ago, and then several years before that. Only difference is I wasn't doing it though this book.

>>2510967
Right now I'm going through the Keys to Drawing book. I'm at the part where Dodson is teaching how to draw portraits. Should I skip this part and read Loomis head and hands instead? I always hear that Loomis method is the best way to construct the head and for the most part I've had the most success using that

>>2511238
Read both faggot.

>>2511245
Figured it would just be confusing bouncing between both but whatever, I'll do that. Cheers thanks

>>2511212
Go away swinepriest

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How do I make facial hair look better? I tried drawing eyelashes but it makes him look mega gay.

not done but general crit welcome

>>2511270
Draw manly beards not weakass goties.

>>2511192
Advise pls

>>2511278
I advise you to stop being shit.

>>2511278
can you post the reference pic too?

Is gesture the right place to start learning to figure drawing? Where do I go from there?

>>2511282
last beg thread

>>2511286
Mexican sugar drawing.

>>2511287
Just construction wise, practice drawing the gesture of said picture 4 or 5 times. Your rendition is coming out very stiff. Exaggerate the bend of the torso, the angle of the shoulder and the hips. Worry more about the action of the figure. Also arms are too low.

>>2511290
i'm not that guy but im sure he'll find this advice useful

>>2511294
im not that guy you responded to, but im sure hell find your comment encouraging.

>>2511294
Kek my bad


>>2511290
>>2511278
there we go

>>2510969
wew she's so cute hngggg

>>2511278
you could have just used a photoeditor instead of darkening the lines by hand

>>2511320
Mate, you literally coulsn't see SHIT. Not a single line. I couldn't simply edit it

>>2511290
Thanks. I'll do what you saod and keep practicing

what's a logical progression of studying starting with how to draw? let's say with no particular interests like animation, but just good draftsmanship

>>2511328
*starting with Keys to Drawing

>>2511066

Looks like you're in the right thread

>>2511335
m8 stop being such a cunt and give some actualy advice. fuck this place is stupid sometimes

>>2511027
>why would I show something I have the ultimate redline to
your fucking excuses

>>2511339
if you go in archive you can see some of my studies in the princess thread last thread. And I clearly identified them. I'd like to see you do better on a less than 2m timer.

>>2511270
You are trying to draw the colored part of the eye between the boundaries of the eyelids, and it makes him look like an alien or something. Try drawing eyelids afterwards, or make an effort in remembering that the eye will be covered by the eyelids.

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Looks flat as fuck. Thoughts?

>>2511345

I'm not quite sure what you mean? You mean I'm drawing the iris too small? I'm sorry could you rephrase or show me?

>>2511346
Yes, it does.

>>2511346
Look closer. Draw what you see, not what you think you see.

>>2511369
are you working solely in mspaint

>>2511372
yes

>>2511372
Hes a regular but also a dedicated mspaint memeboy for the hipster points

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Halp

How the fuck do you work with NuPastels? I always clogged up and my work ends up looking like shit. I have 3 still-life drawings due in a week using this shit and I can't pastel for the life of me. Help.

I can't learn anything from the books. Seriously bores me to death to read them and I zone out
I learn perfectly fine from videos, especially from people who just talk naturally about the experience rather than getting technical
Anyone else like me that knows of good art youtubers that do just that? I watched some REIQ videos on gesture and I feel like I learned way more from that than proko...

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Did the viewfinder practice in how to draw on the right side of the brain. Keep in mind my "viewfinder" is shit and I was dumb and didn't make the lines on the paper and plastic the same angel and shit. So, how bad is it?

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Still at it

>>2511461
I like your confident flowy lines, keep up the good work.

>>2511447
your fingers are way too short. Check out Burne Hogarth and Loomis hand drawing books.

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Where are you, /beg/?

>>2511531
procrastination

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What's your guys opinion on Loomis anatomy? I mean, the man is a god when it comes to faces, but I want to know how you feel about the body he draws. Been studying his construction method, and I'm not sure how I feel about it... Sometimes I feel like I'm improving and sometimes I feel like I'm not. But then I look at his anatomy and I feel "meh" too. Should I stick with bridgman only? I wanted to post my art, but I'm working tradicionally and don't have camera.

>>2511531
stuck in a infinite loop of determination but failing and wanting to kill myself everyday

>>2511445
you don't need books you just need eyes

>>2511510
So I should still use construction techniques? I've been doing everything in this book exactly the way it tells me so I make sure I learn everything I can from it.

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>>2511573
>posts something anatomically wrong
>Should I still use construction techniques?

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here are some of my paintings

1/3

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2/3

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3/3

>>2511622
>>2511623
>>2511627
3deep5me

>>2511531
realization

>>2511622
>>2511623
weak

>>2511627
interesting but seems incomplete

How do i beat ellipse anxiety?
I have filled hundreds of pages with ellipses and they are all good but as soon as push comes to shove and i have to do a 'non pratice ellipse' i cant get them right. I ghost them a dozen times and then try to hit it once but as soon as the pencils tuches the paper its like all the confidence is gone

>>2511646
just pretend you're doing a practice ellipse

>>2511622
>>2511623
>>2511627
why

>>2511649
He's a high schooler looking for people to help stroke his ego about his terrible """"art""""". Just ignore him.

>>2511207

You said it yourself - lines are misplaced and everything is out of proportion.

Do more of similar drawings/life drawings/still life/calligraphy to build in yourself careful and precise stroke placement and drawing in proportion.

In a year your Picasso will look much better.

Any traditional painters here? I have a huge trouble with creating colors and using a big brush to paint them on paper. It's like I always make too little paint to cover the area I want. It also seems like I don't have enough place on the palette to create a color I want. I'm just starting and can't find the right one in a first try. I have to turn in 3 paintings, even shitty ones, just to pass the semester. I really really want to paint and I don't have that much trouble with painting digitally eh ignore my shitty english I'm like fucking crying right now since I don't know what to do, I have only 2 weeks and I can't do anything because I have no idea how to paint using bigger brush like pic rel

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>>2511664
forgot pic

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i dont do enough self-drawings

i'm a chink but this doesn't really come off as "asian" to me. who else can't capture their own likeness?

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>>2511665
I'd like to just experiment with where to put what but I can't and I don't really know why. It's alwaysike I don't have enough water or too much of it and it for sure isn't paints' fault because everyone in class uses the same brands and they do better than me

maybe I'm just too stupid ehh i hate myself why haven't i killed myself yet

i know there's no perspective and it's platinum shitty I just have no idea how to approach this

>>2511531
I like how there is a bad ending (failure) but no good ending. since it's good, there is no ending to it, just a loop of realisation > hard work > fruit result > daily routine > recognition > realisation

>>2511545
Loomis' comes from an illustration background, mostly focusing on advertisements. A lot of his anatomy is idealized and not overly detailed for the sake of expediency (illustrators had to work under crazy deadlines.) It's still good, but there are likely more detailed sources out there.

>>2511670
Without a reference picture of yourself, it's a little difficult to criticize the likeness of your drawing.
At first glance your drawing definitely doesn't read as 'asian' to me. Asians tend to have a pronounced epicanthal fold that covers their upper lid (giving them their 'slanty eyes') They also tend to have higher cheekbones and rounder faces than Caucasians. Their noses are usually wider with a flatter bridge. Hair tends to be straighter and is almost always black.
These are all generalizations though and may not apply to you.

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>>2511670
Looks like david

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I guess this might be the best place to ask...

So I want to get into making youtube videos about whatever. I wanna make some analysis stuff, maybe some comedy stuff. To get me in the hang of editing things I am working on making a video of a league aram game that im trying to make a bit comedic through editing and some voiceover stuff. It is decently heavy editing and i am currently using a pirated version of AVS video editor but im having issues with it and just got a trial of the legit version. The version for a year is $40 dollars and i can purchase it if i wanted to. But is it decent enough to have something that ill start with? Are there other relatively cheap Video editing softwares that are good for beginners and people learning to make videos?

tl;dr Is AVS video editor good for beginners? is it good at all?

>>2511717
everybody wants to get good, even statues nowadays

>>2511531
Still at try

>>2511248
>figured it would just be confusing bouncing between both
Finish keys to drawing, then do loomis

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>>2511383
i'm sorry

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>>2511670
just use straight lines for the eyes

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I've been abstaining from /ic/ for a while, spent all mg time shitposting instead of drawing. Can definitely see some progress. Any crits are appreciated, I know I was lazy with shading. Is the ribcage correctly sized?

>>2511670
Look up epicantheal fold. Learn your own anatomy bruh

>>2511579
Well it's telling me to draw it exactly how I see it, that's why I didn't do any construction.

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Machine sketch exercise from Keys to Drawing. Definitely didn't feel like I tried my best and I felt too out of focus.

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>>2511853

>>2511670
>I'm a chink
>draws huge-eyed pretty boy
You need to take a look at yourself again

>>2511853
hands of an ogre

>>2511931
>didn't try my best
why

>>2511955
Thanks

>>2511959
You're right. The thumb and the connection to the wrist are the main problem I think, they go on for way too long. I fucked it up because I didn't really know how to connect the back of the hand to the wrist from that perspective. Time to draw more hands I guess

>>2511856
And unless you've got a fucked up hand you didn't do that either.

>>2511931

That's some fucked up perspective, anon. Draw some basic shapes and learn about vanishing points.

>>2511627
>>2511623
>>2511622
i/c is an illustration board,not an art board.

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Tried doing a construction study. Already read a bit about perspective and Hampton and watched some tuts on drawing hands yet the rotated hand doesn't look right and I can't get the contours right. Any tips?

>>2511853
I REALLY hate it for multiple reasons, but you should just stop rushing your drawing when you run out of space ( hips)

>>2511853
Torso looks short. I'd lower the position of the navel. The position of the arms are baffling, you draw as if the hands are coming up and cupping the breasts from below, meaning the elbows should be pulled back and the shoulder pushed forward, but the shoulders are angled as if the elbows are thrust out to the sides, so the hands should be coming straight from the sides, not at a downward angle, and the breasts should be pushed up to near the level of the clavicle, the shoulders rotated and bulging outwards, and about a triangle of negative space from the armpit, to the inside of the elbow, to the wrist and against the slope of the ribcage for it to seem plausible. Her neck is pretty thick for the rest of her body, as are her hands.

In all, reference more porn and brush up your perspective.

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>>2512002

but it is called "Artwork/Critique", is it not?

id say Art has a place in Artwork/Critique.

What kind of pens should I use to ink my drawings? I don't like Micron pens or technical pens like those...I don't like how I have to hold them and how they seem to easily dry out.

>>2512019
ya, illustration art, this is an illustration board. Nobody else is doing abstract because it sucks. We're here to improve, not do something you can learn in a week.

>>2511995
How do I work with basic shapes?

>>2512026
>we
You.
This is an art board and an illustration board you stupid fucking namefag, you arent capable of either so fuck off.

>a bluh bluh abstract sucks
You fucking suck, if youre here to improve then why havent you? Maybe follow some of those tips youre so ready to hand out god i fucking hate you

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Trying to use triangle/line relationships to figure out the placement of important points in the figure, anything I should watch out for? Feel free to destroy me.

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>>2512045
Whoops, a reference would probably help.

Gonna go do a couple more of these, will report back in an hour or two (I don't spend that long on them I'm just lazy)

>>2512045
>>2512047
You've gota few proportional issues like a small head and are missing some gesture to the pose. I think too you are rushing a bit. Try lowering the opacity of what you have and create a new layer above it for a cleaner and more accurate drawing. Start getting some specific shapes and anatomy and things in there. Right now you have generalized too much.

>>2512005
I know, I keep doing that

>>2512015
Thanks brah. I have yet to entirely figure out hands and their connection to the rest of the body. And not having tits myself makes them kinda hard to draw without way too many refs, I always make people too masculine. That's probably also where the thick neck came from. I appreciate the advice m8

>>2512053
Is putting in more detailed shapes/muscle important to developing good habits regarding proportions/construction? That's all I'm trying to do here, still in my first week of figure drawing.

I could do a more detailed/cleaner drawing but I feel like it wouldn't really help me figure out things like the placement of my ribcage or hands/elbows. No?

Kinda my fault for not specifying what I wanted when I posted the sketch though, it's still good advice. And you're right about the head.

>>2512061
>Is putting in more detailed shapes/muscle important to developing good habits regarding proportions/construction?
Yes and no. It helps you have the ability to take things further and will build a connection in your head between the construction and reality. It also will help with your general observation.

It's best to do a variety of drawings though--some fast, some slow, some construction, some observation, a mix of the above etc.

Also just looked at your image again, and that shape in the torso...is it supposed to be the rib cage? Because it is completely wrong. And if you want construction to be an emphasis I would do a couple cross contour lines especially at the ends of forms. It will really help you understand how things sit in space instead of treating it too flatly.

Am at store and poorfag right now. My prof wants us to use NuPastel and I'm out of white. What is a good alternative to Nupastel?

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>>2512073
It was meant to be the ribcage, but I forgot about it pretty early on and started using reference points for construction instead. Is this closer to what it should be, or am I still fucking up?

Also thanks for the advice, interesting stuff. I'm definitely planning to vary it up, I try to focus on something different every day.

>>2512089
That's much better.

I'd also recommend doing the same for the pelvis. It can be a simple construction such as a box, a bowl, or two discs, but you should have an idea of how it sits in space, especially in relation to the rib cage.

>>2511531
enthusiastic -> procrastination

>>2511066
I honestly really like this, you tried drawing from a difficult angle and I think you did a great job. I would focus on getting basic shape relationships down. Eyes with relation to each other and the nose and mouth; basic stuff that's really hard. But I think you're doing a great job

>>2511184
First thing I noticed was the ears. They're too high in your right figure. The top of your ear usually rests at the top of your eye or there abouts. It changes with each person, but you definitely have it too high. That was something that was hard for me to fix.

>>2510967
is that one of irakli's paintings?

>>2511353
he's saying to include the eyelids which gives more depth (yours is kind of flat right now). proko has an eye structure video that should help

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The first paint I did on my new tablet (cintiq 24HD).
Pls crit.

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>>2512045

You'll be fine, my first attempts at figure drawing sucked realy hard, my gestures were atrocious, and that is really like 80% of what makes a good figure, the gesture. You can make some poses really stand out if you work your geture, maybe they won't look exactly like the ref, but I favor design over exact recreation.

In this case, the pose is kinda stiff, you know, I tend to avoid these kind of poses when I'm working on gesture. They are still great for learning landmarks, proportion and anatomy, but really look for the more dinamic stuff as it will help you develop more fluidity in your lines, since you'll have to work more with curves as opposed to straight lines

Pic related is my progress so far, those were my first gestures in January up there where I had no idea what I was doing, and the others are from today. I still have a loooong way to go but man it feels good looking at those crappy drawing from then and see the changes

>>2512153
You should seriously consider adding a vignette. I find it complements chromatic aberration well, and helps draw focus to the focal point of your image.

>>2512157
Pretty cool to see that kind of progress comparison, thanks.

>>2512039
>You.

nah

the consensus is that your type of stuff belongs on >>>/gd/, if not >>>/b/ my dude

>>2512153
>>2512153
Your head construction is poor and proportions are out of whack. You should study Loomis. And lines are awfully wobbly try to make more-deliberate strokes.

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20min from life

>>2511531
At procrastination because all my stuff is shit and I hate it so I just don't draw

>>2512189
why can't you get it through your head that you're supposed to suck in the beginning

it's the only way to get better

why are you on this board even

>>2512177
The bigger consensus is that you should kill yourself, so please get on with it already unless you're going to be hypocritical about that too

>>2512191
I know I'm supposed to suck but I feel like I've been stuck at "the beginning" forever.

>>2512039
Sorry bro but he's right. The reason that this board has all these "learn figure drawing, LOOMIS, etcetera" memes is that it was originally meant to be an illustration board. Think about it. /ic/. Illustration - critique. You can't really do fundamentals on modern abstract shit anymore, maybe aside from composition and simple color theory.
My personal opinion is that if you want to get into abstract art, sure. But first you should master basic technique. If you can't draw well, how can I be sure you actually have the ability to convey what you wanted to through your work?

>>2512199
We all feel that way. If you can't get over it you'll suck forever.
Have you ever lifted weights? It's kinda like that.

>>2512197
I wasn't trying to be aggressive. Just wanted to point you in the right direction.

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Why is gesture drawing so hard? They always end up looking like stiff stick figures
I've watched videos on this shot to understand it but I guess it's not something you can do after only a few times of actually putting pencil to paper
Also the time limit makes me chickenscratch like crazy

>>2512214
You're thinking about the shape too much

>>2512214
Draw longer lines. It's okay to redraw a line, but draw longer lines. Force yourself to. If they veer off course, who gives a shit.

Have you watched Vilppus stuff? He explains it very well. You sorta look for the dominant direction and go from there.

>>2512223

That's not necessarily a bad thing you noob.

>>2512225
Yeah I have a habit of drawing small so as not to waste paper. Growing up poor does that to ya
I haven't watched Vilppus yet, if he/she is a good teacher then I'll check them out
>>2512223
What I'm understanding is that I should just draw more straight rather than curved to emphasize the gesture rather than shape?

>>2512045
love your style
>>2512153
fucking alpha i know its you.

>>2512157
Those were from november 2016 dipshit.

>>2512265

moshikashite taimu trabura desu ne hontou knee

>>2512202
Can my drawings be fucked up as a beginner?

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From ref thread
>>2482051

Thoughts?

>>2512306
Yes. They'll stay that way to some extent for a long time. Just put in effort.

>>2512314
What does effort mean in terms of drawing?

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>>2512332
14-15 hours a day. Any less than that and you might as well drop drawing.

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Did some more 5 min gesture sketches, trying to loosen up more compared to >>2508631

>>2511931

Learn how ellipses work in perspective pls

>>2512334
Tell me you're not doing less than 20hrs a day

>>2512376
>there are people in this thread who don't do 23 hours a day + 1 hour of sleep

never gonna make it

>>2511728
Openshot is good for basic stuff,
http://www.openshot.org/download/

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I think I'm getting the hang of this exercise. the next one makes me want to yank out my testicle hairs though

>>2512312
Resized

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why am I so shit at this?

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>>2512409
Here

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thought?
My first drawing since high school art class few years ago

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>>2512265

Shit, so it's only gonna get worse from here, isn't it?

>>2512214

You gotta keep pushing, as someone else said, watch other people do gestures, Vilppu is great, but kind of messy sometimes. Remember that there isn't a "correct" way to do gestures, but there are some basic principles that you should follow
Also, study gestures from books, try to analize how other artists use line to represent the motion of a figure. Hampton's book is nice and even gives some useful tips, then there's Ryan Woodward, who doesn't explain shit but have books filled with amazing gestures that are fun to look at.
Eperiment with different time limits, maybe you need some extra seconds for those short gestures. Then do some 3 min ones. Don't worry if you can't draw all the parts in time, just leave them like that. You'll find that some poses are better to practice just the torso, or just the arms, or the neck even. Thing is, you have to LEARN something from each one, not just rush to "finish" them.

Practice

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Back to loomis I guess

>>2512410
because you don't understand how to draw a cube

>>2512418
Even with the neck outstretched, your torso is too long. The chest ends at a good place, but your ribcage, and by association bellybutton and crotch, end too low.

I'm not sure if that's an issue of foreshortening but your left elbow doesn't look like it could meet at the bottom of your ribcage (even a fixed one). I also believe that right hand is too small.

>>2512426
care to explain how? I'm reading the drawabox lesson over and over and apparently it's not clicking

>>2512410
You should perfect how to draw a cube from any angle before doing that.

>>2512425
>I've seen things you people wouldn't believe

>>2512428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mxQxWdLo9Y

>>2512437
I've watched this twice but I'm still not getting it. what determines the lengths/angles of the initial Y shape? they can't be completely arbitrary, right?

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>>2512445
How big do you want your fucking cube to be?

>>2512445
I have a mathematics degree and I couldn't tell you that. There is a branch of geometry called projective geometry which deals with the projection of a 3d shape onto the 2d plane, we did a little when I took hyperbolic geometry.
Just keep practicing and you'll get better. It might help if you get an object that is cube shaped and try looking at it and drawing it from different angles.
Another thing that helps is knowing some basic properties of cubes; no matter what angle you draw a cube from, only three faces at most can be seen. Stuff like that.

>>2512445
you change the angles depending on where the vanishing points are on the horizon line, and how far above/below the box is from the horizon line.

i'm guessing this stuff is new to you, so learn about the horizon line and 1, 2 and 3 point perspective then come back to trying to do freehand boxes

>>2512445
the lengths are arbitrary. the angles you can use intuition, or check out scott robertsons 'how to draw' book to learn to calculate the vp's and angles.

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>>2510967

god these FUCKING LIPS

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>>2512472
Bottom lip is over-rendered, and the teeth gap has the same problem

If you squint at your ref you'll see the bottom lip is nowhere as pronounced.

>>2512456
if the lengths of the Y are arbitrary, could one branch be 1", the other two branches being 2" and 3", as long as the angles are properly set?

If nobody replies to my posts it means I'm average?

Nice

>>2512491
Point me to your post and I will try to tell you.

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am i gonna make it?

>>2512505
>overuse of soft brush

why

>>2512508
did it in sai not used to photoshop brushes.

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Hey guys. Trying to get out of the current rut I'm in and add more depth to my paintings any and all help is always appreciated. Thanks again, /beg/

>>2512525
I like the start of that, but I feel like the cool/warm contrast is too forced. Having your monster be the only cool thing in the picture helps draw focus to it, but the transition as it currently stands is too harsh. I would either bring some warmth in the creature's shadows, or add cool elements in the environment's shadows. Basically you gotta blend the two a little.

>>2512535
Thanks! solid point, I'll get to it!

>>2512477
at least your writing is nice.

>>2512434
kek

>>2511212

Honestly reminds me of Dune with the suit and all.

>>2511531
In between procrastination and bored

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>>2512603

why do i still not understand how to draw a cube? am I retarded? I've watched that youtube video a few more times and I just don't get it

>>2512603
Is this a fish sandwich? A sleeping man in a bed of lips? An aliens closed fist? An abstact vagina?

>>2512609
I don't know your struggles but you're probably overthinking it.

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from ref thread

>>2512609
Use this and keep practicing:
http://jsfiddle.net/aldream/qsacq/

>>2512603
Looks like a minion of Cthulhu sleeping on a beanbag. Or a comb being inserted into a vagina.

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Please help.

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>>2511531
>Realization. This Sucks.

>>2512642
Bro your proportions are spot on and the hardest thing to nail down. You might be looking at this as a finished version but your shading is simply lacking layering upon layering upon layering that gives that depth. You're about 5% finished haha but you have a great start.

I'll post some progress pics of mine when in back in my PC so you can see the multi layer cross hatching process that builds on itself

>>2512645
If you busied the foreground with a crowd of people (can just be heads and general forms, with the few figures you already have as detailed areas), it would help the composition a lot.

>>2512630
great, that cube program is just what I was looking for. thanks anon

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>>2512650
Thanks, but I'm really just biting off more than I can chew. I don't have the rendering skill to make any of this better.

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>>2512535
added some variation, and more delicious cool elements, also, change the guy up to be running away in fear. Thanks again!

>>2512653
You captured local values well, but are lacking in range. Note how the crease between the breasts, and shadow created by her butt on her arm, are both darker than how you made them.

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i have a bunch of gouache and brushes and shit coming in the mail. i drew this up in photoshop cause i want to paint a fish. is there anything wrong with it?

>>2512654
Hey, you're the first anon that actually gave me a progress update after I tried to give out crit.

The harmony between these colors is so much better, the palette feels more like a complete pic!

If you're looking for what to do next, I'd draw more focus on the running guy as a secondary read. There was a value contrast that helped him stand out before, but now he kinda gets lost and you prolly wanna draw attention towards him somehow.

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>>2512656

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why does this cube seem so strange to me?

>>2512657
more good points! and that's a shame because everything you've said up to this point is pretty on the head. Thank you!

>>2512660
i lold but srsly u asshole, is there anything wrong with the sketch

>>2512661
There's nothing wrong with it, however the top of it is right at the horizon line (eye level). It's visually accurate, but flat objects that end perfectly at eye level look weird because you don't get any indication of their top plane.

>>2512374
Yeah, I thought they were off. I'll do that, thanks.

>>2512425
Your eyes m8. You draw anime eyes. Stop doing that. Real eyes are WAY smaller.

>>2512481
Yes. You'd be looking at a cube(assuming starting point is perpendicular to the ground) from, uh, below and off to the side. There may also be some internal rotation.

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Used my phone to draw thus. I quite like it even if it is really generic middle school shit
It shows that I've improved from elementary school drawings

>>2512411
>>2512497

>>2512668
i still love your art

>>2512701
Please be bait. If this is what you consider "improved" you must have been producing things that actually made people vomit before.

Sticky, Loomis, Keys to Drawing. Practice daily for a few months. Then come back.

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With my non-commitment I'll never be at a level to post anywhere else than this thread. Beginner for life.

Can I start studying anatomy with Vilppu?

>>2512794
i don't know, can you?

>>2512794
post work

Any guides/tutorials/anything about hatching/crosshatching/shading with a pencil? I've never really tried it before despite drawing it for years so I don't know much about it
Also, if I learn to shade with a pencil (if that's the right term), will I keep some of that knowledge when painting digitally?

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spent 30 mins on this and I already miss drawing qt white grills and anime tiddies

am I gonna make it?

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post loomis

>>2512918

You'll get used to it if you do it enough. Stepping out of your comfort zone is always, well, uncomfortable for a while.

I have pretty important exams and have to study for the next month and a half, after that I basically have a year out (Transition Year in Ireland)

My exams are a priority for me, especially maths, but I don't want to lose the skill I still have. (It took me a few days of studying art for a few hours a day to get back on track after a couple weeks of break from drawing every day)

I'm just worried what a month and a bit would do to me, maybe it's good to have a break once in a while, but would I be able to keep my skills plateaued if I had twenty minutes of focused art study? Maybe ten?

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the weather was nice today, so i creeped on people outside

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i should probably stop overlapping my sketches.

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How long do you think it takes before you stop being a beginner?

>>2513104
>>2513102

looks like you should focus on improving your line work. do a bunch of line drawing exercises and try to draw with your whole arm, trying not to repeat over lines

>>2513119
>A martial arts student went to a teacher and declared he wanted to learn the system, he was devoted and ready. How long would it take? The teacher replied: “Ten years.”

>The student, a bit impatient and not satisfied with the answer went ahead and said: But I want to master it faster than that, I will work every hard, practice 10 or more hours a day if necessary. How long would it THEN take? The teacher replied: “Twenty years.”

>>2513125
yeah, i'm definitely trying to improve my lines. i just started drawing from life a couple of days ago, i've seen some progress in the lines already but i gotta focus on it more. thanks for mentioning it

>>2513130
So the teacher is an asshole

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Can someone help me with cross-hatching? Using a Wacom Bamboo and Photoshop. Just can't get the hang of it.It's really fucking hard to get the really close lines with Bamboo. What paintbrush should I be using for it?

>>2513160
Same pic but without blue early sketch.

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>>2513162
shit, forgot pic

>>2513130
Can someone explain what that means? That impatience is only damaging?

>>2513160
>>2513162
>>2513164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L7iekotEtg

>>2513169
thanks

>>2513166
impatience is damaging, or it takes 10 years in pure practice to master?

>>2513174
20 hours a day to make it in 10 years

>>2513166
The more you worry about mastery and the less you focus, the longer it'll take.

Draw.

>>2513137
>>2513166
>That impatience is only damaging?
That's one way to take it. Another would be that the student doesn't understand mastery. The harder you work, the farther the goal post is going to keep moving. Even the "masters" of today still see room for improvement. It's not something you're going to catch, and a timeline isn't something you should worry about.

I'd estimate a couple hours a day for 2-3 months if I had to come up with a hard figure. I don't think it's something to fret over.

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I was searching for references of flatchested, asian, bodybuilders for OC anamand came upon this model so I'll be studying her body type for a while. Tell me how I'm doing.
The sketch is scaled down to 1/3rd of its 2000 x 2500

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>>2513190
*oc anatomy

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>>2510967
Am I doing it right?

>>2513195
you did it m8

>>2513052
What are you even doing? Fun with a pencil is practically useless in comparison to Drawing The Head and Hands.

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is this an improvement?

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why does betty edwards use the first one as an example of a bad cube? the cube program shows one that looks the same

>>2513220
Might be just the angle, but the start and select buttons look like they're on different planes of perspective, making it look distorted.

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>>2513223
how about this?

>>2513222
I think they're all supposed to be on a completely flat surface and viewed from straight ahead.

>>2513227
On second though that doesn't make much sense either. I think Betty Edwards fucked up.

>>2513179
>I'd estimate a couple hours a day for 2-3 months if I had to come up with a hard figure

nowhere near

>>2513222
I think the child's cube is supposed to be solid, making the back portion way larger than the front, while the 3D cube is transparent and the area labelled '1' is the backside. At least that's what it looks like to me.

>>2513195
holy fuck underated post here.

>>2512788
>thread. Beginner for life.
i wouldve let you post in reg thread without shitposting.

>>2513244
Thank you nosebro

>>2513244
can you explain to someone who just started posting in /ic/?

>>2513253
he's laughing at irakli (https://www.artstation.com/artist/nadar), a guy who uses photomanipulation and prentends that he spends weeks on it and actually paints them.

He recently got called out by ricky martinez, a shitty artist ( but with a good point)

People made 5+ threads on the subject but all got deleted.

He's poking fun at everyone.

>>2513257
How did they prove that he didn't really paint them?

>>2513257
>ricky martinez
>Ricky Martinez (born October 1, 1978 in the Dominican Republic) is a Dominican pornographic film actor,[1] best known to perform autofellatio.

Wow that's actually impressive.

>>2513259

They just reverse engineered what he does

To be fair, if you've ever even painted anything digitally before you can tell the guy is full of shit, it's painfully obvious

>>2513226
Must have been the angle I was looking from, looks very nice now

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how did i do senpai

>>2513265
bad desu

>>2513265
people would be more likely to help you if you werent such a fucking faggot.

>>2513193

Stop whatever you think you're doing and read the fucking sticky

You can't even copy a picture accurately, your drawing is a mess, how the fuck do you think you're going to study anatomy?

FOLLOW THE STICKY, DO THE WORK

So I have been drawing/coloring exclusively in Photoshop for about two weeks now and have been practicing lines. Straight lines, wavy lines and arches. Basically doing that "Confident Line Exercise" by that asian guy. I do think I am improving but it is still incredibly hard and I find myself only being able to draw my most stable lines at about 45 degree angle. I am really thinking about switching to Paint Tool Sai but I am worried that if I use the Stabilizer that it will just gimp me in the future if I ever need to draw decent lines without it. Opinions and tips well appreciated.

>>2513278

There's nothing wrong with using the stabilizer , unless you're cranking it up to some crazy level where you don't get natural lines anymore.

The stabilizer just helps to deal with the inherent wobbliness of tablet drawing.

Paint tool sai is a great and it's cheap, but you can also get lazy nezumi to stabilize your shit in PS.

If you want to practice your lines, I highly suggest you get some blank printer paper and a fineliner/ballpoint pen/pencil and practice that way too. Make sure you're practicing your ellipses, curves and everything else too. Circles/ellipses are going to take a lot of practice to get any level of competency with so get at it. This will help a lot with your ability to recognize where the problem is your dexterity and where it's the program.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk

Link to the exercises for anyone who doesn't have it, drawabox has stuff too so go there and do everything

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>>2513278
>confident line exercise by that asian guy

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I'm getting spoopy.

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>>2513306

>>2513307

This is not what a skull looks like, edgy stuff or not

Try doing a study of an actual skull, we can't really critique your doodles

>post pic
>request crit
>get ignored
>ask again
>everyone calls you a faggot and instead of constructive critique ("improve this" "train that") they shame you

Is it time to give up

>>2513331

Is your pic an actual study people can critique? Is it from the recommended work in the sticky? Is it one of the pictures recommended to study in a beginner thread, or something similar? Is it related in some way to art training?

Or is it a shitty doodle/some awkwardly bad porn thing?

>>2513331
maybe if you stopped drawing faggot stuff.

>>2513339
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no

>>2513343
Yes

>>2513346

Which picture is it? Is it the anime girl in the fart chamber? I don't remember seeing that particular exercise in Loomis. Maybe Hampton did a lesson on anime fart girls?

>>2513347
I'm not a weeb retard, I actually read Loomis and finished Fun with a Pencil a few weeks ago

And I ain't pointing my picture, I dislike bullying

>>2513352
>i dislike bullying

back to tumblr

>>2513352

If your picture is a serious attempt at learning, I'll genuinely try to help you. Quit being thin-skinned, leave your ego out of this. You're learning to draw, it's got nothing to do with your vanity.

>>2513355
Not that guy, but I think that if you're attacking the drawing, it doesn't matter how brutal you are. But if you're saying shit like "it's shit" "you're a faggot" then there's no value in that. Even if the subject matter is retarded anime farting girl, you should be able to criticize it properly.

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someone explain this part?

>>2513356
There comes a point where you should be able to realize all anyone is going to say is "Loomis." What can we critique about anime fart that would even remotely be useful? They need to grow some common sense and go to the fundamentals.

>>2513325
>This is not what a skull looks like.

Nigga, does it look like I made an effort to portray a realistic-looking skull? No, I just like to draw skulls without a construction first.

>Inb4 muh style.
No, I don't have it yet.

Anyways, what can I do if all I've read from the sticky is over? Do I keep drawing gestures, figures or else?

Let's say, Beginner II level.

>>2513356

Why should I sit here typing out a critique for someone who hasn't even bothered with the information they've already been given?

I'm not going to break down a drawing for someone when 'you didn't even try to learn' is applicable. Even if a study is total garbage, if the person seems like they were making a genuine effort to learn, I will sit here and try to help them. If someone is just dumping their mindless deviant-art garbage and looking for someone to hold their hand, no amount of critique will help them.

>>2513269
How am I being a faggot?

>>2513359
It's kind of self-explanatory.

>>2513366

>writes "muh style" in a sarcastic fashion
>uses muh style as argument for weak drawing

Good job faggot. You need more Loomis and definitely some Scott Robertson. You don't "like" drawing skulls without a construction, you can't and you were too lazy to even try. No one wants to see your shit doodles you made during your boring 8th grade math class. Put some effort into it.

>>2513366
>I WASN'T EVEN TRYING

Why post anything then?

>>2513366
Kill yourself.

>>2513366

>Nigga, does it look like I made an effort to portray a realistic-looking skull? No, I just like to draw skulls without a construction first.

You didn't draw a skull, you drew what you think a skull looks like and failed, because you're too lazy to try and draw an actual skull. Don't make excuses for yourself. If you're not constructing something as complex as a skull, with the ridiculous amount of information available on constructing the skull, you are doing things wrong.

If this is your mindset on drawing, then you did not study the material in the sticky. One of the very first books in there, keys to drawing, will teach you how to draw something accurately. You're not even trying to. You don't have to do it perfectly, you just have to try. Gestures, figures? You don't even know what you're doing or why.

Do the recommended work in the sticky in order of difficulty. Work through the exercises in Keys to Drawing, work through to exercises in the Loomis books, work through Perspective made easy. Find more books once you've worked through those. Do the exercises multiple times, try to apply the information to different subjects. There is YEARS worth of information in that thing to study from, if you actually make the effort.

>>2513359
just explaining the dimensions of a figure's outline and how it works in perspective?? what are you not understanding anon

>>2512648
Thanks, man. Tbh I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to values and shading, so that would be much appreciated.

>>2513306
Can someone explain what this is all about?

>>2513372
>You don't "like" drawing skulls without a construction, you can't and you were too lazy to even try.

Looks like you know me more than I do. Tell me, oh faggot, how I spend my life on an anonymous board lecturing people on things I don't know a shit about.

>>2513373
What if I post my more polished work? Yeah, I know.
>Le not gonna make it meme.

>>2513376
Your kind is fucking cancer.

>>2513382

>constructing something as complex as a skull
>Complex.

Fuck me. If you seriously think a skull is complex, then you must be living a hell drawing the whole of human figure.

Thanks for the only useful answer, anyways.

>>2513431

It's not the toughest thing in the world, but I wouldn't say that an anatomically correct skull is simple

>>2513431
This is dobson levels of autism

>>2513430
Feng Zhu. Was one of the first few guys with the official "concept artist" title in the 90s. Guy runs a design school and makes really in-depth tutorials for art on Youtube. Super humble guy and he's memed on for harping on about grinding fundamentals but he's still right.

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>>2513453

>>2513370
im assuming your art is gay?

>>2513459
You don't get off to from a girl being forced to smell toxic farts while stuck in a box?

>>2513461
im glad to say, im not.

>>2511961
Just felt like it was a chore. But that's no excuse to not try my best. I'll try harder next time, anon.

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>>2512625

>>2511531
Try - Interest - Bored
Rinse and repeat.
Unless this is counted as a daily routine.

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>>2511184
the key with lips is very much less is more, and make the centre part where the lips have the most shadow much darker then the outside, also you are still symbol drawing eyes it looks like that or you are just terrible add judging dark and lights.

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>>2512039
>>2512019
>>2511627
>>2511622
>>2511623
FINE ILL DO IT FOR THE STUPID KEK

YOUR ART FUCKING SUCKS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR POSTING IT HERE

Ill even tell you whats wrong with it, you have used zero composition elements to construct Anything that would even resemble an artwork. they all look like they where drawn by a preschooler especially the shapes one.

Have you ever heard of any of the following? because these "art pieces" have absolutely no design elements in them Unity Dominance/emphasis rule of thirds ? leading the eyes line of action not even fucking contrast like what the fuck...

>>2513218
>he didnt complete fun with a pencil?

>>2513431
not gonna make it with this retarded attitude

>>2513359
Whats the name of that book?

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>>2510967
Sorry abut the crappy photo. Quick sketch. I don't get to draw much because of university.

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fuck the heat

>>2511346
Look at how her breasts are lit compared to what you drew and you will see why it looks flat.

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>>2514782
my balls are sweaty

>>2512153
very funny