BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2507012

>smug voltaire

I almost thought I was on /his/ for a moment.
>artwork
>and
>critique

>>2507010
damn she's a qt

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>didn't have to make the new beg thread when i woke up

my man

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Reposting from last thread

How do you show lines in hair without being messy?

First attempt at digital drawing and painting.
Any tips on getting the precision of paper drawing on a tablet,
and painting realistic textures in Photoshop?

I know the hands are shit.

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please critique. im trying to do a night scene

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Thoughts on the face and dress construction?

>>2507347
isnt this referenced though?

>>2507303
I think you want to work on the larger form of the hair with as few lines as possible. Save defining the hair for the later stages with value.
>>2507347
Every thing looks like it was copied pretty accurate to me. I dont see any big problems other than that torso seems oddly thin and straight.

I suck though so my advice is probably off.

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I've decided to start drawing things from life, so I drew these trees. I'm impressed.

>>2507362
All right, thanks! I'll be adding some hair droping down on the other side, so it might break up that straight line-ness.
>>2507350
And, not by much beyond the pose and hair.

>>2507350
Do you have a reference of something like this, though? I'd like all the help I can get.

>>2507370
nice trees mang

>>2507379
no. but i uploaded this just for you.

http://imgur.com/a/XFdBd

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rip me

>>2507445
parkinsons/10

>>2507460
that bad huh?

>>2507462
they are just sketches and desu i like them , post some studies if u want feedback

>>2507543
>when desu becomes a habit
>kill me

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>>2507010

H-Here I go!

>>2507445
I dont think harsh feedback is the best, so asking for some 1 to rip open you butt hole isnt good. It is hard to give feedback though as it doesn't look like much time and effort was put into this.

Every thing looks ok enough but if there was one thing that could really improve fast it is the line quality. these strokes look short, choked up and hard. The way I like it, but not for my sketches.

>>2507561
I can't tell if you actually tried on the face, or you intentionally made it weird

Can somebody direct me to a lot of eyes for reference?

Much thanks to a gentleman that fulfills this.

>>2507324
It seems to me that the composition overall is good, and you did a real nice job on the reflected moonlight hitting the water.

Ways you might be able to improve it would be in my opinion playing more with color temperature and contrast.

For example, I can see that you are showing the light hitting the grass/buildings/bridge and etc., but I think because the values and color temperature are somewhat close I can't fully appreciate the effect.

I can't say I am an expert, but maybe try making the vegetation closer to an orange/yellow so the blue hue of the moon really shines through.

Also, feel free to go darker and more vague with the buildings, as you would probably want the viewer to focus more on the bridge and moon.

Last thing I would suggest would be to kick up the brightness for both the moon and bridge (which I should mention you did a good job on).

Just my two cents.

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>>2507572

so study faces then

>>2507590
https://www.3d.sk/photos/search/query//thumb/small/standard/1/category-5/21-30/category-19/Eye/page/1
You're welcome.

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>browse old beginner threads on warosu from over a year ago
>wonder where they all are now

comfy post-practice browsing tbqh

>>2507647
they have flown the roost, long, long ago

>>2507651
You really think so? Beginners of /ic/ don't have a sort of batman symbol they can look up to for inspiration? I know that kyle guy is popular and some guy named BBC.

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One from the previous beginner thread. I'm working on my draftsmanship and trying to convey a sense of liveliness in the drawing. I don't think I got the gesture down as well as I could have, and I wasn't consistent with my rendering. Any other advice aside from that is much appreciated, though.

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Another one from the previous beginner thread. I didn't get the likeness down as comfortably as I would have liked to, and I think that using a measuring grid would have been a better idea. I'm more happy with the rendering in this one, and I took a stab at getting the hair laid in.

>>2507656
I think you're thinking of BBC-Chan. to my knowledge, he or she runs a tumblr with a fairly consistent and high-quality output of pornographic work.

>>2507674
Crop, rotate and resize your shit.

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>>2507676
s-sorrg anon.

>>2507679
drop the anime

loomis

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>>2507681
Where do you think we are?

>>2507674
no chicken lines. practice drawing longer lines.

>>2507684
Why? Why even post here if you're just going to shitpost?

>>2507687
i gave him a chance

stop replying to bait

>>2507686
b-but I'm scared I'll mess up
>>2507687
I'm not. Don't tell me what art style to choose, especially on a wapanese imageboard

>>2507691
You don't want to go through Loomis/Vilppu etc. and the rest of the fundamentals because it's boring. I've seen your kind before. When you burn out in 6 months and get discouraged because your mangashit is still 12 year old deviantart-tier you'll remember this.

I still don't understand why people refuse to acknowledge how important a baseline level of understanding is.

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What is actually going on if your art looks more poorly drawn the more you zoom out?

>>2507679
back to your containment board
>>>/a/

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I should work on perspective right?

>>2507697
I'd gladly learn fundamentals. I'm only covering 2D basics to further enhance my 3D skills. Though, telling someone to completely drop a certain style is a little ridiculous, no?
>>2507722
Don't fret, I'm not returning

>>2507657
Weakest point in the drawing is the arm/hand/clavicula

>>2507725
Focusing on a style too early will create crutches in the future and lead to bad art. It's okay to aspire for a style but making it a priority in the beginning is not the plan.

>>2507728
Indeed, wise words

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What do you guys think?

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Hey, its me again. Was wondering if anyone could tell me what they thought of my work so far.

Been drawing for a while now, trying to get anatomy down.

>>2507748
guy or girl?
wheres the horizon (if perspective)?
Is the head tilted down?
ill red

read the sticky if you havent already

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>>2507716
something just need to be simplified if youre drawing from far away, this means that as you go further out your silhouette is more and more important.

so just block your shapes in. This is especially through in your case since youre letting the brush itself do the work and create strands.

>>2507761
somethings * true*

>>2507757
Have read the sticky.

it's a guy.

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Why is symbol drawing such a bitch? I'm doing the second exercise from keys to drawing, anything you guys can tell me that will help? I refuse to give up no matter how difficult things may get

>>2507727
Thanks, I made a note on that. Is that the left arm or the right arm - just to be specific. Is the rest of it passable, or is the arm sort of the most terrible thing among other terrible things?

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guys what do you think personally of the book Keys To Drawing by Bert Dodson. i just ordered it 2 days ago and want to get better

just did this and i know i'm not good but i want to get better,yet i don't want to waste money on bad stuff

>>2507803
literally downloadable for free

>>2507814
i hate pdf

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>>2507784
did you really read the sticky though? Because it gets updated and I'm suggesting you read the 25 page one.

Is it possible to get better at anatomy and faces from just drawing from life everyday?

>>2507817
Oh okay, It makes more sense now. Thanks man.

Also, yea, I read it. I'm just working on that stuff from what I learned.

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Drew this up last night. I know the hands are super fucked. Tips and donations?

>>2507826
look. Negative space. You show know that bump to the right on her left hip ends after the arm comes in. But if you look at your your bump ends way further and the arm is still above.

Now multiply not looking at your negative space a couple more times and you can easily fix all these things.

Then thers the issue of just looking at angles properly, for example the hand on the left, her right hand has a 50-60 degree angle towards the bottom. Yours more at like 75-80. These are easy fixes if youre just looking.

Good luck, love you too.
Read the sticky.

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how do you start drawing from reference?

I've done some stuff with construction, but never from reference.

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Is this the right way to practice figure drawing?
I'm currently on drawabox lesson 8 and I'm having some trouble.
Please don't mind the chicken scratch as I'm just finding the right method.

>>2507830
>how do you start drawing from reference?

u draw

>>2507830
Read keys to drawing

>>2507868
I'm not familiar with drawabox, but the best way to start learning figure drawing is to focus on gesture. Focus on seeing the figure as a whole and trying to capture its action. This method will stop you from stiffening your poses and eventually you can build anatomy atop the gesture.

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aaaaa took me 20 mins and not upto par xd

>>2507898
It looks light. Are you using HB or something? Switch to 2B.
Anyhow for a beginner, you dont seem to have a problem with chicken scratches which is a good thing.
Draw bigger and be more aware of the proportions.

>>2507901
I am infact using hb. What's the advantage of using 2b??

>>2507902
Nevermind. Just read "it looks light"

>>2507898
Pretty damn good anon, some mild problems though. The way you've drawn his pupils gives him crazy looking eyes. Darken the cornea and add a highlight. The ball of his nose is angled downwards but you've drawn it exposing too much of the bottom plane and nosrils. Ears are also a little too small.
I love the way you captured his lips though. I struggle with that shit but you made it look effortless.

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I'm in the middle of Steve Hustons course on heads, and at this point he says to get the form of the head to be as boxy as possible so the perspective is clear and that it can be rounded out later, but I feel like I'm getting something wrong every time. These ones are from imagination.

Anyone care to point it out?

On another note, they all look samey: a masculine adult. If I wanted to make a woman or a kid, how would I change it? This may get answered later in the course but I'm just really anxious for feedback.

Nothing worse than building on a mistake for a long time and having to go back and retrain yourself.

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>>2507917


for reference this is one he drew.

>>2507909
thanks fampai. you probably already know this but regarding lips- "less is more" :^)

>>2507917
Loomis in Head/Hands goes over the subtle differences between genders and age but in short, womens features are much more rounded than mens are.

>>2507917
draw a box first if that helps.
You made the face boxy enough, but the cranial mass is totally round, there isn't even a hint of corners in any of those heads.

Draw a box with head proportions, then go through and add the features and construct it further.

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>>2507010
Having some trouble memorising what I have taken too doing in the last couple of days is just looking for those wireframes of heads and other body parts and memorising them, I think ive got the basics of the head down, im just wondering If I should be creating brand new wireframes from my mind and possibly getting them wrong or should I be using a reference and making my own wireframe of that reference then try doing it again without looking at the reference so I get more accuracy? im mostly loss as I can draw with my eyes REALLY well but am absolutely shite at drawing anything beyond a sketch from imagination, Like I can picture something in my head really easily its just that when my finger comes to paper it doesnt turn out as intended, so I figure i just have to memorise more stuff from real life? and I will slowly get better at drawing without reference of any kind? my main goal at the moment is to get bodies down pat so I can quickly draw a figure in rough perspective, and be able to shade it ect by eye.

>>2507961
Drawing from imagination is hard and to me it just seems like a way to feel discouraged when you're first starting out

I honestly think drawing from multiple references is a fine way to get your skills and visual library up

If you feel like you're getting a lot out of challenging yourself by not having a reference then go for it but you might find it harder seeing the mistakes you made

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Recently started drawing again.. This is by far better than the stuff i drew some months ago, even if i didn't practice in the meantime. Nevertheless, i'm still not satisfied, still looks like a child drew it, but i cannot put a finger on it. Any advice?

>>2508031
you're chicken scratching for one thing.

>>2508031
Look up Peter Han's Dynamic drawing to combat the chicken-scratching

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please help with right arm and ugly jaw please

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Face study
Manga face is more harder

>>2507793
Mostly just repetition. Your eyes will pick up on more subleties over time and your hand will get better transferring it onto the paper.

Many people here disagree, but I think it's a good idea to mindlessly copy actual drawings (would be hand drawings in your case) frequently to understand how artists interpret 3D information onto the paper. That doesn't mean you should neglect drawing from life though.

>>2508043
Sketch and construct before you paint when youre still at that level

>>2508220
Also dont draw asic bitches its unpleasant to look at
bad taste/10

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Copying gets easier with time and practice, r-right?

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Finished Loomis - Fun With a Pencil and trying to draw stuff from imagination.

>>2508324
That's pretty good famtaro. Not great, mind you, but if these are some of your first formal attempts at drawing I can safely say that you're going to make it if you keep it up. Consider Figure Drawing for All It's Worth or Figure Drawing: Design and Invention next

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>>2507010
How is this

>>2508358
Almost literally nothing

>>2508361
But is the construction well? How do I make sure it's right?

>inb4 Loomis fun with a pencil

>>2508358
finish it

>>2508379
I tend to polish shit turds, can't seem to notice subtle flaws

>>2508367
Loomis: Figure Drawing for All it's Worth

>>2508348
Thanks anon. Im planning to read design and invention next.

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>>2508385

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what do you guys think of nsio

>>2508393
Finish the drawing before posting, dont do this step by step crap

>i suck
Yeah, you do suck.

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how can 2 weeks of not drawing in mid training be so debilitating?


I went out for a 2 weeks trip in japan (didn't draw in this time span)

Came back and everything is wrong

>>2508422
holy fuck you weeb. I regret ever supporting you.

>>2508422
you missed the alt art thread

posting weebshit here will only get you yelled at

>>2508449
b-but nosebro

ç_ç

>>2508451

I post there for actual weebz drawing advices

I post here for general beginner questions

>>2508467
next time dont go to japan and not draw for 2 weeks you sad fuck. Why the fuck is shit eating a plate?

>>2508470
i-i did some gesture drawing on some random paper while there

That would like to be a donut

But donuts aren't so easy to find and we don't eat it usually in italy, so i'm not familiar with it

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>>2508474
its just a torus shape man.

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>>2507829
Hey that wasn't me but this is good advice I think. I'll make sure to keep this in mind while I am learning and thank you.

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Some practice doodles..trying to get better at shading and lighting n stuff.

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Tried my hand at gesture drawing with a few 5 minute poses. Could I get some feedback on how I'm doing on gesture/flows, as well as any repeated mistakes you can spot?

I'm not worried about anatomy for these, I know in some parts torso construction is pretty awful, that's something I'm gonna look at in the next days as I look more into anatomy. Friend told me to start with gesture first if I wanted to learn figure drawing.

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sorry for the photo quality

>>2508673
at least it's resized

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>>2507647
I started painting around 2 years ago because /ic/ told me my drawings were shit and they were right, after learning, practicing and improving you will find out that you can no longer grow here and you need to start circle jerking with the good artists and learn from them, you will make it anon, keep practicing.

I still come here every now and then, im no Tehmeh but this place made me improve a lot.

>>2508696
When you say "can no longer grow here" do you mean the beg thread or /ic/ in general?

what should i draw when i'm just like, "i wanna grind out some practice"

I sometimes do figure drawing, but aside from that? What are the basic exercises to do in spare time?

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is it fine if I do my 30 second gestures like this? I've seen artists like villpu to have this rhythm in your lines with 3 different types of line strokes. I tried this but I can't wrap my head around it without doing this basic stick figure type stuff.

What are some cheap traditional materials for a beginner to start with?

Or should I just bite the bullet and buy a graphics tablet?

>>2507012
>those mold lines

>>2507746
Were you going for the uncanny valley look?

>>2508735
That's not gestures though, that's stick figures. Gestures don't have to represent specific limbs, and it's even better if you can find relationships between parts of your figure and unify them in a single line.

Remember you're looking for the underlying flow of your figure, not to construct a torso with four limbs and a head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
I was linked this video recently, I find it helps explain it pretty well.

>>2508732
also this

>>2508732
If you wanna practice drawing from life, get a bunch of clutter from your house together and try to draw it while paying close attention to perspective, shapes, and negative space. If you have some time you can throw some shading onto it too. These kind of exercises never hurt.

You can also pick a specific object from your surroundings and try to sketch it in a more detailed fashion. Start with the general form, and try to add detail and shading while remaining wary of stuff like perspective.

Basically draw from life if you're bored, any subject is good and will help improve your understanding of space a lot.

>>2508740
pencil for 50 cents
200 stack printer paper for $5

>>2508758
thanks mang

>>2508740
Semi-OT, a starter tablet is around $100 and will give you pretty decent results, I started with one.

So if you're considering going digital at all, start with a cheap tablet and get used to it for a few months before deciding if you want to drop $400-800 for the bigger ones. A large tablet is more of a QoL improvement than an actual boost to your skills anyway.

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Adventures with Hampton.

>>2508759
So do I just throw out the paper after I draw on it or what? Or maybe hole punch it and store the good ones on a binder?

The problem with this is that you don't have a nice pad of paper to push down on when you draw. Though I guess that's easily fixed with a clipboard or something

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>>2508831
good lord you're one of those guys who never draws because they're waiting for the right sketchbook to come along uhhhhh

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how can i improve this?

>>2508831
just go to walmart and buy a sketchbook m8
theyre like $7.00

>>2508846
what dyu mean improve it baby

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Okay. I'll bite. Didn't want to upload my gestures until a week into it

I watched Proko, read Hampton and Vilppu on the subject. I did my best to not draw the contours, but drawing the flow instead and tried with as little lines as possible to get the idea of the pose across. Still everything looks off and I can't tell why because I've been doing it for so long. Anyone provide any insight?

>>2508851
i mean is there anythig i did wrong and how can i fix it

>>2508871
you're probably just thinking about it too much. Just relax and listen to chill music when you gesture.

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>>2508043

>>2508871

Try a few more seconds. For me I find that 30 sec gestures are a bitch, but when I put the timer to 45 that helps. Keep going, you've only scratched the surface of this, it's gonna take some time till it comes off naturally. Also watch other people do gestures, but don't copy them, try to learn

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>>2508871
This: >>2508886
try to loosen up and make your strokes faster.
Don't worry about being too deliberate.
You want to capture your first impression of the pose.
It's okay to draw more lines, just draw lighter and use dark marks to emphasize the major curves

>>2508886
>>2508896
>>2508898

thank you my senpaitachi

>>2508837
Not exactly. I've filled two sketchbooks so far in the past year or so
>inb4 you're not gonna make it, I fill two sketchbooks A WEEK etc. etc.
I'd like to continue drawing without worrying about the cost of materials and am considering purchasing a tablet, but its a very expensive purchase for me. I just wanted some advice on cheap materials people use.

But anyway, I've figured it out. Here is some math:

Standard Tablet: ~$100
Most warranties are 2 years, meaning the tablet should last around 3 years with good maintenance
Pack of Ballpoint Pens (or Pencils): ~$2-3
Sketchbook: ~$7 for 100 sheets/200 pages
Copier paper: $5 for 500 sheets

Now assuming I continue drawing at my current rate (200 sheets/400 pages per year) It will take me ~20 years of continuous drawing at this rate to match the price of the tablet, using the copier paper.

Copier paper (at least, until I get better) it is. I fished out an old clipboard. And a binder for documenting progress.

Thanks >>2508759

>>2508831
A stack of printer paper on a clipboard is what I use, but you can make a pad out of printer paper by just brushing some rubber cement along one side. You can have loose sheets bound into a book for a modest fee at many office supply stores (tableguy did this).

>>2508735
>>2508749
Okay so I tried loosening up and only focusing on the motion of the figure using as little lines as possible. I filled up several sketchbook pages but all of my gestures look extremely disproportionate. This is the problem, I cant draw something proportionate without thinking about drawing the contours and such. But when I think about the contours I get a stiff pose. I don't know what to do.

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I need positive help and advise/criticism

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Acrylics on panel. It a gift for someone special.
Texas hence the skull. Going to ad a native flower to the corner . will post pic of said flower.

>>2509011
resize

>>2508324
Looks pretty good but the faces look a bit samey

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guys how long did it take you to learn how to draw.

i am learning slowly,but feel like i am still shit

(left is pure shit right is best i think)

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Critiques?

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>>2509027

>>2509026
>how long did it take

rofl

you never stop learning, all you have is progress

also you should focus on basic construction before adding details

>>2509026
read the sticky, and it's not gonna be quick. Good artists spend years getting where they are.

>>2509033
quit scratching me chicken

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First memory/imagination drawing done in around 3-5 minutes.

The hands, feet, and head are fucked intentionally, I wasn't trying to focus on them. What I am trying to get right is the gesture, construction, and anatomy of the torso, arms and legs. The right is my chicken scratch construction, and the left is the "final product". So fuck me up senpai.

>>2509135
You don't get to say something was fucked up intentionally.

Apologize to us.

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How are my organic forms /ic/

>>2509172
how are my glorified scribbles with circles wrapped around them? seriously I fucking hate that exercise lol. its just to teach you how to draw elipses and understand a very basic form.

>>2509140
sorry babe

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Reffed, what do you think

>>2509172
Symbol/10

>>2509177
A better exercise is to take a simple cylindrical ref and construct it using this. Trees are pretty good

>>2509135

I like the gesture one more, but since it's fucked up in various areas, the "finished" one carried those errors and magnified them. don't do that

Keep working mang

>>2509026

>nigger lips

Is chicken-scratching bad, or is it ok to do it? I see some saying it makes the art shit, but I see others that make the art look good.

>>2509505
if you're not 100% in control of it, chicken scratching always looks bad.

>>2509513
not 100% in control as in doing it unconsciously?

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Reffed, what's wrong?

>>2509530
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>>2509566
Glad that's all :)

>>2509570
It's also sideways and has weird shadows over it. I don't feel like clicking on it and turning my head to see the actual drawing, but it probably has issues too. If only you posted it properly...

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>>2509515
if you haven't gotten confident making an accurate image with clean and confident lines first, 'chicken scratches' will always look bad, but then you don't see any true chicken scratching in professional works since it's intentional, it would be more or a textured line or repeated long lines if it's a sketch. as opposed to where the lines often interfere with the readability of the image. also messy chicken scratched lines can make you see the image as better than it is by cheating details and shapes that you can't define, so it's best to get out of the habit. draw with your arm/lock your wrist/fingers and it shouldn't happen

i have quite a lot of free time to draw right now, but I have no idea how to manage it/what i should be focusing on/what skills i should work on. can anyone advise me?

>>2509692
sticky

>>2509705
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Second time, same shit. Read the OP and conform to the rules if you want people to spend time giving you the same beginner feedback they've given 1000 times over already.

Otherwise, get the fuck out.

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>>2509718
ok

>>2509684
I need your blog if this is your piece.

So I'm thinking of giving Keys to Drawing another go (since according to the sticky, it's a must), but I also want to learn how to use different inking tools for my drawings. Do I have to use a pencil for that book or can I use ink such as a brush pen to a nib pen?

>>2509720
You need to slow way down when drawing this kind of stuff. Take the time to actually measure. I'm not talking eyeball "this is probably fine" measure, actually measure. Either hold the pencil up or use internal landmarks of the body to judge. The legs are tiny and so is his lower body in general, and you are chickenscratching like mad.

Slow down, measure, draw it again. You have some work ahead of you with figures, but as long as you keep drawing them and keep asking here or looking into stuff yourself when you know something is wrong, you will get there.

>>2509733
not him and that anon's probably not the actual guy, but Marek Jarocki:
https://www.instagram.com/marekjarocki/?hl=en
http://marekjarocki.tumblr.com/

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Some doodles here

>>2509786
>5312x2988
not even trying at this point

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I'm working on figure, trying to incorporate a bit of the landmarks of the body. What do you guys think about these? I'm trying to put some more mass into my gestures. Do they look stiff?

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>>2509837

And another

Also, what is your favorite book/method to learn figure drawing?

I'm reading Hampton's Design and Invention and it's pretty good so far

>>2509843
I agree. Hampton just resonates with me so much better than Loomis when it comes to figures, I dunno what it is.

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first attempt at a face study. i didn't want to directly sample the colors, so they look a little yellow.

>>2509848
loomis is dated as fuck that's why

>>2509848
It's the color printing. Hampton is really able to explain how muscles and bones relate to each other and the colors delineating them are hugely useful. Loomis remains the best artist to defer to when it comes to the head and face by a large margin, though.

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i don't really draw desu

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Any tips? Values are hard

>>2509898
can you paint my face?

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Been trying to do more values studies since i would like to get better at rendering, if you can give me advice that would be great!

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How to shade?

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I've been trying the first lesson on drawabox for the past week, and it's too much for me. my ghosted lines, my ellipses, my boxes are all noticeably shit. am I retarded?

>>2509976
better than mine

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eye

>>2509976
>am I retarded?

It takes a long time to get your line control strong, you're going in the right direction.

>>2508787
but this is not a perfect world

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>>2507010
>tfw no discipline
posting so I have extra incentive to continue later

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This shit is making my brain hurt. why is this not clicking for me?

>>2509787
I can't upload anything higher for some reason. Then again it's from my phone, so maybe it's that.

>>2510067
Why are you trying to do 5-point? Focus on 1, 2, and maybe 3 point.

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>>2510075
I'm trying to do pic related. I don't think I understand what I'm doing at all, even though the material seems to make sense

>>2510071
you can resize things in paint

>>2510077
The general consensus here is to not worry too much on that exercise. As long as you understand the structure of x-point perspectives, you're better off.

Is it OK to have fun drawing when I'm bad at it, or should I just do drawabox exercises until I'm not terrible? I'm scared to draw anything and build bad habits

>>2510105
Ofcourse! its hard to enjoy drawing when not having fun with it! just do "studies" once and awhile and draw what you like from life so it can be even more fun!

>>2510134
follow up question, how do I have fun drawing? everything I draw is ugly, and it stresses me out looking at a blank page

>>2510171
Thats a hard one, anon. I never really had this issue most of the time but i will give you what i think is helpful. Just keep drawing and know you will get better ( i was having this mindset when i started out while doing a sketchbook a month) but sometimes if your scared of the white blank page just do it and believe in yourself.

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Alright, what am I fucking up, and how do I make this look good

>>2510171
And having fun with drawing can be hard sometimes mainly during an art block but what you want to do is draw what you like, for example i like how something looks and i draw it and maybe do some imagination stuff with it!

>>2510171
Commit to relaxing yourself before you start drawing. There are so many ways to have fun while drawing, but you need to remember that if you're two to three months into it and still hate the process of drawing, it might not be for you. Once you begin to love the process of drawing it makes things almost exponentially easier the more you draw.

>>2510188
Did you think about the pose before you started drawing? Because I can't tell what he is supposed to be doing. Trying to talk through a welding helmet on a walkie talkie while stabbing another dude in the groin with some clawed knuckles?

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>>2510194
Something along the lines of this. I haven't worked on guy two at all, mind you.

I'm in the beginner thread for a reason, anon

>>2510188
welcome to the wonderful world of figure drawing. you've got a lot to learn

>>2510188
Anon i could be wrong but the legs are not the same length and the neck looks like it must be cranked forward. I think you were thinking about the distance on the ground and that the feet shouldn't be even because they are different distances. How ever that is not so, unless the other leg is standing on some thing and in which case it should be bent and not streight.

The head looks a little too far forward to be comfortable and the pose seems very static. The hips, shoulders and spine are all straight, so he looks stiff.

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>>2510214

>>2510214
>>2510203
>>2510194
Thanks for taking a look at it. I'm trying to get better, honest

>>2510224
glad to see youre moving past your DUDE WEED LMAO phase

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>>2507010
I hope this image won't be too big. I'm not sure what I need to work on at this stage.
>inb4 everything

>>2510231
Actually, looking at it from afar, I messed up on a lot of places (i.e. her right limbs, head, feet).

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she looks like she got beaten up

>>2510228
i smoked a few times and never did any pictures under the effect of it, i hope i'll get a little better, thanks!

>>2510235
She got beat up so hard the color drained from her body.

>>2510237
all of it went to her face to make bruises

>>2510235
I think eyebrows make or break an expression, check the OP. Her's are more angled as to evoke a confident look, whereas yours looks confused.

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>>2509011
Aight I did a 10 min over paint.

My thoughts:

Design:
It looks sorta like a cow skull or definitely some type of herbivore other than the bottom jaw and teeth. The jaw is too thin and the teeth dont have form or exhibit function. The front and back of the skull are impossibly small and again dont match the bottom. Horns are also made from a different material than the rest of the skeleton so it shouldn't look like it is the same. Look at real animals and think why they have that form.

Fundamentals:
The shadow shapes need to be stronger and more consistent and the whole thing other than the eye and background lack a range of values. I think if you draw out the shadow shapes and figure out where you darkest values are and fill them in first will help strengthen t he drawing. It will also give it some hard edges and clear separation. It wont help it look photo real, but it will help it read better and look more solid.

That is all i could think of and if you dont agree just ignore me. I dont paint yet and have no exp in it.

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I started to draw recently and start drawing exprecione and poses... Please critique my shit

>>2510249

Tbh you hardly made it better

>>2510293
so much so, maybe its the same artist commenting on his own art?

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4rtw0rk

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>>2507010
Itried

>>2510224
dude I've been missing you where tf have you been

>>2508187
holy fuck man thats awesome

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Aside from the eyes, which are pretty obviously stylized, what else is lacking?

Feels like the neck is too long.

>>2510313
You've made the classic mistake of making the features too big. If you really look at a person their eyes are quite small. The shadow of the brow/socket give the illusion that they're bigger + most people emphasize eyes as they are the natural focal point of the face.

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Can't for the fucking life of me figure out legs. Feels like form and structure is all wrong.

>>2510318
shouldve tried taking a nice picture while youre at it.

>>2510341
thanks my dude

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>>2510340
She's showing too much of her teeth. Look at pic related and notice how only the top line of teeth are exposed. (Unless of course your drawing is meant to have a cheesy forced grin?)

>>2510346
Nah, that was definitely a slip on my part. mouth is way too big. Thanks dude.

>>2510343
Maybe try to figure out where the leg joints actually are vs. where the parts seem to hinge in your drawings? I feel like the biggest problem is I'm seeing a few disjointed knees and ankles.

>>2510343
Those look pretty well drawn honestly, very graceful. Perhaps you should simplify them into cylinders and work on constructing the legs in perspective before you work on contour/anatomy.

>>2510235
go home and be a family man

>>2510351
>>2510352

I'll take a step back with some photoref and give it another shot more simplified forms and joints. Thanks.

That feel when you have no time to draw because you're too busy studying for exams
I'm seriously itching to work on my art skills because I wanna get gud so badly

>>2508846
Two things I'm noticing:

1. It looks like she's (?) supposed to have glasses, but the way you drew them doesn't work. The nose and ear parts are there, but the lenses aren't. Either draw the lenses (remember, they won't warp around to the side of her face like you seem to have thought here) or get rid of the glasses.

2. Her balance looks off, like she would fall backwards if she weren't holding on to the machine. Only having one leg visible also looks strange here, as does the lack of an apparent pelvis. Scrap everything below her shirt, add a pelvis, and then draw two legs that she can properly stand on.

Aside from that stuff, not bad at all.

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>>2509027
>>2509033
So I went back over this without scratches, made a best attempt at shading and actually researched how to draw hair.
how'sit

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What do you guys think of this?

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>>2510383

reference

>>2510375
Symbol drawing and construction issues.

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>>2510375

>>2510395
ignore the eye just realized i drew it anime accidentally. just look at positioning if anything.

Eyebrow still stands.

>>2510383
do eight more

>>2510383
The tilt of the head is wrong. In the reference pic you can can see the bottom plane of her jaw.
Due to foreshortening her face isn't separated into perfect thirds, each third moving upwards from the jaw should progressively become shorter.
The features also wrap around the head, in your drawing they look as if they exist on a flat axis.
You've drawn the cranium much to small.
The lips in your drawing lack volume and look flat.

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I'm just learning to put eyes on a basic boxy face but I'm struggling. Can anyone help me? Didn't use a reference for these but I will be doing some from reference later on.

>>2510395
Thanks for the detailed reply anon.

>>2510409
I'd be more concerned about how large you've made the nose. It should be much shorter.

>>2510418

Hehe, I didn't get to the nose unit yet. Ill make sure to keep that in mind.

test

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>>2510409

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dam this is my 4th post in this thread

i like how these came out so that means there is something wrong. where did i mess up?

>>2510427
The construction of the palm looks wonky in a lot of these, especially those on the bottom right. Make sure you draw a really consistent and solid shape
In none of these have you indicated the joints of the palm which moves in tandem with the fingers.
You've drawn the thumb extending out from the side of the palm when it's actually slightly beneath it.
I feel you need to work on your structure as a lot of these hands feel flat and linear. As difficult as it may be, try some more extreme angles so that you can show the way all the parts overlap which makes it clear they exist in 3D space.
Also, work on your linework. It isn't terrible but it feels very sketchy in a lot of places making it hard to read the image.

>>2510455
thanks! it was my first time so i'll keep all this in mind

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Trying to make a proportionate figure. Help?
It should be the right height based on the lines, but the width might be wrong and its arms look awful.

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i've been drawing for five years and i just realized i have no idea how to actually draw. so now i'm here, i guess.

>>2510562
Same

>>2510562
wait what? what were you doing before?

>>2510603
Not him, but I've been drawing all my life, and only recently tried to learn how to do it right

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Kill me

>>2510603
started doing anime then moved on to less anime-like stylization, but i never learnt the basics.

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>>2510562
welcome to the club

>>2510619
Same here. I've been drawing since I was a little kid but never bothered how to draw correctly. Its been about a week since I've Been studying.

>>2510622
Not a bad gesture drawing, put in some ground tones and don't bother with so much construction on the head, it's not necessary when the thing you're drawing is right there in front of you.

Also people generally have more fingers than that.

>>2510224
This would look a lot better with traditional media like oils or pastels I think.

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Just got done with the tinted bottle exercise from Keys to Drawing. I think I may have rushed it a bit.

How often should one do a drawing based out of your imagination?

alot of goals in drawing is being to draw what you want with out a still life right? so how often would you do that?

>>2510726
Why are none of the lines in your bottle parallel?

I'm not even trying to point out a mistake I'm genuinely curious to know how you did it.

>>2510731
It depends what your objective is.

Drawing from imagination develops different skills t b h, but you first need technical knowledge for it to work well.

I would say to stick primarily with studies until you feel confident, then figure out a ratio that works for you. There's no hard number, whatever keeps you engaged with your art is what's most important.

>>2510747
I don't really know much about how I went about it. I just tried my best to draw what I see. Do I need parallel lines? I feel so stupid about not knowing how to construct parallel lines.

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>>2510321
thanks, ive been trying to study, i hope i can draw more.
>>2510721
i'll try, thanks!

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Tried redoing my male anatomical study more slowly this time. I lined up the points where certain joints on different parts of the body meet and made it a bit bigger

>>2510622

Her left leg is toooooo long

hurry am at the store and the only gouache they have is by a brand called the fine touch. is this decent or not?

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>>2510097
I got to a scanner at school and cleaned it up. Better?

>>2510948
read the op

1k by 1k is fine

>>2510927
wow nm just read up on hobby lobby. ill just stick to amazon and such

>>2510948
look at your negative space and compare lenghts, for example the right arm on the guy top right.

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>>2510848
your feet have no form/ escalation ramp
Look at the amount of height a feet gains and how it gains it.

Youre at the level where you start thinking about really getting the details. So REALLY PAY ATTENTION THE THE LITTLE BUMPS ON THE BODY. For example, look at the bump that should be right before the pelvis.

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>>2510726
use form and pay extreme attention the the ellipses. itll make sense HOW you fucked up if you do.

>>2510469
take good pictures of people wont care, use form to build bodies.

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>>2510988
nose i swear to god if i hear the words "escalation ramp" one more fucking time

>>2509887
youre foreheads are too big, your ar is fantastic. Your necks escalation into the skull ( from the back) is lacking. Look at a reference.

>>2509326
splendid, but her neck is fucked, and you should take better pictures.

>>2509026
honestly, you know you don't draw, just draw more or give up.
even the picture is fucked and we can see a shadow. god damn you,

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Kind of basic, but I tried to do an imagined portrait to practice value without reference.

I know the anatomy is a bit off and the brush strokes are messy, but does the lighting seem believable?

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>>2510999
what are escalator ramps?

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>>2511006

>>2510967

New thread.

>>2511013
>telling other people how to draw when you can't draw yourself

>>2510996
Not allowed to. For class but can't get ahold of teacher till next week. Maybe it's shoulders are too narrow?

>>2511017
ok look, if you want any help from anyone for proportions dont go calling it "its", is it a boy or a girl? Either way, you didnt use form, and thats the problem ( or maybe you just dont have reference). And im doubting you actually aren't allowed to.


If its a girl: hips and tits, 8 heads is too much
if its a guy: more muscle definition more squarishness.

Whatever it is: You cant take a picture at an angle it scews everything.

>>2511023
female figure.
I was told it has to be 8 heads.
Will find reference picture, thank you.
Was going off of one that I had already drawn from life drawing, but it was still pretty crap.

>>2510984
I tried to foreshorten that arm, unsuccessful. I should work on that more.

>>2510984
Oops I meant the bent arm was my attempt at it. Sorry

>>2511028
it honestly sounds like you have someone teaching by reading a book for beginners. 8 heads for a woman is massive. Heck, 8 heads for a man is "ideal" but I doubt its more than 50% of man honestly. Think about midgets/babies/small mans do you really think they reach 8? Same for women.

>>2511034
when people refer to THE right arm, think about the characters right arm. I was talking about THE right arm being way too big/long.

Do yourself a favor and do these 2 things, put your feet to your arm, look at how much space it takes, then wrap your arm around your head, look at how much space it takes.

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>>2510991

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photoref and life value study, can you guess which is which? :P

>>2510991
Thanks for the outline, anon. I only saw the bottle as one big shape, and didn't notice other inner shapes.

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>>2507010
I finished the drawing, scanned, and realized the lines were too light. I rapidly darkened the drawing and scanned again, so some of the details of the short were lost

I'd very much appreciate advices.

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Never posted on here, so anything is appreciated. It's feels super flat and my shading is poop.

>>2507550
desu was always a habit
>>2507445
the flow of the body is unnatural, I'd recommend an intense figure drawing session and then trying again with a similar theme.
If the thread's still alive, post here again and we'll see the difference.

>>2508324
some look like nic cage