Beginner Thread

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>>2409119

The new sticky also breaks everytime you try to modify it so im porting it to Reddit as well n case https://www.reddit.com/r/xnosebro/comments/46sb9k/ic_a_sticky/ , if anyone knows of a better wiki website please do tell.

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>>2409127

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>>2409130

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>>2409132

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>>2409156

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>>2409158

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Drew it from the old thread. Can someone please redline me or help me improve? I also don't know how to shade well.

It took me way too long to even do this.

>inb4 shit image quality, I know, I don't have anything else sorry

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>>2409164
im sure if you had a good grasp of photoshop you could do better, but this is the best i can do with sai.

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How do I fix this, I just got a new pc and it didn't do this on the old one

>>2409175
windows basic- MY NIGGA!

what is it doing?

>>2409164

The biggest problem is the proportion problem of the shoulders and the neck being really long.

>>2409170
thanks, this is actually way better than a redline. Looks like I was pretty off on a lot of things, I'll probably fix it in a bit.

>2poor4photoshop

>>2409177
>what is it doing?
Do you see how it breaks the curve into a bunch of hard angles?

>>2409180
thats your drivers, reinstall them. If not, you need to active driver support in your sai options.

its odd because you still have lineweight. try rebooting your computer after having all your updates done. maybe boot your programs on W7 compatibility mode

>>2409179
le gimp

Nose bro, what's your blog?

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Decided to randomly do a composition. I have no idea what I'm doing, no sketch, no real reference, there is one picture I'm using but its mainly just for inspiration rather than actual referencing. I'm basically painting stuff as I go to see what the picture becomes. A pretty enjoyable exercise.

>>2409190
xnosebro.tumblr.com is the one for 4chan. Give me 15 minutes ill post something new for you.

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fuck me!

do you ever get so frustrated that things aren't turning out how you want them to that you just scribble finish?

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I did the hand-drawing exercise in Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing (pg. 17). The base of the thumb I didn't draw correctly and so the whole thumb came out looking too big. To get the right proportions I guess I should just restate lines, as the book so far doesn't touch much on the subject.
I was wondering if I should learn some things about drawing proportionally correct before I continue with the book and perhaps other fundamentally necessary things.
Also, should I alongside this book also go learn from drawabox or should I just wait till after I'm done with this book? Any other books I should be working on as well alongside with this one?
Happy to receive critique and other comments.

>>2409223

I think the discipline to maintain composure throughout a drawing must just come with practice. At least I hope it does.

>>2409185
Yeah I fixed the issue, it turns out the issue was with the new driver. So I installed the old one, thanks for your help

Out of curiosity, in what order do you guys draw portraits?

mine is: nose, eyes, mouth, eyebrows, hair, then everything else

>>2409263
>nose first
Thanks man.

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Back again. Critique on this? Very appreciated if you can.

>>2409263 I usually start with the eyes, nose, then everything else.

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>>2409261
Well Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess!

Reposting my shitty art because I love pain.
Any constructive criticism?

>>2409265
Maggot vagina, 0/10 would not bang.

>>2409265
is this pixelated on purpose or no

>>2409282
obviously lol

hi is there a model site with only asian people i can't stand looking at caucasians

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What a majestic burd.

>>2409223
if it isn't turning out well just start the whole thing up again rather than polishing a turd

>>2409273
Don't use a mirroring option, it will only train you in bad habits and be a crutch. Draw the entire picture by hand, and just flip the image horizontally if you want to compare symmetry.

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>>2409296
quite nice, almost nice enough that i tell you to fuck off out of beg thread.

>>2409265
It's cute, but her head is asymmetrical. If you consider the vertical stoke above the nose to be the centerline of the head, then she is lopsided as per the jawline and the area where the covered eye would be.

>>2409324

I like to do the studies sometimes. Seems silly to me to not post it in the relevant thread.

>>2409327 Thanks, anon! I really want to improve on my art so this is a good start. Thanks for the info.

to those who are using SAI i just found this really great tutorial on how to color i hope this helps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u869WDFGhJU

>>2409223
check your perspective
the objects closer are bigger yours are the same size eg the eyes

fix it

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Pic is nearly a year old, but any of my newer ones will just get a spew of mindless insults.

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>>2409192
Interesting result.

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>>2409335
The skullgirl just needs more skull. Otherwise the style is cute.

>>2409367

There's no point in posting old work instead of new stuff, this thread is for critique, it's not about your ego.

>>2409376
Thanks, anon! I'll get started on this rn

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Am I Doing It Right?

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can somebody explain what kind of perspective grid/lines should i use when drawing a scenery viewed from up to down?

any tutorials out there?

>>2409391
I don't think a response of "reeks of autism" counts as critique...

>>2409405
Nice job so far, but work on always checking your angles so that your forms don't look wonky.
Honestly, for beginners i struggle between recommending either the skull or full head to learn first. The skull can help you understand how the head works, but construction the entire head form is a lot simpler if you just look up videos from Proko or just any good resource.
Also, there isn't really a need to worry to much about shading right now. I would rather work on getting better lifework and forms at first.

>>2409241
Wait what old driver? I also always had this problem ever since I started drawing but I thought this was a limitation of the digital tools.
Could you please give a link?

>>2409411
You hardly need a grid for a simple piece such as that.

You just draw a big box with a POV from above, that's those stairs. Morph that wall edge a tiny bit to give that minor panoramic effect but you don't need a grid since it's the only object that is morphed.

Everything else can easily be eyeballed because it's partially visible and on the edges.

Also, there is a vanishing point below the drawing in this one, because there is vertical perspective. Check out "3 point perspective", I believe it's called. It's very simple especially if there's just a couple things there.

>>2409413
come on dude.

>>2409413

So are you just here for praise, then, if you're posting year old drawings to get an answer you like more?

>>2409487
No, just something that would actually be helpful.

>>2409367
Post it m8... I'll give you an honest critique... no autism comments. But I won't sugar coat anything for you.

Gotta git gud!

>>2409502
Even if people troll you, others might give you a suggestion, especially if it looks like a work in progress that can be fixed or if you intend on redoing it.
I too had to get over people shittalking me when I post things. You just keep improving and remember that you came to 4chan and not somewhere else.

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>>2409502
>>2409507
Alright, have this then. This is my most recent steam locomotive pic where I had refs and rulers. (So yeah, while the first pic I posted here WAS a year ago, I often go months between posting train pics) I think the shading might be the worst part.

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How did I do?

>>2409513
anon are...are those nipples at the front?

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>>2409520
They're called "buffers"

>>2409513
I can see where the autism comment came from, if this is some sort of sexualized Thomas the Tank Engine fanart, but for criticism of the artwork, here goes:
First of all, if you are going to shade the dark areas, I suggest rendering them in greyscale instead of using hatching. The hatch lines are inconsistent and blend in with the linework, especially around the wheels and piston bars. Get a set of maybe 3 different pencils, one for thin linework, one for light greys, and one for dark greys and blacks. Then fill the spaces with solid grey so that there aren't strips of white in the shaded regions. This will make the shadows more distinct from the details.
The perspective is slightly off from the angles that the front part of the train make and the back part. Get a ruler and recheck the lines. Use 2 point perspective so that the orthogonal parts of the train have the right angle.
For the background, use lighter lines or don't define the edges as sharply. For example the clouds look like nearby solids instead of distant patches of light tones.

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anything seem off?

>>2409553
i cant tell how to fix the left arm, might have to take some pics of myself posing for ref

>>2409553
ya, youre posting in the wrong thread, fuck off now.

>>2409424
Thanks! I am doing both head construction and skull studies. Best of both worlds. Angles are definitely an issue, I'll focus on line work rather than shading/ values. Thank you for the criticism. My eye is getting better all the time.

>>2409263

hair, head, nose, eyes/brows, mouth

>>2409562

Would you quit trying to fucking direct everyone from thread to thread?

>>2409562
you can't tell people not to post here, man

>>2409562
People don't know if they are a beginner or not, self assessment being very subjective. If someone was posting finished masterpieces in the beginning thread just to troll everyone, that would be one thing.

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Rotating box exercise, this isn't really clicking. Thoughts?

>>2409592
he is at least 40% better than me, it wasnt even close to being ambiguous.

>>2409593
Go to the 250 box challenge, in that page he has a short guide on drawing boxes which includes 3 pt perspective made really really easy.

Also do the ghosting lines exercise again and get it right.

>>2409593
Draw light perspective lines all the way to the origin. Then bold in the parts of the line to define the edges of the box. Use a ruler.

>>2409596
You aren't a standard for anything. Stop posting.

>>2409596
So having an arbitrary subjective amount of skill higher than some other random guy counts as a beginner? You should put some samples of your own work in the OP to form a rubric and warn people that you will mouth off to them and be an asshole if they don't qualify according to your self-appointed criteria.

>>2409618
What even is this? The anatomy is too sloppy and it looks like it was done in ms paint with a mouse.

>>2409626
>looks like it was done in ms paint with a mouse.
Bingo.

>>2409596

You're not a baseline for what thread people should post in, you stuck up shit.

>>2409264
doing the nose first helps me position the eyes. tried it the other way around and it turned out like a downs-syndrome portrait baka

>>2409618
I actually really enjoy your work. Not even being sarcastic. They all feel like they're really self-expressing. I guess like a MS Paint version of modern art, but one that I actually like

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Normally get the long bods, any tips for fixing that? Started reading hampton book and studying argue plates.

>>2409629
That's impressive.

>>2409513
The face is actually a big issue... not necessarily it's existence, but I don't think it's in line with the perspective of the train... the eyelids are facing us pretty much straight on, but I'm fairly certain the should not be.

I agree with >>2409550 your hatch marks are messy, so a different shading technique might be better until you can work up your hatching skill... probably practice that on simpler compositions.

Shading in general needs to be in more than just the darkest areas... you're not really utilizing it to give your drawing form.

Trees and clouds could have used some reference on your part... symbols.

adding some amount of texture and content to the foreground of the image would make it look more polished.

>>2409654

Way too many contour lines on the figure on the right, it should be kept to (in my opinion) one at each joint and 1 inbetween the joints, just so you can get a feel for it as a 3D object without going over the top.

Also try having a lighter touch and sharpen your pencil more. If you do a light block in of all the shapes and then darken parts to give more emphasis the figure will look a lot less flat. As it is now the lines are all way too thick over all of the figure. To fix long body just draw and draw and draw. Doing the bargue plates will help you understand proportions and the negative space/shape relation of lines to other lines

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>>2409667

Forgot pic. Note the feint contour lines on the arms

>>2409667
Using vine charcoal which is why the lines a thick but I'll keep in mind everything else you said. Thanks for the tips

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>>2409599
>>2409607
I watched the video, seems to have helped, I still feel like I'm missing something about this lesson though.

>draw light perspective lines

Could you please show me what you mean by that?

>>2409689
>Could you please show me what you mean by that?

not him and I'm too lazy, but I'm guessing what he means is drawing the lines all the way to the horizon.

Parallel lines will have the same vanishing point on the horizon. Go all the way there lightly, and then just darken the lines where the actual box is.

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>>2409689
Basically do this but with you pencil by hand or with the help of a ruler.
As a side note I might put on a tripcode just to allay confusion when I get people accusing me of being someone else or whatever.

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>>2409497
>posting old works
>expecting accurate advice

How can we give good advice when what we're looking at isn't anywhere recent? For all we know you may have either fixed some of the bad habits you made here, or produced new ones after. Which is why I call bullshit.

some figure drawings from imagination; help/critique is appreciated

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>>2409800
mother of god why do i always forget

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I'm making a pale female, is there a correct way to do pale skin? The guy who drew this literally used FFFFFFF white for her skin. It seems almost too easy to be true.

>>2409815
in second frame she kinda looks like a mime / clown

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Skull from a the thread a few weeks back I didn't post. This is one of the only pieces I've done so far that I think actually looks like the subject, lack of contract notwithstanding.

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been trying anatomy, and I'd like some help

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>>2409838
Ignore the horizontal flipping.

Also, this is what most of my work looks like at the moment. This is what I was working on, but I don't really know how to finish it or how to approach it. It's a bonsai tree.

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>>2409764
Is this what you mean?

Also, how would I do this diagonally? Maybe I'm making it too complex

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>>2409815

If you're doing a really simple cartoon, maybe.
A big part of what color appears pale is relative to the colors around it and what lights it.
This lady's skin is light purple and not a super bright value either, but she looks pale and white because of her surroundings. If you painted girl in your example the same tone she'd look freaky and purple.

>>2409844

I should amend - the lightest and palest-looking parts of her skin are light purple. There's all sorts of other tones as well, mostly browns.

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>>2409843
Ehh am I doing it for right

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>>2409843
>>2409850
Try something like this:
The box has 3 sets of parallel edges. Each set is orthogonal to each other set. For each set of edges, pick an arbitrary vanishing point and connect them with a faint line. Then bold in the part inside where they fit together.

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From the old thread, I need tips on fabric and stuff. I hate doing hair and clothing so tips on that stuff is appreciated

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>>2409867
>it's to muddy and try practicing on a a box and circle m8 pic related
> study the construction of the skeleton

>>2409801
your having a problem in the pelvic area
>>2409654
study the construction of the muscles
>>2409224
> Any other books I should be working on as well alongside with this one?
try studying the skeleton structure of the hand

>>2409879
any ideas on how to get better at drawing the pelvic region, besides just drawing it a lot?

>>2409875
I don't understand the second half of the first green text, an a box?

>>2409887
practice rendering different types of materials on a box and sphere before you try to render materials on complex forms

>>2409867
Her body seems way too small relative to the size of her head

>>2409891
yeah when i re look at it her head does seem a bit too large lol

>>2409890
Aight, thanks for the tip

Does anyone have experience running through Kimon Nicolaides' "The Natural Way to Draw"? I have a lot of free time and I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way possible to structure my study time to get the most technical bang for my buck, so to speak.

Just tearing through drawings without rhyme or reason feels inefficient and I don't think I'm experienced enough to really know how to do that anyway.

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Is step one good?

>>2410028
Draw 100 of these in different angle then come back again.

>>2410032
Would you mind critiquing the one I posted? Just want to make sure I'm going about it correctly before I continue with the wrong mindset.

>>2409881
for me the studying the skeleton and how to construct the anatomy ...

>>2410034
Actually >>2410032 is right, in order to understand whenever you done 3/4 heads right is to draw multiple heads in different angles. Your example looks too stiff, assuming you drawing a head looking upwards, and that jawline is squeezing the neck inwards.
Also, see >>2409160

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How is it? I tried to sober up with the hatching and go for the likeness

>>2410028
Jaw should be parallel to eye line if the mouth's closed

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>>2409867
Revised

>>2410049
The scribbling , especially on the left side of the body, makes it look really flat.

It screws up the perspective when some of the texture looks like feathers abs sons of ur is just scratchy pen marks.

Head looks pretty good tho.

>>2410060

God dammit. Sorry I'm on phone. I meant :


>It screws up the perspective when some of the texture looks like feathers and some of it is just scratchy pen marks.

>>2410052
ayy

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>>2410060
>>2410064
Fuck I thought so. I thought I could just get away with it because in the ref its pretty dark shadows.

Better now?

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back in my day beginner threads lasted a week

>>2410080
back in my day we didn't have anime or beginner threads and the board was generally slower. There has been a huge influx of people coming to /ic/.

What brush settings does everyone use? I'm using PS but can't work out a good rendering brush for the life of me.

How much time do you need to spend a day to get good.

>>2410093
Don't make it "need to". You're going to advance very slow if you're going to just force yourself to fill your quota.

>>2410080
I'm about to sleep but this is very nice my friend

>>2410080
it does when the opening image is some shitty gray color that you cant find in the catalog and we dont have people helping actively.

>>2410097
says who? Ive been drawing against my will for a year and a half now. Only the first 6 months of drawing were ever enjoyable to me.
>>2410067
neat
>>2410052
youre focusing on feature which you like ( eyes, head) Also, use a thicker brush, stop blending so much and for your hair really put highlights in zones. imagine the head a sphere as opposed to strands of hair.

>>2410124
Yes, sire, i carry arround me 3 swords a bow, quilt and arrows,and 3 utility belts.

Of course I don't need armor, thats proposterous.

What about a shield?

Which hand can i fit a shield in when ive got 4 weapons?

Fair point, keep on with your cluttered design.

>>2410119
yeah I agree with the blending, I don't really like that airbrushed look but I was just trying to make it look less muddy as per what the last crit mentioned. Also I'll take that into account, I was trying to imitate what i saw with the hair but I ended up getting lazy, desu. I'll revise it later or try

>>2410137
I think there's another bow behind the quiver, just in case he accidentally shoot the shoot the bow instead of the arrow

>>2410155
kek

>>2410137
Can I get a critique on the actual drawing?

>>2410176
It's not good, I would suggest you work on everything and start at a lower level or with less ambitious designs and ideas.

Your anatomy is all wrong, the person is off balance/wonky, everything looks flat and dimensionless, the folds on the clothing doesn't make much sense, there no light source so the shading seems impossible and unnatural; there's probably more wrong with it but I'm just a beginner so what do I know.

>>2410176
its slightly wrong pretty much everywhere so i dont think anyone wants to bother, within being terrible however, I do like it ( excluding the 8 weapons).

the maint point si would address are, reference for folds, body flat, neck too thick, jaw unevent, hand are disgusting ( use form)
, perspective is off( wheres is your horizon, how far are you from the figure? weapons dont affect the belts ( they go under so the belts have to go around, etc.)

Stop doing such complexe stuff and just try to learn a bit of form. (itll help with your shadows!)

>>2410176
>>2410124

Didn't you post the same thing months ago?

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>>2410155

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how do you know you have done gesture right?

>>2410190
I didn't even know about this board months ago

>>2410250
You learned something when doing them.

>>2410250
When you look at the drawing and can tell where the weight is being placed, as well as what the general pose is

>>2410124
Jaw, eyes, and skull shape are asymmetrical.
The clothing has no folds and is shaded with a flat pillow shading that looks unnatural.
Contour edges on the clothes are really wiggly and don't flow. Then there are straight lines such as the shirt buttons which stand out as mechanical.
The weapons look like they were copy-pasted from some source and look inconsistent with the body.
The anatomy is misshapen, especially in the shoulders, elbows, and knees. His limbs seem too long and skinny.
The shoes are just lazily mirrored.
On top of it, the design is really clashing. He looks like Prince Charming in Napoleonic dress regalia, but he's covered in ammo bandoliers and straps and extra weapons. It's way too cluttered and doesn't convey a plausible character.

I'm tired of these threads how exactly can I tell when I'm ready to graduate from being a beginner and in these threads I just want to be good

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>>2410080
>>2410083
tell me more old anon,..

>>2410083
there was no draw thread either, and when it started it's usually made by h! who always post anime drawings as header.

>>2410304
back in my fucking days, mister anderson and guy always spam /ic/ with their argument.

before them is malethoth
before malethoth is deathelm
before deathelm is the creation of 4chun and thus the universe begin when jesus and mohammed fucked each other

i thought i wanted to learn how to draw but no i just want to draw anime

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>>2410313

>>2410313
YOU MADE UNIX CRY !!

so I get how to practice gesture
I can practice real life drawing
I know to get away from symbol drawing
I can practice perspective too
(don't assume I'm good at any of those but I know how to practice them)

but I just don't get how to practice construction, or the 'building blocks'
I read loomis, I know that the blocks are the shapes of things
but how do I actually practice using them!
for example, if I just draw a gesture pose then construct around it, I don't feel like I'm really getting construction at all and it's kind of wasting my time
Same if I draw one of Loomis' cartoon characters, sure I'm copying his construction but it feels so lame

how do I practice construction?
maybe I don't understand it at all, I understand why you do it, but how...

>>2410119
Your lack of enjoyment shows, you don't post art very often and when you do it looks forced and awkward
Why would you do art if you don't like doing it anyway?

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>>2410355
>how do I practice construction?
focus on one part of the body...

>>2410361
sunk cost and people wont be able to call me bad.

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>>2410028
>those fucking lines

After drawing the first stage of 'blooks' a hundred or so times, I'm seeing circles as 3D objects. This is kinda cool.
Also tried the overhand grip and drawing with my shoulder, it makes smooth circles!
I'm actually haveing fun drawing for once; last time I tried all this I didn't work on the circles and just jumped straight into drawing those shit blook faces.

>>2410437
While I admit I suck at line work, I'm also still getting used to my tablet.

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Just something I drew during class, liking the way I shaded. Thoughts?

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I drew this dwarf for a friend the other day. I haven't drawn almost at all since high school (I'm 28 now) and I'd like to take it more seriously and learn the fundamentals properly.

I think it turned out okay? Should I go after perspective or anatomy first?

>>2410509

>liking the way I shaded

It looks like you just drew diaganol lines on random parts of the face.

What light source would cause shade to fall on a person's lips and the inside of their mouth, but not their teeth, and also the bottom of their nose, but not the bridge of their nose, and also their eyebrows, but not their eyes?

Besides that, some of the eyes look decent.

>>2409514

Head is too small. Scribble lines in place of feathers make the whole thing look wrong. Try to draw the actual texture of the bird.

Also, where are its legs?

>>2409819

Chicken scratch everywhere. Learn how to draw clean lines.

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Tried to make a girl and ended up making an abomination. Trying to fix this tranny's lopsided face. Jesus my eyes and lips are terrible.

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>>2410653
did you work with reference?

>>2410662
or was it from immigration?

>>2410653
You deleted your post in the other thread. But it looks like you fixed some of the suggestions anyway so good job.

>>2410671
>>2410597
I realized that thread was more for poses and since I'm a beginner, this seems like a better place. Thanks for the advice btw.

>>2410662
I used some pic in the study thread. I might go back and fix the head using this reference though. I prefer the light sources on the neck and chin in this pic better.

>>2410669
You mean drawing from implication

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>>2410653
Here's a quick paintover I did for you. Try to use construction lines to keep your anatomy/proportions lined up

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>>2410190
He did. He even started his own thread for it. I remeber that cubebrush face.

>>2410721
Looks insanely better. Thanks for doing this.

I'm gonna go try a new picture and try to be more orderly.

>>2410611
Perspective and the accompanying sense of form, maybe check out Perspective Made Easy, drawabox, maybe SR's Basic Perspective Form Drawing gnomon DVD, it's on CGpeers. Then anything that will cover construction, Blair's Cartoon Animation, FWAP, etc.

>>2410721

ITT the blind leading the blind

>>2410626
Thanks bab, I'm not too good at measuring and had missed that glaring proportion issue. I also kind of didn't have space in my page for the legs. I'm additionally not too good at making textures, but I'll make a more conscious effort.

I'll do better and post it

>>2410810
Original drawer, its still much better and he's painting over an already flawed painting.

>>2410810
those who can't do, complain.

>>2410810

Nice critique. I'm sure everyone reading this thread will benefit for your wealth of artistic knowledge.

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>>2409857
Hey anon, I think I'm starting to get it. Thoughts?

>>2410906
Good progress but try drawing much larger and keeping the guidlines in the picture.
Fill up the entire sheet of paper and use a ruler to make light pencil lines. Then go over the finished lines in a nice black pen but leave the pencil lines intact so as to show the structure and to remind yourself later how you did it.

>>2410678
keep going i wanna see more

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Hi guys,

Do you set goals for your art?
I'm just getting started with art and I'm also at a stage of my life where I'm starting to respect the idea of setting a goal, then plugging away at it every single day to make it happen.

Will setting artistic goals make me too narrow or will it be constructive?

Pic related. It's a restrictive outlet pipe cap.

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>>2410653 here

Working on my second girl. Decided to sketch her out first instead of just jump right into it. I'm pretty sure the placement of the ear is off.

>>2410671
Are my eyes and lip less "symbolic."

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>>2411096

>>2411082

Did you go inside? Are you a subterranean explorer? Post more pics

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>>2411223
No, civil engineer, the inside of manholes are pretty similar generally unless they're sitting on huge mains. Can't believe someone is interested in manhole pics.

>>2410936
Hey anon, before inking it, I think something is off, I can't quite pinpoint what

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>>2411283
Oops
>pic related

>>2411082
For now, I'm just impressed with myself if I end up drawing something everyday.

It's that bad.

I get down on myself very easily so there'll be days where I just drop it and forget everything good about drawing.

Really, drawing has to be the only thing that I've ever done that asks so much from myself in terms of motivation...

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tablet practice?

Shit? Extra shit? MAXIMUM shit?

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getting pretty sick of anatomy :l

>>2411311
more like getting pretty sick AT anatomy amirite

>>2411291

Quit chicken scratching. Do one line, if it's wrong erase it and try it again. All that's going to do is build bad habits.

Tweak your line settings too, they look awful. Use a stabilizer if you're not already.

>>2411322
It's too late. The habit's already built.

I'm not as bad with a pencil or brush (though I'll freely admit I'm just as bad with pens). There's a weekly open figure session I'm joining to help remedy it, among other things. The grind continues ever onward.

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I have shitty rendering issues. Halp

>>2411329
Get your proportions right before you even think about rendering. It'll help you immensely.

>>2411327

I chicken scratched for years, and stopped doing it a month after coming here. You just have to force yourself to try and draw a single line even if you're not confident about it. You won't get the confidence to make clean lines until you start trying and failing at it.

New to this board and I've honestly fallen in love with it

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>>2411096
I'm just a beginner myself but this might help with features and their positions.

Starting sketch of a new pic. What does it need for improvement before I go any further?

Refs: http://www.durangoherald.com/storyimage/DU/20110807/NEWS01/708079892/AR/0/AR-708079892.jpg

http://www.trainsim.com/vbts/Attachments/up1/88452.jpg

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>>2411359
Fixed pic

This thread sucks only when I f5 to see no new drawings posted. So if you don't want to disappoint me keep posting.

>>2411366
No one will take you seriously if you willingly admit you have to bash F5 and even actually do it.

>>2411366
>saying this less than 20 minutes after two new pics

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Please break me

>>2411371
>typing a response instead posting a new drawing
Gtfo

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i just wanna draw sexy bitches already

>>2411387
Make me, fag.

>>2410080
missing the mole on her left cheek

>>2411285
Looks fine. The whole point of the exercise is to get you used to thinking about perspective and vanishing points. There are books you can read about how to draft perspective drawings, but the goal of this drawing it go give you something that you have real experience in. When you read about this later you will have a realization of "this is that thing I have done before" instead of "this is a thing I have never heard about".

There is something wrong with it however, and it's that the center row of boxes use the center as the vanishing point, while the other corner boxes just have vertical lines and two point perspective. But I say just ink it anyway and try again later with a different drawing where you try a different method. Better to have something finished you can look back on and remember the mistakes than an unfinished thing that you don't move on from.

>>2411291
>>2411322
Repeating what he said, get into the habit of using single bold strokes instead of short scratchy lines. Single strokes give the picture flow and make you look confident. You have infinite undo so you can get a perfect line after a few tries. Put a piece of paper on the tablet to help with the texture.

>>2411392
Where do you live, you salty twink...

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>conflicted between studying for midterm to impress prof and classmates or drawing to impress beginner thread

HELP

>>2411418
i dont see you drawing.

>>2411418
get the midterm over with because validation from people IRL is better than a few (You)s on an anonymous imageboard

>>2411412
Thanks again for the help you've given, I think I understand what my error is. Maybe not entirely but I'm sure the more I do this the more sense it will make when applying perspective to other works.

Perhaps I'll move on to the next lesson. 150 more boxes until ive hit 250!

>>2411425
>>2411424
Thank you, namefag senpais.

>>2411425
(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)(You)

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helmet study from life; practicing rendering digitally

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>>2411442
CTRLpaint has taught me a lot, even in the first few videos (the only ones i've watched so far lol)

pic related: an older attempt at the same exercise, about a week before i started watching CTRLpaint videos

>>2409616
i would love it if this was done, even as a gag

>>2411424
>i dont see you drawing.

>is himself never seen drawing

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Tried the bird. Found the texture and construction hard. Any tips on what to study to improve.

>>2411445
oh shit

also I want to wear a name too. does anyone really give a shit beyond replying to my posts passive aggressively

>>2411442
pretty good , i can tell its foam

>>2411451
I can't, I thought it was heavy metal fantasy helmet

But then again I don't know fighting equipment

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>>2411451
>>2411457
i guess it looks metallic because of how smooth it is; the actual helmet has shinier reflections and a texture that's sort of like how skin is all wrinkled after waking up from a nap, but i'm not really confident enough yet to render such fine, subtle details

pic related: the helmet IRL (with my name censored out)

>>2411384
Study loomis' heads, vilppu's heads, hampton's heads, and apply it to irl heads

>>2411445
i post a bit on the discord.

>>2411427
No problem man. I'm glad you are making small improvements over time instead of thinking that you have to get it all at once and become frustrated. Better to have lots of flawed works that lead toward improvement than to have a flawed idea and never improve.

On a side note I'm going to use a trip code from now on, since I have been giving out a lot of advice and I like to see people take those suggestion and post improved pics. Especially when I see them later on the tumblrs I follow and it feels like a community.

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Whadafug am I doing wrong with proportions? I follow the guidelines but it still feels like I've got it all wrong. pls halp.

>>2411536
Go back and rewatch the Proko videos or reread Loomis. Draw larger so you can fit everything in the box and give yourself space. Use faint guidelines. Use a ruler to measure the distances. Draw everything as boxes and wedges at first so you are not distracted trying to make the thing look like an expression.

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>>2411536
Practice drawing the circle and setting up the midlines again. Pay attention to the relative ratios. If you are drawing as good a circle as you can manage and following the ratios as closely as possible, you should be able to construct the head as Loomis does.

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>>2411116
that gave me a good laugh

>>2411389
sexy bitches need sexy hands, keep at it

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>>2409634
thanks!

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I made it to the "Now you're ready to draw a profile" of "Drawing with the right side of the brain", This the end result. I still haven't read the shading chapter, but I feel like studying other stuff like getting better at proportions and perspective, I think the book wasn't so helpful on that, and try out Loomis.


Picture I used:
http://previews.123rf.com/images/domenicogelermo/domenicogelermo1302/domenicogelermo130200016/17642694-Profile-portrait-of-young-blond-woman-isolated-Stock-Photo-face.jpg

>>2411539
>>2411555
Appreciate the help, guys. Y'know I've always had a habit of drawing small to "save paper" and I guess it's still fucking with me.

>>2411581
Fuck I'm tired it's only one person I'm replying to. Hurr.

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how bad did i fuck up

>>2411580
Nose and jaw are sticking out too far
Box of chin is too small
Cranium is too small
Ear should be at a more oblique angle

>>2411584
Not too bad. Looks like you are going in the right direction. Try doing a few more similar sketches with photo references and apply the construction techniques of boxes and cylinders.

>>2411591
Okay, I'll review the head proportions chapter.

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>>2409127
STUDY LOOMIS

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Crit me pls

>>2411608
why? you can't even be bothered to resize or correctly orient your images.

why should I bother critiquing your horseshit?

>>2411608
I'll put as much effort in my crit as you put in that

here we go:

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damn davis, Back at it again with the horrible chicken scratch

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>>2411353
Thanks. I used your pic to get a beter idea of some things.

Need to go back and fix the lighting, but I'm wondering if anyone has a reference pic which shows hair similar to this.

Draw loomis all fucking day (7am-10pm)
But i'm still shit

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>>2411669
Wtf happend? It looks worst than before man.

Stop coloring and draw some boxes and basic geometry figures. You need to understand the concept of volume first otherwise you won't get anywhere.

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>>2411677
Oh I narrowed it just to see what it would look like. I didn't like it so I went back to the original shape.

I still don't like the eyes and will probably just go back to the eyes I had before.

>>2411677
am I crazy or does that "cube" look a bit too long?

>>2411677
You know what I compared the two pics and I agree with you its a lot worst than before. I'm gonna take your fixed pic and overlay it to see where I went wrong.

>>2411634
Her nose looks really flat. I also have no idea what that shape near her head is meant to be; an arm?

>>2411689
That cube is also drawn with impossible perspective. The front plane will never be perfectly square unless viewed from front on. Do not study from that image

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>>2409119
Can one learn how to draw using the computer as a medium right from the start? I understand that at the beginning you're actually just learning how to control your hand and learning how to see and passing that to the paper rather than what you think you are seeing, but is it possible to do that on a computer? Is there something that traditional mediums offer that a computer and it's 300 programs don't?

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>>2411684
Study loomis, anon. You really need to study facial construction.

>>2411759
Some people don't like drawabox but his opinions on traditional medium are pretty spot-on
http://drawabox.com/article/ink

>>2411769
>Literally every Peter Han says is in this article

Seriously, why does Drawabox keeps getting mentioned here? Just download Peter Han's lectures. It's the same thing, but with PH stuff you get more info as to why said techniques are being used.

>>2411759
All you need is just a pencil and cheap printer paper. Do it for a few weeks, maybe months and if you havn't quitted by then you might want to consider changing to digital art.

>>2411771
Drawabox has a reddit where he crits people's work from his site for free, and his site has a lot more structure than some random Peter Han recordings.

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So where am I going wrong on this stuff guys?

>>2411779
No perspective and no foreshortening. Double the time you spent on this and start with perspective guides. Stylized doesn't mean you don't need to follow the proper steps.

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>>2411442
very nice
much better than your last attempt
edges are much better

>>2411779
you need better fundamentals
your lines need improvement
your grasp of forms is lacking

highly suggest you read vilppu drawing manual

>>2411769
That's about psychology not the technical aspects of the medium used. He talks about feels and planning your strokes and having patience, those are problems of the user, not the medium.

>>2411772
Why?

>>2411786
Because the only way you're gonna fix your technical issues is with a pencil and paper. Digital = delivering. Traditional = learning (for the very reason you just pointed out).

But if you can't accept that, then you not only have technical issues, but you also have psychologic issues, and we can't help you on that.

>>2411779
I don't know what the first two are smoken, but this looks good. Since it is a rougher sketch, try outlining a complete and final shape. One specific thing is that her left hand is bigger than her right. Another thing is that the famliar and the wizard look like they exist on two different planes. Your perspectives are fine, it is just that your two figures are not agreeing with eachother. Try placing dolls/figures you have in a position you want and see how they change.

>>2411804
So let me get this straight, the whole point of learning through traditional media rather than digital is psychological, there's no technical aspect you'll be missing if you start digitally?

>>2411779
you did not improve even a little

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>>2411608
Ayyy I'm never fucking posting from phone again, pic looked properly oriented on phone and then it posted like this.

Sorry about that. Here is a properly oriented (and resized) one.

>>2411616
>>2411621
wow buddy no need to get so mad, anger only hurts the angry person.

>>2411815
gets your eyes check anon
can't you see the poster mistake
look at the face
look at those hands
look at the god damn lines

don't take it too personal, we are in the beginner thread after all

>>2411784
>>2411785
>>2411815
Thanks for the advice.

>>2411899
I've never even posted on this board before.

>>2411904
looks pretty neat if u ask me

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Been following some youtube tutorials. Are these alright?

>>2411904
Do you have the photo reference you used for this? It would help to compare to what you were trying to achieve.
Looks pretty good so far. At first glance the nose looks too large, the lower lips are thin and poorly defined, and the eyes are asymmetrical. The strokes of the beard look too wispy and don't define the volumes.
Try doing the rendering now and shading in using the 2 tone technique of Proko. It will help to define your volumes more and make you think about shape. You clearly have experience with the fundamentals so it will just take more practice.

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>>2411988
You might want to try to give more effort on your construction. You're focusing too much on skin when you should prioritize the skeleton. Also hands.

Any place for good animal refs? Just googleing skelingtons and random pictures but it's more annoying than I thought it would be.

>>2411779
Looks cute and I see some basic forms. But I see a few areas where you can greatly improve.
First is anatomy. Even though your figure is an exagerated cartoon, you should study more basic anatomy in order to get your ratios and pose right. Block in the character with cylinders and boxes and play with the orientation and gesture of the pieces. It will give your character more volume. Even the big void walker could have his anatomical features more well-defined.
I would work on hands in particular. They are complicated and difficult for many people, but the time spent practicing hands will pay off in the end since they are a very important part of the expression of the character and are mechanically important for poses such as grasping.
Finally, don't use short scratchy lines, even when sketching. It makes the image look unconfident and leads to inconsistant line thickness everywhere. Use flowing bold strokes. It looks like you are working digitally so don't be afraid to try big strokes and undo them if they don't turn out right.

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>>2411991
Ye here it is, took a while to find I have batch downloaded the past 2 ref threads so I have like 300 ref pics that I'm plowing through.

I can see that I elongated his face a bit but I rolled with it because pastels are a bitch to erase.

>>2411812
i like it for what it is
.>>2411634
you can leave beg thread
>>2411606
huh?

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>>2412013
If you want, do one last clean up phase of adding shading to areas you think you can fix, such as the eyebrow and beard. Otherwise just use this piece for practice and try again on a different photo. I like this subject though, there is a lot of expression in his eyebrows.
I attached this comparison to help you see what mistakes you made. It might help you for next time when setting up the underlying structure and getting the ratios right.

>>2412004
It's always strange to see tutorials with half-decent tips, but terrible art that doesn't live up to its own instructions.

>>2411988
in general, be more bold with lines to show anatomy. Hard shadows and light from one direction help here to show form and you can add them during sketching. Bigger breasts hang more and most of the mass is thus lower. Also they are probably badly attached at the upper end, except you go for the pornstar with stuffed silicon tits look.

Lots of small mistakes:
OTR - left breast is a symbol
OTLB - no collarbone, try to make that V sign yourself (grab a book about drawing hands), that waist is unappealing
OTRB - that arm+hand is just terrible

>>2412010
Thanks. Something I've been doing to correct the sketchiness on my lines is doing all my gesture studies in pen, but is there anything else I can do for that?

>>2409127
>able bodied or paralyzed

u made me kek

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is this dogs anatomy right?

>>2412061
A confident line requires confidence, which requires experience. If you've drawn something 99 times, then the 100th time you draw it, you will be more confident that the first time.
Since you are using layers, just go nuts with the underlying pencil sketch and put lines everywhere. Go back over it in an iterative process and refine the lines that work. After a few layers, you will have the shapes in place and you can boldly stroke the contour lines. Just undo them if they come out wrong until you have the ink lines in place.
This might work, but you will develop your own workflow that you find comfortable. The best way to stop drawing scratches is to just stop yourself from doing it. Force yourself to draw smooth lines and after a while you can break the habit.

>>2412063
am i using able bodied wrong? am not sjw.

>>2412069
No.

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>>2412037
Ah thanks a lot. I'll do a little fixing. This one was try to do it without under-sketch and without erasing. That's why I used pastel.

Here's another thing I'd like some opinions on. I'm doing lots of gestures and quick poses lately because I'm very interested in getting into animation. I tried to do a cat leap but I have a shitty low-res ref and I can't figure out what the hell the cat is doing with the front paws, the bend looks weird.

Anyone has some good hi-res pics of cats in motion? Or slow-mo videos?

>>2412084
why not

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>>2412088
Here is my attempt to sketch the movement.

>>2412090
Because it's not.

>>2412095
is it because the limbs are too long?

>>2412004
this is boner inducing

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>>2412106
Are you trying to meme us here?

>>2412114
New thread

>>2412131
>>2412114 →
New thread

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>>2412118
no i changed it a bit its in the new thread

>>2410618
Holy shit, I hadn't even thought about shading there! Thanks!

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