Beginner Thread

>>2308151
Thank goodness for this image, I wanted to do some color studies and I really didn't want to deal with the texture of that bird.

>>2308230

>can't google images
>already making excuses

just keep your day job.

>>2308151
Sorry, I didn't see this thread when I made mine last night.

>>>2306827

Any thoughts?

>>2308258

keep drawing.

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how's this?

>>2308261

your colors are average, your forms are wrong, and all of your strokes made the image muddy.

how do you begin to draw realistic hair?
prokos video didn't help me

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havent painted for roughly a year or so and its hard getting back to

im planning to going pleinair asap because i cant really grasp nature anymore, colors especially seem to be uncooperative.

any advice on this is appreciated.

I'm guessing with books, say, like Bridgman Drawing from Life, I should draw said images on the page and re-attempt drawing those images with the book close (go for memory)?

>>2308333
I like it man, you should start detailing it. I'd like to see forest texture on the left hills, and delete that tree. fuck the rules. keep the log if you can pull it off, but right now it is holding your pic back. I'd get rid off it, if you can handle the lack off objects and eye catchers. imo it forces you to take in the scenery as a whole, which is the goal.

I think this could be really good, I like it a lot.

>>2308454
youre right! im not exactly sure why i thought it would be a nice thing in composition

also the sky is too green i think. wierdly saturated shit ill work on it.

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I'm trying to get a grasp of form by drawing 3D shapes, but I feel as if this isn't the right way of going about things.

How do i get a better understanding of light and value?
I cant really make the jump from knowing how to shade a sphere to shading a complicated form, is it just one of those if you know how to draw a cube you can draw anything meme?

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>found out i can draw circles pretty well
>spent today fucking around with these instead of more perspective fundamentals
Oh well i had fun - sorry if the image is flipped, fucking iPhones

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oh baby

>>2308261
youve simplified the colors making it boring.. not only that, youve left some out completely.

look at the picture again and tell me what colors do you see inside the cup

>>2308473
Perhaps pick up a book on perspective. Your lines are all over the place.

>>2308479
Kinda hard to tell what's going on without any colour to represent the flags.

>>2308525
Yeah i literally started drawing last week with a few pencils and paper, severely lacking in supplies

Basically UK and France watching Poland test his latest rocket while Austria is asleep due to boredom

>>2308383
After you've read what Bridgman has written and grasped his drawings you should seek out a reference image and apply what you've learnt in an observational study.

>>2308526
are you twelve?

>>2308529
Mentally yes
:^)

>>2308530
well at least you know where you are

do some handdrawn spurdo while youre at it

>>2308531
On a more serious note, is it worth getting the fundamentals all down before attempting to go Digital?

Or does it not really matter?

Oops, posted in the wrong thread:

>>2308535

>>2308536
>On a more serious note, is it worth getting the fundamentals all down before attempting to go Digital?
might be, depending on what you want to do with digital.
digital as a different medium will still feel VERY different with a lot of things. for linework it doesnt matter as much as for colors, where the difference is indeed huge.

>Or does it not really matter?
it does if you intent on learning something specific. but you seem to be handling the basics yet so it doesnt really. most importantly, and im very serious right now; have fun doing whatever youre doing :^)

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>>2308540
Ok cool i'll keep doing what i'm doing then.
I mainly want to be able to draw awesome stuff like pic related, Araki style characters and probably some porn too

Th-thanks anon

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>meant to draw three sketches, each for 5 minutes
>accidentally spent 51 minutes on the three of them
how do i draw faster oh my fuck

>>2308579

focus on accuracy right now, not speed. You'll get faster automatically when you git guder.

>>2308255
Thank goodness I'm already doing illustration for my day job or I'd be worried.

>>2308579
>these sketches
Which?

>>2308587

This. Speed isn't something you can deliberately improve until you know the form (we're calling it accuracy in this case). Speed happens when you have drawn the form accurately enough times that you can recognize and predict what it will look like before actually drawing it.

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I'm kind of scared I'm not making any progress here's a before and after 3 months apart. Any thing I need to work on?

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Wouldn't life be better without color?

>>2308670
You're making progress, but the before picture can't even be called a beginner's work.
It's pretty obvious that you have no clue what you're doing. Have you read Loomis' Heads?

>>2308675
what about the 2nd ; I've read Loomis - what is the problem?

>>2308675
>a beginner's work.
I wasn't following instructions and drawing around the form instead of through it. The second I followed the Loomis and Reilly method

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>>2308672
no, there's lots of things that look much better in color.

>>2308664
three sketches.

>>2308587
>>2308665
Alright thanks lads, I'll continue to work on accuracy. Bit of a nippletwister that I'm supposed to draw these sketches in 5 minutes though, it probably means I'm supposed to be more advanced than I already am at this point which is a bit of a bumder.

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>>2308626

here, i'll post it for you.

What's the best to draw the foot? I've tried a lot of different methods but none of them work for me. Am I too retarded or is there a better way to learn them?

>>2308742
>no lens flares or CA

Nigga you small time

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I'm still attempting. Here's Part 1

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>>2308768

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>>2308769
>>2308768

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>>2308765

i will give you one better

>>2308768
looks like he taped sausages to his face.

>>2308772
I think you mean dicks.

>>2308773
if you're into cutting dicks, maybe.

>>2308742
You're a really ridiculous person. You're being incredibly hostile towards me based on nothing more than your own totally unfounded assumptions. You assumed I haven't already been doing studies of images I've found on my own, which I have, just because I thanked OP for this one picture. You assumed I can't paint the other picture because I said I didn't feel like it. You even assumed I wouldn't post my own work if you asked without even giving me a chance. You really need to go get something for that anonymous boogeyman PTSD you have.

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>>2308772
>>2308773
>>2308774
Well. I tried.

Thanks I guess.

>>2308776
post your work then

>>2308785
You've made it pretty clear you just want to try and tear someone down, you don't even care who, since you just threw all these shots in the dark hoping to hit a target. I don't have a burden of proving anything to you, your acceptance or validation won't affect my reality in the slightest. The only thing you have to offer is a toilet to throw my time into, and I'm not going to waste it in such a way.

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>>2308776
>>2308791
chill famalam its not worth caring about enough to even reply

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I guess I'll just dump my doodles then. Maybe one will turn out okay.

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>>2308800

>>2308796
Why is it that people think an explanation that's more than a few words long means someone's mad? I know it's inconsequential, that's why I said I wouldn't bother because it doesn't change my reality. I just wanted to point out that this guy jumping to all sorts of conclusions based on my liking the op picture is ridiculous. I'm not going to reply to him more than that though, because like I already said he made it pretty obvious that he's just trying to drag someone, anyone, into an argument.

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>>2308791

>>2308771
this chroma shit makes it sense

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>>2308804

shh is ok bb

>>2308261
don't be afraid of hard edges

>>2308670
it's not worse but look at how the mouth is not really in the same perspective as the nose/eyes

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Tried color first without any sort of construction, fucked up that terribly. Tried values, still fucking up construction, finally tried the thing I should have done first, still not good enough up but at least it helped me to recognize I'm really bad at measuring and constructing things accurately.

>>2308523

Noted. Thanks.

>>2308845
still better than anything itt

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Two minute figures, Its bareley enough time for me.
Am I doing it right?

>>2308860

those are good for a beginner

think I get the “draw what you see” thing now. It’s like copying a reference that’s in front of you. But when it isn’t, you have to visualize it directly in your head, thinking up every last possible detail you want. And then just draw out how you see it in your head, imagining the reference right on your paper as if you’re just tracing it. This also requires a large visual library as well.

If one were to draw something in a stylized manner, they do not imagine it stylized. They imagine it as if it were in the real world, and then try to apply the stylization to that imaginary reference.

Is that basically how it is?

>>2308888

no you fucking idiot. we say draw what you see because 99% of the time noobs will imitate what they see with glaring mistakes.

IT LITERALLY MEANS STOP GUESSING AT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT AND FUCKING MATCH YOUR PROPORTIONS.

>>2308860
do you even feelpu? feel the pose instead of drawing the contour!

>>2308888
Close, but easier said than done.
Visualize something like this:

When drawing a random anime character's face, say you draw the eyes. You're not drawing eyes, you're drawing a shape (an ellipses if you well). When something is stylize, it's more simplified into basic shapes. Problem is, to understand these shapes, you need to understand real life.

At the end of the day, you learn from life to make your characters more believable.

Hey does anyone know any good book or video tutorials for learning how to paint digitally?

>>2308970

yes it's called learn how to draw first.

>>2308970
google "ctrl+paint"

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I can't seem to get my measurements correct. I tried doing this but it involved a lot of overlaying, erasing, and ctrl+T'ing to get it at least close enough to scale.

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>>2309063
this one I did the "draw the stick figure skeleton with the ribcage and pelvis and then draw over that" method, and to an extent I think it worked better, but I should not become too reliant on this method. idk.

>>2309064
it also involved a bit of overlaying to get close enough, although much less so

>>2309064

try it without the stick figure.

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Drew this based on my own request from /v/ drawthread. Looking for feedback on what to do better next time.I'm okay at drawing, I'm just not that good at drawing women specifically, fictional or realism. It's supposed to be a seductive/cute Konishi from TWEWY.

>>2309071
The face really sticks out to me. It looks ametuerish compared to the rest of the body.

>>2309064
First off, your ribcages are too short. The ribcage goes to elbow. Second the distance from the ribcage to the pelvis is too great. Third you're chicken-scratching really badly. Learn to make long confident strokes. Good news is you're starting to better understand blocking in the forms on the torso. It's a small thing yes but a step in the right direction.

>>2309079
Man, tell me about it. I spent almost an hour trying to get the eyes right and that's really the best I could do. The mouth could have been much better too but I plan on trying this one again in a month or so so I'm not too worried about it. Thanks for saying what you did; I feel like you indirectly complimented the rest of it haha. Feels good.

How does the leg look? First time I've tried this pose.

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>>2309069
>>2309064
okay. Still ended up doing a bit of overlaying/lassoing, though.

>>2308845
Now put them all together and you'll have yourself a solid painting. Pull it off anon.

>>2309087
to specify, when I say overlay, I don't mean trace. I just mean that I put my drawing over the original ref to check if the lines are close enough. Still not a good thing to rely on, though.

>>2309084
If it makes you feel better I'm probably worse at faces that shit takes practice. Truthfully I don't see too much wrong with the right leg. Something does bug me about the left one though. I know it's hidden but it seems like it's small or something. Yeah...I'm still a beginner myself if you couldn't tell and I can't really offer too good of advice. Really sorry anon. All I can offer is look for references I do believe there is a name for that pose I think. I've seen it before. Anyway keep on trucking anon.

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I hve a feeling I am doing this very wrong

>>2309096
Man anon, you just lit up my whole night! Thanks a ton. I know exactly what you mean about the left leg, it kind of bugged me to hide it. But like I said, it was my first time with the pose so it's probably me just being so used to showing both legs or neither. Definitely gonna set aside some time to practice faces specifically. Thanks again anon.

>>2309087

you're doing the shapes again, stop it.

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guys ignoring the fact that she does not have hair.
do i need to fix the face and is there anything i fucked up on


trying to get to J. Scott Campbell's level

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About 10 hours in GIMP

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>>2309145

good but that should only take an hour. you don't need to over-render a painting bruh. just get the values right and you can do that in an hour.

>>2308896
Not having enough feel doesent seem to be the worst problem about the figures I drew. A experienced artist may understand this pseudoscience stuff but I cant.

>>2309102
Where's the original of this bird? I want to draw it too.

how do i know if im a beginner?

>>2309232
Post your work. Also you can compare yourself to others in this thread but if you're a beginner you may evaluate yourself higher than you really are so it's better if you just post your work.

how do i into character design?

>>2309229
previous thread's op

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im shit at drawing

>>2309368
Keep drawing

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>>2309368
Only one way to get better

>>2309071
>>2309084

You need better anatomy.
Legs are falling off the hips. Left arm (of image) is longer than her right arm. I'm aware that her right arm is foreshorten, but it isn't foreshorten THAT much. Rib cage seems too far apart from everything else. If the character was nude, she'd have a funny look torso.

>>2309368
And you will keep being shit for a good long while. That's just how it is. Suck it up, anon. I'll see you again in a year, you'll be much better. Get to work.

>>2309278
Learn you fundamentals, all the while trying to break down and mimic some of your favorite work. Knowing structure and anatomy is very important for stylizing.

what are some good places to get full pictures of people to draw?

like where i can see all the way from their heads down to their feet? i needa practice drawing people lol

>>2309414
>lol

Not a fan of league of legends. Sorry.

>>2309368
Then you better start practicing, my weebish friend.

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how do i stop getting angry when i draw

it doesnt look like how i'm trying to make it look like. i always get really hot and sweaty when it stops going as i want it to and i start to get angry. just spent 20 minutes trying to draw a hood and it didn't work at all and i just erased all of it and almost scribbled all over the page and ripped it but i didn't because i did that last time and regretted it

>>2309463
Hard to determined where you're at with that image, as it looks like complete shit.

However, a few things are off, but to determined what exactly may be off, draw this if you will:
Draw a Cube, Sphere and a Cone. Give it value, and a shadow. Draw them as realistic as possible with paper and pencil (doesn't matter what kind of paper. Pencil doesn't matter either).

>>2309466
I didn't draw that image it was just there to reflect my feelings

>>2309471
>Already making excuses.
Irrelevant. Those shapes aren't gonna draw themselves, anon.

>>2309463
I still consider myself a beginner but when i started off I was pretty shite

when i drew I couldn't get things to look the way I wanted. not even simple circles came out right. it was pretty frustrating, so I only drew when I really forced myself to.
eventually, after practicing more and more and more, things started to look more and more the way I pictured it in my brain, I just... understood how to draw it the way I wanted. it's actually fun to draw now.

so pretty much just keep practicing, even if what you draw looks like total shite, and eventually you will be able to just... draw. practice practice. I think analyzing other people's art and seeing/copying how they draw things helped a bunch too.

>>2308672
For contrasting, yes.

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I'm the one from the other thread who started drawing again after 2 year hiatus. This was yesterday's study, third day in. Picked up an anatomy book, and tried copying noses of people in the library within a set time limit of 1 minute, or whenever they walked away. Didn't go so well

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Guys how does my first oc look?Any tips?

>>2309528
>any tips
Kill yourself and read loomis

I'm about to start reading Loomis for the first time. I am supposed to just draw everything in the book and somehow that will improve my skills? I'm really stupid and I don't really understand how to do proper studies.

>>2309571
If you came from Keys to Drawing, Loomis may still be rather difficult for you. As silly as it sounds "30 days to draw" is actually a nice book, just lacks some detail. Luckily, Keys to Drawing covers those details, and 30 days to draw will be a easy read.

After that, look at this topic
>>2306206

Loomis is important, don't skip his studies but you can delay it. Successful Drawing is very informative and will help you understand Perspective a lot more. Figure Drawing for all it's worth will teach you how to create kawaii female characters and understand why they are kawaii. But for now, let's stick to the simple stuff.

So i've been reading Drawing from the Right Side and watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DJNi9fjDO8&list=PL1HIh25sbqZnkA1T09UtVHoyjYaMJuK0a
as well as drawing everyday for at least an hour

Once i finish the book, where do i go next? Do i read Loomis or start with a more beginner friendly book?

>>2309613
Read the post above yours.

>>2309625
Yeah i did before i posted, just wanted to know if there was any extra info people could provide

After all "studying wrong" is a real thing and can cripple anyone's progress

>>2309151
too long

>>2309528
SMALLER AND RIGHT SIDE UP FAGGOT
>>2309115
2 fucking big nigger
>>2309087
Feel free to not post every single try,
>>2309071
dont worry about proving its yours.

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Drew this for a friend that is into metal. I used no references so the scythe came out a bit off, but he likes it anyway.

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Please give critique

>>2309644
Bald Konoha's Blue Beast/10

>>2309112
what? if you mean that the proportions are still fucked just say so.

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After about a week of studying heads/eyes/lips I tried throwing an entire head together without reference.
Thoughts?

Some things I've noticed;
>Nose angle is a bit odd
>Eyes seem to point outward
>Ear way too small
>Hair feels flat or pillowy

>>2308810
>rebbit mames
>on 4chin

>>2309087
you either
A. Don't have any idea of what youre drawing or
B. Don't know how to describe what you're drawing.

You're using lines in all the wrong places and describing the forms terribly. Not to mention the proportions are just way off

>>2309151
I like it good job

What excercises should I do to improve my fundamentals, /ic/?
What ARE these fundamentals?

>>2309643
the wings look okay but would have looked a lot better if you used reference, also the skull seems a bit disproportionate to the rest of the body. Also study folds.

I like the perspective on the scythe though you came up with a good pose.

>>2309651
>>2309651
if this is your style then i can't critique, but if you want to go for more of a generic face, start with a pencil sketch and add details only when you are satisfied. The lisps are weird ( the line says smile, but the color says frown), the nose is gigantic, the eyes are angled and the pupils point to two different directions. The side of her head looks burned and her eyebrows look like moles. That said, i like the color of her eyes, i think its really well done , the palet of colors in general is well chosen and honestly for being a digital drawing is not too bad.

>>2309654
okay. how do you want it to look?

Honestly I don't see what you mean, or maybe your definition of "way" in "way off" is different from mine.

>>2309672
I'm not the guy you are replying to, but i agree with him. If you want an hint, just trace the picture you are trying to copy and then compare it to the one you have drawn. It will take you five minutes and it will help you way more than any anon on the internet can.

>>2309466
i realised i was missing some basic stuff that my book taught me

what i was menna do was find the mid point and stuff and then roughly draw the sketch roughly the right size then draw. the reason it annoyed me so much was because i felt like every time i got the hood wrong i'd revert my page back to completely nothing

im gonna try again now.

>>2309682
I just overlaid my drawing over the original reference and I see that my proportions are messed up. But idk where the criticism about lines/forms comes from. Also I'm not specifically sure what I can keep doing to improve eyeballing measurements.

>>2309688
honestly i have no idea either, we are not robots, these mistakes happen. That guy was being way to harsh tho, this is a beginner thread after all.

>>2309671
Ah cool, I can see a the mistakes a lot better now that you point them out. Thanks

>>2309694
I guess it's just a matter of practice.

Meanwhile, another thing I notice is that sometimes I draw the limbs such as the foreleg with too much of a curve even when it isn't like that. However, that's how I'm seeing it when I'm drawings. I guess it's just a matter of getting rid of tunnel vision and repeated practice as well, but I was wondering if there would be a way to fix this as well.

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>>2309699
>>2309087
not really liking how this one came out either consider how a lot of the proportions are off.

Does anyone know if there's an online game where you have to try to duplicate a certain line or curve and get graded based on it? I think I could use something like that.

>>2309644
super rough lines

learn how to make clean, confident strokes

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Why did I even try?

Is there a way to set a Monoprice tablet so that if I draw a 1-inch line on it, the line on the computer is also 1-inch?

>>2309651
i'm not a pro artist but it looks pretty great to me

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Am I symbol drawing? Loomis

>>2309736
I like it, I like the crosshatching especially on the arm

>>2309761
>Am I symbol drawing?

Yes. You need a better grasp on form. Try simplifying the shapes of the head as simple 3D shapes (sphere for the cranium, wedge shape for the nose etc.) Perhaps read more Loomis. He goes over this stuff pretty well.

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>>2309724
Tried it again and this time recorded myself fucking up. idk what to do to get past this copying references issue.

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>>2309801
And even when I try it again, I keep making the same mistakes as before.

>>2309523

nothing to tell me other than "keep at the studies" I guess then?

>>2309651

nose isn't correctly constructed, lips are weakly so, not sure why you're dipping into stylizing your knowledge one week into studies

>>2309801
Omg don't move your drawing over the reference!!! if you want to trace, trace it over the reference. The gesture exercise is to catch the feeling of the pose, the movement, the life. You will not reach that with the way your are doing it.
Don't try to hurry, don't try to be perfect. Place the mass of the head first. Some pose require to start by another mass of the body, but at the beginning, go with the head. From the head, trace a vertical line to the ground. It's the weight line. Observe how the body move around this line and trace that flow. On standing pose, that flow will often go through the spine then through a leg.
Now place the shoulder and hips connected to this flow. Place the arms and legs as lines. Identify the main masses, the ribcage, the pelvis, ... simply trace some boxes or some egs shape/sphere. Try to represent the volumes.
Don't spend too much time on each, do a very wide document and scroll at each pose. Use quickposes.com or similar website to have some 10 to 20 pose slideshow.
You will quickly get better and better by trial and error.
After a while you can take a look at vilpu's vids. They are full of knowledge.

>>2309151
Very nice but 10 hours?

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>>2309983
thank you but this is about getting proportions exact.

I'm just tired of people like >>2309654 saying that my proportions are off. These aren't gesture drawings, but I've been doing them for the past while in order to figure out the correct lengths for thing.

Shit I just want to do requests on /v/ and not be the laughing stock of the thread.

>>2309801
Jesus, man, don't move your drawing so often. You won't improve and you definitely won't get any confidence in yourself if you will rely on your reference so much. Just pay attention to angles and their alignment, it won't be pretty at first but you'll get it eventually. With your current method it might take you much, much longer to get the simplest of stuff.
Don't be afraid to place your lines! What you're doing here is just the foundation of the drawing. At this point lines should give you just the general direction, the movement, the weight. You could just draw one big curve instead of her right hand and it still would convey the needed message. And when you're done with these, then you can work on all the details, from big to small.
If you really want to, give tracing a try and then try to copy that trace. Better yet, try ghosting.

>>2310025
see >>2310024 but also what is ghosting in the context you are using it in?

>>2310027
I'm not really on good terms with English so may explanation might sound weird. Check out google.
Instead of constantly moving your half-finished lines over the reference, just move your pencil over one of the lines, like the hand's edges or torso's or anything else. You don't have to actually draw those lines as long as you see cursor's movement. Once you're satisfied with the way your arm moves, place that line on your drawing - it should be much more accurate due to accumulated muscle memory.

>>2309801

Stop drawing people for a while and start doing some basic shapes. Learn how to draw an accurate sphere, cylinder and a cube, then learn to turn body parts into those.
Knowing proportions is only part of an appealing drawing. Your stuff will continue to look awkward and stiff when you agonize over it that way at the expense of all the rest.

I seriously also think you'd benefit from not using a tablet for a while and doing some stuff traditionally. Tablets are awkward for doing precise lines, you're just making it harder for yourself.

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>>2310045
I did that stuff back in June, though.

>>2310048
>Given a lot of advice on how to go about fixing these issues
>Ignores them all

Anon, honestly, you're not gonna make it.

>>2310048

#1 in that is far better than everything you're doing right now, and the cube shapes are really the only thing I've seen you do that suggests any sort of three dimensional form whatsoever.
You keep doing cross-contour lines like on the breasts here>>2309087 but the lines, especially on her left breast, make it pretty obvious you're either half assing them hard or you don't actually understand what they're meant to show.

If you haven't seen this, he sums up what I mean by draw through the form.
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/form-not-shape

You seem to attempt it with the legs but the way you draw the connection with the hips always suggests the cylender of the leg is facing in a direction it's not. Take 3 for example, you have almost a perfect circle there which just suggests that the cylender should be heading straight towards us or it's got a weird bend. The arms are closer to the right idea in your examples there.

Also going on your gif you basically ditched construction in favor of a single line of action followed by trying to draw the contour around it, so you didn't seem to actually stick with using shapes at all. Don't just "do it" for a month then stop applying any of the knowledge or it won't help you at all.

when studying loomis is it just about repetition until you feel comfortable enough ? i can draw his basic circular heads but it feels strange ( it's a vague way to put it but i mean it doesn't feel natural)

>>2310061
An animation teacher told me to stop doing people this way because it ruined the poses and gesture. Honestly idk anymore.

>>2310056
Some people werent being clear enough, and some advice just isnt that helpful.

>>2310078
You've acknowledge most of it and said how you thought it wasn't helpful, when it was literally the answer to your issues. I guess some people like learning things the hard way, or not at all.

>>2310048
> 1 2 3 4
I declare a thumb war!

>>2310078
>An animation teacher told me to stop doing people this way because it ruined the poses and gesture. Honestly idk anymore.

Are you trying to learn how to animate, or are you trying to learn how to draw people correctly in perspective and proportion? Because the latter should be your first goal regardless.
Learning construction is vital, and I'd argue it takes precedence over learning gesture. In my opinion doing gesture is practically useless until you've reached an intermediate level of knowledge where you actually have some element of muscle memory and knowledge that can be applied.

If you start with construction your poses probably will be stiffer than you want them, but it will help you put a proportional human together intuitively which you're evidently having trouble with right now. After a while, the ideal is to start with a fluid gesture that doesn't need to be super correct, then do construction on top of that and fix where it isn't correct. Either way you need to know how shapes work in three dimensional space, which I think you're neglecting and just slapping lazy cross contour lines on after you've done a poorly constructed drawing.

I really do suggest you draw some more spheres and cylinders at various angles and draw lines ALL the way around them like in the video I linked you. Improving your cubes won't hurt either. Drawing cross contour lines requires a bit of intuition on what a form looks like that it really doesn't look like you're developing.

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>>2310078
>An animation teacher told me to stop doing people this way because it ruined the poses and gesture. Honestly idk anymore.

There's people who can help answer your question here. You just need to be willing to listen.

>>2310104
yeah I am. But like >>2310100 said I'm trying to focus on construction first.

I tend to a lot of things with a grain of salt here b/c of the anonymous nature, for better or for worse.

I wish there was a thing like quickposes but for shapes but as far as I know, that does not exist.

also >>2310061
>but the lines, especially on her left breast, make it pretty obvious you're either half assing them hard or you don't actually understand what they're meant to show.
I know they're meant to show how they are three-dimensional, I think it's more that I'm half-assing it though. Even though I'm also doing it to the best of my ability.

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>>2310114

>I know they're meant to show how they are three-dimensional, I think it's more that I'm half-assing it though. Even though I'm also doing it to the best of my ability.

This is a real hackjob so take it with a grain of salt but it's the idea that I'm trying to get across. When it comes to cross contours try and do an exercise like this. It's fine to draw over a photo to get a basic idea. Just try and get your brain warmed up to looking at things this way.

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>>2310114
>I wish there was a thing like quickposes but for shapes but as far as I know, that does not exist.

It does exists. It's called going outside.
You need to train your eye to see things as shapes. Grab Peter Han's lectures from the Book achieves since both his semesters were uploaded. Before you can even tackle human proportions (or anything for that matter), you need to train your eye to break things into shapes. Otherwise, you're gonna have a difficult time learning how to create the human form.

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his name is operatingman and he can operate anything

>>2310144
can't see shit, cap'n

>>2310114

Empty toilet roll = cylinder, box = cube/rectangle, tennis ball = sphere.
Voila, you have basic shape quickposes. There are tons of household items that work for this.

Don't know how an arm would look as a basic shape? Take toilet roll, angle it in direction of arm in reference. You now know what a simplified arm looks like from that angle.

>>2310147
nobody can see operatingman

>>2310136
>>2310061
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/71895074/2015-12-08-2036-37.mp4 I tried doing another one. Though I kinda had to trace it and even then idk if I constructed it correctly. Idk if I should keep doing it like this or if I should find some other method.

I'll do >>2310136 when I feel I have a good hang on this.

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operatingman #2

>>2310171
I was just informed by an artist friend that if I am doing 3d primitives, they should not be over the picture, and that I should trace the muscles and contours over the picture if I decide to do as such.

>>2310203

>they should not be over the picture

Doing it to get the idea is fine, just don't do it in lieu of doing it without the picture underneath. Do both.
If doing it over the picture helps you get the mindset, that's a start. It's as much about teaching your mind to see things simply and three-dimensionally as it is teaching your hand to draw them.

>>2310211
Different anon, but not to mention there may be somethings you're drawing too big that you don't realize.

Marking the top, then bottom, and the chin, then free handing the drawing could display some of your errors.

>>2310211
yeah I meant to say to do both.

>>2310217
I'll try this out also

>>2310181
Nigga that is nothing like literally nothing, 100% nothing.
I can't even tell where his head is or where his torso ends.
Stop wasting paper and go read a book nigga

>>2309644
too blemished and should be more enhanced and shading should be included

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>draw from references to practice
>"haha this is fine I can try doing freehand again"
>...

Jesus christ how horrifying.

>>2310247
same struggle here, i can draw perfectly fine with reference but without i am horse shit

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>>2310256

I tried again and it turned out worse

>>2310247
>>2310279
Neither of those are bad you asshole.

>>2310287

My shoulders and collar area are a mess of lumps/lines and bad placement and the chest is like a flat barrel because I don't know/forgotten how to place the muscles properly.

There's much more wrong with them but I want critique of people that actually draw humans on a regular basis.

"Neither of those are bad you asshole" isn't critique and thus not helpful at all.

>>2310279
i don't have any saved to show right now,but when i do gestures without reference they come out worse, yours are better, they're actually not even that bad

>>2309643
You posted this on reddit and it was well received.

What method of measuring does everyone use here? I've been using the Heads Tall method (counting heads) for months on end now, and no positive results. I feel as though it's a flawed method, and wonder if others have attempted other methods of measuring.

>>2310370

Rather than trying to stick to a specific formula try and measure things relative to things around them. See what lines up horizontally and vertically, find what things are the same height/width as other things, and use those.

I still think counting heads is reasonably effective as long as the pose's perspective isn't too extreme, but there are plenty of parts of the body you can measure up against other parts. I'll usually just use the idea that the nipples generally are usually a head below the chin, the belly button is a head below the nipples, and the crotch is a head below the belly button. Hip bones generally line up with belly button. Legs are around the same width as the upper body. Arms end around mid thigh. Arm span is roughly the same as leg span. Shoulders are usually 3 heads wide. I could go on but you probably get what I mean, measure with whatever is available and remember that the rules don't apply if perspective is different, but you can always compare measurements on your reference based on how things line up. Some people hold their pencil at arms length and use their thumb on it to measure a certain length, then compare it elsewhere.

>>2310392
Usually when I go completely free hand, I get way better results. I only say this, seeing as how in my figure drawing classes, during grading, my teacher always pulls up how impressive one or two out of the 5 look very very, accurate, versus the other 3. Problem is, those 3 are the ones I did all the head measure, vertical, negative space, etc. While the other 2, I completely turned off my brain and drew.

That's neat and all, but one huge problem. I can keep free handing, but I keep making the same mistakes. There still not at least 95% accurate to the model. And during it completely free hand, I'm not sure if I'm training my eye or not since I'm going brainless into the model.

>>2308796
>>2308805
>>2308810
Isn't there an age limit here?

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>>2309087
>>2309654
>>2310024
>>2309694

Looking back I may have sounded a bit harsh but it's really just me saying my opinion....

I'm just a beginner too so take this with a grain of salt, if it's not useful I did this for myself anyway, I need practice and I havent drawn much

Also hopefully the pic shows right

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This is pretty much my first time digital painting and it took me too long

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>>2310418
Thank you. Saved. Someone else I was talking to said to use muscles in layers/ropes rather than blocks.

Meanwhile I tried this w/o using any digital tricks and idk if it's a step in the right direction at this point. Maybe I should try adding more detail to it.

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>>2310024
>>2310418
In my eyes the proportions are really off, but I could be wrong.I'm really not sure why you're tired of it, anyway my bad

Don't these things look off to you?

>>2310408

Nothing wrong with freehanding it if it works. The idea of counting heads isn't literally to measure out the heads, it's just a quick frame of reference to check proportions as needed. It doesn't hurt to do a light free hand sketch, check for mistakes, and then fix them in a second pass that's a little darker.

>>2310438
well when you put it like that yeah but if you didn't put those lines there on the original ref, idk if I'd be able to tell as well.

>>2310444
>>2310438
how do I go about training myself to see these things better? In >>2310435 I realized that a lot of things were off, especially the posture, as the model is more leaned back in the picture while my ref is standing up straight. The torso is also taller while the legs are shorter than in the original drawing.

Again, how would I go about training myself to see these things rather than just tracing them over or smth, as I feel that won't get me anywhere. As I said earlier, it's probably just a matter of doing it a lot, but idk if muscle memory or w/e will cause me to repeat the same mistakes.

>>2310439
Oh, well okay. That's actually what I kind of do sometimes. Basically free hand, and sometimes count the heads, see what's wrong and go about it from there.

Thanks for that insight! I should do that more often.

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>>2310458
>>2310438
>>2310435
I just copypasted the parts of mine that worked and just redid everything else and while it's not entirely perfect, I think it turned out a lot better.

>>2310468
whoops I just realized I forgot to erase those hip lines. w/e I'm not gonna repost it.

>>2310468
Yep it's much better

>>2309651
you say you studied heads, but she has no jaw/chin. I know its the style but those fucking eyebrows look like skin deformities

Any exercises specifically for switching from traditional to digital or should I just work on my basics?

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trying to get some pseudo-sunset lighting on this picture

advice on colors? im really feeling lost.

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bleh

>>2310668
try it with colors. value studies like this arent very useful imho, youre not focusing on lightsource and lightspread through reflection of materials but just copying values you see in picture.

gotta think about the light spreading through everything and off of anything, the grapes being translucent and letting bits of light crawl within their own shadows.

>>2310670
Okay, thanks!

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>>2310667
done this so far, not sure if i helped it

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Hey there this is one of my first attempts to add color to my drawings could you guys tell me what you think? Any tip is appreciated

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>>2310689

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Trying to draw full body, i feel like i messed up the limbs porportions, advice ?

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>>2310694
Here's another one

>>2310693
how the fuck do I make clouds that good with a round brush

>>2310697
you dont. its a cloud brush and a photo combined. https://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/2013/04/30/lapseoftimehk.jpg

>>2310695
Practice simpler figures before adding details?

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Need critique

>>2310702
Figures, guess ill watch some tutorials

>>2310703
You included little color, and if you added more shades, and maybe added a bit to the eye (being that eyes are perfectly white), then I think it'll look good. Good work, though.

>>>2310148
Was posted in wrong thread.
Is there hope? Loomis teaches how to set shit up but I still feel like I cant get the forms and shapes right. Eg, my noses always turn out wrong. I started reading on the right side but I don't know what it'll do for me. Will time tell or should I end it now?

>>2310707
Keep going. Finish up Right Side, and when you're done with that book go ahead and read up 'draw in 30 days'. That book may look a little 'silly', but it gives you some strong insight on what to expect as you continue drawing.

Otherwise, all beginners suck. I never understood why people thought they should be insanely amazing as soon as they pick up a pencil then draw. It's gonna take some time till you become decent.

>>2310713
I guess I just see some people with innate talent and so many here that seem to do so well, its hard to imagine they would work for as long as it seems to refine their craft

>>2310714
>talent

i love this meme xD

>>2310716
I understand no one is able to do shit right off the bat, I'm talking about those progress pics where the person started drawing non-austit/ic/

>>2310312
As if that matters at all. At least here i get constructive criticism for what i did wrong and where i did it wrong.

>>2310717
Nope. Shut up. You're retarded.
Just draw. And don't post again unless you have results from your journey to get crits here.

>>2310283
I love the ceramics. Everything else looks a bit too much like it though.

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Work in progress.

Tell me whats wrong and what I'm doing right?

>>2310822
>Tell me whats wrong and what I'm doing right?

You're drawing in digital and you can't check yourself? Draw a perspective grid and check your lines. There ya' go.

>>2310822
Reversed perspective on those wing things.
Why is the top shorter that the bottom if it's observed from above?

>>2310828
>>2310826

Thanks, ill redo the wings.

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>>2310695
Are you trying to draw something like this?

I'm playing in photo shop, using the click shift click method to create straight lines. problem is the lines are very dull and I have to go over them many times to get what I want. Is there a trick to it or do I just have to turn off transfer every time I want a straight line?

>>2310224
no u

>>2309736
>doing anything with colour when you can't even fucking draw properly

>>2310942
nice crit brah, you sure told him

>>2308845
I'm having a bad time with this one, your pictures helped me a lot to understanding what i was doing wrong.

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Dumping some of the stuff from the last couple of days

I've given up on the head that looks up at an angle.. it's so fucked..

1/4

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some eyes :V

2/4

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I decided to first learn how to draw/understand the parts of the body by themselves. That's a reasonable plan, right?!

Nothing hard with hands so far, I'm scared.

3/4

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fucking hell, arms.

>>2311080
*before going to any gesture drawings, I mean.

Used my own hand as a ref

>>2311083

You don't need to know anatomy to start doing gesture drawings. Those are two different areas of study, although they reinforce each other.

Couldn't find much to answer this. I draw a lot, mainly graphite/pastels. I just got an iPad and want to do basic shit on it to mess around. What is the best app for that? Thank you.

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could someone redline this for me? anatomy is really hard. :((

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>>2311146
https://mega.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Video folder. download Head construction video and watch them.

>>2310716

I love the talent is a meme meme.

Predispositions to skills and 'naturals' can be seen in basically every profession, why would art be any different? Some people just find learning art more intuitive than others, simple as that.
The only time I take offence is when people say "the reason I didn't improve at all is because I don't have talent." as a reason to excuse bad habits.

I have an architecture degree and still draw like horse shit, my decision was based solely on being unable (see too lazy) to study human anatomy and draw it, better late than never!

>>2311166

On the bright side you've probably got shit like perspective down pat, and unless you exclusively used rulers you probably will have good line control. It'll take time but you've got a head start.

give me a thing to draw

a human

and ill draw them

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>>2311180

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>>2311187
...thanks

>>2311187
share your folder please

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trying to get better lines with a tablet. Think I need a bigger resolution to avoid fighting that pixelization (Guess that's a word).

>>2311149
>Head anatomy videos

When is it best to watch these?
Is there something that needs to be eased in to the subject, or can you jump straight in? I hear Vilppu is rather advance, and haven't watched his stuff yet. However, I am watching Proko and Hampton's stuff, and they are quiet the education.

Can you actually get better by just drawing every day something(copy mostly) and ignoring books like Loomis and such?

I just want to draw naked women

>>2311218
you can and you will

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What you think guys?

>>2311222
needs more focus on anatomy

>>2311218
Just drawing general helps. Books provide more knowledge to make the path "easier", but it's still difficult.

>Have trouble with proportions
>Get frustrated, give up
>Decide to figure draw
>Do this at least 2 hours a day
>3 months later, my proportions are WAY better even though I never practice them

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>>2311146
I'm bad too, so take anything said and drawn with a grain of salt

The nose is way too long and the eyes are drawn as if she has them wide open. The eyelids cover a fair bit of the eyes and due to their form you have to draw them differently depending on the angle - an error that is clearly visible on the profile.

The ears look like they're glued to the side of the head and the neck on the bottom picture is massive.

So pretty much what >>2311149 said

>>2311253
I thought you werent allowed to do redlines!

>>2311256
I-I just wanted to draw my version that girl. :(

>>2311253
Thank you soo much. A+++ job!

How would you go about practicing from imagination? I'm guessing you'd draw something, then try to draw that same image again but from memory? Reading up Bridgman Drawing from Life, it's basically what I'm doing.

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>>2311187
Thanks for the picture

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Roarrr

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hands aside (which I need to practice more of in general), is this symbol drawn?

>>2311310
no you seem to have left out the depositphotos symbol

>>2308492
I just love this

>>2311317
see >>2297180

>>2308845
first one looks pretty neat to me, but I suck so dont take what I say too seriously

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>>2311180

>>2311310
I think it's missing its sense of space and volume, but how do I work on adding that?

>>2311310
Study hands theres a lot of information there that would benefit you.
Nah you're fine symbol drawing is mostly when you draw what you think is there instead of what is.
>>2311372
use perspective lines for the floor, it might help

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>>2311379
>>2311310
I was unhappy with it so I redid it with adding floor lines like you said but also adding more detail b/c i felt like it.

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Still can't get rendering right but I don't know what to fix.

I can post my step screencaps if anyone want

>>2311386
looks better, keep going with it
you've got the basic stuff down

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Is there anything I could improve?

>>2311379
why is studying hands important?

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>>2311420
I changed the perspective a bit but I'm worried I'm still symbol drawing.

>>2310840
Kinda, im picturing a medieval cavalier

>>2311487
Het legs looks broken, rotate it

>>2311487

>but I'm worried I'm still symbol drawing

You are still symbol drawing. It should be obvious to you when you draw a sharp triangle for a nose and three lines for the eyes and mouth that you're symbol drawing.

>>2311492
I meant besides the face, which I did that way b/c that's what the character is supposed to look like.

>>2311485
because people generally have hands.

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>>2311493
>which I did that way b/c that's what the character is supposed to look like.

Why is the character supposed to look that way, and why are you drawing characters that are supposed to look that way?
Do you seriously think drawing faces like that is going to teach you anything?

>>2311494
there's no way I can defend against this on this board, but my current focus is general anatomy as well as proper perspective, and I am currently using placeholders for faces until I actually feel "yeah, I know enough about the rest of anatomy and proportions to actually get more into specifics."

If that's the case I probably shouldn't do a face at all then for the time being.

>>2311487
Reminds me of Kenchiro.

>>2311495
For studying anatomy I'd recommend starting by studying bones and muscles. Structure of Man is a good basic artist anatomy series but you can probably find some decent free ones, too.

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>>2311503
I was doing that awhile ago but I guess I'll go back to doing it.

This was drawn before I figured out to draw muscles in layers rather than blocks. I just really like how it came out.

I'm also >>2310468

>>2311495
>>2311494
but on any other board I'd say "the character is Madotsuki from Yume nikki and she is always drawn with hyphens for eyes and a minimalist nose." However I thought it was an unspoken rule on /ic/ to not do drawthread reqests or something while also being in the beginner's thread.

>>2311505
*often, not always. I'll post some more progress in like 12 hours or so.

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>>2311370
Some critique would be much appreciated.

>>2311513
look closer at the picture, theres a lot of stuff off with yours, you either didnt spend enough time or genuinely can't see the differences, which is it?

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How do you go about doing semi-realistic eyes?

>>2310833
And the canopy : it cannot be a circle if you go for a 2 point perspective

>>2311519
If you're talking about how the head should be tilted, I can see that. Also now that I'm looking closer a lot of areas need more detail. I'll go over it again, thanks.

>>2309761
Your drawing is very small (not resolution wise, I mean on paper) so you can't get any correct movement.
At this size, most people (me included) will fall into some kind of symbolism. It's so small that we are drawing using finger movement instead of shoulder movement.
My advise (for what it worth) is to train to draw on large paper (like A3 in international paper size) and then revert back to small sketchbook (your typical A5 sketchbook). Simply draw thousands of ellipses but focus on drawing them using your shoulder and elbow, not your wrist or finger.

>>2309736
It's 1 good value study.

>>2311513
It looks like Chloe Morretz in kick ass 2. I was about to say that your piece is a good one, then I looked at your reference...
So... it's a nice value study, but try to draw first : it will help you build more confidence in your values

>>2311520
You start by doing semi realistic head...the eyes are not your main issue here. You can use symbol like you did while you study the head volumes and planes

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>>2311520
Drawing semi realistically aka not flat is a matter of drawing in 3d, you gotta wrap the eye lids around the eyeball and place the eyes in proper perspective

also I got carried away sketching over your drawing

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thanks /ic/ I don't remember the last time I had so much fun

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>>2311520
I couldnt really draw what Im thinking of properly but hopefully it helps, perspective is the most important thing along with form/shape to a good drawing imo

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>>2311513
>>2311519
>>2311531
How's this? I wanted to practice digital tonal drawing because I've never been very good at it.

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>>2311520
Enjoy.

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i give up

>>2311396
post it pl0x

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>>2311563
Quit bad brush economy and tons of other problems looking back. I'm never satisfied with my work. I'm still held back by my understanding of the software. Don't take it as a guide.

Just remember to squint a lot and zoom out as you work through. Use soft brush sparingly.

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did this so far. thoughts?

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>>2311596
very weird tangent here and the blue clouds photo feels out of place

>>2311278
Sorry if this sounds like a retarded question, but wondering if this was the best way to approach his book.

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I think I fucked up door on the other side

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I have been lurking /ic/ for a year or so, too conscious that my drawings are actually shit to actually post.

what's symbol drawing/thinking?
I see many people reefer to this in a lot of posts

>>2311674
>what's symbol drawing/thinking

literally what it says it is. thinking in symbols, instead of drawing what is the subject you draw a symbol of what you think the subject is.

post your drawings

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>>2311683

maybe i'm not that familiar with the terminology
but yes, it seems I very do that
just fuck my shit up

>>2311686
well honestly you seem to have fun drawing what you draw, which makes you pass the first question when it comes to drawing

the second question is if you want to make money of it or not

third is how you want to make money of it

and fourth and the final question is how to get better at what you want to achieve.

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>>2311687
well I'm officially a graphic designer
and yes I draw stuff as hobby
the thing is I dig the whole medieval demonology theme.
and I would like to archive that necronomicon/satanic/ocult feeling
but whatever

>>2311690
well since medieval drawing pracices and teachings were sometimes heavily fucking retarded there is no reason you shouldnt be able to do it.

i dont know that much about medieval drawing but i know that since they hadnt studied figures and the human body as much they relied on their stylization a lot, as visible in medieval art. assuming that it shouldnt be too hard getting there, looking at your first drawing what ruins the medieval drawing feel for me is where you started scribbling around the legs and face as you werent exactly sure about the shapes youre drawing.

besides that just do what you want to do m8

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I haven't been drawing for months, time to get back on track

>>2311222
>>2311227
not the person you replied to, but I was wondering how it needs more focus on anatomy. The only thing I could guess is that the legs might be too big, but I thought that was just a style thing.

NEW THREAD

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I haven't drawn in a year....
> I wasn't great to begin with but here's a sketch from my binder of shit I drew that I wanna tattoo on myself

>>2311485
Not him but drawing hands improve your observation and construction skills. Though I also think hands are recommended because it is accessible and complex enough for artist of all stages.

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I'm trying to get back into drawing, after not doing it seriously for years. Just starting with some basics. Any advice on how to improve?