DRAW THREAD

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you guys are so lazy about making new draw threads. anyways heres this. i tried doing something different with the plates because I think the way they are hatched is too stylistic, and not helpful enough. obviously there's no substitute for life drawing but I felt like this was better practice for me than doing a million vertical lines.

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>>2308180
also i drew this girl again. it's very relaxing drawing her at the end of the day

>>2308181
>>2308180

You're missing the point of the Bargue plates. They're supposed to be long continuous lines so that the drawing as a whole doesn't fall apart which is exactly what happened in the second drawing. Each line drawn has to relate to every other previous line drawn but what you're doing is drawing a line in space, forgetting where you put it, then drawing another line, forgetting where you put it and then drawing another line and so on. It looks broken. There are parts that are 3D but they're on different levels so it looks flat as a whole.

>>2308180
Top left definitely reads the best, the middle and lower ones cut off at a weird angle and make the side of the ankle look less cylindrical and more flat.
>>2308181
Head is proportionally very large compared to the rest of the drawing. Also structurally not much of the face makes sense, the ridge of her nose near the eye on the right in particular sticks out to me.
>>2308210
I'm digging the rendering in this, I wonder if the darks could be a bit more exaggerated to push it further. Love the detail of the bird skull though, reads well.

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Cc about the legs is appreciated. Kind of messed up the weight and knee/lower leg(?)

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bleh bleh plugging away. Took a while to get the orc's skin right. I find it very difficult to get the base colors right from the get go. had to use a reference to get the green right.

>>2308244
rendering on point dude, might want to change where the marine is looking, it looks a bit goofy how it is. can't wait to see what color you make the background I reckon it will really unify the piece

>>2308221
the forefront leg seems a bit off. Maybe try straightening out a little more and removing the awkward curve around the characters ankle. the rest of the body seems well proportioned. All in all just try toning down the curve on the tibia and you should be fine.

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>>2308221
perspective brah. weird how you got that one bit wrong when the rest of the piece is ok

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>>2308221
When you rotate your foot on the x axis like you have in the drawing here, it seems you've tried to emphasize the rotation of the lower leg as well. So what you have done is drawn the inner calf muscle bulging out as it follows the twist of the foot. (understand what I mean?) This doesn't happen in real life. Your lower leg does not have bones that twist, you can lightly rotate your ankle but that's it.

So to fix, just draw the lower leg a bit more normally, as though it's not twisting as much and it'll look better.

His foot doesn't quite look like it's planted on the ground You've drawn the foot shape like an even wedge, same width at the top as it is at the bottom. Emphasize the widening toward the toes.

I was about to say his balance looked off, like he might fall backward but it seems he's just on the edge. Though I guess taking into account the weight of the sword thing I think he is actually off balance. A simple remedy would be to move his leg back even more to sturdy himself.

>>2308244
is that you guy who draw stalerk with with and girl a few days ago?

>>2308265

What's a stalerk? You mean the picture with the creepo zombie dude and the fish?

>>2308266
yeah

>>2308270
Yeah. That's me.

But what is stalerk? I googled but came up with nothing of relevance

>>2308293
i mean stalker*
also do you have blog? your work pretty cool

>>2308296
Google themichaelmacrae

>>2308302
why you don't post your work to DA?

>>2308244
please tell me you are putting a sword in the marines hand, would really fit there, as if he is ready to pull it like a samurai into the orcs abdomen

>>2308339
Yeah that's the plan I'm thinking chain sword but maybe a sword sword. Not sure, gonna do it last

>>2308316
I do, it's under the same name.

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>>2308175
does it look like metal?

>>2308368
No looks like ceramic with a glaze

>>2308353
why you attaked russian airplane?

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study

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>>2308372
you were right
what about now?

>>2308412
Better, but still not quite there. Try looking up some reference of whatever you want the material to look like. Since it's a dark blueish colour it's probably painted or tinted somehow. Take a look at what that armour is like in real life: http://www.ageofarmour.com/images/black_gothic_armour_med.jpg

This one is black so maybe not exactly what you are looking for, but do some research.

Also keep in mind that metal isn't simply "white stripey highlight!". It's a specular reflection, so notice how in the photo I linked it's the sky that's being reflected, and the planes which are reflecting are only those with a specific angle. Something less polished or under slightly different conditions may look more like this: http://s51.photobucket.com/user/cobweb_diamond/media/blogger/article-1344795-0048949C00000258-457_472x332.jpg.html

>>2308408
stop using texture brushes, because you dont know how to use them.

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>>2308368
>>2308412
Metal reflects its surroundings. You can't arbitrarily light it and hope it looks like metal. You see the nerd in this picture? The metal color is entirely dependent upon its surroundings, as well it's form and which direction it's facing. In this particular image, you can clearly see which pieces are facing the grass and which pieces are facing the sky. You can see the form.

In your image with two white stripes, I can see you're trying to make it look more rounded, but the shape, judging by the lighting, honestly makes no sense. I think once you understand the shape and how to capture the light, your metal will look more like metal. Texturing metal isn't the difficult part after all, you just have to keep it hard. It's the specularity that makes it difficult.

>>2308424
>leaving a big hole for your crotch

Is that nerd out to be stabbed in the dick or is ERP gear?

>>2308426
Maybe he just likes it when people hit him in the dick. He'd probably worry more if someone had an actual sword near his dick.

>>2308426
>leaving a big hole for your crotch
tfw you forget your codpiece

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crits?

>>2308438
You spent all that time rendering, but you didn't take the time to set up an interesting composition or choose objects with any relation or meaning.

Anyways, it's somewhat a matter of taste, but it's too literal I think. There's no sense of play, no sense of artistry, no YOU in it. It's just a very clean and factual image. From a viewer's standpoint it is no better than a photo. I realize it was likely an exercise, but I still feel you could have made more interesting decisions in it (as opposed to no decisions like now).

>>2308438

I think it could do with some softer edges. Use harder edges at focal points and softer edges at points where you want less attention. Soft edges receeds, and sharp edges come forward. It kind of looks like all of the objects are drawn with the path tool in photoshop. It's a good start but needs some variety if you want it to read as more naturalistic

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some late morning doodling before figure drawing

>>2308445
Thanks anon, really helpful.

>>2308442
I think you're right anon, mostly. Yes, I just choose objects I have in around in my house and place it there, but well, I guess each object say something about me and for me have a relation and meaning, but I get what you say.

Any suggestions on the composition?

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i'm gonna add a background to this, but here's the figure I did today.

>>2308592
You're getting worse tbqh.

>>2308592
are you just trolling now?

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>>2308414
>>2308424
thanks a lot anons. gonna continue doing studies

>>2308202
>windows paint guy is accidentally learning.
someday windows dude.

>>2308595
ke kek ke kek kek kek
>>2308597
nope i'm just drawing how i like to draw. i'm sure some people on this board appreciate it.

>>2308616
not completly acidentaly, i'm trying do paint with real paint and doing some figure studies, but slowly. Thanks anyway

>>2308641
Keep it up, next month you'll be better than this dude >>2308592

>>2308643
as that dude, i enjoy MSPaint guy's work more than pretty much anyone who posts regularly on here. he's the least concerned with routine and the most concerned with just making pretty pictures. I wish some of you guys would take learning fundamentals a little slower instead of hammering on them so much, and instead try to make good images with what you are currently capable of.

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>>2308648
>I wish you'd stop trying so hard to get better and just focus on polishing turds

>>2308657
>everyone here can draw fine
>just make something interesting
>MSPaint guy can do it why can't you

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>>2308659
anyways i finished the background

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figure drawing

>>2308673
don't scribble. lines should follow the form of the body. try not to be stylistic with how you do shadows, just draw what you see even if you think it's too dark. and draw the hair, no reason to be lazy when you have a girl's long hair in front of you. it's a great chance for practice.

also don't leave such large areas white. she's not a light source.

>>2308678
Not involved, but basically you're saying to put more time into it, aren't you?

>>2308673
Good proportions, but you are overemphasizing things when it comes to values. Like it looks like you were taught a few tools to use and then just misunderstood and are applying them really crudely. I'm talking about how you are making the core shadow really dark and uniformly thin, then the main shadow shape a lighter tone (but you handle it incorrectly so it gives the impression of chrome or something and does not accurately describe the form), you are outlining your cast shadows too harshly, and you are overly concerned with shadow shapes to the point of emphasizing some ugly and unnecessary ones like the shapes near her right armpit (our left). It looks as though you are stuck on the specifics and then lost sight of the whole image. Nothing relates, nothing is handled as a part of the whole.

Squint at the figure more and try to treat it as a whole.

>>2308252
Thanks mate, that was really helpfull.

The twist was indeed too much.

>>2308681
no... im saying those things i mentioned. if it's a 20 minute pose you have 20 minutes. just gotta prioritize what you work on.

>>2308668
Stop it. Your "lol random abstract shapes and figures" are terrible. They are just that, "lel random", as you don't know how to purposely do them and work them into the composition, you don't know how to design them as pleasant shapes. You just doodle them when you can't draw what you really want, just like I used to do in fourth grade. You think it's fun to draw these, whoever frustrating, but to look at it's just an unpleasant as fuck mess.
I don't know if you find them humorous as well, but I feel I should add that they are not funny, they are disgusting.
The hatching, bold outlines, the forms... If I would dare to describe how all of this reads to me, I would say it looks like clumps of petrified flesh, theses are clumps of flesh with cellulite which are being shitted fresh and wet and then they petrify in mid air.

I don't know if I am close to succesfully explain how much I hate this.

>>2308678
>>2308683
Thank you. It hurts to hear but i know you're right.

I hurried some aspects because i was limited to 3 hours, and i drew it quite large (A1 paper). Maybe next time i will bring charcoal instead.

>>2308688
lol, go get some fresh air
>>2308689
nah keep trying pencil. maybe you just need a wider range of values. I think you would really struggle with charcoal since you are so precious with dark areas. It might be a bit overwhelming. I'd say keep doing pencil.

>>2308693
Don't worry Brian, I am getting plenty of fresh air from out here in the open where I am burning this shit ton of printed copies of you drawing

>>2308689
You had three hours for that? I know that different people work at different speeds, but that is a decent amount of time and you should be able to get a bit further along I think. Perhaps using larger drawing media like charcoal or graphic sticks would help cover large areas of value and also would help you keep large value masses instead of having that patchy appearance. It would probably help you to start off with a 2 value image--just lights and darks separated. Then you can use what time is left to bring in subtleties and transitions and a greater value range.

I suggest looking at people who have good use of shadow shapes without it feeling mechanical. Mark Tennant's drawings take value massing and separating lights and shadows to the extreme, but they are still very nice. Francis Vallejo is worth looking at too, he has amazing values and simplifications and is great at keeping things from ever getting stiff.

Anyone got a place where I can get good quality reference for metal and shit? Metal armor in particular. Just google it?

>>2308701
Look up Renaissance fairs or various battle reenactments or jousting. There's large communities that are dedicated to building armour and then they meet up and you can find tons of photos of them outside in natural good lighting. It's way better than looking at shitty photos of old armour in museums that are lit from a shit ton of random lights.

>>2308701
You can probably google it and find some things, but there's actually a reference thread up right now that has quite a number of really nice pics of armor. I was browsing it myself yesterday looking for one I might want to study.

>>2308668
I don't like the background, but your technique isn't as bad as people are making it out to be.

>>2308721
don't lie to brian, brian

>>2308376
I'm not turkish. I'm canadian. I have a turkish friend though I'll ask him.

>>2308668
>>2308648
I hate it
And I hate your attitude

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Drew this just now...

>>2308728
Read sticky, you're not drawing yet, those are just symbols.

>>2308701
As the other guy said, reenactments. For more variety, you could also just look up LARPers, but that might give you more shit to dig through to find the really good stuff. Some LARP stuff is really good, some of it is really bad. But it does give you more fantasy armor to study. /tg/ used to have some really good threads with this kind of stuff, but I don't know if they do that anymore nowadays. Haven't been there in awhile.

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>>2308659
See, now that's what you don't seem to understand: MSPaint guy sucks.
He doesn't make interesting pieces, he just scribbles on MSPaint. And that's the problem with abstract art, you don't know who is a genius and who sucks, because in reality every one of them sucks. MSPaint guy is just some guy who sucks at composition, he sucks at figure drawing, he sucks at forms and colors. So that's how he masks all of his flaws, "I am just drawing this askewed burn victim goblin woman because I want to. It's my style", "this castle is not just two brick walls and these figures are not just stickmen it's my style", even when he draws porn it's "my style".

Pica related, it's his porn.

>>2308748
I hope you're going to give her shoes. I hate it when people draw women standing on their toes unsupported because they don't know how to draw feet without high heels.

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>>2308745
You're trying way too hard to shit-talk. Nice paragraph, but this is a drawing board. Not a creative writing board.

>I dont like MSpaint guy
>therefore he is garbage
>I dont like abstract art
>only idiots like abstract art

etc. etc.

TL;DR keep on sip sippin' that haterade

>>2308745
>because in reality every one of them sucks.
lol, it's true though.

>>2308418
more like, learn what brushes to use... '-'

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how do you even character design??

>>2308244
Man... just one more time, u can get this.

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>>2308781
Well, it's an old piece, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to get a critique. please critique and rate my profound piece of abstract art

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some girl
>>2308362
>those shoulders
yes anon

>>2308818
Why is her ass where her muff should be

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Black and white conte crayon on grey paper. Still life, 2.5 hours. Crit?

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>>2308175
Have a bit trobule with that feet some anon mentioned. Hope to be done with legs today (?)

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poop. i like this one. might be my favorite of all of them i've done

>>2308806
THis reminds me a little too much of that one deviant artist who does those weird elongated lizard people things... you know the one

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Do you ever feel like you're way in over your head and have no idea how to fix something

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Anyone uses comic pens?
The current paper i use still scratches

>>2308886
Be specific, what do you want to fix?

>>2308886
It's good that you're pushing yourself, but bad if you can't see what things you're doing wrong. Right now the biggest things that will take your work to the next level is value control and material definition. All of your fundamentals need work though.

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Fucking geisha shoes are weird.

>>2308906
A lot of things. Right now, the one that bugs me the most is how flat everything looks.

>>2308921
Gosh darn you're right.

>>2308927
why do they only have two eyes?

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Sloggin thorugh

>>2308729
>read
t-they told to just draw.

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Study of a girl.

>>2308955
More saturation and less relying on the eyedropper to blend. With something like fire, you really have to deliberately select your colors, if you try blending before the colors are perfect it winds up adding a lot of grey to it which kills the effect.

What you should do for this:

See how parts of the flame are more see-through than others? the darker parts of the flame have less flame particles in them that is why they are less bright. Ignore that. When painting flames, use only high saturated orange and yellows with tints of high saturated reds around the edges, fill it all in evenly and then after the fact ERASE bits of it to create the see-through-ness. It preserves the saturation and keeps you from unintentionally adding greys.

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I finished this pencil drawing the other day. Before anyone asks, I did a very very rough trace for the proportions of each character. But all of the faces, the details on the clothing, and anything in the background was all free hand. Scold me if you want, but I need help with something else.

I want to paint over this drawing in Photoshop. I want to paint it in grayscale first and add color to it after. What's the best possible method for me to do that? I was doing fine for a bit, but I'm not liking how the first face is coming out and I seem to be at a loss when I start on the clothing. I'm currently trying to airbrush it like I usually would but I feel like I could be using a brush with better opacity/flow.

Another thing, I've got this sketch on bottom with the base color/shading color layers on top. The base color layer is at 50% opacity so that I can still see the sketch underneath. This causes some confusion however, since I know when I finish shading on the shading layer, I'll crank the base color layer back up to 100% and it'll be twice as dark. It feels like I've created one big mess.

What would be the best method for me to paint over this sketch in Photoshop?

>>2308927
You drew her arm opening the robe in the most unsexy way possible. Her face with the huge nose could be excused if it wasn't for her awkward pose/ her neck.
She has a giraffe's neck, and it looks so stiff it looks like she is forcing it to go higher. What is giving me this impression is how long it is, the super detailed bones on the base of the neck, and the way her trapezius is down, even though her arm is suposed to be lifted. All of this corroborate to her not looking relaxed. She looks tense as fuck as she is forcing every muscle next to her clavicle to maintain this pose.

Also, her sister hand up hiding her boobs don't look natural. The left girl's pose kinda works by itself, but combined with the other sister's pose and the obvious hand placement, it looks as forced as the right girl's pose.

By the way, I agree with you, it's hard to get it right aesthetically, but come on anon, these are the lewd triclops sisters, they have to have a third eye. Don't fuck up these princesses. make their nose smaller, their faces rounder and find a way to make that third eye work

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How's this coming along? I was thinking of adding another light source from behind.

What are some good exercises to work on your fundamentals? Just general studies?

>>2309032
repost

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Getting pretty exited about pulling another all-nighter!

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>>2309000

>>2309035
i will literally fart down you'r butt hole

>>2309038
>another all-nighter
How many hours have you put into it so far? And how many do you usually take for a finished piece? Does Warhammer even pay their artists high enough to justify multiple full work days and all-nighters? Is this test even paid?

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Current thing, forgive camera, also I suck

>>2309048
If I do well and they accept it they'll pay me like 200 bucks. If that happens I believe you get added to their pool of freelance artists. And I've been told that they pay well for freelance. Like 1.5 to 2 k or something which by my standards is fucking tip top considering what I've been doing for the past 6 months.

All that said, this could be a sinister ploy by them to get away with paying pennies for paintings.

I'm only really spending all nighters because I started late on this and I'm stressing about it. I've basically given myself 6 days to start and finish a full on illustration where normally I'd spread out the work hours over 2 to three weeks. And besides I haven't got anything better to do.

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>>2308849
Ayy lmao /m/

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You think people would buy my shit?

>>2309038
>chessboard pauldrons
going for kitschy look there?

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>>2309065
>>2309067

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>>2309072

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>>2308748
you're getting better, make the hair softer though. hair is floofy and only has v few hard edges. I think that would look better even with your cartoony style

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Working with cool colors. Came out very nice I'm my opinion. Critique is welcomed.

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I drew it with lines on SAI and then took away the lines... not it looks like those cool wallpaper things

>>2308842
I like this man. Always appreciate things that work with the lights and darks of a solid color

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>>2308886
bruh, i hate to be the guy to tell people to not draw what they love, but you really really need to master your fundamentals for scenes like this to not be laughable. You clearly have some rendering and color pallete skill, even composition though that too needs work. I did a quick paintover for you to look at. Please read up on perspective, it'll do wonders. For now start smaller and save the giant armies for when you've improved

>>2309099
try going over this in illustrator or something! would be sweet as a vector

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>>2309097
try working with a higher opacity brush, makes for better line economy. don't rely on a low opacity to blend; use the colour picker. IMO it would be nicer if the pink was warmer or you just did it monochrome blue. The jaw is a bit incorrect, it reads well as a thumb tho. here's what I mean w the colours

>>2309052
That's pretty insane. Could you please link to their site?

>>2309114
thanks i appreciate the advise. i used blue and purple thats about it. i was going for a real cold painting. the brush i was using was at 100% but it was a custim brush from another set, so it might have been the original creaters filler brush rather the refinement brush. again thank you for the help

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Not big on backgrounds, but white space was depressing me.

>>2309118
np mate, yeah I kinda figured you were going for an all out cold image, that's why i suggested maybe just doing it entirely blue. maybe use the smudge tool w a scattered brush for blending then?

>>2309119

>PERSPECTIVE

desu I like this little character though

>>2309120
i'm thinking about checking out the harder brushes in the set, because i see what you mean. it looks almost like layered tissue paper.

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This is my drawing final, in progress. The prof keeps bring up how Degas and Vermeer grouped shapes and spaces, so I tried to play off that that.
this guy's grading me mostly on composition but any crit would be welcome this things a big chunk of grade for me.

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>>2309129
God damn cellular phone

>>2309038
Michael why do u like penis?

>>2309131
I give up
this is why I draw on paper

>>2308426
maybe he's Calvary

>>2309107
:(

Honestly, though, this is what I've been feeling like for a while. So much just feels wrong and I'm never even sure of what it is. I s'pose more studying's on the menu for me. Thanks, anon.

>>2309132
Hey bb U wanSumFuk? :)

>>2309138
I really like your ideas and compositions, I'm rooting for you. don't give up!

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Haven't been able to sit down and paint for a few weeks. Just losing focus, so after three weeks started this today and still in the block and design phase.

>>2309152
Design wise it's kindof generic. I suggest adding something to break it up. Try stuff that doesn't immediately seem "right", then work them until they do.

>>2309158
I will definitely look at trying that out.

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>>2308818
I absolutely fucking love everything you draw. Do you just dive right into drawing the contours for your sketches, or do you do some kind of construction drawing first? I love how lively it looks.

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grubby experimentation, very rough and messy
>>2308838
???
>>2309177
thanks!
I guess you could say I do construction before hand? I draw in large simplified 3D shapes to get the shapes, their proportion, and their perspective down, then I just erase those lines redraw the lines you see. However I have a lot of the construction internalized when it comes to drawing humans so with a lot of erasing I can usually free hand the forms.

>>2309211
I made this drawing using this song as an inspiration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-FgEyOV7bQ

>>2309168

>not getting a get on one of the slowest boards on the site

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pls help

>>2309242
first apply yourself, before asking for advice.

>>2308842
very nice! but please learn to post this right side up

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started as a gesture drawing, cleaned up afterwards. no reference.

proportions are not right, I also have to study portrait hard.

It's been a while since I last picked my tablet up. wanted to share, critics are welcomed

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I've never been a huge artist but i always enjoyed doing small things here and there mainly with pencil. I've always wanted a tablet but i've had to settle with my mouse unfortunately. Is there potential if i decide to go digital? Did this in about half an hour i think?

>>2309292
If you want to go digital, then save up and buy a tablet. Working with a mouse will yield terrible results, be slow and frustrating, and possibly lead to repetitive stress injuries like tendonitis.

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i'd like to thank the anon who suggested scott robertson's how to draw book. im going to dedicate a whole sketch book to get through this thick ass book.

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>>2308394

Have I hit uncanny valley? Going to try paint over this now and loosen it up a bit.

>>2308904
comic pens? you mean like micron, etc.
i primarily draw with felt tip pens. I usually just draw on toned paper and it does fine

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>>2308935
>>2308998
well thx for the crit, i'll try to change some things then. and I did the eyes, just hid them cause I just didn't like it too much.

>>2309323
It might help if you do the third eyes vertical instead of horizontal.

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Hoping this will magically turn decent when i finish up tomorrow

>>2309345
Look at the volume of her head. Or is she a spoon? Empty from behind creating a cavity excellent for gathering soup?

Look at the reference closely again. Look how far back her hair actually goes and redefine it :)

>>2308849
why LYAO?

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>>2309323
Yeah... they don't really work like this. This anon has it right >>2309343

I don't know why but I stoped what I was doing to work on it, and this is what I came up with. See if you can use anything from this.
This clearly should be ic's number one priority right now: try to make triclops sexy.

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>>2309312

will fix colours tomorrow

>>2309451
how can there be a shadow for the leg going in her boot if the light is from the top left angle?

Also, follow the light and fix the shadow on the shoulder.

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pre-sketch before digital colorin

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Some super poopy study that I got bored of so stopped working on

>>2309052
Okay cool thanks for letting me know. Watching you paint this and hearing that they pay decently makes me want to try my hand at their art test. Although I don't know shit about warhammer and I tend to prefer painting more static or subtle images instead of flashy battle scenes, so maybe it would be a waste of both my and their time.

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another attempt

>>2309211
I'm curious who your inspiration is. It kinda reminds me a little of Moebius. I also really like your thin ass lines, do you use MS paint?

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>>2309737
I use the pen tool in photoshop set at one pixel with no pen pessure. I could really use any program honestly mspaint included and get the same results

>>2309745
May I have your blog please? I would like to view your art work. You've got some good taste, friend.

>>2309748
thanks bud
http://slump-master.tumblr.com/

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>>2309040

>>2309807
What

>>2309755
Looks like latex or something to me more than metal.

>>2308673
I like it, it has potential! You should just push your values even further and finish it!

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In a mecha drawing mood.

>>2308980
Love your pencilwork!
>>2309721
It looks really good as it is, anon

>>2309827
This is cool! I'm not really strong at design so this might be totally irrelevant. I just feel like the proportions on this could be pushed a little more. Like something interesting would be really elongating that arm on the left, and making the end of the arm on the right really huge! Maybe playing with the shape of the feet more so they taper in even more. Just an idea, but like I said I don't do a lot of design work so that could be totally wrong.

>>2309751
Your shit is so rad, dude. Keep it up. Definitely following you.

>>2309827
Looks good! Do you mind posting the underdrawing you did for it? Curious how you approach such a clean image.

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>>2309836
I was playing around with the proportions, especially on the arms, but decided to make them a bit smaller and more human proportion. Might still mess with the proportions of everything though, thanks for the idea.
>>2309855
Sure, this is the rough sketch.

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Crit please.

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Hey, could you guys help me out with composition?

>>2309864
Sweet thanks! It's still very clean. I never was able to get good linework, I just have to do gestural lines then work with shapes. Interesting to see though! Do you do lots of traditional drawing as well?

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I'm not sure what to do with the colors. I hope this turn out decent

>>2309865
Avoid the airbrush for the moment and try painting more opaque and confident shapes. Also I would keep it just 2-value and get the shapes correct before dealing with halftones or reflected light.

>>2309723
More contrast, don't be afraid to use lighter lights and darker darks, You're hovering too much in the middle.

>>2309868
I like your setup so far, it might be more visually interesting if you had different color lights going on though. The main light looks kind of warm lavender, I think it'd be good if the light coming from behind her was more of an icy blue.

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Original character for my upcoming anime. He's a mouse man who wears big white gloves, wears red pants, and his best friend/enemy is a duck with a bad speech impediment.

>>2309894
I'm tired of the realistic fanart/creepy fanart/ironically done creepy fanart. Feels like a waste of your skills and a pandering attempt. Like the drawing aspects are very nice, but the subject just ruins it.

>>2309871
Ok, thanks for the tip!

>>2309886
Got it. Thanks dude.

>>2309898
Thanks for the compliment. I'm just a hobbyist and don't have any pretensions about the value of art. I'm just trying to have fun mate.

>>2309922
It's not about the value of art or anything pretentious. I'd just rather see you draw things that are relevant to you. There's a shit ton of spooky micky mouse drawings out there, and they are cheap things. Draw something more personal or inventive. You have good skills, so use them.

>>2309401
yeah thx, I think i'm gonna change the pose, but I don't think I'll touch the faces/necks they seem fine to me (except the third eyes of course). your twins kinda look like midgets with such short necks. Working on it.

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Back to studying.
I'm trying to do this with a new method. It was super slow, but it provided some nice results, I think.

>>2309894
Why does he wear gloves? Is he horribly scared?

>>2309823
no he shouldn't. he should wait until next time and work on other observational drawings in the meantime. stop giving bad advice

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I'm tempted to add some katanas.

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>>2310145
add them to my throat pls.
Fucking gimp brushes and gimp overall is hard as shit to do, and I don't want to invest in photoshop until I get gudder. Day 3 of loomis on right, day 2 on left. Should I head in a different focus?

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>>2310111

>>2309068
that is one of the common looks of the WH40K orcish armor iirc

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destroy me

>>2310232
Pose is stiff/boring/cut off awkwardly. Neck is ridiculously tiny and shitty anime face. The hand is decent.

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WOO I think I'm done?

>>2310236
Advice for improving the pose?

>>2310244
sure, but its boring. composition. color and value. the only thing you seemed to nail is your edges and rendering.

>>2310148
Nice job not paying attention to shit senpai

>>2310244
That's badass.

>>2310250
That's all they're looking for thankfully.

>>2310244
Your amazing rendering skills are wasting on a very boring composition, also the direction that guy is looking is bothering me a lot

>>2310244

He is not holding the sword properly. The blade of a sword/knife/axe etc. is supposed to align with the direction of the arm just like a gun. Unless you have done martial arts you might not pick up on it directly, but I think you would atleast subconsciously be able to tell that it doesn't look right.
Other than that, I'm concerned that it might look a bit unfinished but maybe their demands for polish is lower for art tests? In any case, good luck.

>>2310262
I'm aware of the comp. It's not wonderful, but the whole point of the test is for them to see if you can paint their characters with the right amount of detail and accuracy. If I had the files I'd show you some of the ones they accepted, they're worse than mine.

>>2310272
Why are you posting it here then? You've already decided you're finished, go turn it in.

>>2310268
I know, that was how it was originally. Had I planned better I'd have worked in a pose that let you see the top of the sword naturally but alas it didn't occur to me until last night. As it's a test I figured it might be better to show the the the front of the sword so, I don't know, maybe it would show that I can draw swords

Maybe he's really bad at sword fighting, that's why he's so pissed he ran out of ammo.

What specifically looks unfinished?

>>2310275
It's due today and they're in Europe so I'll send it in before midnight. Got a few hours

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>>2310308
Quit stallin nigga.

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>>2310318

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Any printmakers in the thread? Finished this edition tonight. Medium is Intaglio.

>>2310236
>anime face
kek, where?

>>2310335
The planet looks like it's in the atmosphere, It looks this way because it's darkest values are darker than the darkest values in the sky. Notice how the shadowed part of our moon is the same color as the sky during the day? Same deal here, Your planet cannot go darker than your atmosphere obscuring it.

>>2309107
you clearly have no idea how to foreshorten leg either.

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>>2310342

>>2310356
I didn't even notice the little dudes until like the 4th time I looked at it.

>>2310356
Much better already. Now taking into account where the light source is, There should be almost no light hitting the back side of the planet. The kind of light hitting the planet should create a crescent shape. You shouldn't be able to see any detail on the back of it. After you blacken all that out try pushing the lights of the crescent a bit to give it more contrast. Also, the rings around the planet will not only reflect light, but refract it as well. They will glow. Look at photos of taken from behind saturn the rings if in light, viewed from underneath or up top will be illuminated. For your planet's rings take into account the shadow of the planet being cast upon them. I can do a quick paintover to show you if you want

>>2310356
Ooooh Another problem I noticed, like anon, I didn't notice the little people there. And when I did, it didn't read that they were smaller than the alien dude. I figured hew as just closer to the viewer. To make this convincing you'd have to change a few more things. I'll do a quickie to illustrate it

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>>2310244
you should stop polishing turds for days on end and start learning how to draw faces. cause man. that is one shitty face. any face would be better than that.

pic related: any other face than that one cause yeesh

>>2310244
Congrats on finishing in time. It's well rendered but lacks impact as an image. I think you could have pushed the lighting a bit more for more drama, and some more figures in the distance might have looked good if you had time. Maybe repainted the space marine's face too. All things considered though it's a good art test. Let us know what they say. I remember seeing Ross do the same art test last year but I don't think he got the gig: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rR61m

>>2310372
Mine's not perfect but I don't think yours is much better, It's the wrong angle anyway. i'll do some tweaking regardless

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no clue how to make this more interesting

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>>2310244
Just think composition and think about the action of each character. It would be nice if they would use their weapon, now it looks like they are holding pose for the camera you know. You really need to improve composition and scene story because you are awesome and you can do that easily I think.

(here is sketchy example)

>>2310244
Maybe the sky could use some warm color in contrast with the characters to make it more interesting? Anyway, it's great you made it on time, happy for you anon.

>>2310396
lol go away
>>2310384
just redo the head and face. make it more manly these are space marines they're supposed to be gears of war levels of huge. my face isn't perfect, but it's better than the one you currently have even if you don't want to outright say it. With another hour yours would be leagues better than my paintover. Don't get lazy on the only human face in the image. It's supposed to be the most relatable part of the image really make it have an impact. hell do a few of them and pick the best. just. not. that. one. please.

>>2310400
Your guy was too fat lol. I'm re drawing it brb.

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The colors feels kind of dull and muddy to me, I'd prefer a contrast bump like this but that's just my opinion.

>>2310409
That's not "your opinion", it's a matter of fact. It's also probably his major porblem, pretty much the entirety of his work is affected by dullness due to lack of value range.

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I call it... "Shell Storm".

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>>2310409

>>2310431
I hate you

>>2310431
lol

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>>2310431
don't mind me

>>2310451
im fuckin losin it over here lmao

>>2310409
This looks much better

>>2310431
>>2310451
SUPER RARE and they're mine now. See ya losers, i'm gonna crash the pepe market with no survivors.

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>>2310244
Hello, i spent 20 minutes doing some fixes on how i would've approached the drawing, hope it helps.

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>>2310244
>>2310512
Addes some color balance also

>>2310512
The space marine looks like he's giving that ork a stern talking to.

>>2310512
... really?

>>2310518
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that. It definitely looks like he's going "Hey man, you gotta remember, it's not cool, okay?" and the orc's like "Aw man..."

>>2310523
now i cant fucking unsee it

>>2310517
I see what you're going for but it doesn't quite work. It looks like the marine is patting the orc on the shoulder.

Also a 2 key points in the brief are very specific 1: No dark or muddy images!
2: We prefer to show events directly before or after acts of violence.

So it basically took physical contact off the table.

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Polished some details, almost done

>>2310531
I see, then all i can say is to do some color balance and some color dodge afterwards to create some depth of field, make the drawing to feel like i want to stare at it for endless amount of time.
>>2310518
>>2310523
Well, it must've slipped.
>>2310522
Yeah really.

>>2310532
Haven't you been working on this for infinite time now?

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>>2309539
cheersm8

Not reciving feedback is the worse.
I don't know how much negatively I should interpret it

>>2310662

You're probably in that middle stage where you aren't doing anything so obviously wrong someone will yell at you for it, yet you're also not good enough to get praise.

What did you post?

>>2310517
>>2310512
>>2310396
Good job on fucking it up.

>>2310674
Eh its hard to accept that there is people better than you.

>>2310244
I'd watch that tangent between the orc ear and pauldron.

For what it's worth, I actually like some of the changes in >>2310396. The yellow sky, tighter crop, warmer background, and changes to the orc's head increase the sense of action/tension. The red eyes probably aren't necessary, but I like the other changes to that head. Motion blurs are heavy handed - I'd skip those obviously. Mood changes a lot though, so I can see why people might lean away from it.

The space marine's armor feels like it's lit inconsistently. Maybe separate the light masses from the dark masses a little more like how it is on the orc? Maybe it's how the light sources don't affect the blues that much, because it looks like a blue plastic toy instead of metal.

>>2310700
>Maybe separate the light masses from the dark masses a little more
What the hell are you guys even saying
its some of the best shit I see here in a long time. if he doesn't win, its just because he really doesn't fit the GW syle. just that.
stop trying to invent ways to fix what doesn't need to be fixed, its pathetic

>>2310729
>its some of the best shit I see here in a long time.
irrelevant. they won't say "oh, you got the job because most of /ic/ is shit." they will compare him to other pros and he should make sure his work is up to par. at that level small differences can be all it takes, and yes he is good but that image feels only 90% there.

>>2310732
Starting posts with "irrelevant." should be a bannable offense.
don't think that GW has so high standards. they'll just look at all the entries and choose the one that they think is already close to the style they want. nobody will give two shits about the rest, or how promising and talented look the artist. people here have matured the wrong concept that employers care about subtelities in their artwork.
because its not, and there's a whole internet out there supporting this fact.
qwack qwack bitch niggers

>>2310729
Time to get harsh.

If you go by realistic rendering then that might be true (Most people who put that much effort into something don't dump it on an anonymous message board) but there are things that are more important to a good image. Like flow and how action is conveyed (As some jokes have pointed out). How the image overall read. Understanding color theory and how light interacts (How the viewers eyes are lead and how to make colors come more alive).

While nicely rendered it is still a flat boring image with poorly conveyed action. I view the image as a render exercise that went well, not an overall good image (I doubt GW would want it on their products).

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I started filling color in Photoshop on this inking, but so far I'm not happy about how it's coming together. I'm not sure how to lay my hand on it to make it better. Any suggestions?

>>2310253
this is shit senpai ? why ?

>>2310761
Looks like a steelsky clouded day.
Try with some warmer colors in the shadows perhaps?

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anything glaring, construction wise before i start really getting into everything?

>>2310761
The beige-brownish wall across the middle could be made much darker. Might help break up the fact that you have mostly high values across the board.

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did a painting of catt. it's in oil.

>>2310795

>anything glaring?

Uh yes, the whole drawing I'm afraid. You have used zero construction and you lack both the skill in drawing form and anatomy. You're not good enough to draw completely without reference yet, but it's good that you try. You have chosen a challenging angle aswell. Lots of foreshortening going on. You need to establish the side and front plane, then define where the browline goes, and possibly add the centerline through the face for starters.

>>2310795
You need to work on your construction if this was constructed. His face looks like it is melting. The brow line sags, the zygomatic bones don't match, his jaw is small and twisted, his nose isn't a full form but a flat bottom plane that isn't even in perspective correctly, his head does not attach to the neck well, etc.

It's good that you are trying to do difficult angles, but it is a bit beyond your level. Either get some reference for this angle and fix it, or focus on getting the construction down for simpler angles first before moving on to this.

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sketcharooni
still working on making lineart more appealing

hard

I think ill paint this though have a good idea for the colors

>>2310797
Wow you are seriously obsessed

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and a few more

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some kind of aquatic vehicle

>>2310835
she's been so nice to me this past week :( I haven't made a new friend in years

>>2310905
here's your (you)

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Be gentle, it's my first time.

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>>2310641
m8, you have a problem with faces, every time, your body and design is dope, face is fucking trash, how the fuck you do faces so badly, well, because you go with different mindset I guess, paint them

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>>2309866

update

>>2310928
your face isnt that great either senpai.

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>>2310641
>>2310928
its alright, both are shit
also learn to draw before render

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.

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>>2310988
its alright, all three are shit
had a go at it, what do you guys think

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>>2311010
>>2310988
>>2310928
>>2310641
have you guys even heard of Loomis

>>2310901
>I haven't made a new friend in years
Maybe that's because you're a self absorbed arrogant prick.

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Trying draw from some big peace with a story, still working, would be happy for any advice or critique.

>>2311024
>trying to be this funny
it woulda been funny if you actually painted over.

>>2311033
>being stuck in the dark ages
do you even make use of the tools available to you?

>>2311038
what are you implying senpai, because youre not making any sense.

>>2311041
I use art to convey a message, the route I take along the way is not important, you would understand if you were artistic like me

>>2311049
lmfao, ok gramps. good luck getting good.

>>2311031
Values are all over the place, I'd suggest restarting the general idea in black and white on a very small scale, until that looks good and eye catching.

>>2311052
I am already good, very good, I make a six figure salary shooping pictures of celebrities for fake porn, what do you do?

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>>2310641
did a shitty paintover. it might help to try to stay close to the source material. like for instance you gave her a pointy chin, and in the reference she has a rounded jaw.

also you made her head small and her face scrunched in the middle of it. unless her hair is huge.

Forced joke, my initial paintover wasn't that bad :/

baka desu senpai

>>2311060
Retarded but the maplestory character is equally retarded, so good job I guess

>>2310870
Regarding the top right: You've got the right values, but they're too evenly blended. Metal is reflective therefore the light bouncing off of it will be sharp, not diffused. put near black next to white, light grey next to black. Contrast!

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First time painting on an ipad. From life, about 30 minutes. Used a regular stylus with no pressure sensitivy. It's pretty cool because it forces you to be more deliberate with your color choices and since you don't have a lot of precision you are have to simplify alot.

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looking for feedback on this sketch, pill me

>>2311031
Boring as fuck as it is. Composition is terrible, it doesnt convey scale, our main character legs are cropped, everything looks like it's are trying too hard to be in the shot, and the guy capturing the moment is trying hard to crop out of the picture whenever he can.
These four zombies at crotch level don't look menacing at all. They are too few, they are bellow the protagonist, overpowered by our heroes weapons but most important, they look uninterested about these humans.
Speaking of uninterested, nobody is going or looking in the right direction: The protagonist is in the middle of the shot looking to the right, zombies are coming from bottom right, looking left.
Also, it doesn't look like our protagonists are stuck. There are four weak zombies in front of them and plenty of space to run behind them. The crop is so tight we can barely understand the scenario. We know we are in some kind of forest on the border of snow forest and that's it.
It's also weird that we are in snow forest, yet our heroes don't have any clothes for this climate.

Poses are kind of boring as well, but fine I guess? The expression on his face is kind of blank? I think the biggest problem is still composition. Protagonist is left handed and is holding the katana wrong. He is going to die. Not because he is holding the katana wrong, but because he is a weeaboo.

Look more into composition and the rule of thirds.

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>>2310914
i'm sorry if i give this impression.

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>>2311156
any inputs?
I gotta clean up, detail and render this

>>2311211
Composition is kind of boring. What is he supposed to be doing? And his legs are twisted - his legs are front on while his upper torso is leaning to the right.

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The anatomy is off, not completely sure where though. (not counting the big hips/ass).

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I've had this idea in my head for a while which is an alien technology that is often boxy mixed with smaller elements of Giger esque curves. No displays or visible sensors but there would be many analogue switches and manual cranks and things that look like they're meant to be operated by something that's not human.

Its propulsion is based around these like, movable magnetic plates or something that suck in air between them, hyper pressurize it and then blast it out the other end.

Anyway, I'm just faffing about with some designs before I actually tackle the picture in mind

new thread?

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Today's life painting
Could use a little more time

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I'm trying to get better at this so if you could tear me a new one I'd greatly appreciate it.

>>2311211
What exactly is the point in rednering this? Is it for a larger illustration or is it concept art for a company?
its just such a weird picture to render.... I'd fix the hand. The clothing looks good. The actual gesture is pretty weird though. Its not incorrect but I just don't know why he'd have such a wide stance like that. He kind of looks like a rock star or something with the way his gesture is.

>>2310901
Of course she will be nice to you if she is your 'muse' but she isn't you're friend lmfao. In reality if she knew how much you've been drawing her she'd be a 'little' worried.

>>2310875
I'm not some kind of pro but I don't think it would have fire or w/e that is underwater.
Just make a bunch of bubbles

>>2310797
well it looks kinda neat, but you have glaring basic flaws that I just can't ignore. This was painted off a photograph, right? Cause the perspective distortion gets pretty ugly

>>2310676

It's hard to accept when you fuck up.

>>2311183

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

> rule of thirds

probably only piece of jargon you know to uselessly throw around.

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thoughts on this study? All I can see in everything I do is all the things I hate.

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>>2313352

>>2313352
So I have a problem eyeing proportions correctly.

>>2313194
Do you have better criticism to give? Feel free to give better suggestions than mine if you have any, otherwise stop being a faggot.

>>2309721
Dude, sick study. Blog?
Do you have any step by step images of how you did that? Any description would be helpful too