Beginner Thread

Looking up anatomy books, I hear Hampton has some good stuff, but he has several books to offer. Which is the best one to start off with?

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See if I made improvements

>>2297233
too big here's the link on imgur
http://imgur.com/a/4KaEg

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>>2297180
I traced about half of it because i didn't want to think.

>>2297262
Why did you cross that page out? It looks great man. Sure there's room for improvement but don't belittle your work or be too hard on yourself.

>>2297233
im not an expert but your chin is very off and i can;t understand where the light is coming from, from top and from the left i guess?

>>2297269
thx, also read my deep quote on the right, ignore nazi language

>>2297262
Don't trace, you will not get anything out of it

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>>2297279
ye i know. did this one today without, but i still used a ref.
i also made it red so its super spookyn shit

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i think this art is better to see how i do my doodles and everything. critique pls?

>>2297270
>chin is very off
I know I need to measure better

>>2297287
i enjoy the wing , but everything is off, you seem to have a slight understanding of the human body but it's not fully there, so i recommend you study anatomy a bit. i wanna say stop drawing with that anime sort of style for now, you should focus more on the basics before hashing out anything else

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>>2297287
ye looks gud anon but the neck is crooked thats all.

>>2297296
ye and i changed >>2297286 to 1667, and i saved it in png and i like to suck dicks

Newfag here (I've read the sticky).

I want to get into drawing as a hobby I'm primarily interested in digital art. What does /ic/ think about starting on tablets (I've been meaning to get one for my e-texts when I travel anyway so I'm thinking I might as well get a Wacom/other pen tablet), or should I be practicing on paper first? I do have some experience in freehand technical drawing on paper from my ChemE undergrad classes.

Also do I actually need that Lazy Nezumi mentioned in the comment section or is that just viral marketing?


I want to draw people, qts and space shit.

>>2297334

Also my current plan is fundamentals 1-2 years -> practice figures and anatomy --> Find an artist I like and steal his style.

Is this a valid approach?

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How did i fuck up so badly

>>2297334

I started on tablet, it's not necessarily going to kneecap you but having done it myself and then tried to emphasise traditional a bit more after half a year of it, I think I improved more quickly practicing traditionally.
Digital is very forgiving and gives you way more tools than you need to start. You'll probably be tempted to try and do paintings in color with blending and all that shit when you should focus on doing solid drawings, and digital doesn't really require you to think as hard because you can always fix problems.

That said, if you want to start digital you can, just try and do traditional alongside it. Just don't cheap out on a small tablet of any type. Get at least a medium.

>>2297346
Alright thank you for the advice.

>Just don't cheap out on a small tablet of any type. Get at least a medium.
What would you recommend if I have a decent budget?

>>2297343
this looks cool, its bad if you were going for a realistic face, if so
you're approaching it allll wrong

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>>2297334
>>2297336
My first attempt at the sticky exercise (only had a pen on me), aside from fucking in general the right hand where I got impatient is the most atrocious.

Revised plan: fundamentals 10-25 years -> practice figures and anatomy --> Find an artist I like and steal his style.

>>2297343

kek at those ears

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>>2297361
a challenger appears

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It's crooked and off but it was fun. Give me advice!

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sorry, wrong size!

that's a happy dog compared to the original nice drawing tho <3

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>>2297405
>>2297361
i also tried this practice but it started giving me a headache towards the end

>>2297425
Gibe dog head construction

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Elephant man guy

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Spent like 30 minutes, he looks a little chubby.

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Shirt on a plank of wood, criticism welcome. Think I'm getting better at shading

>>2297689
It's hard to say without a reference picture but it doesn't seem like you're pushing your values. Everything there is pretty much the same shade except for the shadow behind it.

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1/2

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>>2297709
..2/2

I could say I'm almost NEETing for couple months from now so I can really focus my mornings on drawing. Really try to push that 2-5 hours in every morning drawing and painting. I have taken an habit drawing quickposes every morning.

(These are the same pics posted in the "drawings past hour" thread)

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>drew picture im incredibly proud of
>scared to draw another because it will never be as good and ill never be as proud of it as the one i last drew
help

>>2297751
Give it some time. You'll realize how much more you could accomplish and move on to making something even better.

>>2297694

Yeah I should have taken a picture of it and posted it, will remember that for next time. The shirt itself is a darkish brown with a feint pattern and to me, appeared like it was all the same shade with subtle variation on the curves of the fabric and of course much darker in folds

Would it be better to treat the whole shirt as a being neutral in value rather than giving it a base shade of how dark its colour is? Or maybe I should just use a white piece of fabric in general.

>>2297751
Post the picture :^)

>>2297751
Once you've drawn more you'll get over this mentality. You might not think the next one is as good, but you WILL make something better if you keep drawing.

Is it bad if it took me an hour to draw Stravinsky upside-down?

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>>2297755
NO

>>2297753
>>2297757
Good point. Thanks lads.

Also I need a picture of a human looking all the way up ^ or all the way down v if anyone has one.

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>>2297759
like this

>>2297751

Don't worry anon, if you keep drawing then soon you'll be really embarrassed of that picture compared to your newest stuff and you'll wonder how you possibly thought it was good.

Even if there's a lot of garbage in between your good ones, they'll come.

>>2297759
Are you the same fag that was avatarposting in the last thread and also refusing to show the work ON THE GODDAMN BOARD ABOUT SHOWING WORK?

>>2297765
probly

>>2297767
Well stop. It's not funny or cute, it's obnoxious. Post your work or GIT OWT.

>>2297765
>ON THE GODDAMN BOARD ABOUT SHOWING WORK?
autism

>>2297770
>GIT OWT
autism

>>2297774
Don't you mean OWTism?

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A Goya study I did earlier today. Any advice?
I'm not the other anon, by the way.

>>2297343
What method are you using here? It's doesn't look very 3 dimensional. Try the Loomis method for heads.

>>2297759
>be proud of something
>refuse to show it


get the fuck out you avatarfagging piece of shit

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fuck, im garbage. help me please

>>2297815
Practise likeness. She looks way older in your drawing compared to the ref

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>>2297782
Suppose I should post the ref.

>>2297819
>Practice likeness.
what is that?

>>2297819
>likeness
We might not share the same idea of likeness, what do you mean by that? Would you find it to be synonymous to accuracy?

>>2297819
I dont know, but arent those folks who only study likeness drawing the cringy types who can only do pencil drawings of celebrities?

>>2297823
I think he means taking note of an individual's unique facial features to make your drawing look like that particular person.

>>2297815
In this pic the face needs to be a lot rounder and the eyebrows longer and thinner for example. The face seems to be a bit simplified, so it loses the girl's likeness.

>>2297782
The values of the cloth and the face look pretty much the same in your drawing whereas goya made the face and hands contrast a lot more in his painting. Also try to make a simple shape when shading around the figure because the awkward ovoid dark shape is actually the first thing we see when we look at the picture. Use a bigger tool If you don't want to use too much of your pencil. Basically try to look at your picture from far away and see if it looks like your reference. Worry about the details later.

>>2297851
Thanks, I see what you mean. I need to get one of those Lyra graphite sticks or something.

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Trying to get better at figure drawing.

>>2297860

I'm pretty terrible at figure drawing but I think you are polishing a turd here. Quantity > quality for learning this kind of stuff

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>>2297782
How's this? Does the cloth still need to be darker?

>>2297765
>>2297814
>avatarfagging
Why does nobody know what this means anymore?

>>2297343
Symbol drawing motherfucker. Im fighting it too.

Its better than I thought it would be after months of a break.
Also posting sketches I like back from April.

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Just spent an hour drawing something and I'm not even near close to finished

how to draw faster? this always happens to me for some reason.

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>>2297945

>>2297961
I draw slow too anon, I did learn to compensate for it by drawing 20/7 instead :^)

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>>2297962
And this

>>2297903
>On a Critique
>In a beginner thread about Critique
>Talks about work
>Not posting it

Why do people like this exists? It's obvious this guy has zero friends and comes here for any kind of attention. I don't understand how people get this pathetic.

>>2297970
Probably best not to let it bother you this much.

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First day of business, how many years will it take me to become solid 5/10 material?

>>2298006
prolly less than a year if you're disciplined enough. But most people aren't particularly disciplined.

Have you read the sticky?

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Not finished, but would appreciate comments.

>>2297214
Anyone?

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>>2298012
I'm going through the motions. Not sure how disciplined I will be in a couple of months, but at least I can try.

>>2298014

black guys really are well endowed as everyone says they are; pump those guys up

>Been doing gesture drawings for so long
>Can't grasp the "gesture"
>Finally something clicked, how finding the motion makes sense as I draw

Proko and Vilppu combo makes everything right.

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First colour pencil render

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>>2298060
>>2298061
Dude, were the responses to the 10 other times you posted these not enough? You're using photo-reference but still not getting the proportions right because you have one of the worst cases of symbol drawing I've ever seen. Look at those tiny forearms and hands, look at Yoda's head and how almost every feature fails the test of symmetry and seems to jut out at the wrong angle. Look at the size of Cranston's eyes, the values around his facial hair, slightly protruding lower lip, the position of the highlights around his head. You drew from your imagination even while looking directly at the reference because the accuracy just isn't there. You need to break out of symbol drawing last year. Keep practicing. Your colors are better than mine and I can't help you there.

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How do I into hand contours?

>>2298076
Draw your own, over and over again, moving the light source each time.

>>2298076
Build up the hand using proper construction. Try making up the hand's form out of boxes and add contour onto that.

>>2298076
Fingers are thicker than that. Don't be afraid to have forms overlap instead of trying to cram spaced fingers where there is no room.

>>2298076
>(George Bridgman) The Book of a Hundred Hands

get the book in the drawthread and literally copy some of the less crazy hands there, do a page every day. then trying to apply what you have learned from those to drawing hands from photo refs/your non drawing hand too. (could do half page of copied stuff, half of yours, but the more you do, the better)
do this for a week and youll be based hand drawer

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Is it possible to comprehend a feeling of perspective in this picture or did I muck up everything?

>>2297860
>>2297871
Any advice on how to improve? I start with the gesture, block in the forms, and then try to refine the contours. That drawing is kinda sloppy cause all the under drawing is still visible and I just slapped color on it but I understand what you're saying.

Do you guys think it's just about mileage at this point? Should I keep doing more of these until I improve?

I have a really hard time drawing the lower legs. I watched the Vilppu video a number of times and I'm still having trouble drawing it. Anyway easy way to draw it?

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no flamerinos

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memes are always the hardest to draw

>>2297425

I love this kind of drawing

What's a good figure drawing study to look up that highlights the anatomy often?

>>2298308
Vilppu and LOOMIS.

Where would one find a good quality model skull?

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>such draw, much amaze, very markers
>wow

this one was fun! too bad he looks more like a bear...

>>2298308
Der Nackte Mensch by G. Bammes, maybe?

About:

http://www.parkablogs.com/content/book-review-complete-guide-life-drawing-gottfried-bammes

Link to download the book (German):

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:694c24f2599cbb38e9191d76507e18cbf37953da&dn=der+nackte+mensch+by+gottfried+bammes&tr=http%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fglotorrents.pw%3A6969%2Fannounce

>>2298138

>Should I keep doing more of these until I improve?

Yes and watch some videos on figure drawing. The Vilppu videos on gesture drawing helped me greatly. I just think you are wasting time 'refining' the contours and it looks very messy and scribbled. I'd tell you to use the side of the pencil but seems hows its digital, I guess decrease opacity and increase the size of the brush? Aim for smoother lines and forms like you've done on the right side of the thigh, rather than the chicken scratching.

The torso makes no sense too, really try to pay attention to each limb/body part in relation to the others

>>2298341

https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/collection/california-academy-of-sciences

For animals. For humans I'm sure you could just do a simple google search and set the size to large. Making them black and white in photoshop helps a lot too I find

>>2298310
I've always avoided Loomis simply because I thought he was too difficult. I know I've been told to look up Figure Drawing for all it's worth, but I'm currently reading up on Bridgman Drawing from Life. Is it okay to read up both books? Or just finish one, then move onto Loomis?

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>Am I retarded?
Evidently, yes; I forgot to select my image.

I can't even get some face shading right. Help would be greatly appreciated.

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FFFFFFFFF......
What shading tutorial can you recommend?

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muddy as fuck

>>2298652
>>2298672
It's all about hard and soft edges.
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/hard-and-soft-shadow-edges

>>2298677
Thank you, good sir

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Opinion?

>>2298686
too big, nobody give opinions before he resizes.

>>2298034
This. As they say in my country, "Prep the bull!"

>>2298677
Thanks from the other guy too.

>>2298672
I don't know why or what that is but I like it.

>>2298648
I'd recommend Loomis, honestly. It depends on who and where you are, but I'd imagine that if you click with Bridgeman (I'm not sure about Drawing from Life, I only own Constructive Anatomy) and get over the initial hump of "oh god my studies look like shit do I go or stay and do another" you'll be better for it.

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i tried

>>2298724
I really don't think you did

>>2297751
Don't think like that, anon. Your post indicates that you don't think you'll ever improve, but you will. If you stick at it and keep drawing, you'll one day be making art that will put your current work to shame.

>>2298725
ouch

>>2298724
no

>>2297774
Are you people completely incapable of grasping exaggeration for a joke?

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https://www.instagram.com/captinhazmat/ this has been my attempts at keys to drawing and other shit in the last few months.

i feel like im not getting any better and possibly going through the book wrong. if thats possible even.

where should i backtrack to and how slow should i go? everything is flat and out of place and i can bring my self to pick up the pencil now let alone draw for 3 hours.

do i just grind out drawing from life/photos and ask for critiques? at least for a good while before trying vilppu and or loomis guidelines?

>>2298505
Alright cool. I'm working through Loomis right now so I guess I'll keep doing it. Thanks anon.

>>2298507

Thanks mate. I was hoping a model wouldn't be too hard to find- was hoping to hit it with lights to get in on the whole 'draw from life thing.'

>>2298784
Physical anatomical model or 3D sculpt?

>>2298677
This seems like some good information. Can this apply to drawing with pencil?

Shading is probably the thing I'm least best at when it comes to drawing.

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>>2298761
>https://www.instagram.com/captinhazmat/
Look like you can't manage to stay focused on your subject and go all-wild on it due to lack of patience. Which is precisely my problem.

I must say your ellipses look better than mines.

>>2298801
I'm not that good so take this advice with a grain of salt. I'm pretty sure it applies to rendering with a pencil too since hard and soft edges aren't exclusivey digital. They're used to help you better understand the form and its relation to the environment and you can easily observe them all around you.

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Me when I try to post art on 4chan

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attempt at colors

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What are some good nooks/resources on drawing expressions? Preferably of the cartoonish variety.

I'm getting really burned out on dead-eyed doll heads

>>2298832
>books

>>2298832
Not cartoony, but Peck's anatomy has a pretty large section on facial expressions.

how do you stop the feeling of wanting to kill yourself every time you fuck up a drawing

>>2298839
Forgive yourself, be patient with yourself and your drawing, and try again until you don't hate yourself so intensely.

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>>2298724

Put down the colors for a bit, focus constructing it better and suggesting form with value.

Am I stupid or is Loomis really hard?

>>2298889
Where in Loomis are you, anon? Unless you can't draw cylinders, cubes and all the other primitive shapes, you can do it, keep pushing through that shit senpai.

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Anyone else have trouble doing skull studies? At least I'm slowly getting the hang of where things should be. Sorry for low quality, picked up these pencils at a convenience store and they're HB. I thought they were regular #2 pencils and have been struggling with them since. Also cell phone quality etc.

>>2298889
Personally, I was unhappy with most of my stuff that I'm just going back to the very beginnings (Loomis included) to get a proper grasp of the basics. Went to digital too early and everything just became more and more retarded for me til' I just stopped drawing altogether. Sitting here doing faces, poses and shapes. Feelsgoodman.jpg to see I'm not as dysfunctional as I thought, but still a while to go. Loomis is not too bad so far, same question as the other anon, what part are you having trouble with?

>>2298895
>>2298906
Maybe I'm just horribly misunderstanding something. I use the "ball and plane method" to make a head and position everything properly, and then I'm left with a featureless head aside from that. I thought part of it was ending up with some bone structure?

>>2297815
I think her head is too big, herr head being so small in proportion to the hat kinda shows how young she is. I think she also looks a bit more to the right in the ref, or at least she has her head turned a bit.

>>2298889
His head construction is kinda shitty.
You might be better off just learning the proportions and planes from Hampton (basically Loomis, but clearer imo) and learn to apply them to spheres and boxes.

Huston is also great for heads, but he doesn't spell things out for you.

>>2298673
could be muddier! you are at least using a hard brush with low opacity instead of soft one.

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I want to start doing one study for 3hrs every day.
This is my second one, first one was like 2 weeks ago.

Is studying drawing the human anatomy really that important? Drawing mannequins in different positions seem boring to me. tips?

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>>2299002

>>2299004
>>2299002
god, now I am seeing how bad I did.

>>2299002
>Is studying drawing the human anatomy really that important? Drawing mannequins in different positions seem boring to me. tips?

It would have helped you in this case. Having a good layin is important, if you'd had a mannequin I feel like his face wouldn't have creeped out to be so wide.

Anatomy knowledge is also crazy important the second you stop doing direct photostudies / observational drawings. If you're trying to do anything from imagination you need a basis, and knowing anatomy gives you the foundation to build on.

That said your study's pretty good besides it going too wide.

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This is my first time drawing realistically, since all I've drawn in the past is anime and landscapes. How does the profile look?

>>2299014
Still looks like anime.

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Obviously not done, but hoping for some feedback. I don't really have any clue what I'm doing, so I'm just drawing random shit and hoping it looks good. Any advice for this pic at least?

>>2298713
Thanks for the insight. I'm enjoying these study books, as I'm also reviewing Proko's vids before moving to Vilppu. I know a lot of figure drawing vids always bring up anatomy, which I know nothing about, but I'm hoping Loomis or whatever gives me more insight.

In the end, I feel like I can't go wrong with either book, I just don't want "too much" info all at once. Does that make sense? I dunno, I could just be worried about a problem that may not even exists. I never mind extra work.

>>2297751

Change how you feel about what you make. If you're using a sketchbook, give yourself some time to say "Yea, that's cool!" Then after a few minutes, turn the page and start on the next piece.

If you like a particular element of the previous image, move it forward to the next page. Just do something different with it, color, view, etc etc.

Don't get caught up on failures, and don't get caught on success either. Just draw.

I consider timed gestures easily the most infuriating and unpleasant exercise in drawing for me. I've tried on a dozen occasions to try and make a habit of doing it but it seriously just makes he hate drawing every time I do them.

Is not bothering with timed figure drawing fine? Are there alternatives that can help you practice similar skills?

>>2299020
I saw this and thought "oh how lame, someone's doing a muscle study off of Frylock, a character from a trademarked IP."

Then I realized you were drawing Groot.

Now I wish it was a Frylock muscle study instead of capeshit fanart. It would be much cooler.

anyway, try to think more about how the main forms turn and how you can show that with corresponding bends or kinks in your lines. right now you're achieving texture by making your lines scribbly, but I don't think you understand why that works.

>>2298076
CRYSTAL TREATMENT

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>>2299014
Keep at it faggot

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>>2299081
compr (ess) my bad

Here's a pic since im reposting anyway.

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>>2298685

>>2299086
dont take this redline too seriously, hes a beginner just like you are

>>2299089

Every correction he made still improved the piece. You didn't say anything except "ignore that guy"
What did he do wrong in his corrections?

This image is NOT my work.

Can someone with some digital experience tell me how this was colored? Is it basically just a soft round brush with layers slathered on each other?

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>>2299093
Whoops

Again, not my pic

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>>2299091
everytime time i dont go over line by line and decide to free deform this happens, bad artists try to intervene because they dont understand.

Im not the best though, i do agree, so please do redline me buddy.

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>>2297180
I never know where to start, even if I spend years sighting proportions become off somehow.
Could just be lack of practice tho

>>2299091

there are some red lines there and some features are moved around, it doesn't look better. there's no deconstruction of the linework, there's nothing said or changed about the values (which are fucked to hell), it's useless

>>2299108
you wanted me to redo everything didnt you? I (redliner) garantee all the changes i made were correct and made the picture better, also, i did mention the most important part of values, which is to not use pure white. Honestly no point in overwhelming someone by redrawing everything. might as well link a picture at that point,

>>2299113
you mae it look better but he wont learn shit for you just moving stuff around! you need to shoe people the underlying construction so they understand why you changed it the way you did.

>>2299113
Ayo. Would you change anything on mine? Admittedly I feel I need less guidance than the others but a look would be appreciated, doc.

>>2298652

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I don't have any idea of what I'm doing and I don't know how to form a proper study schedule or "how" to study for that matter

just feels like I'm going aimlessly.

>>2299142

Start with the sticky if you haven't, you know. Loomis etc.

You don't need an involved schedule. Schuduling your studies can help once you know your strengths and weaknesses, but to start with just start drawing. Do some of the exercises in fun with a pencil, watch some proko tutorials because they're really accessible to beginners. Do that stuff. As you go, analyze what you're doing and find what you're doing wrong. Set your goals based on what you're weak at, and what people say you're weak at in threads like this.

>>2299115
i dunno man, i wrote it down. I think that counts for something.

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>>2299130
I assumed a very slightly downward direction on the head on the redline so take into account that everything is slightly shifted downwards. you need to make sure your lines of symmetry are on point from now on, these are very easy to pick up mistakes. Simply draw lines from one side drag them to the other, if the lines arent roughly the same angle, fix the features.

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>>2299167
woops, the eye in the redline thats extending is a little too high still, my bad.
Slightly better correction.

>>2299167
>>2299173
Thanks much.

>>2299173
git gud faggot

you arent a licenced redliner

>>2299190
you're acting as if you need a pro to give a newcomer direction. I believe they benefit from it, if not, redline my redline and ill benefit from it.

>2297961
its better not to think about drawing faster.
taking time will make your art better in the long run.

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How long until I can say I can draw?

The chest and tits just look wrong, front arm's bicep looks too fat as well as back thigh. I can;t do hair and face is bleh.

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>>2299303
refference

>>2299303
maybe another year and you can confidently say it if you practice an hour a day,

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Trying to study armor because I love knights. Did I push the values too hard? I find that high contrast makes the armor look nice and shiny but I worry I'm being a little too liberal with it.

>>2299190
Lol. Looks fine to me with the correction tho.

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>>2297287
>>2297293
Really? Because it's the wing that I really don't like

>>2299093
>>2299095
Soft round brush and an over-use of dodge tool in PS? Looks pretty bad because of that though, and I wouldn't suggest mimicking it

>>2299321
I guess in a photo study it'd be better to try to stay a little more true to the values you're trying to understand, but as a picture it doesn't look bad. Cool stuff.

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did this just yesterday, I think im getting this down finally, If your wondering why its blue and purple, I didn't have any pencils with me.

how do i lineart
AAAAAAAAAA

>>2299437
There is some good source material to learn how to deal with values?

>>2299454
yes

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>>2299450
and the ref

>>2299454
There is

>>2299455
>>2299458

Care to tell me some sources?

>>2299459
Sure

>>2299460
Thank you. I will seat here and wait them :)

>>2299450
Your proportions are pretty fucked up. Her hip / legs are super tiny in comparison to her torso. The left arm is also very small.

>>2299456
>roberto manzano

Anymore of his work but in high res?

>>2298389
I like it. I like it a lot! Practising values still?

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help

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h-help tw eyestrain

>>2299462
Yeah hard to draw in near darkness, should redraw it
>>2299474
sorry no m8

>>2299014
no it isn't.

>>2299565
lol what? It looks like it is...

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Halp. I cant draw side faces for all its fucking worth, this is a really old drawing, though Im still shit

>>2299104
Any advice?

>>2299573
Try to learn how to draw from life before learning to draw from imagination, helps a lot i think. Keys to Drawing/Drawing on the Right Side

What's a good beginner book on how to draw animals?

>>2299600
look up sight-size and bargues. I swear to god, take a few months and spend a couple hours a day to make sure you get 'em right, and your proportion measuring will dramatically increase. It will be arduous, but super worth it if you don't phone it in.

I know Peter Han's recommended practicing his dynamic sketching stuff using those felt pens but is there any alternative to this?

These pens I'm using aren't too expensive but I don't really think blazing through these drawing lines will be cheap in the long run.

>>2299657
You want something that doesn't make any depressions in the paper when you write with it. Obviously ballpoints are out of the question, but anything with a good flow that you don't need to press hard for should work.

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Thoughts?

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if im pretty sure im not good enough to unfuck it, do I finish it?

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Currently going through Bridgman and I was wondering how much knowledge I should have beforehand. It seems like he went from "start with a line and make the body" to "now that you can draw a line, these are interlocking forms and they flow together." I'm going to keep at it because I think I'm starting to see, but any help is welcome.

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The face is especially a trainwreck, sorry. Any tips greatly appreciated on anything though.

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Don't worry about the hair and hands - working on those trainwrecks already, but would appreciate any critique about anatomy and/or pose ( I also suck at expressions but practice makes perfect). My long term goals are to draw more lewd things

how do I actually study anatomy? I've read loomis and keys but I feel like copying (whether from life, or not) is not as effective as some other method I haven't worked out.

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>>2299695
Reference is here, took some liberties on the booty and bust too

>>2299695
You completely lost the sexy s-curve in the waist and back. Her back is literally a rectangle. Rectangles aren't sexy.

>>2299695
>>2299703
You are drawing what you think you know and not what you see
Stop symbol drawing

>>2299691
the face is kill, but damn does the suit has some nice volume to it!

>>2299709
>>2299710
Should I go back to gesture drawing to fix that? I can see what you mean, usually when I draw from references I use blocky shapes to make up my base. Will try and fix and repost anons, thanks for quick replies

>>2299321
That arm is tiny

>>2299714
Yes, try practicing some more gestures
Try to watch were the shoulder/armpit is and your arm width

What time interval should I use on gesture drawing as a scrub?

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Someone plz help me.

i was doing just fine 2 weeks ago but when i got back into it my style deteriorated and i want to know what was the flaw in the new one from the old one
thanks

>>2299774
her boobs for one are facing the opposite direction of were the rest of her body is
also considering that the rest is your "style", that's something you have to keep drawing at and get back in the swing of things, it's a personal issue

I hate being a beginner so much. How come I wasn't one of those talented kids who grasped their fundamentals back in high school and are now at the level I want to be at but they're years younger than me?
I know where I want to be, and I know I have to work hard to get there, but meanwhile I get to stay stuck hating everything I draw. Is this seriously worth it? What the fuck am I doing?

>>2299829
Just give it a try and see where you go.

>>2299829
those talented kids probably drew a lot. Just suck it up and keep drawing mate.

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Working on skulls. Drew these after watching a few tutorials by Alfonso Dunn and Drawing with Jazza

>>2299850

You seem to be only referring to your constructions lines on one half of the skull? Carry it across so the features line up. Look how uneven the eyes are on the top right one, if you continued those constructions lines they would look close to identical

>>2299695
stiff as a board

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Been following Noah's Art Camp thing for a few days, really avoided doing master studies but I'm really getting into them now. How are they looking?

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>>2299877

>>2299854

Yeah, I'm just really starting. Do you have any advice?

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>>2299878

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>>2297180
Hows the line weight and shading

>>2299620
Thanks a lot! I'll do that when I come home!

>>2299881
do I smell some Frazetta in there?

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is there some inking guide for beginners?
the only guide I know is from drawabox

I have a horrendous habit of drawing, especially on tablets
>constantly using ctrl z
>messy and ugly
pic related

>>2299954
also I want to go traditional first and then digital

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Today I tried to focus on trying to give perspective and make them not stiff
Honestly I feel proud, I feel like the face is where it should be

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im reading keys to drawing

>>2299611
Anyone know? Basically a book that goes into the gesture / anatomy of an animal.

>>2300013
subscribed

>>2299956
You should read Drawing Right side of the Brain or Keys to drawing. Symbol drawing habits are in there, and your heads are way off (displaying the whole "no skull" head most beginners go through).

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Does anyone know any good books on drawing where you are constructing the face out of 3d objects. I'm currently reading Loomis, but how he does faces look wrong to me like the anatomy is off, but I can't tell.

But, I need a approach that is just building the stuff from geometric shapes like Loomis.

Also, can you post zbrush sculpts here.

All I want to do is sculpt Berserk characters.

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>>2297180
I need advice/critique, what should I practice most?

>>2300062

>>>/3/

>>2300072

/3/ is worse than /ic/.

>>2300080
Who cares if it's worse? It's the correct board.

>>2300062
lol that chin.

>>2300067
fundamentals kiddo.

>>2299774
both garbo, loomis

>>2300019
105 pages in

been reading it for about 5 months. im very neet and very lazy though.

>>2299953
Very close, Jeff Jones, a contemporary in that era of fantasy illustrators. I like their work better.

What's the best way to practice drawing anatomy from imagination, and checking to see if you're correct?

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How do I make this shit look nice.
Plague knight from shovel knight.

>>2299687
Copy him over and over, then look at stuff and try to apply interlocking forms. Bridgman is kinda 0-60 in one second, but if you slam your head against it for a year you'll eventually get it.

>>2300263
>Copy him over and over, then look at stuff and try to apply interlocking forms

How do you know if his methods are working? What's the best way to apply his teachings?

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>>2299450
>>2299456

oh hey I did a value study of this one recently as well

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feeling a bit burnt out after doing 100 figures non stop over 2 weeks

>>2300325
Why would you even do that? Did you do any from imagination? Why did you not change up the length of time spent on each or the technique? Why not draw any heads properly? Why did you include the muscles on each one? Why didn't you do other exercises? I feel this isn't the best way to study, and the fact that you feel burnt out just proves it. This feel like mindless grinding more than a thought out approach with reflection and pushing yourself.

>>2300327
sounds like youre hating.

>>2300333
sounds like you're retarded

>>2300191
Oh, well they look really nice! Planing on taking any of them further?

>>2300327

Seeing as his figures are quite good and he was obviously trying to draw the muscles on each one I really doubt it was mindless. It takes a fair bit of thought to do it that way unless his references all had them clearly defined and if you don't understand the reason someone would benefit from understanding muscles you shouldn't be commenting at all. I think he did a very good job of it, not really sure what got you so fucking worked up over it.

That said, to the guy that did them, if you're feeling burnt out switch it up. They're all quite good but I don't see any radical change in quality between any of them so I think you already understand it just fine.

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This is how my heads look like after 1 week. Thoughts? Tear me a new one.

The old geezer is obv reference, rest isnt.

>>2300359
Quite phenomenal for one week. There's still a lot of small errors and things, but you seem on the right track. I would just keep drawing from reference and imagination. I would also maybe spend some time familiarizing yourself with the structure of the eyeball/eyelights/eye socket more.

>>2300345
The exercise is just the thumbnails in 4 values, a study of shapes and composition. I'm working up to a full master study though.

>50 Value Comps
>50 Color Studies
>3 Master studies finished

if you want to follow along.

Need some halp in regards to what to work on when beginning. I've been drawing for about 2 months now, and I feel like I'm at a bit of a standstill. I've jumped around from book to book and resource to resource, never really completing anything. Still can't draw faces, for example. Or hands or feet. I gave Fun with a Pencil a try for a few pages of exercises but it felt like I was just drawing and not really understanding. I've been drawing figures and gestures every day for over a month, but I need a reality check. Do I go back to a beginner book, suck it up and go through the books mentioned in the sticky one by one before becoming adventurous?

>>2300259
By coloring

>>2300374

Different guy than him but every time I try and color it looks considerably worse than if I do it just in greyscale.

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>>2299476

Something about the Rhino looks off to me, though I can't pin it since I know shit all about Rhino anatomy. I think the head would be lower, they normally seem to have a hump above their heads that's visible from most angles. And his shoulder would ease into that a little more easily than it appears to in your sketch.

>>2300398
Yeah because you don't know how to color yet. But if you still paint without color you will never learn. Do some studies or tutorial. It's good to learn value but if you want a nicer look try colors.

>>2300363
Thank you, I will definitely keep drawing as much as I can.
Mind pointing out what exactly is wrong? They all look hella off.

>>2300282
Anyone know how to answer this question when it comes to Bridgman studies?

>>2300429
Just keep going, dude. Draw from reference a shitton, but familiarize yourself with drawing from imagination because it's not only good exercise, but it will help you achieve what your goals probably are.

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>>2300404
your rhino has a straight line for a back and his head above that line, and that is not how rhinos look. they are slimmer as well. Copy some pictures of rhinos to get how they are built

>>2300367
I just might. You post your stuff somewhere?

>>2300431
Sorry to sound completely ignorant on the subject, but how does one practice from imagination? I'm following through Bridgman's book, and it's neat, but how do I know what he's teaching is working?

I don't really question it, I just assume I'm learning as I draw and read. But how do I figure out if said methods are working?

>>2300441
There's no knowing, you just assume it's working and look back on your previous work and note improvements. As far as practising from imagination goes, it's something you just do, if you're not familiar with human proportions you may not be ready for drawing from imagination. A warning, my shitty advice is more general than anything, I'm not sure about bridgeman's guide to life drawing.

>>2300464
Your advice is giving me some insight, so I appreciate the feedback. It is helping.

For a year now I've been strictly fundamentals, and luckily I never feel burned out (I kind of like the subjects). But sometimes I question if said methods are working. I can never tell since I'm not sure how to apply them to anything.

The one comment that got me confused is when this anon stated:
>Copy him over and over, then look at stuff and try to apply interlocking forms

Does that mean, copy the same page over and over till you understand "interlocking"? I'm not sure if I do or don't understand. I mean, it isn't confusing, so I'm assuming I understand, but how do I know if I do? In this case, I suppose I keep going, huh?

>>2300441

The only way to do it is to do it, really.
You draw from imagination, find out where your visual library is flawed, consult reference and try to remember it, rinse and repeat.

Understanding construction is important, knowing basic shapes so you can create something from your mind with consistency and then if you need a reference for details it's not a big deal.

You will steadily grow your mental library just drawing from reference, but if you really want to cultivate drawing from imagination you need to do it regularly, even if it's challenging and your drawings look worse. It'll force you to think and try to remember, which in turn will help you memorize.

When it comes to people (and everything but I'll use people as an example) it's important to know the underlying 'rules'. If you know all your anatomy, which bones/muscles go where, how they work, etc, you can apply those 'rules' to any drawing of a person from imagination. If you don't understand anatomy, it will end up looking weird.

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>>2300374
Yeah, coloring does help - but I'm specifically trying to focus on B&W right now with these, since I usually paint straight-on with colors.
I just find difficulty in making something as cartoony/stylized pop in B&W, and would like advice on it.

>>2300474
Push values. B&W pops a lot when there's heavy contrast between the lights and darks.

>>2300472
If you feel like you grasp the concepts and aren't confused on that page, go on to the next one, don't worry anon. I'd also advise you to not go backwards in the book too often unless you genuinely think you're missing something essential after pushing forwards. By "look at stuff and try to apply interlocking forms" he basically means look at things and try to recognize the shapes and lines you'd use to represent it and the forms interlock, or just straight up draw from observation/ref. If you've ever seen something IRL and kinda had lines and visual shorthand/form flash over it, that's basically it.

>>2299099

Those brushes are too advanced for you.

Paint with the default hard round brush on a separate layer to your line work, that way you can refer back to it to see where you're going over the lines.

>>2297961
like an hour sketching or an hour for a finished piece?

>>2300481
>By "look at stuff and try to apply interlocking forms" he basically means look at things and try to recognize the shapes and lines you'd use to represent it and the forms interlock, or just straight up draw from observation/ref

Ah, okay. That's basically what I thought was being said. Thanks for verifying. I'll continue on with the book, but I also had the intentions of going back into the book once I'm completed. Of course, I'll be look over Loomis and Hampton as well once I get further into the Bridgman book, in hopes it all comes together.

>>2300433
only here, tumblr got too distracting. You'll probably see my stuff.

>>2297961
"Drawing fast" isn't really how quickly you move physically, it's more having to do with being more efficient. When the process of drawing becomes more and more intuitive, you'll find yourself able to breeze though the initial composing and construction of an image. You're not agonizing over why the perspective looks weird or why the features of the face look lopsided, you've established the fundamentals and can focus on the work flow rather than going back and fixing mistakes.

try this:

>Start a drawing, can be anything, but I'd suggest an object as you can easily compare drawings and track improvement.
>Time yourself, there are tons of stopwatch apps, look them up. Don't try to rush or beat a goal, the object of this exercise is to get an accurate measure of how much time you take.
>Finish it to the best of your ability, if you're wondering if you done, you're not done. Get another d/ic/k to look at it if you're really not sure.
>Record your time
>Draw from life everyday as it gives you instant feedback to what you did right and wrong.
>Review this activity in 3-6 months. You'll find that you'll be much more efficient with your drawing and thus "faster"

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crit my shit senpai

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>>2300482
there is no flat round on sai, i wish there was, i really do, this is the simplest brush i have found. Makes me want to kill myself. I hate round flat though.

This is where i gave up for reference.

>>2300548
value range 3 small

>>2300577
no flat hard full no texture brush* or at least no oval directional brush*

>>2300577
o not ever attempt to redline somebobies work again

>>2300581
its not because i cant paint that i cant draw lines over someone idiot, redline me the sketch if you feel confident.

>>2300583
you cant paint nor draw

>>2300585
redline me my sketch if you feel so confident, or post your own work

>>2300585
How about you offer some actual critique you goddamn mong.

>>2300596
id rather he post his work so i can laugh back at him. I UNDERSTAND that i'm not the best artist, but he should also understand that i'm totally qualified to give beginners direction, especially since no one else is doing it. If he posts his art, i'll make sure to redline him just to spite him.

>>2300600
>i'm totally qualified to give beginners direction

Why dont you go ahead and help out peuple with their doge-man drawings?

>>2300605
they can overlay the drawings with the actual thing. People drawing from their imagination are completely trapped within not knowing. Just like, if i had a perfect reference for what i want to achieve, I probably wouldn't be doing so badly.

Also, still refusing to post your art/redline me

>>2300608
Ill also add they can just get their histograms out and compare the value spikes, so even writing that out is mostly a waste of time.

>>2300608
By overlaying your work you only see that you didnt get the proportions righ, but it doesent tell you anything about what you should do in order to imrpove your work.

>>2300577

I don't know sai.

Dude, just pirate photoshop like everyone else. Don't worry the FBI ain't gonna take you away.

Paying for photoshop licences is for companies, hence the price tag.

>>2300612
can you give me a feedback example? I fail to see any meaningful direction I could give to help someone 1:1 proportions/ Ace values.

But nice job completely side tracking these 3 points:

A: You dont need to be pro to help new artists
B:Show your work or redline me
C: I choose to give feedback to what I want and theres nothing inherently wrong with that.

>>2300577

Hang on a sec. Why can't you just use the brush you used for the sketch?

Or is it not your sketch?

>>2300617
the brush i used was marker, I can color with marker at a (barely) higher level but it has this problem where it doesnt give you actual value, it gives you the value based on opacity instead, like black at 50% instead of mid gray, also, I REALLY want to color with flat brushes, I just want it to be my main brush type. I'll learn photoshop I guess.... Literally already have it on my computer just didnt want to learn it.

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>>2300577
>there is no flat round in sai
what

>>2300621

Learn it then. There's literally no reason not to. It's not even hard if you're just painting.

NEW THREAD:


>>2300633


>>2300633


>>2300633

>>2300629
i meant a flat circle ( oval) that is directional and doesnt contain texture. my bad.

>>2300634
thank god for new thread im released form investigation, but i still want that one guy to show me his work.

>>2300631
I guess ill have to.

>>2300635

You shouldn't be using directional or oval brushes yet either.

You're trying to run before you can walk.

Use a brush that's literally just a circle.

>>2300645
they feel terrible though :(
ok.

>>2300655

They feel terrible because instead of learning how to paint you're relying on the brush to do all the work for you.

You should be able to make a decent painting with crayons if need be.

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what do you think?