Beginner Thread

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First for gains goblins

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trying out odd styles

>>2292271
most of them look fine for beginner level but the one on the right - you really need to work on the proportions. Good work!

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>>2292284
Took me months to get to lvl one. its a slow burn but im in no rush, im doing this for fun.

>>2292313
are you studying anyone ? like loomis or vilpuu ? with the approach you take i'd recommend vilpuu

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If I wish hard enough I can be cool like exitmothership

that being said, anything I should focus on fixing

>>2292354
I've been studying villpu and have read loomis's introductory how to draw.

>>2292278
no

>>2292278
did you color fill it on the same layer? there are theses awkward white spots here and there. Also, and you've probably heard this a lot, but you're chicken scratching the lines on the ellipsis it seems. Remember, straight lines push away from the body, ellipsis pull toward. it makes your straight lines straighter and your curves a little more accurate. If i were you I would have taken the line work, put it on another layer, increased the brush size and inked it to remove the scratching

other then that, there's a certain potential in this, if you were to take some extra steps and polish, you could have something vibrant and fun

>>2292313
vilpuu is good, try adding on anatomy and perspective to your study, it'll help balance out the areas of proportion

>>2292362
I just kind of awkwardly splashed colours on - I wasn't trying to fill it in per se, just get down the colours for future ref.
Also thank you! I have heard it but it helps to hear it again.

>>2292392
No problem! best of luck on your next adventures

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its pepe in a cosy blanket

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>>2292313
proportions, never overrated

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How do I draw better faces? I'm following loomis but I still can't get it to look like a actual person's face. And he's too hard to follow for a total beginner

>>2292476
Yeah, I started off with Loomis too as the Sticky suggests, however after finding it difficult I was recommended Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson which I'm getting on quite well with right now.

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Here we go! Im quite new to using markers, so any help would be mostly appreciated!

(around 30min)

>>2292476
loomis is a good book and have great references but sometimes it's not very didactic, you should try hampton's book, he doesn't have a very realistic drawings but it's easy to understand how he aproach the construction of the head.

>>2292506
Not bad for an early attempt. Honestly you just need mileage--do lots more studies and drawings with markers.

>>2291860
I'm actually curious to understand how he simplified those faces. It's obvious, outside the focal point, he did very simple structure before hand, then went into shading. However, I wonder how the image looked before the shading.

Anyone know by any chance?

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how did I fuck up this badly?

>>2292725
dude its a learning experience. you took a risk at something and it didnt all come out quite as you expected, its ok. figure out what went wrong and keep drawing it until you figure it out. it may take days, or hours but if you do it urself u will really grow as an artist. next time you draw something like this it will come out great if learn from ur mistakes! dont worry bout it we all fuck up sometime.

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This is from a beginner thread a while ago. Did I got the proportions right?

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>>2292740
Tried to shade it

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>>2292227
I I'm shit at drawing. Been trying to get better at six months ago, but I don't feel a lot of progress.

You study forms first that I know, but what after that? Just whatever you fancy? What does /ic/ recommend as solid practise?

>>2292741
always think of the lines throughout the image, as in, the top corner of the mouth should be equal on the right and left, also youre super accentuating some forms and ignoring others, really look carefully at the shapes and their relationship to each other in angles and size.

>>2292745
GAMBATTE

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I'm having a lot of trouble with this. It's been 3 days and I don't feel like I entirely get it.
I'm not going to stop, but do most people do this part for every drawing of a face? Or do they just think about it? I feel like the steps just before this are more practical. I am still going to try. I have done a little over 60 of them and I am still bad so I need to do many more... right?

>>2292784
Most people just imagine how it would look under their drawing. It's good to know the parts of a skull so you would understand the structure of the head better, things like planes and so on can do magic when it comes to describing form and volume.
Those aren't bad, try to do a shaded study of one so you would grasp the structure even better and I think you'll be good to continue with practicing other stuff.

Good luck!

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kill me

>>2292784

3 days? Bitch come back in 3 years. This isn't something you master in a few hours it takes massive amounts of mileage

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>>2292784
You can draw six circles in a row well. Better than most here.

>>2292476
Did you go through Fun With a Pencil before tackling the other Loomis books?

I can't draw the figure FUCK!

>>2292819

Be careful not to just carbon copy the Loomis faces or you're missing the point of the exercises.
The idea is to understand construction of forms/shapes, not draw gentlemen with round noses and pipes.
Try doing what he's doing from different angles using the same principle of using simple shapes to create something.

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>>2292227
I think I messed up

>>2292819
Wait, are you drawing in digital? If so, beginners should stay away from digital for now.

>>2292460
R A R E
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Here, I suck.

I've read the sticky and done tons of sketching and just feel like I have made 0 progress and am completely lost.

>>2292948
Keep going>>2292784

>>2292948
Try You Can Draw in 30 Days then keys, then Loomes or Vilppu.

>>2292725
It's not great, but it's an exercise for a reason. You need to be more deliberate with the lines you're putting down, they're too scratchy at the moment.
Try doing the first three exercises from Bert Dodson's key's to drawing, then give it another shot. I've done that particular exercise a bunch of times, and getting the line proportions right is still a problem, so keep at it.

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Got a tablet recently. It's weird trying to relearn literally everything.

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>>2292969
Bad crop

>>2292971
stabilizers are your best friend

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c/c

>>2293000

Did she steal a gnome baby?

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>>2292227
4 months drawing.

>>2293012
that pretty bad for 4 months. You dont practice much i assume

>>2292993
Stabilizers?

>>2293000

https://www.jeuxvideo.com/postic/forums/message/782371373

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>>2293045
>http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/47/1448149724-light.jpg

?

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>>2293012
ay boyo. I didn't want dickhead anon to dishearten you so maybe i can help a little. Try to focus less on line and more on forms. Use your pencil marks to sculpt out the shapes of the object you are drawing. My proportions aren't so good because I'm sure you can do those just fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsdkhQis34U this video is a must watch for all beginners learning form, please watch. Keep drawing, anon!

>>2293080
Thank you.

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My drawings are always bad because I'm terrible at proportion. I am grinding on human figures because they're interesting to draw and I can use the 8 head height rule to practice with. I know I have much more practice to do, but is there anything that stands out in general that I should pay attention to in the future?

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>>2293456
My reference.

>>2293456

Looks to me like you're just contour drawing. I say you should start looking into construction. I'm sure you've seen examples of people drawing mannequins with basic shapes like cylinders.
When I was trying to get better at drawing people I found after I practiced construction a bit a lot of basic anatomy how to make things look more three dimensional just snapped into place for me.

>>2293482
I've looked into that before, but I have difficulty figuring out the shapes/sizes of my constructions, especially when working from the chest to the hips. I'm bad at judging 3D shapes. Assigning curvy objects like a chest to simple shapes is a pain. I understand the basic idea on why it's done, but my execution is weak. Guess it's just a matter of practice.

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sketchbook thread is dead - went to a figure drawing class yesterday. The model was pretty terrible, she totally wasn't into it.

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What's the best way to approach water behind rocks? Trying to go about using the Peter Han method, this is difficult.

>>2293505

It is. I recommend practising it anyway, I think you'll improve faster that way than just trying to do contour drawings.
When I was figuring it out I watched Mike Hampton's figure drawing videos. I forget where I found them so you might have less luck getting your hands on them, but he has an 8 week course called analytical figure drawing around somewhere where he goes through basic anatomy and how to construct it.

>>2293456
Like other anon said, you're jumping the gun to quickly. Don't worry about getting it right the first time through, do underdrawings and work from there. Proportions aren't as big an issue as gesture. I'd say do more underdrawings, and really understand the forms you're trying to convey. It'll give your sketch some depth.

>>2293585
could i get some tips on the markers please? (im >>2292506 )

>>2293604
better than the coloured version, but the water shouldnt be this dark everywhere

>>2293605
Yeah I figured the colors were too fucked to continue with so I started working in values.
Thanks for the tip, I'll try lightening the water in areas where the plants aren't so crowded.

>>2293585
You might try experimenting with taking a light marker (10 or 20% grey) and do the gesture drawing or underdrawing with that first, then do the linework overtop that. Just a different way of approaching things and may mean you can do more efficient and nicer linework without it looking scratchy or having pen construction lines that look bad.

They're pretty good overall though, not sure what I can suggest. The transition from lights to shadows is very abrupt, maybe try taking a lighter grade of marker and having an intermediate step so it transitions smoother. You'll need to work quickly while the marker is still wet for it to be a nice transition, so it could take some practice.

I also think it looks bad the way you fade off the incompletion with the stool and the head and cast shadow on the ground. I would try to get it a complete shape rather than fading to messy strokes. Another thing you can try is hinting at some background. Since markers are good for quick tone block-in you can indicate if there is a pattern of light and dark behind the model where maybe there would be some nice contrast in some areas or the model might fade into shadow with the background in other places. It will help with leading the eye, composition, and value relativity and contrast. This isn't marker but it should give an idea of what I mean: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/534ecc56e4b076631492738c/5359949be4b0f7c14f4c2996/5359949de4b0e4fde0885025/1398379686443/chillin_large.jpg

>>2293607
look how bob motherfucking ross did the water with reflections

>>2293588
Anyone got any tips? I just don't know how to approach making a water fall with the dynamic sketching methods.

>>2292784

did you purposely draw superior maxillary to connect to temporal bone? it shouldn't

>>2292784
>>2292796
>>2292840
>>2292953
>>2293667
This is literally a picture from drawing the head and hands

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HELP ME /ic/ HELP

so I've been awful about drawing in the past couple of years. I've degenerated to bad cartoon sketches of the same expressions and handful of adorable animals.

how do I go back into art? How can I make myself great again? I don't know where to start. I want to get good so I can draw cute girls for a living.

>>2293680
Post your work and we can see what we're working with.

>>2293681
i recently threw away a bunch of my stuff because I found it depressing. let me make a collage quick

>>2292784
Hi, I posted this.
THESE AREN'T MINE
They're loomis'!

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Can someone explain to me what a trapped shaped is? The explanation in Keys to Drawing just left me confused.

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>>2293693
>>2293681
>>2293680
god damnit i only have a netcam and the quality is shit

pretty much all of this has been drawn in the past year. maybe if you fuck with the image in photoshop you might be able to make things out

1/3?

>>2292840
>>2293667
this is some of the most embarrassing shit i've ever seen

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>>2293702
2/2

I used to have a lot more in color, but the garage I used as a studio was broken into and they stole pretty much all my paintings and a gas grill

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>>2293709
bottom left got kinda cut off

>>2293709
One thing I've always been jealous of some beginners - they're not afraid to try different concepts or different compositions. I just drew the same things over and over in the same scene and now (still as a beginner) I am able to draw things a little better but my composition is awful

>>2292355
It's very "mushy." I'm assuming those are mountains or some sort of rocky/sand formations. Try using references to learn about how different mountains/rocks/sand can look, and try not to blend as much. In terms of composition, I can tell that the yellow pyramid and sun are the focal area so that's good if that's what you were going for.

>>2293709
I kinda like the idea of having a painting space. I like how you draw hair. A shame about the robbery mate.

>>2293012
I've seen people who draw for years and still are worse than you, so you're doing fine. But I would definitely work on consistency and form. The hands are (no offense) really bad. They look rushed. You may want to concentrate hands a bit more, because even professional art can be fudged up by bad hand anatomy, and hands are probably some of the hardest parts of a human to draw.

Another thing is symmetry. I'm not sure if it's intentional, but the eye on the right is a slight bit too high up. Nothing major, but just something to watch out for.

>>2293709
You've definitely got some skill, and you really should get back into it.

Heres the thing though: Don't throw out your old shit. Even if you hate to look at it and it makes you cringe, you can compare to your old stuff to see just how far along you've come.

That definitely makes me feel more inspired to keep going.

>>2293732
where should I start though? I have no clue where to begin.

>>2293754
Definitely doesn't look like you'd be starting. You seem to already be pretty good.

I'm still a beginner, so I still have issues with where to begin.

Best I can say is to do what inspires you, and what frustrates you the most.

Draw what you like, but also draw what you don't feel comfortable drawing.

If you can't draw female faces? Force yourself to draw female faces.

Think of what you most avoid drawing, and make it happen.

Nothing like needing to draw something and being unable to because you avoided drawing it.

I really avoided drawing feet for a long time, but all it did was hold me back, so I started to draw nothing but feet for a few hours, and I broke the shell.

From this, figure out what's wrong. From what you've drawn, I think you may wish to work on form and symmetry a bit more, but your shading is pretty fucking great.

>>2292738
hey thanks man, I guess that's what I gotta keep doing, practicing. Won't learn if I don't keep trying I know, but it's hard to get motivated these days. Well, I know it's within me, so thanks for the kind words, I will keep trying senpai.
>>2292956
thanks famiglia, I'll check out Dodson and try the exercises and try again.

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Last time I posed in one of the other boards someone suggested expanding my perspective, so I went back to Loomis to study moving the body in perspective. To weld the idea in I've been practicing poses and making sure to try and apply it. So far I've gotten to a method like this. 1 to make the box and sketch the mannequin in before 2.A moving the body parts into position and then 2.B blocking in body parts while trying to account for the space each block takes up and how it affects what's next to it, and then 3 adding in lines(Assuming I was finishing it. Does it sound like a good way to apply the method or is there an easier method anyone can think of? Been doing this for a while before I try to learn about light, to make sure that I'm learning the new method and applying it so I don't just drop it later.

>>2293827
Not an easier method but I mean a way of learning it, wrong wording.

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This might be more of a technical question.

I'm using Manga Studio and there is a rectangle tool. I have set the side ratios so that it will always draw a perfect square.

Manga Studio has a feature that lets things snap to perspective rulers, like this one point perspective I've made. When I snap the perfect square to be in perspective, it comes out seriously distorted like in pic related.

This looks nothing like a perfect square to me, even if it is supposed to be in perspective. Am I missing something here?

>>2293836
Try moving it farther away. Last time I checked, the closer you are to the vanishing point the more distortion comes into play.

>>2293840

Doesn't work, there must be some problem with Manga studio because this makes no sense.

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>>2293836
>>2293844
>this one point perspective I've made
That's not a one point perspective.

>there must be some problem with Manga studio
The problem is that you have no idea how perspective works and you randomly put down some guides thinking the software will do your job. Read a book.

>>2293869

>randomly put down guide lines

literally chose the option that says "one point perspective", then moved the horizon and vanishing point.

>>2293871
>then moved the horizon and vanishing point.
Read a book and learn how perspective works. You moved shit around with 0 understanding of what you were doing.

You guys ever have one of those moments where you take a break for a few days, come back, and feel like you can only draw shit? I looked at stuff I was doing a week ago and it's not better than now but suddenly I feel like I finally can see whats wrong with my drawings and how I can improve. So much better than sucking and not knowing how to improve even if I still just suck.

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>>2293869

Opened a new doc and did the same thing, and it worked this time. This is what I expected from the beginning.

Can you tell me whats different between these two, cause I can't tell? Not trying to be a smart ass either.

Question. My cousin recently gave me his old bamboo splash tablet after he upgraded to something better.

Would starting out on a tablet as opposed to paper be a bad decision for any odd reason?

>>2293883
It'd inconvenience you and potentially slow your progress, box it until you're confident in traditional is the rule of thumb generally.

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Quick 1min figure scetches

>>2293921
Fucken phone! Im sorry anons. phone fipped it

>>2293921
When i get home il flip and lower quality on my pc

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>>2293921
here you go

>>2293921
So much chickenscratching. Slow down, bro. Observe, draw a representative line. Don't glance, draw 10 and hope one or a combination of a few work. Your gestures will get a lot stornger just from doing this.

>>2293936
yeah was my first time doing gestures and i got a little crazy.

Thank you.

>>2293937
Mine were even "worse" than yours (Which aren't actually that bad) the first time around, it'll definitely get better. You captured the gestures well in my opinion, it's just the lines.

>>2293940
yeah the idea was to capture the gestures and practice proportions with lots of quick drawings before i start going slower and doing more detailed gestures, but yes my lines were all over the place and even drawing, many times i felt lost looking for the right line.

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I just finished drawing Picasso's Stravinsky from the beginner's guide provided in the sticky, so I'll post it here along with another picture from my notebook that I somehow managed to lose.

>>2292885
Why should begginers stay away from digital?

I've been drawing since I was in junior high, and I've effectively broken myself in a shitty "style" of the same carbon copy face. I'm looking to break that and get gud, but what's the dodge on digital for? More advanced in the hand eye coordination field?

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>>2293727
Thank you! I work every day but too much info fucks me up. It was done in 30 min so.... yeah, I need work more on hands and form.

>>2293827
Vilppu videos cover that more simply.

>>2293876
that's why you never take a break

>>2293876
Breaks change your perspective, it is ok to do it for 1 day, not more.
So 6-7 days of drawing and 1 day break if you need it.

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been drawing for 2 weeks now, looking for advice

>>2294197
I've been drawing for around 6 months and you draw better than me. I hate my self.

>>2294115
Noted, thanks

poor guy here sorry for the paper

i started using loomis a feel i can post what i did just now.
how am i /ic/
plz redline any thing i did wrong

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>>2294295
forgot pic

>>2294296
the two on the left look decent, not sure why you cropped them out

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What are the errors of my ways

Fuck me up, I take all the criticism

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>>2293702
>>2293709
>>2293712

could i get some feedback? i know you can't see shit but anything would help

boobs unrelated

>>2293601
ur markering is better than mine - not sure what kinds of tips I can give - here is a post I made earlier from some other anon about markers
https://warosu.org/ic/thread/2283524

>>2293609
>light marker
ah I only brought my T4 and T6 to class, I'll bring the T2 next time.
>do the gesture drawing or underdrawing with that first
I really like this idea

>hinting at some background
gotcha - class picks up again in 2 weeks. Hopefully I will remember by then... Thanks for all the tips!

>>2294371
well idk, quite like how you used the marker for the shadows. also are you fucking me? i have exactly just those three markers T2 / T4 / T6 and all of them were used for the moneky pic (+ a brush pen for the darkest value)

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>>2294347
whoz this?

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>>2294381
>T2 / T4 / T6
i had to buy refills for these, and I have to buy second refills for T2 and T4 soon. They are my old greys... I want to get some warm and cool greys for xmas but it costs $$$

>marker for the shadows
I try to create an imaginary value threshold on the figure (basically a boundary line), and then I don't cross it when I'm markering. Sometimes it works, sometimes it just looks pillow shaded.

Is Ctrl+Paint any good for beginners?

>>2292784
just keep going

I spent my whole holiday vacations alone trying to figure it out on my tablet and at the end of two weeks I was just beginning to get it. I would recommend trying to focus on understanding what makes a nose, eye and mouth look like they're facing a certain angle rather than the whole head.

Pick a nose with large sides/nostrils and try to figure out how the farther nostril is shaped to show that it is indeed the farthest, how the central part of the nose hides it and all that.

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*prepares anus*

First time poster, whoo boy I'm gonna get shit on.

>>2294388
and my guess is you are using the Sketches, not the Originals right? I feel like ive fucked up, since the Originals i have dont have the brush tip so i cant blend much...

btw, why to the pictures you post have that magenta tint?

>>2294424
should work on your construction before diving into details. it all seems flat and kinda wonky.

>>2294430
>magenta tint
its probably the bad white balance from the scanner - I forgot to slam the saturation down

>using the Sketches
yeah the brush tip definitely helps a lot

>>2294471
im really concidering buying and swapping the brush nibs

>>2294436
What, more specifically, is wrong with it? I know, Loomis, I'm on it, but what did I get wrong in this work? Also, I try to make my lines less scratchy, but I have disgraphia, so my hands are a little screwy.

>>2294475
you can also buy a colorless blender Sketch and then go over your drawing to blend it. It's not quite the same, but can get you pretty close.

How many Originals did you invest in?

>>2294480
just the three grays so its not too late to get out of the trap i guess

>>2294296
im the guy who redlined you way back when and i notice youre samefacing, I request you draw a profile view for me.

>>2294347
OMG I think she is hot.
I need to stop drawing and start fucking.

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>>2292227
guys i did all these in the past few hour. how did i do also is any advice or tips?

>>2294577
stop drawing on lined paper

>>2294577
I wouldve helped you with the faces if you fucking had them the right way and sized correctly,

PS get a tablet if youre a cheap bloke its an 80$ one time investment.

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>>2294581
fixed sorry

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>>2294550

>>2294582
next time i swear to god if you dont take your photos from straight on, anyway, give me 5.

>>2294424
Please? Anybody?

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I wanna draw cute thick girls. How am I doing so far?

>>2294596
bad

>>2294596

Look at pictures of cute thick girls, don't bother trying to draw from imagination before you've built a bit of a visual library and learned construction.

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>>2294582
get your guidelines in, when a face shifts downwards all the features go towards the bottom so that nose was too high, the other was lacking basic proportion, anyway, just a cheap redline.

I suggest you look at prokos tutorial on the loomis method.

>>2294317
Youre still in some elaborate version of symbol drawing, I recommend you try to add more details perhaps, everything is slightly off but thats just because you havent learnt much facial structure/anatomy so just keep at it.

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Hey guys, I've been really trying to improve over the last few months, focusing on faces. Can I get a critique/advice on how to improve? Also I don't know where to start on shading but that's not s much a priority for me.

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>tfw you draw something you're proud of

>>2294424
>>2294593

C'mon guys are you willingly ignoring me?

>>2294424
too many sloppy lines, appears flat, inconsistent shading, proportions are a little weird, the guns do not look good

>>2294614
>not hating yourself

you wont make it anon

>>2294618
"Flat" seems to be the most recurring crit. There's actually no intended shading on that, but the mess could contribute to an illusion of shading I guess. Should I set up planar lines on the chest/waist/head placeholders? I'll sketch up a quick placeholder to show how I start.

>>2294614
Well, let us see anon. No point in creating art if you don't let others see it.

>>2294596
look up vilpuu

>>2294635
Why do people recommend Vilppu to beginners?

>>2294608
Anyone? Looking specifically for tips on the face and hair and if anything's out of proportion but I'm overlooking

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>>2294626
its not for bullies to look at

>>2294644
what's the point in even mentioning it then

>>2294642
cant be fucked to red but just fucking ref at more proportions, because its a long face and everything is off enough that id replace it.
For example the cheek bone to bridge area is humongous, just do a skull study or 25 and you should get it.

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"I'm gonna come back to drawing finally, I've spent far too long doing other shit."

> Do nothing but chickenscratch.

Do you hate me yet?

(Also, something seems off about the woman on the (lower) right. Replace with (top) right?)

>>2294687
thanks for pointing that out, i'll definitely try doing that.

>>2294641
Yeah
>>2294596
Go go through You Can Draw in 30 Days then keys, then Loomes 1st book then Vilppu.

>>2294420
Wow thanks!

>>2294301
Probably arent his

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I've been lurking around a bit and people here and in other art sites I find keep on saying that I should stop stylizing until I get all anatomy and perspective down but.

When do I get to fuck around and have fun?

Not saying I'd completely stop doing studies but how do I balance studying and doing stuff I enjoy?

Or perhaps I'm looking at this whole thing wrong.

Help.

>>2294761
>how do I balance studying and doing stuff I enjoy?
For most beginners, you just need mileage. So it's important to just DRAW.

If drawing what you like helps get you mileage, then draw your animus and your mechs to get your pencil on paper. Eventually you will get to a point when you realize that your faces are weak, your poses are stiff, and you will want to grind to improve in these areas to make your drawings better.

Also, don't just draw without critically analyzing your work. It's important to create a feedback loop for yourself and study your weakest parts every day.

>>2294603
Alright, thank you for answering at all.

>>2294761
>Reply
still do stuff to have fun, but do the studies, anatomy and stuff more. you can still do stylised shit, it just wont be as good as if you knew anatomy, but that dosen't mean no fun.

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Could I get some tips?
Also, how in the fuck do I draw tilted objects in perspective?

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>>2294834
Another thing.


Really not sure how I should be shading with pens, so I sort of scribble everywhere and hope for the best

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>>2294835
One more I guess.

I really fucked this one up, I think.

>>2294608
You are drawing lines, when you should focus on volumes. That goes for any beginner.

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>>2294761

I'll let you in on a gem of insight. When you keep doing anatomical/perspective studies you want to get to the point of eventually becoming good enough to do 1:1 copies. It is boring but once you hit that benchmark, the fun starts happening.

You've probably heard/read people say that you need to 'Push' the form. What they mean is that once you can do 1:1 you become more aware that because they're copies, they're 'Stiff' and have no life. This is where 'Pushing' the form comes in. You see a person hunched over, when you draw that person you REALLY try to show that person hunched over by exaggerating the line, which comes at the cost of likeness. This is when you start going beyond the reference, trading in the likeness of a pose into making it more realistic.

Little by little as you keep altering your own drawing in order to REALLY show what the body is doing, you're now developing your own style and more importantly, drawing from your own imagination. A little more curved line here, a little more exaggerated shape there, all these little changes are not at all the exact lines/shapes you're trying to copy but your own design sensibilities coming out from your own head.

You start having fun really pushing poses as far as you can while still being readable and clear as to what your poses are doing. Before you know it your own drawings will look completely different than the references but still convey exactly what the pose is communicating.

>abstract tl:dr
When you were learning how to write you had to copy letters over and over and over again until the shapes you made looked like the letters you were trying to learn, which is boring. After learning the basic shape of a letter, you eventually started changing how the letter looked until you liked it (Or got lazy, didn't practice enough and made a shape that barely passed as a letter) Your handwriting is your own, you learned the letters but how it looks was entirely up to your own imagination.

>>2292725
In relation to this actually, how long did it take most of you to get through this stage of drawing (symbol drawing) as an absolute beginner?

>>2293712
Proportions on the head of the left guy are kinda fucked, his head looks squashed. I think that thing on the right side is a guy with a gas mask operating some kind device, can't tell because of the picture quality. I think you should read some things on figure drawing and try to get the proportions right before attempting to move to such difficult foreshortened poses. Take this with a grain of salt tho, I ain't even better than you

>>2294873

It took me a couple of months, though I still fuck up now and then and draw really symbol-looking eyes.
I think the biggest factor in helping me kick it for the most part was when I started doing construction from basic shapes, though. It got my brain to click about looking at things as three dimensional forms.

Is there such a thing as symbol drawing constructively?

>>2294900

Well, "symbol drawing" refers to drawing what your subconscious thinks you should draw instead of what you actually want to draw, so it's always counter-productive.

You can imitate symbols on purpose, to make something recognizable, as often is the case in cartoons and other forms of exaggerated drawing.

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>>2294641
it's not like he's advanced, he's very resourceful , he teaches the body in a way that is easy for most to understand. learning from him you learn to FEEL it and capture the essence of the human body

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Any critique?

I really fucked up the fingers.

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give homework pls

>>2295145
Do an actual still life. The lighting in your image does not match reality at all.

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Figure painting. Not that good yet, but im having fun.

>>2295194
I suggest using tools in the future

>so wholly consumed with the pursuit of gitting gud that I don't even enjoy drawing

Is there a point where it becomes fun?

>>2295294

Just draw whatever the fuck you want from time to time.

>>2294834
>>2294835
>>2294845
Anyone?

I'd really like some criticism.

>>2295294
i am at the same spot but i do feel it's needed to help execute what i imagine. switch up your studying and schedule,this anon has it right >>2295521

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>>2294317
More!

I'll just use this thread like a blog, ok? ok.

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One been searching for advice, what can you tell me

>>2293025
Lol are you crazy? That's pretty good for 4 months.

>>2295052
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic

>>2295541
Your lines need some work. Make broader, swooping lines without stopping and don't chicken scratch it.

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just leave it here.

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vilppu gestures.

requesting vigorous criticism

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>>2295611

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>>2295613

>>2295611
>>2295613
there is some inconsistency and some of the proportion is off, adding anatomy to your load will help you get a better understanding
i don't know how long you have been studying vilpuu , but try drawing without reference now and post your results. but overall good start

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>>2295617

>>2295550
i am 100% serious

>>2295611

for the amount of line you use, and mind you i've never particularly studied Vilppu, each lien has the same weight. Except for a few in the third one.

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I've been practicing gesture drawing and
one thing from the proko tutorial on gesture he does an example of exaggeration

and I found this fun image to try and exaggerate but am having a very hard time on the angles, mind giving me some pointers?

>Pic is reference

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>>2295621

>>2295620
alright. i have some anatomy books in my archives so i'll get cracking

and i'll do that immediately after i post these last two of what i did. thank you for the crit

>>2295623
yes, i'm drawing with pens (except for the couple graphite ones). the bolder one is a ballpoint, the lighter one is a pilot varsity which i've already bent. (i don't know if that happened because it's disposable, but i'm glad i didn't do this with anything more expensive.)

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>>2295630

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>>2295628

This is my crap version, it looks very flat
The angle of the core is wider on the bottom where the models leg is going up and her chest is falling back

If I wanted to exaggerate her motion, the right arm would be further back and her body would be leaned backward also I figure her head would be tilted back too

Mind giving me some pointers, also some red marks would be greatly appreciated

>>2295633
loosen your gesture. squint your eyes and capture the shapes, you are symbol drawing (you see leg, you draw leg. you should rather: see shape, draw shape)

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looking for critique and help. i noticed after i saved it that the neck was off and the hips are low like i made the torso too long.

>>2292725
I've fucking seen this. Please tell me where

>>2295655
see sticky

>>2292725
Fuck you. I will find it, I am on to something. You stole this

>>2295661
its picasso you idiot

>>2295651
I know you. looking for a hand, huh?

>>2295651
I like the hair.

>>2295664
you know it, boss

>>2295665
it was the hardest part

>>2292725
Please someone help me find it. It's not even deja vu at this point, I've seen it. It's a real picture of someone that I saw someone poorly draw a long time ago on the internet. Tinyeye doesn't work, but I swear it's real and this guy stole it. I wouldn't make three consecutive posts otherwise.

>>2295651
Next time don't bother with the scribbles shading. It is not describing the form properly nor the value. I would also draw the whole figure instead of just a part of it.

Be careful of the angles too. You found a vertical line in the photo that extends from the pit of the neck through the belly button and to the crotch. It's great that you saw this! But in your drawing the pit of the neck isn't really drawn properly to line up with it, and the crotch is misaligned too. And then if you look at the leg on the right (her left) in the photo it extends down from the crotch nearly vertically but slightly away. In yours it is angled the opposite direction.

Be careful too over going over the same lines (outline) too many times. You are going over like 5 times and it is making the linework very thick which gives makes it less precise.

>>2295663
Well picasso fucking sucked as an artist, that's why I didn't recognize him. He was never worth anything to me

>>2295668
>>2295661
>>2295655
>>2295671
You're an idiot.

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>>2295671
He was better than you, fucking pleb.

>>2295674
And you're an asshole. No wonder it looked bad, it was picasso. God what a terrible artist, why was he famous (is? I doubt he's still alive) All he did was draw shapes and knew nothing.

>>2295677
OBVIOUS BAIT
ignore this pleb

>>2295676
That's a nice painting. I bet picasso didn't paint it. And no, I don't draw stupid fucking cartoons with eyes on their foreheads.

>>2295679
Listen, I'm not baiting. I don't know much about famous artists, but I respect the work of any artist besides Picasso. I really don't like Picasso. Sure, he invented cubism or whatever, but I don't think his art style requires any fucking talent. I would instead call it dedication. Dedication to a shitty art style that only hipsters like. Fuck, why can't I have an opinion without being called a troll

>>2295670
>shading not describing form
yeah you're right

>crotch is misaligned
FUCK! how did I not notice this

thanks for taking a look at this, greatly appreciated

>>2295637
could you elaborate on that more?

>>2295568
Sorry for me being an attention-whore, but what do you think about this pic, guys?
I mean it definitely is not OK, just now i've noticed that one of his eyes is slightly off, and, after some adjustment, overall turn of the head became obviously insufficient with whole face being flat.
But I'm tired, and not sure if it really true or just me being compulsive.

Is drawing non-nude figures bad for studies?

>>2295782
i've found that knowing what's under the clothes helps you understand how they hang on the human body. also fabric is a monster (at least for me)

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AM I KUVSHINOV ILYA YET

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friends, I've done this for fun, but I want to improve and am not sure what step would be best for me next

>>2295798
well memed

>>2295543
be more sure with your lines, your very chicken scratchy, beyond that, the design is interesting enough if not generic (skinny rich man). Also, you could look into gesture to add more life to the pose if you really wanted to

>>2295777
nice trips

heres a tip, flip the image, then most, if not all, your issues will jump out.

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>>2295798
why does it look so much better with some random photoshop filter? How do I go about adding texture and depth to the base drawing? Like the filter does but manually.

>>2295840
thank you

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>>2292227

It looks pretty crappy around the jaw but i just need some help on how I can made my head anatomy better?

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I've been copying heads for the last fortnight.

I've moved from this.

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>>2295875

To this.

Will tracing make you better at drawing from observation?

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>>2295876
I think drawing skulls will help.

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Im tryna tackle Loomis atm

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Advice on how to get better? Redline plz

>>2296034
>sticky

>>2295977
Looks like a deformed version of Bridgman's method.

>>2296034
keep drawing and copying stuff
this isn't the worst animu I've seen so you're getting there, keep going

but work on line control more, don't chicken scratch
try to draw 1 line instead of multiple small lines
to practice drawing lines, check out drawabox tutorials on google (the first lesson)

>>2296053
Wait its animu?

>>2296060
>not knowing what animu and mango is.

>>2296060
animu = short for animus, latin for spirit/ soul

anon mean that work has a lot of spiritual energy aka aura

>>2296062
>>2296061
the dude said "Wait, it's animu?" not "wat is animu"

>>2296034
didnt i already ask you to draw a profile view? that was my advice, follow it, youll naturally be symbol drawing if you only do one view.

>>2296065
Hmmmm... I gotta work on my reading.

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>>2296060
The term "animu" is short for "animal". You may ask yourself - what are animals? Well, I created a short info graphic for you.

>>2296091
Goddamn, looks like people are still making the same mistake. Re-read his post again, but slowly.

>>2296062
>>2296091

Bullshit.


>>2296060

Animu/ Mango = Anime/ Manga

I'm not qualified for this but I'll give these a go

>>2295103
Looking at how blurred and soft the brush is, the edges are too defined between different objects. You could probably work on rendering those textures a bit more. Note how the fur meets the skin around the face while outlining its volume.

Proportions are also off. Consider doubling your efforts when laying out your guidelines and measurements. Overall a good effort

>>2292873
It's not bad for what it is. I like the way you've chosen to draw it; it's a nice style.

The only things I'm picking up on are the apple piece being a bit too tall and that the face ought to be oriented only a little bit away from the viewer rather than dead-on.

How do I stop this shit in Photoshop?
>switch layers
>draw a line
>line was bad so ctrl+z
>not only the line disappears, photoshop also jumps back to the last layer
That's two fucking operations. How do I stop this? Just realized I've ruined a layer because of this.

>>2296099
lmao you seriously think the weebs on here would misspell anime or manga?

>>2296062
is right

>>2296183
Googled it and apparently ctrl+alt+z does it. So incredibly fucking retarded, wish I could strangle the nigger responsible. Fuck.

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>>2295620
>>2295630
here are the non-referenced gestures

again, rigorous critique requested

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>>2296202

>>2296183
This shit has been in photoshop since the beginning of time.
>Ctrl + Z some work
>Continue work
>Half way in, realize you were on the wrong layer.

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>>2292227
Im not a beginner but im lazy

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>>2292227
would really appreciate some crit

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>>2296066
sorry i didn't know you said something before.

here is a front and side view of something i did

>>2296183
>>2296193
>>2296208
photoshop wasn't made for painting so it's got a ton of behavior that's super annoying for artists that they'll never fix or even allow users to change on their own because they refuse to admit it's flawed in any way.

>nig

>>2296208
Yeah. I just lost 30 minutes of work. At first I just assumed I was just a stupid user because Photoshop is supposed to be THE application, but apparently it's intentional. What the fuck? Why isn't there a button combination for us poor fuckers who just want to be able to push a button and undo several times over without getting jumps between layers? Can't they at least put a little fucking checkbox somewhere that would stop this bullshit. Jesus

>>2296209
>Im not a beginner but im lazy
I hope pic not related.

>>2295276
its >>2296209 speaking

i think you can get away with your fucked up drawing if you messure your shit, and have symmetry where there's symmetry.

you fucked up the face by not making it horizontal for example.

>>2296207
>>2296204
>>2296202

firstly, i'd try condensing the figures into as few lines as possible, use no more than 6 lines for 30 second poses, making sure you're focussing on the most important parts of the pose.
and think about the lines more before you put them down, but still keep the 'speed' of the lines.
also i think you're adding anatomy too soon. try simplifying the figure to boxes, spheres and cylinders.

you watched sycra's video on construction, didn't you? ;D i recognise the goofy peach head guy. try putting some of that stuff into practice on a full figure after you've done a gesture

>>2296234
>its >>2296209 speaking
Immediately lost all authority lol

>>2296268
fuck

>>2296241
will do! i'll post results too.

and yep, i did! i liked the dice exercise, it really hurt my brain last night trying to get the letters so the quality of the boxes kind of suffered

>>2296209

>(2.14 MB, 2592x1936)
>not a beginner


k

>>2296212
im bad at cc, but looks like you are on the right path

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>>2296209
pls

>>2296279
>>2296273
>>2296244
>>2296221
samefag

>>2296215
now start over the profile while fixing the bridge, making the nose less protrusive, fixing the angle of the nostrils, fix the position of the eyebrow by brining it forward and by well defining the triangle of the eye.

Also fixing the Shape of the head, compression of the ear too strong and the point of entry of the jaw.

>>2296283
additionally, if you do 4 of them ill redline the best one.
im bad but profiles are my specialty.

I wang to start learning but I don't have a direction to what I need to learn. Right now I'm just drawing cubes in space and still lifes what do I study to go from here to drawing cute girls?

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So I bought drawing on the right side of the brain back in 2008. Here's the results

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>>2296321
And here's attempt #2 2015. Time sure is kind to us

>>2296321
What are you even typing? Just do the exercises in the book and post results.

>>2296034
loomis gives the best instruction on heads, check out fun with a pencil and the other one "drawing the head and hands"

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>>2296268

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>>2296376

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>>2296379

>>2294347
you have a solid foundation and i guess doodling has kinda worked on your favour i like the style, just do some more realistic studies and keep pushing the style on the side. its never good to be a one trick pony. [spoiler]nice tits yo[/spoiler]

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>>2295550
you will never feel the painting. quit now.

>>2296321
>>2296325
>that fucking side.
an hero pls senpai

>>2295977
gotta study that anatomy my friend

>>2296325
i refuse to help people with huge pictures on the wrong side.

>>2295872
Just stop chicken-scratching with the pencil. This epecially noticable in her shoulder area and hair. Try to draw lighter and not put heavy lines without necessity. Your hatching is not always lies right and emphasizes underlying surface - be more confident (but lite) with it, no need to restrain yourself with a small areas of certain parts of the face. And for the sake of experiment, try to put all hatch lines in one direction.
Her ears are... eeh, quite cybernetic?? Normal ear height is equal to the height of nose (from the tip to the bridge, or, in some cases, the level of opened upper eyelids), her ears are way smaller (and VERY schematic, but maybe due to her cybernetic nature).
The nose is pretty small too. I mean, normally the nosewings (nostrils) are in a same line with the inner corner of eyes.
And the pupils. In the past I also drew pupils in that way, on the same line with the mouth corners. But this not always worked (quite seldom, actually). In most cases, I just got "two thousand yard stare", with little to no life in it. So, I started to draw pupils in a slightly different place to each other, depending on the distance to the object on which sight focused. Nearest the object - closest an each pupil to the inner corner of eye.
Sorry for an awkward speech - english is not my first language.

>>2294858
From someone who already knows what 'pushing the form' means, that was a solid explanation (though the 1:1 copy in that picture looks way better than the stylized one)

>>2296212
This looks great man. I don't really have anything constructive to say since you are beyond me but it's inspirational to me. Especially cool to see a breakdown of your process as well as the finished article.

>>2295620
What are some good exercises to understand anatomy?

>>2296474
reading the text, then re drawing the images given, then after you feel you have a good grasp on it try and draw it without the reference.

>>2296478
Gotcha'
Currently just got myself Bridgman Drawing from Life. I haven't looked into it just yet, but I'll approach it with what you said. Thanks.

When studying from a book along the lines of Loomis' figure drawing or Constructive Anatomy, etc is it better to copy thoroughly or just try to grasp and apply concepts through less thorough or accurate copy?

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How do I into detail? I have fun setting the big parts and adding basic shading but then I just get tired/bored with it and feel like it'd be way too long to make it good.

>>2296704
both , don't strive to copy every detail but try to understand what is being taught, it'll take a bit but you'll start to pave your own way

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how am i doing guys?

>>2296751
Pretty bad

>>2296751
Draw more ears. Consolidate your facial proportions knowledge (in a first pic the nose is too large). And draw more cubes, of course (it's all about studying perspective).

>>2296717
Practise values especially but drawing and clolor too before going into small details.

>>2296388
>>2296392

Sorry I offended senpai, I forgot to resize. Phone rotato apparently didn't work either.

Can anyone recommend some decent art communities where I can just make progress with others close to my level. Share stuff and have fun with it? That's what I'm really looking for.

>>2296852
If you want to paddle in the kiddie pool for a while, sketchbook oriented forums like crimsondaggers and permanoobs are a thing.

>>2296852
>Can anyone recommend some decent art communities where I can just make progress with others close to my level. Share stuff and have fun with it?
Sounds like a circlejerkin club. Sycra forums is pretty good at that purpose

I'm garbage.

>>2296888
welcome to the garbage club, i'm garbage paul and these are my garbage friends
checked trips

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same guy that drew >>2294197 here, made this quick sketch in 5 minutes but i'm stuck at the fucking nose. any tips on how to accurately draw noses and improve my drawing skills?

...bump?

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>>2292227
wtf happened. pls help me

>>2296925
Looks like your symbol drawing. Push for realism before stylizing. You can have fun drawing what you want between studying, but it's hard to critique a beginner's stylizations because they're exaggerated and wonky in the wrong ways.

>>2297069
thanks senpai, will do

>>2297033
>can'twakeup.jpg

NEW THREAD

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>>2296052
I like it anon. Its a nice complete picture

>>2296859
>>2296860

Thank you both, I'll give it a try.