What's the biggest mistake the US ever made in its history?

Probably Vietnam, maybe The War on Drugs, maybe our War on The Middle Class

rebelling against the crown

The Cold War. We could've teamed up with the USSR and swept oligarchy and monarchy from the world once and for all.

Instead we funded every two-bit despot and fanatic who fought them and we got daesh and al-Qaeda out of the deal.

>>75244
>We could've teamed up with the USSR
lol no you couldn't have

>>75181
Prohibition and the War on drugs

>lets educate the youngsters and improve the economy so everyone isn't either a drunk or a crackhead
>nah lets just make it illegal

Faggot fucking idiots.

Not settling the slavery debate during the formation of the country was a pretty big one. I'd say losing China to the gommies also influenced US policymakers to not want to make that mistake again so they could make a mistake in Vietnam.

>>75244

This. The world would be a much more prosperous place under detente. All of the poor Soviet bloc states would be richer thanks to not being cut off from the US, no pointless wars, no CIA backing of dictators. Nobody gained anything from the Cold War.

Vietnam for sure

And the fed

>>75271

It would be possible in a miracle world where Stalin decides propping up a dozen puppet states in Eastern Europe isn't necessary, or if by an even bigger miracle the US is just completely OK with it.

>>75181
Electing Herbert Hoover

>>75181

The 1953 coup of Iran. Killed all hope for democracy, stability, and advancement in the middle east.

>>75181
Not killing Iraq
Not killing Mexico
Not killing a lot of shitholes that deserved to die.

>>75215
>Biggest mistake
>posts greatest achievement
wew

>>75302
The US gained being the sole superpower of the planet.

>>75181
Not finishing the job in Vietnam, not sending troops in Cambodia.

America was too soft during the cold war.

>>75302
>Nobody gained anything from the Cold War.
We gained the eradication of communism, an ideology which murdered close to 100 million people during the last century.

>>75383

Nice bragging rights for a few years but nothing was really done with it. We'll probably still have a slight edge over the rest of the world in the coming decades, but since WWII the rest of the world has just been getting stronger.

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>>75244

>We could've teamed up with the USSR and swept oligarchy and monarchy from the world once and for all.

Oh god the delusion of this post. It's like saying that foxes and chickens could get along if only they got to know each other.

>>75181
the worst it did to the world was to joined WW1
and for the US worst mistake did was to give civil rights to blacks
>inb4 go to certain board

Emancipation Proclamation.

Deciding to ban liquor.

>>75445
> and for the US worst mistake did was to give civil rights to blacks

Have fun with the US going the way of the USSR at the end of the cold war then.

>>75181

Slavery, from an economic, cultural and social perspective.

>>75414

>We gained the eradication of communism, an ideology which murdered close to 100 million people during the last century

Yeah, and Capitalism is responsible for the death of 100 million Amerindians right? Do you even understand what you're saying? During the Cold War the US government justified absolutely any action it took based on stopping Communism. It didn't matter to them that they dropped more bombs on Southeast Asia than in all of WWII, it didn't matter to them that they supported corrupt dictators in Guatemala, South Vietnam, South Korea, and Cuba because it was all in the name of stopping Communism, then it was acceptable. The anti-Communist crusade was a death cult that killed millions and set progress in places like Laos and Latin America back by decades.

>>75516
how economic?

>>75181
>What's the biggest mistake the US ever made in its history?

Coming into existence...

>>75570
ebin

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>>75603
>We almost won vietnam.
right wing nuts are trully pissed

Not annexing Japan and annihilating Japanese culture after WW2
Not executing Operation Unthinkable

>>75603

Maybe, but it was fought poorly and inefficiently.

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>>75603
>We almost won vietnam

>>75633
>Being this liberal
>>>/lit/

>>75531
>Yeah, and Capitalism is responsible for the death of 100 million Amerindians right?
No.

>Do you even understand what you're saying?
Yes.

>During the Cold War the US government justified absolutely any action it took based on stopping Communism.
Right. And history has vindicated American policies.

>It didn't matter to them that they dropped more bombs on Southeast Asia than in all of WWII,
Better bomb a few forests than condemn millions of intellectuals, property owners, business owners, engineers, journalists, to execution and gulag labor.

>it didn't matter to them that they supported corrupt dictators in Guatemala, South Vietnam, South Korea, and Cuba because it was all in the name of stopping Communism
Cuba was a lot better off under Batista. As for South Korea, are you serious? Are you claiming that South Korea was a bad thing, and that we should've let all of korea become communist? Fucking idiot, go live in north korea.

>The anti-Communist crusade was a death cult that killed millions and set progress in places like Laos and Latin America back by decades.
No it didn't, Latin American countries which repudiated communism, such as Chile, are today the wealthiest countries on the continent. As for Laos, it's a communist country, so I don't really get what's your point.

>>75683
>HURR IF YOU DON'T STAND WITH US SCUMBAGNESS YOU R LIBRUL

>>75693
not him, but your post is a weak b8

>>75633
>>75697
>>75678
Name a major engagement the Americans lost

>>75719
I'm not b8ing.

Jesus, I want /lit/ to leave.

>>75727
Pearl Harbor

>>75727
you lost in vietnam, in 1812 against the brits, and in somalia
>inb4 those ain't wars

>>75775
>>75787
A specific battle in Vietnam you Doofus

>>75808
well i don't know a shit about that war, but the deaths in your side were more

>>75181
>the biggest mistake the US ever made in its history?
Winning the civil war.

Vietnam, in terms of military tactics and lives.
Fucking around in the Middle East, in terms of overseas control and foresight.

>>75840

Pro-tip, you can't win an argument when you're just as ignorant as the guy you're arguing against.

>>75727
vietnam

>>75727

Media and public perception after Tet-offensive.

Confiscation of gold, abolition of gold standard.

>>75693
>Being this retarded

Anyway, I'd say the US arming the Mujehaddin terrorists was the worst thing ever, considering that it laid the framework for Al Qaeda and the Taliban to be born and spread terrorism all over the Middle East, destabilizing the whole region.

Every death from terrorism today could be directly attributed to the US, THE most evil modern country on Earth today. Only country that could rival was the USSR but that's long gone.

>>75727
>>76100
You just conceded the point. We lost because of public perception and the situation at home, not because of the Vietnamese

>>75181
Not killing Iraq.

The biggest mistake was to not follow your ancestors' will by killing every shit skin on the planet who refuses to evolve.
Killing the indians was the best thing America has ever did in it's shitty history and Britain should have followed your example.

But then for some reason after the Wild West anarchy was over you morons began fighting between yourselves on 2 sides.
Then you let your people become sheep. Then you let the jews take control of your economy via private banks. Then you let the niggers into your country. Then you refused to take over south america and Canada. Then you became conflicted with your morality despite being a country based on british criminal scum, which led to 12 year olds having sex, drinking, partying. You stopped embracing your true nature and you became weak.

Why did you bother framing Osama for 9/11 if you weren't gonna kill Iraq in the first place?
Why bother lying about your identity and using psychological warframes when you are the wealthiest and strongest continent of 51 countries on the goddamn planet. You are rightiously evil, it is your destiny to take over the world.
You should have countinued the war against the Soviet Union after germany was beaten.

Because of your inner conflicting morality you have become sloppy and started half-assing absolutely everything you got involved with.

But hey at least you created an artificial currency which funded Hollywood, NASA, Area 51 and many other things(which I appreciate, only you fags could fund out of reach ideas) then your 51 states went to hell because Illuminati controls it.

>>75727
>LMAAOOOO RUSSIANS GOT BTFO IN SOVIET-AFGAN WAR! FUCKING RETARDS! SO WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS KILLED MORE THEN THEY LOST? A LOSS IS A LOSS, DEAL WITH IT RUSKIES!

>W-w-what? We WON VIETNAM YOU FOOL! LOOK AT THE NUMBERS! But you can ignore all our failed objectives for the war and our ally being annexed, that doesn't count!

I swear, if I find people more retarded than Americans, I would be really surprised.

>>76202
Nice strawman

Supporting Mao Zedong over Chiang kai-Shek during the later phase of the Chinese Civil War.

The communist traitors who guided American policy in this regard, such as Owen Lattimore and Edgar Snow, should have been lined up and shot, I mean, who the fuck actually believed this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Mission

>"And the impressive personal qualities of the Communist leaders, their seeming sincerity, and the coherence and logical nature of their program leads me, at least, toward general acceptance of the first explanation -- that the Communists base their policy toward the Kuomintang on a real desire for democracy in China under which there can be orderly economic growth through a stage of private enterprise to eventual socialism without the need of violent social upheaval and revolution."

This was the period of the Yannan Rectification Movement, when Mao was purging the fuck of the Chinese Communist Party. And yet Americans believed that the commies were just social reformers and the Kuomintang was the true evil.

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>>75727
>'You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,' said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. 'That may be so,' he replied, 'but it is also irrelevant.'"

>>76287
Bringing the heat.

>>76287
Exactly the point he was making

>>75181
Not dropping the bomb on /china because Truman was too big of a pussy to let McArthur win the war.

>>75181
How can you have an entire continent of americlaps following your every will and still not mamage to take over the planet by now?

Looks like the shepperd is just as retarded as the sheep.
When will United States fix their education?

>>76263
>Strawman

It's still true though, all Americans I know believe that the Soviets lost the war and were running with their tails behind them, when the US did the same but some idiots still believe the US won the war? Really? What kind of cognitive dysfunction leads to such thoughts?

If the South managed to survive, I would have probably considered it a victory despite the Americans leaving, but it got annexed and the whole region became communist yet it was still a victory? Oh lord, wonder how low the IQ of the average right-winger is.

>>76279
No you didn't. I regularly post anti white threads

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>>76318

>>76331
You might try meeting some Americans outside of the history or politics sections of an image board designed to discuss Chinese Cartoons for one thing.
The United States won the Vietnam war military but lost it politically.

>>76281
The american government in the late 40s was infected with KGB agents.

>>76281
>>76385
get out tea baggers

>>76318
America can't even fuck countries in the ass properly.

>>75215
This desu senpai
>>75347
Enlightenment kek

This whole thread

>>/pol/

>>76378
The military is a means to a political end, failing to achieve the ends while securing the means is still a failure.

People don't go off to fight wars because they think it'd be cool, they do so to secure political interests.

>>76418
People can't voice opinions I don't like
>>>/killyourself/

>>76393
I'm not even american

>>>/lit/
>>>/reddit/
>>>/lgbt/

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>>76385
>there are still people who deny the extent of Soviet espionage in the United States after the public disclosure of the Venona project

>>76443
then you are a cUckservative

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>>76447
McArthy literally did nothing wrong.

>>76447
>there are still people who believe that McCarthy unfairly persecuted innocent americans

>>76447
>>76481
>>>/x/

>>76433
I never claimed Vietnam wasn't a colossal disaster for the United States, but it didn't have to be that way. It was not because any failing of the American military (though as in any other war there were many) but because of the perverse short-sightednesss of politicians. I imagine my grandchildren will probably be saying the same thing about Iraq to yours over the internet, assuming we live long enough to have them.

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>>76447
>>76481
McCarthy*

>>76418
>people respond to OP
>people disagree with each other
"waa, i don't likt it, pol is truiggering me"

...are you serious? Go to another thread then.

>>76196
>Killing the indians was the best thing America has ever did in it's shitty history and Britain should have followed your example.
This. Dis. This. This
Britain, America and Germany should have went on a fun joy ride of ridding the world of degenerate primitives which haven't managed to evolve with the rest of us.
Imagine a world with no Turkey. Imagine a world where South America, Africa and the middle east aren't wasted on shitskins who are incapable of evolving and harnessing the natural resources of the globe.

>>76456
>Fails to find actual arguments to use.
>Resorts to memes.

Fail.

>ITT: HUR DURR VIETNAM
>FRANCE LOST
>USA PULLED OUT
now last i checked loosing isnt pulling out, causing terrible casualties to north vietnam and achieveing our objective of having a south vietnam

>we left them to fend for there selves
>inb4 south Vietnam invaded ^^

>>76447
There are "historians" still insisting that Julius Rosenberg dindu nuffin

>>76424
irony

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>>76481
>>76490
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Belfrage

>At the height of McCarthyism, Belfrage was summoned in 1953 to appear before the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC).
>In 1995, the decrypted VENONA intercepts—a project between the US and British intelligence services to decipher Soviet wires — were made public. United States intelligence has alleged that Unnamed Codename Number 9 (UNC/9) was Belfrage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Karr

>In 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy referred to Karr as Drew Pearson’s “KGB controller”.
>After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1992, in the new atmosphere of openness, Soviet investigative journalist Albats published an article in Izvestia quoting documents from KGB archives that Karr was “a competent KGB source” who ‘‘submitted information to the KGB on the technical capabilities of the United States and other capitalist countries.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Coe

>Called before the HUAC (chaired by Congressman Karl Mundt), Coe denied under oath having ever been a member of the CPUSA.
>A recent investigation into the KGB archives claims that files show Coe to have been a Soviet agent.

But this one is my favourite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauchlin_Currie

>the United States refused to renew his passport in 1954 due to the McCarthyism atmosphere in Washington, DC.
>He appears in the VENONA cables under the cover name 'PAGE', and in Soviet intelligence archives as 'VIM' and as a source for the Golos and Bentley spy networks.

Why he is my favourite? Because of this.

>From 1943 to 1944, Currie ran the Foreign Economic Administration where he played a major role in recruiting or recommending economists and others throughout the Washington administration. Prominent examples are John Kenneth Galbraith, Richard Gilbert, Adlai Stevenson, and William O'Dwyer.

So we have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the American liberal establishment.

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this thread got infested by dumb americans and /lgbt/ 2.0....i mean /pol/
see you latter

>>76378
>The United States won the Vietnam war military but lost it politically.

Oh boy, this is what happens when Americans are in charge of history... You can't get any more fucking stupid than this, can you? I don't think it's possible.

Pro tip from an adult, since the last few centuries, war is always for political ends, especially the Vietnam war considering it was a war against communism, and not a war for the sake of war.

You don't see people saying "Hey, the Nazis won WW2! Look at how many dozens of millions of Russian casualties they inflicted! Over 22 million!", so why would you say "Hey, the Americans won the Vietnam War! Look at how many hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese casualties they inflicted! Over a million!" I hope one day you just take a step back and think what about what you've said.

>>76491
>I don't know what I'm talking about

In order of (if) this happened already then (this) is the next biggest mistake
1. Independence
2. Formation of political parties
3. Marbury Vs. Madison
4. Formation of the early banking system and on to the fed
5. Civil war
6. Emancipation proclamation
7. Shermans March
8. Lincoln getting killed before he could deport the blacks
9. More banks getting control and an entanglement into foreign affairs
10. WW1
11. WW2
12. Everything there on is a lot of fuck ups

>>76587
Get this garbage back to your containment board

>>>/pol/

>>76235
Just imagine the alternative, you could not be banned and have your opinion shit over the SJWs who ignore what you have to say, the exact same way you would treat someone posting on /pol/, with only token consideration. And with all the SJWs yelling even more than they do and being completely justified in it, they're be an even louder echo chamber.

>>76605
Nice job not reading my post.

Not staying as an isolationist nation that only weighed in on massive events like WW1 and 2

>>76618
>facts are garbage

>>75510
>Implying pol isn't the biggest hugbox on this site that bans dissenting opinions.

Kek, try again faggot.

>>76591
Yes, well that's what you seem to think every time a SJW gets angry about something on the internet, and suddenly you yell censorship.

>>76633
Name one thing /pol/ is factually right on without using dumbass conspiracies for evidence. The fact that /pol/ likes to pull things out their ass is apalling

>>76618

Are you fucking serious right now?

>>76661
>/pol/ doesn't ban porn and blatant shitposting
>somehow bans dissenting opinions
>>76669
"SJW"s will economically terrorize people.
We just make fun of them and draw silly pictures

>>76546
This so much. you guys are real idiots.

>>76591
Nobody's censoring you m8.

We're telling you that your opinions are shit and that you act like autistic freaks, but you're not censored.

Your entire argument is based on calling your opponent's weakhearted and claiming to prove them wrong without ever proving them wrong or providing sources for your arguments.

Basically, you act as if you're superior and right while simultaneously acting out the part of a victim who's being oppressed, exactly like SJWs and everything you claim to hate.

>>76618
This guy >>76587 provided links, which is more than you did to rebut him. You go back to your containment board if you cannot provide a rebuttal.

>>>/b/

>>76546
>>76706
t. prager university

>>76681
akshully, let me just post an image macro

>>76642
What's there to read? In your head you still consider Vietnam a victory, it doesn't matter if it's politically or military, it's an absolute defeat. The North didn't win the war with a mere Pyrrhic victory, it was a total victory, they soon overran Southern Vietnam and help power over all region.

Only in your deluded fantasy you've won, either militarily or politically, you have yet to learn about asymmetric warfare and geopolitics.

>>76724
wut

>>75332
Electing the cripple was even worse.

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>>76717
>>76654
>>76688

>>76739
>admit that Vietnam was a complete disaster
>still gets accused of considering Vietnam victory because I place the blame on the politicians who caused the disaster rather than the military

>>76757
they say that they did not lost vietnam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hqYGHZCJwk

>>76616
>Independence

This right here.

>>76750
>two websites
>therefore everybody is censoring me!

>>76758
yes anon but FDR would not have happened without Hoover destroying the Republican party

>>76739
you should read >>76546
you're a fucking idiot

vietnam could've been won with harsher tactics, but at that point it'd make us as bad as the thing we're supposed to be fighting.

Not immediately going to war with Russia following WWII. We had nukes and they were clearly interested in European conquest

>>76681
Anything that is a current world event.

Anything regarding laws, especially gun laws.

Social commentary.

>>76681
>Name one thing /pol/ is factually right on without using dumbass conspiracies for evidence.
Anything related to racial differences.

The dialogue is much more open than, say, on /sci/, whereas saying anything else than "race is a social construct" will get you a ban.

>>76823
t. pattonfag

>>76781
vietnam wasn't a loss.

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>>76841

>20th amendment
Somebody /thread me

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>>76759
Nice Ad Hominem attack. I'm not even American.

I guess the people from /pol/ are right about you guys.

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>>76870
>i am conspiracionist turd who believes that the USSR infiltrated to the US

>>76869
the inauguration date was changed because we now have automobiles and can get to washington faster?

>>76857
glad to see alot of foreign euro-keks here on 4chan. easy to spot you guys.

>>76857
kek

>>76919
>>76759
>agree with what I'm saying or you're a retard who needs to leave

sounds familiar

>>76919
Nope, I am someone who appreciates that this fellow had links to back up his argument.
>>76587

Whereas, the best you can do is respond with memes and ignore the argument in favour of attacking the person who you disagree with.

Clearly, they are the less childish person.

>>76775
It's sad because you're lumped in with a gang that actually believes the US won in the Vietnam war. A gang that has a small double-digit IQ. I'd say losers of half of all the wars I know can effectively blame their defeat on politicians, ranging from early Carthage unwilling to support Hannibal defeat Rome, to the US losing in Vietnam, to even more recent cases like the 2006 Lebanese War, where the IDF inflicted larger casualties, but for the Hezbollah, it was a total victory. Israelis to this day still blame the defeat on their politicians for backing down, but they generally admit it was a defeat (Those I've known)

>>76806
>hurr read
>Reads
>HURR ABANDONING YOUR MISSION ISN'T LOSING!
>HURR TERRIBLE CASUALTIES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT MATTER IN A WAR
>HURR WE'VE CREATED A SOUTHERN VIETNAM EVEN THOUGH IT EXISTED BEFORE THE US INVADED

You can literally not be more retarded than this. Never mind double-digit IQ, it'd be a miracle if you had a single-digit IQ.


>>76806

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>>76987

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The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, pretty simple really

>>75181
I would argue that Vietnam wasn't that bad. The costs were pretty high, namely tens of thousands of U.S servicemen dead, a Communist Vietnam and billions lost, combined with massive disillusionment with the political establishment. BUT it wasn't a strategic defeat, in fact it lead to Detente and triangular policy with China, a policy which eventually won America the cold war.

I would say the years 1984-2008 were when the U.S really dropped the ball. It made literally nothing out of being the sole super-power, and fucked up the middle east to a point not yet seen in history

>>76920
What a waste of an amendment, amiright?

>>77009
>insulting someone because they disproved you
i don't think you belong here kid ?

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>>77017
Yeah, the guy may be wrong, but he defended his argument. The best you can do is post irrelevant stuff.

He's still winning the argument, even despite being a stormweenie.

Civil Rights Act of 1964

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>>77143
>yes the USSR infiltrated to the US, and let their country to turn into a depressive shithole in the 90's, and let the americans to conquer the ME for resources
you /pol/shits are funny as hell, now post more conspiracy stuff plz

>>77142
Of course they're right, the IDF is the strongest military in the Middle East, Iran can contest but you get the idea...

Still, that does not change the fact that a loss is a loss, and the Israelis have come to terms with it. If only most of the Americans ITT could be this understanding..

>>77191
Hahaha... I actually think >>76587 is wrong, but so far my respect for pol has gone up, and my respect for you "historians" has gone down.
Rather than point us all to the "truth", you sit there with your stupid memes.
Did you get lost looking for /b/?

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>>75215

This.

Fucking Colonials.

>>77193
Hopefully the Iranians will be weakened enough by this Syria debacle...

>>77259
/pol/ always post conspiracy shit

>>77302
Kek? It's not conspericy, all those people were convicted.

>>77321
i was refering to shit like
>WAHH THE COMMIES INFILTRATED AND WON

>>77191
There is no "conspiracy" about Soviet espionage in the United States, it happened, there is evidence about it, and it influenced American foreign policy in the early years of the Cold War (such as the loss of China to communism, which was what my original post was about).

If you are interested in understanding how did it happen, I can recommend you the works of Christopher Andrew, John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr. These are respected historians, none of these issues are controversial.

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>>77331
>>77342
>get attacked for stating an opinion and told to go back to /pol/
>anon promptly says to fuck off
>rush to the aid by same fagging
Oh I'm lawfun
>>77359
And who was saying this?

>>75181
Not standing by Germany in WW1 and preventing a WW2

Damn, what a garbage board

so many false falgs ITT from both sides.

Easier to make your enemy look bad than support your own arguments eh?

>>77379
-->>>76385
-->>>76447

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>>77391
It's been pretty good actually, most factual stuff gets down and shitposters will fuck off soon

>>77391
You can always fuck off back to reddit faggot.

>>77391
Unfortunately, I was hoping this would turn out like /vr/ where people discuss history in an unbiased manner with no reason for arguments. Maybe it's just going through weird growing pains.

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/his/ will be an interesting board for debates n shit

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>>77402
What he said is true, what he didn't say they infiltrated the US and won.
He simply stated that some KGB memebers infiltrated the USFG...

Can you idiots just stop responding to /pol/ trolls and bait and just report? NOT FUCKING DIFFICULT - NOBODY WANTS TO SEE "go back to /pol/"

You're being just as bad and are contributing to cancer on this board just as much.

>>77379
>having that picture saved to your computer
Are you seriously implying you aren't /pol/? Is this comic what you look at when someone calls you out so you can sleep at night?

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>>75727

1st Ab Bac, Binh Gia, Dong Xoai, Ba Gia, A Shau, Xa Cam My, Ong Thanh, Khe Sanh, Kham Duc, Lang Wei, FSB Ripcord, Lam Son 719...

Also a not so well known fact... Viet Cong managed to sink an aircraft carrier. UNSN Card, former USS Card, a WWII era Bogue-class escort carrier on her moorings.

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>>77478
Where did I imply I don't brows /pol/?
I'm just telling you what he said.
He said McCarthy got people prosecuted for being filthy communists, and he was right about commies being in the government.
>>77481
K

>>77564
By any fighter of Islamic terrorism, I mean any fighter against it, not adhering to it, oh god that sounds so wrong ayy

>>77548
->>>76587
>So we have a Soviet agent recruiting people who would later become part of the American liberal establishment.