Wehraboos

>the Sudetenland should belong to Germany because it had an ethnic German majority
>ok, why did they annex the rest of it though?
>fuck off kike
every time

>>3370585
Sudetenland never even belonged to Germany, it belonged to Bohemia which was a part of Austria

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>nazi economic miracle
>muh Dresden
>muh hamburg
>wermacht liberated eastern europe from communism
>if hitler did X he could have taken moscow/stalingrad

>>3370595
my point is that even if you accept that the Sudetenland is German, they can never explain why annexing the rest of Czechoslovakia was ok, which was literally one of the first things Hitler did

>>3370585
arguing with stormfags and /pol/tards is so fucking easy
when they reply to you with "fuck off kike" or "JIDF" you know you won by default since their little brains can't create a compelling argument

>The deaths in the camps were caused by Allied bombing of the supply lines

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>>3370612
>Allied bombers went around rounding up and executing Jews in Eastern Europe

>>3370612
>Anne Frank died of typhus so that means no Jews got murdered

>You can't gas and cremate 6 million Jews
Some of them unironically believe that all Jews died in Auschwitz

>>3370632
>how could 6 million Jews have died if they originally overestimated how many Jews died at Auschwitz
this thread is giving me 'nam flashbacks

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>That "this man is not German" image
>The image about how Auschwitz had a swimming pool and a rabbit breeding project for the Luftwaffe is proof that the Holocaust never happened
>'Redpill' JPG's that blatantly lie and misrepresent facts in order to mislead uninformed people

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>>3370577
Whenever they post a quote with an actual source hoping that nobody will check it and expose their bullshit.

>>3370652
>Sovietfakes.jpg

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>>3370653
Fucking this. Also when they post fake quotes with incredibly vague sources (for example the name of a 500 page book but no page number)

>>3370653
There's another one with Churchill. If you have it saved post it here. They photoshoped a star of David on the guy next to Churchill. It has a bunch of quotes. First one is completely forged, the next one is from a German book from the 30s and there's some Irving thrown there for good measure.

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>>3370617

>Americans had concentration camps where they would turn japanese prisoners into soap and weapon grease

>the Nuremberg trial blamed Katyn on the nazis (which isn't even true in the first place) so every mass grave in eastern Europe was the Soviets

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>>3370577
>Attributing the post-depression German economic recovery to Nazism and not to Hjalmar Schacht
>Stab in the back bullshit
>"Jews" declared war on Germany first
>Auschwitz had a swimming pool this must mean the Holocaust was a lie

>>3370596
>>muh Dresden
>>muh hamburg
Discussing Allied atrocities doesn't make you a Wehraboo (though often it's them doing it, I'll give you that).
>>if hitler did X he could have taken moscow/stalingrad
Discussing WW2 and the ways the Wehrmacht could have done better doesn't automatically make you a Wehraboo. Arguably they could have taken Moscow and Stalingrad with different strategic decisions.

>>3370683
Well the Soviets tried this but other prosecutors declined. Goering was amused by it.

I find it pretty interesting when people dismiss the evidence for an event as documented as the Holocaust as either fake or inconclusive without applying those standards of evidence to the Holodomor for example.

>>3370685
Why do you post the picture of that woman?

>>3370694
a guy on /pol/ literally told me that Germans were hanged for Katyn, when even the Soviet delegation admitted that there was no evidence about who ordered it

>>3370685
>>Stab in the back bullshit
the Kiel sailors were Jewish communist terrorists and everyone in Germany was fine with starving and having their husbands die until they mutinied

>>3370662

The recent Churchill fake quote thread was a perfect example of this. Despite being repeatedly asked, the Stormfag was unable to provide a page number or even which volume of Churchill's book he was quoting from. Then someone downloaded all the volumes and searched for the quote volume by volume and found it in none of them.

The talking point then instantly changed to how ((((they))) must have removed it from the online versions.

Isn't it funny that they can find obscure books about accounts of the holocaust and photograph and highlight the more bizarre claims to them wave around, but these quotes from world leaders or mainstream newspaper interviews are only ever presented as text...

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>>3370692
>firebombing krauts
>an atrocity
they were asking for, and this image proves, are still asking for it

on your second point you are to an extent correct, but in thread of that kind i see a lot of /pol/lacks and wheraboos constructing their own fantasies about how the wheremacht 'amost won' often ignoring the obvious and fundamental flaws in operation barbarossa and general german prosecution of the war that make it incredibly difficult to imagine either Moscow or Stalingrad being taken or any other eventuality that could have resulted in soviet defeat.

>>3370676
>prisoners into soap and weapon grease
Wat

>>3370695
Not as amusing as seeing people who condemn holocaust denial go full /pol/lack mode with fake infographs, quotes from propagandists, and general it wasn't a genocide 'cuz the other side totes started it when Armenian genocide gets brought up.

>>3370721
This book was from the 50s and existed in two version but both lacked that quote. And I found that information on what looked like a holocaust denial forum of all places.
No it wasn't axis forum it was something else.

>>3370722
Yes, I agree with your second paragraph.
>>firebombing krauts
>>an atrocity
>they were asking for, and this image proves, are still asking for it
Get the fuck off /his/ and spout your bullshit on >>>/int/ or >>>/pol/.

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>>3370704
Because Rose makes every post better.

And it helps me to track my posts, I have a dynamic IP.

>>3370721
>The recent Churchill fake quote thread
Do you have the archive link of that thread?

>>3370743
Do you think Rose is cute? Is that why you think she makes every post better? I sure do find her cute.

>people will defend bomber harris
>the same people will also scream how lemay was a war criminal and that hiroshima&nagasaki were crimes against humanity

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>>3370664
>>3370721
>>3370735
I fucking found it.

>>3370763
The Japs deserved far worse than that slap on the wrist.

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>>3370792
Really makes you fucking think

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>>3370652
>tfw uninformed
>tfw was swayed for a while
>tfw I actually checked the source of a quote it it was from a genocidal Polish communist but twisted a little bit
The holocaust happened. Denying history is wrong.

I'm still kinda anti-semitic though due to unrelated reasons.

>>3370808
First quote is completely fake.
After that I don't feel obliged to check the rest.

>>3370605
>liking bordergore

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>>3370760
Indeed anon. She's a 10/10 qt pie.

>>3370792
That's the problem with shitty infographics and the internet in general. Many people don't bother to check for sources or have no critical thinking skills and take things at face value. There's also the problem of echo chambers which happens a lot in places like /pol/ or even Facebook (which shows you more of the things you "liked"), people circlejerk each other seeking sources they already agree with rather than challenge their beliefs and question things.

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>>3370577
>Order #428 is about killing of civilians in German uniform
>>3370585
>>3370595
>>3370605
>Czechs killed 3 trilion innocent Sudetenkrauts
>killing of them wasnt justified

>>3370881

See also, the thread about the glass ring with Islamic inscription thread. Dozens of anons blindly swallowed what the OP wrote without clicking on the actual article link. Simply having the link in the post was proof enough for them.

Either that or they were all pretending to be retards.

>>3370746

Not off hand but if you search for "Germanys only crime" it should come up. Was about a month ago.

>>3370901
>>Czechs killed 3 trilion innocent Sudetenkrauts
Obviously Stormfags overstate the numbers but the Czechs did murder thausands.
>>killing of them wasnt justified
It wasn't, they were civilians and there was no screening whether or not they were Nazi war criminals.

The Nazi war crimes were far worse ofc but there is no excuse for what the Czechs did either.

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>>3370945
>It wasn't
Terrorism is enough to get you killed in most nations in the world

>>3370577
>Allies were the first to start bombings.
>It was German land 2000 years ago, so it should be now

>>3370721
They have a new line of defense for this.
>They are two editions of this book, and the quote was from another!
>X guys checked both
>(((x)))

i think this applies to all
i've heard sovietfags saying that invading Finland is justified,that Vietnam was a totally good idea and expanding the war in Korea is going to be fine

>>3371015
>G*rmans chimp out
>end up getting killed
>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
nazis were a mistake

>>3370945
Czechs bent over backwards to accommodate a minority that openly and massively collaborated with Nazi regime.
>>3371090
Tankies and stormfaggots are functionally same. Often they even overlap on some claims.

>look at this picture of a grey human shaped blob pointing a grey gun shaped blob at another human shaped blob, as you can clearly tell, he's wearing a Soviet uniform and holding an Mosin-Nagant, so the Holocaust never happened

>>3371090
It was, Soviets needed to secure Leningrad and wanted to give Finns twice as much territory.

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>>3371135
It's funny how little they know about German uniforms and equipment yet try to act like experts on the subject in order to try and pin it on the Soviets.

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>>3370577
Why do retards on /his/ use "wehraboo" as a synonym for neo-nazi or Holocaust denier?

A "wehraboo' is some guy who thinks AK-47 was simply a copy of the StG-44 or that Poles only had cavalry during WWII.
Basically a guy that overestimates the technical and military competence of WWII Germany and underestimated the other.
Most of these are normalfags who would accept German atrocities but still go for the WWII "aesthetics".
Actual Neo-Nazis are different and go much further.

>>3371152
someone pls post my OC about "those are not Soviet soldiers over Reichtag"

>>3371113
>Czechs bent over backwards to accommodate a minority that openly and massively collaborated with Nazi regime.
(1) Collective punishment is never justifiable, no matter what for.
(2) If you're talking about the Sudeten Germans they weren't a minority, but a majority in their own territories, which should have been autonomous or given to Austria or Germany after WW1 due to the same reason Czechia became independent of Austria-Hungary, the right to Self-determination.

The Nazi-organised terror groups in Czechoslovakia before the Munich Agreement were obviously not tolerable and the way the Nazis conducted the incorporation of the Sudetenland wasn't legitimate, but the people there had a right to Self-determination.

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>>3371169
I gotchu senpai

>>3371137
how could the Finns take the soviet word for it?
they recently annexed Poland on the basis of 'protecting their interest there' and made overtures on the Baltic state to build bases

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>>3371185
thanks
>>3371180
It wasnt collective punishment, those that were loyaly, like pic related Republikanisches wehr could stay if they wanted to.
>Germans they weren't a minority, but a majority in their own territories, which should have been autonomous
Beneš offered them autonomy during the talks before Munich, they refused even when it was their original demand.
>>3371229
Soviets never told Poland to give them lets say Lwow and did not attacked them afterwards.

>>3371256
they've set up sphere of influences beforehand with the Germany
it's pretty clear they had designs on Eastern Europe,it's very naive for you to say that they dindu nuffin

>>3371154
Because it's helps their argument to misrepresent their opponents.

>>3371256
>Beneš offered them autonomy during the talks before Munich, they refused even when it was their original demand.
Who refused? I suspect it was either the Nazis themselves or Nazi puppets in Sudetenland...

Also massacres like Prerau/Prerov or Aussig were just blind hatred and malice and had nothing to do with justified punishments, these atrocities are still not recognized properly by Czechs.

>>3371349
The guy responsible for Prerov was a huge piece of shit. Apparently he was a Nazi collaborator during the war.

>>3370577
My favorite is: Polish bolsheviks massacred ethnic Germans in Danzig.

It's probably the dumbest and most ignorant statement I've read on /his/.

this is the most cucked thread I have ever soon, all of you please kys

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>>3371421
Go back to your containment board.

>>3371421
>this is the most cucked thread I have ever soon, all of you please kys

>>3371421
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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>bomber Harris was a war criminal

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>>3371421
Keep crying.

>>3371349
>Who refused? I suspect it was either the Nazis themselves or Nazi puppets in Sudetenland...
One part was loyal to the Czechoslovak government, the second one shilled for Hitler, quess whcih one caused all the problems.

>Also massacres like Prerau/Prerov or Aussig were just blind hatred and malice and had nothing to do with justified punishments
It was perfectly legal according to the Beneš´s decrees, 3 of my ancestors took part in it, one as a member of the I. Czechoslovak Corps and 2 as members of the RG, there was legal trial before they were shot.

>>3371523
>It was perfectly legal according to the Beneš´s decrees, 3 of my ancestors took part in it, one as a member of the I. Czechoslovak Corps and 2 as members of the RG, there was legal trial before they were shot.

Your ancestors are cold blooded murderers then, the same kind as the SS:

>On June 18–19, 1945, Slovak Germans from Dobšiná village were passing through Přerov while being transported back to Slovakia. Here they were taken out of the train by Slovakian soldiers, taken outside the city to a hill Švédské šance, where they were forced to dig their own graves and all were shot (71 men, 120 women and 74 children).[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn%C3%AD_Mo%C5%A1t%C4%9Bnice#cite_note-1

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>>3371538
>Your ancestors are cold blooded murderers then, the same kind as the SS
One of them is war hero from the Eastern Front, 2 are former Wehrmacht soldiers.
We werent harsh enough against the Krauts, we should have gave them to the Stalin to send them to Siberia as a gift for liberation.

>>3371550
>We werent harsh enough against the Krauts, we should have gave them to the Stalin to send them to Siberia as a gift for liberation.
What the perpetrators of these massacres did was literally the same thing the SS did. The victims were civilians who were not proven to be affiliated to Nazi crimes in any way. If you seriously believe that is just or something to be proud of, you should be ashamed. How would you think of Germans if the deeds of the SS were celebrated today?

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>>3370577

>Muh multi-racial SS!
>German-Muslim alliance against Jewry!
>The Netherlands and Belgium were conspiring with the Allies!
>George Patton was /ourguy/
>Auschwitz swimming lessons
>everyone who opposes National Socialism is a Jew, a Communist, or both!
>Zyklon B isn't dangerous for human consumption at all!

>>3370620
>Anne Frank used a ballpoint pen!
>Anne Frank was a lesbian!
>You're a kike shill if you like pregnant Anne Frank pics!

>Poland was the start of aggression
>Germany was just defending itself

>Operation Barbarossa was a preemptive strike
This one is kind of true. It seems like war between Germany and the USSR was an inevitability by the start of the war. If the SU attacked Germany first it also would have been a preemptive strike.

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>>3371494

>>3371565
Yes, they were, there was a trial where local Czechoslovak population confirmed that they were war criminals, terrorists and traitors.
>>3371581
There is literally not a single proof of Stalin ever wanting to strike first.

>>3371650
Was that story true about the one German soldier who deserted and went to Stalin to tell him about the invasion plans? Then got killed?

>>3371713
I read about those Soviet tanks that apparently were made for the type of terrain that was in the west. And how his armies were located close to the German border.

But then again apparently Stalin was very surprised to learn about German attack.

>>3371650
>There is literally not a single proof of Stalin ever wanting to strike first.
Except SU building up offensive equipment and not giving a shit about defense.

>>3371795
Are you telling me the Molotov line was deploying Offensive pillboxes?

>>3371793
>were made for the type of terrain that was in the west
What type of tanks senpai, Soviet tanks were well known for huge track so they were useful for muddy terrain except for early tanks in 30´s like T-26 that were still best of their class in the world.
>And how his armies were located close to the German border.
They werent you nigger, they were in 3 lines that were meant to be defensive.
>Except SU building up offensive equipment
war isnt android turn based game, there is no such a thing as "offensive euipment", there is only defensive equipment, aka fortresses, which is a thing Soviets had

Whether or not Stalin planned an attack before Hitler has got to be the most uselss academic discussion of WWII. And I like Suvorov.

Bumping this thread to keep Turk BBC posts off page one

Also,

>Americans/Brits would have sided if they could see the future

"No."

-Uncle who fought in WW2 when I told him about that

>>3371933
Yeah they show pictures of Europe in the 30s (or sometimes a peaceful looking scene from German occupation) then juxtapose it next to photos from present day and wonder if those veterans regret "siding with the jews" and not having their countries invaded.

>>3371650
>Yes, they were, there was a trial where local Czechoslovak population confirmed that they were war criminals, terrorists and traitors.

Even those 74 children?
Give me a break and just accept the fact that those relative of yours were monsters.
Ffs, I can understand killing Nazi operators, but burying alive 70+ children is absolutely unjustifiable.

>>3370881

>She

>>3371948

I showed him a few of those memes, his response was the folks who make those memes should try walking through a burnt out city and smelling the dead and pulverized cement before they start complaining.

shit bearaboos say
>lol germany deserved the wave of rape lol THATS WAHT U GET LOL XDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>3371421
DO IT

>>3371955
>burying alive 70+ children
t. Jacob Gobbelberg
Youngest were 14 years old terrorists from Hitlerjugend

>>3372018
The war was over and those traumatized kids could have been reeducated (which is what happened with, you know, all the other German kids who survived).
Stop trying to justify mob mentality and the act of mass murdering children ffs

>>3372087
>it wasnt ok to hang those Hitlerite criminals because they could have been reeducated
t. KIDF
They were terrorist bandits that fought against the Czechoslovak government and people, they deserved to die

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>when you have nothing to argue so you need to have a safe space thread where you circle jerk with other moron who keep get BTFO in every thread
Awwwwww does the little babby need a playmate?

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>>3370652
>Everything that disagrees with me a is LIE
>LALALALALALALA IM NOT LISTENING
The absolute state of liberals

>>3372116
>falling for /pol/ inphographics that can be debunked after like 2 minutes on internet

>>3372133
>Believing the first google result you see and falling for the ad verecundium fallacy so easily
If google told you tomorrow that the Holocaust never happened you'd believe it and think nothing more of it like the sheepish infant you are

>>3372156
Ok senpai, show me a single proof of that part about Kraut uniforms or about killing the civilians, here are scans of order: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=220340

>>3372170
It says it in the post
>This will ignite hatred toward all fascist occupiers and make the conscription of partisans from the outlaying areas of fascist territories easier. It is important to have survivors who will tell about "German atrocities". For this purpose every regiment is to form hunter-units of about 20- 30 men strong with the task to detonate and incinerate the villages. We have to select brave fighters for this action of destruction of settled areas. These men will be especially recommended to receive bravery awards when working in German uniforms behind enemy lines and destroying those settlement outposts. Among the population we have to spread the rumor that the Germans are burning the villages in order to punish the Partisans.
>So it's not improbable that Stalin betrayed all the Polish Partisans after lying to them about their independence
>But it is improbable that they would try to engage false flags to make the Nazis look worse than they already were
Really? Like seriously, think about that for a moment
>The guy who starved millions of his own people to prevent uprisings, shot millions of his people to prevent uprisings, then engaged in mass propoganda campaigns to promote himself wouldn't frame the Germans for crimes they didn't commit

Really.

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>>3372124
Imagine if this picture just said >Systematically murdered

Back to your designated screeching board.

>>3372244
>Back to your designated screeching board.
Right back at you
>>>/s4s/

>>3371154
That could be a case 20 years ago. Now I would say, that there is very small difference between both thanks to Internet, and all available information and sources.
Old Wehraboos either become full
>Germans dindu nuffin
>It was all SS, Wehrmacht was clean
And that quickly leads to stormniggerism or >holohax
or just stopped being them, after they discovered, that Germans were memed into oblivion in popular media.
t. ex wehraboo.

>>3372231

"It sounds like the sort of thing he'd do" isn't proof.

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>>3372116
Why do Stormfags feel the need to lie? No such order exists.

>De Jewz behind Stalin
Stalin was vehemently anti-semitic. The idea that there was anyone "behind" him after the Great Purge is also ridiculous.

>>3372124
>Everything that disagrees with me a is LIE
But that's exactly how Stormfags behave when their bullshit JPG's get called out.

>>3372231
>Literally starve an entire city to death, enslave millions of innocent people in slave labor camps and butcher thousands in reprisals for partisan attacks
>The Soviets apparently need to put on German uniforms and massacre their own people in order to get dirt on you
Stormfags really believe this

>>3373193
Also, almost all religions suffered under the USSR. Many religious leaders that refused to stop their practice were killed or sent to siberia, including tons of rabbis.

>>3371154
because these days quite a large overlap

>>3370577
please stop lumping in wehraboos with actual nazis ok
us wehraboos are a simple people who just want to talk about how aesthetic the tiger 2 is

>nazis losing were the reason we had so many niggers and queers

>>3373258
This. Wehraboos are just retarded. Nazis are retarded with an agenda.

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>muh 300 kills

>>3373296
Nazi pilots were able to rack up a high number of kills, but not for the reasons you might think. For one, the commanders were actually smart with their planes and only tried to deploy them when they knew they had the advantage. Some number was due to the eastern front with tons of inexperienced Russian pilots, but that part was exaggerated a bit. The main factor was that German pilots never got R&R, whereas the allies were rotated frequently. The combined number of all allied pilots and their rotations made it so no one pilot racked up a lot of kills, but the German pilots who fought constantly were basically guaranteed some combat kills.

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>>3370605
>annexing the rest of Czechoslovakia was ok, which was literally one of the first things Hitler did
Try again dumbass.

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>>3373305
Yes, but there definitely was an element of exaggeration that goes well beyond anything any other nation did. Some of what I've heard points to cultural issues - everyone on a mission giving all of their claims to the popular ace they flew with or multiple fighters being credited with the same plane - but there's also the issue of fatigue, which across every country seems to have a big impact on the validity of kill claims.

My favorite example is the Crimea campaign in 1943/44. Barkhorn - 2nd highest scoring ace in history - was credited with 50 aircraft in November 1943. I can't seem to find my sources I had for overall kill claims anymore, but I've seen everything from several thousand claims (including 1,000 to SG 2 and 1,000 to III./JG 52 on its last month in the theater) to a more "reasonable" 1,000 or so. But the VVS never even committed 1,000 aircraft to the theater, and their total reported losses were fewer than 200.

The last month of the Crimea is particularly ridiculous, if not surprising. The 16 planes of JG 52 committed were the only defense against two Soviet air armies, and pilots were often flying more than five sorties a day from sunrise to sunset.

That's a trend that seems to carry over across any campaign where the pilots are particularly taxed, though. The Flying Tigers are supposedly credited with more kills than the IJA ever committed to Burma. Over Khalkin Gol, the rate of IJA over-claiming is consistently higher than the more numerous Soviets, and it only got worse as the campaign went on and IJA pilots were forced to fly more. And in the Kuban in 1943, with both sides flying in incredibly stressful conditions, both the VVS and Luftwaffe claimed something like 2 times the number of aircraft in the theater.

>>3373279
oi
im not retarded m8

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>>3370808
repurposing this for but for North korea

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>>3370676
Archer Maggott or Big Joe?

>>3371430
"Germany could have beat any nation in a 1v1" and "The treaty of Versailles was too harsh" are probably both true. Rest are pretty much shit though.

>>3373326
>wow he made slovakia a puppet state
Is that supposed to be better?

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>>3373229
Bullshit anon.
Pic related is future Israeli PM Golda Meir surrounded by crowd of 50,000 Jews near Moscow Choral Synagogue on the first day of Rosh Hashanah in 1948.

>>3372721
Except whenever I give you proof you plug your ears and try to get me to go away.
>>3373193
>But that's exactly how Stormfags behave when their bullshit JPG's get called out.
Actually it's what people.like you do whenever someone challenges your a priori beliefs.
>Durr Germans committed atrocities under the einzatgruppen in the Balkans , therefore the Russians (who have a history of killing their own people.for propoganda purposes) would never try to stage atrocities or lie
>Literal faggots will believe this
Topkek

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>>3370652

I had the original one saying they are Yugoslavia but lost in my dropbox

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>>3374840
Are you implying Yugoslav partisans wouldn't have amassed German arms?
>in my inbox
lol

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>>3374840
>Yugoslavian partisans dindu nuffin
Topkek
>Germans dindu nuffin
Topkek.

Just keep in mind that people on either side of this discussion are being informed by some grainy photo where you can't see and details of the guys face or rifle

>/his/torian """"intellectuals""""

/pol/ is trying to debunk Wannsee now.

>>3374883
>It was not until 1947 that Luther's copy (number 16 out of 30 copies prepared) was found by Robert Kempner, a U.S. prosecutor in the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, in files that had been seized from the German Foreign Office.

Oh wow, look at that, showed up just in time :^)

>>3374894
Slightly too late.

>>3370724

no m8 he's saying they obviously didn't do that

>>3370692
>Discussing Allied atrocities doesn't make you a Wehraboo

sure, unless it's trying to claim the axis nations were ever the victims of any atrocities

>>3371154
>Why do retards on /his/ use "wehraboo" as a synonym for neo-nazi or Holocaust denier?

Because they are usually the same?

>>3372124

>literally all of these either totally uncited or allegedly from weird old books nobody can ever find or prove the provenance or veracity of

>>3370652

you forgot

>angrily claim the holocaust never happened
>immediately after say they hope it happens again or sperg out about DA JOOZ

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>>3373305
I'd say the main reason why Bubi racked up so many victories was not only because of the overexaggeration as you mentionet, but also most of his opponents/victories flew obsolete planes. IIRC there was a website showcasing exactly which planes Bubi shot down, and most of them were LaGG-3s, a 1940 model design. His last victory against a LaGG was in 1944 I believe. Tbqh I'm more impressed by German aces such as Adolf Galland and Hans Joachim-Marseille, even though my all-time favourite pilot is an American.
I'm not sure if Germany rewarded its pilots for victories, because I do know the Soviets would reward pilots for victories, and so would the KMT government if an "American Volunteer Group" pilot would gun down a plane. I might have to check up on that.

>>3374832
>Bullshit
hmmmm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>3374849
The original denier image tries to make the men in the picture out to be Yugoslavians based on the fact that they are not wearing "tactical SS combat uniforms" and the shape of the rifle. Both of these show incredibly poor research on the part of the denier. The soldier is wearing the typical German Schutzpolizei uniform (note the tell-tale dark cuffs.) All other features on the uniform match as well. For deniers to claim the guy at Ivanhorod is a Soviet or Yugoslav partisan either displays their ignorance or is deliberate deception.
The rifle is very likely a Czechoslovakian vz. 24 or similar. Germany made good use of Czech equipment throughout the war, especially to equip SS units and rear-echelon troops.

>>3375070
They also used Czech tanks, too. Panzer 38 (t) comes in mind. T standing for "Tsechische" I believe

>>3370577
>The SS were elite!

the biggest WW2 meme on earth

>>3375108
They did get first pick of new equipment and top reinforcement priority though.

>>3373326
*Czechia
sorry Hans

>>3371523

Your grand granddad killed some of my distant relatives. That's nothing to be proud of. They weren't even Nazis, just social democrat Sudetendeutsche trying not to get genocided.

>>3372018

How come you resort to actual Nazi memes while at the same time condemning the Nazis?

How come you are proud of your relatives war crimes, going as far to justify the killing of fucking 14 year old boys as if they were a serious threat?

Are you ashamed? I am genuinely curious

>>3370792
They make it seem like letting Germany invade, genocide and repopulate Eastern Europe, thus giving them access to the vast resources of the Soviet Union, in exchange for a "guarantee" (not like Hitler had kept any of those before) of the existence of the British Empire is an extremely benevolent and kind peace offer. Why would any British statesmen permit a country, which has broken numerous peace agreements, to gain hegemony over the continent? It makes no sense.

>>3375110
They didn't. They got hand-me downs.

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>>3370595
>it belonged to Bohemia which was a part of Austria
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Austriboos stay out of rightful Bohemian clay!

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>>3371421
((()))

>>3371538
>killed the women and children

What a waste. They could have at least deported them instead or something

>>3370676
Never heard that one.

>>3375723
>implying shooting random civilian men was ok
It's all funny and Bomber Harris memes and shit, but then people like you cry about Stormfags. You're the same kind, excusing and endorsing mass murders.

>>3372231
I asked you to show me on those fucking documents.
Hint: You cant, because it doesnt exist, part about killing civilians in Kraut uniforms is made up stormfag meme.
>>3373193
actualy it does, but its about burning down the villages during the winter so Krauts can freeze to death, it also says that civlians have to be evacuated if possible.

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>>3370743
I agree with that fella.

>>3375734
All i'm saying is even though the genociding was decided, at least they gave some compromise. I know the killing is bad but still

These Czechs just got out of hand from the situation

>>3375803
Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>3371152
That is clearly a Yugoslavian Made mauser.

>>3375510
>going as far to justify the killing of fucking 14 year old boys as if they were a serious threat
>implying 14 years old fanatical terrorist bandit with military training isnt thread

>Germany would have won WW2 if I was Führer with all the current day knowledge
>Churchill declared war on Germany in 1939
>all sources lead to neonazi sites/books
>infographs
>muh KD
Plus the "Germany suffered under the Versailles Treaty!" bullshit, even though almost every paragraph of the treaty was abolished except the Military part.

Wehraboo hypocrisy is the worst.
>"It was impossible for the Germans to kill millions of civilians in occupied territory"
>"The allies genocided millions of Germans!"

>>3375895
>it's impossible to kill 11 million people in 6 years
>but Eisenhower killed a million Germans in a few months

>>3375880
Literally the same way Stormfags argue:
>Implying the Jewish terrorist children weren't a thread
>Implying the Poles massacring Germans and attacking Gleiwitz weren't a thread

Prove that the civilians were war criminals, if you can't, fuck off.

>>3375907
*threat

>>3375901
>"there were only 3 ovens in Auschwitz and it took 12 hours to burn on jew, so barely more than 10k jews were killed during the whole war"
>wehraboo mathematics

>>3375907
>bandit and member of terrorist organization isnt a thread
top kek, even the simple fact that they were Germans was enough to kill them

>>3375925
>>bandit and member of terrorist organization
Which organization? Where are the proofs they committed war crimes?
>even the simple fact that they were Germans was enough to kill them
Please tell me your age and nationality.

>the Volksdeutche were peaceful and dindu nuffin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Putsch

only brainwashed media slaves think dead jews is a bad thing

reminder to hide all WWII history threads like this turd

>>3370596
The Wehrmacht and SS did liberate us

>>3375936
>Which organization?
Hitlerujgend
>Where are the proofs they committed war crimes?
Soldiers that executed them and local civilians confirmed it
>Please tell me your age and nationality.
It seems like that you are autistic, but 24 and Czech and Slovak

>>3375948
Do you subscribe to the school of thought that says that no human life has any value?

>>3374437
No
They couldn't have even defeated Britain 1 vs 1. How could they even hope to defeat the US or the USSR?
Also Versailles was not harsh enough. Note how the other central powers were fractured after WW1. But Germany wasn't despite being recently formed. They had at least twice the population France had, and were left untouched by the war compared to them and Belgium.

>>3375944
>that's what all Germans did. All Germans were Nazis.
"No."
>>3375948 (You)
>>>/pol/
>>3375959
>Hitlerujgend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth#Membership
>That same month, membership became mandatory for Aryans, under the Gesetz über die Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth Law).[38] This legal obligation was reaffirmed in March 1939 with the Jugenddienstpflicht (Youth Service Duty), which conscripted all German youths into the Hitler Youth—even if the parents objected.[39] Parents who refused to allow their children to join were subject to an investigation by the authorities.[40]

>Soldiers that executed them and local civilians confirmed it
I say you're a faggot, that's enough proof you are one? Real proof, I mean.

>Czech and Slovak
Guessed that.
>It seems like that you are autistic
I'm not endorsing mass murders of civilians like an edgy manchild at 24...

>>3375820
The Germans had it coming but at least spare the women ans children

That was i'm trying to say from the start

>>3375972
>The Germans had it coming
Hatred from the oppressed populations was understandable, but the murder of German civilians not proven to be war criminals was not justified and despicable. If you are implying it was justified, you are wrong.

>>3375984
It's not justifiable to commit such act, but it was coming alright

Those czechs wanted justice but got hot and instead applied them to civiliana

>>3376025
Yes, I agree.

>>3376028
That's what i'm trying to say from the start

Man, my english skills are rusty now. Going to practice again, i guess

>>3375970
As i said, not all Germans were expelled, Republikanisches wehr were loyal therefore they had a right to stay, everyone that did

>>3375048
t. retard

>>3370676
lmao

>>3370577
>The Nazis had a good economy
This is probably my biggest trigger because you can be fairly normal yet have zero understanding of economics and still spout this shit.

What reallt gets me is that literally any rational human being would only pick an ideology/historical viewpoint if there were actual reasons for it. It dosent even matter if good reasons or not, but the fact that wehraboos and tankies MAKE UP reasons is utterly retarded. Do they only support their respective ideologies because they like the color red?

>>3375907
>when liberals are reaching and they start legitimizing Nazi behavior.
Making an equivalency between someone taking up arms being a threat, and someone being a threat simply for being a Jew is outright anti-semitism.

>>3375056
>All of these are uncited
If I recall , all a lot of these were claims that came out of the Nuremberg trips against the Nazis

>>3375062
You forgot
>No one does this
And
>What is obvious meme'ing
It's the most common meme on /pol/ ffs
>The Holocaust didn't happen but it should've

>>3376624
>simply for being a Jew
>The only reason Germans hated Jews was just because lol XD and had nothing to do with legitimate complaints about the way Jews have behaved for centuries in Europe
Wow so you really don't know much about what Poles and Russians don't like Jews, huh? You're the type of nigga who thinks that all Jews are just reform Jews, huh?

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>>3370652

>>3376624
The German civilians, including women and children, that were murdered by the Czechs and Slovaks after the capitulation of Germany did not pose a threat and were murdered randomly without trial (they weren't war criminals).

Making an equivalency between randomly murdering German civilians simply for being German and randomly murdering Jewish civilians simply for being Jewish is not outright anti-semitism.

>>3376624
>>3376933
and what I put in a greentext in this >>3375907 post was very obviously not my opinion but the way Stormfags would argue - to show the similarities in excusing and endorsing the murders of civilians.

>>3376933
Yes, there were trials
They were executed for being Hitlerites, not for being Germans

>>3377109
>Yes, there were trials
Show a source.
What I found was this >>3371538, which doesn't sound like a trial to me.

What exactly did the victims of the murders do that justified their killing? (Provide a source, please)

>>3377109
There was a trial after the massacre.

>The case eventually ended before a court. Pazur was first sentenced to 7.5 years in prison, but in 1949 the Supreme Military Court in Prague raised his sentence to 20 years. However, the then communist president, Klement Gottwald granted amnesty to Pazur in 1951, evidently owing to the latter's contacts with communist leaders.

>According to Prerov historian and museum director Frantisek Hybl, Pazur initiated the horrible massacre in order to cover up his own dark past as a member of the Andrej Hlinka Guard, a Slovak pro-Nazi paramilitary unit, and the past of his brother as an SS officer.
The murder was also financially motivated, because it was known that the Carpathian Germans had gold and their bankbooks on themselves. Before being shot dead, they had to take off their clothes and hand everything to the soldiers.

>>3376933
>Slovaks
Don't lump us in with the murderous Czechs. We had no problem with Germans.

>>3377131
>Show a source
http://ftp.aspi.cz/opispdf/1945/009-1945.pdf
>What exactly did the victims of the murders do that justified their killing?
They supported the Krauts during the SNP and were shilling for Hitler in 1938
Source: https://www.google.cz/search?q=Horn%C3%AD+Mo%C5%A1t%C4%9Bnice+%E2%80%93+kapitoly+z+d%C4%9Bjin+obce&oq=Horn%C3%AD+Mo%C5%A1t%C4%9Bnice+%E2%80%93+kapitoly+z+d%C4%9Bjin+obce&aqs=chrome..69i57.319j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>Before being shot dead, they had to take off their clothes and hand everything to the soldiers.
HOW DARE THOSE MURDERERS TO TAKE MONEY FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE SHOT
HUMAN EXECUTION IS WHEN YOU BURRY THE BODIES WITH THEIR MONEY AND GOLD

>>3377186
t. Attila Lakatos

>>3377194
t. Hovnajs Vytlacil

>>3377186
>On June 18–19, 1945, Slovak Germans from Dobšiná village were passing through Přerov while being transported back to Slovakia. Here they were taken out of the train by Slovakian soldiers, taken outside the city to a hill Švédské šance, where they were forced to dig their own graves and all were shot (71 men, 120 women and 74 children).[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn%C3%AD_Mo%C5%A1t%C4%9Bnice#cite_note-1
Good that you see it was wrong, though.

>>3377190
*a credible source, not from the perpetrators. Would you believe Nazi reports on SS crimes?

>They supported the Krauts during the SNP and were shilling for Hitler in 1938
So did not harm anyone or commit a crime, but simply followed a wrong ideology? (Assuming that this is true)
This does not justify the murder of them and their families.

Seriously, how would you feel about it if I told you Lidice were rightful executions and showed you the Nazi Wochenschau as a source?

Admit your countries crimes.

>>3371185
What is even the point of this? Even if they aren't, what are they trying to prove? That Berlin never fell? What?

>>3377207
>woman that was born in 1934 is preparator
>So did not harm anyone or commit a crime
>Killing civilians s not harming anyone
>but simply followed a wrong ideology?
Poor Hitler, he just followed the wrong ideology

>>3377217
>>Killing civilians s not harming anyone
Show a source (that is not the statement of the perpetrators) that the civilians murdered at Prerov killed other civilians.

>>3377207
>under the command of Karol Pazur, born Karol Klauenberg
Yeah.

>>3377242
>born Karol Klauenberg
citation needed
Přestaň dělat, jako by tě zajímaly životy nějákých 265 podlidí.

>>3377256
>podlidí
Show some respect to the dead you piece of shit, I'm not deriding the Czech victims of the Nazis either...

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>>3377256
>he absolutely wasn't a jew, no chance!
>but the people he killed were subhumans, who cares about them!
Gee who could be behind this post

>>3377262
But Czech and Slovaks arent responsible for every tragedy in Europe since 9 C.E, G*rm has to suffer.

>>3377266
what the fuck does being a Jew have to do with the massacre, also show a source that he was... fucking Stormfags...

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>>3377266
>goyim trust me! Jews arent Fifth column of Pan-Germanism, fact that w.. ugh... i mean they speak German and hate every Slav is just a pure coincidence!

>>3377272
>what the fuck does being a Jew have to do with the massacre
Everything. Over 30 victims of the massacre were ethnic Slovaks, by the way.

>>3377281
>hate Germans
>adopt Italian fascism because you idolize Mussolini
>Mussolini ends up allying with the Germans
Gajda sure must've felt like an idiot during his last days.

>>3377281
>>3377288
ah, a Slovak/Czech Stormfaggot fighting another Stormfaggot. Marvelous.

>Everything.
Like what, for example, you fucking retard?

>>3377290
>idolize Mussolini
top kek

>>3377270
Let me tell you you're dumb as fuck if you actually believe this.

>>3377294
He even called Mussolini economically ilitarate because of corporativism

>>3377294
>why would a jew murder white christian civilians, especially LE EVIL NAZIS? such a thing never happened before!

>>3377242
Pazúr was a Slovak fascist as long as Hitler was winning.

>>3377323
back to >>>/pol/, Stormnigger. Show a source or gtfo.
>>3377327
this, from Wikipedia:
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Paz%C3%BAr
>When he was captured by the Red Army in 1943, he quickly became an enthusiastic communist and became a member of the emerging Czechoslovak troops. As an officer and reporter, he then worked with the 1st Czechoslovak army corps alongside Bedřich Reicin. In December 1944 he joined the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia. [1]

>>3377327
He was a jew who joined the Hlinka Guard, and upon defecting on the frontline he became a devout communist pretty much overnight. Also
>Slovak fascist
The HG leadership was either catholic reactionary or national socialist. Not many fascists.

>>3377338
Real Czech and Slovak fascists fought against the Hitler tho

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>>3377338
>from Wikipedia

>>3377341
>he was a Jew
citation needed

>>3377345
[citation needed]
>>3377349
What is this? Are you dumb as shit or don't know what to do when there's a source clearly contradicting you?

Don't know further in an argument?
IT'Z DA JEWZ!!!

>>3377338
I have read about this creature a bit more than wiki says. His family was collaborating with Germans, his brother was in SS, his sister was whore to Germans and he served in the Fast Division. When it was obvious Hitler's gonna lose he switched sides and became a Communist cutthroat.

He was truly a "man of lesser worth" as Czechoslovak justice later found him to be and even his son said he deserved rope.

>>3377374
Being Fascist is loving your country, not sucking dick of Austrian Jew with weird moustache

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>>3377351
The name Pazur straight up doesn't exist among ethnic Slovaks, it's a slovakized jewish name. Another guy participating in the massacre was Bedrich Smetana, born Friedrich Schmitzer, also a jew. The guy who pretty much exonerated Pazur during the communist government and reduced his sentence to just one year (!!!), brigade general Bedrich Reicin, was born Friedrich Reinzinger and was also a jew.

>>3374437
>"The treaty of Versailles was too harsh"
>"Germany could have beat any nation in a 1v1" post Versailles

Versailles was an insulting slap in the face, and not the declawing it was supposed to be. It should've been far harsher.

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>>3377386
>Being Fascist is loving your country
Being Fascist means being quite literally being a cuck, giving up all your freedoms and rights to the ruler.

Loving your country is being a patriot/nationalist, leaving your fellow countrymen their rights and freedoms, and not oppressing them.

>>3377411
Top kek, its not like it means claw, i know guy that has name Hawran, there are exactly 3 people with that name in my country, doesnt mean that its Jewish name you nigger, stop pretending that you know how do Slavic names work.

>>3377420
t. Lolbertarian that learns politics from memebooks written by Rosenbaum
None of these things is synonyme to Fascism

>>3377502
Not a single argument found in your post.

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>>3377507
>Lolbertarian
>Rosenbaum

>>3377527
As opposed to "He was jew because I said so, let's ignore his brother served in SS"?

>>3377527
"Pazúr" literally means claw you nigger, what is so hard to undertand about it.

>>3377560
I know what it means you fucking retard.

>>3377564
Why do think its a Jewish name then, there are about 1300 people with that name in Poland, Croatia and Slovakia. Only because some name isnt in 10 most common doesnt mean its Jewish.

>>3377575
>Polish surnames are the same as Slovak surnames
I don't even know why you're mentioning Poland when we're talking about Slovakia. The name doesn't exist among ethnic Slovaks, period.

>>3377577
Do you have Down syndroem or something? 187 people have that name in Slovakia. Btw the most common Slovak name is Horváth, which means Croat, but iam sure you bealive that its Jewish.

>>3377620
*syndrome

>>3377420
>t. cosmopolitan profit chaser

Post more helicopter memes, lolbert

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>>3377577
>Roman Pazúr. Manažér FK Poprad
Is this man a Jew?

>>3377620
Lipa (linden tree) is also a surname of over 100 people in Slovakia but it's a generic slovakized jewish name. You're acting as if I just decided the name is jewish because it's uncommon, while in reality it's jewish because it's fucking jewish. It's pretty much stereotypical. Klauberg/Klauenberg became Pazur, Steiner became Skalak, Roth/Rothstein/Rotenberg became Cervenak.
And you still haven't explained why you brought up Poland. Was that just a temporary brain fart on your part or are you this retarded all the time?

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>>3370577
>Hitler never wanted war
>All of his wars were justified because ethnic cleansing of Germans
>Although he had conquered half a dozen countries by mid 1940, Hitler totally wanted peace
>the Brits were the warmongerers, honest!

>>3377692
>You're acting as if I just decided the name is jewish because it's uncommon, while in reality it's jewish because it's fucking jewish.
nice argument, i think that my name Hrabec is Jewish too because its fucking Jewish. Visit a doctor or something dude.

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>>3377742
>Although he had conquered half a dozen countries by mid 1940, Hitler totally wanted peace
>Ignoring anything previous to 1939 and ignoring the whole history of the Pan-German movement to make Hitler seem like he just wanted to conquer the world
BEADY

>>3377753
Nice reply Schlomo.

>>3371793
>I read about those Soviet tanks that apparently were made for the type of terrain that was in the west.

This is a pants-on-head retarded theory though, the BT tank series could operate without tracks on roads. Wehrboos take this and essentially postulate "soviet tanks could use wheels, ergo they must have been made specifcally to invade Germany because Germany had ROADS!"

>And how his armies were located close to the German border.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_Line

Stalin, being indecisive as he was, made the bad decision of uprooting his already unfinished Stalin Line and trying to construct an entirely new set of defenses on the new border with Germany in 1939.

>>3377758
Iam done, internet should be banned for mentally ill. I think that you see Kikes everywhere just because you are non-white American nigger with huge nose and ""German"" name like Goldberg.

>>3377756
>by September 1939 Hitler has annexed, Austria and Czechoslovkia, and declared war on Poland
>but he totally wanted peace

>>3377692
Lad...do you have any proof that Pazúr family was somehow Jewish, apart from baseless speculating? And would you kindly explain to us how could Jews enjoyed such a warm relationship with German that Julius Pazúr could have joined waffen SS? Or how could Pazúr survive the antisemitic trials in the 50s and enjoy high reputation as "antifascist fighter" if he was a Jew?

Seems to me you are a liar.

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>>Ignoring anything previous to 1939
You mean when everyone was bending over backwards to appease Germany

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>>3377780
>Still ignoring the history of pan Germanism to make it seem like Hitler just wanted to conquer Europe
EYED

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>>3378122
>Ignoring the conflicts within Czechoslovakia and Poland and STILL trying to portray Hitler as a world conquerer and not simply desiring a Pan German States
ANGLOS

>>3377214
It's parodying the stormfag yugoslavian rifle picture

>>3377756
>>3378217
>>3378228
Repeating "pan-Germanism" like a charm won't refute what he said.

>>3370707
>a guy on /pol/ literally told me
And that's your source. A person on 4chan. Come on nigger, fucking think.

>>3378468
yeah it's almost like the entire point of this thread is making fun of retarded shit people on /pol/ say, come on nigger, fucking think

>>3372006
>killing to get revenge is acceptable but revenge rape isn't

>>3378474
Yeah, I'm a dumb nigger. This is why you don't drink and shitpost.

>>3378487
everyone makes mistakes anon, just try to do better next time

>>3378497
Yeah, won't be taking shots every time I see the Eternal Anglo meme.

>>3370577
>Operation Barbarossa was a preemptive strike
but that's true

>>3370595
That was the primary justification for almost all of the pre-war annexations. They absorbed Austria, and then laid claim to former Austrian lands

>>3378455
Except it does? If Germany wanted to conquer the world why didn't they just take France after the Franco Prussian War? What's the point of having Slovakia be a puppet state if they ultimately plan to conquer it- in fact, why guarantee their independence to begin with? It's almost like National Socialism was just a more militant incarnation of Pan-Germanism , and Hitler's only actual goals was to unite all German people under a fascist state.

It's really that simple. They never had plans for world dominance, period. The Germans invaded Norway for the same reason Britain invaded Iceland - because they were afraid the other was going to do it first.

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>A "wehraboo' is some guy who thinks AK-47 was simply a copy of the StG-44 or that Poles only had cavalry during WWII.

Both of these are true though. In fact your whole post is a strawman fallacy; The Nazis may have been bad guys, but their science was top-notch, due in large part to their lack of morality.

They had the best rockets, tanks, planes, guns, basically everything that mattered. Soviet soldiers are reported as seeing Nazi experimental airplanes and thinking they were alien spacecraft. Only problem was, they lacked the steel to make the shit. If they had been the size of the US or Russia it woulda been game over.

Same for the nukes; if it wasn't for hitler's slowing of the program, Germany 100% could have had the bomb before the US. That's why they took german scientists to the US after the war.

I'm not a racist, but you'd be a fool to discount the most frighteningly technologically advanced enemy the world has ever seen.

>>3379530
>their science was top-notch
Literally no. They had minor advantages in two areas - rocketry and high-speed flight - and otherwise were lagging in every area that mattered. And even then, their advantage was marginal. The Soviets of all people were fairly close with rocket science and German high-speed flight research was notoriously and fatally flawed.

Why do non-german wehraboos even exist?

Also wehraboo hate spam on /his/ has made me hate them more than actual wehraboos.

>>3379530
No one was even remotley close in liquid rocket engines.Jets were done better by centrifugal british engines vs jumo axial compressors but there was nothing like V2 anywhere else

>>3370577
bombing of dresden was a warcrime though, even churchill and eisenhower admitted this... and I've read mein kampf, it's shit...

>>3370808
Kek. Yeah, that's a common stormtard argument. "B-b-but Hitler wanted peace..." Of course he wanted peace. On his terms. After killing a bunch of people.

>>3379327
>why didn't they just take France after the Franco Prussian War?
Because that wasn't possible? Seeing how Alsace alone was a pain in the ass. And it's not like the UK, Russia would allow Germany to do so.

>>3379629
>Umm no, everything was lacking because I say so :DDD
>Let's just ignore their nuclear programs and medical experiments
>You know, the Soviets also had rockets
Back to /leftypol/ you go

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>>3375063
Can't beat Kurt Knispel when it comes to being the Ace of something

>German Tank Ace
>deadliest man in mechanized history with 168 confirmed kills
>All of them in the Eastern Front
>went down fighting with his men, remains weren't found till 2013
>Had difficulty getting promoted because he always shat on Nazi POGs
>all he wanted in his life was a little adventure

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>>3379530
The army with the most frightening contrasts is more appropriate

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>>3370577
I get pissed off by smug historians who get pissed off by online revisionism despite their views being the prevailing narrative in academia.

There is absolutely no reason for you to get pissed off when normies believe EVERYTHING you do.

Youre not radical, youre not edgy, your views are STATUS QUO, so quit bitching faggot.

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>>3379756
>their nuclear program
Ah yes, the one that was fatally flawed from the very beginning and wasn't even where the Americans were in 1941 by the end of the war?

>muh medical experiments
While the horrifically unethical medical experiments may have provided some useful data for niche situations, it's hardly all that impressive. Even Unit 731 was more "advanced" and more useful in that regard.

Anon, not everyone who doesn't blindly jack off to Nazi Germany is a commie.

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>>3379734
>Of course he wanted peace after he took over the world LOL
Stormfags > Britaboos

Holy shit the delusion is real
>Germany just popped out of nowhere hating jews FOR NO REASON AT ALL and just convinced millions of Germans to try and conquer THE WHOLE WORLD just because ummmmm like lol

Like I keep having to say to people, Hitler wanted a Pan-German state and nothing more. The reason the war started is because of Britain defending the Polish and not just allowing Germany to take Danzig from the League of Nations , on the basis that they didn't want Poland to be a land locked country and didn't want to give Germany another port city. After denying the ultimatum and realizing that Britain was going to stop at nothing to prevent German Unification, Molotovs Ribbentrop happened and Poland was invaded by Germany and the Russians

You can at least try to understand where the anti- semitism came from instead of thinking "Hitler just needed a scapegoat and there was no other possible reason Germans and Jews didn't get along" as well. History is not so simple that a definite evil boogeyman emerged and committed atrocities out of sheer malice. It doesn't work that way.

>>3379775
>Ah yes, the one that was fatally flawed from the very beginning
No, the one with Werner Heisenberg in it that mainly focused on nuclear power and not nuclear weapons , though they did have a nuclear weapons program?
>Unethical experiments
That also made leaps and bounds changing our medical knowledge forever?

Sorry pal, Nazi science went beyond the Americans inviting over Germans to work on NASA.

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What about the German space program, lead by their first astronaut; Michael Wittman?

>>3379530
>That's why they took german scientists to the US after the war.

Um, fuck no that's not the reason why. The greatest portion of German scientists and intellectuals taken during Operation Paperclip were for rocketry and related fields. Many other like ballistics experts and physicists were also stolen. America didn't give a shit about nuclear scientists, because they already had all the German ones that were worth a damn even before the war started. What America was after were people who knew how to throw things the furthest, the fastest, and with the most effective delivery system.

America had nukes. They needed rockets to fly them to Moscow on, which is where a full half of the extracted scientists from Germany came in. Rockets. NASA. Conventional explosives.

Who the fuck wants nuclear advice from the guy that couldn't figure out how to design any nukes?

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>>3378549
explain how it is?
>>3379790
>hitler was a good boy
>he only wanted his big german state and nothing else
top wew lad

>>3379800
>they did have a nuclear weapons program
Nobody's saying they didn't. It was just fundamentally flawed from the start because the Nazis had the brilliant idea to politicize science and declare aspects that were fundamental to a nuclear program to be "jewish."

>That also made leaps and bounds changing our medical knowledge forever?
That's quite the overstatement. The experiments occasionally did have their uses, such as the hypoxia experiments or those with hypothermia, but for every medically useful one you had uselessly sadistic ones like sewing twins together. And there were many that straddled the line of useful and sadistic - they may have produced useful results, but were done in a way that was needlessly dangerous to the patients and brutally sadistic.

Unit 731 was similar, but it provided far more useful information.

And I assume we're just going to ignore things like the fundamentally flawed German high-speed flight research?

>>3379815
>Hitler wanted to rule the world because ...umm... Fuck off back to /pol/ that's why
Wew lad right back

>>3379800
>That also made leaps and bounds changing our medical knowledge forever?

Can you tell exactly how it made leaps and bounds? Or you will perish like a wehraboo lapdog as you are?

>Sorry pal, Nazi science went beyond the Americans inviting over Germans to work on NASA.

>Nazi
>science
Pick one and one only: the nazis were somewhat good at engineering, but they did jack shit for science.

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>>3379845
>sewing twins together
Ah yes another great myth, right next the holocauster, the electric floor that would disentegrate bodies, and this next list of things that were unironically claimed by different prisoners
>>3372124

>>3379869
clearly he outlined his retarded belief in Mein Kampf

>>3379874
>Can you tell exactly how it made leaps and bounds?
Lot of research on genetic diseases, pharmaceuticals, and surgery. Bit inhumane , of course but is still made leaps and bounds. They were the first to strongly correlate smoking to cancer for instance.
>Dude I don't like Nazis therefore all their """science""" was shit
K pal

>>3379891
Which was to unify Germany you moron. Which part of Mein Kampf said
>We need to take over the whole world , after we invade Britain it's onto Canada, then after North America... SOUTH America.
>We r legun

>>3379845
>were fundamental to a nuclear program to be "jewish."
A lot of this being the fact that they believed Einstein to be a patent thief. Which is actually true, E=MC squared was originally invented by an Italian.

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>>3370577

>it's a /leftypol/ calls on /pol/ holocaust denial bullshit episode because somehow that proves that capitalism is shit and communism is good

>>3379899
>Lot of research on genetic diseases, pharmaceuticals, and surgery.
I still don't see any sources.

>Dude I don't like Nazis therefore all their """science""" was shit
Except it was. If you can prove that nazis made at least one significant scientific research, I will believe you. But still, you didn't provide any link to any research that uses results of nazi experiments.

>>3379909
Still, it's a pretty retarded logical leap:
>Some Jew stole a critical part of his theory
>Therefore everything related to what he did is Jewish science and therefore evil

>>3379790
Hitler got away with re-militarizing the Rhineland despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing Austria "democratically", despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing the Sudetenland despite this territory belonging to a sovereign nation. He got away with swallowing whole the rest of this sovereign nation next. And now he was trying the same thing with the territory of another sovereign nation - the Danzig corridor in Poland.

>B-but it's the Anglo's fault!

>>3379909
>Einstein is a patent thief
>E=MC squared was originally invented by an Italian

Anon, please, don't speak on matters you have no knowledge on.

>>3379919
Could you point out the part where OP mentions anything related to /pol/, /leftypol/, capitalism/communism fanwank or the holocaust?

>>3379899
>They were the first to strongly correlate smoking to cancer for instance
That's a bit disingenous statement. First person to connect tobacco smoke and lung cancer was an Austrian Jew and there were people before him who connected tobacco smoking to lung cancer. Hitler's contribution to the field was the fact he was a nonsmoker who hated smoking and financed efforts to demonize and eradicate tobacism.

Sources:
>http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/21/2/87
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3640840/

>>3379530

>Trinity test: 16th July 1945
>Operation Overcast/Paperclip
:20th July 1945

Yeah, they were totally after the nuclear scientists...

>>3381996
Did you find that on (((wikipedia)))?

>>3382011
So you agree with him? Great for you.

>>3382011

Is it incorrect?

>>3380090
Are you fucking serious dude? Im not that guy, but i distinctly remember that we have a rocket program because of nazi scientists scooped up by our research programs. I learned about that in 8th grade. Not to mention we know WAY more about how the human body works because of Nazi experiments.

If you cant into google, you dont deserve a source from that guy.

>>3382078
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/nazi-research
Since you can't seem to substantiate your claims, here you go. The vast majority of medical experimentation was unscientific and often needlessly brutal and sadistic. Several experiments merely confirmed things that were already well known at the time, and overall, the only things that were all that medically useful (read - provided useful results that couldn't have been gathered more ethically) are the experiments related to high altitude exposure, hypothermia, and salt water dehydration.

>>3378122
That the death toll was worth the large gains acquired by scientific fields.

That there would be no space flight today without the Nazis.

>>3382192
Talk about retarded opinions

>>3370722

>and we would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you damn Bolsheviks and those American lend lease supplies!

how i imagine krautboos think.

>>3371650
AS much as I wanted to say he would have, Stalin was actually extremely surprised and went into depression when he heard that Germany invaded

>>3375968
Britain had something the rest of Europe didn't have, a protective channel. Along with naval and air superiority they held off the Germans for a while, but what about if Germany held their own D-Day to storm British beaches. Could the British successfully defend it?

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>>3383962
>but what about if Germany held their own D-Day to storm British beaches
Behold; the might of the Kreigsmarine

>>3379530
Science /= production

You can have the best tanks, planes, and even an unstoppable guided missile, but none of that matters when you're slowly cranking out a few each week and the enemy is pumping out thousands of tanks in the same amount of time.

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>>3378228

Hitler pretty much had a Pan-German state by the end of March 1939. If that was all he wanted, then that's were he would have stopped. There was no reason for him to invade Poland in September 1939.

>>3375110
While that was true, it was because were nazi butt-kissers rather than consisting of the best of Germany. In fact, they consisted of the worst of Germany, criminals, street thugs, louts and delinquents who were selected based on how willing they were to commit atrocities.

>>3384031
Later in the war when Germany became desperate, yes, but the SS early on in the war had to earn their title of being a panzer unit

>>3379629
>he Soviets of all people were fairly close with rocket science
except that one time uncle Stalin decided to purge the engineers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_space_program#The_Germans

>German high-speed flight research was notoriously and fatally flawed.
lel no. Just because they came up with basically a flying bomb doesn't mean all the rest was shit. They were years ahead of the allies when it comes to high speed aircraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan#Development

and no you don't have to be a nazi apologist nor a wehraboo to appreciate the German contributions to science

>>3384090
>lel no
Lel yes. They had some niche advances in high speed flight that they never applied on an operational platform, swept wings being the biggest thing. However, their understanding of transonic flight as a whole was fundamentally flawed due to flawed wind tunnel data.

>b-but muh Me 262
Had swept wings because the engines were heavier than expected, so Messerschmitt swept the wings to account for the changing center of gravity.

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>>3384117
swept wings are quite a big deal in that speed range family, so i wouldn't exactly call it a "niche advantage"

> However, their understanding of transonic flight as a whole was fundamentally flawed due to flawed wind tunnel data.
[citation needed]. And even if so it wasn't probably that bad considering the Swedes used their data for the Saab 29.
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swept_wing#Development
>The idea of using swept wings to reduce high-speed drag was developed in Germany in the 1930s. At a Volta Conference meeting in 1935 in Italy, Dr. Adolf Busemann suggested the use of swept wings for supersonic flight.
But i guess they had completely no idea of what they were doing

>Had swept wings because the engines were heavier than expected, so Messerschmitt swept the wings to account for the changing center of gravity.
>A swept wing isn't a swept wing because of muh cg
but memes aside i've done some searching and i've never found conclusive proof it was 100% done to adjust for the cg. Do you have some solid sources?
There's also this little thing you see on pretty much any high speed aircraft built after the 50's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_rule#Germany

But yeah i guess it's all "fatally" and "fundamentally" flawed because of reasons. also I'm going to bed now, i'll check the archives as this thread is over the bump limit

>>3384207
>Area Ruling
The information I've seen seems to show they were definitely on track to discovering it - the general idea of moving volume around to reduce wave drag was there. But the problem was the wind tunnel data - according to my one professor, their transonic wind tunnels gave them terrible data. Everyone had that issue at the time because slotted tunnels weren't a thing until postwar, but it seemed to have the biggest impact on the Germans.

>Me 262 wing sweep
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262#Origins
End of that section.

Granted, there were plenty of Nazi German designs that had swept wings specifically for high speed flight. But the Me 262 was not one of them - the sweep wasn't even enough to provide an advantage.

>>3384031
>In fact, they consisted of the worst of Germany, criminals, street thugs, louts and delinquents who were selected based on how willing they were to commit atrocities.
Not really true for all of the SS. Perhaps you're thinking of the Dirlewanger brigade.
Most of people who joined the Waffen SS.
The Leibstandarte Division (at least early on) did not recruit from convicted criminals and I'm sure it's the same for many other divisions as well.

>>3384031
Only towards the end of the war.

>>3383962
Germany was not ready to invade Britain. They would've got their asses kicked. War games conducted after the war ended showed the same result.

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>>3379790