Was Stalin right to order the mass rape of German women?

Was it an order or a "hey, if it happens it happens"

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Objectively speaking? Yes

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Well I mean after what happened to the Soviet women, it's just turnabout.

>>3358135
Absolutely not. Mass rape was too good for them, they should have all been shipped back to Russia where they would become the sex slaves of Soviet veterans.

He didn't order the rape of anyone.
Soviet soldiers could be and indeed were executed on the spot by their officers when raping german women, so they had to do it sneakily

>>3358144
I don't agree with your point, Russian women were attractive and obviously of more worth than German women.

>>3358150
>sneakily
Whoops my penis slipped in, how did that ever happen?

>>3358137
A little bit of both.

>>3358155
this, German women are totally worthless, I wouldn't even call it a rape

>>3358156
Clearly he means the Russian soldiers had to sneak the German women away and slip their penises in their semi-willing "victims".

>>3358135
I absolutely hate the German people and wish they had stayed partitioned, but no mass rape is never "right".

But its not like the German women didn't want it.

>>3358135
He didn't order it, OP, it just happened.

Wartime rape is the nature consequence of a poorly disciplined conscript army sacking a city.

How many Germans living today are Russian rape babies?

>>3358314
I think it is sometimes overstated, clearly only 30-40% of modern Germans are descended from Russian 'rape'

>>3358314
less than 4%

>>3358150
No, it was ordered and then claimed to be forbidden. Disgusting, godless bastards.

>>3358314
Very few, most of those who weren't killed in the process committed suicide aftermath.

>>3358135
He didn't ordered anything, slavs were subhumans who behaved like middle age troops. Actually the only order from the soviet command was in order stop these crimes.

>>3358135
Fuck, why do people rape. I'm not even a chick and that shit makes my stomach churn

Just fucking kill them, don't rape them you fucking monsters.

>>3358345

then that makes war boring

Considering how long humans have existed we all had ancestors who were raped at some point

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>>3358135
> Was this mass rape good?

>>3358345
Stop being such a pussy.
>oh no he put his pee pee in my hole, this is truly a fate worse than death.

>>3358345
feels good man

wasnt that Marshal Zhurkovs order.

>>3358363
>raping an undeveloped child which often causes severe bodily harm and is often done by a group is fine because thinking otherwise would make me look dumb in front of my MGTOW faggo friends

>>3358322
>>3358327
Russian troops only raped their way to Berlin, which is far east in Germany. Even if they raped ALL the women in this small area and if 10% of them gave birth (they were not all in age of giving birth and they were not all in their risky days), there would be a ridiculously small number of russian childs. Considering a lot of them died, suicided or aborted, there is actually just a handfull of Germans descendent of Russian soldiers.

>>3358345
Several reasons
>in the horrors of war rape comes off as rather "normal"
>most soldiers are young boys, and young boys are horny as shit
>to the victor goes the spoils mindset

It was for the best

>>3358376
Bit sexist to refer to women as "undeveloped children" isn't it?
They will live on and get over it. My mother was violently raped, i'm glad she's not dead and so is she.

>>3358362
What are the arguments that it was bad?

>brainwashed communist drones
>rape

lol no

>>3358414
are you asking why rape is bad?

>>3358384
It seems a little bit optimistic to claim that most superior Russian fetus just randomly died, were aborted or grateful German women just randomly suicided, have you got a citation for this?

>>3358418
I was far more specific than that.

>no lewd photos of german and soviet women

>>3358423
>What are the arguments that [mass rape] was bad?

>>3358430
Specifically mass 'rape' of German women during the end of WW2 ordered by Stalin.

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>>3358414
My argument is that rape is bad you autistic melon.

>>3358449
So is not stopping your country from invading and inciting mass rape in another country, you can't honestly say those women were innocent unless you have evidence every single one protested the Nazi government.

>>3358402
Underdeveloped children were raped too, you know. Deluded MGTOWfaggot

>>3358470
Only gently.

>>3358475
Holy fuck, why don't you just go back to /r/eddit you deluded bearaboo?

>>3358420
>have you got a citation for this?
Statistics.
Also that's the women who died, not the fetuses, they were simply killed in the process.
Although abortion was prohibited, 80% of registered medical acts in summer 1945 in the soviet sector was an abortion.
About 250.000 women died or suicided.
Helke Sander/Barbara Johr: BeFreier und Befreite
Seidler/Zayas: Kriegsverbrechen in Europa und im Nahen Osten im 20. Jahrhundert
Let's be realistic, there is almost no Russian baby left.

Does /pol/ honestly believe the Nazis never raped anyone and they were the good guys?

>>3358470
So what? They have their whole lives to get over it.

>>3358483
>MGTOW delusions
yes anon years of trauma that MIGHT eventually be resolved is perfectly fine because muh dick
Бoг зaхoчeт! *гoлoдaeт*

>>3358483
>*stabs u and breaks ur arm*
CYKA BLAT! U HAV HOEL LYFE TU GET OVER!

>>3358478
What's a "bearaboo"? Sounds like plebbit jargon to me and an attempt to ignore the central issue here.

>>3358511
russaboo

>>3358479
So no actual citation then.

>>3358507
Yes i do, glad my arm is broken and i'm not fucking dead.
Now i have the chance to live a happy and fulfilling life.

>>3358512
I hardly think making an objective and rational assessment counts as "russaboo".

>>3358468
> "but-t-t she deserved it!"
Rape is bad. There are no exceptions to that rule.

>>3358518
>objective
>rational
Back to /r/eddit

>>3358515
Not my fault if you can't read German...

>>3358521
Why not?

>>3358516
You seem to have autism, or are extremely sheltered. Even breaking your arm through misuse is traumatizing, having somebody break it is worse.

Now imagine you're a 12-year-old girl who has been hearing about violent and lusty invaders for months, and they finally come, murder your family, and rape you for hours.

Yes anon that's totally fine, daijobu, no biggie.
Find a rope you MGTOWcuck.

>>3358524
It's a sad day when you think being objective and rational is 'reddit' go back to /r/eddit.

>>3358526
Actually this is an English speaking board and you still didn't provide a citation.

>>3358530
>Now imagine you're a 12-year-old girl who has been hearing about violent and lusty invaders for months, and they finally come, murder your family, and rape you for hours.

Sounds like fun for a german girl.

>>3358533
Objectivity is impossible. Rationality is a /r/eddit meme. No, rejecting 'enlightenment' memes isn't 'sad'

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>>3358543
You can stop being edgy now.

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>>3358529
Because rape is for uncivilized animals and autistic melons like you.
And argument that raping someone because some other person of the same nationality raped someone of my nationality is retarded.

>>3358549
That's a philosophically and scientifically dubious claim

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>>3358543

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>>3358544
>Objectivity is impossible.

>>3358530
It's not about whether it's bad or not it's about whether or not it's a fate worse than death, it fucking isn't.

>>3358552
>Because rape is for uncivilized animals

So you agree that Stalin was right to order the rape of German women. Look at OP's pic.

>>3358556
>philosophically
Who cares what some masturbators think
>scientifically
Who cares what some redditors think
>>3358561
You're the redditor, though.

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>>3358533
> "raping kids is ok because they'll get over it"
> being objective and rational

>>3358563
>it isn't because im le meaningless atheist man
>XDDD U HAEV HOLE LYFE TU GET OVER XDD
MGTOW delusion
'death' is not a bad thing

>>3358569
Nice try, Reddit,

>>3358573
No one said they would get over it. This is a strawman.

>>3358574
Holy fuck, i wasn't even trying to make you mad.
No i don't think temporary pain or trauma is worse than dying. Sorry faggot, but life is long and people are capable of moving on.

>>3358579
No, you literally said that.
No, one does not live a fulfilling life after losing everything and being brutally violated and possibly impregnated by foreigners.
You're ridiculously sheltered.
*cuts ur arm off*
U HAEV HOEL LYFE TU GET OVER, GO TO NORMAL NOW. CYKA BLAT!

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>>3358567
> So you agree that Stalin was right to order the rape of German women. Look at OP's pic.
What even is this? OP's pic looks like a bunch of underage girls, which is even more disgusting. stop being edgy.

>>3358581
>temporary
ITS LE TEMPORARY SO IT DOESNT LE MATTER XDDD

>>3358536
>butthurt uneducated murican
lol
Here is a citation: "According to the register, 80% of the operations carried out in Senftenberg during the summer of 1945 were abortions. At a time when abortion was illegal." Georg Messenbrink
Happy now?

>>3358585
No I didn't.

>>3358591
See: >>3358475
>>3358402
>>3358363
>>3358581

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>>3358586
They look like they are in their 20s

You must have meant these fucktoys for Russian soldiers.

>>3358581
> temporary pain or trauma
> having psychological issues for the rest of your life due to being brutally raped a foreign soldier
We are reaching levels of autism that shouldn't even be possible.

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>>3358595

>>3358607
Stop replying. The worst injury he's sustained was a fucking splinter in his thumb or a torn foreskin from overmasturbating.

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>>3358600
Nigga they look 15, what the fuck are you smoking?

morally: no, no one should be raped let alone a full scale order of rape be issued

realistically: yes. To the victor go the spoils in war and depriving his troops of the women wouldve undermined his power over them

>>3358607
>implying you don't get over psychological trauma
>implying every woman who gets raped ends up with ptsd or something
My mother was violently and repeatedly raped by her husband, she ran away from him and became homeless.
She got over it and now enjoys herself quite a lot.

>>3358595
Only two of those are my posts.

>>3358621
>husband
Not even remotely the same you fucking retard, unless she was a child bride.

>>3358619
>realistically: yes. To the victor go the spoils in war and depriving his troops of the women wouldve undermined his power over them
Back to /r/eddit

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>>3358612
We're talking about raping 12 year girls
>>3358516
>>3358530
not a fucking splinter in your thumb you mongoloid

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>>3358619
>people are spoils

>>3358615
They look closer to 30 than 15.

>>3358615
>15
>with those legs
>with those knees

>>3358631
I thought we were talking about German women, when did we start talking about people?

>>3358621
> raped by your husband
> raped by a foreign soldier when you're 12 years old
yep I can't see the difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUZ8N9mCzLQ

>>3358627
Why? If anything that's an even greater breach of her ability to trust and it's also far more prolonged.

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>>3358631
yes in every war ever people have been counted as spoils, whether it's admitted or not

>>3358641
xD
>>3358646
Yes, I'm sure having one's family murdered is just as bad as a woman who is likely in her 30s and has given birth having a penis stuck in her.

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>>3358637
>>3358632

>>3358649
>now he's belittling rape and bringing up death.
I guarantee many of these women complied with their rape precisely to avoid dying.

>>3358664
>i can't both love young girls and defend them from edgelords

>>3358668
Wrong actually in many cases.
>women
Stop using that word. We're talking about children.

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>>3358670
> i can't both love young girls and defend them from edgelords
> i can't be a pedophile and a white knight

>>3358680
>white knight
Rejecting slav(e) advances is not 'white knighting' you /v/irgin

>>3358675
>we're talking about children
Wrong, you deflected onto that a few posts in.
It doesn't matter, living is almost always the better option because it means you actually have the chance to be happy.
I guess i'm an edgelord for thinking this.

>>3358668
> many of these women complied with their rape
They weren't given a "do or die" choice. Someone grabbed them, raped them and continued on his way to Berlin.

>>3358685
You're moving goalposts.
Your point is that they have their whole life to get over it.
Despite having no family and being made asocial through violation.
Yes, that's a 'happy life', as if 'happiness' is a fucking goal.
You're fucking delusional, you sheltered brat.

>>3358680
>pedophile
>>>/r/eddit

>>3358683
Wait, so soviet soldiers are now edge lords?

>>3358685
*cuts off ur arm*
CYKA BLAT
U BE GOOD LIKE NEWS TOMORROW, JUST SLEEP OFF
This is literally your argument/

>>3358699
The slav(e)s are in the thread, Anon.

>>3358693
> loving young girls
>>>/b/

>>3358690
I'm saying something about rape in general, it is very common to comply out of fear of death.
>>3358691
>no family
Because all germans were killed except the women who were raped?
>rendered asocial
Possibly, but it's something she can get over eventually.
>you sheltered brat
Notice how i haven't acknowledged any of this childish namecalling

>>3358600
Dude, they are clearly in their teens. Are you a gypsy or what?

>>3358703
Literally not my argument lmao.
I would happily live on without a fucking arm though.

>>3358712
I'm from /a/ actually.
>>3358714
>Because all germans were killed except the women who were raped?
No, but many were. Are you ignoring the possibility?
>Possibly, but it's something she can get over eventually.
How do you know? Are you just projecting, because you are incredibly sheltered and have never experienced trauma?
See: >>3358703
Sure, you 'might' get over it eventually, but you still lost a fucking arm. Stop belittling it you fucking slav(e).
>Notice how i haven't acknowledged any of this childish namecalling
You're the childish one here, brat. Acknowledging it would mean acknowledging that you're a sheltered child that has never suffered in his life.

>>3358607
>having psychological issues for the rest of your life
waah waah get over it

>>3358704
There are also communists, pedophiles and people defending mass rape, so I think we should all abort this thread.

>>3358726
>happily
I AM SO HAPPY TO NO HAVE ARM
NO BIGGIE, THANK YOU FRIEND, I APPRECIATE
>>3358730
I'm not a pedophile, though.
The slav(e)s are the ones defending mass rape, and are likely the communists too.

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>>3358727
> I'm from /a/ actually
That explains the pedophilia.

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>>3358742
It's not pedophilia, slav(e)

>>3358735
> slav(e)s
> I'm Czech
> muh feelz
Why are you doing this to me anon?

>>3358727
>No, but many were. Are you ignoring the possibility?
I doubt any had no family left to go to unless they all lived in the same village or something?
>How do you know? Are you just projecting, because you are incredibly sheltered and have never experienced trauma?
People learn to deal with deep psychological trauma all the fucking time, i had a conversation with my psychologist just yesterday about how her vietnam veteran patients learned to deal with the trauma they experienced there.
>Sure, you 'might' get over it eventually, but you still lost a fucking arm. Stop belittling it you fucking slav(e).
I'm not, if they came to my house and chopped my arm off i'd be glad they didn't kill me instead.
>You're the childish one here, brat. Acknowledging it would mean acknowledging that you're a sheltered child that has never suffered in his life.
Yea i guess watching your mother being beaten and raped at a young age and being homeless a number of times is pretty fucking sheltered senpai.

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>>3358135
>Was Stalin right to order the mass rape of German women?
Yes.

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>>3358746
Ohhhh noo...

>>3358762
>young age
30s isn't young, slav(e)

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>>3358770
She's 14, Anon. Daijobu

>>3358762
>people eventually might get over trauma according to a quack
>that means that its fine, they had it coming! do it again bomber harris LMAO XDDDD

>>3358135
He didn't make any such order, but should have tried to enforce more discipline on abusive soldiers. War rape is only as widespread as a division's military culture allows it to be.

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>>3358780
If you're older than 16 then it is Anon

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>>3358791
No, Anon, that's not how it works.

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>>3358793
22 year old man can't be with a 14 year old girl anon

>>3358339
It wasn't ordered. You're full of shit and blinded by ideology.

Read about ISIS or the conquest of Mexico or the Thirty Years' War to see fervently religious men exhibiting identical sexual tendencies.

>>3358797
I started doing exactly that when I was 24.

>>3358807
>any of those
>religious

>>3358782
Nice try you pathetic child molesting fruit.

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>>3358819
I'm none of that though
>fruit
I'm not gr*Ek, either.

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>>3358812
OK. I'm going to kill myself now. Bye.

>>3358824
If you're attracted to anyone under the age of 18 you are a paedophile. You deserve to be in prison you sick twisted evil monster.

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>>3358839
Please do, slav(e)
>>3358841
Wrong.
>ae
why would I care what an *nglo thinks?

>>3358345
When an army conquers, historically one of the spoils of war are women and don't tell me it has never crossed your mind when you see a really hot girl walking alone at night an animal impulse to just take her. That's why we have reason and the social contract so those obscure thoughts remain as that.

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>>3358868
>/r/eddit arguments
People aren't spoils, Anon.

>>3358841
(You)

>>3358870
People have been spoils of war in 99% of all wars in human history, the fuck are you talking about?

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>>3358878
>they are treated as so so it's right
Illiterate retard

>>3358135

>race mixing with krauts

russians are fucked in the head desu

>>3358881
he never said it was right, just that it happens

>>3358870
People have always been spoils of war, read the Old Testament for example, it's not nice but it is what it is.

>>3358894
This faggot seems to consistently be unable to understand that.
Pedophiles have substantially lower IQ than the rest of the population so it's not suprising.

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>>3358894
>>3358895
>this means they are spoils
I'm not surprised that history/anthrocucks are philosophically illiterate.
>>3358903
Stop projecting you boy-molester. I have years of meme girls that I can post. You won't win.
Also, I'm not a pedophile.

>>3358909
nice attempt to change the subject of the argument again
i hope youre trolling cause this level of retard is just sad

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>>3358915
>anything i dont like is trolling
You're arguing that because something is treated as so, that it is.
Just because you've been treated like a man before, doesn't mean you are one.

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>>3358929

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>>3358950
>upset old hag

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>>3358958

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>>3358975

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>>3358983
>tfw no shortstack jc gf

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>>3358990

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>>3358600
>You must have meant these fucktoys for Russian soldiers.

>All these 12 year old tankie scum on /his/

>>3358440
so rape is okay as long as it's german women?

>>3358150
>Soviet soldiers could be and indeed were executed on the spot by their officers when raping german women, so they had to do it sneakily
>Rape of Berlin
>multiple survivors note how they complained to Russian officers and were told that it was just something to accept
>one survivor was specifically told that they shouldn't complain because worse was done to Russian women and children by the Germans

>>3359074
>one survivor was specifically told that they shouldn't complain because worse was done to Russian women and children by the Germans

good point
its just sex. retarded prudes should grow up already

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>>3359088
>its just le sex xdddd violent gang rape of a 9-year-old girl that is likely to lead to death is just le sex xDdddDd
MGTOWcuck fuck off

>>3359130
as expected, cinderella slut posters are the worsted

>>3358150
the officers were balls deep in german pus too!

>>3359088
I'm sure you would be saying the same thing after getting raped up the ass by eight guys in prison

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>>3359163
How is the purest girl a 'slut'?

>>3358150
>Soviet soldiers could be and indeed were executed on the spot by their officers when raping german women, so they had to do it sneakily

Not according to Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Any German women they found was raped then killed.

>>3359237
Stop posting this retarded gook shit. 2 nukes were too good for them.

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>>3359264
>burgerfat propaganda
You must burn for your warcrimes.

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>>3359163
>slut
>implying you wouldn't want her firm bosom squeezed against you

>>3358135
Is this like, some kind of right-wing cuck fantasy where they obsess over big stronk communists sexually punishing over-dominant right-wing waifus while totally ignoring the fact that war is hell and Germans were no nicer to the Soviet Union when they were the ones who started the war by invading in the first place?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Rapes

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>>3359382
Oh look, the slav(e) is back!

this is probably the worst thread I've ever browsed on /his/
great job, faggots

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>>3359417
triggered slav(e)

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>>3358135
What a shitty thread entirely composed of shitposting
So anyone got a source for the supposed orders, or anything at all really ?
The usual numbers about the rapes in berlin is around 100.000 and is derived entierly from the abortion statistics in one hospital in Berlin, pic related, and then anaticaly deduced from it by two historians Sander and Johr, and then taken up by Beevor. It shows that between 1945 and 1946, 9 children born from russian rape were born in this hospital. But deducing all the rapes from this hospital alone is pretty weak.
About the soviet high command "allowing" or even ordering these rapes the only document i am sure about is the directive from the Stravka No. 11072 Signed by Stalin and andropov
http://gistory.livejournal.com/233025.html
(you can put the text in google translate it should be vaguely comprehensible)
Which clearly states otherwise.
If anyone has more documents about it it is most welcome since it is pretty hard to find.

>>3358135
>"raping" a g*rm

You'll tell me that putting them down is "murder" next!

>>3359582
HAHAHA XDDD SO LE FUNNY XDDDDDDDDD

>>3358135
>order the mass rape
Did I miss the memo? In 1944 Stalin ordered a specific order, saying that "It's not the German population, it's the fascists are our enemies" or something like that.

He didn't. There was simply no incentive not to and the Soviets were animals.

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>>3358549
daily reminder that "person" behind these posts is pic related

What is going on here?

>>3359937
lithuanian weeb /r9k/ bitch had a mental breakdown

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>>3359919
No, that isn't me. I'm a leaf.
>>3359949
I had a 'breakdown' today, but it wasn't in here.

Dud, who woudnt rape this good, kaukasian, aryan women?

>>3359239
>Alexander Solzhenitsyn as source
Anon, I...

>>3359560

Thank you for trying anon.

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>>3359239
>Alexander Solzhenitsyn

>>3359949
lithweeb doesn't post on other boards, though
t. knower

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>>3360848
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What's wrong with Solzhy?

>>3360848
>>3361115
back to /leftypol/

>>3358807
I talked with quite some eyewitnesses of lower Austria and damn, are you wrong.

If the order ever existed or not, it was broadly tolerated in the first month of occupation by the vast majority of Russian officers. I heard these stories quite at a young age and my view hasn't changed since then, that the Slav is an inferior human being to the central an west European.

>>3361249
He wrote fiction and sold as "historical literature".

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>>3361298
>Slavs rape the same as Germans, therefore they are inferiour

>>3361298
>I talked with quite some eyewitnesses of lower Austria
No you didn't, /pol/tard.

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>>3361309
> Solzhenitsyn was lying
Take that back bucko!

>>3358762
Dave is that you?

Good thread, OP. You've got people riled up about the righteousness of rape.

>>3361447
Thank you, I'm very pleased with this thread.

>>3361249
Less reliable than Elie Wiesel. Both wrote novels consumed by Anglo audiences as fact.

>>3358368
No, he wanted Berlin served to him on a plate

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>>3358135
This thread has really pissed me off.

HOW THE FUCK CAN CHRISTIANS THINK IT'S OKAY TO RAPE WOMEN?

>>3358274

No, wartime rape is a common occurrence that all armies regardless of their quality partake in. Many French women were raped by US soldiers during the retaking of France and the French and their colonial troops took to raping Italian women during the Italy campaign.

>>3362169
It's 4chan. What other level of discourse did you expect when OP created this bait thread?

>>3362169
Nobody thinks that, it's teens being edgy

>>3358470
Would you rather
>Being raped in the ass by a tankie rough
>Being smashed in the head or stabbed by the same tankie

I don´t know will but I prefer rape, latter I deal with this shit and the harm, but it is better then being dead

>>3358135
no, but the women deserved mass rape

Nazis came saying they will destroy the commies and protect the German women. Their reward is getting raped. It's the only way they'll learn that Nazis don't protect shit.

>>3359074
>German woman: b-but I was raped
>Russian officer: start shit; get hit

>>3362776
Tankies do both, you idiot.
>>3362948
Fuck off tankie shit.
>>3362955
I didn't realize that civilians caused wars.

>>3363001
Democratic citizens choose their governments and Wiemar Germany choose the government that got them raped. If they choose a different government it probably wouldn't have happened.

I know you want to live in a world where there are no consequences for political choices. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world.

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>>3362169
It's public cuck exhibitionist masturbation, anon.

It's right-wingers imagining stronk communist slavs forcefully penetrating qt Naziboo hotties while they watch helplessly. The majority of us are sane enough to realize that mass rape is one of the horrible realities of warfare on that scale, even in non-Christian places.

>>3358155
unironically this

>>3358135
this is the greatest thread of all time

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>>3363519
Indeed.

>>3362169
Those hijab lolis are very cute, now I know why mohamed developed those tastes.

>>3358150
>implying rape hasn't historically been a weapon.

Ya dun goofed.

>4chan virgin fagits despise women so much they reach back in history to negate their butchery and rape

>>3363041
>democratic citizens
Oh look, a brainwashed slav(e) trying to justify his offense in the face of God.

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>>3362169
>Stalin
>christian

>>3358135
they had to suffer, 25 million russians died at the hands of nazi scum, what do you want them to do? raping a several tens of thousand nazi whores isn't even that much of a revenge

the french didn't name it "rape" when they pushed their women to sleep with the american soldiers after d day

>>3358155
This plus German women were desparate for cocks because they didn't get laid for six years.

>>3366068
quick rundown of world history

>>3358135
No