Fixing Europe

Implying the 19th, 18th, or 17th centuries were any less of a clusterfuck

Napoleon should have won

I disagree with Greece. I also don't see how making Germany like that supports what you said but I have only given it like 6 seconds of thought. Why did you make those two countries like that?

>>3283769
Portugal should join Spain, don't give them more land retard.

>>3283788
Greece I gave some of the areas of Anatolia were there was a Greek majority before 1920. As for Germany, I probably should have made it smaller but since there is a lot of conflicting data on the populations of the border regions I was a bit generous to avoid what happens when Germany wants to "liberate" its countrymen from foreign rule.

>>3283769
I would unite everyone in one centralist state.

>Big Germany
>Free Bretagne
>Wtf about mountainnigger
>Poland without all the major polish land.

Everyone know that peace in europe mean a weak germany, stop the meme.

>>3283769
Thanks for another World War, goy.

>>3283769
Why does everyone always divide the UK in these threads?

>>3284261
For the same reason that france is always without half of it land, because that the only way thaht their grossgermany can win against the ally chad in ww1
.

>>3283769
>Balkanizing east Slavs, south Slavs, Caucasus, UK, and Scandinavia
>Not balkanizing HRE
Fuck this meme, Otto.

>>3283769
>greater germany
>greater finland
>greater greece
Are there any surer signs of autism?

>>3283769
Tier list of AH:
Paradox autist tier:
Germany win ww2
Paradox pop history tier:
Germany win ww1.
Plebe tier:
Roman empire still exist.
Good tier:
White russian win civil war.
Patrician tier:
Napoelone win all the coalition wars.
God tier:
The 1848 revolution win in germany, kleine germany happen(without prussian autist).
/his/ tier:
The Angevin win the HYW then France become emperor of the HRE and end like Austria, but do not fail to stop the reformation and end as the Karolinger Empire.

>>3284313
GOAT tier: England succesfully becomes a Habsburg state as it was destined to and the world is united under an Universal Habsburg monarchy

>>3283769
>any year after ~1850
Impossible. You have to go back to at least Carolingian Empire.

>>3283769
GROSSSGERMANIA LMAO AMIRITE GUYS

SCOTLAND FREEDOOOOOOM LOOOOL

CONSTANTINOPOLE TO GREEEEKS SAVE THE CHRISTENDOM IM THE CRUSADER EPIIIC

go and fucking kill yourself and never post on this board again

>>3283769
This map makes it really obvious that you do not know shit

>>3284313
>Germany win WW1
>pop history tier
It would have been a good thing and you fucking know it.

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This is a map of the historically verified distribution of the sami languages (within the black lines), by 1850 the samis made up the majority in maybe half of it. So giving the samis all that is obviously not correct by any standard.

>>3284248
mountainigger?

>>3283769
Any map that splits up the British Isles is a bad map. Ireland should still be fully a part of the UK.

>>3284478
switzerland

>>3284499
He got it right, it shouldn't exist.

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Another map that balkanising everywhere in Europe but joining everything in großGermanium

>>3284406
No. Cry some more Hans.

>>3284506
>The only working confederacy, modern direct democracy, and multicultural state shouldn't exist
t. /pol/

>>3284540
>multicultural state
>should exist

>>3284548
>t. /pol/

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>>3283769
>t.

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>>3284559

>>3284484
The natural political state of British Islands would be:
>ireland split into at least 4 different parts
>independent scotland
>greater london as an independent city state

>>3284248
T. Jewish intellectual.

Fuck off EU cuck.

>>3284622
This

Germany as a state should cease to exist.

Eastern Ukraine and Crimea should return to Russia.

That autistic border division in Scandinavia should return to what it is now.

Finland should have Karelia returned to them.

Greece should retake Constantinople.

>>3283769
Ill shoot the next one that makes a big sami nation

>>3284652
Just giving them a nation at all is stupid desu

>>3283769
Another american who thinks he knows whats best for Europe

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>>3284386
this. I fucking hate those memes.

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>>3283769
assuming the peoples of 1850 lived in the same place as they did in 1907, create states along the ethnic borders of pic related, let small peoples like Basques, Welsh and Sorbs decide wheter they want independence or not.
Let states which are based on something else than ethnicity like Switzerland be independent if they choose to. Basically let the peoples decide for themselves.

Create a union of all countries that guarantees the borders and assists a country in case another one attacks.

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>>3285280
>a union
*or rather an agreement of all nations that only guarantees sovereignty and aid in case of an attack, no EU bullshit or the like.

>>3284569
>irrational fear of muslims

>>3285280
>that comfy basque republic

>>3283769
>uniting ireland but partioning britain
>independent brittany
>portugal absorbing galicia
>le basque and catalonia
>italy gets corsica
>that fucking Germany
>seriously, that Germany
>4 states instead of 2/3 in Scandinavian peninsular
>Belarus
>Independent Crimea
>Balkans are Balkanised
>Greece gets lands it's not controlled for 600 years
>Russia gets no warm water ports
>the fucking STATE of the Caucasus mountains

>>3285280
>lill-ryssar
Låter så jävla dumt

>>3284313
>Patrician tier:
>Napoelone win all the coalition wars.
THIS is at least as stupid as Paradox autists.

>Insulting others for being autists.
>Post in /his/ map painting thread.
Get self aware kiddos.

>>3283769
I'm sorry but I do think you suffer from the homoseksuality
>>3285401
based Sorbs

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>>3285401
>Icerael

>>3283769
I personally think that Britain should be united, excluding the Irish of course

>>3284622
Wrong

>>3284386
Eh. I almost divided Germany into the north and south, but I figured I needed to stop balkanizing at some point. I gave Greece areas that were majority Greek, and I gave Scotland independence because it triggers Lindybeige.

>>3284446
Good point. As I said, this was my rough guess. I thought about just making the Sami and Finland the same, maybe I should have.

>>3284569
I didn't remove Turkey from existence, nor did I create once giant Muslim state.

>>3285280
This is basically what I was going for.

In case it isn't obvious, this is half-serious and making everyone go full autist.

>>3285521
>I thought about just making the Sami and Finland the same, maybe I should have.
Are you serious? The sami and the finns are as similair as englishmen and germans, estonians are much closer. You might aswell make one huge Finno-Ugric state.

>>3285545
>estonians are much closer
to finns

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>>3283769
fixed europe

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>>3285401
>icerael
Wtf, I like jews now

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>>3285556
basque here, I would like to remain in spanish kingdom tyvm

>>3285556
why had albania annexed montenegro but not kosovo? lmao

>>3285601
because kosovo belongs to serbia

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>>3283769
>Europe
>Ever being fixed

The peace we're experiencing is abnormal, Europeans will always be slugging it out with each other when left to their own devices.

>>3285556
I know it was probably not intended but it would be pretty cool to have a spread out island state in the Baltic sea

>>3283801
They were not the majority just a very big minority.

>>3285624
>fuking warlike europeans
The only reason the rest of the world stopped going to war with each other was because they were ruled from Europe but oddly enough they started again once we left

>>3285972
>but oddly enough they started again once we left

I guess old grudges don't go away, it makes me wonder how long Europe has before they go back to the good ol' days

>>3285991
>I guess old grudges don't go away
Most of the time they were civil wars, you do not hold old grudges with yourselves

>>3285598
Also Basque here. No. Nice try Pablo.

>>3283769
Just put everything in germany if you want your /gsg/ autism.

>>3284313
>God tier:
>The 1848 revolution win in germany, kleine germany happen(without prussian autist).
Frankfurt parlment best parlment.

>>3284622

What the fuck is this autism?

>>3285991

Once Muslims and Africans are kicked put expect the Euro map autism to kick off again.

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>>3283769
>Dividing Britain
>Implying the English wouldn't immediately conquer the rest of the British Isles because of a stronger economy, larger population and superior scheming

>>3285401
>Goyland
LMAO

>>3283769
>Balkans-tier everyone except the countries I like

If English speaking Scotland and Ireland should be seperate based on nothing but their dislike for English people than that map should have a lot more countries on it.

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>>3283769

>>3283769
carving up the ottoman empire among ethnic lines, leaving smaller states with less manpower and resources to be able to join in and prolong world war 1

carving up the austro-hungarian empire among ethnic lines, as the ethnic tensions (especially in their adriatic regions) culminated in the assassination that set in motion world war 1

mostly its about preventing world war 1 and thus preventing world war 2 desu I'm not motivated enough to expound on that and start detailing how I'd change the borders in the rest of Europe

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>Britain decides Ulster's not worth the trouble
>Stalin decides Konigsberg is better in Poland
>Khrushchev doesn't steal Crimea
> Brits give Greece Cyprus in WW1
> Western Allies accept the Stalin note.
>Denmark gets rid of useless colonies
> Stalin doesn't take Moldova
> Armenians and Azeris are swapped instead of genocided
>Germany keeps Stettin

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>>3287614
fixed it

>>3285346
Låter ju gulligt ju

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>>3288520
>namnlös
>Swedish empire
baserad

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>>3288554

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>>3288588

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>>3283769
tried to make it as un-autistic as possible

>>3288640
It's not autistic, it's just fucking stupid

>>3288640
>un-autistic
>That

>>3288389
Ulster explicitly chose to stay with the UK because they were majority Protestant, though.

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>>3283769
Fixed Europe for you

>>3289457
There are small bits of it left.

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>>3288389
>a perfect Europe doesn't exi-

>>3289680
>germany still owns "schleswig-holstein" aka SLESVIG-HOLSTEN
shit map

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>>3289686
Damn, also gave Frisia to the Neth.

>>3283769
ITT: Butthurt Anglos and Frenchies

>>3289302
Ulster isn't majority Protestant, even with the gerrymandered borders of Northern Ireland it's about 45% Catholic.

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Make way for the real perfect Europe

>>3289759
Retardation at it's peak

>>3289779
?

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Here you go. Almost the entire world united under harmonious European hegemony, with any kind of possible threat within Europe contained. If you told me you wouldn't want to live in this world, I wouldn't believe, and at the very least I'd request you to explain me why.

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>>3283787
This. Fucking Anglo autists and their obsession with balance of power on the continent.

>tfw Europe will never be ruled by enlightened despots

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>>3289827
>I'd request you to explain me why.
Because the idea that a unified German nation state being a threat to peace in Europe is a meme, and deep inside you you know it.

The issue with Germany in the past was always the form of the state and the inability to prevent irresponsible leaders from taking power.

I think every nation should have the right to self determination, though in the last centuries I could see the benefit of colonial empires due to the low level of development in certain areas (only with benevolent rulers ofc).

My idea is this:
>>3285280
>>3285293

>>3289961
*the idea of a unified German nation state being a threat to peace in Europe

>>3289798
Why in the name of God would Britain own 3/4 of France ?

>>3289827
A beautiful world to be French.

>>3283769
>Großdeutschland
> peace
Why not just hand it Bohemia too, you memer?

>>3290039
these were ethnic German lands, why shouldn't they belong to Germany back then?

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>>3285556
>>3288389
>>3289457
>>3289684
>>3289709
If Czechia and Slovakia isnt united, its not perfect Europe.

Someone post the canton thing that encircles Vienna. Autism at its finest

>>3290068
>>>/hr/2975934

>>3290043
>Switzerland
>ethnically German
>Alsace Lorraine
>Ethnically German
>submitting Bavarians and Austrians to protestant stupidity

And even if all of that weren't retarded, you said the goal was to make a piece of Europe, which an expansive Germany would not do

>>3290091
*a peaceful Europe

>>3290047
Czechoslovakia is a meme union

>>3290077
thanks senpai

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>>3290091
>Switzerland
he only included the ethnic German parts, I'm not saying they shouldn't have their own state if they wish... but it's (ethnic) German land.

>Alsace Lorraine
was ethnically German except for a tiny bit in the northwestern until 1918/1945.

>submitting Bavarians and Austrians to protestant stupidity
ethnic Germans, but you're right, southern Germans should lead the country (or anyone but Prussian aristrocrats really)

>an expansive Germany
no, having a state on your own land is not expansion, and with a decent state and government there's nothing wrong with a German nation state.

this all is considering the German areas prior to 1945, ofc.

>>3290105
You're welcome.

>>3290103
Its the most working union ever

>>3290136
*fails to work twice*

>>3290141
dank meme, literally no one wanted it

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>>3289827
>>3290022
Or Polish. Or Spanish. Being one of those, I'm getting hard just looking at this map.

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>>3290132
>was ethnically German except for a tiny bit in the northwestern until 1918/1945.

The people west of the Rhine are French people brainwashed by a few centuries of German domination. They happily rejoined the motherland in 1794, liberated from their overlords, and given equality of all people before the law, an independent judiciary and the universal right to vote, as they deserved. And today they would be as French as any other Frenchman if the British and Germans hadn't meddled.

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>>3290609
>The people west of the Rhine are French people brainwashed by a few centuries of German domination.

When the French and German nations arose, the French settled far further west than today, the French only gradually conquered the areas up to the Rhine over centuries.
At the time A-L was incorporated into the German Empire, over 85% spoke German, only 11,5% spoke French.

I know many on /his/ are Frenchboos but either provide a source or stop lying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine#Demographics

>>3290652
They have provided sources in the past but it's all a bunch of bullshit

>>3284313
>implying germany didnt win ww1 in real life

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>>3287604
Man its gonna be a bloodbath

>>3289748
55% is still a majority.

>le ebin samiblob
All those lands were majority Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian even in the 19th century

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>>3290185
>1993, months before the dissolution
>30% of czechs wanted it to fall
>32% of slovaks wanted it to fall
>literally 70% of czechs and slovaks wanted to remain a union
>"literally no one wanted it"

are you joking or just retarded

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>>3290141
>falls to foreign invasion due to the west offering us up as a sacrifice to the g*rmans
>collapses due to western-backed havel being a leftist faggot and pissing off people and post-communist politicians not knowing what they're doing and bickering

if you want a non working union go to yugoslavia - a country filled with albino niggers not the white, functioning, prosperous and wealthy czechoslovakia mate.

>>3290954
i said no one wanted it to fall you nigger

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>>3288588
>namnlös
>sverige
HANREJ
HANREJ
HANREJ
begå självmord
HANREJ
C
U
C
K

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I don't know enough about the Middle-East to change anything there.
Lighter shades indicate autonomy.
Greater Finland would have autonomy for all Finnic and Sami tribes. Although the autonomy would mostly be cultural.

>>3291269
A few adjustments:
Independent Slovakia
Transylvania should be autonomous, but I don't know the correct border, so I include Banat.
Crimea should be Ukrainian
Bulgarian-Greek border in Thrace should be adjusted (more of Edirne to Greece)
Mezzogiorno (incl. Sicily) should be autonomous

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>>3291269
updated w/ >>3291177's
map
Russia would have autonomy for all non-Russian nations and tribes.

>>3290047
>Yugoslavia
>Arbitrary division of Slavic Macedonia
>Arbitrary land given to Czechoslovakia and Poland
>Arbitrary Hungarian land given to Romania
>Russian Empire without Poland or Bessarabia, but with Prussia

>>3289827
>Ingria is in Russian hands
>Old Livonia is back
>Vilnius is in Polish hands
>Yugoslavia

>>3289709
Imo Muslim areas should be Croatian. Serbs hate Muslims, Croats and Muslims have generally gotten along well. Ante Pavelić, the Poglavnik of WW2 Croatia, considered Muslims to be the "Heart of the Croatian nation".
>random Latvian and Estonian areas given to Russia
>no Belarus
>Small Ukraine
Finland could be bigger. A Greater Finland that doesn't even reach Äänisjärvi ain't a Greater Finland at all
Why is Southern Germany 3 states?

>>3291405
muh Pruzia

>>3289827

Finally a decent map.

>>3283769
I'd rather die than be Dutch

>>3289759
Lol its so illogical that fixing the borders wouldn't be possible at this point ... Perfect

>>3289720
Calais?

>>3290047
You belong to hungary and deep down you know it ...

>>3291331
>>3291269
>>3289759
>>3289709
>>3289684
>>3285556
whats with people triying to destroy spain every time this threads come up? are you always the same guys doing it over and over or what

>>3291643
totaly, go back to Mongolia

>>3290907
45% in Northern Ireland not in Ulster. Counting the remaining three counties of Ulster makes a Catholic majority.

>>3288640
Are you high, anon?

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>>3291221
>Han läser inte ens tråden
>>>/int/
ellr
>>>/pol/
eller var fan du nu kom från, äckel

>>3283769
Yours is almost perfect, but Prussia should be independent, and Morocco and Libya should be United.

>>3288640
Estonia is wrong. Morocco should exist.

>>3290047
Fucking ugly

>>3285609
So does Montenegro

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Geographical map with imposed borders

>>3289759
I don't know what tf this map is but if I have to look at it for one more second I might kill myself

>>3284313
Chad tier:
Harald Hardrada wins, turns England into a Nordic country, thereby wiping the eternal stain of Albion from the face of the earth, avoiding all world wars and tragedies which came from her.

Full Sykes-Picot. Alsace-Lorraine is its own country, Prussia and Austria are one country without the rest of Germany, etc. When you have a war between nations, both can use their entire country to create new methods and weapons to wage war with, which is how we went from firing lines and cavalry to machine guns and nuclear weapons. Part of the reason the Middle East is the shithole it is today is because countries are fighting themselves and tearing down their own infrastructure more often than they are fighting each other.

>>3291728
Autonomous areas =/= destroying Spain.

>>3292636
>Bosnia still exists
>Belgium still exists
Eugh.

>>3285322
>Implying this isn't the Kingdom of Navarra

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>>3291405
>random Latvian area
Read a book, nigger. Pic related

>Ukraine and Belarus
Both non-countries

>Finland
You have to account that fuckall finns live in "Greather Finland". It's mostly slavs now.

>Why is Southern Germany 3 states
South germans (B-W and Bavaria) should've never joined with northern niggers in G*rmany in the first place

>>3293702
Russians stole the land. So what?
Russian minorities in Latvia and Estonia (exception being the Old Believers, but they never had large numbers) are very new, they only immigrated after 1945.

>non-countries
What makes you say that? Ruthenia and Muscovy have historically always been seperate. Today they're artifically closer due to the Soviet Union and its policies of Russification.

>>3289457
why the hate for romania tho

>>3289457
Why did you delete all of Bosnia?
If you hated Muslims, you wouldn't have deleted Serb and Croat areas (which form a very significant area of BiH)
If you hated Serbs, you would've deleted Serbia.
If you hated Croats, you would've deleted Croatia.

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>>3283769
unironically this

>>3295232
Poland is missing Right-Bank Ukraine.
Swedish-Russian border should be adjusted in favour of Sweden.
But besides that, pretty good.

>>3295232
there are soon more norwegians than danes, so if anything it is denmark and iceland that should be under norway

>>3283769
IMO just a fucking Federalist Austria-Hungary, whites winning the russian civil war and no nazi autism and you have a more or less perfect europe.

>>3295232
Im a francaboo so give them corsica and savoy and its perfect.