Egregious, stupid or hilarious historical innaccuracies

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Ryse, Son of Rome is a favourite to bash.
"Let's take stereotypical Segmentata legionaries, fuck everything up, add edgy patterns designed by a 14 year old and make sure the Scuta are sized for ants"

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And let's not even bother with the """"""Barbarians"""""".
Note how they gave this Celt a Germanic name.

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>>3214877

And while we're talking about pop-culture barbarians, here we have some "Picts"

Deadliest Warrior is a pretty good one. All the so called experts weren't experts at all, they just matched the ethnicity of the warrior they represented and could pose for montages by "training" in their gym.

>watching the episode with the black army guy expert
>takes out a manlet knife and says that it's not about size, it's how you use it
>in his demonstration of the knife, he chimps out and starts hacking away at the dummy while screeching like a howler monkey
>dr. Dorian walks up afterward, finger blasts a stab wound and confirms that the mutilated gel head would be a dead guy if it were a real boy

>>3214889
But they were cool, they could run night and day and had no problem to slaughter their own kids just to put some pressure on their opponents. Also they had a badass makeup and haircut. I wish they were like that.

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>>3214907
Don't forget the ZOOLOO!!!

Fuck me that shit was cringy.

Meanwhile, here we have the latest Ass Creed game, and it's idea of what Ptolemaic soldiers looked like.
So yeah, supposedly they wore Corinthian helmets, strapped Thyreos shields to their arms, carried swords that don't really resemble anything that ever existed outside of a JRPG.
They appear to also have had a tendency to strap all sorts of shit to onto everything. Little tusks on their helmets, random bones and tusks hanging everywhere, and of course the token tartan bits to make them look Galatian or something. Oh, and the token big retarded asymmetrical shoulder pad, for that Van Darkholme S&M look.

I'm fine with artistic licence and all. I'm not a guy who goes nuts about minor inaccuracies. However, I think that everyone can agree that compared to how Greeks, Egyptians and Galatians actually dressed, this can only be described as looking fucking retarded.

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>People believed salt was more valuable than Gold in the classical era
like haha nigga it's literally everywhere

I know it's fiction and everything, but I never can get used to the way Arrakh swords are represented in the HBOs Game of Thrones. I know there's million of other things they got wrong, but Martin clearly meant that they should be curved the other way, like an ottoman yattagan, or whatever the anglo spelling is correct

>>3214995
Holy shit! New Vegas 2??

Like bro it's just a show who cares if they got it wrong.

[spoiler] god this arguement annoys me, if a movie had ww2 tanks in ww1 people would complain yet this shit is fine?[spoiler]

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>>3215547
>if a movie had ww2 tanks in ww1
I can't watch Battle Of The Bulge without getting triggered by this, these are meant to be Tiger II's and the Chaffees as Shermans is retarded, fucking lazy props department

>>3215566
It's in Patton too. It's pretty much the only thing about Patton that makes me angry.

>>3215566
Seriously, at least get some plywood, paint it, and stick it to the tanks to make them look remotely like a Sherman or a Tiger II. Wouldn't be good but would still be a hundred times better than what they actually did which was nothing.

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>>3215613
They can look passable, this is a T-34 modified by some Yugoslavs

>>3214848
Don't have the image, but that black soldier in Dunkirk.

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>>3215617
It was the 1950s, people didn't give a shit.

Actually they didn't up until even the 90s. But nowadays the audiences are a bit autistic with that thing and so nowadays we have shit from dolling up cheap/existing tanks (like this Panzer plywood shell over a surplus T34 in a Russian movie), or using the actual fucking Tanks themselves like in Fury.

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>>3215682
The weird thing is the Soviets and the rest of the Eastern Bloc were way more concerned with it, I wonder why that was? I know they had a lot of T-34s still sitting around but they put in far more effort to make the German tanks look accurate

>>3215697
Because- in addition to accuracy- Gommunist Europe wanted to really differentiate between them and Nazis who considered them scum?

Also couldn't show your Tanks get BTFO on screen. The non-Commies among you might get the wrong message.

>>3215697
Because the Eastern Front was huge, and there were more people alive at that time who actually had seen these tanks.

>>3214848
the holocaust.

>>3215668
actually based off an unsuccessful tiger prototype from when there was a competition between a few companies to land the manufacturing contract:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VK_4501_(P)

pretty sure i've seen these tigers with the turret too far forward in other films - i think the one in saving private ryan is like this

the bayonet charge scene in we were soldiers. missed out on some cool depictions of tactics just for some hollywood stunt.

>>3214995
>of course the token tartan bits to make them look Galatian or something

But the Ptolemaics were famous for the galatians they recruited as mercenaries.

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who could forget Black Christian Hannibal

>>3214996

The states monopolized salt and they usually used a toxic formula too. The Spanish authorities would look at a reduced rate of salt related poisonings as evidence that the villagers were "counterfeiting salt" which meant simply reclaiming it from the sea. But you won't even see this mentioned in threads on spain, like most history everyone just memes the low hanging fruit.

>>3214889
To be fair they aren't picts but mysterious people further north who were more primitive

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>>3215547
>[spoiler] god this arguement annoys me, if a movie had ww2 tanks in ww1 people would complain yet this shit is fine?[spoiler]
You were saying?

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is this a correct armour for Carthaginians

>>3216229
Assuming its the sacred band, we only have knowledge of their general type of equipment, so it's a decent assumption, but its too fancy for actual battle equipment, unless carthage in this hypothetical timeline is so rich they dont give a fuck.

The wrist bracers are stupid and ahistorical though.

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Let's not forget the bronze-age Egyptians in Rome: Total War

>>3215936
The point clearly was that they're an incredibly shitty depiction of Galatians

>>3217082
Rome Total War is such garbage. I like how their symbol is randomly an Anhk. And the symbol of the "Greeks" is a lightning bolt.

They really did zero research for it. But the main problem is that it was a garbage game compared to both Medieval 1 and 2.

>>3214907
This one? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QHSXZnxLZ0I

>>3217091
The worst part is people hold Rome 1 as the greatest total war ever, going as far as to claim its much more complex and detailed than the newest games.

Fucking nostalgia retards

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>>3217132
Rome 1 did have some things going for it though, it has a simple, but surprisingly refined combat system with a lot of interesting details like pic related.
It definitely does do some things better than games on the Warscape engine, and if you add mods to the mix you get some really good gameplay.

>>3214907
Fucking kek'd

The game called Saboteur. Apparently you could drive from France to Germany in 1940 no problem. Also it was such a surprise when Germany invaded France, who could see that coming. And when the MC heard that they were going to invade he said "They are going to start a war!", yeah not like they were at war the last year or so.

>>3217185
Europa Barbarorum forever the greatest Total War

>>3215984
There wasn't any people North of the Picts.

There wasn't even any land.

>>3217229
Still though, it was the best WWII Assassin's Creed there's been.

>>3217082
Lets not forget Sherwood archers in me2

>>3215678

You're joking, right?

>>3217132
It was charming. I didn't care that the units were cool and interesting, and close enough to the real thing that when I researched deeper I wasn't disappointed by the truth.
It was literally what made me into history.
Also it is mechanically very fun to play.

>>3217229

The Saboteur is MEANT to be a ridiculously over the top pulp/camp adventure though. It's about an Irish racing driver/SOE agent driving around blowing stuff up while being chased by zeppelins and hiding out in a French stripclub after all.

>>3215697
>they put in far more effort to make the German tanks look accurate

Because unlike the Americans, the people watching the movies have actually seen and possibly fought the Tigers.
These things were practically exclusive to Eastern Front.

Most of American audience never saw a single one in reality. The number of troops in Europe was marginal, there was absolutely no involvement by the civilians and to top it all off, of those enlisted, a good number served in non-European theaters with absolutely zero Tigers.

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Everything about this. Literally dropping the ball on every aspect of the Northern Crusades. Why even embark on this endeavour if you are not going even try?

Hopefully the Sagas thing will revisit the setting so some actually talented people can mod it into a tolerable shape.

>>3215566
>fucking lazy props department

I always forgive BotB for the obviously wrong tank models because they used like 200 actual tanks in a movie

>>3216003
What's wrong with your pic? I can't make out shit because it's so lo-def

>>3215613
Oh my God, Patton. These fucking tanks completely ruin this film.

>>3215697
>The weird thing is the Soviets and the rest of the Eastern Bloc were way more concerned with it, I wonder why that was?
No budgetary constraints really. They could just tell some engineers from a state factory to turn a bunch of tanks into other tanks with cardboard and sheet metal. No need to worry about paying them.

Same reason why battle scenes in Soviet movies are god-tier with thousands of extras and horses, cf Waterloo.

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>>3218557
Shit, I thought this was just /pol/ being dumb, but that is reaching pretty far.

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I posted this in the last thread - but it's still my favourite.

The Saxon warriors in The Last Kingdom wearing Renaissance helmets.

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This

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>>3218591
Like I'm pretty sure this is a case of the props department using the armour from another production that was just lying around.

>>3218598
Perfectly explains why the Soviet Union didn't crush them, they feared the black marshal

>>3218612
DA BLACK POWA

>>3218591
The producers wanted the saxons to look different from the vikings SO badly. It's almost funny. The fact that they cannot understand eachother in the series is a joke on itself. Saxons and Danes could've easily understood eachother

>>3218591
>>3218603
>>3218624
Bleh, my bad - these are the soldiers of Wessex from Vikings. Probably even worse since that's set earlier than The Last Kingdom

>>3218624
Yeah, they really went for this hamfisted 'noble savage Danes' v. 'cowardly civilised Saxon weaklings' sort of approach - the scenes in The Last Kingdom where Uhtred needed to teach the Saxons how to do a shieldwall was ridiculous.

>>3218557
Diversity MUST be retroactive. Shit like this makes me mad about the future and how society and entertainment will force everything to be diverse. "Sorry, we need 1 more black transgender in this movie and a asian 2nd main lead."

>>3214848
Why are the swordsmen at front? The spearmen right behind them are literally 3 times more affective in that position. Also that 1 left handed swordsman ruining the "formation".

>>3214995
This game is set in the Bronze age right? Those weapons and armour look very....whats the word...Steel!

>>3218649
The last kingdom was even worse. So many furs. Lindybeige did a good video on it.
>inb4 >lindybeige

>>3218665
>this game is set in the Bronze Age right?
It's set in the Ptolemaic Kingdom.

>>3218665
I think it's actually supposed to be set in the Ptolemaic period - apparently Cleopatra is a character in it

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from Gladiators

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>>3218704
also their Praetorians

>>3218704
>>3218716
I really hate this movie, I don't know what people see in it

>>3218721
their action scenes is pretty cool
that's about it i guess

>>3218721

They think that Ridley Scott still is a good director.

>>3218721
I like the story and characters

>>3218704
Whats wrong with this specific scene tho?

>>3218721
The story's fucking great and so are the visuals.

every WW2 doc mentioning the beginning of WW2, ever

>dude the french army sucked lmao
>dude the french had shitty/no tanks lmao
>dude poland had no air force lmao
>dude whats norway lmao

>>3218755
Standard issue armor is what's wrong. Lorica Hamata would have always been more common than Segmentata.

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>>3218755
flaming arrows,roman formation immediately breaking with enemy contact,pila being used as spears instead of thrown and the roman helmets are from the english civil war era

>>3218762

>America won WW1
>America won WW2

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The film Patton where the only tanks in the film are either M48 Patton or chaffees trying to be every tank during that war.

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>>3216229
dude sparta lmao

This shit.
People think it's realistic because it's old and they showed tits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJO2UfG9KcI

>>3217849
What bugs me is Novgorod starting out too big to be fun.

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>>3218843
>This shit.
>People think it's realistic because it's old and they showed tits.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJO2UfG9KcI

But that scene is probably the most realistic depiction of Roman infantry combat there's ever been on TV or in film.

Yes the Gauls are wearing some strange gear, but a lot of it's not terrible, and it isn't really any more immersion breaking than all the films where Legionnaires are all wearing segmentata.

>>3214848
>>3214877
>>3214889
>>3214995

this is what i don't get about the entertainment industry.

i understand and even encourage some fantasy to make things more colorful and visually showy, but why go with shit that is more than clearly inferior to the historically accurate designs? they aren't adding anything, and by anyone's accord it just looks worse.

is it just autistic ego that makes designers and directors choose something "unique" over the hardcore historical and actually cool things?

>>3218762
Or not mentioning the Soviet conquest before 1941.

>>3214995
>>3215936
>>3218684
>>3218686
Jesus they're gonna have evil Rome come in and go after an innocent Cleopatra aren't they. Depict her as a brilliant military commander who only loses at Actium because of evil templars and alien bullshit being used by Augustus.

>>3217849
what game you autist?

>>3215678
Lrn sum history bruh

>>3219296
Hey man, gotta provide the wewuz market with some KWAYN action

>>3217849
What was wrong with Teutonic?

t. Person who doesn't know anything about the region's medieval history

>>3218665
>Sorry, we need 1 more black transgender in this movie and a asian 2nd main lead.

Except nobody cares about asians or trasgenders. The diversity meme is always about the Eternal Negro, and sometimes some women.

>>3215682
No those are T-54/55s T-34s are norrower and taller than Pz IVs. You can tell it from the tracks to.

Tiger from saving private ryan was T-34 though

just take the new king arthur movie, always triggers me

>>3217091
>They really did zero research for it

they did far more research than anyone had done in a game set during the classical era, problem is they focused most of it on Rome itself, while depicting everyone else as historical caricatures(not that "urban cohorts" weren't a caricature themselves)

once you start looking at it as "renaissance shitter explaining the ancient world: total war" or "Herodotus: total war", you appreciate it more. But modded, it's fucking incredible.

>>3219373

It's meant to be a Guy Ritchie film with swords instead of shotguns though. They weren't trying to make Morte d'Arthur.

>>3215940
it's st. maurice

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>>3219396

It's Hannibal.

>>3219411
>UK
Everytime lol

>>3219326
They played as the filthy pagans and couldn't win

>>3219414

>Barbarians Risingis an American docudramatelevision series executive produced by Adam Bullmore and produced by Michael Waterhouse that airs onHistory Channel.

What did they mean by this?

>>3219433
Not him but all anglos are cucks (americans are part of the anglosphere).

>>3219418
That was why I really loved the Teutonic expansion. The Lithuanians had a very unique playstyle for a TW game, in that your country was basically too poor and too technologically shit to field big armies of good units, so you had to pick your fights sparingly, and a battle would be difficult. It was just as much about maneuver on the campaign map as it was about the battle itself.

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>>3218843
> It's old
Jesus, what are you, 12?

>>3218321
There is a M2 tank in the Background. Which is very much so WW2.

>>3214874
To be fair though, it never claimed to be historically accurate.

cant really be accurate when boudicca is riding a war elephant through Rome like

>>3219316
You know insulting the person you're asking a question of isn't the smart thing to do. But since I'm not him, the game is Total War Medieval 2 with the Kingdoms expansion

>>3218771
>Lorica Hamata would have always been more common than Segmentata
we don't really know that. A front line legion in the second century would have quite probably had a majority of soldiers wearing segmentata. The helmets are wrong but that's as far as it goes as far as that pic is concerned

>>3219496
I'm surprised you were able to identify it.

>>3219326
It's Braveheart tier in its superficiality. Cartoonish.

>>3218779

Flamming arrows were a thing, the pila were used as spears in many situations(Alesia and Pharsallus notably) and the helmets match iconography from the dacian wars

>>3218771

Most soldiers use segmentata in Trajan's column

>>3219595
That's an artistic depiction and probably uses the segmentata to differentiate between the Romans and Dacians.

>>3219606

Yeah, and a guy literally named "maximus" stabs Commodus in the middle of the Flavian theatre. It's like the Germans not using the MG42 in Inglorious Basterds in which a bunch of jew commandos shoot up Hitler, there's wiggle room, and there's historically inspired fantasy.

>>3217185
Baazh Baazh Baazh!
Abido! Asrah!

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>>3217229
This is apparently what the area around Paris is like
But at least the countryside was pretty

>>3219625
I'm talking about Trajan's column, not Gladiator.

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*ahem. For Honor?*
Soooo basically vikings wore nothing but some Fur, japanese only used metal for blades and basically never for armor and there were female knights wearing some strange looking mask double wielding swords. Oh, romans liked to combat not in formation and someone actually used a sickle attacched to a chain.

>>3219595
Fire arrows were a thing, but they weren't designed to be shot at people like normal arrows. They were primarily for trying to start fires during sieges.

>>3216229
>>3218779
>>3218832
at least these are only from mods. there's other mods for rome 2 with much better historical looks to them.

>>3219729
>Wait director so are we doing the Mayans or the Aztecs?

>we're doing Mexico dude lmao just put whatever you know about each civilization in and call it a day

>Also make sure the Spanish come in at the end so we can do a sequel and shit

>>3219418
Git gud.

>>3219272
>but why go with shit that is more than clearly inferior to the historically accurate designs?
Because people get upset when you show them something that goes against their preconceived notions. Most people think that everything before medieval times (barring rome) were loincloth wearing savages. Showing them as anything but that makes them feel stupid, and then mad.

>>3219757

For Honor at least has the excuse of being fantasy

though honestly vikings are a waste of space, should have added some arab or even indian kingdom to bridge the gap between the euro and the jap

>>3218779
>still falling for the "pila were only used as javelines" meme

>>3217091
>They really did zero research for it.
Because they didn't care. The game was entirely centered on the Romans, with the other factions being post-game unlocks meant to add completely different flavors to gameplay. That said the game is incredibly overrated along with M2.

>>3218557
I don't really get why everyone is getting super worked up over this, I mean it's obviously stupid, but the videos have not very many views and many dislikes proving people aren't buying this stuff

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>>3214995

>>3220871
All the dislikes com from here

>>3219576
You literally described Medieval 2. There's a literal Braveheart campaign.

>>3218598
to be fair to these guys, I'm fairly certain they and anyone watching this knows Mannerheim wasn't black
better than can be said about most of the stuff in this thread

>>3214877
>biker native american celts

Well at least that's somewhat original.

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>>3220844
>RTW
>MTW2
>underrated

tell me any game that came close

>>3217185
>>3217648
I enjoyed it a lot too and it is good memories but its stupid to claim its more complex and superior, it really isn't. It's a 2004 game.

>>3219496
>>3219532
>>3218321
It's clearly an M3 stuart, it isn't that difficult to see.

It's a whole episode of the history channel, talking about tanks in WW1, but for the entire episode they use a WW2 tank.

>>3218704
>>3218716
At least they tried in Gladiator, it's only wrong to a degree that people with detailed knowledge will realise.

It's not BARBARIANS RISING levels of wrong where the Romans wear leather Gallic helmets in 200BC, not only centuries early but made of leather??
>>3218721
Yeah its quite bad, so hollywood.

>>3218826
How hilariously ironic

>>3218771
>Lorica Hamata would have always been more common than Segmentata.
meme

>>3215613
Nah. I live in the SW and know a bit of Spanish. One of first scenes in Patton where he takes command in N Africa a woman in a full Burka runs up to him very clearly asking him to buy a chicken from her...In spanish. Didn't notice it the first time i saw it sinceiI didn't know spanish but later in life it bugged the crap out of me.

I mean srsly how hard would it be to get an extra to repeat "chicken" in arabic?

>>3215668
German tanks, theoretically, would be easy to reproduce with sheet metal as long as you dgaf what the tracks look like. They're really boxy.

>>3221011
thats true though, segmentata pops up briefly during pax romana but its nowhere to be seen by the time of the late empire whereas hamata saw use until the end. It was a neat little experiment that didnt work out on a grand logistical scale and so they scrapped it. Im sure it lingeres, one or two guys still rocking their old segmentata that they cherish like an m16 in nam just to keep it functional since maintanence was a huge chore and mass-producing plate armor was difficult in the ancient era. It was also pretty redundant since the shield already covered the heavy areas of your armor and it actually sacrificed armor around the joints and limbs, which are far more likely to be attacked in a battle line.

>>3218716
I've alwats wondered about the clothing in Gladiator, it seemed so advanced for the Romans. Looked more late medieval than anything.

>>3216229
Honestly I don't think we know.

>>3221028
No it's not, stop meming with your basic romaboo knowledge.
> segmentata pops up briefly during pax romana but its nowhere to be seen by the time of the late empire
First appears in 9BC, yes BC not AD, last appears in the mid 3rd century, it had a usage span of 250 years.
>whereas hamata saw use until the end.
The segmentata drops out of use along with the square shield and short sword, not on its own. You should probably stick to calling the hamata just generic mail armour as that's what it was, the most common and easiest form of armour to make.
> It was a neat little experiment that didnt work out on a grand logistical scale and so they scrapped it.
Untrue, it worked for 250 years, it went through several different patterns and developments, it was actively updated and improved upon, we see this in archaeological evidence.

We also know by the amount of pieces found and their wide distribution across the empire that it was at least fairly common armour.

>. It was also pretty redundant since the shield already covered the heavy areas of your armor and it actually sacrificed armor around the joints and limbs, which are far more likely to be attacked in a battle line.
The segmentata was clearly designed to provide protection from downward slashing attacks, hence the heavy shoulder armour, there is also evidence that the manica armour (on the arms) was used more than in just the dacian campaigns.

https://www.academia.edu/513011/Lorica_Segmentata_Volume_I_A_Handbook_of_Articulated_Roman_Plate_Armour

>>3217132
It's the funnest game i can play on my toaster.

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>>3221014
Patton landed in Casablanca less than 100 miles from Spanish territory. It wouldn't be impossible for a native to be speaking Spanish and trying to speak to Westerners in Spanish

>>3221038
they were modeled after greek soldiers just like everyone else in that part of the world, including the romans. So, its safe to assume the generic "hoplite" look was probably accurate. If you put a picture of an early kingdoms-era roman soldier next to his greek counterpart with no labels or symbols, youd be hardpressed to pick out which one is greek and vice versa, since warriors at this point in the mediterranean were very homogenous.

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>>3220975
it is pretty cool actually.

I'd hate to be a concept artist or on the design team for these types of games. You're creating what's basically historical fantasy games, and coming up with characters that are interesting blends of ancient and fantastical or even modern design elements to make something that's at least unique, only to have unemployed, vapid, uncreative autists on the internet sperging out over "muh armor and weapons aren't exactly right".

The same goes for Gladiator, a great movie that also comes under attack by basement-dwelling contrarians. It's not as good as other classic Roman pictures, I guess, but what really is the big problem? The thumb thing? Some inaccurate helmet was used for 5 minutes or some shit?

>DUDE THE BUILDINGS ARE TOO BIG IN THAT ONE SHOT
wow you got me, I hate this movie now.

I guess when all your games are pirated and all your movies come from YIFY you lose some appreciation for them. oh well. autism will be autism.

>>3221067
It's all acceptable until they claim their game or movie is historically accurate. If they do that they can go get fucked.

Gladiator should be left alone because they tried with the props, it does look fairly Roman.

But shows like Vikings, made by the HISTORY channel, with claims to historical accuracy, that have Vikings and Saxons wearing armour from 1000 years later as their iconic pieces, need to fucking die.

But worst, and its the history channel again, are their fucking educational documentaries that get all the props wrong, going as far as a WW2 tank as the centerpiece of a WW1 documentary and Hannibal being a black man wearing Christian symbols.

Fuck. That. Shit

>>3221067
no gladiator is just a shitty film calling people unemployed doesn't change that

>>3221067
>I go on History forums and say that history is unimportant

>>3220974
>better

You mean worst, right? Doing something wrong on purpose is never better.

>>3218826
I always thought they did that on purpose.

You know
>patton movie
>patton tank

>>3221046
I got on my computer just to explain more easily that you're a faggot.

>First appears in 9BC, yes BC not AD, last appears in the mid 3rd century, it had a usage span of 250 years.

9 BC was during pax romana you fucking retard, it starts during Augustus. It was well underway for half a century by that point up until the crisis of the third century

>The segmentata drops out of use along with the square shield and short sword, not on its own.

source? I've never seen any source linking these things as all disappearing at the same time, seems incredibly unlikely. It was a shift, but all at the same time? Doubt it.

>Untrue, it worked for 250 years
which would be more impressive if hamata didn't last for way fucking longer than that, closer to a thousand years

>it went through several different patterns and developments, it was actively updated and improved upon, we see this in archaeological evidence.

so did all types of roman armor, but some of them were phased out and segmentata was one of those phased-out sets. They tried improving the weakness by extending coverage to the limbs, but dropped it during the 3rd century for probably a host of reasons, not the least of which the reason I mentioned which you ignored, which was maintanence. Also why centurions continued to use hamata during the segmentata era.

>The segmentata was clearly designed to provide protection from downward slashing attacks, hence the heavy shoulder armour, there is also evidence that the manica armour (on the arms) was used more than in just the dacian campaigns.

and yet none of this was worth the downsides by the time, since the 3rd century was fucking psychotic and luxuries like plate armor were likely tossed aside for economic and logistical reasons, as I mentioned.


You sound like a fanboy that likes segmentata better, lost a bunch of arguments on 4chan, and are now unleashing that grudge on me. You're still wrong, it's just a lot more sad at this point

>>3221028

It is fantastic against heavy bladed weapons like the Dacian Falx thou. Segmentata holds up against a blow and distributes the force over a wider area than Hamata does.

Also archeologists have been finding Segmentata in a bunch of places across a wide period of time. England, Spain, Romania, and Germany, the Spain site in particular was from the 3rd century, while the England site was from the 1st.

>>3221096
nobody is arguing that it wasn't widespread, or that it wasn't effective for what it was designed for. We're just defending the very true statement that it was never more popular than hamata, no evidence to the contrary exists. To make the argument that the sperg ITT is making, which is that segmentata was MORE widespread than hamata during a certain period has no historical evidence to back it up. Archeological evidence suggests way more hamata then segmentata, even during the height of segmentata usage.

>>3221096
But that means if you're fighting, say, Garamantines or Arabs or some shit who aren't using heavy bladed weapons, but arrows and attrition, you might be tempted to dump it. however, legionaries did have to pay for their own shit a lot of the time, or have the cost taken out of their pay, so if you had some segementata in good shape it would be a smart idea to hold onto it.

>>3221092
>9 BC was during pax romana you fucking retard, it starts during Augustus
Yeah alright, but not the true pax romana period people think of.
>source? I've never seen any source linking these things as all disappearing at the same time, seems incredibly unlikely. It was a shift, but all at the same time? Doubt it.
It's generally accepted that the Round shield and Spatha sword came into main usage during the late 3rd century, the time when the segmentata stops being used.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Roman_army#3rd-century_developments
>which would be more impressive if hamata didn't last for way fucking longer than that, closer to a thousand years
Because hamata is mail, the standard, universal armour, the segmentata is a unique armour.
>so did all types of roman armor, but some of them were phased out and segmentata was one of those phased-out sets. They tried improving the weakness by extending coverage to the limbs, but dropped it during the 3rd century for probably a host of reasons, not the least of which the reason I mentioned which you ignored, which was maintanence. Also why centurions continued to use hamata during the segmentata era.
Maintaince and complexity is the reason, I didn't deny that, i only deny your claim of tiny limited usage. During the empires heyday when it could be afforded, it was used widely, they were rich.

>You sound like a fanboy that likes segmentata better, lost a bunch of arguments on 4chan, and are now unleashing that grudge on me. You're still wrong, it's just a lot more sad at this point
I'm someone who knows a fucking lot about the segmentata and im sick of mongs like you making bullshit claims about how it was never used and was just a parade armour. It was in common usage for 250 years, it was faded out mainly due to decline of the empire and changing demographics.

>>3221105
>To make the argument that the sperg ITT is making, which is that segmentata was MORE widespread
I've never once made that argument and you can't cite anywhere that i have. I claimed it was widespread, not more widespread. You claimed it was barely used, and are now backtracking on that after being proven wrong.

>>3221055
Or, you know, they filmed in Spain and hired local extras.

>>3221116
Yeah, the Archaeological record shows it mostly being used in Europe, the east and south was mail and scale.

>>3221058
>they were modeled after greek soldiers
Source?

>>3221138
Carthaginian tombs.

>>3221143
Which tombs where? Were they depicting mercenary soldiers? Classical heroes? Or local levies?

And to clarify wtf do you mean by "greek soldiers"?

>>3221127
>the true pax romana period people think of

nigger what

>It's generally accepted that the Round shield and Spatha sword came into main usage during the late 3rd century, the time when the segmentata stops being used.

no shit, but what I was trying to hint to you is that this didn't just happen overnight like you suggest.

>Because hamata is mail, the standard, universal armour, the segmentata is a unique armour.

this is a logical fallacy, things are only unique or common depending on circumstance. Plate armor is actually more common than mail in the early modern era, for instance.

> i only deny your claim of tiny limited usage

Dude, are you fucking serious? This was your post:
>>3221011
You are literally attempting to refute this very exact idea, and you can't even claim it was taken out of context because you GREENTEXTED it. It's true, hamata was always more common than segmentata, and you responded implying this was wrong when it wasn't. Fuck off.

>>3221131

see above

>>3221163
>no shit, but what I was trying to hint to you is that this didn't just happen overnight like you suggest.
The segmentata, scutum and gladius, all appear to have been phased out within a few decades
>this is a logical fallacy, things are only unique or common depending on circumstance. Plate armor is actually more common than mail in the early modern era, for instance.
For most of history and especially antiquity, mail was always the most common.

>You are literally attempting to refute this very exact idea, and you can't even claim it was taken out of context because you GREENTEXTED it. It's true, hamata was always more common than segmentata, and you responded implying this was wrong when it wasn't. Fuck off.
Because you are meming. Like the other guy says, some legions may have been wholly equipped in segmentata, there is strong evidence for this. On the whole of the Roman world mail would be more common but you cant walk around saying mail was ALWAYS more common, this is bullshit.

You consolidated this bullshit with your claims that it was a little experiment that didn't work (it clearly did, 250 years of usage is a success in any definition) and was never used in large numbers.

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>>3221162

As in, a soldier died and they buried his gear with him.

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>>3221067
its just a modified thracian helmet and a more decorated cuirass
certainly not outside the realms of possibility

>>3221182
>within a few decades
>at the same time

two different things

>For most of history and especially antiquity, mail was always the most common.

depends what part of the world you're talking about. Bronze armor was more popular for thousands of years, your statements are extremely vague.

> you cant walk around saying mail was ALWAYS more common,

yes you can because you know exactly what we're talking about when we say that and you're purposely bending it to fit with your argument. We mean that in total, across the entire empire, there was never a time where segmentata was more common than hamata. That's literally all anyone argued, everyone knows Trajan decked out his guys for instance so obviously in that isolated circumstance in that isolated war in that isolated area of the world there might be more segmentata in a given area at a given time, but what kind of argument is that? What does that even argue? The fact that the emperor personally decked out his top legions is hardly anything that can be generalized across the entire military, most of the military was border guard that wasn't nearly as well equipped. You're just massively shifting your original stance which was the plan all along when you made your post so vague in the first place. You wouldn't have conceided unless somebody like me actually called you on it, like a jew that will calmly let you believe jews are a race until you tell them it's not and they'll admit it's just an ethnicity.

>You consolidated this bullshit with your claims that it was a little experiment that didn't work

so your entire argument is hinged on the basis of an adjective I used in relative relation to hamata. 250 years is about 1/4th of the lifespan of hamata, so comparatively it is a "little" experiment because everything is relative when you're talking about empires than spanned over a thousand years. Also it was clearly experimental, it's the first mass produced plate armor in human history.

>>3221208
Oh. Well how many soldiers have been found? Are we sure they're Carthaginian, infantrymen abd typical?

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>>3221209
also im pretty sure these guys exist under the Seleukids

>>3214848
Thank you for making this thread.

So I was watching "The World Wars" on the history channel (i know i'm pathetic but i still need my history fix) and they showed a cutaway shot of a fucking Zumwalt class US destroyer

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>>3214877

>normies think this prison trash turd pusher is cooler than these fuckers

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>>3221714
Celts were fly as FUCK goddamn.

>>3221035
The clothing is inaccurate but not "too advanced" at all. The Romans were going around wearing Togas all the time, they have very sophisticated fashion and clothing...long before the Romans aswell.

>>3214995
I think the enemies in that image are just random bandits wearing scavenged armor (maybe Ptolemaic, most likely Roman).

>>3215678
>what was French Africa

>>3221844
Well I'm almost 100% sure the thereos shield is a forward grip, not a strap. Not to mention almost none of those weapons look practical.

>>3219729

I still enjoyed it even with its flaws. Was brutally refreshing.

>>3219382
And it's IS a Guy Ritchie movie, loved it.

>>3221082
>i go on history forums and spaz out about ENTERTAINMENT and it's historical inaccuracy.

Gladiator is about drama, not a true representation of Roman logistics during the break up of pax romana, you shitflinging autist.

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>>3217132
>Implying Shogun is better
>Implying Medieval's campaign ai is pants-on-head retarded
>Implying Empire isn't monotonous
>Implying Rome2 is a good game at all
>Implying Medieval is playable on the battlemap
>Implying Attila is fun
>Implying Warhammer is anything but garbage
>Implying Europa Barbarorum doesn't exist to make Rome 1 the best Total War RPG there is

I will give you that Rome is not the best title in the series by itself. The mods make it beautiful. Shogun 2 takes the cake for vanilla playability, and comes in second with mods.

>>3221216
Not the guy you're arguing with but damn, you're a fucking jew. Literally semantics and low cunning. Lemme explain:

>within a few decades
>at the same time

> 250 years is about 1/4th of the lifespan of hamata, so comparatively it is a "little" experiment because everything is relative when you're talking about empires than spanned over a thousand years.

Stop contradicting yourself man, don't be a jew, man.

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>>3217185
>Solduros
Truly, you are beyond reproach, my patrician brother.

>>3222031
>and comes in second with mods

What mods do you recommend for shogun?

>>3219296
The Ptolemies are also going to be presented as the oppressive bad guys while you're playing as a Nubian good boi who didnu nuffin. It's ironic because in Revalations the Ottomans were the god guys while the Byzantines were bad because they wanted to reclaim their city.

>>3222054
Darthmod
Radious

>>3222031
Medieval's campaign AI is functional, which is more than can be said for any later title, because it doesn't take any AI to "move all troops to province".

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>>3221138
The Ptolemaic dynasty was Greek, and Ptolemy I Soter actually had a part of Alexander's army with him when he proclaimed himself Pharaoh. It is accurate to say, by both the archaeological and written historical record, that the Egyptian army was modeled after the Greek armies of the day, to more or less a greater degree. This does not mean that they were carbon copies, but functioned much in the same way and were similarly equipped to the Seleucid and Macedonian armies that came after Alexander's conquests.

That said, the Ass Creed soldiers look like any generic recreation of Hellenic soldiers, with some fantasy elements added in for the effect of making them seem "brutal" or "bad". I don't get why people do this. It doesn't do anything for the game. It just looks like the devs are thirteen and have a huge hard-on for Conan.

>>3222121
They shouldve atleast made them fucking cool
Like the Papal Guard in 2 and Janissary in Revelation

>>3222031
Europa Barbarorum is autistic shit.

>>3222121
We were talking about Carthaginian soldiers anon.

>>3222105
Those are both shit, especially radious.

>>3221714
Two Gauls on the left
>Nice sword

Southern Gaul in the center
>I've seen better

Celtiberian on the right
>This fucking sword, bruh

>Helvitii Celt on the right
Everyone still thinks I own an axe

>>3222136
Name a better one you dingus

>>3222131
>autistic shit

Better than whatever shit TW decided to shovel out of its ass after this mod came out. And at least the factions have different and interesting troop choices, given that half of them are reskinned versions of each other.

>>3222143
I dunno, that's why I was asking you, dolt.

>>3222161
radious and darthmod is the best you cretin

>>3222187
they're fucking shit

>>3222054
Expanded Japan
No agents
Minor clains 1575
Nanboku-cho Period (RoTS)

I'd have to get my old laptop out to see what other mods I cycled through. There's one I can't remember that starts the campaign in the period following Nobunaga's death where the Sanada clan is split between Kozuke no Sanada and Shinano no Sanada and it's basically impossible to play the Shinano branch of the family. I always loved that campaign because of its difficulty.

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>>3222054
Nevermind, just found it
The Sekigahara Campaign mod

It's great. You can combine it with other small mods to suit your tastes, but the game is very good. If it weren't for EB, I would definitely say Shogun 2 was the pinnacle of Total War titles.

>>3222201
darthmod fix ai shit and improve the game alot from formation to flow of battle
radious is a quality of life improvement and tweak so that the game doesnt feel taxing
theyre the fucking best you kraut

>>3222135
My mistake. I also have information to shed light on that subject as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthippus_of_Carthage

Wikipedia doesn't have much on him, but this guy basically reorganized te Carthaginian army after it was defeated by the Romans on several occasions. After his departure, the Carthaginians refined their loose phalanxes and made them a sort of general spear formation.

>>3222153
>Better than whatever shit TW decided to shovel out of its ass after this mod came out.
Why do you say that? My experience with EB was that if you gave a shit about faction accuracy it was great. But 90% of their gameplay ideas were absolute garbage.

I actually had to mod the mod to make it playable. To start their economics were hands down nonsensical. Starting with Carthage you get most of N Africa and a good portion of Iberia but 2 half stack armies completely drain your income...why exactly? The celtiberians are spamming full stack armies out of their unwashed assholes and Im making due withnhalf a stack of native spearmen and slingers and oh yeah a unit or two of overpriced cavalry.

The entire concept of mercenary barracks (or w/e it called them) is flawed. While I appreciate what they tried to do it makes the gameplay tedious and infuriating to not be able to retrain a unit unless you physically transport it all the way back to a place that has that specific native troop barracks. So those iberian spearmen i mentioned? Utterly fucking useless in Italy unless i had another half stack of reinforcements following it around which would be fine except I can't afford that because again the troop costs aren't balanced with the economy.

The entire reason vanilla let you retrain eastern infantry in a Roman barracks was because it's shorthand for the exact thing EB was going for because I get they were trying to make you be a lot more careful with troops because "real" commanders avoided casualties unless absolutely necessary but is that fun? Fuck no.

The whole thing ended up being an exercise in patience that I lost. Ended up having to go into the game files and change essentially all upkeep costs, building modifiers and unit requirements because it got fucking ridiculous.

>>3222222
>. While I appreciate what they tried to do it makes the gameplay tedious and infuriating to not be able to retrain a unit unless you physically transport it all the way back to a place that has that specific native troop barracks. So those iberian spearmen i mentioned? Utterly fucking useless in Italy unless i had another half stack of reinforcements following it around

wow, it's almost like in real life!

>>3222222
will not read this post but those digits are magnificent

>>3222227
Yeah.. Keep reading numbnuts just because it's realistic doesn't mean it's fun.

>>3222233
Fun is subjective. You're not the supreme arbitrator of what is fun and what isn't.

>>3222237
Fuck you, yes I am.

>>3222222
>I actually had to mod the game to make it playable
So did I, anon. The ai gets 10k a turn generally, and in some cases the Seleucids were getting upwards of 75k in free income. EB has been a hardcore RTW player's mod from the get-go. Tweaking the free income and population boosts for the ai made it very palatable for me. Battles are meaningful and difficult and thinking both strategically and tactically is required when building your armies.

>tedious and infuriating to not be able to retrain a unit unless you physically transport it all the way back to a place that has that specific native troop barracks.

Explain to me how Iberian infantrymen could recruit from Egyptian cultural stock and expect to maintain their unit cohesion. Granted, this is not including the fact that they neither speak the same language nor have any common ground in warfare. You can't recruit more Iberians from anywhere but Iberia, just as an example. That made vanilla a boring steamroll even on vh/vh.

>I get they were trying to make you be a lot more careful with troops because "real" commanders avoided casualties unless absolutely necessary but is that fun? Fuck no.

You missed the point entirely. EB portrays unit recruitment fairly well in this regard. You can't just make Cretan archers from any stock of dudes in a village. Balearic slingers made their homeland famous like the Rhodians for their slingers. The Iberians are almost culturally obligated to be skiled with throwing spears and ambush tactics. You can't just recruit men and train them in three months to be and act like total strangers who just happened to conquer their city. Native recruitment simulates culture change across the landscape of an empire and makes the game far more complex than vanilla. You can't steamroll with a single god stack anymore. It runs out of steam.

>>3222237
Agreed. I love RTW EB for its difficulty and variety. It's a challenging game, which I cannot say of any other Total War title after 15 hours in a campaign.

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>>3222222
>Playing Carthage
>Not immediately going to and sacking Rome
>Not immediately destroying your 2.5k a turn elephants afterward
>Not sailing home to conquer North Africa with 30k in mnai and a half stack while Rome burns
>literal autism

>>3222249
>Explain to me how Iberian infantrymen could recruit from Egyptian cultural stock and expect to maintain their unit cohesion.
You don't. What you can do is add a port expansion that allows retraining of those troops to simulate ferrying over reinforcements.

>>3222249
>You missed the point entirely.
No I didn't. It actually links back to the point you're making if you think about it.

>EB portrays unit recruitment fairly well in this regard.
Accurately, imo not well. It became tedious and annoying almost immediately.

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>>3222259
>add a port expansion that allows retraining of those troops to simulate ferrying over reinforcements.

So you want a barracks, that, get this, makes your unit types available in lands that didn't have the cultural background of the troops conquering them?

There are sub-mods for EB that do just that. Only, the Greeks, Carthaginians, Romans, and Makedonians get them, since they were the only cultures to establish colonies. It changes the colony buildings to be required to have a Type3 government building and a port.

There are also sub-mods that allow for Celts to set up migration buildings that do the same thing and are only available in certain regions. (no desert or arid regions, I believe)

All TW games suck because all I want is to tell my legionnaires to ditch their shields and swords and pickup a falx but I can't. Why can't I equip MY soldiers how I want? Why? They're my fucking soldiers goddamnit.

>>3222275
>makes your unit types available in lands that didn't have the cultural background of the troops conquering them?
You're ferrying them over there not "training" them there exactly.

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>>3222267
Well, agree to disagree then I guess. Not every mod is for every man.

>>3214848
Roman soldiers wearing lorica segmentata in "Attila the hun" movie poster

>>3222278
World of Battles used to let you do this back when, you know, it existed.

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>>3222283
Not trying to imply that's what you meant, just being cheeky about the answer.

>>3222222
>it's a great digits but non-readable-sized post
damn anon

>>3222300
But i broke it up to be digestible.

I was courteous anon.

I was courteous.

>>3222300
Do you suffer from ADD?

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>>3222305
So what mods do you play? Unless you just don't play RTW at all.

>>3217185
Try Rome 2 with Divide and Impera .

>>3222309
Haven't played it in damn near 4 years anon.

>>3222309
>>3222316
Although last time i did play I used darthmod and had a lot of fun as I personalized all the factions according to my alt-history headcanon.

Basically urned the Numidians into Rabanastre from ff12. Not sure why though.

>>3222322
>Not sure why though.
Oh yeah. I always had a thing for Carthage but I had found out about all the baby killing and got all self righteous about it. Since the Numidians are basically Carthage-lite I went with them and I also like ff12.

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>>3222322
Europa Barbarorum beef aside, you seem like an alright anon. I'm glad I came to shitpost tonight. /his/ is an alright place.

>>3222325
The Carthageboo in me always pitted me against early game Rome in every mod and made my games a slog through everyone's mod version of meme legions in 274BC.

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>>3217229
Fun game tho

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>>3222477
>Actual historically accurate stuff looks cooler than what these retarded concept artists think up
Sad

>>3214995
Not to mention the Assassin with the fucking two-handed khopesh, which wasn't used for about a 1000 years by then.

>>3222641

The art looks better, history is boring as fuck, a grey shirt and two flaps? Looks like a retarded sailor costume.

>>3220871

Its taxpayer money making it.

>>3223049
& Humanities strikes again

>>3219783


>Also make sure the Spanish come in at the end so we can do a sequel and shit

If you think that's what that scene was for, you didn't understand the movie.

>>3222031
But R2:DeI is bae.

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>>3223260
In all fairness, that's a pretty shitty depiction of a historical Celt.

>>3219456
>t. Hans

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>>3215950
Interesting, could you link me to the source/tell me where you read it?

>>3217185
love the expansion pack with barbarian factions that have minuscule rosters.
also
>saxon warriors with forks

>>3219757
For Honor was the biggest waste of potential. You had all of pre-gunpowder warfare to choose from and Ubisoft picked the three most basic fucking factions.

>>3228105
That works of fiction seem to concentrate so hard on Vikings, Knights and Samurai (and also muh Spartans) when it comes to badass melee fighters is a huge fucking shame.
Constraining myself to just Europe, there's a massive amount of other historical badass types to choose from off the top of my head

-Swiss and Landsknecht soldiers (hyper aggressive badasses in outrageous outfits!)
-Almogavars
-Winged Hussars
-Properly depicted Celts (motherfucking GALATIANS living the thug life as far away as Egypt)
-Carolingians
-Late Romans (depicted fairly)
-Surprisingly lethal peasants (battle of the golden spurs style)

And that's just one continent off the top of my head, I'm sure I missed many more great examples.

>>3218591

I think you'll find that's Vikings though

>>3223325
if you understood the movie, I don't think you understand history.

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>>3220871
>We have to pay for it
>It's not just something on YouTube, it's broadcast to school children
>The government is lying to us very explicitly about who we are
>Once venerable universities are churning out people with impressive bits of paper who zealously support this dogma
>Blaire tier liberalism has somehow become a sort of clergy that will probably be incinerating the mildly conservatives withing my lifetime.

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>>3223049
>history is boring as fuck
>on the history board
For what purpose?

>>3214907
>>3214995
USING THE MOST MODERN PROGRAM, WE WILL CALCULATE HOW WILL WASHINGTON DEFEAT NAPOLEON
*opens Microsoft Excel*

A long time ago I saw a ww2 documentary on the history channel that kept using the same footage of a German soldier hip fireing a dp28 making a face like al Capone to display the invasion of poland. Panzer II's were naturally represented by a t55 that got way too much screen time

>>3222311
>>3223525

I really, really want to like DeI, but the blatant strategic level cheating by the AI ruins immersion and turns the game into an unfair challenge. Plus I don't care much for the fact that they keep the old-style faction benefits/disadvantages that got modified in later Rome II patches.

>>3225568
Nah, the rest of germanics aren't much better than anglos.

>>3222086
>Speed player confirmed

The big bad was selim retard

>>3232203
Just wait for Ancient Empires

>>3219727
I'm from Paris and I can tell you that's EXACTLY what Paris looks like on a map.

>>3230365
that's asian history
they have always been cooler
that's why there are games likes Dynasty Warriors and nothing similar for the west

>>3218678
Lindybeige is great and if anyone tells you he isnt he's just hardcore trying to oppose everything like:
>Youtube
>Windows
>Having a GF
>Using Goolag in 2018
>Watching lindybeige.

Just dont listen to those idiots and form your own opinions on stuff based on experience and facts desu.

Lindybeige is a good channel with entertaining content, people that are like
>lindybeige
probably just dislike anyone synthesizing any kind of source material and would go
>
For any other channel, they would rather read sources themselves and do their own agonizing research but that defeats the point of watching literally anything, even documentaries.

Like, fuck off.

>>3233760
Get of /his/ lindy

>>3233777
Learn to spell and get off /his/ anon.

>>3233551
that post made my eyes gayer
thanks anon

>>3221067
you forgot they had the wrong wheat in a scene
that's the worst crime in human history according to wannabe internet historians

>>3233784
>no argument

>>3233783
Did you really manage to type that with all those dicks in your mouth at the same time?

whoah

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Literally any old WW2 movie

>Germans all wearing shiny jackboots and spotless uniforms
>All tanks are just Pattons with a new coat of paint
>Enemy soldiers just run in a straight line and then when they get shot they fall in a ridiculous exaggerated manner

>>3215950
>they usually used a toxic formula too

k den

>>3218704
What's wrong here? the formations are inaccurate, the armor is too standardized but it's accurate, shields are all standardized with the same legion symbols which is highly accurate from a generic hollywood movie
>>3218716
nothing too out of line here. Praetorians wore purple. Are you one of those dumbshits who think they wore bright red capes and towered by gigantic red crests?

>>3214995
Galatians travelled to Egypt and famously served as mercenaries in Raphia.

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265 posts and no black victorian soldier ?
Nor black roman legionary ?

>>3235326
I mean... There are cases of both in reality.

>>3220837
End of pilum was made from soft metal. They would bend after one throw generally. After battle they were collected then repaired by blacksmith of legion.

>>3218553
>there will never again be a movie filmed with 50,000 extras trained to march in Napoleonic style

At least we have Waterloo.

>>3217185
desu one of the best Total Wars is fucking Shogun because of how good the campaign map works. There's no retarded diplomacy, there's no armies wandering for decades between 2 forests. The simplified tile map is exactly what future TWs need because its cuts down on AI stupidity.

>>3218557
>>3218576
I know that they're doing it to show kids that it's okay for people to not look like you so long as they think like you but even as a darkie it bothers me that now people will think there's legions of brown people in Britain earlier than like what, 1970?

>>3215950
Source?
Spaniard here
all the mediterranean coast and islands are full of salinas (places to evaporate sea water and make salt). Spain is a main producer of salt even today
how can be sea salt be toxic?

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>>3214848
Almost all of the costumes and weapons in the 2004 King Arthur movie.

This is supposed to be a late-Roman cavalryman.

>>3236173
Based Horatio Hornblower killin' vikings n shiet

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>>3234582
this is how Praetorian would like plus plumes on their helmet

>>3236809
But where is the purple

>>3236436
>>3236173
Ironically that film was closest to an "historical" narrative
>The knights were not shining armor medieval faggots but Sarmatian Legionarries
>Merlin is not a wizard but a Druid
>The portrayal of Late Antique Christianity

>>3217132
>>3217091

Rome 1 had AI that actually worked and followed orders. Units kept formations you told them to keep. Ranged units shot at what you told them to. It didn't have to be patched nonstop to get there unlike every game in the series that came after.

>>3215678
>What's a Jamaica?
>What's a Trinidad & Tobago?
>What's a British Caribbean?
>What's a British Africa?
More like what's this dipshit doing on computer?

>>3215678
That was like one guy and it wasn't like they built the story around him or something

>>3219316
If you don't know the game then you're kinda the autist dude...

>>3235326
>lol whatre colonial militias
sure bud...

>>3232203
Which bonuses do you mean, anon? The bonuses to major /his/ nations or some general stuff?

One thing that really bothered me with the latest GoT-episode was Dany torching all the food supplies that the Lannisters had collected when it was made abundantly clear that she was in great need of it. Why the fuck wouldn't she just've targeted the enemy soldiers instead?

>>3238533
>>>/tv/

>>3215909
>actually based off an unsuccessful tiger prototype

No, it's a T-34 with a plywood shell.

>>3217759
>Because unlike the Americans, the people watching the movies have actually seen and possibly fought the Tigers.

Yeah, that's why, not because the movie production could use American tanks in Spanish service and then bill investors out the ass....

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>>3235326
>What's an Askari?

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>>3214848
>Egregious, stupid or hilarious historical innaccuracies

This kinda lack of attention to detail really rustles my jimmies!

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>>3238720

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>>3238724

>>3238724
>>3238731
What's this supposed to be? Why would anyone build lego forts in completely random places?

>>3214889
What did the picts look like? My understanding is that not much is known about them other that them being "painted"

>>3238724
>>3238731
>Crossbows are Assault Rifles
Jesus Christ that episode.

>>3238538
>The gist of it is, post things from games, TV shows and whatnot where they just got things so wrong it's funny.

Military incompetence so bad that it breaks the fourth wall seems adequately related imo.

>But it's a fantasy series!
True but it still propogates the view that fucking yourself over royally was a legit tactic in historical times. Just because it's set in a world with dragons and zombies doesn't mean that it isn't leaning heavily on hollywood history.

>>3215931

That movie had terrible war sequences. Cheesy as fuck.

Kinda like Hacksaw Ridge. The fighting was cheesy and over the top but it made up for it in other aspects.

>>3219729
I like how the guy in the foreground of the promo isn't even the main character.

>>3218826
Its because it was filmed in Spain witt the help of the Spanish army, which could only field m48 and m60 pattons, making the film cheaper. Remember it is the 80's all films either had modern tanks (Bridge too far, battle of bulge) or t34 dressed as German tigers, with Sherman's refitted for filming purpose

>>3237252
Not existing. It cost 150k denarii (a soldier made 250/year around the time the Praetorians were founded, IIRC Praetorians made 2-3x that) per pound of purple-dyed cloth. By equipping the praetorians with cloth, a force of 5k men would cost 750000000 denarii just to give them fancy capes.

>>3228105
Well it is aimed at the average gamer ie. teens kids & young adults, who couldn't give less of a fuck about history and litteraly only know samurai, knight, vikings and maybe romans and spartans, but they could give fuck all about celts, arabs, persians etc.

>>3238533
Some of that was likely the gold they plundered from Highgarden. Perhaps she was aware of their debts and wanted it removed.

>>3239397
this needs to be pinned somewhere, I'm sick and tired of people getting that shit wrong

>>3218843
Name a more authentic portrayal in TV or film.

>>3219757
I never got the impression that this was trying to be remotely accurate. The fact that the three factions are vikings, samurai and knights should tell you they were far more interested in crossing over genre fiction archetypes than anything historical.

>>3239397
>implying that would be expensive for a giant empire

The entirety of battlefield 1

>>3239990
Think of all the actually useful things you, as a giant empire, could do with that money

That said, the Scholae Palatinae, who replaced the Praetorian Guard in the fourth century, apparently did wear small purple mantles, or at least some of them did.

>>3240017
>late roman empire
<using money for useful things

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>>3214848
>Start watching a zombie movie set sometime around WWII
>American soldiers working with Finnish soldiers during the Winter War to fight Russians
>Winter War, not even continuation war
>Americans and Finns all carry PPSh-41s
>They're also fighting the Nazis
>They find a Soviet who speaks English in 1939/40 for some reason and happily teams up with the Finns and Americans
Honestly the most inaccurate thing I've ever seen.

>>3236043
Romans carried two pila, a light and a heavy. The heavier one was longer and often times had a hardened shank that wouldn't bend on impact. There are numerous primary sources that mention legionaries using them as melee weapons in battle.

>>3220976
Rome 2 and Attila are on the same level as R1/M2 if you remove the rose-tinted goggles. There's so much shit wrong/broken with the older games that its a bit hypocritical to shit on the newer releases for being bug-ridden while praising them.

>>3238745
They were built across the river from each other to raise that chain you see in the first pic.

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>>3238745
>Why would anyone build lego forts in completely random places?

To raise a chain that blocks the river... which causes longboats to flip over when they bump into it, whereupon the "catapult" made out of sticks and twine, launches fireballs at them and as the longboats are built from gasoline, they instantly burst into an inferno.

>>3219727
>Chinatown

faggot revisionists GTFO

>>3217647
>>3219318
>>3221846
>>3237390
nigger cuck samefag

>>3238715
>>3237447
>>3236029
nigger cuck samefag