Is it true? Were Roman elites like Northern Italians?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZMICczOzfQ

Stay calm and wait for the DNA evidence.
I wonder if Shitalians(short for Southern Italians) will take lessons from Afrocentrists and deny everything.

>>3153645
Yep. Southern Italians are descended from Jewish slaves sent to the ports of Italy.

>>3153645
>source
>Sieglin (1935)
Sounds German and it's from 1935. Is there a better source?

>>3153645
It's hard to tell because dyeing hair to blonde was also all the rage in Rome, especially with the elites.

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What do you suppose Eutropius here was?

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>>3153966

>>3153645
>Totti
>De Rossi
>Immobile
Roman, roman and neapolitan respectively. Not really north italian any of them.

>>3153966
a machiavellian eunuch courtier

>>3153990
i think the image is more about the looks of the people.

south italians tend to look like arabs with very oval faces, black souless eyes

>>3154021
Whereas I thnk the image is just a retarded cherrypicking attempt.
Might as well stick Russell Brand's face on another pick and call all brits niggers too.

>>3154021
Because meds and mena populations look pretty similar.

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>>3153989
Fucking lost it

>>3153989
kek

>>3154021
No such thing as black eyes.

>>3154029
Nope.

>>3154028
This.

how easy to spot south italians ITT

>>3154085
I'm >>3153990 and I hail from fucking Trento. I don't need to be a fucking terrone to dislike bullshit.

>>3154029
Bullshit propagated by shitskins. Sicilians and Andalusians are the only Meds who look even remotely Arab.

>>3153744
Southern Italy was heavily colonized by the Greeks. I don't think they see themselves as exclusively descending from the Romans.

>>3153744
>DNA evidence
Cavalli Sforza's study already proved that aside from Sicily and the southernmost parts of Calabria and Puglia, Italy is extremely homogeneous.

100% Italian reporting in. 6'2 pale skin, dark brown hair, and hazel eyes

>>3153909
Yeah, that is a really bad primary source

>>3154021
>oval faces

Si like Nordics?

>>3154925
no

>>3155109
Yes

I don't get it? Neither looks particularly like those statues

>>3153645
no, center Italy exist

>>3153645
marchisio is the only one who looks elite there

>>3153645
>Norten Italians

Those are all either Central or South Italians, shitty bait image

>>3155884
t. south italian

>>3155891
Yes and?

What I said still stands

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>>3155894
it doesn't stand.
everyone knows south italians look like jews and arabs and the people in OP's pics look like northern ones.

just because they were born in south italy, doesn't make their phenotype south italian.

>>3153645
>Italians being romans
>first king of italy literally destroyed the western roman empire
huh

>>3155926
>and the people in OP's pics look like northern ones.


But they aren't, you retard, besides according to your own shitty PCA South italians and C Italians are basically the same ethnicity

>>3156015
so much of terrone butthurt.
you're bunch of disgusting mena creatures, deal with it.

romans were ligther and had different phenotypes.

>>3156032
No evidence, go fuck yourself, amerifat.

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can someone explain why they always have bulgarians play romans in movies..?

>>3156035
>No evidence,
look in the mirror, you look like arabs

>>3153645
Most of the writers cited weren't alive in the early empire and are going off hearsay, not to mention that there are contradictory claims on many of the emperors.

>>3156038
I can't speak for other movies, but in an anti-Roman film like Passion of the Christ, they have to cast people who fit the aesthetic of villains. Who better for that role than Balkan people?

>>3156041
Listen, you obese social outcast, I've had it with your bullshit and autistic obsession with being a pale pansy

Wow you're paler than me!

Well congratulations, what an astonishing accomplishment! Such superiority!

I could wipe your fat ass off the face of this planet and literally no one would care, so stop polluting this site with your autistic obsession with being pale and your retard-tier grasp of genetics, you would do us all an immense favor, bye.

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Every day Roman citizens in Italy more than likely looked no more different than every day Modern Italians. Also, light hair and light eyes are definitely not a rarity in the Mediterranean either.

The pic is to keep nordcucks from claiming N. Italians as Germanic.

Nordcucks truly are a cancer

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>>3156054
> Being this triggered

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>>3154021
because everyone knows italians are the only europeans with "black soulless eyes"

most of europe is soulless and non-white then, you blithering retard.

>>3156041
They don't.

>>3156052
I dont think Pilate was really portrayed as a villian, or his second-in-command, more just the everyday roman soldiers were evil

When are we gonna massacre nordcucks?

>>3156054
Holy shit calm down mohamed lol

>>3156157
They're already wiping themselves out, praise Allah.

>>3156157
Shitalians are too busy kissing the feet of niggers and applying whitening cream

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>>3153645
Yes, north italians are the whitest. Totally not cherrypicking

>>3156103
there is a difference between european brown eyes and arab/black ones

you absolute idiot

>all the assmad terrones ITT
no one claimed Romans were Germanic/Nordic.

it's a fucking fact that first Roman dynasty was of fair complexion, the same as trojans, hitties and other indo-european folk. it has nothing to do with being germanic or nordic.

south italians are mutts that look like arabs and jews. there is no way to hide it, just look for yourself.

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>>3156669
her eyes are literally deep shit brown, which is the type of brown eye color plenty of southern italians have. i've never seen almost black eyes except on chinks and africans.

>>3156282
That's whiter than the average American at least

>>3156103
>Britain
>European
>white
Come on anon.

>>3153645
Joe Pesci looks roman as fuck.

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>>3156676
SHIEET

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White people don't exist.

Make Southern Italy Greek Again

>>3157184
>Nordics are the only white people that exist

>>3157165
>italian americans
>italian
Uhm.. no sweetie. I pity them for that identity crisis though.

>>3157184
>posts a Mediterranean who is clearly a white guy
Lol

When Americans think of Italy they usually think of Sicilians.

>>3157473
?

>>3156676
>the same as Trojans and Hittites

We have no idea how The former looked but The latter was depicted as dark haired with an olive complexion and a hooked nose by Egyptians

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>>3153645
>Choose ugly and old guys to represent South Italians

Yes most were. Northern Italians are basically Germans and Celts racially.

>>3158253
North Italians look like South Germans desu. Which is how I imagine Celts and the entire branch of R1b Italo-Celtic and Germano-Celtic speakers looked like.

>Totti
>De Rossi
>Immobile
>Northern Italian
What the fuck

>>3158285
Phenotype. Dog born in a stable isn't a horse.

>>3153645
Northern Italians aren't Romans they're just Gauls, Lombards, and Venetians

>>3158318
Romans, or rather the people that became Romans, that arrived in Italy were the same people as later Gauls and rest of the Celts.

>>3158318
t. Terrone

>>3158326
They arrived in 1300-1200 BC with The urnfield folk, by 700 BC they were heavily mixed with The natives

>>3153645

No. Northern italy wasn't even considered italy in early rome but was called "gaul this side of the alps". the po river was the natural barrier between the celtic northerners and the latin/etruscan/roman people of central italy. The north was only integrated by force during the early republic and there are ancient sources attesting to the racial and cultural differences of romans and north Italians.

Tl;dr no it's a historical impossibly

>>3153645
No, Northern Italians mixed with easterns in modern times and barbarians at the end of the Romans. So did South with other populations. Does it matter? No.

>>3156676
The Indo-Europeans mixed with non-Indo-European Etruscans

>>3158708
And that made Italians look like Arabs.

>>3156676
>the same as trojans, hitties


How can one be so wrong?

>>3158721
Trojans were described as red-haired, auburn-haired and some of even blonde-haired.

>>3158718
Etruscans were in the north though
You obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about

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>>3153989

>>3158727
Hittites were dark, Myceneans painted themselves and were painted as olive skinned with dark hair, I have troubles believing they were mostly red haired.

Mythical poems are not a historical account, heroes and gods were often given rare attributes such as light or even purple eyes, or red/golden hair because they were rare and extraordinary

>>3158733
Etruscans were central Italians, we don't know know what they were genetically but they were non indoeuropean linguistically

>>3158733
You sound like a South Italian.

Italo-Celtic people mixed with Etruscans and other natives, that's how they became swarthier.

>>3158742
Yes, but they mixed way before Rome was even a village, so saying Romans were originally all fair is wrong.

>>3158742

Etruscans came to Italy after Indo-Europeans.
They took over an Italo-Celtic region.

>>3158749
>so saying Romans were originally all fair is wrong.
Their elite certainly was. :^)

>>3158756
Not really, Caesar had black hair and eyes, just because one dynasty happened to be relatively fair it doesn't mean all the patricians were.

>>3158760
>Caesar had black hair and eyes,
Proof? Maybe he was black as well?

>>3156103
>>3157154
I want to fuck emma

>>3158764
Suetonius, retard

>>3158773
t. mad terrone

>>3158776
T.Ignorant fat fucker

>>3158779
don't yell, you look like an arab

>>3158784
Even if that were true that would still be much better than looking like you

>>3158789
i doubt it, my bug-eyed, swarthy-skinned manlet "friend"

>>3158792
Sure thing buddy, you're so good looking, I bet you're a success with the ladies, give me a break.

>>3158801
jesus you're so fucking mad, it's not even funny anymore
struck a nerve there, huh?

how come it's always south italians that we wuz about roman empire, but northerners don't give a shit about it? is it inferiority complex?

WE

>>3155926
Northern Italians are mixed with Germanics. All Italians clustered where Southern Italians do before the mixing

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>>3158318
Yeah they're pretty Germanic.

>>3158806
When exactly have I wewuzzed?

I just find sad when a complete loser like you thinks he can be taken seriously, just because I told you off it doesn't mean I'm "wezuzzing", your microcephalic virgin.

I wonder what exactly you expected by behaving like a complete retard and calling other people "arabs", I'm sorry /pol/tards rejects and shitposters like you aren't welcome here.

Did you expect us to laugh at your grand sense of humour?

Which consists on /pol/ buzzwords fueled by your insecurity, or to praise your great knowledge of history for thinking whoever speaks Indoeuropean is blonde haired and blue eyed?

You came here, you shitposted and showcased your autism and you were insulted back, we're not your mom, don't expect us to be insulted and bear your autism without saying anything back.

>we wuzz romans!

Fuck off. You were primitive tribes living in straw made huts.

>>3158871
Whom are you talking to?

>>3158806
Why do you hate Southern Italians so much?

>>3158850
Why do you rise to bait?

What is it with racists, continuously trying to divide people?

Is there some right-wing George Soros type trying to fragment nations as well?

>>3158871
>You were primitive tribes living in straw made huts.
Then how come they brought Latin?

>>3158882

*whomst

>>3158901
>>3158882

I'm talking about /pol/ trying to claim that any achievement by any non-white ethnicities was actually the work of whites.

>>3158910
>non-white ethnicities
romans were white, whiter than south italians. that's the whole point of this thread.
south italians like to larp as romans, but they look like mena people.

nothing to do with snowniggers, but terrone larpers.

>>3158897

>Is there some right-wing George Soros type trying to fragment nations as well?

There is actually. This guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mercer_(businessman)

>>3158924

vafanculo

ITT: buttblasted northerners calling other people terroni
Pathetic, go back to >>>/int/

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>>3158830
no

>>3158924
Romans were browner than north Italians and whiter than south Italians.

>>3153966
Ugly af

>>3158540
sauce?

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>>3153989

>>3157473
What is your point supposed to be?

>>3160417
He's referring to the republican concept of Italy ending at the Rubicon river, and everything between it and the Alps being a province rather than the home territory. He's being stupid because the geographic concept of Italy was greek in origin and only included the south originally. It was Rome (which initially wasn't even part of it) who epxanded it up to the Rubicon first, and then up to the Alps after Augustus's reforms.
It's just as retarded from an ethnic point of view. Romans proper, meaning Latins, only lived in Latium, tho the expanded into lots of colonies outside of it, a shitload of which were established in Cisalpine Gaul too. The italic peoples as a group lived through the whole peninsula AND large swathes of Cisalpine Gaul (the fucking Venetics and the northernmost Umbrians, also arguably the Ligures).
Also let's not forget that the romans went out of their way to genocide and "convince to move" a large amount of gauls residing in CG through extensive warfare through the centuries of conquest and specifically aimed pogroms after the second punic war, when the tribes that supported Hannibal got slaughtered like pigs. The cimbric war too saw the gauls being massacred when the romans left them as bait for the germans to pillage while Marius raised more legions.

>>3158967
>buttblasted northerners
No way. This thread is foreigners central. Northern Italians, while hateful towards southerners, almost invariably loathe the idea of being considered germanics.

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>>3158253
Racially European? Yes.
Celtic or Germanic? No.

>>3153966
Looks to be an ancestor of the Bogdanov family.

>>3156676
lmao nothern italians are even less white than spaniards according to autosomal dna charts.

>>3158924
I think he is saying non-white in the eye of /pol/

>>3158830
>only Germanic people can be white
Nice try Hans

>>3160894
how can northern italians be white when they're even more distant from germanics than the spanish are?

>>3163873

Cause Germanics are heavily eastern.

>>3153645
Fuck you buddy de Vito and pesci are good actors