This is German territory. Let me make this clear; GERMAN, not FRENCH.

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>>3135158
Actually, it is Swiss clay.

>>3135158
France owned Alsace since before the concept of a united Germany really existed. It is french.

>>3135158
Actually, it's Italian clay sweetie

>>3135197
[Citation needed]

>>3135197
What is the HRE?

>>3135197
French revisionism at it's finest.

>>3135209
>inb4 Charlemagne was French!!!11

>>3135197
Yeah, they just speak German for fun. In their hearts they are true Frenchies.

>>3135198
this

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>>3135190
Terrible map

They speak a German dialect, and their culture is Germanic, but they identify with France over Germany.

France is a German colony gone rogue, think GB-USA.

>>3135251
>They speak a German dialect, and their culture is Germanic,
Was. France outlawed speaking German.

>but they identify with France over Germany.
Actually they would change back if they could vote about it. Alsace turned to utter shit under French rule.

>>3135209
A weak amalgamation of inbred Germans who chimp out on anything and everything.

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This is Flemish territory
Let me make this clear; FLEMISH, not FRENCH.

The French are a bunch of clay stealing niggers, and the worst part is they get away with it too most of the time

>>3135269
I have always been under the impression that, given the option, Alsatians would vote for...

1. Alsatian Independence
2. Union with France
==POWER GAP==
3. Union with Germany

>>3135292
>The French are a bunch of clay stealing niggers, and the worst part is they get away with it too most of the time
Oh yes, this. And nu-males on this board love them for it.

>>3135308
>anybody wants to be part of France
not fucking likely

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pic related is a historical depiction of the birth of a frenchman

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>oppress Germans for centuries
>persecute their culture, burn their cities
>act surprised when Germans chimp out

Typical French.

>>3135221
Not my point. My point is that it was owned by France before anyone talked about the concept of a nation for German people. Regardless in modern Alsace most of the population speaks French.
"A 1999 INSEE survey, included in the 1999 Census, the majority of the population in Alsace speaks French as their first language, 39.0% (or 500,000 people) of the population speaks Alsatian, 16.2% (or 208,000 people) speaks German, 75,200 people speak English (or 5.9%) and 27,600 people speak Italian.[25]"
>>3135209
Not a German nation state. It always included Bohemia and for much of its history included large areas of Italy, as well as lands populated by Flemish and Walloons.

>>3135292
>The French are a bunch of clay stealing niggers
And Germans aren't? You know literally dividing up Poland like a fucking birthday cake, that is okay, but having a small area with a Flemish majority, that is truly the worst thing on earth.

>>3135352
>Regardless in modern Alsace most of the population speaks French.
>"A 1999 INSEE survey, included in the 1999 Census, the majority of the population in Alsace speaks French as their first language, 39.0% (or 500,000 people) of the population speaks Alsatian, 16.2% (or 208,000 people) speaks German, 75,200 people speak English (or 5.9%) and 27,600 people speak Italian.[25]"
50 years ago 91% spoke German. Tells you lot about French "culture" politics.

>>3135352
>Bohemia
To be fair, they narrowly avoided Germanization.

>Flemish
A Germanic people, much like the others who eventually made up modern Germans.

>>3135373
France had been doing it for centuries beforehand, and the point of his post is that they got away with it.

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I'm Alsatian. Alsace is an Alsatian land. Elsass frei.

>>3135377
>50 years ago 91% spoke German. Tells you lot about French "culture" politics.
Yes and? Repeatedly start wars and lose and people are going to get tired of your shit. If we base land claims on historical claims than that opens up the door to pretty much anyone claiming anything. Clearly France should own everything west of the Rhine because the first empire, first Republic, and province of Gaul. Clearly Greece should own Turkish Thrace despite the fact that the region has a higher population than Greece and is almost entirely Muslim, clearly Mexico should regain control of California, Texas, and all their other lands.

>>3135387
>People conquer lands they want, news at 11
You keep acting like conquering land during the 15th to 18th century was something uniquely French as opposed to something everyone did.

>>3135406
When France does it, the board celebrates it. When Germany does it, the board goes apeshit. If I'm being unfair, it's because the simultaneous French-dicksucking and German-hateposting of /his/ is out of control.

>>3135433
>When France does it, the board celebrates it.
Not really.
>When Germany does it, the board goes apeshit.
Because Germans aren't people, they started two world wars and exist only to bitch and moan about how they lost land and then proceed to steal land from others.

>>3135443
>Not really.
We regularly have unironic French-wanking and anti-German threads every week. Multiple threads a day, sometimes.

>Because Germans aren't people
Oh, so you're one of these.

>they started two world wars
For the sake of discussion, even if the first war was Germany's fault...
1. The unified, militaristic Germany was largely a result of previous French aggression
2. The Germans existed for centuries before Hitler, Willy or even Bismarck

>>3135292
My family comes from there, but now I live in the Netherlands. I think I should go back and increase the numbers of Dutch speakers there.don't forget Lille and surroundings is Flemish clay too

Thankfully we have the concept of self-determination these days. Hold a referendum in every disputed territory in the world and see how it goes.

>>3135373
>b-b-but the Germans!!!!
Last time i checked the Flemish had little to do with the German's foreign policy

>>3135398
>literally speaks German...
That's like saying the Mexican speakers in Minnesota are Swedish.

>>3135400
>Alsatians
>starting wars

Get out frogaboo cunt and take your shitty language with you

>>3135158
It would still be to this day too if a certain (((someone))) didn't stab the Fatherland in the back.

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This is French territory.
Let me make this clear; FRENCH, not GERMAN.

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>>3136962
Seriously, though, all the people on our side of the Rhine are Gauls in denials, even if some were brainwashed into believing they were Germanics.

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>>3135190
Switzerland is Burgundian clay.

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>>3135158
It is Swabian territory.

>>3135158
of course it's German, it's ethnically German and it's main city is called StarsBURG

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HR Emperor and king of Germany in Strassburg, i am convinced that it is German

France can have Walloonia and Brussels as compensation

>>3135443
>started two world wars
Polish chauvinism literally knows no bounds. The world went through the Second World War largely because of Poland and her taste for lands that belong to others.

"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly)

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm

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A L S A C I A

S O N

A R G E N T I N A

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Yeah history has been unfair to Germany and good to France. Germans are the best people in the world though :) I hope things went better for them in an alternate universe.
>btw not German or Germanic just a fan

>>3136921
>says Alsatians are Germans
>says Alsatians haven't started wars
>Germans have started many wars
hmmm

>>3137083
>compensating another country with the territory of another country that isn't yours
Eternal Kraut folks

>>3137155
Brussels is French, Starssburg is German

everyone should get the lands that belong to him

>>3137158
Fucking around with belgian clay is an easy way to lose a war, Kraut

>>3137158
Should the Germans, therefore, give up territory to the Sorbs? Or give Schleswig-Holstein to the Danes? Or give Bayern to the Austrians?

>>3137164
im not german

>>3137167
>Should the Germans, therefore, give up territory to the Sorbs?
i think they're too small and few in number, maybe some local autonomy

>Or give Schleswig-Holstein to the Danes?
i don't know, i think most of it was german originally

>Or give Bayern to the Austrians?
both austrians and bavarians are german and should join germany

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>>3135341
There's some truth in this post.

>>3135209
A confederation of petty kingdoms, united in their cuckoldry to Austria.

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This is French territory.
Let me make this clear; FRENCH, not G(*RMAN.

>>3137158
Brussels is Dutch. It was the first capital of the Netherlands

>>3135209
>
>
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>>3137188
Thanks to them we have a Dutch state now. There have been many wars between the Burgundian dukes and the French king, but they defended the Netherlands as their own children and now most of the Netherlands aren't part of France nor Germany.

>>3137271
I smell a larper...

>>3135197

Actually, the Alsatian humanists of the early modern era were most of the time German patriots and emphasized that Alsace was a part of Germany, not France

>>3137319
>bunch of disorganized duchies
>the duch(y) republic

ehehehhehehe

>>3137320
Could apply this to the whole thread desu.

>>3137361
Those duchies weren't disorganized at all. In fact they were only dependent on France and Germany in name. All the duchies had the same duke and the same laws. Everything was governed from Brussels. In fact it was more organized than France and Germany around that time (the territory was smaller and all the power was in hands of one man).

>>3135158
No matter what, NO MATTER WHAT happened in the past, France owns this clay ( As a matter of fact they fought and won for it, yes, France did win BOTH world wars, but let's ignore that fact not to hurt your German sensitivity ), today Alsacians and Lorrains mostly speak French, German is only spoken by old people and is therefore dying, and they also speak Alsatian but it is a local dialect as they exist all around France ( They speak an Italian sounding dialect in Nice, and a Spanish sounding one in Perpignan, yet you don't hear Italy or Spain chimp out about MUH NATION STATE ). They identify themselves as French and even get pissed when you ask them if they're German.
Fuck off to your side of the Rhine.

>Source : I live in StarsBOURG, not StrasBURG

>>3137436
you have to give all that clay back, Jeaques

Strassburg=German
Nice+Corsica=Italian

plus independence for the bretons and the occitans

>>3135158
I have Alsacian heritage. Alsace belongs to Alsace. Frogs and krauts can fuck off.

>>3137441
No one wants to join Italy in Nice, nor does Corsica ( A small minority wants independance, but they know deep down that they need the mainland's trade and tourism to survive so it ain't ever gonna happen )
And movements towards independance in Brittany are dying out faster than your thousand years re*ch

>>3137441
No Hans, you spelled it wrong again, try with me :

S T R A S B O U R G

>>3137436

A dog who think he's a pig and makes oink oink is not a pig

>>3137445
Independance in Brittany's pretty much a joke let's be honest here.
Only time I remember hearing of it was a few years back with the Bonnets Rouges shit, and even then it was pretty much shot down by locals who thought the idea was retarded.

>>3137453
If you want Alsace so bad, why don't you go there yourself and try to start a rebellion ? Oh nevermind, the locals will BTFO you back to the other side of the Rhine

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>>3135158
>implying that Alsace isn't actually Spanish territory

>>3137454
That's pretty much the story of any independantist movment in France, only old people and retards want it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabern_Affair

Why this happened?

>>3137464
This, even Germany didn't want Alsace

>>3137457
I'm not even German, I just think it's pretty ridiculous to adopt the language and nationality of the conqueror and be proud of it

>>3137464
Shows a bit of how things were. Tensions throughout the WWI pretty much set the idea of Alsatians not being Germans.
And I mean don't get me wrong, the French government had its fair share of autistic policies post war (especially on language and shit), which left locals, even today, with a sour taste. But if you're asking an Alsatian nowadays - can't speak for the past though I doubt there'd be massives differences to today -, he'll tell ya he's an Alsatian first and a French second (though regionalism is strong about everywhere in France. Even a guy from Anjou or Auvergne would probably say the same). The idea of being German would be laughed at.

>>3137447
it's still german

if you really want it to be french rename it to routeville or strateville or something

>>3137167
Bavaria is not austrian and Austria is not Bavarian, they were seperate entiries since the 1300s for a reason.>>3137186

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>>3137443
No anon, Alsace belongs to France which in turn belongs to the EU. Don't make me get the CRS.

Alsace-Lothringen is Serbia.

>>3135158
Europe is rightful German clay.

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>>3135158
>German education
It's rightful Dutch clay, sweetie.

>>3137441
Don't forget to return "French" Flanders to the Netherlands.

>>3137271
It clearly says "Frankish"

>>3137525
>Bavaria is not austrian and Austria is not Bavarian
Same people.

>>3137770
>franc
>francia
>france

Coincidence? I think not!

>>3137807
>Gauls LARPing as Franks

>>3137817
modern france is big enough to include much more than traditional gaul
unlike germany, france didn't lose her european empire :)

French logic: the people should be free to choose which country they want to belong to, and as the people of Alsace chose France, they are rightfully French.

Germ logic: WE ARE NOW THE EMPERORS OF EVERYONE WHO SPEAKS A VAGUELY GERMANIC LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE SAY SO, ALSO THIS GRAPH SHOWS THAT YOU SHARE HALF A HAPLOTYPE WITH US THEREFORE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO EVERYTHING WE SAY AND IF WE EVER GET REKT IN TWO WORLD WARS THAT WE STARTED AND YOU MANAGE TO BREAK FREE WE WILL SPEND THE REST OF ETERNITY PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVELY WHINING ABOUT HOW THAT'S NOT FAIR

>>3137770
>>3137807
'Frankish' and 'French' share the same etymology, you guys do realize that right?

>>3137871
They're literally the same word meaning the exact same thing.

"Francia" is just Latin for "France", and the first turned into the second as Latin turned into French.

>>3137899
yeah reminds me of "ruthenia" vs "russia"

>>3137871
No. Especially not since the "French" was the Franks biggest enemy from the start.

>>3137953
What's the point of this kind of mindless shitposting, it's not even humorous.

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>>3137770
Which mean French

>>3137953
>we are our own enemies

Care to explain ?

>>3137963
Franks come from Austrasia, whereas "French" come from Neustria. After 843 Neustria and other southern territories became West-Francia and Austrasia (in which the most important places of the Franks were (Cologne (hometown of the Franks), Metz, Aachen (last capital of Francia))) became the kingdom of Lotharingia). Since then the French have always tried to claim the Frankish territories, such as Alsace and Lorraine, because those were part of the Frankish homelands and Kind of a holy land. The French will always be the eternal enemy of the Franks because people like you try to claim their identity and erase their real idendity. The Rhine wasn't meant to be the border between Germany and France, but Germany and Lotharingia.

>>3137979
But did they come from Pannonia?

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>>3138005
Yes

Our homeland was called Francochorium by the Greeks and is located in Pannonia, between the Danube and the Sava

>>3137997
Everything you said is so completely idiotic I'm wondering if you pulled it all out of your own ass or learned it on some retard's blog or something. Either way I really hope for your sake that you're underage.

Merovingian France was made up of several kingdoms (Neustria, Austrasia, Aquitaine, Burgundy, and Provence), roughly covering Gaul. Austrasia was the land of the Franks before they conquered the rest of Gaul and became the French. Its capital back then was Tournai, and later when Austrasia was part of France it moved to Metz and Reims. But after the conquest of Neustria, the capital of the whole realm of France was Paris, which had a status of holy city. No part of the realm was more or less French than another. And the Franks and French never existed independently from one another, the Franks were a tribal confederation which founded France and then merged into the Gallo-Roman population to become the French.

>>3137269
History doesn't start in EU4 you stupid brainlet

>>3138042
Oh, you mean when HRE was The French Empire? Okay.

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>>3138022
Lmao
Happy to meet you again, LARPfag

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>>3138047
>LARPfag
>Geneticians say Pannonian French

Are you saying that Geneticians are wrong, kiddo'

>>3138064
What do you do with your time?

>>3138073
>Dodge the question


Are you saying that Geneticians are wrong, kiddo' ?

>>3138073

>is wrong
>'what do you do with your time do you even get laid wow lol baka'

Pissy little infant, just accept when you're beat and move on, don't do this catty stuff.

>>3138025
>the Franks were a tribal confederation which founded France and then merged into the Gallo-Roman population to become the French
West Francia = Kingdom of France
Francia = East, West and Middle Francia
West Francia emerged from the western Part of the empire with the coronation of Louis I.
However the Latin-speaking Gallo-Romans merely adopted the name "Franks" since they were subjects of the Frankish Empire.
The modern French are simply not the same people as the Migration Period Franks.

>>3137997
France is called Frankreich in German

Where is your god now?

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>>3136984
well, not for sure. the seperation line between celts and germans is most likely based off a description of julius caesar before he went to gallic war. (to read in julius caesars 'de bello gallico') The depicted seperation of celtic and germanic tribes was created by caesar to get him an official approvement from the senate to go to war, because: if there is one strong enemy (germanic tribe) on the other side of the rhine ''threatening'' the celts on the other side, it is a reason to go to war and 'protect' the celts so that there is no wave of homeless tribes searching for new land (which could be romans provinces^^). today we know for a fact, that it is likely that the whole border region between celts and germans was shared by either of them. caesar profited of the senate's bad geography knowledge and served a cute little story, and for what? to pay his debts he had made during his previous political campaign and the political life as whole. it is estimated that he had made debts as high as a tenth of the income of the whole roman republic. (Pic related, you see the map in the view of roman senate (more or less))

>>3138107
>The modern French are simply not the same people as the Migration Period Franks.

Of course they aren't, that's the confusion you seem to be making. The migration period Franks ceased to exist when they founded France in the 5th century. That's when France was founded, not on some arbitrary date 400 years later.

"Western Francia" is simply the continuation of France, after the loss of the Eastern territories, most of which had only been conquered by Charlemagne a few decades earlier.

>>3138111
The Franks don't have an own state, because the kingdom of the Lotharingia doesn't exist anymore and fortunately the dukes of Burgundy took an attempt to recreate it. You can even name France Germania, but that doens't make France any more German.

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>>3138158
>Lotharingia
>dukes of Burgundy

Here comes the delusional Dutch

Pic related is the French founder of Lotharingie

No need to say that he would laugh at you if you told him that you and him were of the same racial stock

>>3138150
Sorry, made a little mistake.
Modern France's history starts with the coronation of Karl the Bold, Louis I.'s lastborn son while his eldest got the original Frankish territory and his second son Lois the German the eastern parts of the empire.

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>>3138095
I met him in anpther thread and discussed a lot with him, just interested
>>3138087
Didn't you imply in that last thread that Frenchmen and Franks can't be blonde if your theory is true?

>>3136940
Damn you Einstein...damn you..

>>3136940
The Kaiser?

>>3138211
lmao what the fuck are you on about. Do you mean Charles the Bald?

If so, on what basis do you claim that France before him wasn't France but after him it suddenly was?

>>3138236
Because there was no France before him only a civil war-torn Francia

>>3138250
Francia is literally the Latin word for France. You sound absolutely ridiculous, as if I was saying that before last year there was no Germany, only a Deutschland.

>>3138196
Lothair was Frank, not French. No idea what you're implying. I'd love to have a nice comversation with him though. And yes, the dukes of Burgundy tried to recreate the kingdom of Lotharingia.

>>3138212
The guy on your pic isn't blond but light brown haired, and once again there is no proof that he is a Frank.

>Frenchmen and Franks

Read the article in my previous pic,, our Pannonian ancestors(BR1 and BR2) are estimated to be dark brown haired/brown haired, if a French is blond, he is most likely a Saxon/Alan/Gaul/Vandal/Burgundian/Taifal/Frisian or is mixed with one of them.

>>3138258
>The Treaty of Verdun, signed in August 843, was the first of the treaties that divided the Carolingian Empire into three kingdoms among the three surviving sons of Louis the Pious, who was the son of Charlemagne. The treaty, signed in Verdun-sur-Meuse, ended the three-year Carolingian Civil War.
>Charles the Bald received the western portion, which later became France.
Can you please stop denying history now?

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>>3138262
>Lothair was French, not French

>>3138158
lol, those were medieval entities with no ethnicity or nation

in the frankish empire there was the latin speakers who became french and the german speakers who became germans, there is no "lotharingians"

>>3138275
What the fuck are you on about? Does losing territory mean you become a new country? Did Britain stop being Britain when America became independent? Or maybe it wasn't Britain before?

Nigger how brainwashed do you have to be to not realise how stupid you're sounding?

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>>3138262
>Frank
"Frank" is Middle English word for French, you can say "Frank" all you want it still carry the same meaning


>No idea what you're implying.
I'm implying that a fair haired people like yours have nothing to do with him


>And yes, the dukes of Burgundy tried to recreate the kingdom of Lotharingia

The dukes of Burgundy were members of a cadet branch of the Capetian Dynasty


Again you're appropriating French history

>>3138293
>>3138283
Not the guy you responded to, but the point is that the Franks became Frenchmen, Dutch and Germans. Therefore the Frankish country can't be equated with France.
>>3138271
The guy is either blond or red haired, also I gave you a source in the last thread which you accepted, you then said he was a mongrel "abomination"

>>3138316
>but the point is that the Franks became Frenchmen, Dutch and Germans. Therefore the Frankish country can't be equated with France.

That's like saying "the British became Britons, Americans and Irish, therefore the British country can't be equated with Britain".

>>3138329
>That's like saying "the British became Britons, Americans and Irish, therefore the British country can't be equated with Britain".
The Frankish confederation didn't originate in Gaul.

>>3138344
The Anglo-Saxons didn't originate in Britain.

>>3138329
No it's not, the Franks were a people that had a major influence in the emergence of the modern Germans, French and Dutch. The same would be "the Saxons (the Germanic tribe) became Brits, Germans and Danes."

This
>>3138344

>>3138316
>you then said he was a mongrel "abomination"
When i'm butthurt i tend to shitpost

>I gave you a source in the last thread which you accepted
i remember arguing with you perhaps two weeks ago, and i remember that you quoted a book saying "that he MAY have been a Frankish noble that founded a Church" that's all

>Franks became Frenchmen,
We didn't became anything, we were always French/Frank

>Dutch
Dutch are Batavians and Frisians don't mix them with us

>and Germans
Germans are Saxons, Alamans, Thuringians, Frisians, Bavarians don't mix them with us too

>>3138367
Because the Britons didn't have a major influence in the emergence of modern Americans?

Are you ever going to get tired of spouting this level of nonsense?

>>3138373
>we were always French/Frank
Christ, French education is a joke.

>>3138373
You do know the area where the frankish confederation first emerged was modern west Germany, Netherlands, belgium and northwest france, don't you?
>>3138390
Where did I say that?

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>>3138392
>Christ, French education is a joke.

You're saying that you aren't Batavians nor Frisians ?

Why do you hate yourself ?

>>3138427
>Where did I say that?
If you can't even keep up with this basic level of logic I can't help you. Maybe try reading the last three posts again and switching your brain on.

Anyway, France before 843 was still France after 843.

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>>3138427
>frankish confederation

No such thing

It is a modern invention to justify the fact that Tacitus doesn't mention the Franks/French among the Germanic tribes


The so called "confederation" is just WEWUZING at its finest

Franks/French are a people not a confederation, and they came from Pannonia Inferior where is located the oldest textual evidence(pic related) of them and where is located Francochorium aka the "Homeland of the Franks/French"

>>3138436
The Batavi are a subdivision of Franks.

germans are faggots lmao

>>3138465

Nope


There are the Salians (Most of the French + Belgian French) and there are the Riparians(the Lorrains + some Belgian French) and that's it

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Guys, both the Germans and the French are successors of the Frankish empire
However, the French are the senior, the main successors, there is a reason they bare the name and there is a reason Germans don't
the Dutch are just German offshoots
the Swiss and Belgians are a meme
Also Strassburg is German


There i answered every question ITT, you're welcome

>>3135292
This, French can fuck themselves fucking cheesemonkeys

>>3138462
>Franks/French are a people not a confederation, and they came from Pannonia Inferior where is located the oldest textual evidence(pic related) of them and where is located Francochorium aka the "Homeland of the Franks/French"

Yeah, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna believe Encyclopædia Britannica over some dude on 4chan.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Frank-people

>>3138490
>However, the French are the senior, the main successors

The Kings of Germany were the ones that had the title of Emperor.

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>>3138503
>Encyclopedia Britannica

You're source is a random article wrote by a random dude, Not convincing at all.
By the way, Franks/French always spoke latin, pic related was the ring of our king Childeric do you see in what language it is written ?

If you don't see well i can read it for you : "CHILDIRICI REGIS"

>>3138520
yeah but they acquired it later, when they Otto the great conquered Italy

>>3138528
>Encyclopedia Britannica
>random dude, Not convincing at all.
Lel alright

Besides did you know Childerici is a Germanic name, with rihhi in Old High German meaning powerful and wealthy?

>>3138567
*Childeric

>>3135377
Wrong you fucking faggot, they speak alsatian and were catholic, you fucking heretic don't have claim on faithful land.
Bavarian and other south german are ok, prussian and kaiser fuck off.

>>3138567
My first name Greek, my second name is Scandinavian, and my third name is Iranian

It doesn't make me Greek/Iranian/Scandinavian tho, and it is the same for my kinsman Childirici

>>3137489
That why africa is a shithole and france is fisrt world mate, gaul did unterstand that roman civilization was superior.

>>3138608
That's strange though, why would someone give his child a foreign name, especially if this person is supposed to represent a whole people (like, you know, a king like Childeric)

>>3138584
Most of them are still Lutheran desu

>>3138631
Wrong, the place is majority roman catholic.

>>3138622
Childéric is not a foreign name

It is a widespread French name like Louis, Clovis, Hugo/Hugues, and Charles

>>3138658
French here, never meet or heard of a Childéric
Maybe Cédric is the modern version of this name.

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>>3137436
>France did win BOTH world wars

>>3138658
>It is a widespread French name
yes, because the French people has some (not as much as Germans, Swedes etc ofc) Germanic ancestors, like the Franks...
https://www.behindthename.com/name/childeric/submitted

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>>3138658
>>3138676
see pic

>>3138675
They at least win one, something that german can't boast about.

>>3137146
t. 1/64th ""german"" amerifat

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>>3138665
>Maybe Cédric

Your intuition is good, i was mostly memeing for Childéric but i just checked and indeed Cédric is its modern form

>>3138707
At lest we won our battles on our own instead of collapsing immediately and bending over like a little bitch

>>3138722
not gonna adress these >>3138676 >>3138687 >>3138622
points, are you?
>>3138730
why the fuck do you have to insult the French, they defended their country, unfortunately failed, and you call that "bending over like a little bitch"? What would you call our capitulation in 1945 and the occupation afterwards, then?

>>3138730
>On our own
Lol no


In WW1, you used chemical weaponry cause you're cowardly subhumans that can't fight head on

In WW2, you refused to face us head on again and you rushed to Paris to take our women and children in hostages, you were also helped by the Italians who faced us head on like men and were stopped


Germans will be remembered as the most unsucessful and cowarly race on Earth

>>3138777
>>3138730
Back to /int/

>>3138771
>they defended their country, unfortunately failed, and you call that "bending over like a little bitch"?
>Collapsed in two fucking months
>Immediately accepted to be a puppet regime, actually fighting off their British allies in Africa

>What would you call our capitulation in 1945 and the occupation afterwards, then?
The result of four years of fighting on two fronts.

>>3138777
>you refused to face us head on again
>What is Sedan

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>>3138829
>What is Sedan

3 vs 1

literally non-white tier desu

>>3138829
>Hurr durr French are the only ones that lost a war quickly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Fourth_Coalition#Prussian_campaign
>In total, Napoleon and the Grande Armée had taken only 19 days from the commencement of the invasion of Prussia until essentially knocking it out of the war with the capture of Berlin and the destruction of its principal armies at Jena and Auerstadt. Most of the shattered remnants of the Prussian army (and the displaced royal family) escaped to refuge in Eastern Prussia near Königsberg, eventually to link up with the approaching Russians and continue the fight. Meanwhile, Saxony was elevated to a kingdom on 11 December 1806 upon allying with France and joining the Confederation of the Rhine, thereby leaving the Allied Coalition.

Jetzt verpiss dich nach >>>/int/ oder >>>/pol/

>>3138490
That's like saying both the Americans and the British are the successors of Britain.

>>3138520
So? What the fuck does "emperor of the Romans" have to do with France? It was the kings of France who were "king of the Franks".

>>3139042
>That's like saying both the Americans and the British are the successors of Britain.
Yes, and like America both France and Germany had other genetical and cultural influences over time, making them develop apart (It's just that that is a millenium more then the division of British & American culture, plus the latin culture of Gaul made the Western Franks adopt another language quickly.

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daily reminder that you're arguing with this autistic fuck

>>3138436
First of all, the Frisii of antiquity =/= the Frisian people.
Second of all, the Batavi in that map are wildly out of place.
Third of all, you're posting a bunch of untenable wewuzzing pseudo history that flies in the face of established history and ranks up there with the worst of Balkan nationalist rhetoric.
Fourth of all, the Dutch are literally the descendants of the Salian Franks, which was one subdivision of the Franks along with the Ripuarian Franks. The modern Central German peoples are descendants of the Ripuarian Franks. The French are not descendants of the Ripuarian Franks. The French merely adopted the Latinized name of the Franks. Franconia, a region of Germany, also adopted a name based on the Frankish ethnonym, yet it is a thoroughly Germanic area. Care to address that little wrench in your rhetoric? France derives its name from the Franks, ergo the Franks must have been French; yet, German Franconia also derived its name from the Franks, so surely that must mean the Franks were German? Fun fact, Franconia is a made up name. Amongst Germans, it is simply known as "Franken" or "Frankenland."

>>3135352
>however today..
Only because France has worked hard to create a French province in Alsace-Lorraine. By this logic Tibet is Chinese because China has flooded it with millions of Han Chinese workers.
The idea of a German country has been around for centuries, its only that nationalism began to really flare up in the late 18th century. For most of its history, the Kingdoms and republics of France have not owned Alsace lorraine. It only came under French controls via military conquests and diplomatic ploys acting progressively starting in the 1600s.
Alsace-Lorraine is rightfully German clay

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>>3139151
>The muslim Amerimongrel that believe he is of descendant of a Nazi

A shame that i didn't keep your old posts, Hans Al Americani

>>3139283
>First of all, the Frisii of antiquity =/= the Frisian people.
Nice damage control
Frisii is just Latin name of the Frisians

>Second of all, the Batavi in that map are wildly out of place.
Perhaps it was by Evil French that want to steal your Frankish Heritage !


>Third of all, you're posting a bunch of untenable wewuzzing pseudo history that flies in the face of established history and ranks up there with the worst of Balkan nationalist rhetoric.
I'm posting historical and genetical sources

see >>3138022
>Fourth of all, the Dutch are literally the descendants of the Salian Franks, which was one subdivision of the Franks along with the Ripuarian Franks.
Delusional Dutch, even your dear Wikipedia does not agree with you (pic related)
We always lived between the Loire and the Carbonarian Forest and before that in Pannonia, not in your swamps

Stop roleplaying as us pls

>The modern Central German peoples are descendants of the Ripuarian Franks. The French are not descendants of the Ripuarian Franks.

No

We are, especially Lorrains and Champenois


>The French merely adopted the Latinized name of the Franks.
It is the contrary

YOU GERMANIZED OUR NAMES AND STARTED TO LARP AS US

Btw our name is "Français" which is composed of Franc('free, honest, brave, noble) and "ais" a suffix of nationality, which mean the "noble people" what you call in your language Edilfranko


> Franconia, a region of Germany, also adopted a name based on the Frankish ethnonym, yet it is a thoroughly Germanic area.

A duchy created around the Carolingian era in the former Thuringian territory. these are merely Thuringians LARPING as us

>>3135352
>Not a German nation state. It always included Bohemia and for much of its history included large areas of Italy, as well as lands populated by Flemish and Walloons.

Kind of like how France has "always" included Brittany and lands populated by Basque and Flemings, and since you threw Flemings in for the HRE despite Flemings being a Germanic people, we can throw Occitanians, Walloons, Italians, and Arpitan into the mix.

>>3139334

I can't believe this level of delusion, my dude. You're just completely blind and willfully ignorant.

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>>3139346
>Brittany
Not a people as for Bretons they are mostly Celticized Gallo-Romans

>Basque
Vascones are in alliance with us since the beginning

>Flemings
They are willingly in alliance with us and don't like to be mixed with G*rmans

>Walloons
French

>Italians
There was never any Italin in Frace, Italy own us Aosta and Pietmond tho

>Arpitan
You mean FRANCO-Provencal ?

>Occitanians
These are an ethncity speaking a Gallo-Romance language like the French

>>3139357
>I can't believe this level of delusion, my dude. You're just completely blind and willfully ignorant.

You didn't refute anything


Stop acting like a woman and refute what i've said if it is untrue.

>this thread

wtf i hate france and germany now

>>3139419
I'm just claiming my ancestors


As for the Germans, they try to claim the French, the Goths, the Vandals, the Suevi, and the various tribes that left their shithole* and conquered Europe

Germans are born-LARPers


* note that we come from Pannonia

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>>3139365
>Real Flemig here. Flanders has been independent since the second count of the country of Flanders, so basically at the start. The French king has always tried to get control of Flanders, but never managed to.

>>3139460
>Pannonians immigrate to Gaul
>get conquered by Romans
>get conquered by Germanic tribes
>get cucked out of their own identity and language
>1200 years later
>WE WUZ FRANKS AND SHIEET!!
Stop embarrassing yourself.

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>>3139533
>The French king has always tried to get control of Flanders, but never managed to.


You were ruled by a French nobility just like the Anglos, people love to joke about us cucking the Anglos but they have no idea about the enormous French influence in Dutch and Flemish
>>3139562
>French get conquered by Romans
In which timeline are you living m8 ?

>French get conquered by Germanic tribes
In which timeline are you living m8 ?

We bullied Germanic subhumans into extinction, in fact we really can't count the number of germanic subhumans that we slaughtered cause we killed too much of them

>>get cucked out of their own identity and language
In which timeline are you living m8 ?

>>WE WUZ FRANKS AND SHIEET!!
We are French*

Frank is a middle English word for French, thus it is outdated

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>>3139652
>We bullied Germanic subhumans into extinction
>500 million native speakers of a Germanic language worldwide
>Literally typing in a Germanic language
>extinction

I don't think you know what that word means

>>3139697
>>We bullied Germanic subhumans into extinction
Where are the 100% Blond/Red haired Germanic peoples like described by Tacitus ?

Nowhere to be found ! Beause we sent Walloons colonists in Scandinavia, and we raped our Germanic neighbours so much that Germany, and England are now 30% Blonds at most

>>500 million native speakers of a Germanic language worldwide
Most of them speak a French creole

>>Literally typing in a Germanic language
When i type in English, i just type into in a French Creole

>>3139652
>French get conquered by Romans
>In which timeline are you living m8?
So French people don't actually speak a Romance language?

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>>3139744
We either learned it from the Romans in Gaul or we learned it in Pannonia where the Oldest French inscription was found circa 251 AD

>>3139652
Woah, I'm French myself but this is purely delusional...
César a envahi et soumis la Gaulle, je te rapelle

>>3139717
>>3139697
>>3139652
Both fuck off to >>>/pol/ or >>>/int/ please. The Franks were initially Germanic, get over it Frenchman, if not, show a source that clearly states "Franks were a Pannonian/Native American/Alien/NOT GERMANIC people", not just some infographs/pics you interpret the way you like.
Relying on "IT'Z DA JEWZ / KRAUTS / ANGLOS" is not a sufficient argument against the widespread narrative of all scientific publications on Franks.
>>3139744
The Franks conquered Roman-held Gaul with a sophisticated Latin culture, which is why they assimilated with the natives and adopted a Romanic language.

>>3139770
Didn't mean to cite
>>3139697

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>>3139770
>The Franks were initially Germanic, get over it Frenchman

The Oldest Frankish inscriptions are in Latin there are no traces of Germanic among our ancestors

>>3139765
Les Gaulois étaient tous blonds je te rappelle, est-ce que les Français sont des Norvégiens ou des Suédois comme les Gaulois ?

Et ne me sors pas le mythe du métissage avec les Romains, car des siècles après l'invasion romaine Ammien-Marcelin qui a visité la Gaule a rapporté que :

"Les Gaulois sont presque tous blancs & de haute taille ; ils ont les cheveux blonds, le regard farouche"

>>3139365
>Flemings
>They are willingly in alliance with us and don't like to be mixed with G*rmans
You're fucking retarded holy shit

>>3139717
>Where are the 100% Blond/Red haired Germanic peoples like described by Tacitus ?

All around m8, along with all the brown/black/strawberry blonde/gray/white/dark/light haired Germanic people, because *gasp* hair color varies within population groups.

>Nowhere to be found ! Beause we sent Walloons colonists in Scandinavia, and we raped our Germanic neighbours so much that Germany, and England are now 30% Blonds at most

Did you skip your meds today?

>Most of them speak a French creole
>When i type in English, i just type into in a French Creole

Alright, you've gone from loony to straight-up retarded. English is not a "French Creole" you delusional fuckwit. Linguists do not define language groups by lexicon, because that's an astoundingly retarded method of defining language groups. We define language groups by descent and by grammar, and English is decidedly Germanic in both respects and barely French if at all. While we're on the subject of lexicon, however, while there are more French than Germanic words in English, the vast majority of words in common usage are Germanic and stem directly from Old English, so suck it Pierre

>>3140008
you should see his reaction when you point out there are a buttload of French words with Germanic origins, it's hilarious

>>3135158
Why can you not just split it? Give Alsace to Germany and Lorraine to France.

>>3140035
Goddamn, that is a lot of words.

I can only imagine his glorious, delusional, autistic reaction.

>>3140316
Good solution

>>3139921
Salic law is written in Latin, but has old Dutch fragments in it, such as "Maltho thi afrio lito", what was said when someone became free. Because Latin wasn't Frankish native language, althought the Franks had knowledge of it. They simply couldn't explain everything of the Salic Law in Latin.

>>3140035
There are almost no Germanic words in French, and the few of them are all about farming and wars which show that our Germanic serfs occupied lowly positions while their French overlords ruled over them
>>3140388
>old Dutch fragments

It is glosses in a 9th century manuscirpt


Glosses are meant for foreigners, so they can understand words that are uknown to them

>>3140501
>There are almost no Germanic words in French
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_words_of_Germanic_origin_(A-B)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_words_of_Germanic_origin_(C-G)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_words_of_Germanic_origin_(H-Z)

>>3140501
No, the orginal lex Salica from the 5th century contains that sentence.

>>3141735
510*

>>3140779
how much is that percentage wise?

i doubt it's more than 5-10% of the language, french is almost fully of latin descent

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>>3141774
Also there's an inscription from 425 which is either Frankish or Old Dutch (language of the Salian Franks' descendants)

>>3141808
a. that has nothing to do with my post or question
b. what's your point?
c. stop acting like a we wuzzing negroid

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>>3141817
You said there were no frankish inscriptions previously, pic is another one.

Also you still didn't explain why the king of a powerful people would be given the name of a serf (childeric)

>>3141833
Or rather a Germanic name, assuming the Franks were everything but Germanic

>>3141833
>You said there were no frankish inscriptions previously, pic is another one.
not me, im not part of your argument, im just a neutral observer, noting you clearly have an inferiority complex toward the french

>>3141843
So you aren't the guy claiming Franks weren't Germanics?
Well sorry then

>>3141852
Their roots were Germanic, there is no doubt

>>3136940
Hindenburg?

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>>3137458
Just the south tip though.

>>3141735
You're wrong

A gloss is a side-note added later-on, it is not a part of the original text !

As for the Malberg glosses, they are in 3 manuscripts from the 9th century

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>>3137462
Independantist's movement was decimated in the 80's. Most of them were sentenced for long jail terms and in the early 90's the idea was abandoned since all the active militants were jailed.

>>3135215
Charlemagne was neither french or german, those things did not exist. The merovingian line descends from belgium/dutch regions and the merovingians set themselves up in francia as their seat of power before expanding wildy eastward. Frogs and kraut like to fight over him but in reality he's the father of both nations.

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>>3139151

>>3142432
Except the Alsatians weren''t allowed to battle on the Western Front during WW1 because the Germans feared their desertion

You try to pass the Germans as some kind of brothers of the Alsatians that just wanted to be reunited with them

But the history of your country is an history of forceful annexion of GERMANIC(not German) speaking people and suppression of their languages and cultures


As said a German on /int/, German culture is just about "muh Brothers Grimm" and nothing else


You killed every actual German cultures

>>3138730
Except for the fact that had Britain not joined in with the triple entente, WW1 would've been the Franco-Prussian war 2: electric boogaloo

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>>3142450
Fixed that for you

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>>3142474
fixed that for me

>>3142452
>muh Brothers Grimm

Almost everything they wrote was just ripped off from Perrault.

>>3142457
Except no, the French stopped the German advance at the Marne and the front was stabilised before the Brits had even arrived.

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>>3142524
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>>3142561
Fixed

>>3142559
>implying France could have won a war against Germany on its own
Now you've gone full Ouiboo

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>>3135158
t.

>>3137915
Technically, Ruthenia and Russia is a bit more complicated matter, as majority of then Ruthenia covers current Belarus, most of Ukraine, and western parts of European Russia.

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>>3135158
Come and take it mon chou

>>3142452
When Alsatians aren't German, then other Allemanics (I wonder where Allemagne comes from), people from Saarland and Baden-Württemberg aren't German neither. Perhaps they are Swiss or Alien or something.