Wewuzzing

>>2802003
>Modern Tunisians and Carthage
So what do you think happened to all the Phoenicians?

>>2802016
died out as an ethnicity, absorbed by other ethnicities

>>2802029
I saw study saying that the closet living relative to the Phoenicians was a guy living in Portugal.

>>2802003
Least Justified: blue eyed Italians claiming Roman heritage. Bitch youre Germanic!

Most Justified: Anglos ruling over the entire world. Theres a reason why we all are speaking English right now

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>Most justified
Kurds being descendants of Medes, Hittites, Gutians, Sumerians, Israelites, Babylonians, Armenians, Chaldeans, Phrygians, Atlanteans, Sea people, Phoenicians, Mitannis, Hurrians, Lydians, Achaemenids, Scythians, Parthians, Alans, Germanians, Vikings and Saladin.

>>2802003
>Mexicans = Aztecs is "most justified"

The only thing left of Aztecs is their genes that have been progressively washed away by breeding with europeans
The few people who can still talk Nahuatl are absolute nonexistent compared to the mass of average mexicans

>>2802070
People are learning Nahuatl, it's the second most spoken language in Mexico. If a guy with 1/4 indian blood can be considered native in the US, then Mexicans who have more native have all the right to reclaim their heritage.

>>2802003
What? Are there people who think modern Chinese aren't related to the ancient Chinese?

>>2802003
>Modern Mexicans and the Aztecs.

Nearly everyone in South and Central America are race mixed to fuck. Mexicans are like 25 percent European.

>>2802120
Some Japanese ultranationalists who think the modern Chinese are mixed up with northern nomad blood. Some people who think Cultural Revolution means China destroyed itself and thus has no right to claim it's past.

>>2802126
I wouldn't go so far as to say the Chinese destroyed themselves, but a part of revolution is admitting and shunning your own country's past (both positive and negative). You can still be proud to be Chinese, but calling yourself a Maoist and then writing in traditional characters while the cook you hired to prepare your food (Confucius says cookin's nasty) would be hypocritical of either the ideal or the actions.

They are, by blood, still Chinese.

>>2802126
The irony is some Japanese people think they are descended from warrior Mongols which is why they are so "powerful". But any Chinese mixing with Mongols made the Chinese stupid and backwards,

>>2802148
No, they mean modern Chinese people can not claim anything from ancient China because they destroyed too much of their own culture and are thus "too different". It's like how people say modern Greeks can't identify with ancient Greeks and how modern Egyptians aren't anything like Ancient Egyptians.

>>2802167
Han and Mongol mixing only ever occurred in the North and it was very minimal. China has had a huge population since ancient times and they tended to assimilate everyone around them into their own ethnicity. The population genetics would hardly change.

>>2802003
Least Justified: Modern Italians claiming to be descended from Romans.

Most Justified: Modern Mexicans claiming descent from the Aztecs.

>>2802187
Modern Chinese culture and ancestry is far more similar to their ancestors than the modern Greeks are to ancient Greece. And this implies that the "ancient culture" was just one static and eternal thing. No culture ever is. They all change.

>>2802216
Exactly. The Chinese from the Ming dynasty are descended from the Chinese who lived in the Shang dynasty but they were very different culture wise despite both being ancient China.

>>2802003
>Least justified
American blacks saying they're pharaohs

>Most justified
Modern Japanese saying they're samurai. Japan is pretty much the only civilization that was never conquered. The current emperor claims to be able to trace his lineage back 4000 years or something.

>>2802240
Yet they constantly victimize themselves because of those two atom bombs in WWII.

>>2802003
Modern assyrian (chaldean) population has remained the same since the Bronze Age, their stock today is essentially the same as 3500 years ago.

>>2802240
Around 3000 years.

He is also a descendant of the Sun Goddess Amaterasu and the Storm God Susanoo.

>>2802240
>Modern Japanese saying they're samurai
You mean descended from samurai? Because most sure weren't.

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>>2802253
not for long if they keep squatting on ancient kurdish lands

>>2802253
They're being genocided and will be gone soon. RIP Middle Eastern Christians.

>>2802255
They're way closer to samurai than African Americans are to Egyptians.

>>2802003
>Least justified
Modern Jews and Ancient Hebrews

>Most justified
Modern Jews and Ancient Hebrews

>>2802003
>>Most justified
>Modern Chinese and the Han Empire

No shit.

>>2802003
Americans claiming anything

>>2802271
THIS

>>2802271
I kek'd at this

>>2802277
You will be surprised by the conspiracy theorists who think otherwise.

>Least justified
Palestinians and the Phillistines
>Most justified
Palestinians and the Hebrews

>>2802198
You are objectively wrong in the least justified category. Literal genetic tests prove you wrong.

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>>2802286

>>2802271
This is true though. I mean, Jewishness isn't dependent on ancestry and while most Jews do have that ancient DNA, you have whacko groups like Bnei Menashe and Black Hebrew Israelites. They could just convert but they keep focusing on the ancestry part.

>>2802303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochin_Jews

Cochin Jews are Israelites as well, they have the lineage to prove it but they still look Indian.

>>2802303
They're just jelly they aren't the chosen children and are too lazy for proper conversion.

>>2802311
I never denied Cochin Jews. I just think they Bnei Menashe and Black Hebrew Israelites are full of shit.

>>2802320
I wasn't sure if they were the same thing my bad

>>2802303
What about Kaifeng Jews?

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>>2802326
They caused the fall of the Han dynasty.

>>2802326
They're definitely Jewish descendants. They stopped practising because their numbers were too low.

>>2802326
They're legit because nobody in China would stop eating pork unless their religion said so.

>>2802285
Man, and here I thought Holocaust denial was delusional.

>>2802003
Mexicans are virtually all the descendants of Spaniards. The Aztecs, Incas, and all other native Mesoamerican / South American cultures are all but 100% decimated.

>>2802418
No, most Mexicans are mixed and have some Aztec ancestry.

>>2802268
I'm closer to being a walrus than modern blacks to egyptians

>>2802418
Nahua peoples still exist.

>>2802418
Indigenous Mexicans make up 20% of the population.

>>2802427
Mestizos claiming Aztec culture is like modern Egyptians claiming Ancient Egypt though. They're both descended from those ancient peoples but they're really different in genetics, language and culture.

>>2802427
Sure, just like most Americans are mixed and have some Cherokee ancestry.
>>2802443
Nice source
Aztecs got rekt by smallpox, Mexicans are mostly European and African because of all the slaves that have gone through there

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>>2802439

>>2802452
what are mestizos

>>2802463
Disillusioned roman catholic mexicans who want to believe their great great great great great great great granddaddy is Montezuma instead of Cortes

>>2802475
Nah, mestizos believe both of them were their ancestors. They're pretty aware they're mixed.

>>2802475
What

>>2802032
Have an image of him?

>>2802475
>implying mestizos don't claim both

>>2802016
The less degenerate looking Lebanese?

>>2802533
How valid is the Maronite claim to Phoenicia?
How valid is the Coptic claim to Ancient Egypt?

Since they both detest being called Arabs.

>>2802551
Well my Dad was born in Lebanon, and we are maronite, and he doesn't look really arab, but that's probably because we might have some Italian Crusader blood in us.

>Least Justified
Most Israelis claiming to be Hebrews (or at least more so than the Palestinians)

>Most Justified
Parsis claiming to be Persians (but only because of their amount of inbreeding)

>>2802551
Maronites aren't more Phoenician than other Lebanese, but Copts do have more Ancient DNA than other Egyptians. Assyrian continuity is by far the strongest claim, their genetics are distinct to their neighbors.

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>>2802003
>Modern Tunisians and Carthage
DELET
THIS
NOW

>>2802579
>Most Israelis claiming to be Hebrews
Explain how this is unjustified. I'm pretty sure both Israelis and Palestinians are descended from Hebrews.

>>2802589
You're gonna get Khazar theory bullshit.

>>2802589
not him, but desu after the zionist movement and the russian/european jews flooding palestine i'm sure (most) modern jews if DNA tested would turn out as russian and european diaspora, instead of hebrew semites

>>2802598
They have some European ancestry but they're still pretty damn Hebrew.

>>2802598
What? Are Jews considered white now?

>>2802598
That's a silly reason because Palestinians are mixed too.

>>2802606
>>2802589
>>2802598
Actually this is a really interesting question, have then been any large studies on Jewish ethnic lineages?
Could be a fun dissertation

>>2802621
There's been loads of them, anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

>>2802598
Do a test on someone who claims Jewish ethnicity and you'll get Middle Eastern genetic markers. And most of them will display Italian ancestry because that's where they lived around the longest - not Russian.

>>2802579
>Most Israelis claiming to be Hebrews

They actually can though. 61% of Israeli Jews are Mizrahi. Ashkenazi and Sephardim both descend from Israelites too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groups_claiming_affiliation_with_Israelites

>It is accepted that the Jews and the Samaritans are descendants of the ancient Israelites.

>(or at least more so than the Palestinians)

Palestinians aren't an ethnicity. A lot of them are a part of extended families. Don't pretend that a lot of them don't come from arab invasions. The husayni-clan has been leading their shit for awhile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Husayni_clan

>The Husaynis migrated to Jerusalem in the 12th century after Saladin drove out the Crusaders from the city and much of the Levant.

How would they be Hebrews? Jews are one of the few groups that maintained and didn't mix with others for most of their history. Until recently there weren't a lot of half-jews.

>>2802579
>>2802639
A lot of the Palestinians descend from Arab invaders, it's apparent in there last name. Just look at all their leaders. Some might have Jewish DNA but they sure as fuck don't have a better claim as Israelites then even Ashkenazi Jews.

"Masri" = from Egypt-Hamas member of Parliament, Mushir al-Masri (the word "masri" littelery means "the egyptian" in arabic !).
"Khamis"= Bahrain "Salem Hanna Khamis" "al-Faruqi"= Mosul, Iraq
"al-Araj" = Morocco, a member of the Saadi Dynasty "Hussein al-Araj"
"al Lubnani" = the Lebanese
"al-Mughrabi" = the Moroccan (Maghreb" – meaning "West" in Arabic, and usually referring to North Africa or specifically to Morocco)
"al-Djazair" = the Algerian
"al-Yamani" = the Yemeni "Issam Al Yamani"
"al-Afghani" = the Afghan
"al-Hindi" = the Indian "Amin al-Hindi"
"Iraqi" = from Iraq.
"halabi" = from Aleppo, Syria
"El Baghdadi" = from Baghdad Iraq.
"Tarabulsi"= Tarabulus-Tripoli, Lebanon.
"Hourani" = Houran Syria.
"al-Husayni" = Saudi Arabia.
"Saudi" = Saudi Arabia.
"Metzarwah"= Egypt.
"Barda---wil" = "Salah Bardawil" HAMAS legislator in Gaza; Egypt, Bardawil Lake area.
"Nashashibi" = Syria.
"Bushnak" = Bosnia
"zoabi"= from Iraq: "Haneen Zoabi".
"Turki" = Turkey "Daud Turki"
"al-Kurd" = Kurdistan.
"Haddadins" = YEMEN descended from Ghassanid Christian Arabs.
"Arab Abu-Kishk" = Egypt.(Bedouins)
"Arab al shakirat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al zabidat" = Egypt (Bedouins)
"Arab al aramsha" = Egypt (Bedouins)

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>>2802639
Palestinians don't exist.

YHWH confirmed already.

>>2777777

>>2802651
This. Both Jews and some Palestinians have Hebrew ancestry.
But the Jews have a much better claim.
The Samaritans have the best claim though.

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>>2802579
>Most Israelis claiming to be Hebrews

Most Israelis look like pic related, if you think they are all Russian you've clearly never been there

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>>2802655
>The Samaritans have the best claim though.

Exactly. There's only like 1,000 of them left but there are most likely the most "pure" Israelite.

>>2802003
Aztecs aren't 'ancient'

>>2802621
People are completely obsessed with Jewish DNA and you wonder if they've ever done any ancestry studies?

>>2802613
Palestinians are largely Arab. A few of them have Hebrew DNA from the Jews who didn't become diaspora.

>>2802450
The indigenous Mexicans and Copts have a better claim to their dead cultures.

>>2802583
Maronites are still more Phoenician if they reject Arabization 2bh

>>2802125
Most Mexicans are completely European, the other half are mixed race (mixed increases the further South of the country you get) Guatemalans are the least mixed/most native group in Centroamerica while Costa Rica is whiter than the US.

>>2802679
The only latin american country mostly completely european is argentina and maybe uruguay.

>>2802697
>argentina
Yet their tango music sounds like it's from West Africa.

>>2802702
Tango is a form of black music, but the blacks go kicked out by the whites. And I don't think there were ever that many native people in Argentina in the first place.

>>2802663
>>2802627
I've studied mostly eastern history so I don't think about the genetics of Hebrew descendants much lel
Makes sense though

>>2802702
They have africans but it's much smaller compared to their european population

>>2802234
The interesting part is that the Ming revived a 2000 years old traditional rites of Heaven Worship from the Shang by studying relics and historical texts.

>>2802702
It is
>Perhaps the most lasting effect of black influence in Argentina was the Tango, which charges some of the characteristics of the festivities and ceremonies that slaves developed in the so-called tango, meeting houses in which they are grouped with permission from their masters.
As for what happened to them
>The Afro-Argentine population resulting from the slave trade during the centuries of Spanish domination of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata had a major role in Argentine history. Throughout the 18th and 19th centuries they comprised up to fifty percent of the population in some provinces, and had a deep impact on national culture. In the 19th century the Afro-Argentine population declined sharply due to several factors, such as the Argentine War of Independence (c. 1810-1818), high infant mortality rates, low numbers of married couples in this ethnic group, the Paraguayan War, cholera epidemics in 1861 and 1864, and a yellow fever epidemic in 1871. By the late 19th century the Afro-Argentine population consisted mainly of women, who mixed with the large numbers of European immigrants.

>>2802710
Will there be ancient Chinese cultural revival in the modern age?

>>2802718
Is that not happening already?

>>2802718
>Foot binding becomes fashionable again

>>2802198
Modern Italians are descended from Romans though. But the blond ones are liars or mixed.

>>2802661
There's only about 700 of them. Jews and Samaritans argue over which of their religions is correct but they both recognize each other as Hebrews and think most Palestinian claims of Hebrew ancestry are bullshit.

>>2802718
Yupp. People in Xi'an are trying to make Hanfu popular and the traditional chinese dress again. Communist Party is against this because Muh Han Chuverism.

But soon Ying Zheng will rise form the dead to purge all communists and vanquish the Manchu devils!

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>>2802718
Considering you have shit like Hanfu being worn in weddings and the building a new temple on the site of the Yellow Emperor's purported grave and offering sacrifices to it in 1993 (something that was totally a no no during the Mao years).

It is what is happening rn in China.

>>2802003
>Least justified

Germanics (Anglos in particular) trying to claim the Romans, Greeks, Phoenicians, etc. were really like them when in reality they were a different people that saw Germanics as utterly uncivilized.

>Most justified
If it was justified, it wouldn't be we wuzzing. But I'll say the clearest and most undeniable links are probably modern China to ancient Chinese dynasties and modern Greece to ancient Greece.

>>2802725
>Manchus rule China again
>All the men wear those ugly braids
>Everyone is addicted to opium

>>2802742

>were really like them when in reality they were a different people that saw Germanics as utterly uncivilized

So? That doesn't mean that Germans were uncivilized. Neither were Gauls or Dacians.

But I agree that it is retarded the amount of veneration western and eastern European have for an empire that slaughtered their people en masse and destroyed their cultures.

Romanians are autistic as fuck. On one hand they revere the Romans, and like the fact that Romanian is practically neo-Latin infused with Slavic/Greek/Turkish/Hungarian influences... and on the other they become mouth-drooling retards that insisted Dacians built the pyramids and migrated to Italy to teach the Romans latin.

I feel that almost all Europeans that had to deal with the Romans suffer from this, but the Latin countries most of all.

>>2802003
>Least justified
Black Hebrew Israelites

>Most justified
Assyrian continuity

>>2802742
There are people who say the modern Greeks are mixed with Turks and Slavs.

>>2802651
The surnames don't prove anything but I do agree that the Jews have the greater claim based on the hundreds of genetic studies.

>>2802770
These people are retarded.

>>2802286
Very, very few Palestinians are descended from Hebrews. And most of their Hebrew ancestry actually comes from the Jews who never left the Holy Land.

>>2802725
>>2802752
Some of things are better left in the past.

>>2802654
That whole thread is full of idiots. I think people and their families who have been living on that land deserve to be left in peace but the Palestinians calling themselves Hebrew to "claim" it is just pathetic. It's been proven over and over that Jews and Samaritans are the actual descendants. But of course someone is going to say it's all just "Jew propaganda".

>>2802598
You don't know shit about history. Ashkenazi have Jewish ancestry and they don't even make up the majority of Israel's population.

>>2802675
I want pan-Arabism to die so I don't mind Israel. MAKE KURDISTAN HAPPEN!

>>2802742
Isn't the Modern Chinese =/= Ancient Chinese a Japanese nationalist meme? I seriously can't believe people think hundreds of millions of Chinese people just disappeared and got replaced by a new batch of hundreds of millions of people who claimed to be Chinese.

>>2802828
Japan hates China but a fuckload of their culture was borrowed from China so they have to come up with crazy reasons to separate the two.

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>>2802839

>b-but we were always c-civilized
>we b-built palaces, b-baka!!!

t. your average Japanese imperialist

It's amazing to me how a country that was living in "palaces" until the Chinese and Koreans taught them what civilization was could be so ass-blasted about it.

Who cares.

>>2802702

We are destined for something.

>>2802859

>We are destined for something.

So were the Assyrians and the Jews.

>>2802828
They think the Chinese got wiped out or completely mixed with the northern nomads like Mongols and Manchus. Needless to say, this is complete bullshit.

>>2802003
>least justified
Finns claiming Rurik was /theirguy/
>Most justified
Swedes founding Russia

>>2802850
Even fucking sushi has it's origins in Southeast Asia. Honestly, I feel like Japan is only relevant because of the crazy shit it pulled in WWII.

>>2802876
>“There are a lot of similarities between the ethnic tribes of southeast China and the Japanese people,” Isassi says. “Because of this, there’s speculation that a certain chunk of people from southern China emigrated to Japan and heavily influenced the food culture.”

What the hell

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>>2802501
Yes

>>2802876

Thats fine.

>>2802883
Nothing more powerful than Chinese food.

>>2802883
>sushi doesn't originate from japan
I learn something new every day.

>>2802883
I could see the Chinese influence on Thai food but I didn't know this.

>>2802828
It's basically the same as people who insist that the Persians or North Africans or Anatolians or Romans, each in their tens of millions, were wiped out/bred out by a few thousand conquering soldiers each. Except in China's case it was supposedly the Mongols/Xiongnu/Manchus/etc rather than Arabs.

>>2802883
>A fourth century Chinese dictionary mentions salted fish being placed in cooked rice, causing it to undergo a fermentation process. This may be the first time the concept of sushi appeared in print. The process of using fermented rice as a fish preservative originated in Southeast Asia several centuries ago.

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>>2802909

>>2802452
There were so few africans in mexico because there lots of natives even after the plagues. Mexico is the least black country on this continent. Even peru has more black people

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>>2802911

>why does everyone think everything was from china?

Because it was?

>>2802909
The sushi we eat is Japanese but you can trace the origins all the way back to Southeast Asia and Southern China. The fermentation process was introduced to Northern China around 200 years later. This was refined by the Chinese and they introduced it to Japan 500 years later where it was further modified.

Just some shit I learned from /ck/.

>>2802883
Koi, origami, and bonsai are all Chinese in origin too.

>>2802943
I hear the kimono is also influenced by China.

>>2802943
>>2802951
This is why I never understood people saying things like Japan has a "unique culture". It looks like the stuff I see in ancient Korea or China. Yeah they have their differences but there's a reason why people often get those three confused.

>>2802970
>Least justified
Japan and a unique culture

>>2802970
"unique culture" doesn't even mean anything because no culture is unique and Japanese culture is literally one of the most unoriginal ones.

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>>2802894

>>2802943
As is Goku.

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>>2802655

Jews didn't build Jerusalem, they invaded the region. They invaded it for a short time, and the Hebrews/Israelites were mixed race, we see a telling example in Uriah the Hittite who was one of David's elites. The Israelites were like a feudal class who took the peoples of the Levant as hosts.

Under Solomon in the archeological record we find pagan temples being used still and built by the Israelites. One of the condemnations of the Israelites was their mixing with the religions of the Levant.

In the Hellenistic period the Israelites were no different to any other people, they became Hellenized, before the Maccabean revolt, Zeus was made the Israelite god and Gymnasiums were erected.

After the Roman Empire became Christian, nearly all of the Levant became Christian. The last claim Jews had on the Levant came from Babylon through the invasion of the Levant by Babylonian Jews and Persians.

Jews have nearly no history in the Levant, over the last 3000 years the region has been more Polytheistic, Christian, or Muslim than Jewish.

>>2802983
Is this the new copypasta?

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>>2802992
If you like, be my guest.

>>2802983
>Jews didn't build Jerusalem, they invaded the region.
No, that's what the Jews claim. But Jews lie about everything, 90% of Pentateuch/Joshua/Judges/Kings/Samuel is literal dogshit, only after the Babylonian exile you can find actually accurate accounts.

>>2802992
It should be.

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>>2802983
>Jews have nearly no history in the Levant

>>2803009
Jews are actually aliens from a parallel universe sent by a giant frog man to take control of the music industry.

>>2802943
This is what "Made in China" actually means.

>>2802060
But they are you pathetic little retard, btw you forgot Urartu and Luwians, which are their closest claims

>>2803014
YHWH is Kek
Kek is Pepe
Jews worship Pepe in disguise

>>2802983
This is honestly complete and utter bullshit. Archaeology in the Levant has well showed us the validity of the Old Testament.

>>2803021
It actually showed the opposite. Read Bible Unearthed from Finkelstein.

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>>2802828
>>2802126

It's a stupid meme in and of itself because it's based on the notion that "Chineseness = Race."

When Chineseness was largely cultural. You could be some red haired Iranic steppe barbarian for all they cared but if you spoke Chinese, followed Chinese philsophies, lived in China, and most importantly, considered the bearer of the Mandate of Heaven as your liege, congrats you're part of the collective.

Sure that culture was based of the Han culture (which is yet another collective), but once you're acculturated, they didn't consider you barbarian anymore.

>>2802970
I've heard people say that too and I was always confused. Japan borrowing Koreanized Chinese culture makes them unique? How?

>>2803021
What is bullshit? Israelites who're not Jews, invaded the region around 1000BC. The peoples of the Levant were Polytheists, the Israelites themselves adopted the religions and customs of the inhabitants. The old testament is about the prophets trying to turn the Israelites away from Polytheism. The Book of Amos (880BC) condemns the people for their Polytheism, this occurs throughout the Old Testament.

Remember who built the Temples, the Pagan Canaanites, who rebuilt the Temples? The Pagan Indo Europeans, the Persians.

>>2803024
>(((Finkelstein)))
Not sure if I can trust one of those people

>>2803046
Obviously he's a kike and he's refuting most of kike myths.

>>2803046
Never trust them. It's probably all part of some larger brainwashing plan 2bh.

>>2803034
Sounds like a U.S. meme that got propagated in the 70s-80s to encourage people to learn Japanese when their economy was flourishing. They had good relations with Japan whereas they didn't like China and hardly knew about Korea.

>>2802003
Stoop rehashing this topic and beating this once funny meme into the molten core.

>>2802731
Augustus: Blonde hair
Caligula: Blonde beard
Nero: Blonde hair
Titus: Blonde hair
Domitian: Blonde hair
Trajan: Blonde hair
Lucius Verus: Blonde hair
Commodus: Blonde hair
Not to mention that a fuck load of Romans were redheads.
It's a similar story with the greeks, a large minority had yellow hair.
This meme that only ''Germanics'' can have blonde hair needs to die. It is wewuzing

>>2803083
Even the Etruscan depicted themselves as having blonde hair.

>>2803083
>Blonde
>Men
Learn English.

>>2803024
>telling people to read a jew book
Nice try.

>>2803083

>Augustus: Blonde hair
>Caligula: Blonde beard
>Nero: Blonde hair
>Titus: Blonde hair
>Domitian: Blonde hair
>Trajan: Blonde hair
>Lucius Verus: Blonde hair
>Commodus: Blonde hair

Where are the sources on that? I'm not doubting it, just want to have tangible evidence.

>>2803092
You never read the Bible then?

>>2803088
That's one of my pet peeves too.

>>2803094
Why would I want to read about Jewish fairy tales?

>>2803046
So you're either gonna believe Kike book 1 (with no arguments and evidence) or Kike book 2 (with arguments and evidence), make a pick.

>>2803101
I'm the guy that sparked this discussion, I think you're a dimwit moron.

>>2803103
Why?

>>2803101
Both of them suck. Only the Quran is worth reading.

>>2803106
Yes, remove the Jew.

>>2803088
heh, i was going to try to refute your post but then i noticed you made an insignificant spelling mistake :P
>>2803093
Suetonius for the first few (described as having 'subflavum' hair, which means either yellow or red, there is a dispute over the meaning)
The Historia Augusta desribes lucius verus as blond
Also found this thread http://historum.com/ancient-history/36051-physical-appearance-roman-emperors.html

>>2803088
This happened because people are so obsessed with women's hair.

>>2803113
You made that same mistake 8 times.

>>2803034
Maybe the "unique culture" refers to how weird Japan is today?

>>2803086
The minority of them

>>2803083
>This meme that only ''Germanics'' can have blonde hair needs to die. It is wewuzing

Oh please, people on this board still believe all black Africans are the same and Jews are evil.

>>2803124
So nothing has changed.

>>2803030
This, it is pretty hilarious how Chinese have become an etnich term instead if a cultural one. Back in the days there were only Hua and Yi. Anyone could be Hua. The Han who defected to the xiongnu would literally be considered race traitors while Xiongnu who defected to Han became Hua. However to become part of Huaxia they would need to marry another with Huaxia ancestry. Which wasn't that hard considering any group that migrated and swore loyalty to the Emperor would get a wife. This is how the Hui came to be for example.

>Most
Finns claiming to be the predecessors, progenitors and cultivators of every civilization in Europe
>Least
Everyone else except Koreans

>>2803252
>Chinese have become an ethnic term instead if a cultural one.
It's because of European politics. Everything becomes racialized.

>>2803281
Same reason people are so obsessed with proving their Jewishness with ancestry testing when they could just formally convert.

>>2803265
>except
You mean especially
Koreans are the unwashed barbarian destroyers of proto-ancient civilisations

>>2802828
Those hundreds of millions of Chinese people were murdered by hundreds of millions of fake Chinese people. These fake Chinese later committed mass suicides in Nanking to make Japan look bad.

>>2802828
I only know of it as a Japanese conspiracy. Maybe some weeaboos believe it too.

>In 1657, Tokugawa Mitsukuni established the Mito School, which was charged with writing a history of Japan as a perfect exemplar of a "nation" under Confucian thought, with the emphasis on unified rule by the emperors and respect for the imperial court and Shinto deities.

>In an ironic affirmation of the spirit of Sinocentrism, claims were even heard that the Japanese, not the Chinese, were the legitimate heirs of Chinese culture. In the early Edo period, neo-Confucianist Yamaga Soko asserted that Japan was superior to China in Confucian terms and more deserving of the name "Chūgoku". Other scholars picked this up, notably Aizawa Seishisai, an adherent of the Mito School, in his political tract Shinron (新論 New Theses) in 1825.

>As a country that had much to gain by eclipsing Chinese power in East Asia, Japan in more recent times has perhaps been most ardent in identifying and demolishing what it dismissively calls Chūka shisō (中華思想), loosely meaning 'Zhonghua ideology'. One manifestation of Japanese resistance to Sinocentrism was the insistence for many years in the early 20th century on using the name Shina (支那) for China, based on the Western word 'China', in preference to Chūgoku (中国 Central Country) advocated by the Chinese themselves.

>Another example is the claim, heard among some commentators on China, that general depopulation and the incursion of races from the north during the period of the Three Kingdoms (三国) led to the virtual replacement of the original Chinese race by non-Chinese.[35] The general thrust of this kind of claim is to deny the continuity of a "pure" Chinese civilization and discredit modern Chinese claims and appeals to their ancient history.

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>>2803265
How so? People up there were saying that Korean culture is borrowed from China and mutated into a new one, and now you're saying it's a lie, with no one posting any sources.

>>2803561
This is some delusional shit

>>2803561
Lmao this reminds me of "Macedonians" saying the modern Greeks have no claim to Ancient Greece because they got replaced by Slav and Turk mixing, but Alexander the Great belongs to them.

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>>2802060
>>2803016
You forgot Hattians, Kassites, Cimmerians

>>2803561
Yeah, there was a huge population decline but the Chinese numbers were still in the millions (around 16 million). There were only a couple thousand nomads at the time. I don't understand how that could affect the population genetics.

>>2803676
They think the nomads numbered in the millions even though that wouldn't have been possible because they were NOMADS.

Most justfied:

Poles, Russians and Ukrainians being pure descendants of Iranians like the Scythians, Sarmatians, Parthians, Persians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Tocharians etc

>Least
Germanics LARPing as "Aryans"
>Most
Us actual Aryans embracing our true history (t. Persian)

>>2802038
>Theres a reason why we all are speaking English right now.
Yes, because the USA made English the world lingua franca after WWII

>>2802598
Fucking thank you. Judaism is a RELIGION. Russian Jews are just Russian, there is nothing genetic about it. I was born catholic, there's nothing genetic about it.

Why do Jews insist Judaism is more than a religion?

>>2803835
Judaism is ethnoreligious, dumbass.

>>2802651
Most Palestinians have somewhat of Jewish DNA, it definitely overlaps. I have a Palestinian friend who did a 23andme and it said he was part Ashkenazi, so I would assume there's definitely somewhat of a connection.

However the ones that think Palestinians are some "pure version" of Hebrews is ridiculous, they assimilated with Arab culture so whatever they were before they forgot.

>>2803835
>Judaism is a RELIGION
Yes? It's also a tribe/ethnicity.

>Russian Jews are just Russian
They're Jews who live in Russia

>born catholic
That's not how Christianity works

>nothing genetic about it
Boy are you a shitty Catholic if you don't know this.

>>2803835
>born catholic
lmao

>>2802003
How is Tunisia not justified but Mexico is?

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>>2802003
>Least justified
African-Americans and anything
>Most justified
Modern Jews and the Khazars

>>2802003
>Least justified
Modern Assyrians and ancient Assyrians

>Most justified
Modern Jews and Israelites, they've done a better job preserving their identity then most

>>2803914
Stop posting this meme already.

>>2803914
>The actual Semitic genes are of the same tribe as the Palestinians
kek

>>2802003
>Least justified
Black people claiming virtually anthing
Australoid Indians claiming Indo-European achievements and culture

>Most justified
Non-Arab Iranians and the Persian empire

>>2803914
If they converted then they're still Jews lmao and the land still belongs to them according to the Torah (the Quran even says so). Being a non-practising descendant is actually less important.

>>2803957
Yeah, formal conversion makes them just as valid as matrilineal descent. People don't seem to realize this basic shit.

>least justified
European-Americans claiming anything other then European peasantry.

>most justified
Black Americans claiming European royalty.

>>2802756
Actually the reasons Romanians wewuz about Dacia and Rome is simple. The idea we wuz pure Roman colonists with no roman was created by the Ardeal school. It was utterly autistic and unfunded. The we wuz dacians and they created everything is the countermovement to that. In reality I believe the truth is we are something in between with a large slavic influence.

>>2802003
>Least justified
English people and King Arthur

>Most justified
Modern Chinese and the Ancient Chinese. This meme has become way too common on this board.

>>2804020
>Least justified
>English people and King Arthur
What? Enlighten me please.

>>2804032
King Arthur is ironically very popular with the English and some idiots even think he's an English king.

>>2804020
I dont think any English actually claim King Arthur was real?

>>2804046
What was he then? I know he was based on some real person. I've been to Tintagel Castle a few times.

>>2804046
The French have a better claim to Arthur.

>>2803835
Thank you. It's apparent from looking at a Russian Jew they don't have a drop of middle eastern DNA. I don't see why they believe they have a right to Palestine when they are indigenous to the Caucasus mountains, meanwhile the Palestinians are indigenous to Palestine...

>>2804053
Arthur was based on a real person or multiple real people. They often suggest Lucius Artorius Castus was an inspiration.

>>2804068
You could try to be funnier.

>>2804064
Arthur is not English.

>>2802621
Yes, Jews are the most studied ethnic groups by far. Mizrahi, Sephardic, Ashkenazic Jews and Samaritans all have a common origin in the Levant.

They clearly have significant Levantine DNA and can claim the Israelites I still don't think it means shit in the IPC

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>>2802003
>Least justified

Iraqi Arabs LARPing as ancient Mesopotamians

Egyptian Arabs LARPing as ancient Egyptians

>Most justified

Modern Assyrians and ancient Mesopotamia

Copts and ancient Egypt

Maronites and Phoenicia

>>2804079
Ok dude really convincing thanks for the enlightening debate

>>2804020
When are people going to say the Ancient Chinese were Indo-European and they got outbred by Mongoloid hordes?

>>2804097
The problem is people know Arthur is British but they immediately think British = English. The historical Arthur may have been a Romano-British leader who fought the invading Anglo-Saxons after the Roman provincial government collapsed during the Early Middle Ages.
The Anglo-Saxons eventually controlled most of Britain, and the name England is derived from them. English people are the descendants of Arthur's enemies. Indigenous British hegemony was reduced to a few regions like Wales and Cornwall and other Britons had by then migrated to Brittany in France (where they were known as Bretons). They carried on the Arthurian legend.

>>2804089
>Maronites and Phoenicia
Except that's not true. Phoenician genes are everywhere. Maronites don't have more of them than Muslim Lebanese.

>>2802032
Lebanese Christians literally are Phoenicians

>>2802198
b8

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>>2802450
>They're both descended from those ancient peoples but they're really different in genetics, language and culture.
Modern Egyptians are the same as old in genetics
>inb4 Copts
There's 4 races in Egypt

>>2804240
>Modern Egyptians are the same as old in genetics
Not really, they've got significantly more subsaharian african admixture.

>>2803945
>Australoid Indians claiming Indo-European achievements and culture
What achievements? They got assimilated in within a few centuries at most?
What culture? You mean the only practised ""Aryan"" culture while literally every other IE prays to a Semitic god?

Literally everything that India's given to the world is from """australoids"". Kill yourself shitposter.

>>2802983
>They invaded it for a short time, and the Hebrews/Israelites were mixed race

Not true.

Israelites are the Canaanites. The bible isn't historically accurate. Judaism is an extension of Canaanite religion. Ba'al was a Caananite God, Yahweh was a Caananite God, El (Elohim) was a Caananite God. Ancient Jews worshipped Moloch, we know this now.

>>2803005
Exactly. They made up that they invaded and slaughtered the """Canaanites""" when they quite literally were the Canaanites. Most Historians think it was a civil war of sorts, where Israelites were the ones who made YHWH their primary God but still refered to him by some of the other Gods (Baal, Elohim)

>>2803050
The kike myth was that the Exodus happened and they came and slaughtered some people, when we know now they were literally child sacrificing Moloch worshippers. Abraham was a pagan at first.

>>2804248
>Not really, they've got significantly more subsaharian african admixture.
>significant
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt

The vast majority of the modern Egyptian bloodline comes from the pre-Arab ancestors, which isn't surprising.

>>2804248
Sub-Saharan is a new racialized concept, not properly scientific.

>>2804307
I'm referencing stuff that is 3 months old at best, anon, it's not on wiki.
>>2804309
No.

>>2802016
romans killed them all then the mohammedeans raped the half breeds

>>2802003
Where do gypsies/roma fall on the wewuzz scale?

>>2804571
>Least justified
Gypsies and Egyptians

>Most justified
Gypsies and POO IN LOO

>>2802679
>Most Mexicans are completely European,
funny and here i though mexico was over 70%
mestizo

>"A 2006 study conducted by Mexico's National Institute of Genomic Medicine (INMEGEN), which genotyped 104 samples, reported that mestizo Mexicans are 58.96% European, 35.05% "Asian" (primarily Amerindian), and 5.03% Other"

40% not European, doesn't seem very European to me

>>2802060
>Saladin
He was a kurd

>>2804571
what do they have to be proud of?

>>2802038
Northern Italians are most likely the descendants of celts. Since northern Italy was heavily settled by roman friendly Celtic tribes. As was Hispaniola(Spain). The dark completion of spainards is courtesy of the many invasions from Northern Africa.

>>2804248
Modern egyptians are very similar to old egyptians

They think they are arabs because they are both semetic people, but the arab admixture is overplayed, and is mostly a cultural thing.

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>>2802894
i knew what was coming, yet i still keked

>>2804185
No they aren't.

>>2802418
No, there's plenty of race mixing and still lots of natives in certain areas.

>>2802702
>their tango music sounds like it's from West Africa
yeah, sure..compare any tango orchestra with african music. Tango is't practically urbanized rural folk music with bandoneon and violin.

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>>2802894

>>2804918
One school of thought is that the Celts originated in-and-around the Alps and Northern Italy, or that a subset of the group lived there in the Iron Age. There are some genetic markers which are most prevalent in the British Isles and Italy, and also the Romance and Celtic language families have certain similarities.

>>2802627
See, I think the secret trick here is we don't exactly know what an ancient Jew is DNA wise. We just don't have mummies to draw from. So all these comparison studies end up "constructing" a base which ends in never ending interpretation.

>>2804918
>The dark completion of spainards is courtesy of the many invasions from Northern Africa.
The fact that southern Spain is much sunnier than northern Spain must no have anything to do with it.

>>2805846
Do you even music theory? The rhythmic structure is African.

>>2806145
They're gonna say jazz isn't black either

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>>2804918
Wrong.

While there were celts in Iberia, all the people in Southern, Eastern and the Basque region were Pre-Indoeuropeans, as documented by the written stelae they left behind during the iron age and roman age, which conveyed something similar to Basque.

Even in Aquitaine (South Western France) people kept speaking a non indoeuropean langauge close to Basque until the middle ages

>>2802038
The whole popular culture thinks you're disgusting
you'll never win (((our))) war

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>>2802240
Ayyyyyyy. U win

>I claim songhai heritage but don't see how it matters much considering that you are in the now and non of your ancient ancestors can help you with tha shit your dealing with now

>>2802710
Ming weren't the first to revive the madate of heaven

>>2806090
And why are you such a dumbass

>>2806177
WE WUZ JAZZ MUSICIANS AND SHEIT

northern italians-germanic/roman hybrids
central italians-romunz an shiet
southern italians-arab/roman hydrids

how close am i?

>Least justified
White people claiming to be anywhere but caves thousands of years ago

>Most justified
Jews with Hebrews, Italians with Romans, Lebanese Christians with Phoenicians

>>2804089
>Maronites and Phoenicia
Please end this meme already. Phoenician genes can be found all over the place. Maronites don't have more than anyone else.

>>2804089
>Egyptian Arabs LARPing as ancient Egyptians
>Copts and ancient Egypt
I don't get it. They're both Egyptian and thus both have a claim.

>>2802003
>Least justified

Easily Greeks and the Byzantine Empire

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>>2806361
The majority of the Muslims who settled in the emirate of Sicily weren't arabs. They were North African Berbers. And even then they were mostly expelled when the region was rechristianized. The genetic admixture from the Muslims was pretty negligible anyways. It's way less than the Berber DNA among Andalusian Spainards. Southern Italians are genetically identical to central Italians. While Northern Italians have always been pretty indistinguishable from Germanic people. That wasn't even the result of German settlers.

>>2806656
Southern Italians have Jewish blood

>>2806145
>>2806177
That means that Jazz and Rock sound like Western African music? Again, search for tango and african music and tell me how they sound the same and use the same instruments, your wewuzing is gettig worse.

>>2806656
Why did the Romans draw like marc Silvestri

>>2806683
Music theory yourself.

>>2806656

my ancestry results beg to differ

>no north African
>1/5 Arab

t. sicilian dispora

>>2806552
Basically ancient Egyptians were white and Brown Egyptians are invaders. It's dumb but it's what they think.

>>2807114
Copts aren't white though. They come in all shades and most are brown.

>>2802060
Achaemenids aren't a race/ethnicity/nationality.

>>2807114
that is dumb

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>>2802475
You fool. My blood seethes with divine Aztec Warrior and Spanish Conquistador blood.

>>2802894
Thanks

>>2807283
your blood seethes with divine housekeeper and busboy blood

>>2802894
kek

>>2803252
Thank Dr Sun Zhongshan and the KMT for introducing Nationalism to China. They rightfully saw that "Chineseness" needed to form a proper national identity to survive in world dominated by the West and its Westphalian conception of the nation state.

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Most Mexicans never play the card of the we WUZ Kings and shit.

I'm mexican and my great great father that passed away at 106 last year fought with Zapata and knew carranza.

My fucking ant kept all the antiques instead of him pretty sad but was his fault

It's pretty much all wewuzing. Those people are long dead. Instead of looking forward people try to idolize the past and appropriate the history of people long gone instead of forging their own history. Being born in some land that people inhabited thousands of years ago doesn't make you special.

>>2802418
Literally all of Yucatan is mainly Inca. Some towns even have more inca speakers than spanish speakers.

>>2803931
But one of them speaks the ancient language which the Jews themselves adopted while Hebrew got revived. It also hasn't been reformed or regulated by a state.

As a speaker of it, just the other day I was hearing the Civilization V Darius audio which is directly from the Imperial dialect and most of it is the same.

>>2802579
>Persian
>Parsis
I hope you aren't knocking on native Persians living in Iran but while I don't have an issue with Parsis/Parsees, you do know genetically they are heavily admixed with Indians due to their dwindling population right?

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So what did actually happen Khazars?
Is it true that modern ashkenazi are just WeWuzians who larp as ancient Jews?

>>2808877
You mean Mayan, right?

>>2809496
Yes.

I am sleepy.

>>2802917
No, Chile is the least black.

>>2809475
they wernt jewish, they had a few jewish nobles, but the majority of them were not jewish

Ashkenazi are descended from roman Jews, who came from Judea and lived in rome, IE: they are mostly Jewish with a little bit of southern Italian

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>>2809557
That's quite a lot of jewish immigrants to rome don't you think?