Roma Invicta!

Cool video on Roman government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz2qu7Sow2Y

>>2238779
Justinian I was the greatest Roman Emperor everyone who disagrees is a Latin-fetishist cuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mue9FuANpAA

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Alexander's Hellenistic empire>Roman empire/Republic

Rome is pretty cool tho

>>2238932
Why cant you normies into Vespasian

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I just finished reading Legionary.

The bants are pretty good and it actually provided me with a few things I didn't know, and one thing I wish I wasn't told.

>mfw I found out how Legionaries washed their asses

We should restore Rome.

Have our own senate, buy some land, I'd be great.

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Would want to fight for the republic along with caesar

>>2238957
Alexander was a flash in the pan. Rome lasted for centuries.

>>2239085
>caesar
>for the republic

What you meant to say was Manius Curius Dentatus .

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>>2239241

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>>2239246

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>>2238779
The senpai

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>>2238779

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>>2239249
Why don't you fags take the full romapill and become a Roman pagan? The most based classical religion by far.
You're not a true Romaboo if you're not.

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>>2239257

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This thread is my jam

>>2238932
Just kys

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>>2239261

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>>2239265

>>2238932
>emporers
>great

Libertas et Res Publica

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>>2239268
What's Augustus trying to say in this tongue twister of a quote?

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>>2239275

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>>2239283

>>2238978
How did they wash their bums?

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Ave Caesar!

>>2239275
"people listened to me when I was young, so listen to me now faggots"

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>>2239286

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>>2239295

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>>2239302

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>>2239307

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I have the urge to move to Italy, buy a cheap villa in a ghost town (plenty of those in central Italy as people move to the cities for work) and LARPing as a Roman. I mean dressing as one and decorating my house like one.

I can't be the only one who wants to do this.

>>2239288

Communal sponges on sticks that they washed by dunking into buckets of water.

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>>2239312
Not Roman but this always makes me laugh.

>>2239313
That sounds so good pham

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>>2239321

>>2239088
No one was worthy of him

>>2239257
>Asatruar is popular despite only a fraction of the Indo-European population realistically being able to practice it under the conditions specified
>Hellenismos is not only far more known about in every way, but also easier to access for the right people
I'll never understand it desu.

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>>2239329
She looks a lot like her father.
Would of have been a great fuck, lads.

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>>2239337

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>>2239316
Didnt all Romans do this?

>tfw you will never own a private poo sponge

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>>2239344

>>2239345

Probably but you are missing the key word here:

>Communal

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>>2239348

>>2239337
apparently she offered herself up to random men on the street at night

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>>2239352

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>>2239374
I have a few more after this, going to brb for a bit.

Blue arms and armor a best.

Red arms and armor a shit.

>>2239381
delet

>>2238779
>safe environment.
No wonder this forum is so slow, you want to be circle jerking faggots.


A forum by definition is the exchange of views, which results in a common understanding of a problem.

You might as well be jacking off in here.

>>2239460
masturbation is an inferior form of pleasure
I'd rather fuck my boyslave

>>2239271
fuck off cicero no one likes you

>>2239313
YES
PLEASE
I want this to be my life.

>>2239460
>>>/carthage/

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>>2239460

http://www.strawpoll.me/12136185

Marius or Sulla?
Catalina or Cicero?
Caesar or Cato?
these are question we all have to ask ourselves

>>2239313

The architecture of the typical domus is legit great and i want to build a house that way some day.

>Interior, central courtyard with all rooms connected to it and making it a big open space
>Rows of columns and gardens with fountains and small crops at the back

>>2239307
He's dressed as Hercules

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Every time I think I Rome I always look at it longingly ;_;

Come back .. please ..

>>2238970
Why Vespasian tho?

>>2240120
Yesssssssss, take me with you as your boy slave lover and do what you will of me

>>2240202
Wow, Hannibal looked good

Roman Empire is best empire.

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I need some books. I've read Gibbon but haven't read anything else that deals with Rome exclusively. So I'd like to bring myself up to the 21st century.

What are the standards?

>>2239257

Mithras and the ancestors are the only truly Roman cults.

The pantheon gods just weren't as connected with the people.

>>2240127
What's your point? He would dress as hercules in the arena and kill wild beasts.

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>>2239312

>>2240100
Marius, Cicero, Caesar

>>2238970
>Trajan
FTFY

>>2240421
I know you're baiting, but for those that don't know, the image in question is of Caracalla.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracalla

>>2239275
It's generally held that young people should listen to old people because they are wiser and more experienced. Augustus, as an old man, is emphasising his greatness even more by saying that when he was young old men listened to *him*.

>there will never be pop history on the Tetrarchy period

why live

>>2239257
As an actual Roman polytheist, I agree with this statement.

Asatru is okay, but so many pagans are taken in by Wicca (which is a made-up religion dating back to the 1950's) or Druidry, which is just Celtic savagery bullshit that has been dolled up by Yeats and other Celtic Romanticists.

Some memes about Varus and loss of three legions?

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Probably gonna get made fun of even here but this is my shitty tattoo I started. Gonna be adding in the future some kind of sleeve I think. I kinda wanted a eagle standard but figured Id be just called a neo nazi and have trouble explaining.

>>2239313
why don't we all do this and found a new rome?

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Salve guys I'm looking for pic related but I can't find it anyone got a link or something?

>>2241749

Why not the Luperca?

Or a laurel triumph, an arch and a vase of wine

Or you could embrace the uncomfortable imagery and cross a fasces, a gladius and a scale

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>>2239328
>>2239754
>>2240120
>>2242082
We should build a small Roman LARP settlement. We could easily get 1,000+ people from around the world to help us. Everyone would have a role: guards, farmers, elected officials. Do what you want and live in your villa with a qt 3.14 puellae where our Numidian slaves cater to our needs.

hnng sounds like the ultimate dream, lads

>>2240694
I've enjoyed Adrian Goldsworthy. Don't know what the autists here think about him tho, so I don't know if he's "/his/ approved"

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>>2242338
I would offer 1000 bulls to the gods for this

>>2242338
Where would it be anon

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>>2242405
I know that there's hundreds of medieval LARPer settlements around Europe, but they really need to build a Roman one.

>>2242431
Italy. There's thousands of ghost towns in rural communities as people move to the cities for work. Land is practically free out there.

>>2242449
> Land is practically free out there

source m8? I want to emigrate

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>>2242449
Just to add on to this, we could be like the American Amish, but a Roman version.

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>>2242460
You'll have to search real estate sites specific to the province you're interested in, but here's an article about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3078943/Buy-house-gorgeous-Italian-countryside-just-1-Village-homes-given-away-stop-blight-ghost-towns-ll-need-promise-18-000-up.html This article is sort of dumb because it lists a 'catch', but you get the gist of it. Not every town is like this.

This is the only decent article in English I could find, but my Italian friend says that housing is really cheap in some provinces. Just use Google Translate and use Italian real estate websites. English websites will give you expensive listings.

>>2242304
I have to explain the Roman writing enough I live in the South I don't need skin heads and black people getting irrate for the wrong reasons. But the Luperca isnt a terrible idea.

>>2240802
Is far right only in Attila or can you get it in Rome II?

>>2238779
Was Sulla in the wrong?

> Rome thread
> isn't in Latin
Shit board. Called the Magistrates.

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>>2242664
Speaking of latin, what's the best book/way to learn it? Been thinking about giving it a go

>>2242635
I'd side with the Optimatoi, but Sulla brought about the downfall of the Republic by setting the precedent for marching on Rome. Before him, all conflict was political(and getting the plebs into lynch mobs). But Sulla said "Nah, I'll just put a sword through you. Screw political maneuvering"

>>2242682
Go to Google Books. Select 'free ebooks'. Search for 'Practical Latin Grammar'.

Read it, do the exercises. Repeatedly for about 10 years.

>>2242682
It is not worth to learn it. Infenctional languages are bitch to learn.

>>2242768
> Infenctional languages are bitch to learn.
> Infenctional

Latin is very easy as far as languages go. You can pick up the fundamentals in about a week.

>>2242785
nah

>>2239334
It's because Greco-Roman paganism never really died. It transformed into literary metaphors, artistic subjects and fables.

>>2238932
thats not how you spell diocletian

>>2242338

It would be easier to get a spot in a town and turn it into a teaming, lively forum

>Merchants selling and peddling all sorts of goods, vegetables, cattle and slaves all over the place, crowds of plebs wandering the streets
>Workers resting at corners and drinking dilluted wine
>Random people giving sermons, speeches and lessons, debates and open talks about any subjects all day
>Tribunes of the plebs stirring shit, the senate in session
>Temple priests doing the services and rites of the calendar
>People in baths working out and getting oiled up
>Public trials in the courts, praetors and questors going back and forth
>Plays, circus acts, fights and musical performances
>Whores and dancers pulling people in
>Gladiator fights and races

>>2239257
Why would I?

>all the glory of the roman culture
>added benefits of christianity

It's literally the best civilization you could ever have, just gotta take out the trash barbarians from the empire.

>>2239460
t. German

>>2240414
It's not fun if you enjoy it.

R O M A
O L I M
M I L O
A M O R

>>2242953
>Christianity
>added benefits

Pick one

>>2242948

We can do this everywhere, for those who can't or don't want to move to Italy.

Each state in America can have one.

Republic > Empire

>>2239250
Are those my brothers Pullo and Vorenus?

>>2239313
fucking this

>>2240100
MArius, Cicero, Caesar

>>2242245

I just finished reading that.

The book is strangely morbid as fuck. It opens with interesting, but probably well known information to you about the Roman military and auxiliaries. Still enjoyed that a lot though.

However once you start in on the history of the Legions he was able to collect information on (which was about 45) it becomes sad as you read how each one is eventually dissolved or obliterated. That crying Legionary Wojack expresses precisely how I felt.

Then after that he gets into a bit more military infrastructure before detailing every major Western Roman battle in chronological order. The major failing of this book, like basically everything Goldsworthy has written is that they go:

>And then the Roman Empire fell, but the West was able to continue on for another thousand years however I don't feel like talking about all that shit, lol.

>>2243663

Nah. Pullo and Vorenus were both Centurions. And this picture is odd because the Centurion in that picture is wearing the helmet of a Dacian cavalryman.

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>>2241050
>As an actual Roman polytheist,
>not worshiping the unconquerable sun
the old gods have abandoned their children on Earth. All that is left is the God we can see and feel

>>2241050
>As an actual Roman polytheist

Tell me about your people, stranger.

What would you guys say is the most important scholary work of the Roman Empire in the 20th century?

>>2242389
Adrian Goldsworthy is based. I'd rather see people reading and quoting him than some bullshit youtube bloviator, as he is an actual scholar

>>2244414
Not him but the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive .

why did the romans stop using lorica segmentata, didn't they understand the rule of cool?

>>2239329
did they really wear clothing like this, has any survived?

>>2243481
Shut the fuck up, Cato.

>>2238779
Rome was objective shit until it Christianized and then it was blessed by the LORD

>>2240849
I see you like maps that have a lot of color in them.

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>>2244648

>>2243071
I'll choose Christ you heathen scum
ALEXAMENOS FIDELIS

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>>2244613
>lorica segmentata,
It was the original bloated, shady, overpriced, shoddily implemented big defense spending project and yes, it made their penises as hard as it makes yours which is why they went through with it for as long as they did.

Sure they offered superior and lightweight protection but it was a logistics shitshow keeping track of all those pieces, especially in an era before mass production when each piece would have to be made by hand.

In modern armies they have this saying that you have to make things "infantry-proof" because what ever you give to the grunts they can, and will, beat the ever loving shit out of it and find some way to completely fuck it up unless you make things as completely idiot-proof as possible (like stamping "this way forward" on a rocket launcher). This would have been true for ancient soldiers as well.

For a suit of lorica segmentata, it might not have even lasted a single campaign before you ran out of replacement parts in the field and had to switch back to your lorica hamata, which was heavier and less flexible but rugged as hell, and any two-bit camp blacksmith could rivet together a few rings and make any repairs that need to be made. Throw in the fact that the friction of the chains rubbing against each other also removed all of the rust, and you have yourself a suit of armor that might last many decades, passing from one idiot soldier to the next. This is why over time the lorica hamata gave way to the simpler mail shirt.

The depiction of huge numbers of soldiers wearing lorica segmentata on Trajan's wall is almost certainly propaganda, in practice it was probably reserved for elite troops.

>>2242682
I used Ecce Romani when I was in school

>>2244667
This is why no one takes you fags seriously.

>>2244703

Bands for the Segmentata were more or less mass produced actually, they had a few standard sizes for all of the plates and legionaries would try them on and combine pieces until they got a proper fit. They were very simple all in all.

Problem was maintenance as you said, but considering combining Hamatas with banded iron Manicas became common practice the general manufacture of such parts wasn't considered difficult.

>>2244648
shut up constantine

COULD THE KINGDOM OF KUSH AT ITS HEIGHT MATCH ROME AT ITS HEIGHT IN POWER?

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>>2244736
>Bands for the Segmentata were more or less mass produced actually
Yes, that's true, but only in the large manufacturing centers of Italy were they able to churn out a huge enough number of replacement parts to keep an entire legion fitted and resupplied on a frontier which might be 800km north.

And manicas were only really used extensively against the Dacians whose weapons were notorious for their ability to lop off a man's limb. It was a very Roman solution to the problem but there's a reason that you never saw a Roman legionary wearing a lorica hamata with mail sleeves, they simply didn't possess the know-how to make mail sleeves that fit comfortably. For the technological capacities of the time it lorica segmentata was simply inefficient and an overall drag on the war effort whose cons outweighed their benefits.

A comparable modern analogy might be the lumbering, expensive Tiger tanks of Nazi Germany which for all their size and stopping power often sat useless on the side of the road waiting for the simplest parts to arrive and more of the fuel that they chugged at an ungodly rate.

>>2244776
No.

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Visited Pompeii last month. Took some pics

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Forum

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>>2244796
>people in Europe only ever had one type of armor at a time

>>2242953
rome prospered as a pagan state but collapsed soon after it became christian

really makes you think

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>>2241050
>As an actual Roman polytheist
Real questions: for what reason and do you know any others?

>>2244652
>t. Hadrian
Trajan was a badass, and his achievements got pissed away by a spineless appeaser.

>>2240310
>conquered Britain, put down the worst revolt Rome faced since Spartacus
>won power like Augustus through actual military competence, not just by descent or bribing the Praetorian Guard
>built the Coliseum
>humble even when he was the ruler Roman World, ate his veggies
>sons are also godtier, Titus being an all round true Roman and Domitian combining the competence of his father with the epic paranoia of Tiberius

>>2244908
>>2244915

Great photos anon

>>2244796
>And manicas were only really used extensively against the Dacians whose weapons were notorious for their ability to lop off a man's limb.

And also by practically all heavy cavalry from the first cataphractarii to well into the late byzantine empire

>>2245478

Don't forget

>Tightest fucking last words for a ruler ever
>Died on his feet

>>2245485
>At last, being taken ill of a diarrhea, to such a degree that he was ready to faint, he cried out, "An emperor ought to die standing upright." In endeavouring to rise, he died in the hands of those who were helping him up, upon the eighth of the calends of July [24 June], being sixty-nine years, one month, and seven days old.
Holy shit, that is metal.

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Byzantium best Rome

>>2239275
Is he saying he's the shit, or is he saying it's ironic that young men listen to him instead of making their own path like he did?

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>>2245576
>t. Mehmet Osmanoglu

>>2245576
t. Rastapopoulos

>>2244724
Cornelia est puella romana

>>2242986

Says you

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Are there any other Late Romeaboos here or is it just me?

For some reason I find the Republican and early Imperial periods to be pretty banal but the Late period fascinates me to no end

>>2245596
Dieudonné Rastapopoulos est triste
Sa blonde l'a laissé pour un pêcheur d'écrevisses
Lui qui n'est qu'cuisinier chez Guilberto et fils
Gilberto Gilberto Gilberto ou o ou o

Il vit dans un et demi dans le bout de Chambly
Y a juste d'l'argent pour s'payer d'la Old Milwaukee
Y joue à balle pour les Crapets de Maniwakee
De Maniwakee Maniwakee Maniwakeeee...

Dieudonné Rastapopoulos
Dieudonné Rastapopoulos
Dieudonné Rastapopoulos {x2}

Dieudonné avait pris un fichu coup
Il a renvoyé le tout dans un égout
Un égout où vivait le Chinois très, très fou
Fu Mang Chu, Fu Mang Chu, Fu Mang Chu la lu la lu

Fu Mang Chu devint son grand ami
Ensemble ils allaient souper au buffet Wally
L'proprio leur donnait des cours de taïchi
De taïchi, de taïchi, de taïchiiiiiiiiiiiii...

Fu Mang Chu a gagné à la mini
Dieudonné était maintenant trop pauvre pour lui
Déprimé il s'est tiré avec un fusil
Un fusil, un fusil, un fusil, un fusiiiiiiiiil...

>>2246855

Got any enjoyable books on the topic? Most writers only stick to the Western Empire.

>>2246875

Is this supposed to be heard to the tune of Rock me Amadeus?

>>2246855

I like Total War Attila too

Are there any good books about legionaries? As in following the story of a guy in a roman legion, traveling and fighting etc

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>>2246855
It's not just you.

>>2245576
Made some OC for you.

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>>2239275
>>2239294
>>2241028

Is he saying "listen to me because I'm clearly awesome and always have been", or is he saying "elders listened to and followed me in my youth (instead of the other way around), so it's ironic and inappropriate for today's youth to listen to me at my old age instead of making their own path like I did"?

At first, I also thought it was the former, but what got me thinking was the "do you" at the beginning of the quote. Is he asking "do you" as in "why would you"? But the punctuation isn't interrogative, so does it just not translate well in English?

>>2247675

LEGIONARY... kinda?

It is told an informative position, readying a pontential recruit about what they should know and the various opportunities available to them. Even if they aren't citizens. Has some decent bants about how Centurions are dickheads.

I was reading that in Ancient Rome, reading was considered an audible task and "silent reading" was only introduced in monasteries and places of reflection. Any truth to this?

>>2248104
Yup

>>2246855

What's the appeal? Late Rome had little of the 'magic', the culture of glory-seeking, charismatic, cunning leaders, the superstitious and wonderous world view, the endless chains of intrigues and shocking events, the iconic imagery and words, etc.

>>2245479
>And also by practically all heavy cavalry from the first cataphractarii to well into the late byzantine empire
This is true but it also validates my point: that the better armor would have been reserved for crack troops and as time went on it became more and more cost-effective, therefore elite troops could be more heavily armored and the men-at-arms made due with mail well into the high medieval period

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>>2246855
Awful models, don't look roman at all.

This triggers me so much, why does nobody in media ever get the roman anatomy right? Do none of those fags know the difference between Northern and Southern Europeans?
Or do they just think "lol white ppl r all da same"?

>>2244703
why are they so smug

>>2248572
>Late Rome had little of the 'magic'
Are you kidding? Late Rome was an era of extremely dramatic social change and there were still tons of glory-seeking, charismatic, and cunning leaders, it's just that by then they had more or less united Europe and had no one left to fight but each other.

>>2238779

I like Rome but they were culturally
inferior to the Greeks

>>2244965
so much this

>>2249462
they're models in a game. They're designed to look semi-decent while the CPU is rendering and animating a shitload of them.

And let's also keep in mind that they're rendering ancient Latins and not modern Italians. It doesn't make sense to apply modern racial distinctions to ancient cultures so one white is as good as the next in this regard, at least inasmuch as the average Latin was olive skinned with brown hair and eyes

>>2246855
I can't bring myself to be very interested in the late empire because of the christcuckery, terminal decline, barbarization, continual military losses, etc. It just goes against everything that makes republican and early imperial Rome cool. The irresistible military success, roman paganism, continued attachment to Republican ideals. It feels like the empire wasn't really roman anymore by the late period.

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>>2249687
It happens all the fucking time tho.

And yes, I know, but Southern Europeans still have a lot of the ancient grecoroman traits, and IMO they're more similar to them than they are to modern germanic descendents. (tho we do have to take into account how much inbreeding there's been for the past 1500 years).

>>2249747

Are you honestly wondering why Italians and Greeks aren't in American media more?

>>2245576
t. Greek sissy boy

>>2245623
Sextus est peur molestus

>>2249667
t. helleneboo

>>2249841
fuck me daddy

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>>2244667

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>>2249869

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>>2249873

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>>2249875

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>>2249704
You're looking at it the wrong way. It wasn't a decline, it was a transition. Rome was perpetually a society in transition, as all societies are

The problem was that nobody, not even the Romans themselves, could even really agree on what "Rome" is, at least in the sense that we use the term "third Rome" to refer to Moscow or compare the British Empire or Pax Americana to "Rome", and they fought bitterly over the question of who was more "Roman" and it's a conversation which continues well into the modern era and even to this day. The Romans were never really above spilling their own blood, but at certain intervals they had a government strong enough to restrain this impulse.

>terminal decline
The society they built was unsustainable. The society they transitioned into had more of their strengths and fewer of their weaknesses

>christcuckery
the pagans were worse cucks in every single way unless you were at the very top of the social ladder, and even then you had to endure the endless grind of high Roman shame culture which was stifling and oppressive and you stood a very real chance of being pressured into committing suicide just to spare your family from being annihilated.

>barbarization
all they were doing was ridding themselves of hypocrisy

>continual military losses
Hannibal had no problem smacking Roman legions all up and down their own home turf. And the really amazing thing about the fissuring of the Western Roman state was that it wasn't due to crushing military losses, but it was rather more like the court of the western emperor going bankrupt and members of the army installing themselves and their families as the newer, slightly less oppressive ruling class. Ostrogothic Italy was actually a golden age of economic growth until the brutal invasion of the "Eastern Romans" fucked up Italy until the Renaissance.

So I think I've come up with an answer to those "Han China vs Roman" threads that pop-up every now and again.

We take the army of Constantine (132 Legions plus an equal number of auxiliaries), with Belisarius as the general. I know it is two entirely different centuries, but I think this would solve the numbers problem and gives the Romans more than enough experience via a general who was used to the sort of shit the Chinese would throw at him.

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>>2244648
Shut up Theodosius, you ugly fucking cunt.

What the fuck was the senate thinking when they just kept assassinating populists over and over again? They were the real problem, Caesar was a good boy.

Any in-depth book recommendation? Looking for something meaty that will keep me occupied for a little bit. (i just like to read a couple hours before i go to bed)

>>2249462

>implying most r*man marble statues aren't just copies of Greek bronze statues.

>>2250005
Personal gain? Senate was in many cases just spoiled brats who had no touch on real politics.

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>>2250008

I've got something meaty to keep you occupied.

>>2250016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDgVlv55Uw

00:14

>>2250005

Lemme fix this sentence real quick:

>What the fuck was the <insert group here> thinking when they just kept assassinating <insert group here> over and over again?

No matter what, assassinating the fuck out of people just hammered home a terrible precedent. I blame Sulla.

>>2250028

Why Sulla? Marius and Cinna did the same shit to Sulla's friends.

>>2250030
>Marius made it so soldiers were loyal to their generals first and foremost
>Sulla gave precedent for entering Rome with soldiers

Assholes.

>>2250030

Sulla going full proscription lists, is why I blame him. Literally everyone after that was terrified of the same thing happening because of Sulla.

>>2239460
Who has the GAUL to post such a thing?

>>2250016
I've heard mix opinions about that book, mostly negative.

>>2250064

What were their arguments? That the author cites Christianity as one of the reasons Rome fell?

>>2250009
>grecoroman genes

>>2250016
that sentence is surprisingly erotic
no homo

>>2250161

It's meaty enough that you could join in right before bed time too.

I need good reading material or any documental/series/movies/ whatever about the really late Roman empire, like the last decades of the fifth century, any rec dear romaboos?

>>2250081
that it was written when all there was to know about Rome came from reading primary sources. For what it's worth Decline and Fall is still the most important book in the history of "history" because nobody before had ever put so much exhaustively cited research into a single work. And it is so well written that it deserves recognition as one of the great romantic poems in history.

Now we have things like archaeology and linguistics and numismatics to help us paint a much more complex picture of Roman society, and we have to realize that Gibbon was a product of his times and write with an implicit anti-Catholic bias and with a desire to establish a narrative whose inevitable conclusion was the resurrection of the true Roman way in Protestant Great Britain.

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>>2250008
Not written, but the History of Rome podcast is a good series

>>2250306
Christian Church Cathedral (537–1054)
Greek Orthodox Cathedral (1054–1204)
Roman Catholic Cathedral (1204–1261)
Greek Orthodox Cathedral (1261–1453)
Imperial Mosque (1453–1931)
Museum (1935–present)

>>2250343
Yea, it's time to take it back.

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>be richest man ever
>jelly of my colleagues accomplishments
>launch war against dirty brown people
>get my army smashed
>die a loser

Why did the first triumvirate need Caesar?

>>2248572
People like you just don't know enough about it. It has all of that in spades. You think that late antiquity is just a time of decay, degeneracy and despair, and not a time when the world was changing faster than it had ever done during the stagnant days of the Classical period. Centuries would go by with virtually nothing happening besides a few Roman warlords conquering some tribes. With Late Antiquity you have kings fighting kings, Romans fighting Romans and everyone fighting each other.

I think it's partly the common view that Christianity makes the Rome of Late Antiquity closer to our own time and therefore less interesting than the more alien pagans. If you dive deep into the period you'll come to realise that since Christianity, even 4 centuries after Christ, barely had its shit together with "orthodox" practices and views still being forged, that it actually gives the era something particularly fascinating.

>>2251513
>be richest man ever
No.

>>2251795
well this is just speculation but his presence probably helped mitigate the rivalry between crassus and pompey from getting out of hand

plus he was just a great politician - crassus had the money and pompey had the glory, but caesar was the whole package

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>safe environment
*blocks your path*

>>2249869
>>2249873
>>2249875
>>2249877
Is there an early Republican spurdo? Or perhaps even a Roman Kingdom spurdo

>>2251815

Who in Rome had more money?

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>>2249877

>>2241050
>>2239257
By way of Interpretatio Romana, just how many other IE religions do you also consider alike?
If I venerate Woden, Thunor, and Tiw, am I venerating Mercury, Hercules, and Mars in your eyes?

>>2251907
Well Pompey definitely had more after his wars in the east. You tend to get loaded when you have wealthy states and cities giving you tribute and loot.

The reason Crassus' wealth is so renown is because he got most of it himself outside of warfare.

Granted, Sulla helped with that, but Crassus was so valuable politically because he had a lot of connections. That and his experience.

>>2251960

Didn't literally everyone go to crassus to borrow money, including pompey?

>>2251907
Augustus supposedly

>>2245524
Aye but he also shat himself to death so it's not great.

>>2252022
Well yea since he was dictator and controlled the whole state and it's possessions.

>>2252013
Crassus was a business man. He had immediate property and wealth to access. Pompey had massive spoils but he wasn't like Crassus.

Thinking of him as the coin purse of the triumvirate doesn't do him justice. He wanted his own military campaigns because he wanted the glory and massive wealth that often came with it.

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>>2249667
fuck off scipio

>>2239085
Holy fuck that meme is great, I cracked up, thanks anon...........
Mind if I save it?

Bad news

The Roman Theater in Palmyra just got demolished by ISIS

>>2240100
Sulla, Cicero and Cato

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>>2239257
>become a Roman pagan
Way ahead of you, anon.

anyone have the pic listing all the reasons the West Roman Empire fell with Marxism and other things as reasons?

>>2252523
>marx time travels to sow socio-economic discord in the late empire
I mean it sounds like a shitty pseudo-historical TV show that gets canceled after one or two seasons, but I'd watch it.

>>2250213

>Rome was reinforcing its borders
>East managed it, was able to deal with border jumpers
>West fell behind, was decades off in progress
>Saxon shore was completed, britain became an essential area to control. Welded to Gaul
>Germans were being settled along the borders to act as border guards
>Emperors were riding around with their armies huge ass armies, dealing with threats
>two large field armies that could have upwards of 300,000 in each
>Christianity was unifying the empire, but wasn't yet centralized with the state
>Roman citizenship was being remodeled
>Climate change or something caused agricultural collapse in parts of the empire
>Gaul couldn't supply the grain the western empire needed
>Rome as a city languished, lost its status as a center of power
>Trier was more important, due to the military commander there

>>2244908
>>2244915

I second. Nice photos

>>2252464
I went there before the war. I'm actually distressed.

Do you guys think Caesar have been assassinated if he hadn't taken up the policy of clementia during the civil war? After all the leading conspirators against him in the Senate were mostly comprised of Optimates and people who fought against him, right?

>>2244915
It's so bloody great seeing photos like this, it's like stepping back in time.

>>2249999
QUINTS OF TRUTH! JUPITER SPEAKS!

>>2252464
I saw this earlier, they are literally barbarians, they should be nailed to crosses.

>>2253483

I would be okay with this.

And it would be 100% legal as they are terrorists, and aren't afforded the same legal protections that an enemy soldier is.

How do we make this happen /his/?

>>2254096

We form a new Legion with virtuous men devoted to the Eagle and the She-Wolf.

We shall call it the 33rd legion, Legio XXXIII Nova Liberatrix.

>>2238970
/thread

>>2239286
O
R E S T I T U T O R
B
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>>2239344
The original fedora tipper

>>2239381
Fuck off Scipio

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i miss you rome

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>>2244796
>BCE
>CE

>>2245524
>When he was importuned by a woman, who said that she was dying for love for him, he took her to his bed and gave her four hundred thousand sesterces for her favours. Being asked by his steward how he would have the sum entered in his accounts, he replied: "To a passion for Vespasian."

>Nothing could stop this flow of humour, even the fear of imminent death. Among the many portents of his end was a yawning crevice in Augustus's Mausoleum. 'That will be for Junia Calvina,' he said, 'she is one of his descendants.' And at the fatal sight of a comet he cried: 'Look at that long hair! The King of Parthia must be going to die.' His death-bed joke was: 'Dear me! I must be turning into a god.'

>>2257158

Vespasian is the dad i wish i had

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>>2238779
>"I have not come to wage war against Italy, but to save it from Rome
>wtf Hannibal was right about Rome.
>mfw Hannibal was the fallen hero

At least people stood up to Rome until they fell Good.

>>2257595
go and stay go

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Got this fairly recently, tho not exactly the same as in cover. It's a reprint. Is this any good?

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Hail Caesar and all that

>>2257595

>Only Samnites and Tarentines turn coat

lmao @ Hannibal

>>2239460
T.Ostrogoth

>>2259418
t. Mallobaudes "Romanophilos" the Frank

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>>2258171
Improper use of that meme Desu.

If Anthony held out against Augustus, what would Rome have looked like? Would it still have evolved into a Principate and then Dominate or would the old Republican class have taken back power after his death? Did Anthony have any Hitler-tier 'Grand Design' plans one could read into?

>>2260682
If you believe Augustus he would've willed half the empire away to his and Cleopatra's bastard children

>>2261071
Depending on how much of Rome actually bought Augustus' propaganda (and how much of it was real), he might've had trouble ruling from Rome itself too.

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>>2260682
>If Anthony held out against Augustus, what would Rome have looked like? Would it still have evolved into a Principate and then Dominate or would the old Republican class have taken back power after his death?
By the time of the Battle of Actium the Republic was already past the point of no return and its descent into military autocracy was nearly complete.

When Julius Caesar was assassinated and the perpetrators of the deed got off scot-free, the people rose up in favor of Caesar's heirs in the military and all of the Republican die-hards had been chased out of town, and those who weren't hunted down like foxes committed suicide out of hopelessness. From that point on there were only scattered, isolated hold-outs for the "good old days" while most people went about their lives convinced that the presence of a first citizen was making their Republic stronger than ever.

If Mark Anthony had achieved victory over Octavian Caesar its hard to say because of how transformational and successful Octavian's reign was, it would have totally altered the trajectory of world history. Anthony's power base was in the East, which had always been the larger and more cosmopolitan half of the empire, and that's why Constantine moved his capital to Byzantium (and even then most emperors HQ'd in Mediolanum or Ravenna and reduced Rome to a symbol.)

It's seems probable that the East-West fissure would have happened much sooner and that would have had huge implications for world development. Europe might have remained an undeveloped backwater while global power and authority became even more pronounced in an area centered around the Middle East, Asia Minor, the Levant, and Egypt.

>>2261177
>(and even prior to then most emperors HQ'd in Mediolanum or Ravenna and reduced Rome to a symbol.)
sorry, typo

>>2261177
How long would Anthony's reign have lasted, you think? Would he have been able to have a 'stable' dynasty? I imagine he might've skipped the whole Princeps thing and went straight to Imperator, since it was originally a title hailed by the commander's own soldiers.

Also maybe instead of Greek influence in the Roman courts, you'd have had Egyptian. I'm unsure if Anthony would've successfully reversed Augustus' influence in Rome itself, or if we'd have had an ancient ACW situation where the East and West become separate things early.

>>2238779
I think rome sucks. Hannibal should have ended them while they were still a state power. Other than that, Carthage deserved to get wiped out for not helping out Hannibal.

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>ywn be a Roman citizen living in the Roman empire at its prime


Why even fucking live?

>>2261537
Fuck off, Mithridates

>>2261537
the eternal butthurt of Carthage

>>2241749
Did you tip your fedora to the moon after getting this?

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>>2261587
>Roman empire at its prime
>not the Roman Republic at the onset of the Samnite Wars

pleb

>>2261231
>How long would Anthony's reign have lasted, you think?
It's totally impossible to say.
>I imagine he might've skipped the whole Princeps thing and went straight to Imperator, since it was originally a title hailed by the commander's own soldiers.
Imperator just meant "commander-in-chief" or "generalissimo". Princeps meant "first citizen" and was a reflection of the democratic facade that Augustus's state maintained. Had Anthony's state been more a reflection of eastern oriental despotism, it's unclear how the Italians might have reacted.

I noticed that the early emperors were all from Rome or some place in Italy

and then that entirely shifted to all the emperors being of North African descent (Libya, Syria)

why did this shift happen?

>>2263891
because

WE

is it true that Rome destroyed the Library of Alexandria when they invaded Egypt?

>>2263931

yes but they weren't the first nor the last, they rebuilt it like five times

kind of an international past time to fuck with Alexandria

>>2238779
Rome was a multicultural state based upon civic virtue/

alt-right kids >>>/out/

>>2262884
You want conquest. I want antique civilization.

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>>2238779
Didnt want to make another thread and shit up the catalog, but what is the de facto book about roman history, preferably one large volume. I dont want to buy multiple books.

It's okay if it's a sort of detailed overview, I can pick up other books to expand on certain eras. But I mainly want a book that covers the basic timeline of rome and how it gets there.

a simple, this happened, therefore this, therefore this all the way until The Fall of the West.

I was thinking of SPQR by Mary Beard, as I've seen glowing reviews about it, but I hear it's rather lacking in the military side of things; and tends to gloss over them.

Pls halp, im about to go to the mall and would like to know what to pick up at Chapters.

>>2265798
>Rome was a multicultural state based upon civic virtue

An ideal state, something we need now more than ever.

We teeter on the precipice of oblivion! Rome must rise again!

>>2266678

SPQR stops at the fall of the West.

ROMA!

>>2238779
Roman empire was less centralised than HRE, basically set of city states. Discuss.

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TRIARII

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I'd like to remind everyone that I got the first ever quads on /his/ and I claimed them for the truth

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I'm gonna leave this here

>>2265798

was "Romans and then everyone who serves Romans" really multicultural?

>>2267058
Roman local bureaucracy was managed by centrally appointed governors who managed groups of cities, towns, and farms called provinces

Roman law was not done at a provincial level and the Roman central government had more power over the provinces than The American Federal government has over the states

>>2263891
probably because early Roman Emperors were from the patrician families that dominated late republican politics while later emperors were from wealthy provincial families in Africa or Spain(like Trajan or Hadrian) or rose up through the ranks of the army(like Diocletian)

This is probably because the senate and later the army started appointing emperors. before it was hereditary

>>2262884
wow enjoy being slaughtered or humiliated at the Caudine Forks

>>2261537
t. butthurt semite
wow I bet you sell dates in the market

>>2257595
get out you elephant fucker

>>2252539
>tfw I want a web series about a time travelling marx destroying the roman empire
I love this board

>>2238957
is that supposed to be caesar

>>2238932
>Justinian I
Belisarius

>>2238957
*seperates*

>>2238932
Justinian, in trying to recreate the empire, doomed it entirely

>>2269911
T. Retard

>>2239094
>Manius Curius Dentatus

Ehmmm

>>2244479
>>2242389
This. In the Name of Rome is a great book.

The introduction where he explains why his book focusses exclusively on men is pretty based desu.

>>2253375
If it weren't for clementia, he likely would have been killed off far sooner.

>>2271270
His biography of Caesar is pretty nice, too. That and his Complete Roman Army.

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>>2269920
He's right though.

The Gothic War was arguably the most destructive conflict in Italian history. The Byzantines waged a total war leveling infrastructure and devastating the population and in the end Belisarius had to be bailed out by the eunuch Narses and the conflict ended in a Pyrrhic victory, with the few remnants of the Imperial army barely holding onto the ashes of Italy just in time for the savage, backwards Lombards to invade and leave Italy mired in poverty until the renaissance.

And the worst irony is that the Gothics were a cosmopolitan Germanic tribe who preserved Italy's Roman character and Italy was experiencing a remarkable economic revival until the Byzantines burned it all to the ground in a jealous bid to control it.

Justinian's lasting contribution was in the area of legal reform. His foreign policy was a disaster, devastating Africa and setting the stage for its future subjugation under the Islamics, and he fucked Italy up so bad that it was no longer even worth the effort to reconquer

was there any black african empire that could match 1 vs. 1 against Rome around the same time?

>>2272793
Nope.

>>2272872
Aksum would be the closest right?

>>2251795
>>2251845
Caesar was a populares, whereas Crassus' immense wealth and Pompey's ego probably put a lot of rank and file citizens off.

Caesar was always immensely popular with the people and for that reason alone, he was an asset. Besides, I think Crassus' understood his potential and saw Caesar as a powerful tool that he could use in the future to tip the scales.

Pompey probably just thought he was entirely unassailable at this point and honestly, pre-Gaul , he was

>>2273114
Nah, I'd say not. Ethiopia just wasn't big enough, nor did they have an aggressive enough military. If anything, Numidia's forces at around the time of the 2nd punic war posed enough of a threat to Roman military superiority that it was necessary to deal with them, one way or another. Hannibal's victories and defeats were largely decided by Numidian participation.

>>2261231
>imagine he might've skipped the whole Princeps thing and went straight to Imperator, since it was originally a title hailed by the commander's own soldiers.
I disagree.

While either Antony or Octavian would've honestly headed towards autocracy, I feel like Antony's autocracy would've been more laid-back and messy. Probably a lot more prone to falling apart. The right guy won for obvious reasons.

I still think Antony gets boned quite a bit historically.

What was the ethnicity of the majority of people in the Byzantine empire?

>>2273366
Roman...but seriously, Latin descendants, Anatolian-Greek, Illyrian, Issuarian and Armenian.