Were there giants in ancient times?

if there were they didn't leave any evidence of their existence

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Several Native American tribes have passed down legends of a race of giants who were wiped out.
Horatio Bardwell Cushman wrote in his 1899 book “History of the Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Natchez Indians”: “The tradition of the Choctaws . . . told of a race of giants that once inhabited the now State of Tennessee, and with whom their ancestors fought when they arrived in Mississippi in their migration from the west. … Their tradition states the Nahullo (race of giants) was of wonderful stature.” . The Nahullo were said to be cannibals whom the Choctaw killed whenever the opportunity arose.

>>2231178
according to the bible , the flood wiped them out. and a flood of that scale could have buried them deep in the earth. all that sediment.

>>2231179

And the Navajo's said that skin-walkers were real.

No basis in either.

>>2231178
Think of all the different extinct species we're still discovering.

There probably was.

Sasquatches n shit

>>2231264
>>2231264
>skin walkers
>not real

take a walk outside in the woods one day m8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_of_Castelnau

>>2231260
Dinosaurs and fucking cambrian lifeforms apparently are easier to find then giant hominids from the last 30.000 years?

"Great human with power" seems more like a very simple cultural archetype people can come up with independently just as with storys of raising the dead or the maneater.

>>2231168
Yes, they served as mercenaries in the mighty armies of the African Kangdoms before whitey took over and removed their evidence.

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>>2231168
>Were there giants in ancient times?
caligorante was real

>>2231260
There's also no evidence of that kind of a cataclysmic worldwide flood.

>>2231350
>discovered by Georges Vacher de Lapouge
>According to de Lapouge etc.
>No modern peer-reviewed study has been published about the alleged giant bone fragments.
I stopped reading there.

>>2231607
No, he wasn't.

>>2231607
>Astolfo uses his magic horn to capture the giant Caligorante, and then parades the giant from town to town

Seems legit

>>>/x/

>>2231168

People in ancent times were manlets, so people with gigantism seemed like giants rather than tall people. Add is some heredetary gigantism, and you have a race of giants.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4113151/

Almost certainly. It is assumed that some tribes in the middle east were those descended from the Nephilim.

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>>2231278
Well we know for a fact there was once a race of small men living in the woods((Homo floresiensis) that could be the origen of the legendary creatures known as gnomes, chaneques etc. So there could be a real hominid behind the legendary giants.

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The legends relating to the Ebu Gogo were traditionally attributed to monkeys, according to the journal Nature.[3]

The Nage people believe that the Ebu Gogo were alive at the time of the arrival of Portuguese trading ships in the 17th century, and some hold that they survived as recently as the 20th century, but are now no longer seen. The Ebu Gogo are believed to have been hunted to extinction by the human inhabitants of Flores. They believe that the extermination, which culminated around seven generations ago, was undertaken because the Ebu Gogo stole food from human dwellings

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>>2231168
The ancient Greeks used to believe that the ancients of the Bronze Age were giants, or at least were closer to the gods and so able to solicit the aid of giants and cyclopes. They figured that since the walls of certain old cities were so large, logically they must have been built by larger man.

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An article in New Scientist (Vol. 186, No. 2504) gives the following account of folklore on Flores surrounding the Ebu Gogo: The Nage people of central Flores tell how, in the 18th century, villagers disposed of the Ebu Gogo by tricking them into accepting gifts of palm fiber to make clothes. When the Ebu Gogo took the fiber into their cave, the villagers threw in a firebrand to set it alight. The story goes that all the occupants were killed

>>2232681
>>2232670
If only they survived into Darwin's age.

If they were real that is.

>>2231912
>>2231912
>>2231912
>>2231912
>>2231912
>implying Giants aren't evidence of God

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>>2231168
>this thread

>>2231621
>>2231627

>doubting the veracity of Ariosto's account of the events

You fucking plebs.

So manlet hate thread?
Wait this isn't >>>/fit/

>>2231260
The Bible is a claim. It isn't evidence.

>>2231362
>Dinosaurs and fucking cambrian lifeforms
you wouldn't believe how few samples we actually have.
Stop being a fool so you can tip your fedora.
>hominids
Idiot.

>>2233122
All evidence is itself a claim.
To deny the Bible as evidence is the equivalent of denying a scientific journal.
You simply don't seem to understand what science actually is, or how it's done.
And if you've never done it, well the Dunning-Kruger theory needs more light.
If you believe someone that society tells you is just automatically trustworthy and this person tells you everything is self evident.
You're a sheep, now go watch some Bill Nye like a good goy, don't go into a scientific field where you find out how the professor with his bone is more dangerous than the dog with his bone.

>>2233122
>not knowing the difference between evidence and proof

>>2232681
>Killing one cave's worth of H. floresiensis
>ok guys we genocided the species

wew lad

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantism

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>>2233132
>To deny the Bible as evidence is the equivalent of denying a scientific journal.

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>>2233301
probably the same happened to the neanderthal. humans killing them in their caves.

>>2231264
Used to think the same until I camped alone in the Navajo nation and had a man come out of the forest at night, sit across from me and of course I was spooked and had my 1911 ready. He spoke to me for around an hour about Navajo legends and was pretty interested in my Thor's hammer necklace and said "I remember watching him in the sky as a child" and then said he had to leave as but stated that I was lucky to be wearing that hammer. He proceeded to walk away but I saw his legs were skinny and hoofed and when he walked into the darkness I heard a yell and a quick succession of 4-legged running away from the camp. I'll never forget that experience and yeah it's fuck random being on here but something compelled me to respond to you.

>>2233315
>I can not think for myself
>I have not conducted science
>I have not gone drinking with scientists
>I have never read the Bible
>I have never studied history
>I un-ironically believe everything Neil DeGrasse Tyson says

>>2233345

There's no evidence that humans killed neanderthals. Their population was already low before they ever met homo sapians.

>>2231610
there is, check out Randall Carlson's work, there is a fuck ton of evidence for large scale flooding during the younger dryas

>>2233451
I don't know about killing them directly, but it's almost certain that homo sapiens drove them to extinction by occupying the same ecological niche and competing for the same resources.

>>2231168
>And he was all of three feet taller than the others
WOW AN ABNORMALLY TALL PERSON. THIS PROVES THE BIBLE IS REAL GUISE.

Probably some lanklets with giganticism and the manlet Romans though they were 10ft tall beasts or something.

What if we're the giants and we killed off all the manlets who made up stories about us?

Think about it...

It might be interesting to test certain populations, certain ethnicities, for genetic tendency towards gigantism. Has that ever been done?

>>2233474

Most likely. Its not known exactly what finished them off, but like things, I don't think there was one reason. If it was only to do with inhabiting the same niche, neither species should have gone extinct, but humans shouldn't have been able to increase their populations.

I think it was a combination of many factors. Neandethals had large heads and a high female mortality rate through birth. They also could not rotate their arms in an arc, meaning they couldn't throw javelins, and thus had to fight their prey in close quarters, increasing the chance of injury. They developed a lot faster than humans and so likely weren't as intelligent. There's lots of reasons.

>>2233484

No, but I think its never been done because its never been observed. Worldwide studies show that people who live in the West are the tallest and have been getting taller since the industrial revolution, with no correlation to race within the west. This is likely because of food consumption. Interestingly, the generation that grew up in WW2 in Britain are significantly taller than older people before and after, because they grew up on rations, which contained exactly what they needed.

>>2233506
I'm not just talking about general height, I'm talking about gigantism, the gland condition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantism

>>2233490
>If it was only to do with inhabiting the same niche, neither species should have gone extinct
Why not? When two species occupy the same niche one of them tends to go extinct, unless it can survive doing something the other can't.

>>2233315
Maybe you aren't familiar with what evidence is?

>>2231909
Giants were considered heroes and Goliath was a warrior. Don't people with gigantism have loads of health problems?

>>2233132
It is historic evidence but one that should be taken with temperament to the time and reason it was written.

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>>2233451
What are you talking about, white people are neanderthals?

Out of my way you dirty homo sapien

>>2233629

Generally they do, but it can take time for the problems to catch up with them, and can to some extent be worked around. The article mentions that Goliath had a shield-bearer go ahead of him, and suggests that this could be to help point him in the right direction to compensate for the lateral vision problems caused by pituitary gland disorders that can result in gigantism, as pituitary tumours often press on the octive nerve due to proximity.

David was unused to armour, so he went without, and used a stone and a sling, rather than coming up to Goliath with a sword or javelin. He would therefore be much more quick and nimble than a more conventional foe, and Goliath may not even have been able to se the stone.

There is another article I read that I can't find which interprets Goliath saying "Am I a dog, that you come at me with sticks?" at the sight of David as evidence that he had vision problems, as David wasn't carrying sticks plural.

Wasn't there a Roman emperor that was nine feet tall?

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>And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three hundred ells:[69] Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.

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>Goliath's stature as described in various ancient manuscripts varies: the oldest manuscripts—the Dead Sea Scrolls text of Samuel, the 1st century historian Josephus, and the 4th century Septuagint manuscripts—all give his height as "four cubits and a span" (6 feet 9 inches or 2.06 metres) whereas the Masoretic Text gives this as "six cubits and a span" (9 feet 9 inches or 2.97 metres; Hebrew: שֵׁ֥שׁ אַמֹּ֖ות וָזָֽרֶת šêš ’ammōṯ wā-zāreṯ).[10][11]

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>>2233370

It is kind of strange how so many of these giants have red hair. It's a common detail in the legends, despite the fact that the different groups would not likely have been in contact sufficient to spread the stories.

Exaggerating actual events isn't anything new.
It's probably just stories about tribes or villages that were a-typically tall, and as such were labelled as monsters, or giants.

>>2233483
If we killed off all the manlets, how do you explain /fit/?

Checkmate, atheists.

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>>2233370

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>>2233370
>/his/

>>2233801
That claim comes from one source that cited fictional books, at least according to Wikipedia. I'm phone posting so I can't delve too deeply right now.

>>2234130
/k/ finds skinwalkers in the woods somewhat regularly. The unifying factor seems to be that the well armed usually survive encounters, the unarmed don't.

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>>2234169
>/k/
It isn't called "a magical place" for no reason.

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>>2233132
>To deny the Bible as evidence is the equivalent of denying a scientific journal.

>>2234169
Doesn't /k/ find all sorts of weird shit innawoods?

>>2234197
Yep. Whether it's abandoned US military assets, Navajo beasties, or a vintage porn cache, if it's in the woods /k/ will find it eventually.

>>2234075
As a real world example of this, most tribes in the Pacific Northwest have a creature called Steatl, Tsiatko, or something similar in their folklore. These stories are usually claimed by bigfoot people (and occasionally giant believers) to be evidence for them, because they're usually big and violent. But, linguistically, the words used for these creatures are related very closely to "stranger," "raider," and other words like that; several folklorists and anthropologist have similarly linked these stories to accounts of raids by whaling tribes, and groups from the interior.

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>>2233370

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>>2234169
>he believes what he reads from anonymous people on the internet

>>2234279
Maybe it's a mistake, but when people here seem like they're honest, I try to believe them. I feel like an anonymous image board is actually the perfect place on which to tell the truth.

>>2234279
4chan is more reliable than the press on a lot of stuff, sadly.

>>2234288
Being more that 0 doesn't make it alot

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>>2231168
> I feel like an anonymous image board is actually the perfect place on which to tell the truth.

>>2233370
mescaline

>>2234285
it's also the perfect place for people to troll and stir shit up like fake ghost stories and all that just for the attention and the debate and all the stuff that becomes centered around them when they type up some bullshit.

kinda like what's happening now.

>>2234186
Rock hard

>>2234317
Well, that's the risk, and it's always there.

You can't believe everything you read here, but I don't think you can believe nothing, either.

>>2231292
I'm not that guy, but I've gone innawoods regularly for the past 25 years and I've never seen a monster.

>>2234325
You can believe anything that can be reasonably verified.

Why anyone would believe an iota more is beyond me.

>>2234325
I'm gonna choose to not believe the story about a guy that saw a skin walker in the woods. Seems like a safe bet. Furthermore when you say something like "people who are armed survive and people who aren't armed dont" it just makes me wonder how the hell you knew about the people who died and whether or not they were armed if we've never found evidence and they never lived to tell the story. It also sounds like some southern gun propaganda.
>"gotta get dat 1911 or those dirty skin walkers will get ya!"

(You)

>>2234328
I did once see a pretty interesting story with some pretty interesting documentation on /x/, of all places. That was a strange night.

You must provide some bones, fossils, or other physical evidence if you want people to believe that dragons existed in real life. If I walked up to you and claimed that dragons existed in the past, would you take me at my word, or ask for some proof?

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>>2233524
Andre the giant had the glandular disease/gigantism

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>>2234343
>It also sounds like some southern gun propaganda.
t. asspained latte sipping metrosexual
Well known mundane threats like bears and mountain lions are sufficient reason to bring a gun in the woods regardless of whether or not skinwalkers are real.

>>2231168
Probably just some Viking settler and a bit of exaggeration.

>>2234375
>>2234378
Yeah, actually, this works. I can believe that Goliath was Andre-The-Giant-tier.

>>2233345
We didn't kill them. We fucked them

>>2234408
It was probably both considering how often sex leads to murder even within H. sapiens.

>>2233123
nigger i will make you lick my geologist ass if you ever talk to me like that again

>>2234169
>The unifying factor seems to be that the well armed usually survive encounters, the unarmed don't.
If they didn't survive then how do we know what happened to them?

>>2233370
>Thor's hammer necklace
Native American spirits observe this?
Maybe I'm just too segregationist to think that a Indo-European deity would hold power out there, i suppose it's all about how there's one big spirit realm idea and only different windows into it, right?

>>2235023
We have actual proof that Vikings visited Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland

Combine that with a trading system that spanned the continent and it's not totally unreasonable to expect a Navajo monster to be aware of the Norse after a thousand years.

>>2235178
i guess protection would follow it's observers

>>2234391
>a gun is what you use on bears

Drink a tall glass of acid my man!

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>>2231607
That giant kinda looks like a very tall dark skin man with an afro or woolly hair basically

He also looks a lot like the guy from Pulp Fiction

>>2235218
What's wrong with what he said? A gun is quite an effective defense against bears.

>>2235228
Yeah, if you're hunting them. If you're being charged by a bear, chances are a gun won't deter it. It's been shown that bear spray (which clogs and burns their eyes and nostrils) is more effective than just pissing it off by shooting it.

If you're being charged by a bear, you'd have to shoot its legs to stop it or slow it down. I highly doubt anyone on this site would be calm enough to deliver well aimed leg shots while being charged by a Grizzly. Best bet is to potentially blind it and inhibit its senses with bear spray rather than risk a bullet missing or merely hitting its center mass.

There was a guy who got attacked twice by a bear in Montana and only had bear spray. The bear was sprayed and chances are it only stopped attacking due to the spray.

Obviously none of the gun fetishists here will believe me, but whatever. Have fun lugging around a literal hunting rifle while hiking or being underprepared with a handgun.

>>2235247
>not carrying a .357, .44 or .50/.500 magnum at all times
WEW

>>2235247
I'm pretty sure rangers carry guns for protecting themselves against animals if necessary. It doesn't even need to be a rifle. A 10mm autoloader (which as I recall are used by rangers for just such a purpose) can be an effective defense against blackbears, and there are revolvers capable of chambering rounds that can kill larger bears (hell, there are revolvers capable of chambering rounds that have been used to kill elephants, but they're beyond practical consideration).

I'm not really a gun fetishist, but I'm pretty sure killing the bear would be an effective defense against a charging bear.

>>2235259
Are you a bad enough dude to CC a .500 S&W magnum?

>>2235247
>It's been shown that bear spray (which clogs and burns their eyes and nostrils) is more effective than just pissing it off by shooting it.
I've seen the original study and they didn't break it down by caliber, training level of the user, or anything. Some half blind fuckwit with a .22lr pistol gets counted the same as an experienced game guide with a .45-70 lever rifle. It's the same sort of deeply dishonest statistics that gives rise to the "wage gap" myth.

>>2235336
Right, but your common hikers won't be experienced sportsmen. Bear spray is a good alternative for that. Besides, death isn't always the goal. It surely can (and should be) sometimes, but most creatures will fuck off pretty easily.

>>2235352
>Right, but your common hikers won't be experienced sportsmen.

They could be. Anybody with the time could spend time at a range. You're acting as if it's some sort of absolute that you can't protect yourself from animal attack with a gun.

>>2233906
i bet that nigga could ball.

>>2235384
he wasn't fucking real.

I'm so sick of Christians and jews talking about these myths and fabrications as if they actually happened. the bible is not a credible historical source this should be fucking obvious

>>2235393
Actually, whether or not you believe in a religion, it's a fact that a ton of the events recorded in the Bible happened Historically. It's seriously a valuable History book on the middle-east in the bronze age, especially on the history of Israel.

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>>2235402
you're retarded. I bet you think the Moses story actually happened.

>>2235411
It did. You're the retard, you have no faith in extraordinary feats for God to perform.

>>2235366
>common hikers
>They could be.
He did actually cover that by saying 'common'. You are not by any chance my sister are you? I recall an argument with her as well where she didn't grasp that 'most' does not equal 'all'.

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>>2235449

>>2233370
>/x/ meets /his/
kek

>>2235366
I said no such thing about absolutes. Did you miss the part where I said death would be required sometimes? Anyway, I see you point and I get it. But we can say "they could be" and that's the end of it I suppose.
>>2235449
Why should I? I have no reason to. I'm not the guy you're replying to, btw. It's just circumstance the bible became so influential. You can do whatever mental gymnastics you want to have abrahamic faiths "work", but the fact is that religion is just a natural step that every burgeoning civilization takes. Demonstrable with literally every civilization on earth, just like language and agriculture.

t. Ex christian

>No there's no way [large animal] ever existed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_eagle

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>>2235477
>>/tumblr/

>>2233132
Dude stop, you're making Christianity look bad.
>>2233122
The Bible wasn't a claim either. Back in those days, ideas were not explained through abstract language but instead artfully crafted stories that explained the nature of man's relationship to God, or the great unknown. Don't treat the flood as a scientific account, but instead insight into the human condition

>>2235487
What a strange strawman. There's no doubt megafauna existed (and still does kinda). Elephant bird, gigantopithecus, megatherium, etc.

Giant humans? Nah. Gigantism sure, but humans have a habit of hyperbole, there's no disputing that. Besides, giant myths are from long ago typically - where entertainment and legends were oral tales passed down. How the fuck is that stuff supposed to be true? Ever played the game of telephone?

>>2235492
Not an argument.

a large humanoid doesn't make any sense anyway. We're not build for strength like monkeys or apes, even small apes are stronger than grown men because their bodies are just designed stronger. humans survived with endurance, speed, and succeeded very much on a quantity(them and their shitty weak little bodies) beating quality (big creatures designed to kill) basis. The fact is that a human body even at a large size would be outcompeted by better designs that we see in modern animals, and a giant wouldn't be an effective-enough hunter to survive, he'd never have the speed or endurance to get enough and other large predators would easily kill him. Much like a bobcat can still easily kill a man, a large cat would likewise easily kill a giant man, we'd just not designed to be the big strong type our bodies only make sense in a smaller form that maximizes endurance and minimizes energy needed.

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>>2235507
People on /k/ are on average going to be more experienced than the sample of that bullshit study.

>>2235524
Alright, fine, you stupid fucking autistic retard. /k/ is an unbelievably tiny, extremist section of the internet and even smaller section of the worldwide outdoor crowd. No one gives a shit about if a bunch of literal autistics can handle firearms and hike. Most won't do that, and that just sucks for you. Jesus christ I was trying to be civil

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>>2235538
>Not an argument.

>>2235543
My argument is "/k/ is so small that no one gives a shit about what they think"

>>2233685
>I thought that guy had a musket
>im now imagining that as a standard in some fictional army
god damn

>>2233123
>you wouldn't believe how few samples we actually have.
We have quite a lot of them, actually. Intact fossils and certain specimens are harder to come buy, but that's not really a shortage of ancient stuff to examine.
You can buy trilobite fossils pretty easily.

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>>2235559
But that's what you were talking about. Who cares about common hikers, if you're stupid enough to get eaten by a bear in this day and age you deserve to die. That's just evolution. This entire argument started talking about /k/ finding skinwalkers.

>>2235178
an update on viking findings, there is supposedly a second and third viking settlement found in newfoundland
right now its not certain but there is a good chance considering the viking's ease of travel on the water and that they were searching for new land to claim

>>2235620
>come from ice
>find more ice

they sure had a good laugh at that I bet

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>>2235629
yeah, they left europe only to find this shit, which was terrible for pre industrial habitation

however, if they even travelled to the st lawrence river region, they would've found plenty of arable land that could've seen permanent settlement

think about it, if they went just a tad further, we could've seen european colonialism 500 years earlier, and a society of ethnically mixed natives and vikings, mixed cultural and religious practises, completely different trade networks, different everything in the americas and possibly even a longer lasting viking dominance in europe due to this new economic power they recieved

>>2235647
Don't forget that it would be a continent almost entirely free of Christian and Greco-Roman influence beyond what the Norse had absorbed from pillaging the shit out of Germany, England, and Ireland for a couple hundred years. That alone would make the history of "the West" completely different. Would the Popes focus the Crusades to reclaim the Holy Land from Muslims who still basically believed in Jesus, or would they be wars of conquest hurled across the Atlantic at the barbarous pagans and red men?

>>2233123
>you wouldn't believe how few samples we actually have.
Basically any slate of unprocessed chalk will have all kinds of fossils and imprints.

>>2236122
>Would the Popes focus the Crusades to reclaim the Holy Land from Muslims who still basically believed in Jesus, or would they be wars of conquest hurled across the Atlantic at the barbarous pagans and red men?
The barbarous pagans and Red Men didn't hold Jerusalem.

>>2233490
>If it was only to do with inhabiting the same niche, neither species should have gone extinct, but humans shouldn't have been able to increase their populations.
Humans can get by on 1/3 the estimated required daily caloric intake of the Neanderthal. We simply took their food and let them starve.

>>2234386
There was a king of Poland who could bend horseshoes bare-handed, and a Dutch leader who could one-hand claymores (or whatever the Dutch analog is). Sometimes people just have a high muscle mass ceiling and little problem reaching it.

>>2235393
actually, the core of the Goliath story seems to have been pretty true, regardless of what you believe in.
David's entire "lore" in this episode, outside of him killing Goliath, is what's disputed.

>>2231168
>People tell you giants are real
>yeah, whatever
>see one single person with gigantism
>well shit, I guess literally everything they say is right

A race of giants was most likely early man's explanation of seeing individuals with gigantism or other birth defects. Same way we came up with the concept of a unicorn by people seeing rhinos and describing them as horses with horns to people who hadn't seen them.

>>2236269
My guess is that first hand accounts described goliath as being a really tall man, somewhere around 6' 6" to 7', but the actual height wasn't mentioned. He was just "tall".

Later records would have read this and figured that his height must have been extraordinary for it to be mentioned, and then his stature was exaggerated.

>>2232661
Still heaviky debated, most people judge them to be a sickened group.

>>2231260
>according to the Bible
Fucking idiot

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>>2231621
>>2231627

the story has embellishments, but the character was based on a verified ancestor of manute bol

>>2236326
They don't seem understand that being over 6 foot tall 2000+ years ago would actually make you seem like a giant. I'd imagine the height of the average person back then was considerably smaller than it is nowadays.

>>2236326
>>2237110
>Goliath's stature as described in various ancient manuscripts varies: the oldest manuscripts—the Dead Sea Scrolls text of Samuel, the 1st century historian Josephus, and the 4th century Septuagint manuscripts—all give his height as "four cubits and a span" (6 feet 9 inches or 2.06 metres) whereas the Masoretic Text gives this as "six cubits and a span" (9 feet 9 inches or 2.97 metres; Hebrew: שֵׁ֥שׁ אַמֹּ֖ות וָזָֽרֶת šêš ’ammōṯ wā-zāreṯ).[10][11]

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>>2233801
maximinus thrax? he wasn't a roman he was a barbarian

>nine feet tall
maybe in roman feet

>>2233451
There's evidence we ate neanderthals, that's pretty damning, bruh.

>>2231610
I'm not defending this retarded bullshit but I think a lot of people agree that "the great flood" from ancient stories refers to the end of the last glaciar age, which definitely did flooded many regions of the world.

>>2233906
One of those heights is actually common even in healthy humans today, and the other doesn't seem impossible at all.

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>>2234803

>>2235502
But we have giants nowadays, even if they are considered sick people. We just don't glorify them because we are aware they have a problem.

>>2235647
So North America would be the same kind of shithole Latin America is?

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Why is this board dedicated to non-exact sciences full of fedora-wearing ledditors?

You are literally talking about a science that works by looking at tiny things you find on the ground and more than half the time using your god danm imagination to try and figure out what it is and what it was used for. And you are telling me that stories about """"giants"""" a couple of centimeters higher than the average modern day human require detailed complete fossil findings with an HD photograph of the giant in question?

>>2231610
>Except for the fact that the entire earth is covered in sedimentary rock.

>Sediment from the great Flood.

>Recorded by every ancient civilization ever.

yfw you realize the entire fossil record is evidence of a global flood.

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>>2233370
spoopiest

>>2235247
He wouldn't get attacked twice if you shot it

>>2237506
but south america wasn't colonized by viking era scandinavians


one culture mixing with native culture can be completely different than another culture mixing with the native culture

also, south american natives and north american natives are not culturally the same m8

>>2237180
So then doesn't it make more sense to say that him being 6' 9" is way more likely than him being 9 feet tall?

>>2237498
That doesn't make them a race, which is what OP was asking.

Gigantism has probably existed for a long time, but there's no evidence of a race of people where being 8 feet tall was the norm.

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There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Genesis 6:4)

>>2237718
I could make the argument the average scandinavian is a giant to the average asian.

Tho this will be less truth as globalization turns us into an indistinguishable mass of halfbreeds who will all die from some retarded common cold.

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>>2233123
>you wouldn't believe how few samples we actually have
>denying dinosaurs all together
don't creationist museums have displays of humans and dinosaurs living together? does creationism acknowledge dinosaurs or not? are conflicting views allowed within creationism?

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>>2233132
>evidence=claim
>things falling toward the ground is evidence of gravity
>things falling toward the ground is actually just a claim of gravity
wat

>>2237752
He's not denying dinosaurs, are you fucking retarded?

>>2232670
>there were fellow human species alive until the last century
>ywn see them
I didn't ask for these feels.

>>2234803
ooh, what kind of geologist?
>inb4 sedimentology because oilbux.

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>>2233420
Holy shit, what's it like that far up your own ass?

>>2233790
That is some serious grasping at very farfetched straws

>>2233460
large scale flood: yes. flood that covered the entire globe: no. the ancient flood referred to in the bible spanned the Mediterranean, and was not part of the end of the ice age. when the ice age ended humanity was still in it's neanderthal stage.

>>2238017
The Mediterranean WAS the entire world for most people of the Mediterranean.

>>2238017
Wrong, Homo Sapiens appeared before the end of the last ice age. Do keep in mind there have been many of them.

>>2237729
>halfbreed humans will die of common diseases
>mutts regularly outlive purebred dogs

Okay

>>2231168
Bane?

>>2238017
It was the entire world, Darwinist.

>>2238017
The flooding of the Med probably happened at about 5.33 Ma, the Black Sea deluge hypothesis is a more likely candidate

>>2231168
Megafauna is real. If there were giant cats why no giant monkeys?

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>implying there aren't giants these days

>>2231264
t. skinwalker

>>2239309
>If there were giant cats why no giant monkeys?
I don't know, ask God I guess.

>>2234005
You'd be surprised. Neolithic humans have evidence of trading Stone Age weapons across most of the world from a single site in Europe believed to have specialized in making them.

>>2239721
>biting the Solutrean myth down unquestioningly

l y l

>>2237003
t. uneducated faggot

>>2236997
its been proven they werent just malnourished

>>2238017
How the fuck do you or anyone know how far back into our ancestral memory the Bible's ancient stories reach?

What IF the Flood story comes from the Ice Age floods? Doesn't that more precisely align with the timeline of human experience presented in Genesis? If we assume that Adam and Eve's story comes with the uplifting of Homo Sapiens as a species, then the Flood corresponding with the end of the Ice Age seems to fit.

>>2236997
t. creationist

>>2231179
>>2231264
I know this isn't /an/ but is it possible that tales about giants may have descended from encounters with giant sloths or some other megafauna?

Didn't the Aztec's Five Suns say the first world was inhabited by acorn-eating giants?

>>2240451
You fucking seriously think that there's a real world event that proves the Biblical flood (and thus proves Abrahamism) to have merit when the flood story itself is just a slightly modified version of the same myth that's been around since fucking Sumeria only with different gods at the helm?

>>2231168
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/smithsonian-admits-to-destruction-of-thousands-of-giant-human-skeletons-in-early-1900s/

>>2240467
Everything in your post only strengthens my point. The story of a global flood is very, very old. It seems to be as old as human civilization. Why do you rule out the idea that it stretches all the way back to the dawn of humanity?

>>2240476
I'm not disputing that (nor the same guy as him) I'm just disputing the idea that there was an event that correlates, except perhaps in the loosest fashion, with the Bible. The Sumerians told the same story, and were undoubtedly closer to whatever event spawned it and they were of a very different opinion of its significance.

>>2240476
>Everything in your post only strengthens my point. The story of a global flood is very, very old.
It might have something to do with the fact that floods are and have probably always been the most lethal and all around destructive natural disasters.

>>2240478
Why are you afraid of an event correlating to the Bible?

Moreover, Genesis is not an account of even ancient history, as most of the Old Testament is. Genesis is an account of prehistory. Genesis is an account of things that happened before the proper beginning of civilization. Regardless of when the book itself was written, it purports to tell the tale of what happened at the very beginning of the universe up to the beginning of the Jews as a race.

I don't think it's improper to look extremely far into the past to examine the events Genesis describes. The Creation and the Fall, after all, would have to have happened millions of years ago since they concern the very beginnings of humans as a species. Isn't the idea that Genesis' stories correspond to the depths of prehistory worth considering?

>>2240493
>Why are you afraid of an event correlating to the Bible?
Nobody is. The bible just describes vague events that plenty of other cultures talked about in their own myths. You are a victim of confirmation bias. You're looking at stories in the bible and searching for evidence that proves they're authentic.

>>2240541
But I feel, in turn, that you're too quick to toss them aside.

Those vague events, which, as you say, plenty of other cultures describe, how do you know how old they are? Why do you assume that the legends of the very far ancient world, not just Genesis but the Epic of Gilgamesh and such, don't extend back into prehistory?

Will you at least grant me that? Will you acknowledge that the Bible may describe events from prehistory?

>>2240541
All myths are based somewhat on reality.

You might be right when saying that stories like the flood don't "prove the bible right" but I'd still say the bible is a nice record of what people from the neolitic tough about the events going on around them.

IMO it's a lot harder to talk about Adam and Eve as a real specific event, but if you are already assuming God is real. It's probably not too far fetched to think the "Adam and Eve" were the names of either the first human-like individuals, or the first homo sapiens. Especially truth since we don't know how language developed, but as names to distinguish between one another is a very popular theory (Since other smart species like Dolphins seem to name each other).

>>2240493
The fact that both Judaism and Christianity keep track of the genealogy from Adam onwards makes genesis approximately 6000 years old from a literalist interpretation

>>2240754
Autism, the post

>>2231168
There hasn't been enough oxygen in the atmosphere to support giants since the fucking dinosaurs died out.

>>2240472
Isn't that a fake news site?

>>2235221
Sam Jackson. You're thinking of Sam Jackson.

We ARE the giants, compared to pigmies and some other humanoids

>>2237785
It is just claim though. They could be falling because of a number of other reasons (density, for exaple). What proves gravity is much more than "things falling toward the ground" evidence.

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>>2235507

>>2234005
Neanderthals

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>>2233685

>>2233906
>using a missile weapon in a melee duel
>attacking the other army after the duel
Jews sure are tricky.

>>2231168
Genesis 6:4
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Yes, obviously.

>>2237785

There is no "gravity" that's distinct from electricity, dielectricity, magnetism, etc.

It's all the same.

>>2237250

yeah we ate them and their genes passed through our stomach into our DNA magically

>>2233132

Aye, and the claims of the bible have withstood the test of time for ages, unscratched.

Bible:There are countless numbers of stars
Greek Science: There are 1,017 stars.
Galileo: There are 3,336 stars.
Today: There are countless numbers of stars, but the bible is still wrong.

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>>2242384
That's fucking great

>>2237250
They were just people who lived longer than we do, hence they aged more than we do.

They're not monkey people.

There are none, and were never any, monkey people.

>>2240451
There was 1 and only 1 ice age, and that was a result of the flood.

Water over a mile high covering the entire earth.

All of the volcanoes on earth erupting and sending debris in the atmosphere for a year or more, the time it took the water to subside.

The poles then froze over. This all happened about 4600 years ago.

>>2232661
maybe there might have been some kind of human mega fauna which hasn't been found yet.

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>>2239049
>Darwinist

You use the term Darwinism pejoratively to imply that the theory has only been held as true by Darwin and a core group of his followers: A false prophet and his twisted acolytes.

You use the term Darwinism pejoratively to imply that the theory of evolution has not itself evolved since Darwin to include evidence from other Scientists and other fields.

You use the term Darwinism pejoratively to cast those who are presently convinced evolution happens as dogmatic and inflexible in their belief. Unwilling to consider the overwhelming mountains of evidence in favor of whatever it is that you believe in the contrary

(I have a guess, but I don't go off guesses alone)

Yet I never grew up feeling like I was going to be rewarded or punished for believing or not believing in evolution.

I never grew up being told that I would be shunned by community if I didn't believe in evolution.

There are no tax-free cronyist havens (churches) for people who believe in Atheism.

It is political suicide still to be an Atheist in politics even in the most progressive countries on Earth, and if in the minds of creationists Atheism implies Darwinism and vice-versa (the rhetoric often does go in that direction) then to believe in evolution even in places like America and Britain is, in part, political suicide.

So,

I ask you, what incentive (not reason or evidence) is there for a filthy Darwinist such as myself to believe in evolution, which promises me nothing but death and categorizes me as an animal.

Why would I believe such an absurd thing over Christ and Creation, which promises me everything forever, in exchange for nothing but belief and good works.

Clearly with the incentives so stacked against me, there must be some pretty compelling reasons and evidence to get me to even want to discuss this with people who are convinced I am going to burn in hell forever, and that I am, possibly, a liar, charlatan, naive, dangerous, and incompatible.

>>2242543
Jesus christ man format your post.
Stop posting as if this is reddit.

>>2242543
Ty for new copypasta

>>2242543
This is the problem. Whilst Copernicus or Galileo went against the CHURCH, Darwin went against the Koran/Bible AKA word of God. That's the issue here.

It is very easy to be granted an easy passage to hell.

>>2231264
Who's skin did you steal to write this post?

>>2240541
kek

Keep telling yourself that you're an honest seeker of truth dude.

>>2242543
>A false prophet and his twisted acolytes.

An excellent description of Darwinism.

>>2237721
>yfw when this describes Neanderthals and humans breeding together to create taller hybrids
But you have no face.

>>2233420
>study sumerian for 4 years
>so, so many fucking myths that predate the bible are are almost identical
>fucking jews and xians still literally believe this shit
>jews are so cucked that they still have a month, Dumuzi, named after a sumerian god
>hurr yahweh stronk durr

>>2243190
But.
But.
It had to start somewhere.
Literal or not, the fact that Sumerians also had some of the same stories indicates that there are kernels of truth in them.

>>2243200
All myth has a aetiological function. That's the absolute at the heart of all myth.

For example, the flood myth - why does it occur in so many different culture, independent of one another? Try to think it out.

>>2243217
Dude.
I agree with you.
I'm just saying that the fact that people still believe in their myths, which are detivative of other myths, does not *in itself* negate the possible historicity of the myths.

>>2243190

Was the devil there at the beginning?

Is he still alive?

Is he still telling people lies?

>All these wicked and satanic people believe the same things!

Yes, no doubt.

>>2243231
>the devil

I was trying to come up with something snotty and funny, but just "the devil" will do, I think.

>>2243231
>>2243229
No. Myth is an attempt to explain the natural world by storytelling. It always seeks to explain something.

The flood myth, for example. The classic form is that the world is created from the waters of chaos (absu) - firmament arising magically from the waters of the void.

Now try to think of a natural process that mirrors the conceptualisation of this.

Birth. The world is being seen like a fetus in the dark waters of the womb, magically becoming firmament in them.

If you apply the same thought processes to all myth, then you can unravel them to see the aetiological function inherent. It's simple.

>>2243254
I mean, yeah, but I also think that some myths are remnants of oral histories. I don't think my view is that "out there".

>>2238017
im not saying the flood covered the entire globe, the bible does, the facts from each flood story (and there is pretty much one for every culture and religion) are skewed and have each religions slant on it but that doesn't mean they aren't all talking about an actual event

>>2243275
Look. They didn't even know this was a planet, ok? They thought you could fall off the edge. When they said: "the whole world", they had no way of verifying that with planes or satellites. They *thought* it was the whole world. So it's true, but not scientific fact.

>>2243274
Mm, and you get oral history in myth. Gilgamesh being the obvious example. But then, the mythic elements which are tacked on explain things, eg. why serpants shed their skin.

>>2243275
>>2238017
Actually, leading hypothesis is that the south of mesopotamia was indeed flooded, and climate change caused the land to appear from the flood. Having said this, the general narrative is still the creation of the world in reverse.
You're a fucking moron if you think there was a flood covering the entire world, however, since we can just look at geology and discount that instantly.

But the whole purpose of myth isn't to recount historical events, it's to explain things about the cosmos by use of stories. Myths in what likely originated as oral histories (gligamesh et al.) are generally additions to the original narrative.

>>2243309
I guess I distinguishbetween myth and folktale/fairytale for the archetypical stuff you are talking about.
I think we mainly agree.

>>2243307
i agree with you and was going to make that point but didnt want to write a block of text
>>2243309
again i dont believe the flood covered the entire world read my post again
>the facts from each flood story are skewed and have each religions slant on it
slants include but not limited to
>scale of the flood
>cause of the flood

>>2242412
Neandarthals weren't monkey people. They may even have been smarter than us, going by brain/body ratio.

>>2242918
Darwin didn't go against the Bible.

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>>2231179
>The Nahullo were said to be cannibals whom the Choctaw killed whenever the opportunity arose.
That shit is some 13th Warrior/Eaters of the Dead shit, maybe the whole Grendal was also some paleolithic human offshoot that we wiped out. Maybe Homo Sapiens destroyed ALL the other Homo variants across the world on some ancient long forgotten crusade. I mean conflict literally drives or at least heralds progress in many cases throughout history.

>>2243474
>Maybe Homo Sapiens destroyed ALL the other Homo variants across the world on some ancient long forgotten crusade.
We did it by filling the niche best. We're the most efficient at what all homos do.

>>2243411
Saying we evolved necessarily imputes a longer time of Earth's existence which is alluded to in the Bible. It also necessarily goes against being created.

This fact necessitates that science is incorrect in these areas. Do you want to keep being a drone and doubt God's commands or do you want to progress and move forward?

no. Just tall people.

Remember, 6'0" was tall for the time.
So, imagine a freak who was 7'0"

mfw every time a Christian makes a big "CONFIRMATION BIAS: THE POST" In fact you might as well call christianity "Confirmation Bias: The Religion".

I used to be christian so I literally do understand your fear of death and the stupidity you're willing to believe to alleviate that fear, I was in the same boat. But there comes a time when the logical side of your brain can't take it anymore and you either accept the lie for whatever social benefits it has or you ditch the religion for the convoluted and contradictory nonsense that it is.

T. Christian that went to church twice a week for his entire childhood and has read the entire bible twice, probably unlike any of you "devout" cucks.

>>2231607
Someone with an actual glandular gigantism syndrome would appear even huger to the average 5'0'' malnourished manlet. We're still talking about ordinary humans though.

>>2232661
>when idiots who only have a vague idea of what they're talking about have an opinion.
Homo floresiensis lived a meagre existence and ONLY on one small island.

>>2232670
>>2237813
They died out about 18,000-17,000 years ago. Zero chance they survived even into the bronze age. They were hominids, but probably had an intelligence in between that of a man and a chimp.

>>2243484
>We did it by filling the niche best.
That implies we are good at organized killing, of which we are.

>>2233790
>the bible is the only evidence I need, 'cause it's totally true god's word

>>2243572
>I used to be christian

Liar.

>>2243572
My dude.
But I went 3 times a week.
But still.

>>2243612

Yup.

>>2243558
Goliath was 9'6"

>>2243411
kek

>>2243254

All lies come from the father of lies, including yours. The flood is no more a myth than your existence is a myth.

>>2243626
Not an argument.
Also not verifiable.

>>2234288
good goyim. don't believe those lying educated intellectual sneaksters. basement dwelling little pony collectors are more knowledgeable.

>>2243642
Yeth?

>>2242543
>ten commandments
>arbitrary and metaphorical

Stupid as shit.
Atheists are the niggers of religion.

>>2242399
No, some of us ate them and some of us fucked them.

>>2243643
It is an argument. One that you cannot discern.

1. A person who becomes a Christian in this age is permanently transformed into a new creation.

2. A person who has been permanently transformed into a new creation cannot undo that transformation.

Ergo, anyone who says "I used to be a Christian" is lying.

Poss. 1: He was a Christian then, and still is, even though denying the faith; or

Poss. 2: He was never a Christian to begin with.

#2 is 99% of you people. You think growing up in church makes you a Christian. You think your parents baptizing you as a baby makes you a Christian. You think being born in a "christian nation" makes you a Christian.

Verifiable. But at your cost, not mine.

Conclusion: Anyone who says "I used to be a Christian" in this age is lying to i) themselves or ii) the rest of the world or iii) both.

Three feat could just be an exaggeration, it could just been some who was 7 or so feet tall and thus seen as "giant"

>>2239322

Came here to post this. How is this even a question? There are giants today, there were giants in the past. They're just the opposite of midgets.

>>2244099

Is there an official cutoff for how tall you have to be to count as a giant? I don't understand why anyone doubts they existed, they clearly still exist today unless your cutoff is something crazy like fifty feet tall.

>>2244082
So basically you're taking >150 words to so that you have a more restrictive definition of "Christian" than everyone else.
Thanks for adding no information to the discussion.

>>2243631
>implying the bible isn't the closest bronze age hunter-gatherers could come to describing the horrifyingly terrific visions God sent them of the true nature of the universe
Try explaining the United States vs. Microsoft Corporation to Gorgias and multiply that by an indefinitely large number and you have the Bible.
It's not even perfect from a Christian standpoint, as to be perfect the Bible would either have to exist solely in Heaven, exist in Heaven and have incomplete, projected forms on Earth, or literally be God.
>protties

>>2244309
*United States vs. Microsoft Corporation lawsuit

>>2244082
No.
I can tell you that by any definition I was absolutely a Christian. I sought the Lord daily, I fasted, I walked humbly in the light of the word, I communed with other believers... And when I counted the cost, I decided that it was too high.
I did not want to die to myself. I wrestled with the verse: "it is no longer I, but Christ which liveth in me".
I decided that I wanted to live a life with an ego, where I could do what I wanted to do, and think what I wanted to think. I no longer wanted to take every thought captive. I did not want every action to be done for the glory of God.
I absolutely walked away from the faith.
But I had true faith.

>>2231168
No, most people were just manlets

>>2244499
This. Agriculture lead to people in civilisation eating less meat so they didn't grow as much. So whenever they bumped into someone from outside of society that had meat in their diet they might have been percieved as big guys.

>>2244702
If I pull that atlatl off will you die?

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>>2244082
Yes yes apostates don't exist it's all just a satanic conspiracy or w/e crackpot fallacy you've hopped yourself up on.

At least you aren't beheading people for it again, so that's something.

>implying all Abrahamic religions don't try to force the impossible to deconvert line because numbers are valuable

>>2240763
I'm not sure that's true. I know carbon dioxide was higher in the Cretaceous at least.

>>2231168
>And he was all of three feet taller than the others.

So he was 6'5"?

>>2244763
It's possible that both oxygen and carbon dioxide were more prevalent in the atmosphere if more nitrogen were locked in the biosphere or hydrosphere.

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>>2233629
>Don't people with gigantism have loads of health problems?

Yes, Robert Wadlow died at the age of 22.
He was 8'11"

>>2233370
This is why humanities was a mistake

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>>2231610
Perhaps no evidence of a worldwide cataclysmic event, but a regional life scarring event that centered on the first civilizations of mankind is very probable in the middle east. There are religions from across the globe (Mayans, Sumerians, American Indians, South African Tribes) with flood myths and a vessel that is built beforehand that saves mankind from it, with a common theme of a "cleansing" of mankind from sin or angering god, and "scattering of the languages" that are all exactly the same as each other with small details like the specifc god or the foods used in the ark interchanged to their region's deities and common crops, or that the Tower of Babel was called the Tower of the Seven Spheres, with Babel meaning something along the lines of bringing the people against God, or in the case of South American tribes, a giant astronomer's tower that upset the gods. Look up the Mayan Popol Vuh, The Sumerian tale Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta, The Great Flood of China, the Phillipine Igorot and the South American Cañari creation and flood myths, many of which have argued would have occured about 10,000 years ago if given a specific date of occurance.

I honestly think a great deal of the world's population came from the same "ark" building incident from a tragic flood, and another tragedy occured regarding their first city in rebuilding civilization after the tragedy ended with them splitting apart and spreading across the earth. Not to mention it lines up with the Abrahamic religions as well obviously.
>>2231178
I'd believe it on account of some people in modern history reaching large heights through genetic abnormalities. But an entire race of people as high as 12 feet tall seems unlikely, I'd think of them more as around 8-9 feet tall.

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>>2242407
that proves literally nothing.
thats like not knowing the answer to 2+2 and guessing 4. meanwhile, 4 is the answer you just didn't know at the time.

>>2242407
Yeah because a broken clock is never right.

Oh wait.

>>2231610
Yea, there is.

However, the flooding can be attributed to meteor impacts, like in the Yucatan, and, of course, tsunami's due to earthquakes.

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>>2235247
that's why you hit them with a Tyrannosaur. This can stop a charging rhino.

>>2242407
>Today: There are countless numbers of stars
The number of stars is absolutely countable.

>>2243217
Do you think it might be because most civilizations start near water?

>>2245440

Bullshit.

Those numbers change like every 10 years.

>>2231168
>Three feet taller than the others
>Average height around four foot
>Your odd seven foot dude becomes a giant
That's how

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>>2245474
>>2245665
Unless you're saying that there are an infinite number of stars, they're countable.

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>>2245678
Depends on if you think there is an end to space. You'll never count them all, and merely counting what we can see from our solar system alone is like trying to count the grains of sand on a beach.

>>2245678
i think the definition of uncountable is literally "too many to count," not an infinite amount

>>2242407
>Greek Science: There are 1,017 stars.
that has to be bullshit

>>2245678

There is a concept called uncountably large, so no. Not infinite. There are not infinite points of light.

>>2244256
There's only one way to become a Christian, and once that is accomplished, there are more tools available to a person to discern between Christians and wolves dressed as sheep.

You should not be concerned how I knew.

You should be concerned that I know.

>>2244309

The bible is the inspired Word of God.

When you understand that what it means to be inspired by God, feel free to post again.

/rel/ board when?

>>2244362
Thank you for describing in detail how you were never a Christian.

I'm not sure why that was so difficult.

You are agreeing with me that you were a #2.

>>2244758
Apostates exist in religions where apostates can exist.

Permanent transformations are permanent.

>>2245248
Yes, the bible guesses correctly on things that happen 3500 years later. Consistently. Every single time.

Very lucky, the bible. Very lucky indeed.

>>2245440
Not even hypothetically, as they die.

If you were wise, you would make the case that the stars are countable, and that number is zero.

But are you wise?

>>2243631
>content decided by bishops, popes and other clerics to make the religion seem more attractive
>people decide what is "canonical" and "non-canonical"

i would probably respect the bible if it didn't just consist of the most convenient sources

>>2247126
Arabs thought that too. Not just the Greeks.

Mirzo Ulughbeg, al-Kashi, and Ali Kushchi made a significant contribution to the theory of numbers, and raised to a higher level the knowledge of their time on observational astronomy. In 1428-29 he built a unique astronomical observatory with the main instrument - a quadrant, with a radius of 40 meters that was unmatched in size. A unique catalog of 1018 stars compiled in Samarkand on the basis of 30-year observations, for many years remained the best one in the world.

>>2247126
Between Hipparchus and Ptolemy’s Almagest we have a three century gap. Some scholars have suggested that this period was some sort of “dark age” for Greek astronomy, while other scholars believe that the Almagest's triumph wiped out all previous astronomical works. This is a superfluous debate since the importance of a scientific work is often measured by the number of previous works it makes redundant.

The Almagest is a colossal work on astronomy. It contains geometrical models linked to tables by which the movements of the celestial bodies could be calculated indefinitely. All Greco-Babylonian astronomical achievements are summarized in this work. It includes a catalogue containing over 1,000 fixed stars. The cosmology of the Almagest would dominate western astronomy for the 14 centuries to come. Although not perfect, it had sufficient accuracy to remain accepted until the Renaissance.

>>2247151

You're posting on it. Read the definition.

>>2247171
The men who wrote it did not find it convenient at all.

>>2247197
well, obviously not considering the huge amount of material from which to draw, but that does not change the fact that powerful humans - not god - decided which text deserves to be in the holy book. That's politics, not religion (although it could very well be argued that politics is part of religion and vice versa)

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>>2247189
Huh
But did they really think there were no more stars out there that they hadn't found yet? Were they that confident in their own abilities?

>>2247208
God decided. The Holy Spirit of God dwelled in the 40 or so authors of the bible, bringing all things to their remembrance, telling them what to say, and how to say it.

Most of them were killed for their work, so again, not "convenient".

And most definitely not "drawn from prior sources".

>>2247224
Every generation is.

Most especially ours.

Every generation is proven wrong, silly and foolish.

As will ours.

>>2247296
Right, so God dwelt in all of the authors
Bait or not, I'm not entirely opposed to that idea myself (Though not Christian, I believe in God).

Seems like I'll have to repeat myself again: my issue is not with the actual material or the authors behind the text; my issue is with the people like popes and bishops decide which parts get to stay in the bible or not, i.e. which text are canonical and non-canonical

also, i never said the material was written for convenience, merely that powerful christians later decided whether text would or would not be non-canonical and that inconvenient text were omitted to help the chuch grow

>>2247428
I have the same issues with those same people.

Just infinitely moreso as they are leading people like you down the broad road to destruction.

>>2247456
sure thing buddy

>>2247479
Your theory that powerful men decided what scriptures are inspired and which are not is also bogus; they only claimed to do that.

The tanakh was taken en toto.

The NT books were written, disseminated and organically compiled centuries before any "organized religion" made their own "canon".

If you think a religion that teaches you to pray to the Queen of Heaven is not leading you on the path to hell, you should really see what the bible says about the Queen of Heaven.

In fact, you should really see what the bible says about everything.

>>2247552
The Tanakh isn't a single piece of work; it's also a collection of texts given canonical status, so I fail to see the point of that argument.

"Inspired" or not, the Bible wasn't magically descended from the sky; it was compiled by humans and revised several times. In this process, yes, parts were both added or removed.

>The NT books were written, disseminated and organically compiled centuries before any "organized religion" made their own "canon".

See above answer. Also, please clarify what you mean by "organically compiled".

>If you think a religion that teaches you to pray to the Queen of Heaven is not leading you on the path to hell

I fail to see what you're getting at with this point, but what you're referring to has nothing to do with my beliefs.

Judaism, Christianity and islam all worship the same god. And that god is the Devil.

Any path to salvation and true God starts with the recognition of the above statement.

>>2247735
All of the books of the tanakh are in the Old Testament. All of them.

I was showing you how the bible was compiled by actual Christians when it was actually being done.

Every work in the New Testament was written by an eyewitness of Jesus' life, ministry, death or resurrection, and none of it contradicts anything in the tanakh.

Anything other than that belongs to the gnostics, to the catholics, to the historical/apocryphal collections of books, and not to the bible.

"Originally compiled" is the result of the free dissemination of all of the works to anyone in the 1st century who wanted them.

The people you have a problem with worship the Queen of Heaven. They call her Mary.

She is not the mother of God but the wife of Babylon's founder, Nimrod.

>>2247745
False. As in all things, it's all about Jesus.

To the Jew, Jesus is a false messiah.
To the muslim, Jesus was a prophet, the Jewish messiah, but just a man and not God himself in the flesh. Their Jesus did not die on a cross and did not rise from the dead. They believe their Jesus will join their Mahdi in fighting the devil at the end of the age.

To the Christian, Jesus is God, died for the sins of the world, and rose again on the third day.

Not the same at all.

While the Jews think they worship the Father, as they have not the Son, they have not the Father.

While the muslims think they worship God, they actually worship the devil.

So you're 1 out of 3. A failing grade.

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I fucking hate christposters.

get a fucking life and take your head out of your ass

>>2242543
>It is political suicide still to be an Atheist in politics even in the most progressive countries on Earth

wrong

>>2247144
I remember feeling this exact sort of smugness when I was a christian.

Now I'm an adult so logically I'd have to be a retard to still believe it. Your pastor probably doesn't believe it, most people in your church probably don't believe and just go for the social experience and connections.

I'm sorry but eventually you're gonna have to wake up.

>>2236122
You do realize by that point Christianity had already spread within Norse cultures and that Leif Erikson was a Christian himself?