Is he right?

no they were dickheads like everyone else

>>2154812
>>2154812

>>2157836
Were the persians oppresed by spartan transphobics?

>>2157836
>Cracked
>hilarous helmet history
>cardigan wearing nu-male with faggy voice
>using 300 as your source
please ban these threads

>>2157836
>Were the Persians really the good guys?

Not particularly. But neither were the Greeks. Real history doesn't have "good guys" and bad guys. But moral ambiguity upsets retards.

They were fighting a war of aggression. You can't be a good guy if you make war for territories(money,resources)

>>2157836
Of course not. But they were brown which means it's trendy to say they were the good guys

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>>2157947
Your motives might not be selfless altruism but you might be bringing peace to war stricken lands.

>>2157947
This
Despite an arguably much """better""" society, it was a war of aggression. You don't get to just invade, kill, and tax foreigners because by 2016 AD standards you appealed to a leftist sense of tolerance.

>>2157947
>They were fighting a war of aggression.

Not really. Athens was supporting rebellions in Persian territory. Is that not an act of war?

>>2157970
>Persian territory.

You mean the territory that was originally Greek(e.g the Western coast of Turkey), that was annexed by the Persians?

Well yeah, duh.

>>2157947
>They were fighting a war of aggression

This is actually a myth.

Athens had aided Miletus in its attempts to revolt against the Persians. The first invasion was an attempt by Darius to punish them. The second was by Xerxes to punish them for defeating his father.

Athens can be seen as being essentially the Taliban and Persia the U.S, doing a police action of sorts.

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>>2157918
This

>>2157990
This way USA should belong to the Native Americans and Central Asia should belong to Curryniggers.

>>2158012
muh might is right

>>2157836
>implying good and bad exist

>>2157990
>territory that was originally Greek

"Greece" was just a region, not a state with territories.

>>2157990
they were colonies so leftists probably view the invasion as anticolonial

>>2158081
Bitch pls. If you think Athens supported the Ionian Revolt simply because of realpolitik and not tribalism you're retarded.

>>2158099
>you're retarded

no u

>>2157836
The entire point of 300 isn't to be a historically accurate film that has a deep meaning and morals, it's meant to be a film told by an unreliable narrator who skews the story in favour of the Spartans.

In actual war, there are no good guys and bad guys.

>>2157918
Full moral ambiguity is autistic though

>>2158134
What was the motive of the Persians to invade Greece?

>>2158291
Greeks were bankrolling insurgents.

>>2157885
Is everyone a nu male nowadays? He looks pretty normal to me. No obnoxious haircut or facial stubble or anything else.

>>2158349
He's on cracked

>>2158291
someone had to step in and put an end to that massive faggotry

>>2158339
>>2158362
kinda off topic but why did they replace (you) with some shitty outlining? I have to actually peel my eyes to see it, makes me consider stop using this website

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>>2158339
>Greeks were bankrolling insurgents.

>>2158000
>>2158012
>>2157970

Awful Comparisons: The Posts

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>>2157970

Persia invaded all of greece not just Athens and Eretria thus were the agressors.

>muh good and bad
>muh contrarianism
fuck this

man spartan has that culture for their kids

the culture where the kids will have their fun by hunting and beating their slave into death as a spartan teaching

Athens instigated the war through their actions along the Ionian coast, but Persia trying to conqueror the entire Greek peninsula made their war unjust since there was no such thing as Greece back then. It would be like conquering Canada and Mexico just to get to America. So >>2157918 and >>2157841 were right.

>>2158349
>Is everyone a nu male nowadays?

Yes.

Hating on "nu-males" is just a way for internet people to feel superior to their peers or 'kids these days'.

Its the new fedora.

>>2157836
I'd say say they were half bad. They were in the right because Athens helped the Ionian revolt. They were in the wrong because they tried to take all of Greece instead of just Athens

it doesnt matter, not a word he says. so what they kept slaves? the persians were invading sovereign lands, they had the right to protect their way of life.

>>2161534
Ionia was Greek and a Athenian colony.

>>2157836

>lets expand our civilised ways and peace and protection on all those we liberate

its the oldest excuse for imperialism

>>2163264
Cyrus the Great conquered the Ionian states and made them a part of the Persian empire.

>>2163381
So Persian were the aggressors

of course the persians were not the "good guys"

it's flawed logic really

>>2161488

maybe I'm just disgusted by weakness and juvenile misinformation

>>2158012
But central asia is turkic???

>>2158403
Not exactly, the messangers Athens sent to Persia to ask for aid against Sparta made the deal. So they didn't willingly offer themselves.

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>history
>good guys and bad guys

>>>applying modern morality to history in general and ancient civilizations in particular

>>2157955

>hobbes endorsed this view

protip he didnt

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>>2157836
>Spartans weren't free men because they had slaves
Actually that's why they considered themselves free men, they were all free because they had their helots to do all the work, while they trained purely for war so any Persian invading would have faced free spartan men.
>Persia is awesome because it didn't have slaves
This is judging historical civilizations with modern morality which shouldn't be done, even if they didn't have "slaves" there were almost certainly lower class people who were treated poorly. Slavery was common back then and we shouldn't hold one nation higher than another just because the people that were forced into backbreaking labor in their nation weren't called "slaves".
>Sparta was good because they defended Athens and Athens was a democracy, but Athenians were privileged white shitlords so it doesn't count.
This whole bit is hilarious, Sparta is remembered as the good guys because they made a suicidal last stand against an innumerable invading, force they didn't stand a chance against that wanted to conquer and rule Sparta, it takes a lot of mental hoop-jumping to somehow come to the conclusion they are the bad guy in this scenario. They weren't trying to defend Democracy, most of Greece wasn't Democratic, and people talked about Greece as the birthplace for Western Civilization long before Democracy was in vogue. (unrelated, but I think it's funny how he mention Socrates was killed for thought-crime when the main thought crime he committed was talking about how bad democracy was).
>Multiculturalism is good
No

>>2158281
no it's not you autistic retard, but if you insist on spewing nonsense go ahead and spew more so you don't have a panic attack and shoot a school

>>2158349
Well, it is Cracked.

While the video is pretty dumb it does highlight the interesting issue that we as Westerners perceive ancient history through the Greco-Roman point of view and are thus scewed. We consider the Persians to be barbaric invaders when in reality they were the advanced, civilized empire adventuring in the Greek backwater. Alexander the Great was just another "warlord leads barbarian army and topples civilized empire" episode.

>>2158371
Uses less bandwith

>>2164096
this anon gets it

>>2157990
>You mean the territory that was originally Greek(e.g the Western coast of Turkey), that was annexed by the Persians?
Those Greek colonies were previously under the rule of Lydia (Croesus), when that dumb faggot declared war and lost against the Persians and submitted his kingdom to them the Greek colonies were rightfully passed to their control.

>>2163666
There's nothing "nu-" about that though.

>>2164280
you say that like shooting up a school is definitively bad or something maybe take a less black and white approach to such an action

I remember reading historical articles on Cracked. From time to time they were able to find some really obscure shit like an article about criminal underground in early 20th century Hong Kong but also made up some nonsense to appear more interesting. They fucking made me believe that John Quincy Adams was looking for the race of mole people in the Arctic.

It actually makes sense for Americans to like a nd justify the Persian empire.

Both have the same modus operandi as empires.

>>2157947
Not really, Alexander or Napoleon are seen as the good guys today

>>2157836

>Cracked

Fuck off

>>2169971

you sweeping statement reveals a personal and ill-informed bias