What if the Nazis actually won WW2?

Yes.

>>2112562

Germany "Winning" WW2, given their patent inability to decisively strike at Britain, let alone America, probably means defeating the USSR (somehow) and then enduring attacks from the west until their conquests are recognized.

It's unclear how long it would take before the British and Americans get fed up, but it would probably be some kind of fortress Europa, shattered by strategic and possibly nuclear bombing.

It would be pretty hellish in continental Europe, but their influence really couldn't spread that much further.

>>2112562
>No /pol/ meme please.
>Starts a /pol/ meme thread
/his/ was a mistake

>>2112562
They would probably invade the United States and descend, invading Mexico, going to Central America, invading, and then invading South America. But not Argentina.

>>2112574
The USSR could have easily been defeated if the Japs just launched an attack from the East instead of attacking the U.S. and halving the Russian forces as a result, their army was absurdly under utilized in the war and relegated to fighting ridiculous jungle skirmishes in Burma that ended up being completely worthless fighting the elements more than anything else.

>>2112606

>The USSR could have easily been defeated if the Japs just launched an attack from the East instead of attacking the U.S. and halving the Russian forces as a result

Are you ignorant, or just insane?

For starters, the Soviets had about a million troops in the Far East, even on the darkest days of the 1941 attacks, something which is not easy to overcome.

Secondly, even if you do somehow manage to overcome the border defenses, the Soviets can retreat back towards Irkutsk, and tear up the one railroad that there is in that part of the world behind them, while the Japanese get to face winter conditions that are way worse than what the Germans saw in their part of the war. It wouldn't "halve" Soviet forces.

It would barely inconvenience them except insofar as closing Vladivostok for Lend-Lease, and forcing it to reroute to Persian ports.

>>2112615
Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise, so I don't know what you're on about. There's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.

Japanese troops were also used to fighting and very familiar with Siberian weather so I don't know what you're on about with that point either. The IJA wasn't some tiny force that could just be ignored. It would have raised havoc easily and would push all the way to industrialized Russia with little effort with aid from the IJN especially considering what happened with China and how shit the Russians were at communications and logistics.

>>2112653
>Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical


As opposed to say, what would happen if the Japanese attacked the Soviets? At least mine is grounded in facts on the ground.

> million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise,

What the fuck are you talking about?

http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

They transferred 14 divisions. That's a fuckton lot less than a million troops.

>here's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.

No, they can't, because you can't sail battleships up rivers, all Siberian rivers source from inland, and to get to their mouths you'd need to go up into the permafrost, and they are in fact pretty worthless for an inland campaign.

>Japanese troops were also used to fighting and very familiar with Siberian weather

No they weren't. What the fuck are you on about? They were used to conditions in China, not where you have 6 feet of snow 9 months a year.

>The IJA wasn't some tiny force that could just be ignored

No, it was about 4 million men, most of which were needed in China. The few troops that could be spared for a push into Russia would be badly outmatched.

>t would have raised havoc easily and would push all the way to industrialized Russia with little effort with aid from the IJN especially considering what happened with China and how shit the Russians were at communications and logistics.

They were much better than the Japanese, considering how the border clashes in the late 30s went. They wouldn't push anywhere near to "industrialized" Russia.

>>2112653
>Most of what you just mentioned is completely hypothetical and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa numbers wise

Look at the numbers of USSR troops stationed in the east and you'll find that Stalin was continually reinforcing the far east with more troops every year of WW2, not depleting those that were stationed there to shore up the Western front. The IJA stood absolutely no chance whatsoever at making any kind of decisive difference in the European front with actions on Soviet far east holdings.

>>2112663

I just want to make 1 amendment: The Soviets transferred 14 divisions from Siberia to the European theater. Only 7 of them were from the Far East Command.

>>2112562

Neither Germany nor Japan had any intentions of invading the US mainland.

>>2112653
IJA couldn't wrap up the war in China, how the fuck would they fight both them and USSR at the same time.

>>2112682
This. I don't understand where this stupid meme came from. Maybe it's an imaginative narrative to push to sell books and movies.

>>2112663
holy shit I have to deal with a multi quote autist now

>As opposed to say, what would happen if the Japanese attacked the Soviets? At least mine is grounded in facts on the ground.

Irkutsk scenario you mentioned was hypothetical no need to take things out of context.
>http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

you're literally linking the first thing that pops up into google and i'm not talking about the division breakup from one battle, this actually kinda reinforces the fact that there was fucking nothing in Siberia to begin with

>No, they can't, because you can't sail battleships up rivers, all Siberian rivers source from inland, and to get to their mouths you'd need to go up into the permafrost, and they are in fact pretty worthless for an inland campaign.

because the IJN is nothing but battleships right, oh no it wasn't there were many many many smaller craft that could be used to transport troops across the vast amounts of river all throughout Russia. Battleships and carriers would just be used to secure the ports and mouths of the rivers stopping Russian supply from the sea, no biggie.

>No they weren't. What the fuck are you on about? They were used to conditions in China, not where you have 6 feet of snow 9 months a year.

The Japanese fought in Siberia though.

>No, it was about 4 million men, most of which were needed in China. The few troops that could be spared for a push into Russia would be badly outmatched.

4 million is incorrect for just the army, I will leave it at that

>They were much better than the Japanese, considering how the border clashes in the late 30s went. They wouldn't push anywhere near to "industrialized" Russia.

You're really going to go the extra mile and say they were much better really? If you want to nitpick about military superiority look up Tsushima or Khalkhyn Gol casualties and realize the Japanese did far more damage with less actual forces.

>>2112562
>What Hitler envisages, a hundred years hence, is a continuous state of 250 million Germans with plenty of “living room” (i.e. stretching to Afghanistan or there- abouts), a horrible brainless empire in which, essentially, nothing ever happens except the training of young men for war and the endless breeding of fresh cannon-fodder.
>George Orwell 1940
Nuff said

>it's another "Germany would have won WW2 if I was Führer" episode
Why are autists so obsessed with Nazi Germany?

>>2112562
Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis. The question is, would that have persisted after "Final Victory" (let's say, a grudging peace deal with the Soviet Union fucking off the Ukrainian farmland and oil fields, and UK keeping their colonies but ceding the European seas to Germany, U.S. never getting involved, France remaining cucked as a satrapy)? The German economy under the Nazis was heavily based on expansionism, and may have stalled or even fallen apart, after the whirlwind of capturing new assets and producing for the war effort.

>>2112576
>Do you want informative and objective discussion of past world events?
>/his...
>lmao no
>&humanities

>>2112562

One thing people always seem to forget in these German victory scenarios is that Hitler was, and would still be, a fucking idiot.

>>2112704

>holy shit I have to deal with a multi quote autist now

Yes, how terrible that I analyze what you say line by line.

>Irkutsk scenario you mentioned was hypothetical no need to take things out of context.

rkutsk involves the Japanese advancing further on their front than the Germans ever did on theirs, and would be wildly optimistic, and still not getting near any acutally industrialized parts of Siberia.


>you're literally linking the first thing that pops up into google and i'm not talking about the division breakup from one battle, this actually kinda reinforces the fact that there was fucking nothing in Siberia to begin with

You obviously didn't read it. There were a grand total of 14 divisions transferred from "Siberia" from August to December 1941. Most of those weren't even at Moscow, the "one battle". Only half of those were from Far East Command. Your statement that the million troops were pulled out is quite simply wrong.


>attleships and carriers would just be used to secure the ports and mouths of the rivers stopping Russian supply from the sea, no biggie.

What ports do you have at the rivers that flow to the arctic in Siberia? Go on, name a few? What supplies were being brought up from them? And how the hell are the Japanese going to attack through them when they're covered in permafrost?

>The Japanese fought in Siberia though.

A few border clashes, most of which they lost.

>4 million is incorrect for just the army, I will leave it at that

4 million was roughly what they sent to China, and never all at once.

>If you want to nitpick about military superiority look up Tsushima

yes, let's draw from a 40 year old battle.

>Khalkhyn Gol casualties and realize the Japanese did far more damage with less actual forces.

m-muh KDR. You were talking about "logistical and communication issues">>2112663 Which the Soviets did quite a bit better than the Japs at Khalkin Gol.


Retard.

>>2112748
>it's the normie can't understand why Germany was in desperate need for gas and just assumes all the leaders were dummies post

>>2112562
>Axis winning ww2
hahahaha
>Germany and Japan occupying the US
HAHAHAHA

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>>2112562
German hegemony in most of Europe, they wouldn't take over the world like in stupid American fantasies. They would be a huge military power, but who knows how their economy would work out, considering they relied on war for a large part to make it work.

>>2112562
In that book the Germans are the one's who get the nukes and level Washington.

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>>2112807
Well consider that they'd just puppeted half of europe and rest fo them were their allies. They could've pull so much economical leverage like that. Just like EU now.

>>2112793

Nah, he was a legitimately stupid person. After WWI he tried to get a job as a mail-carrier but failed the intelligence test. Karl Mayr, his superior in army Intelligence during WWI, claimed "his intellect was not higher than that of an eight-year-old child." And this is before he became a drug addict.

>>2112783
holy shit i'm not replying to all this autism

>rkutsk involves the Japanese advancing further on their front than the Germans ever did on theirs, and would be wildly optimistic, and still not getting near any acutally industrialized parts of Siberia.

You realize the Japanese don't even have to attack Siberia right? They could literally attack any fucking point of Russia they wanted along the southern border or in the Northwest if they chose. It doesn't matter anyway because there's fucking nothing in Siberia anyway.

>What ports do you have at the rivers that flow to the arctic in Siberia? Go on, name a few? What supplies were being brought up from them? And how the hell are the Japanese going to attack through them when they're covered in permafrost?

It's not the 1700's we're talking about, ice breakers existed in this time and there's something called summer. Ships also weren't made out of wood that kinda helps a little tiny wee bit if your entire ship is made of steel and has a turbine engine.

Russians got btfo completely in Tsushima it was embarrassing and just shows how dogshit they we're tactically and communications wise, and then got their assholes ripped apart in a few border clashes which the Japanese retreated from because they had less forces and still did lots and lots of damage with less actual stuff.

If the Japanese invaded Russia they would have done tons of damage and probably taken city after city with little or no contest until an army actually met them and literally nothing you said has disproven any of that.

Your argument boils down to saying "well millions of soldiers invading from anywhere along tens of thousands of miles would be impossible and repelled instantly somehow even though the Germans plowed through literally their equal in numbers along a much smaller border like a knife though butter."

>>2112807
They probably would done the same as the us, cultural hegemony ( buy our cultural products and we give you money, learn our language since you're a child cause it's useful for you ) treats the other european countries as vassals ( suez crisis anyone ? ), create something similar as Nato, play the good guy with massive propaganda

>>2112865
The Germans were way better at war than the Japanese were. The IJA was actually pretty awful, and denied a lot of funding in favor of the navy after how poorly the border clashes with the USSR went.
For the Japanese to have any hope of overwhelming the Russians they would have needed to halt all other offensive operations including China, the whole reason they went to war in the first place.
Even assuming they do all that any fighting against the Russians are going to be drawn out and bloody.
The Japanese were completely incapable of repeating what the Germans did due to inferior armor, organization, mechanization, and especially logistics.
Under the best case scenario the Japanese take the Far East then nothing happens because the Japanese had no way to cross 500 miles of frozen wasteland between the Far East and western Russia where all the action is.

I ain't even him, you're just coming across as extremely green on WW2 history and potentially a weeaboo with how much you overrate the second worst performing army in the war.

>>2112856
>man with comparable intelligence of an 8 year old becoming supreme leader of all Germans
it checks out

>>2112699
The image from the OP is from the man in the high castle, if you haven't read the book you are pleb, the scenario (of the axis winning) is just framing for the plot.

>>2112562
>what if
>WW2
>Nazis

Congrats OP, you managed to get 3 tell tale signs for a shit/his/ thread in your op. If you are not trolling hard, chances yare you are bellow average intelligence and will fail hard in life.
Enjoy mommies basement while it lasts.

>>2112918
Puppets get put in power all the live long time, famalamadingdong.

>>2112865
I am also another guy but stop this. First of all; imagine sailing with your IJN on some russian rivers. After a while it becomes impossible for them to go further just because of the sheer lack of depth of the river, so they would probably not even be able to reach the important targets at all. Secondly, imagine what an increddible easy target a navy on a river would be for the russian airforce. It just doesn't work. You end up with an utterly defeated japanese navy somewhere in northern siberia without any resources.

> even though the Germans plowed through literally their equal in numbers along a much smaller border like a knife though butter.

The western part of Russian is the hospitable part. Siberia was and still is harsh as fuck withot almost any infrastructural assets except for some raillines, which could easily be sabotaged by the russians. A japanese army advancing through thousand and thousand square kilometers of absolutely nothing would be a historically unprecedented logistical nightmare because there is literally no way for the japanese to reach the front line with resources unless they make use of air supplies, but considering the amount of planes needed for that if you actually want to supply the majority of the japanese army you have to realise that this too is impossible. The germans weren't even able to do it during Stalingrad and the 9th army would only be a fraction of the forces needed by the japanese for a siberian invasion.

>>2112912

Japanese have always been considered first rate soldiers in a third rate army. Their leadership was shit, their equipment was shit, but there's something to be said for fanaticism.

All you have to do is look how little artillery they managed to produce over the war to know the Soviets would push their shit in. You can get away with it on islands, but that's it.

The only battlefields of WW2 in which rifles and machine guns were responsible for more inflicted casualties than artillery/mortars/bombs were those last few island battles against the Americans. If you're familiar with military history you'll understand how crazy that is, and what it says about the Japanese soldier.

the idea is insulting to my intelligence

more so the idea that there are enough Japanese and germans to invade this continent and conquer it

the germans couldn't even capture the UK

>>2112968
You realize Russia has huge rivers everywhere right? and that the Russian airforce was devastated by the Germans and mostly located in the west anyway right? I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You're trying the imply that Japanese can't bring planes into the mix either which they can. They even had a completely separate land based airforce.

>You end up with an utterly defeated japanese navy somewhere in northern siberia without any resources.

With what though? If a significant force invades nothing is going to stop it, especially if your only reinforcement point is a small rail line. It would simply move forward until the Soviets finally gathered an army large enough which would be very very long in the case of Siberia if that's where they invaded.

>>2112912

>The IJA was actually pretty awful, and denied a lot of funding in favor of the navy after how poorly the border clashes with the USSR went.

I don't get how you can claim this even though so many of the Japanese possessions were land based and how much fighting happened in China, Burma etc. It's completely unfounded.

>For the Japanese to have any hope of overwhelming the Russians they would have needed to halt all other offensive operations including China

Not quite halt, it would simply be what was used to attack the U.S. being redirected which was a lot. They were actually focusing quite a bit on southeast Asia and U.S. assets at that time. Most of what was fighting in China was tattered leftovers at that time.

>The Japanese were completely incapable of repeating what the Germans did due to inferior armor, organization, mechanization, and especially logistics.

No I agree they couldn't do exactly that but they also don't even have to because there are no massive armies waiting for them. It's just miles and miles of empty countryside until you get to railways.

All they really have to do is focus on cities and industrial centers or I would imagine simply invade and take the oil fields fast by going through Kazakhstan pretty much completely unopposed and establishing supply lines that way. Their main goal of attacking the U.S. was oil. You could blockade any ports from the north and Russia is pretty much finished. No lend lease no oil for their tanks and planes. All you have to do is defend from that point on or attack if they saw any weaknesses. Pinpoint where the factories are and launch a Pearl Harbor type attack on it.

I would also note this all doesn't have to occur in 1941, this is all hypothetical timeline stuff. I'm merely pointing out that it is all very doable.

>>2112562
Why the fuck would they have a Neutral Zone. Makes sense in the Ocean or deep Space but that's where are the taxes and goods from those states going?

>>2112562
Fascism mostly spreads as a reaction (ex, Italy's lacking WWI pays, Germany's economic collapse, and Spain's Civil War) and we've went so long being unchallenged after WWII that the slightest mishaps will send us into fascism again.

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>>2113005
artillery wasn't being produced because there wasn't a demand for it, instead bombs and naval based weapons were being produced because that was in demand

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Im not part of any of this but I saw some anon saying that permafrost freezes a river, but permafrost is when soil (not water) is frozen for two or more years. It is icy and prevents water from draining and roots from penetrating. In the future just say that the rivers freeze over.

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>>2113101
They were prepping for an expected invasion for well over a year

>>2112562
within a few generations there would be violent revolutions, and the states that remained nazi loyal would undergo slow "liberalisation" and become basically the same as now. Years later teens would be surprised that their modern state was founded on genocide.

>>2112653
I find it hard to believe the japanese would be able to fight their way through to industrial russia from the East, having to travel like 3/4s of the country, when forces that bordered industrial russia were unable to take it over a considerably smaller distance in a much less alien environment.

Just going to point out the Japs were in Siberia from 1917-1922 so any arguments of Japan can not Russian winter are pretty unfounded.

>>2112606
>THE JAPS WOULD HAVE MARCHED THROUGH FUCKING SIBERIA SENPAI LMFAO LMFAO TRUST ME LMFAO


Okay anon, whatever you say

The very idea of Germany successfully maintaining an occupation of the entire European side of the USSR to genocide the entire population to make space for german colonists seems unlikely, even if the Soviet Union had been utterly destroyed militarily.

>>2113094
>they refer to themselves as Nazis
Did the makers of the show/book actually put any research into who they were portraying?

>>2113653
They were not going to genocide all of them, it was genocide the 'worst' races, enslave, sterilize, or force to breed with germans for the rest, well Germans ruled over it all and destroy the cultural identity of everyone there.

Honestly this is all going to be conjecture, but I doubt that a Nazi regime, even with a very beneficial outcome from ww2, would have lasted long. The economical success of Germany in the 30s would not have been able to continue post-war, especially considering the heavy loss of manpower, and thus economic output, that would have resulted from the war. That combined with a very insane and incompetent leadership would probably lead to a very unstable government and thus a very crippled country, God know what the succession crisis that would inevitably happen would do to stability. Eventually a rebellion would start, probably from the military in a Kiel-esque fashion, if not from the conquered populace in newly-gained territories (If any are retained). Also the Nazis never would have been able to invade The United States, unless they were somehow able to miraculously transform their navy mid-war, with resources they didn't have. As for the fascist dystopia aspect, it wouldn't be unconcievable that the Nazis would have continued concentration camps, but they would have definitely been unable to ethnically cleanse everywhere. A Stasi-like situation would have arisen if the DDR is any indication.

>>2113768
Also to chime in on the navy bit, and preempt this argument, if the Germans some how managed to take the British isles, Churchill would sink any ships he could not take with him to wherever the government in exile went, probably the United States or Canada.
There is no way the Germans could ever even in the best case scenario gain access to the British Navy.

>>2112562
What exactly was the end game of Nazis?

>>2113649
They didn't have to march though anything.
They could've just taken Vladivostok and defended Manchuria and the soviets would be obligated to march THEIR forces across Siberia to take it back.

>>2114027
Or the soviets ignore it and the Lend lease gets diverted to elsewhere or hell alot of that shit could have been airlifted from Alaska or Canada to the USSR completely going around the Japs hold on Siberia, only things that had to go by ship would be effected and most the lend lease was Food, Ammo, Weapons, Supplies, There were trucks and tanks too and that kind of stuff being cut off would hurt but food was the biggest thing the red army needed.

>>2112562
I really feel like Dick source for this book was mostly Hearts of Iron AAR made by /pol/

>>2113910
Free Europe from communism

>>2112562
Nah. Nazi Germany was way too inefficient to produce the kind of Dystopia that most Hollywood movies have. It would have [COLLAPSE]d on it's own, even without outside powers. Imagine a Zimbabwe, or a North Korea in Europe. Even with the Ukraine, etc. it wouldn't be long before they were asking the international community 'gib bread please.'

>>2113768
The concentration camps weren't meant for ethnic cleansing. That's ally propaganda.

>>2114162
Neither Zimbabwe or North Korea were economically flourishing to begin with. North Korea and Zimbabwe are in the state that their in today due to economic sanctions imposed by super powers.

>>2113101
>artillery wasn't being produced because there wasn't a demand for it
What is the China Theater?

>>2112562

Nazis would have gone through a reform phase and be on a multicultural path today

Time doesn't stand still

>>2114188
>Neither Zimbabwe or North Korea were economically flourishing to begin with
North Korea, at least had that kind of "Economic Flourishing" From 1945 to about 1960.
>North Korea and Zimbabwe are in the state that their in today due to economic sanctions imposed by super powers.
Sure. If you're going to basically claim that the United States is the soul producer of all wealth in the world, then yeah, Nazi Germany wouldn't have had just as shit of an economy.

>>2112606
No they would not have dumbshit>>2112653
>and the 1 million troops stationed and more were trained over from Siberia to the West as reinforcements during Barbarossa

God I hate /his/

>>2112704
Wew this has to be bait

>>2112653
FUCK OFF BACK TO POL AND DIE YOU IGNORANT TROGLODYTE IM LITERALLY SHAKING AT HOW UNINFORMED YOU ARE

>>2113034
>You realize Russia has huge rivers everywhere right?
Yeah, in West Russia.

>>2114245
>>2114269
>>2114278
Not an argument

Japan butt fucked Russia in the 1890s. They would have done it again.

>>2113645
>10,000 soldiers in Siberia
>4 million soldiers in Siberia

Ahhh yes very similar situations

>>2114027
>obligated

Yes just like they immediately marched back to retake Warsaw in 1920-1938?

>>2114288
You being a weaboo and an idiot is not up for argument.

>>2114298
>Japan butt fucked Russia in the 1890s.

/his/

>>2114300
>Obligated
kek. It's funny because this shit is how Japanese War Planning went sometimes.

>If we occupy Rabaul, the Americans HAVE to retake it sometime, right? :^)

>>2114298
>1890's

Wew

>>2113645
Are you intellectually dishonest or just a fucking mongoloid.

>>2113910
Perpetual war to sustain the state

>>2114298
When exactly did Japan "butt fuck" Russia in the 1890's?

>>2114340
>he fell for Ally propaganda

>>2114354
>being this historically illiterate

>>2112606
You do realize that Stalin killed over 700,000 jap troops in Manchuria between the two bombs - nearly killing more jap soldiers in less than a month than America did during its entire campaign? In addition to being a large part of the motivation for the Japs to finally surrender (well, finally, for the third time). Better to be occupied by Trueman than Stalin, to be sure.

>>2112728
>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis.
Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Weimar Republic, which the Nazi's just threw into the fire of a massive misguided war effort.

>>2112562
>trusting hollywood
No, hitler to my knowledge just wanted to conquer europe.

>>2112562

OP would still be a kissless virgin NEET living with his parents because passive aggressive BETA males will never be winners in any society or time period they happen to be born into

>>2114337
The Japs helped prop up the White Siberian State going as far as to repel attacks again Vladivostok, they were deployed there from 1917-1922 until they had to withdraw. They were there as part of the coalition originally but stayed on after the others left.
So what part of the Japs were in Siberia from those dates was intellectually dishonest?
I am not debating that the Japs would loose, the Japs did not have the resources or production capacity to beat the Russians, especially with American lend lease, but saying Hurdur Russian winter is stupid, hell the Germans probably could have beaten the Russians if they had planned for a longer campaign rather then just assuming the Russians would quit the war, and it would be over before winter.

>>2114369
The Japanese and Russians didn't fight at any significant level in the 1890's.

>>2114550
>So what part of the Japs were in Siberia from those dates was intellectually dishonest?

The fact you imply that 10,000 Japanese soldiers in 1920 Far East Russia is somehow proof that 4 million would be trained to handle Siberian warfare in 1940.

>>2114550
>I am not debating that the Japs would loose, the Japs did not have the resources or production capacity to beat the Russians, especially with American lend lease, but saying Hurdur Russian winter is stupid, hell the Germans probably could have beaten the Russians if they had planned for a longer campaign rather then just assuming the Russians would quit the war, and it would be over before winter.


No, because you, (and most people in this thread) are misunderstanding why attacking in the winter is hard. It's not the risk of freezing, or the snow; it's how the precipitation downs most aircraft, and how it really fucks with your logistics, bringing up more men and material through bad weather is tough as hell no matter how prepared you are for bad weather.

The Soviets, when they got the upper hand in the war in the east, advanced much slower in the winter than they did in the summer, and they were also pretty prepared for snow conditions. Bad weather always makes it harder to attack.

>>2112574
>An Axis victory would have been More hellish than the million commie rapes, amero-brainwashing of Western Europe and iron curtain.

Have any cites to back your opinion? Don't say "muh Slavic genocide" because the third Reich allied with certain Slavs (what are croats?) and almost certainly wouldn't have gone through with what was by all means a fantasy.

>>2114078
>airlifted from Alaska or Canada to the USSR

The stupid shit I see posted on /his/

>>2112728
>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis.
This is wrong.

>>2112653
>There's also the entire IJN that you're not taking into account which can attack pretty much wherever it wants deep into Russia via rivers and cause total chaos with logistics.
>commerce raiding down a river with a blue water navy
this is what weebs actually believe

>>2113034
>and that the Russian airforce was devastated by the Germans
Actually the Russian air force continued to grow in strength.

>>2113078
The Japanese fought Chinese peasants and poorly led, barely funded, backwards thinking British.
They attacked similarly poorly led and equipped Americans who were heavily outnumbered.
They then started fighting Allies who got their shit together and proceeded to lose basically every battle on land, air and sea from Midway onward.

The IJA was made of fanatics and die hards, but in the end all they did was die fanatically as soon as their opponents put their best foot forward. The only country that overall performed worse in ww2 that wasn't a tiny irrelevant player like Romania, was Italy.
Even France had a better showing, although while also holding the title of most disastrous fuck up in the war by a large margin.

>>2114823
But those are ships made out of glorious nippon steel, surely they will be up for the task.

>>2112562
>Strasser becomes fuhrer instead of Hitler.
>form a pact with Stalin.
>other facist nations get inspired and become a bit more socialistic
>Germany and Soviet teams up to free the world from liberal degeneracy and greed
>most of euroasia, the colonies in africa turns to fascism or socialism, Japan, Australia, Latin america and USA becomes isolated from Euroasia

Better question: could IJA have transported 4 million soldiers across 3/4 of USSR if there was absolutely no opposition? and how many of the 4 million would have survived the journey?

>>2114735
All their ideas were a fantasy. They clearly wanted to genocide the Jews and enslave and later exterminate millions of Poles, Ukrainians, Russians and other Slavs. Generalplan Ost was a real thing, you know?

>>2112728
>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis
Borrowing billions and paying people in IOU's isnt a miracle

>>2114895
It is when you never have to pay it back.

>>2114902
and then get completely btfo for not paying it back

>>2114908
And then if you live in the west get shitloads of aid anyways.

>>2114918
And then you let a bunch of refugees in and some people decide they need to drive a semi through a shopping mall.

>>2114902
But you do have to pay it back. And a lot of it was owed to germans, and most of the money was spent on the military

Literally the only thing you can do with this is start a war and steal the money to pay your loans, which is what they did, and we all know how that turned out

>>2112562
Russia and its minors become federalized nazi dictatorships
Britain and America marry eachother and ineffeciency hits the NWO 40 years later as europe collapses and balkanizes once again, but everything is whiter and america is more jewish

>>2114887
No.

99% would survive. Then they'd starve/freeze to death.

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>>2112728
>Germany achieved an economic miracle under the Nazis.

>>2112728
top kek
pic related

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>>2112728
>>2115012
wops, went full Nazi and fucked up for no good reason

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To be honest. I don't think it would be possible. I see US using Nuclear weapons and forcing The Third Reich to surrender. What I imagine is US being the next Mongol Empire. We would be the only country to have Nuclear weapons. Knowing that we are one of the last countries that hasn't reach the grasp of the Axis. US would do everything in her power to protect that secret. I could imagine Tricky Dick coming into power and starting a conquest that has never been seen before. It is really hard to imagine the Germans winning. If they did, it would probably only effect the eastern europe, Scandinavia and France.

>>2115300
>>>>>/tg/

The Kwantung army was quite capable albeit for being a largely infantry force. The main thing here is considering which forces are useful forces against not so useful forces. The vast majority of material and vehicle aid coming into the Soviet Union was through Canada/Alaska. All the Japanese would need to do is cut off this aid and with the German assault on the other side, the Soviet Union would almost have lost through attribution warfare. Even if the Soviet Union diverted most of their armored vehicles to attack the Japanese (which the Japanese would fare badly against), it would mean a speedy German victory and still unfavorable to the Soviets. Furthermore, the Japanese would have been able to maximize their navy too if they focused on cutting off this aid. The Kwantung army would have been able to fight the cold too considering most of them were trained for steppe/cold conditions as they were based in Manchuria (where it gets to -40 degrees Celsius).

But this is all worthless talk because a stipulation in the Axis agreement was that Axis nations had to inform each other if they were going to attack another country. Germany did not inform Japan and hence Japan was not prepared, as opposed to Japan informing Germany beforehand of Pearl Harbor and hence Germany declared war along with Japan.

>>2115648
75% of Lend Lease didn't even arrive until 1944, well after the Germans had gotten their teeth kicked in.
Japan could have wounded the Russians but I do not think anything they could have done would have honestly have had a shot at winning the war for Germany.

>>2112562
>What if the Nazis actually won WW2?
Poland would be annexed, liberated states from muscovite oppression formed in east europe, romania gets its land back from soviet union, british empire still has control over the world, vichy french empire still has control over world, Germany is finally allowed in the country club of nations.

>>2112699
How stupid the situation is is pointed out in the book as evidence that they're not living in real life.
For the record, we aren't RL in the book either, what really happens is Britain isn't nearly so fucked and the USSR collapses, we and them have a cold war that they win through being more racially pure.

>>2113676
Yes, this is an American company making busses for their Aryan overlords, they would have used Nazi.

>>2112562
It depends how/when the Nazis win WW2.

However, given the sheer magnitude of the forces ranged against Germany, Japan, Slovakia, Thailand, and (pre-1943) Italy, it would take God coming down from on high and ripping the arms and legs off of every man, woman and child in Britain, Africa, North America, South America, China, India, etc to even see that possibly happening. By that point, you're already outing yourself as such an insufferable wehraboo that the thought experiment is useless.

>>2115648
>But this is all worthless talk
You got that part right at least.

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>>2112562
Nope.

Victorious Axis = Nazi Gergers and Nips fighting small wars and resistance movements across the globe until they collapse.

>>2116781
^this. It would've been especially hard for the Japanese in Southeast Asia - I can't imagine them holding onto, say, the Philippines for more than a decade. America had enough trouble dealing with Vietnam in the 60's, imagine a dozen Vietnams happening all at once in the 50's. It'd be a fucking disaster

>>2116830
fascism got bonus supressing commies doe

>>2112704
>gets mad over discussion

I swear half of you are autists who just want to be "right" in this hypothetical situation

Sucks the Japs didnt do that tho

Like yeah you can have the power to change the world but if you missed that shot then its over it doesnt matter, amazing they had this force that made them surrender and sign a cuck treaty

>>2112865
>if the japanese

BUT THEY DIDNT SO HOW CAN YOU DISPROVE??? PROVE PROOF NEEDING EVIDENCE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE LOST

As some bysyander with little information on both sides the russian guy seems more reliable to me than

>Lol...ur autistic Japan stronk you cannot detest this put their army against anyone my blade folded a thousand times wins

>>2112562
No it would be way better than the world today because jew would not exist in a world where nazis won. The Nazis would remove the jewish infestation in America and then explain to the US public how they were manipulated by jews into thinking Nazis were evil racial supremacist out to get them(irony coming from jews), the Nazis would form a very civilized centralized german state that would be free of degeneracy crafted by jews and usher into the space age.

So a much better world.

I doubt a victorious Axis would be able to hold on to their respective empires for very long. The Nazi power structure in particular was pretty unstable and a civil war would have been inevitable.

>>2115648

Unless of course the Allies do something as breathtakingly rational as diverting those supplies to somewhere else, like Iran.

>>2116965
Is this before or after Berlin is glassed?

>>2112562
For there to be a world in which the Nazis won, it would have to be a different world from the world that the Nazis set off in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTf-0G9uB_o
It is important to talk in the roundabout accent of a resigned Mexican when discussing these things.

>>2116976
> Nazi power structure
> Unstable
The fuck? It was stable as fuck.

>>2115426
>co image
>ordering anon go to tg

>>2114735
The Manhattan Project, Oppenheimer Fermi 1945

>he thinks the US would have been unwilling

>>2112562
I'll make the assumption that you mean the Germans develop nukes, which is the only way any of the Axis powers would have a prayer of taking the Continental US. If they succeeded and made America a client state it wouldn't change very much. Seriously, read up on early 1900's America. Hitler got most of his ideas from the US. Lebensraum is no different than what the US did to native Americans. It was just harder since the US was fighting Bronze Age tribes. The Eugenics movement and forced sterilization were big in America. Also, half of Americans at the time and even today are of German descent in one way or another. So it wouldn't change from its 1930s state very much, but itd be different from today

>>2112562
>>2117825
Nukes would have been the only way. A land invasion would have been utterly impossible with the U.S and British navies being what they were.

>>2117848
>>2117825
Early nukes would've done the Germans very little gain for enormous amounts of effort and resources it would only have at the end stages of the war (which means every ally has a big head start even before you factor in Bohr and Fermi and crap).

Even so, how many nukes does this Nazi nuclear program produce per year? Uranium enrichment takes time: this is a factor impacting even modern countries, so you're talking about maybe 6-12 nukes a year, Hiroshima-tier nukes.

And then it's all fucked if the Americans or the British happen to, you know, shoot down one of the Amerika-bombers on the way there (which were never put into production and had numerous issues facing the engineers at its cancellation).

>>2117892
Exactly. The Germans had a lack of really any long range aircraft to even attempt such a thing, plus they would not be able to reach the American heartland where the majority of industry was. Not to mention the complete lack of manpower Germany Would've had to defend and occupy all of Europe, Africa, England and attempt an attack on North America. They only had 6.5 million soldiers at their peak, including Children and Elderly... so unless they subjugated the Soviets in 42' they would never have enough; men, petrol, aircraft, warships, raw materials, or logistical capacity to attempt such a thing.

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>>2117563
>The fuck? It was stable as fuck.
Congratulations on the 14th dumbest post in the thread.

>>2117892
I'm assuming a situation where they'd have a significant number and the allies aren't almost done developing theirs. Yeah it's unrealistic but it's the scenario in OP's pic and the only way the Nazis could get that result

>>2112856

Can you provide a source to support that claim?

>>2119027
Your gonna say it was more unstable than the majority of other places in the world?

>>2112653
>LMAO we'll send these battle ships up the fucking rivers while were being BTFOd by the US

How could you ever control a country like the US that's across the sea like this.

>>2115648
The first shipment didn't even arrive until after Stalingrad

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>>2112562
>Dystopia
Implying society is collapsing.

If the axis won pic related the world would be more stable economically.

>>2112711
Jew

>>2112724
Shut the fuck up

>>2116894
Nazis/Italians/Nips would NOT just face Commies.
>commie rebels.
>nationalist rebels.
>religious fundies.
>all these funded by USA and surviving western powers.

>>2112606
Japan's strength was in surprise coastal amphibious invasions.

Everytime Japan gets into a contracted land war, they lose.

This is true even in the invasions of Korea. Japan should have blockaded all of Russia's warm water ports and take the coastal cities. If they're lucky they could sabotage critical railway infrastructure.

The Kwantung Army would be used for an eventually push once Russia is starved out.

>>2119311
Yes, absolutely. The contemporary Chinese power structure was more stable for fuck's sake.

>>2120052
Don't forget your various breeds of anarchist and liberal.

>>2112562
Nazis and Japs would have turned their nations North Korea-tier and the Japs would have genocides the Aussies and New Zealanders. The US would probably never have fallen though. The terrain is too tough and it was far too fortified.

>>2113589
Why were their tanks so shit?

>>2117955
>Exactly. The Germans had a lack of really any long range aircraft to even attempt such a thing

Perhaps they have been better off developing a crude way of launching V2s from U-boats?

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>>2120650
Similar to pic related.

>>2119363
it's like you literally can't read

>>2120062
you should check your facts the Korean land invasion in the 1500s was much much more complicated than making such a sweeping assumption to try and back up your point

>>2116940
No arguments, ad hominem, hypocrisy all in one post, nice.

>>2115648
>>2115960
>>2119631

All this lend-lease talk is irrelevant, the U.S. wouldn't have been in the war because no Pearl Harbor. Everything in this scenario would have been different. It's extremely difficult to say what could and could not happen. Anyone who thinks they're sure of what could happen or that one side is guaranteed victory with so many different variables is fucking stupid.

>>2120650

Not him, but a V-2 couldn't carry a 1st gen nuclear warhead. Too heavy a payload.


>>2120701


You do realize that Lend-Lease started before the U.S. was in the war, right?

>>2113649
Couldn't they have went through China and Central Asia and then attacked the USSR near the Eastern front and then met up with the axis?

>>2121512
Central asia is not near the Eastern front.
Also no, stop being retarded ffs.

>>2121556
They could go from central Asia to the ME to the Levant to Anatolia to the Eastern front

>>2121564
They didn't even get as far as western China IRL.

>>2121570
If they focused on taking more countries in Asia and the ME instead of attacking the US and the Pacific they could have done it

In a realistic scenario where Germany won, England wouldn't get involved in the war to begin with allowing the German army to strike earlier at the soviet union during the confusion of the purges. Germany would, in this scenario, probably control France, poland, belgium and the netherlands, and large swathes of Russia before the ceasefire is negotiated.
Life would be pretty bad if you were a slav or jew. Not so bad if you were an ethnic German or part of their western territorial gains. I'd wager that for a Frenchman your daily life wouldn't change much. A few books banned, a bit tighter restriction and more Germans in your country. If you were a slav you'd be treated as a second class citizen and if you were Jewish you'd be deported.

In some far reaching, unrealistic "nazis control the whole world" scenario it would be pretty bad, how bad being determined by your ethnicity and ability to keep your head down and follow the orders of your new government.

>>2121571
They couldn't take China when they were focusing on only China.

>>2121571
Real life isn't Hearts of Iron
How are people this fucking dumb?

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>>2112562
>What if the Nazis actually won WW2?
I would be able to live a comfortable life in the Ortelburg and enjoy the German Masurian lakes.

>>2114354
Russo-Japanese war you fuken goomba

>>2122079
You mean the regional war that almost bankrupted Japan in 1905?

>>2119311
>nazi power structure was held up entirely by Hitler
>Hitler miraculously survives repeated assassination attempts

Seriously. If it weren't for Hitler tanking a fucking bomb somehow the Nazi's would be collapsed into infighting and the Wehrmacht officers likely would have quickly consolidated powers. The only thing keeping the Nazis around and in line was a crackpot two bit dictator playing General.

>>2122004
>forest coup d'etat lake
What.

>>2121571
With what resources? They had no fuel, that is why they attacked US. Would they walk all the way to Urals?

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>>2112562
>nazis winning the war meme
the americans would just nuke their cities until they were radioactive dust

>>2112606
itt: weab trash bait

>>2112562
Likely hood of nuclear war will be slightly higher then in our timelime.

Is this what you were thinking of? pic related.

>>2112922
I've read the book and it's utter garbage. PKD was a fucking schizophrenic retard living out shitty his drug induced paranoias and Lem is far superior to this hack.

Furthermore, the meme show adaptation where nazi America is some 50s suburban memetopia (why do the media villify the 50s so much? Really makes you ponder) with Hitler salutes is laughable.

>>2112606
There would be absolutely no incentive for the Japs to attack the USSR. None whatsoever.

>>2112562
It wouldn't be any different than now, maybe the general tech would be sightly different depending on what they focused on.

>>2126070
Lem is a pseudonym used by the FBI to disseminate commie propaganda to the American public.

Nazi Germany never could have invaded and conquered the United States thanks to something called the Atlantic Ocean. Nazi "victory" means achieving the war goals against the USSR and hegemony over the rest of Europe, which probably means a Cold War between Germany and America.

One of the dumbest things (and yes, that's saying something) that seems to repeatedly come up in these threads is how some dipshits seem to consider Japan as some kind of close cooperator, or even an extension or subject of Germany, which should have disregarded its own needs and just invaded Soviet Union alongside them.

Question: Considering their situation in 1941, what the FUCK does Japan gain from invading Soviet Union?

>>2127156
Honorabru combat.

>>2127156
ebin groBjapanium

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>>2127156
hot soviet liberation

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>>2112562
Then the world would have eventually become veganic.

>>2114205
But the flourishing of North Korea was solely because China and Russia did somewhat bigger trading. Nazieurope would have MUCH more ressources, agronomicly and otherwise than a rocky peninsular. Sure it must hold itself upright but at least it would be like a better poland not North Korea.

>>2112606
You mean the IJA that had already tried that in 36 and got their asses handed to them at Khalkin Gol?
The IJA that got fucking facerolled in Manchuria in 45? That IJA?

>>2127156
A bunch of snow and five goats

>>2127680
>implying russia had a goat in 1941

>>2127723
>implying we'd let trotskyist goats ruin our communist utopia