Why is history channel allowed to get away with this?

HOL UP

>>2092893

Because you can't object to it without appearing racist.

>>2092893
It's very probably that Hanbibal was black, by our modern definition. North Africa has had a substantial black population since antiquity, and even those we describe as brown would have had lots of black admixture.

There's much more reason to be upset about portrayals of Cleopatra that make her black.

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>>2092893
Nice try at stealing my thread, you even stole my picture
>>>/pol/102951859

>>2092942
Also North Africa was alot blacker before the dark, medieval, and renaissance ages where they raided the coasts of europe for white slaves.

>>2092942

Yeah, all those black people in the Levant that formed the upper crust of Carthaginian society.

>>2092970
what are you gonna do about it goy?

>>2092970
Does it matter?
/pol/ and /his/ are twin boards anyway

>>2092942
While North Africans weren't white, they certianly weren't black as well.

If anything, Hannibal was most likely brown

>>2092942
>>2093006
>The ancient Egyptians were black Africans. The Phoenicians (today's light-skinned Egyptians) are originally descendants of Lebanese traders from the Mesopotamia area.

Please do your research before posting you fucking ingrates

>>2093025
>The ancient Egyptians were black Africans.

A Y O
Y
O

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>>2092893
>History Channel
This is far from the most egregious thing they've done

>>2093049
Yeah, good point. That claim is completley bullshit as well but the point still stands the Pheonecians aren't fucking black

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The BBC had Alexander Siddig play him for a documentary.

It was pretty based.

>>2093120
Depends probably on the place in Egypt and the dynasty. The 25th Dynasty was a dynasty of Southern Nubians/Kushites that were probably black.

>>2092942
Wasn't Carthage a Phoenician colony though? Hannibal would have been Levantine.

>>2093191
Egypt isn't Phoenicia

>>2092970
Oh, my god - how embarrassing. Please provide your banking information so we can immediately transfer all profits from this thread to your account. You are definitely correct to demand proper credit for the astonishing level of insight required to notice that there was a black guy playing Hannibal, and furthermore deserve to be heaped with praise for caring so little that you would even bother to google search it (https://www.google.com/#q=was+hannibal+black). You fully own the rights to this particular iteration of shilling your acquired racism as some sort of wry attack on a perceived liberal conspiracy, and we will absolutely do our best to ensure that you get complete and full credit for your fine work. This is, after all, what an anonymous sino-croation entomology board is all about.

>>2092985
This as before the African slave trade, so wouldn't it be less black.

>>2092942
By all accounts he was levantine, for fuck sake they could had just put an arab or the jewiest jew available and it would have been perfect but noooo, the eternal kike NEEDED to put the BBC on screen

>>2092993
Hannibal Barca was born over 500 years after Carthage was founded. The initial Levantine settlers assimilated native North Africans in the construction of their empire. Later on, marriage bonds connected the Carthaginians to the rulers of coastal and Saharan Africa. One of Hannibal's sisters married a Numidian king from modern-day Algeria. Marriage ties with nomadic Libyan groups, including the ancestors of the Tuareg, were exceptionally common.

If anything, the elite of Carthage were much less "white" than the average urban citizen.

>>2093370
The locals they would have assimilated with were Berbers. They aren't sub saharan black either.

Hannibal wouldve been darker than white but he certainly wasn't a west African black man.

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Dude was negroid as fuck

>>2092893
Who the fuck cares they couldn't find any good actors at the time so they stuck with star power.

>>2093394
>historical revisionism is ok

>>2093006
Absolutely. He probably did not look too different from modern-day Libyans or Tunisians, given that most of his ancestry would have been North African rather than Phonecian.

>>2093203
>>2092993
>>2093320
Phonecian settlers were like the Normans in England. They brought their culture, but weren't numerous enough to substantially change the gene pool.

Are modern-day leaders of Brazil genetically representative of the initial wave of Portuguese settlers?

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1 Timothy 2:12New International Version (NIV)

12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

>>2093370
>assimilated native North Africans
nigga, they weren't negroids, they were berbers

>>2093390
>pointy nose
>thin lips

'no'

>>2092893
The same reason they get away with having Anglos portray Romans

>>2094017
That's like complaining that a black Somali portrayed Shaka Zulu vs complaining that Nigel Bottomswell from Leicestershire portrayed Shaka Zulu.

The former may be noticeably wrong, but the latter is just ridiculous.

>>2093766
t.nigger

getting tired of the we wuz presence on /his/

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da Numidians wuz black

>>2094098
>The former may be noticeably wrong, but the latter is just ridiculous.
why is the latter more ridiculous than the former? they're both being played by people who aren't from the same culture or even race

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>>2092942
Nope,first North Africans berbers aren't black, heck, the Touaregs are now more black than they were because they mixed with they slave caste, like the Morocans. Also Hannibal, like all the other anons pointed out, was an upper class from a Levantine origin, so a Syrian, Lebanse or even a Jew would suit it better. If you want to put a brown man, put I don't know, the guy than did the dorne Prince in Game of Thrones, even if he is East African or an Egyptian, but a west african is totally anti-historic.

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>>2092942
>>2092985


Nope
This is his father
Does he look black to you?

>>2094162
looks silver to me but i could be wrong

>>2092893
Who cares, it's a guy playing a character. When some white girl plays an originally asian character all the SJWs get upset and we laugh at them. As long as they don't misrepresent the actual historical facts, what does it matter?

>>2094170

kek

>>2094172
Because it will shape the historical view of people, specially the Idiots than are the Americans than can't even imagine than africa has anything but black people in it.

I'm upset that his helmet looks like painted plastic.

>>2093463
But Hannibal was from a Phoenician family, as was the ruling class of Carthage, not mixed with the native people

>>2092893
>هاني بعل
>اسود

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Such blackness.

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i don't see the problem, Julius was black too so why shouldn't hannibal living in actual africa be black too ?

>>2094550
bloody hell i can read this rune

should i convert to islam now

>>2092893
>tfw you'll never be a black actor who gets to portray historical figures who weren't actually black
>tfw you won't drink in /his/'s tears after doing so

>>2093151
Damn, I want to see this now. I love Siddig

>>2094612
I don't have a problem with a black person playing shakespeares Caesar because its fucking shakespeare.

>>2094632
I'm bothered by it. Same way I'd be bothered if a white person played Othello, or an Asian played MacBeth. It's just not what it's meant to be.

>>2094632
>believing the white lie that caesar was white
oi vey

>>2094643
People have taken so many liberties with shakespeare. Shakespear is played in theatres from New York to Tokyo and in all countries there is a different population of actors. Theaters are not big movie studios who can fly in talent from anywhere they want. They are dependent on the local talent. And if a black dude was able to put in the best performance, why not let him play?

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>>2092942
>Carthaginians are black

shirley you can't be serious

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>>2094649
You know, fair enough. I thought that was a movie poster, didn't look closer to see it was an actual theatre production.

as an aside, did you know there was a production of Dracula recently in Japan where Dracula was played by a chick? She's my theatre waifu now.

>>2094659
look pretty black to me honestly

>>2094666
That's pretty cool, does she bite chicks though?

>>2094694
Assuming the other roles were played by the genders the script intended, yes. I only know about this because she's married to Frank Wildhorn, whom writes some bitchin musicals

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literally their fault

>>2092893
Who gives a fuck? Joseph Gordon-Levitt doesn't look like Edward Snowden either

>>2093463
>unironically comparing antiquity with ancient World

Wew lad

In the rare case the ruling caste mixed with locals, he still would have looked levantine/arab and not a subsaharian hominid

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>>2094643
I'm just as bothered by people casting the darkiest of blacks to play Othello. I get it, you want to present it under the racism angle, make it more relevant for modern audiences. But still. He's a Moor, for fuck's sake. And probably inspired by Morrocan ambassadors to London.

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>>2092893
>>2092942
Black Hannibal doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that they were interviewing Jesse Jackson and a few other no name Black Rights agitators and trying to paint the Roman/Carthaginian wars as a struggle of Whites vs Blacks.

Why does everything in America get distorted by our fucked up race relations?

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>>2093390
>muh negroid elephant coins

>>2094763

To be fair, Shakespeare is equally guilty of doing this in his own "historical" plays. Go re-read Anthony and Cleopatra, and think about how they throw around beauty standards that are remarkably similar to Elizabethan England rather than Antiquity.

>>2094764
>Why does everything in America get distorted by our fucked up race relations?
Because that's just how America is. Racial issues are super-ingrained in our society.

it makes me ree when euros go around acting like they understand America's racial problems when they absolutely do not in the slightest

>>2094612
we need to revive the tradition of having boys play women because pederasty is at the core of western civilization.

Hypocrites posting ITT: you KNOW it is a political decision to have a black person impersonate Hannibal. This is the historical equivalent of affirmative action. Nobody actually thinks Hannibal was black, just like nobody thinks Lakeesha deserves to be in college.

>>2094294
His sister married a local Berber

It's highly unlikely that, over 500 years, none of his ancestors did the same

>>2094659
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. The QT in the middle is absolutely black.

Even the chick on the left probably wouldn't be allowed to sit at the front of the bus.

>>2094764
>Why does everything in America get distorted by our fucked up race relations?
This.

>>2094790
> Nobody actually thinks Hannibal was black
A quick Google search indicates otherwise.

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>>2094790
>google hannibal

Hannibal wasn't actually black but present day blacks need a role model other than 2pack. A little white(or black in this case) lie can do a lot of good.

>>2095023
>Even the chick on the left probably wouldn't be allowed to sit at the front of the bus.

You act as though all European views on race is regulated to the southern United States. What difference does it make if they wouldn't be able to ride on some bus in nowhere, Alabama? A contestable claim regardless, as carthaginians we're non-existent in the American South.

>who is sheriff david clarke
>who is Dr. Ben Carson

>>2092893
>Current year
>watching the history channel

>>2095483
my parents watch that pickers show and the moonshiner shit

If you don't think Hannibal was black just like the Egyptians and Jews you're clearly not educated on the subject. I can't wait until you racists and pseudo-intellectual shitheads get shut down.

>>2092893
H would have been dark sure but he wouldn't have had Sub-Saharan African features.

>>2095578
This.
>the Ark was taken to Arabia following the events depicted in the Second Book of Maccabees
>One Lemba clan, the Buba, which was supposed to have brought the Ark to Africa, have a genetic signature called the Cohen Modal Haplotype. This suggests a male Semitic link to the Levant. Lemba tradition maintains that the Ark spent some time in Sena in Yemen. Later, it was taken across the sea to East Africa and may have been taken inland at the time of the Great Zimbabwe civilization.
Blacks are the only true Jews.

>>2092893
In that very same series Attila is played by a Romanian actor. Nobody bats an eyelid.

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>>2092893
We ROMUNZ now!

>>2093390
Nigga looks Irish if anything.

>>2093466
Shhh anon, if you start preaching whats actually in the bible people wont come to your church!

>>2094170
Ba-dum-Tiss!

>>2095843
Yes, and?

>>2094686
>>2095023
come say that in tunisia you fucking die prick

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>This thread
USA was a mistake

>>2094017
If you had said finns ok, but anglos? The likes of Hinds and Purefoy would pass as locals everywhere in Italy.

>I am NOT a racist!
>Hannibal wasn't black!
>He was Brown!

>>2092893
He wasn't European
>>2092942
No point. People don't know genetics or north African prehistory
>>2094156
This is false, we have genetics and old accounts stating the contrary
>>2093386
This is simplistic and quite stupid

>>2094764
Wait..this actually happened?!?

>>2096603
Are you honestly surprised to hear of Jesse fucking Jackson talk bullshit? That man literally makes a living by agitating niggers with a level of bullshit that would make a stormfag blush in embarrasment.

>>2093370
mudsharks of antiquity you say?

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>>2096630

>>2095023
>QT
kys

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>>2093370
>The initial Levantine settlers assimilated native North Africans
AKA pic related. Hannibal was probably paler than the average levantine.

>>2096653
those genes are mostly from the vandals who came later

>>2096640
>>>/lgbt/

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>>2096674
>generations of levantines migrating to Carthage and the whole damn coast had no influences on the gene pool
>a roving band of barbarians contaminated it beyond repair even after centuries from their destruction
Anon pls, you're ridiculous.
Let's not even talk about how the imazighen have been and are still mostly found in their traditional inland villages in the algerian highlands, where they lived mostly isolated and safe from the coastal powers to whom they barely paid lip service.

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>>2096724
Blondie is linked squarely on Eurasian farmers. It's not native to North Africa, North Africans were literally these people.

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>>2096984
>Blondie is linked squarely on Eurasian farmers.
Top fucking kek, there's a few different origins of blondism you know. Not to mention that child blondism doesn't actually require blond hair genes.

>>2096984
must be the period before civilisation, thank good eurasians came

>>2097077
Blondism is linked to two mutations that effect hair color. The Neolithic Eurasian gene and the Oceanic gene.

There are variants of albinism that can create blond hair without say white skin and red eyes such as found occasionally in Africans and Papuans but we do know that ultimately the genes for blondism found in northern Africa to northern India come from a Neolithic expansion.
>>2097138
Actually pretty false. We know this because of genetic work done on upper class garamante remains pinpointing to markers that are African. We also have genetic information of Tunisian Berbers showing a unique L marker that's 20k years old from East Africa with much later L markers from West Africa.

Beyond that V-88 is an ancient marker misconstrued as a relatively late Eurasian intergression when it's variants is much older and found in African populations in what was once the Neolithic subpluvial.

Our understanding of genetic and archeological data shows a clear link between these populations and Nabta Playa which lays between nubia and eygpt in the western depression. This site is the foundation of the predynastic era and Egyptian civilization on the whole.

>>2093463
>he probably did not look too different from modern-day Libyans or Tunisians
Facial structure wise?

Because its a historic fact Phoenicians were lighter than Egyptians

>>2092893
>produces an ancient aliens show
>casting some black guy for a Carthaginian that the average person knows little about who was of uncertain skin color is the bigger historical upset

wew

>>2097497
Really made me think

>>2097497
Don't forget the other conspiracy shit they push. Why anybody still gets flustered over the history channel I don't know, it's like willfully going to McDonald's and complaining the food is crap.

>>2100861
Fuck off.

>>2101357
nigger

>>2093004
No. No they aren't. /pol/ is for pizzagate. /nes/ is for current news. /his/ is for...well you get the idea.

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>>2094098
How is that ridiculous, because you don't feel that somali vs zulu is not as distinct as black vs Mediterranean descent settled in North Africa? I'm confused.

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>>2092942
Dude's whiter than Hitler

On the other hand. He's just an actor.

>>2092942
I'd agree with this. Hannibal wasn't black in the sense we think of it today, but he was probably close enough that I'm not going to get butthurt about it. Black portrayals of Cleopatra are the real nonsensical bullshit
>>2094764
Yeah this is something I've noticed about America, people just can't stop arguing about race. And neither side is willing to let it go because they know that if they do the other will just run wild with it.

>>2093151
Doran martell was a bamf.
fuck you D&D

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>>2094162
>shekel

>>2095843
liamcunningham/10

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>>2094643
>Asian played MacBeth

That kinda exists, and it even works
Based Kurosawa

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>>2104003
>tfw got to watch this movie for my English class

>>2101598
>skin color is determined by bone structure

ok cletus

>>2095111
European views on race came from the Americas. The first people to seriously discuss the whiteness of Southern Europeans were immigration officers in the US.

Before the later 19th century, a Brit would have found more common ground with an Italian than with a white Icelander.

>>2096674
Nope, neolithic migration thousands of years ago

>>2096637

>The civilization that built and spread culture and values were more concerned with duty, wisedom and dignity instead of micro-controlling the privacy and desires of people and also weren't ashamed and immaturely terrified by their own humanity

makes sense to me.

>>2092893
Man, it must suck to be North African.

Every time white people make anything about their history they credit it all to Sub-saharan Africans.

>>2104214
Literally all the sources quoted condemn such "privacy and desires" but I guess you're going to ignore them and pretend everyone was a multicultural activist back then.

>>2094773

This is why Americans are retards, btw.

>>2104363

are you really going to act like gay relationships and romance were forbidden when several emperors were?

>>2104374
Homosexuality ≠ mixed race sex & spawn.

>>2095846
The Bible is not the Q*ran. Only Pr*testant heretics believe in the sola scriptura.

>>2104389

Carcalla was an eastern man.

Trajan was Iberian.

you only think in terms of white and black, when the world was far smaller then.

>>2104395
I'm referring to sexual relationships between Romans and Ethiopians, per quotes.

>>2095023
She isn't black. You're probably an Ameriretard and your "blacks" are literally mulattoes so you have no idea what the actual blacks look like.

>>2104395
I mean "blackmoors" as the Romans called them, not Ethiopians. Two different people.

>>2093260
Well meme stealing is one of the worst atrocity a man can commit tbqh.

>>2104363
yeah they're all condeming women cheating on their husbands or the lustful ways of a ruler, not interracial marriage or child birth. also i'm sure some of those quotes aren't condemning, just stating the fact that someone was black. perhaps if we read the original sources in context and without a preformed conclusion our opinions would change, but that wouldn't make for a very good image would it?

>>2094763
Didn't Christopher Walken and Raul Julia do Othello, too?

>>2104107
>different races dont have varying degrees of prognathism, width of nasal apparatus/spine, and other morphology to determine race

faggot

>>2104532
Actually they condemned "hideous mulatto hybrids" and laugh at the prospect of having a moor/Ethiopic child. If an olive skinned mediterranean gave birth to a blond overman he'd probably be joyous.

>>2104532
Then why bring up their black skin wooly hair?

>>2104638
>happy to have barbarian children
kek you don't know much
back then anglos where viewed like niggers.

>>2095023

why are Americans so binary with race?

-Every videogame character that is brown they assume is black.
-Obama is as white as he is black, he has a white mother, but he is seen as a black man.
-Anthropologists go to Domican Republic or Brazil are get offended when mixed race people with black ancestry dont identify as black.

A few years ago I watched a show in which they referred to the Flashdance girl as black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzALZjoIx0g

>>2092942
You're retarded, but not a cute retard, the bad type.

>>2094686
>americans

>>2105403
it's because we're too used to seeing

- mexicans
- niggers with partial white ancestry (there are a lot of them desu fucking southerners stixking their dicks in slaves)
- full niggers

>>2095054
>American education everyone

>>2096637
the first seems to suggest a good deal of social discomfort of racemixing.

secondly, as if that biblical verse means darkness as in the fucking skin color, good grief

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>>2094659
Modern day north africans and arabs are impure offspring with european invaders. Original north africans and arabs were black. Here is proof

>>2092893
Who gives a shit? Why are you even watching history channel?

>>2092942
Hannibal was berber tho

>>2095578
>>2095613
t. Samenigger

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>>2092893
If you have problems with Hannibal looking non-european, then I have some bad news if you think the Romans of Latium looked anything like the Germanic/Scandinavian portraits hollywood has given the Romans.

>>2108239
The problem isn't that the actor looks non-european, the problem is that he is literally a nigger.

>>2108239
>looking non-Nordic means you don't look European.

Unless you an uneducated nigger who's only experience with Whites is Hollywood movies you'd realize how diverse in appearance the European race actually is.

>>2094764
Funny, Freud thought "we wuz phoenicians n sheeit" and viewed Hannibal as some kind of Jew hero fighting the Romans. What is about carthage that makes every undesirable so happy? Maybe the child sacrifice? I'm happy we salted them.

>>2106062
>Your post makes me mad but I can't verbalize why

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>>2107866
This girl is also a Libyan Berber. Don't fall for /int/ memes, only a small minority of Berbers can pass for European.

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>>2108239
>He puts an Egyptian portrait to represent Romans and Greeks.
Also of course they didn't look like Skandi-niggers or even Brits (tought welsh and Irish could do well), but from that to put literally niggers is a very big and stupid step than Holliwood and English media is pushing too hard. I'm fucking sick of west africans as legionaries, Part of the Arthurian myths or vikings. Anglos have a very weird obsesion with them and put western africans to anything.
>>2108297
If you knew any North African history you would know how North Africans had a very extensive slave trade with the south western Africa. The tuaregs have still them as a distinct part of they culture, the ikelan, than was a slave/serf caste mostly composed of WA.

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>>2108325
Mediterraneans are closer to Romans and Greeks than ''Europeans'' (northern) are

>>2104634
Learn to read dude. He said skin color not race.

>>2108297
Tuaregs are More Sub Saharan than the rest of the Amazigh
The average Nafusi, Riffan, Kabyle amazigh looks the same as Maghrebi arab

>>2108389
In ancient times yeah, culturally it was a more close thing, from the columns of Hercules to Siria it was a shared culture, morals etc. Muslims severed that. Genes tough is a different thing, R1 Eurasians, what makes the bulk of European meds, is rare in North Africa, than are they own thing. The Skandis contributed more or less the same (or more) than North Africa, if you want to search haplogroups (I know they aren't perfect, but it's the best thing we have to study big population migrations).

>>2108432
kabyles are white actually and tuaregs don't considers themselves black

>>2108475
Why should they, they don't follow NA idea of race,to them they only fucked too many of the Ikeles serfs. Even the Fulbe don't consider themselves black.

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I couldn't care less what race Hannibal was. What I want to know is did the Carthaginians have slaves? They used galleys, so I'm almost certain they did. Yet the WE WUZ documentary said the Carthaginians were a black society without slavery fighting against whites who wanted to enslave them . Not even kidding. Thank you American legacy, you poison everything you touch.

>>2108527
>the WE WUZ documentary said the Carthaginians were a black society without slavery fighting against whites who wanted to enslave them .
Wow, first time that "we wuz" movement triggers me
t.tunisian

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>>2107129
Sure thing Ja'Markus

>>2108475
>and tuaregs don't considers themselves black

ah, so if Obama says he's not black at all that settles it then

>>2093151

perhaps his best on screen portrayal

>>2096674

it's possible in the case of this particular female, but this means absolutely nothing unless you substantiate your position.

>>2104965

The Anglos didn't even exist as a distinct culture before the year 0.

There was lots of mixing with the Gauls.

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Are manga artists more reliable than the History Channel when it comes to historical accurate portrayals?

>>2093394
>star power
I've never seen that nigger before in my life

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>>2109413
No

>>2109413
Dudes who made Cesare and Vinland Saga at least put some efforts into it.

>>2109208
But tuaregs really aren't black

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>>2109413
Sometimes. Other times, not so much.

>>2094612

that version of Julius Caesar the RSC did which was reimagined in a small African country with an all-black cast doing thick Nigerian accents was good

>>2096674
>small population of Levantines migrate to North Africa
>fully genetically assimilated within 500 years to where they become indistinguishable from native inhabitants
Now
>small population of Germanics migrate to North Africa
>genetically assimilate to the point where the natives are now indistinguishable from the Germanic inhabitants

So which is it?

>>2109208
Obama is as black as he is white. Heck, he is more white in the sense than he was raised be her white mother and white grand-parents, before her mother married an indo.

>>2109413
>Both are the wrong skin tone
>Only one of them is actually aware that hannibal lost an eye

Confirmed that Nips know more about the ancient med than americans.

>>2105403

oh, she's black?

I thought she was Italian