Name a more brutal war culture.

>>2002265
Aztec?

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>>2002269
yeah

>>2002201
Prussia

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>>2002265
(Neo?) Assyrians flaying their victims alive.

>>2002295
Why Prussia

>>2002282
Unashamedly from Wikipedia:

The carvings show that the actual flaying process might begin at various places on the body, such as at the crus (lower leg), the thighs, or the buttocks.

In their royal edicts, the Neo-Assyrian kings seem to gloat over the terrible fate they imposed upon their captives, and that flaying seems, in particular, to be the fate meted out to rebel leaders. Jung provides some examples of this triumphant rhetoric, here are some from Ashurnasirpal II:

I have made a pillar facing the city gate, and have flayed all the rebel leaders; I have clad the pillar in the flayed skins. I let the leaders of the conquered cities be flayed, and clad the city walls with their skins. The captives I have killed by the sword and flung on the dung heap, the little boys and girls were burnt.

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>>2002318

>>2002354
Holy shit.

>>2002354
Aztecs were fucking metal. Jesus christ

>>2002354
Atrocity propaganda invented by the Spanish after the fact to justify their genocide of the Aztec culture and people.

>>2002439
>genocide of Aztec people
They actually ennobled Aztec upper class into the Spanish aristocracy. As for the commoners, they didn't really genocide them, they fucked them.

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>>2002366
Surprisingly enough, they had some really good poetry:

Where are you going? Where are you going?
To war, to the sacred water.
There our mother, Flying Obsidian,
dyes men, on the battlefield.

The dust rises
on the pool of flame,
the heart of the god of sun is wounded.

Oh Mactlacueye, oh Macuil Malinalli!
War is like a flower.
You are going to hold it in your hands.

Heart, have no fright.
There on the battlefield
I cannot wait to die
by the blade of sharp obsidian.
Our hearts want nothing but a war death.
You who are in the struggle:
I am anxious for a death
from sharp obsidian.
Our hearts want nothing but a war death.

Sacred crazy flowers,
flowers of bonfires,
our only ornament,
war flowers.

>>2002439
>Holocaust propaganda invented by the Jews after the fact to justify their genocide of the German culture and people.

Pretty much how you sound.

>>2002354
>"Alright, listen Mr. Pope, these people are kinda burtal, we need to go all 4th Crusade on their asses and "convert" them for their own good, look at all these terrible things they do! btw, Alvar misbehaved, break him at the wheel, take pieces of his flesh out with hot red iron, cut his ears, nose, and hands out and then burn him alive."

>>2002467
Alvar was a cunt though.

>>2002454
well yeah germany is getting drowned in rapefugees brought in by leftist (jewish) politics, there will be no more german culture or german people in 30 years

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>>2002201
The funny thing about Aztecs and Assyrians is that they had wars in which literally they fought everyone in the region they were being assholes in.

Like the list of Assyrian/Aztec Battles are always them vs. a bunch of allied forces.

>>2002834
The Germans of their time.

>>2002354
>mfw 11th grade years ago spanish teacher who is white complains about female virigin sacrifices in old mexico.
>mfw she doesn't know what the flower wars are
>mfw when she says they were savages compared to old world cultures(not to mention african, middle eastern, and european cultures)
>mfw she doesn't know that children and female sacrifices were dying out around the 1400's in leiu of slaves


Aztec culture is gross and they killed a lot of people for their religion however they were not savages who killed their own children and women for their gods on a whim. It was old tradition and the "parent's consent" is them being dead, orphans were sacrificed.

>>2002452
agreed

>>2002454
nice strawman idiot.
the romans also made up that the carthaginians sacraficed kids, am i a holocaust denier now?

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>>2003194
> the romans also made up that the carthaginians sacraficed kids
They actually did it, archeologist dug up a huge cemeteries with burnt infant bones in Carthage and other Punic sites.

China got pretty brutal at points.

Captured armies were frequently buried alive. Histories record 100,000+ buried alive in some battles, probably apocryphal but 10,000+ is believable.

During the Tuoba conquest of Northern China they depopulated entire regions, again you wonder how much the accounts can be believed but,

"They would cast babies into the air, catching them on spears, and then twisting and spinning the spears to make the cries louder"

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War culture? North Caucasians. Especially the Nort-East-Caucasians.

>>2003208
And the source was a fucking Bible website,,,

>>2002354
The Aztects did so to appease their gods, though. The Assyrian did it to sate their own lust and to strike fear into their subjects.

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>>2003208
What civilization does that soldier pepe belong to, fellow /his/torian?

>>2003249
I'd say that's an Iberian mercenary in Hannibal's army. He's holding falcata and the dead one is wearing Italian-style rectangular plate of armor.

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>>2003268
Ah. Thankyou for clearing that up, fellow /his/torian.

How was your Thanksgiving by the way?

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>>2003283
The only thing close to Thanksgiving we have here is Black Friday sales.

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>>2003289
That's a shame really. Where are you from, exactly?

>>2002418
Metal is melodramatic music that teenage girls listen to when they get dumped. Is that really the word you want to use for hardcore?

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>>2003292
The Evil Empire.

>>2003294
>>>/mu/

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>>2003302
But that's me.

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>>2003311
The other one.

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>>2003322
So, you're Russian? Interesting. I wonder why you have good English skills.

>>2002354
>extraction of the heart
>extraction of the heart
>extraction of the heart
>extraction of the heart
>extraction of the heart
why is this such a repeating theme?

>>2003338
I guess it had religious significance.
You can feel the thing through your chest and it throbbing faster if you are in love or fear, also its a vital organ, so it must be the most important and noble thing to sacrifiece!

>>2002840
Indeed.

>>2003240
And now they are accusing Christians for burying fake bones?

>>2003451
And now the Christians are claiming the devil buried fake dinosaur bones?

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>>2002201

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>>2002201
United States of America

>>2002354

No wonder the Spanish btfo them

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>>2003322
Keep guessing, m8.

>>2004500
>I will never be British

Kill me

>>2004515
Why in the world would you want to be British

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>>2002445
this

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>>2004515
our history is the only thing to be proud of now, friend, that and Nige

>>2002354
>Muh xuatletlixcuautexuatlecuacan
Aztec truly were a shit tier "civilisation", Mayans and Incans are where it's at

>>2004515
This
"Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life.", No, not you ;_;

>>2002805
Wow what an original opinion

>>2002265
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

>>2003247
>The Aztects did so to appease their gods, though. The Assyrian did it to sate their own lust and to strike fear into their subjects.


One does it to appease false gods and the other does it to prevent rebellion and further bloodshed.

Why are you on the Aztecs side?

>>2005280
>Both the Aztecs and the Assyrian did it to sate their own lust and to strike fear into their subjects and vassals.

Aztecs were indeed the few and just the elite, an invader one btw.

>>2002452
That was pretty damn awesome.

>>2003210
Wow, had no idea, thank you. >>2003247

>>2003247
OP here, and yeah, this. The Aztecs were sav af but it seems like most of what they did was due to social pressure from religion. The Assyrians did it just to do it, to conquer and strike fear and just be ass holes about it.

>>2003884
War culture, sure, but more brutal than Assyrians? I dunno man.

>>2003311
Triple dubs, must be true

>>2002265
Assyrians vs Aztecs would be awesome

>>2003210
Don't forget the Dzungar Genocide

>>2005910
That would be awesome haha

>>2005910

Aztecs would get annihilated, due to the inferiority of their obsidian weapons against Assyrian Iron weaponry and Chariots.

>>2006163
Not sure if Aztec cities were walled, but siege engines too.

>>2006163
Hell, even earlier with bronze weaponry.

>>2002201
Mongols

>>2006191
I was waiting for someone to say this. They are the only people I can think of even close.

>>2006200
>>2006191

Huns?

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>>2002295
Pfffftttt

>>2006222
I don't know anything about the huns.

>>2003451
>Child cemetery
>Y so many children buried here.
>Ah
>They sacrifice.
>This is totally not because of high mortality rates among Children due to illnesses or whatnot

>>2006239
It's cool, neither does anyone else.

>>2006235
Lasalle died too soon.

>>2006253
>>2006253
From what I read (not a Christian website) is there were marking of cutting on the bones as well as charring.

>>2003311
>>2003322
Triple dubs followed by triple dubs

The Minoans did human sacrifices as well but they weren't a war culture.
The Huns and Mongols were brutal, not as barbaric as
>>2002354
though.

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>>2002354
>tfw your ancestors were absolute madmen
How do I awaken my inner savage?

>>2006344
Drug trade I guess.

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>>2002354
Good heavens, just look at the time.

>>2006339

>The Minoans did human sacrifices as well but they weren't a war culture.

I believe we don't have enough evidence to conclude that they actually did it.

>>2006344
Move to Detroit

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>>2006163
it would be an interesting fight though

>>2002201
Japan when it began to aggressively expand.

>>2006396
Under Hideyoshi or under Hirohito?

>>2005210
not an argument

>>2006429
I was thinking Hirohito, but I'm no expert on Japanese history and don't really know anything about Hideyoshi.

>>2002354

Them having 16 months seems like icing on the sacrificial cake

>>2003032
t. Montezuma

>>2002805
Merkel is center-right you dumb mong
>final destruction of Germany
>bad

>>2002201
Tribal warfare seems pretty brutal by definition. It seems as if a civilization has as a basic trait that it introduces more stability. Is that correct?

>>2003194
Kleitarchos (3rd century BC) mentioned they did
Plato / Psuedo-Plato mentions they did it in his Minos.

There goes that excuse, faggo.

>>2006553
Pretty sure the Assyrians weren't exactly tribal. Neither were the Aztecs, really.

You are correct that tribal warfare tends to be very brutal though.

>>2002295
Prussia was just militaristic, it wasn't hardcore brutal.

>>2006344
You must eat raw a still-bumping heart

>>2002201
The Caroleans were fucking brutal.

>>2006737
No that's what I am saying, that the Assyrians and the Aztecs weren't the most brutal war culture because they were civilizations, not tribes.

>>2002201

Truly the worst in the Ancient Near East

>>2003208
Infant mortality was high in ancient world, those were probably just dead infants buried together.

>>2003208
>rome sacks carthage
>burns the whole city down
>surprised there are burnt infants

>>2006082
quality post

>>2007938
Burned and buried nearby remains of sacrificial animals?
>>2008030
They dated it before the sack.

I don't get why people try to deny it - we have several independent sources, we have archeological proof, it's not something unknown in history of mankind. It's not like they did it in a numbers enough to have any impact on demographics, 25-50 children a year is no a big deal for a huge city Carthage was.

>>2006878
They were not maoris. Hearts were for the gods and what they usually ate was the right thigh of the sacrificed warrior.

>>2006396
Unit 731 would definitely top >>2002354, but not sure if it counts as a war culture

The mapuche! :D

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>>2006988
How come?

>>2002354
This is straight-up nightmare fuel, the fact that some of their descendants still live out there in the world frightens me.

>>2002439
>he thinks the ancestors of modern mexican cartels were any less brutal
jej

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>>2009574
>>2009590
guys plz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731#Activities

>>2002834
>>2002840
Mesopotamia and Germany are both considered the lands of invasion.

This is because they are both middle of something.

Germany: middle of Europe.
Mesopotamia: middle of the middle east.

>>2006544
>implying that merkel is true to her party policies.

>>2009614
Interesting. Source?

>>2009614
truly intriguing, any zelda? Soure?

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I find the Assyrians amazing, their lust for war and conquest was above any other culture up to that point, the first civilization to go all "just ONE more province/vassal and I'll stop", the fact that they mass produced iron weapons and armor for their soldiers, the development of siege engines. A culture of war, and not just for show like the Spartans, but to truly wage war every year.

>>2002439
t. Cuahtemoc

>>2006339
Most civilizations of europe performed human sacrifice at one point.

Celts used to burn people alive. The italic speakers drowned people in rivers, etc.

>>2011011
Hell yeah. These guys were bad ass.

>>2002354

And we let these people into our country..

>>2011248
"Mexico" started to exist after the Aztecs were overthrown by the Spanish and many Mesoamericans. That being said, >>>/pol/

I wonder if Gilgamesh ever actually had jus primae noctis.

>>2011273

Well no shit, their descendants are still around.

>>2011281
so are the descendants of these guys >>2009604
and yet they are doing fine

>>2006396
This definitely. East Asians are fucking crazy and insanely sadistic. China today has a more brutal culture than many actual conflicts.

>>2006344

by going back

>>2003194
>made up
Top retard

>>2002354
literally globalist elite's wet dream of a society

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>>2009604

>>2002467
fuck alver

>>2006429
Under Hideyoshi it was more sad than savage.

>>2002201
>Name a more brutal war culture.

Modern day mexicans.

>>2009614
This is why I didn't like playing Mesopotamians in Chariots of War. All the empires form in the edges of the map in Anatolia, Egypt, Caucasus and Persian steppe and converge in Mesopotamia due to seas directing them there. End game is nothing but never ending slaughter from all sides.

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Is ISIS punishment for their ancestors sins?

>>2012285
You mean cartels? I might be able to get on board with that, but I dunno about the broadness of Mexican.

>>2012293
Video game or board game?

>>2014454
Maybe from a religious viewpoint. From a secular one, though, no, I don't think so.

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>>2014481
Think about it tho. A brutal warculture of the past that routinely impaled whole cities is now subject to genocide and at the mercy of charity.
Its like pottery or something.

That is, of course, assuming modern day Syriacs really are descendants of Assyrians rather than jut wewuzing an identity to separate themselves from Muslims

>>2014512
Pretty sure some of today's Northern Iraqis are descendants of Assyrians and still identify as Assyrian. I mean, I see what you're saying, I just don't know that punishment is the best word because it implies intent. Love the way you stated that, though.

>>2003247
Every "religious" cause has something practical behind it.

>>2014701
Right, but there seems to be more custom thus social pressure to perform Aztec sacrifices than the pure brutality of Assyrian warfare.

>>2002354
Based Spaniards curbstomping those savage animals.

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>>2002201

>>2002445
Nope, tenochtitlan at the end of the conquista had a population of 0, you're referring to the peoples subjugated by the aztecs like the tlaxanecas and others

>>2003032

>they're not savages
>they just ripped out OTHER peoples hearts
>this is proof of how not savage they were

>>2006253

If this were the case there would be child cemeteries all over the ancient and medieval world, but there isn't.

>>2006253
Except they found evidence that those kids were sacrificed.

>>2016623
....there are. The Roman world did.

Medieval cunts were dogs who just threw dead in a communal pit.

>>2016644
There arent any seperate child graveyards. They found those child bodies next to alters with stab wounds

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>>2006988
>>2009538
They weren't. They were just extremely disciplined and fearless.

>>2014470
I do mean cartels, I said mexicans in general for the joke.
Most actual mexicans are too simple to be cruel, they are jolly silly goofs.
You need some sophistication to pour gasoline into someone's throat and set it on fire.

>>2016644

<citation needed> on both counts

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>>2002201
>Name a more brutal war culture.

I don't know about "war culture" but you kurds are the most beastlike and savage culture in human history without a doubt.

Go fuck yourself kurdshit.

>>2016908
>Majority of american men in the USA victims of genital mutilation, study shows.

You don't see that in the news.

>>2006430
>being this butthurt

>>2016908
Who the fuck are you calling a Kurd?

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Aztecs are pretty much otherwordly culture in most aspects.
Imagine them reaching the iron and gunpowder ages, progressing to late medieval society and beyond. Christ. Encounter of Europeans and South Americans developed to that degree would be far more interesting, but howit happened was already amazing.

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>>2002454
pretty much the truth

>>2002354
Well, it's decapitation month boys. Go out and get some kiddies.

>>2002354
Heyy i remember making that one a few months ago from a wikipedia article in an Aztec religion thread

>>2019798
I don't have the source right now, but Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano said that they were offered by their parents and generally of noble descent.
An archaeologist of the Templo Mayor found that many of the sacrificed children were ill, but it sounds like an attempt to justify the ritual. Nevertheless there hasn't been found as many as they expected (barely 48 in the Main Temple of Tenochtitlan) according to the Spanish chronicles, which say that 20 000 children were sacrificed annually in the city.

>>2019732

The Aztecs (all mesoamericans really) had a uniquely bloody religion that necessitated continual low-intensity warfare, but the Assyrians ruled their subjects thru state acts of terror that could surpass anything the Aztecs did, and that were done simply for the sake of inspiring horror and terror, not out of some misguided religious doctrine.

>>2002354
I actually have no problem with human sacrifice. Sacrifice is a debt we owe to the Gods, for the sacrifice they gave to us anyway.

>>2014512

Syrians don't claim Assyrian descent, the Assyrians still exist but they abandoned Asshur for Christ long ago and have no fight left in them.

>>2006386
>>2006339

There is all of one site that >implies ritual murder, it could just as well be a serial killer tho, and it dates from after the Minoan period.